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Miissttterrr Prime... One energon cube to rule them all... Remember Remember Megatron's voice?!?!

Where's La Boeuf? by BannedOnTheRun	Mar 24th, 2007 01:59:23 AM
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Well, if we can't have Welker... by Dolph	Mar 24th, 2007 02:00:40 AM
...then this isn't so bad. I must admit, my initial animosity towards the project is cooling somewhat.
DARN YOU, INTERNETS! by MCHAMMERTIME by Acne Scarface	Mar 24th, 2007 02:05:32 AM
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Michael Bay Fucking Lost!!! by Doc_Strange	Mar 24th, 2007 02:09:22 AM
Weaving's cool and all but this movie's doomed to fail miserably. One has to ask is there even any direction anymore? Was there any to begin with? Seems like they're arbitrarily coming up with anyone who has a free schedule to be in this pile. Guess they offered Weaving a big paycheck. Yep, Weaving gotta eat!!
Jesus gotts the skillz by PBoy	Mar 24th, 2007 02:14:06 AM
Dude, I traded this really nice guy at a Dead concert a few years back some hand made bead jewelery for an underground dub of a demo tape Jesus made in his early twenties, before he got into the whole Messiah thing. Let me tell you that guy has some pipes. I am sure if Bay gave him a shot he could totally rock it big time.
AGENT SMITH GOTTA EAT = FLAMES ahh who cares by McGsStepson	Mar 24th, 2007 02:20:20 AM
AND I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH V.
If they are going to change TF so much, why bother? by GibsonUSA Returns	Mar 24th, 2007 02:28:05 AM
...with Welker OR Cullen? It's so drastically changed (for better or worse) that any G1 connections are incidental.
I can live with this casting as long as... by Boondock Devil	Mar 24th, 2007 02:33:07 AM
They still have to have Welker in it somehow. Now they just have to get either Willam Dafoe or Tim Roth for Starscream, right?
I said, "Meh!" by Zardoz	Mar 24th, 2007 02:33:17 AM
Transformers: more than sucks my balls! 'nuff said...
Cool by MaxTheSilent	Mar 24th, 2007 02:34:52 AM
But I'm really waiting to hear who voices Starscream.
Jesus just wouldn't be right for Megatron by INWOsuxRED	Mar 24th, 2007 02:37:36 AM
Jesus would be an autobot.
I think Hugo Weaving is the best thing about The Matrix by Shan	Mar 24th, 2007 02:40:06 AM
and a great actor but really, my vote is Frank Welker.
Just one more nail in an already massive coffin by IndustryKiller!	Mar 24th, 2007 02:40:21 AM
This is complete horseshit but Megatron has like 6 lines anyway. What this does prove though is that Cullens hiring was simply a way to try to get fans to make a deal with the devil that is this film and that Bay couldnt give a shit less about anything but making money. Well Bay, have fun continuing down your road of hackdom, I'm sure you'll die never having felt artistic credibility. But fuck it you're rich right? Better to rule in hell than serve in Heaven as they say. And Quint, I don;t want to piss on your parade, but the script is readily available for reading, and it's so bad all of Bay's herky jerky MTV directing and uninspired special effects in the world couldn't make this fun for anyone over the age of 11.
Choice #1 - Frank Welker, Choice #1a - Hugo Weaving... by Darth Fabulous	Mar 24th, 2007 02:42:50 AM
V GOTTA EAT, BITCHES! At least they got Prime right...
This is good news by Rindain	Mar 24th, 2007 02:45:36 AM
Weaving is an awesome actor--can't wait to see what he does. Also, Megatron's voice is nowhere near as iconic as Optimus'....Cullen was the only one we really needed, and we got him.
Choice #3 Leonard Nimoy by ElectricDreams	Mar 24th, 2007 02:46:37 AM
I mean what the hell? Why not?
Not a bad idea.... by Playkins	Mar 24th, 2007 02:53:03 AM
M. Bay is just reducing his odds that one of his lead V.O. actors will keel over dead before recording is finished. Cullen and Welker are, what, 80 now?
As someone who was very enlightened said ... by Shan	Mar 24th, 2007 02:57:03 AM
... that saying you'd rather rule in hell instead of serving in heaven as lacking in vision. I'd rather rule both.
Weaving is amazing, but I wanna hear Welker, goddamnit! by TallBoy66	Mar 24th, 2007 03:02:14 AM
I doubt it was a contract dispute that caused Welker not to be cast. The dude voiced dogs on Futurama for crissakes. But hearing Weaving do a badguy voice in Transformers is going to be sick. Argh, shit. I wanted to hear The "Real" Prime voice-off against The "Real" Megatron in theatres. Shit, ah well, can't win 'em all.
Oh yes P.S by Shan	Mar 24th, 2007 03:03:09 AM
Damn you Michael Bay!
Now that's what i'm talking about... :-) by moobit	Mar 24th, 2007 03:04:50 AM
“Human beings are a disease-a cancer of this planet, and we…are the cure…” Smith-like Megatron megalomaniac monologues ahoy! ;-)
I mean, come on guys... by moobit	Mar 24th, 2007 03:21:26 AM
We all know any hope of getting a “proper Transformers movie” was lost ages ago (I agree with you industrykiller- Cullen was only hired to stop the proper fans whinging for a few days…), but if all we’re going to get is “Michael Bay’s Giant Robot Movie TM” then screw it, lets just enjoy the ride and be thankful that at some point in the film there’s gonna be a big bad-ass robot with Smith’s evil voice coming out of it…..
The Prime Audioclip gave me a Geekgasm by LittleDudes	Mar 24th, 2007 03:21:52 AM
Followed by a full-on controversial reach-around.
Jack Bauer for Ironhide! by Boondock Devil	Mar 24th, 2007 03:25:22 AM
I'm assuming that they won't have Cullen voicing Ironhide in the movie so why not Kiefer "Dammit" Sutherland himself for that role?
For Starscream.... by moobit	Mar 24th, 2007 03:31:47 AM
What about Alan Rickman?? "Priiiimmme!! I'm gonna tear your Matrix of Leadership out with a spoon!!"
FUCK YOU MCMLXXVI by Seph_J	Mar 24th, 2007 03:32:46 AM
Fuck you MCMLXXVI
I'm indifferent and actually like hugo weavings voice by Mr_X	Mar 24th, 2007 03:39:44 AM
but i still like saying DAMM YOU MICHEAL BAY
If this film was a straight 80's adaption by BendersShinyAss	Mar 24th, 2007 03:49:18 AM
Optimus would look like a truck even though he doesn't change into a truck. I mean c'mon, Bumble bee had all the pieces of a VW but he turned into a futuristic spaceship. I will bet money on it that the magority of you haters will love this movie. Especially the ones who come back to AICN after the release of the film to bitch and moan about it. Especially you!
Hold on though. I thought cullen was signed for it? by Talkbacker with no name	Mar 24th, 2007 03:49:42 AM
What gives? I'm not really a transformers fan but how come cullen is not doing it anymore? Oh and thank you for the change. I hope it really pisses off that annoying cunt, MCMLXXVI!
Talkbacker with no name by Boondock Devil	Mar 24th, 2007 03:53:34 AM
Cullen is still doing the voice of Prime in the movie. Weaving is on as the voice of Megatron. Good times.
Thanks Boondock Devil by Talkbacker with no name	Mar 24th, 2007 04:04:57 AM
Ah I see. Not really a fan but remember the cartoon as a kid...a bit :)
Michael Bay is raping my childhood... but you know by SickPuppy	Mar 24th, 2007 04:17:46 AM
HE GOTTA EAT.
what about the GoBots by Doctor Zoidberg	Mar 24th, 2007 04:18:56 AM
I am shit dudes, Gobots would dominate the transformers any day
Welker is too cartoony by the_shogun_gunslinger	Mar 24th, 2007 04:19:56 AM
go ahead...castrate me, but megatron always spounded kinda jivey to me. Weaving is the shit...only thing that made matrix 2 and 3 watchable
MCMLXXVI by the_shogun_gunslinger	Mar 24th, 2007 04:22:03 AM
i want you to reveal yourself so that we talkbackers can keep our eyes open for you durring the theatrical run of this movie. you KNOW you're going to see it so fuck off!
Where the hell is Hot Rod? by BatPsycho	Mar 24th, 2007 04:31:10 AM
They better have him in a sequel if this movie doesn't bomb at the box office!
I find the casting a little obvious... by mattyholmes	Mar 24th, 2007 04:33:45 AM
I couldn't get over the fact that all I could hear in V for Vendetta was Hugo Weaving. I don't want the same here. www.obsessedwithfilm.com
Who Cares Anymore. by Redfive!	Mar 24th, 2007 04:35:07 AM
Theres so many other good blockbusters coming out and Harry Potter is a week after this Bastard-ization of a classic cartoon that your right the Robots dont look like the Original transformers so F*CK this movie!!
I'M GOING TO ENJOY WATCHING YOU DIE, MR. OPTIMUS by MaxCalifornia.	Mar 24th, 2007 04:39:30 AM
Ha ha, awesome voice. I don't give a toss about Transformers, but Weaving voicing a giant robot get a big thumbs up.
IndustryKiller, I knew it! by ApneicMonkey	Mar 24th, 2007 04:41:59 AM
The topic of Michael Bay's Transformers comes up and you have to flame it and mention your raped childhood memories. Transformers is a shitty (by today's standards) cartoon. I love the cartoon and the movie but both are cliched, cheesy dribble that just doesn't sit well today (as Jar Jar Binks addition to the prequels proved). I know your a purist but I truly believe that your memories of a great cartoon are clouded by your sentimental and nostalgic feelings. Transformers was in need of a major update... that includes the voices. Starscream was awesome in the day but that high-pitched, whiny voice just wouldn't be right in a live action 'big robot' movie. The same goes for Megatron, Soundwave, Jazz, etc. I'm not even sure if Cullen's voice will be right for the movie. Of course, I know I'm not going to change your mind. You have a right to feel the way you do and to hold onto your precious childhood memories forever. Having said that, if you need to reply to this then you must also be a last word freak.
Dated yes by tailhook	Mar 24th, 2007 04:52:59 AM
If you haven't seen the cartoon in 20 years... I agree.. you should. Its waaaay dated. But at the same time.. it roasts the japanese card games that mascarade as 'a cartoon' in order to get you to buy them. Hell.. the merchandise then was a hell of a lot better and well made then the merchandise now.
messi by ApneicMonkey	Mar 24th, 2007 04:57:12 AM
Dude, I love Transformers but it's still a shitty cartoon. Your comparison of Transformers to Yu-Gi-Oh is unfair - yes, Yu-Gi-Oh is utter crap! How about you try the likes of 'The Tick', 'X-Men', 'Spiderman', 'Batman animated' etc. All quality animation from recent years and not just the next 'flash in the pan' crap. Ok, wonderful... you believe that Transformers is still a great cartoon - seriously, how well will those animated characters translate into a live action movie? See, I got through that entire post without once calling you a dumb cunt or referring to your retardation. ;)
You are all wrong - Bionic Six was the shit! by Boondock Devil	Mar 24th, 2007 05:02:16 AM
And don't leave out the Rock-Lords. What kid wouldn't want a transforming rock?
Thank you Michael Bay by Dr_Zoidberg	Mar 24th, 2007 05:03:44 AM
Thank you Michael Bay
I love Micheal Bay by shakermakerman	Mar 24th, 2007 05:25:05 AM
I love Micheal Bay.
Michael Bay even by shakermakerman	Mar 24th, 2007 05:26:15 AM
him too..
G1 Transformers... by BIGMAC1701	Mar 24th, 2007 05:35:48 AM
I can't remeber anywheres a all saying this was going to be a G1 movie. So I guess everyone hates beast wars or TF Cybertron or any other incarnation of the franchise. Because all this is another incarnation of the same chaacters and story. So sit back and relax. If the 80's cartoons were made today...this is what you would get.
Sheesh... by BIGMAC1701	Mar 24th, 2007 05:37:41 AM
I should really re-read my posts...its too early to spell anyways
Time for all the adults to act like kids again.. by bongo123	Mar 24th, 2007 05:39:40 AM
isnt about time you fucking numbnuts grew up and got over it? im 30+ years old and i throw a fucking hissy fit everytime i hear a news story about transformers.. jeeze, you really must be a bunch of fucking basement dwelling losers... This is my summer hype movie now that i got 300 outa the way... roll on the robot carnage.
Megatron pontificating in a posh ozzy drawl? by Reelheed	Mar 24th, 2007 05:39:42 AM
Well why not. Weaving's voice is really measured and so will probably be perfect. "I would've waited an eternity for this, it's over Prime!" and so on.
Independence Day? by silentjay	Mar 24th, 2007 05:46:20 AM
Let me guess: Sector 7 is a secret government org that somehow called the Decepticons to Earth and have one dormant in captivity and will use it against them bu launching a computer virus that renders them defensless, opening the door for Prime and some US 5-16s to save the day for President Bill Pullman.
DAMN YOU MICHAEL DAY!!!!! by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Mar 24th, 2007 05:55:22 AM
I mean um Knight.
Figure this will be a big money suck ass film. by Negative Man	Mar 24th, 2007 05:55:54 AM
People will see it because it's Transformers, but all the previews (including the comic prequel) suck MAJOR ass. It'll make it's 200mil, but it will be that kinda embarrassment movie you tell no one you kinda liked. Say, like, Armageddon, but not as cool.
Damn you Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Mar 24th, 2007 05:58:45 AM
Damn you Michael Bay
WE NEED A MEL GIBSON DIRECTED AVP3!! by oh_riginal	Mar 24th, 2007 06:48:51 AM
IT MUST BE DIRECTED BY MEL GIBSON, AND IT MUST NOT HAVE HUMAN CHARACTERS, JUST HAVE THE STORY FOLLOW A GROUP OF PREDATORS AS THEY LAND ON AN ALIEN PLANET! GET HUGO WEAVING TO NARRATE! Yep.
I just got off the phone with Gary Busey... by oh_riginal	Mar 24th, 2007 06:50:09 AM
... and he agrees that a Busey vs Nolte movie would be the event of the decade. Hugo Weaving can narrate the beginning and ending.
Not that I give a flaming Transformer... by BannedOnTheRun	Mar 24th, 2007 07:01:11 AM
but what does this do to that stupid contest where you got to put things in Peter Cullen's mouth?
I wasn't a fan of TRANSFORMERS....but NOW I am. by JDanielP	Mar 24th, 2007 07:06:03 AM
I downloaded the TRANSFORMERS trailer on my XBOX 360 (via LIVE) and I have to say, from what I've seen, this movie looks like something to get very excited about. But I'm not passionate about the source material, as some people are. I mean, ...I can understand when people get upset when too much liberty is taken with characters they REALLY care about (as I feel with many superhero characters). But since I have absolutely NO FEELINGS about the cartoon (as I've never witnessed an entire episode), this project appeals to me because... it looks freakin' cool! So, ...allow me to say, "THANK YOU, MICHAEL BAY!" And now, ...if only I feel like thanking Mr. Bay AFTER I've seen the movie.
Hugo Weaving is usually the best thing about most films by newc0253	Mar 24th, 2007 07:14:49 AM
okay, his part in LOTR was fairly minor but the Matrix just wouldn't have been quite as brilliant without Weaving as Agent Smith. and he was the saving grace in an otherwise weak V for Vendetta.
I have no strong opinion for choice of voice. In fact, by JDanielP	Mar 24th, 2007 07:17:00 AM
...it doesn't have much influence in how I feel, from what I've seen. Perhaps with Michael Bay and Co. not going with the hardcore fans on the voices is a mistake, ...but I'm not sure. Like I've said, I don't know the source material. The only way the choice of VOICE would influence me... would be if they were obviously BAD choices. And that's not going to happen, I should think.
Hugo Weaving is usually the best thing about most films by newc0253	Mar 24th, 2007 07:17:51 AM
okay, his part in LOTR was fairly minor but the Matrix just wouldn't have been quite as brilliant without Weaving as Agent Smith. and he was the saving grace in an otherwise weak V for Vendetta.
Hugo Weaving is usually the best thing about most films by newc0253	Mar 24th, 2007 07:20:12 AM
okay, his part in LOTR was fairly minor but the Matrix just wouldn't have been quite as brilliant without Weaving as Agent Smith. and he was the saving grace in an otherwise weak V for Vendetta.
Alex Powers is busting you down to toilet scrubber by KillDozer	Mar 24th, 2007 07:23:18 AM
Just when I thought the plot of this movie couldn't get any more ridiculous, up shows Sector Seven, Lt Col Alex Powers, and their 'Ultra Secret' N.B.E. jargon. My interest in this film has officially been downgraded to threat level Alpha.
IN BAY'S OWN WORDS by tile_mcgillus	Mar 24th, 2007 07:27:38 AM
"Bay" posted this on his forum...enjoy: "Almost a 100 days left. I guess I should start posting every week? I've been working my ass off - the cut is really coming along -the shots ---awesome. Some of the most difficult renders in ILM history. Sometimes up to 38 hours per frame. The Show West thing was fun to see the scenes play in a 1000 person house. But they just saw 25 minutes so it is hard to feel engaged because they are not seeing the full run of a movie. Harry called me to tell me how he loved it. I see all the dickwad talk back people who claim they have read a finished script. Impossible - I kept the only draft for the last two months before shooting. That's where did major retooling to the script - yes the scene beats are similar but a very different script. We are still writing the robot voices. They talk about just 20 minutes of action at the end - yeah right. This is by far the most action I have ever put into a movie - I have 12 huge set pieces. Boy I get tired of these lame cry babies on the net. BAY"
Yet again Quit gets it wrong by YackBacker	Mar 24th, 2007 07:34:16 AM
This isn't an "either or" argument about a straight adaptation of G1 v. just having a fun movie. But whatever- congrats to Hugo Weaving. I wish I could get paid good money to only speak five lines in this movie. Megs is all but nonexistent in this story, so... this is like finding out who voices the Wampa beast from Empire.
Weaving as a younger Palpatine would have been cool by YackBacker	Mar 24th, 2007 07:38:48 AM
No knock against McDiarmid, I'm just saying that Weaving would have been good as well.
Bay sounds like an over defensive bitch by CTU Mole	Mar 24th, 2007 07:41:22 AM
If that's real. Next he'll be getting in the ring.
tile_mcgillus, did Bay really write that? by YackBacker	Mar 24th, 2007 07:42:06 AM
"dickwad talk back people"? Bahahaha! Come on, you're pullin' my chain. Phew, that was funny.
Here's something to chew on... by Gozu	Mar 24th, 2007 07:42:17 AM
I'd buy the redesign argument had I not seen this: http://tinyurl.com/233xaz. Say what you will about Ashley Wood, that's a pretty realistic and cool rendering of Megatron. He takes a few liberties with the proportions, but you immediately know upon just looking at it that it's Megatron.
Link doesn't work, here it is again by Gozu	Mar 24th, 2007 07:43:19 AM
Sorry. http://www.amazon.com/Transfor mers-Generations-Cover-Ashley- Wood/dp/B000FBQEYU
If that was really Bay, then one positive piece of news by YackBacker	Mar 24th, 2007 07:49:17 AM
Is that he apparently hid that piece of shit script away on his computer for two months so NOBODY could see it, including the actors apparently. ;)
The goddamn ZEROIDS can kick transformer ass anytime! by Uncle Stan	Mar 24th, 2007 07:56:41 AM
ZEROIDS will own your ass.
AT LEAST THE DECEPTICONS SPEAK ENGLISH NOW by bigdrawz	Mar 24th, 2007 08:00:37 AM
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Yackbacker by tile_mcgillus	Mar 24th, 2007 08:21:55 AM
It is from his website www.shootfortheedit.com here is the direct link http://tinyurl.com/ysukg5.
Autobots shouldn't fear their government... by BrandonGK	Mar 24th, 2007 08:29:20 AM
Finally TF news that doesn't want to make my eyes roll back up into my head.
Rob Schneider for Megatron by photoboy	Mar 24th, 2007 08:29:26 AM
I mean really, not hiring Welker? Fucking Michael Bay has no fucking clue how to make a good Transformers film. I really hope Spider-Man 3 rapes it at the cinemas this summer and he has to go back to making shitty music videos. Short of filming a pile of dog shit for 2 hours you couldn't make more worse decisions than the ones Bay has made.
Hugo! by beelkay	Mar 24th, 2007 08:32:58 AM
I think he's great...and as far as voice actors go, look at what he was able to do in V for Vendetta, where almost all of V's emotion and character had to be done with just the voice. Seems like a good choice to me.
Jesus Christ as Snake Plissken! by JackPumpkinhead	Mar 24th, 2007 08:35:03 AM
"I heard you were resurrected?"
"Ahoy, squirts!" by feckdrinkarse	Mar 24th, 2007 08:41:37 AM
What the fuck is that ? I don't know why, but it's so fucking irritating.
TOO SOON!!! by Pageiv	Mar 24th, 2007 09:20:00 AM
Sector 7? At least it's they're better than Sector 6. I cant stand those dudes.
Damn you Michael Bay by MCMLXXVII	Mar 24th, 2007 09:23:10 AM
Damn you Michael Bay
wait.. by Michael Corleone	Mar 24th, 2007 09:24:02 AM
its a friggin transformers movie. Am i wrong? isnt this a movie about giant transforming robots fighting each other? why do people treat shite like this as if hollywood is remaking citizen kane?
Bless you Michael Bay by JDanielP	Mar 24th, 2007 09:29:02 AM
Bless you Michael Bay
public (fanboy) demand by gusradio	Mar 24th, 2007 09:35:06 AM
I realize that Bay was always going to make his vision of the transformers for good or ill, and that i was going to drag my fan boy's battered and bloody carcus to the biggest and loudest screen I could find and roll the star wars prequil dice to see if i can take yet another beating then possibly not even log on to a website like this or go see another film for at leaste another year or until i head read enough books about hard drugs and taken enough had drugs to forget i ever liked the animated movie and stop the bleeding OR perhaps just maybe be able to walk back out of the theatre with my constitution in tact having seen somthing passable with a title like "Transformers". but is it absolutly nessecary to ignor the shit out of the cries from nearly everyone who has ever posted anything resembling an opinion regarding Frank Welker being the obvious choice for megatron? Whatever man. Whatever it's just a voice over for a big robot afterall right? Were not supposed to attache ourselves to the material.. surely i sould allow my mind to drift to the day my ex-girlfriend made me sit down and make fun of the actors who played supporting charcters in "Prisila Queen of the desert". I mean everyone (but me) likes Hugo Weaving in all the superckingluckymothercking WILLIAM SHATNER AS A BULLSHIT UPPITY MONOTONE BRIT sounding c*cksmokin' roles he's played. So cool... I still have to see this movie and that was my only pre veiwing rant... but i swear to god if this movie sucks I not going to bother being a movie geek for a good long while. I know you won't miss me...but i'll sorta miss you... i have like twenty books on my dresser i need to power read this summer anyway. I don't need to made sense.. I like David Lynch films.
i did say if by gusradio	Mar 24th, 2007 09:41:06 AM
IF it sucks, i still have hope after all.
RETARDED? WTF YOU"RE RETARDED DOUCHEBAG by BRUTICUS	Mar 24th, 2007 09:46:27 AM
Big fun and retarded? noone wants that you tool.
80's cartoons being molested by liljuniorbrown	Mar 24th, 2007 09:57:08 AM
If your going to take these properties (Turtles,Transformers,and GI Joe) from development hell to the big screen,take away the elements that sucked and make it awesome. I didn't love Transformers the same way I loved G.I Joe as a kid,but I did watch as often as I could and I do want to see some kick ass robot fighting on the big screen. Just remove the cheese please. I'm not talking dark,hard R stuff,just a decent movie thats not aimed towards a audience of ten year olds who have no idea of the source material.
This makes it appear they didn't want Cullen by Immortal_Fish	Mar 24th, 2007 10:04:50 AM
My opinion, but this makes their giving the Prime gig to Cullen appear to be nothing other than reluctantly extending a fig leaf to the fanbase. Can't help but suspect they didn't want him at all. I see no reason why they must have such a recognizable name as Weaving involved when Megs has so few lines. Especially when Welker is still available. A no-brainer that in all likelihood would have been cheaper. Are Bernie Mac, Dane Cook and Joe Don Baker still unnecessarily involved?
"The haters" Quint? "The haters?" by Logo Lou	Mar 24th, 2007 10:08:45 AM
Ever notice that anyone who uses the rap/tweener/trying to sound hip douchebag slang of "haters" to describe people who don't like something they like, always like something that's shitty?
No, Jesus is doing the voice over work for Shia LaBeouf by thelivingdoll	Mar 24th, 2007 10:11:37 AM
The guy just can't pronounce his R's right.
Transformer fanboy whining by Tai_Pan	Mar 24th, 2007 10:12:53 AM
Waaaaah!! It's not like my childhood toy commercial used to be! Waaaah!! Someone made a concession and gave me an adaption of the cartoon I've waited 20 years to see on the big screen but it doesn't look enough like I want it to!!! Waaah!!! Bumblebee isn't a VW bug, I don't care if it was impossible to make him a bug, someone raped my childhood!!! Wahh!!!! They won't hire a third rate actor to voice one of the characters!!! Wahh!!! The movie is being directed by a guy who makes action films, surely this kind of man can't handle the intricacies of human drama that was a cartoon toy commercial!!! You people make me fucking sick. No one's stealing your candy. No one is taking away your cartoon or fond memories. You give the crew of this movie so much shit over a film you haven't seen yet... friggin crybabies. AT LEAST LET THESE PEOPLE TELL THEIR STORY BEFORE YOU START BITCHING ABOUT THE FILM'S MERITS. As for all the other comments about how it isn't enough like the cartoon: STFU. Yeah, I'd like to see the characters look a little more like the cartoon as well, but oh well, they didn't do it. It's no reason to tell a film crew to fuck themselves, go to hell, be damned, etc. My God, you people need to shut your collective pieholes.
If I were Michael Bay by Tai_Pan	Mar 24th, 2007 10:18:34 AM
I'd tell all you whiny fanboys to go build a chocolate watch and cram it. No sense in trying to please morons who think they are owed something.
Screw all of you Bay apologists. by BrandonGK	Mar 24th, 2007 10:21:47 AM
This is going to suck donkey balls and you all know it. Bay is a fucking hack, the script is a fucking joke, and the actors fucking suck. Screw all of you.
Go to You Tube Right Away by liljuniorbrown	Mar 24th, 2007 10:31:01 AM
If you want to laugh your ass off,look up Behind The Music:Complete If i'm way late to the party on this i'm sorry but someone showed it to me yesterday and I had to pass it along. The guy who taped this is doing a pop up video style commentary to the worst band ever to grace public access cable. Listen to the story setting the clip up ,sit back and enjoy the madness.Keep in mind the last somg they do and the interview with the band are a tie for the most hysterical thing I have ever witnessed.
Is Weaving on his own that big of a box office draw? by Immortal_Fish	Mar 24th, 2007 10:36:17 AM
Do they really need another recognizable name on the cast list? Okay, let's entertain the notion. If Weaving is the tipping point that urges more folks to see this movie that wouldn't have otherwise, logic dictates that these same folks will only be pissed that he isn't involved until the very end and has only a scarce handful of lines. On the other hand, if this was a shrewd move to gain geek interest since Weaving is popular in geek circles, then wouldn't bringing Welker on board have more of a positive impact? This to me is yet more evidence that everyone involved with this movie simply doesn't realize just how big TF is. And if they don't know what they've got, then they don't deserve to be adapting it.
Okay, my two cents by subgeniuszero	Mar 24th, 2007 10:53:47 AM
When I watch movies, I want to be entertained, engaged, and stunned. There are three types of movies that do this for me. One is obviously the "big popcorn movies." 'Nuff said there. Bay does those, and does them well. More on that in a moment. The second type of movie I like to see is the "in-between" movies: those that make you think, but also kick your ass with special effects and action. "The Matrix" is a good example. The third type of films are the real thought-provoking and usually "Indie" films. I can enjoy all three. I don't see the need to "hate" any of the three kinds of films. I have resigned myself to the fact that although it will not resemble (probably in the slightest) my belobed eighties Transformers, I am going to see this film for its effects, its action, its one-two punch of BIG BADASS-NESS. I am not going to see "gay Transformers eating pudding." I am not going to see the G1 mythos as portrayed in the pilot episode of the cartoon series, nor am I going to see Soundwave, Shockwave, Galvatron or Starscream (or at least the Starscream I remember). Now, onto Mike Bay. You see, folks, he IS talented. It's just a matter of what he is talented at. I posted the following in another talkback, so forgive me if it's redundant: If you pop in Armageddon, and fast forward to the abominable "Ben Affleck and Liv Tyler are eating animal crackers scene", you'll see, at the end of this scene, a wide-shot where Ben Affleck picks up Liv Tyler, spins her around against a gorgeous sunset next to his red sports car, while Aerosmith plays in the background. Gag inducing? Yes. But is the picture pretty? Oh God yes. Nobody knows how to composite a shot like Bay. If you know anything about color-timing, shot composition, cinematography in general, and especially the art of cutting, then you know you need to give Michael Bay some respect. His herky-jerky editing style may seem "MTV-ish", but there's a hell of a lot of work that goes into editing like that. If the shots still leave coherent images of the overall composition in your head even if they're cut together bam-bam-bam, then you've seen a good edit. Besides, if you look for it (like I do), you'll see that most movies today use an editing style that resembles Michael Bay's. It's the kind of editing that is in itself "artsy", because it draws attention to itself, it makes you notice it, and , like it or not, the timing of his edits usually fits the tempo of the action on screen that they accompany. SOOO, to sum this all up: From a technical standpoint, Bay is fantastic. If you don't like the story being told, then blame the screenwriters, actors, and executive producers and yes, to a certain extent, the director; just remember that he isn't the only one who makes the movie. Bottom line: if you're a person who does not appreciate the monstrous technical know-how that goes into directing a film, then by all means, go ahead and continue to hate Bay. But if you do appreciate cinema from a "craftsmanship" standpoint, then by all means go see Bay's next film, Transformers, because you'll get what you pay for: a visual-centric popcorn film. That's why I'm going, at least. Jesus, that was a lot of typing.
CARRIE MOSS TO VOICE BUMBLEBEE by Pound Sand	Mar 24th, 2007 10:57:03 AM
Don't you blaspheme in here !
As long as we have OG Prime I'm satisfied. by slder78	Mar 24th, 2007 10:57:52 AM
Looking forward to 7.4.7.
This is a good choice. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 24th, 2007 10:59:05 AM
Weaving's voice is formidable. I hope he can give us something distinct and menacing that also sounds far and away from Agent Smith. Also, that post by Bay = CLASSIC. Eat it haters. ;^)
HEY MICHAEL BAY by THE KNIGHT	Mar 24th, 2007 11:01:24 AM
HEY MICHAEL BAY
Okay...Agent Smith's voice... by DarthStallion	Mar 24th, 2007 11:04:46 AM
coming out of a face that looks like a 90 year old woman's coochie (not that I've experienced that view before, but I've heard some scary rumors). Sign me up. And get Willem Defoe for Starscream.
ok ok ok by Bloo	Mar 24th, 2007 11:05:02 AM
I wasn't going to comment on this talkback...I'll miss Welker's voice for sure...but Weaving is an interesting choice however I find it interesting that Mr Bay would dog on us on his messageboard...he is supposed to be trying to WIN us over not trash us. That's the difference really between someone like Stallone, admit it we were all dogging on Balboa UNTIL Stallone came and basically won us over with the q&a...Bay (and Don "The Muff" Murphy) seem intent on alienting us completely I don't understand the logic...Bay come here and talk to us, tell us WHY you made the decisions you made, try and at least win us over
Alan Rickman by Staldo	Mar 24th, 2007 11:14:01 AM
I think Ron Perlman should have gotten this part waaaay before Weaving. He was Hellboy, he was Slade in Teen Titans, he could be the giant monster version of Megatron. He would be my second choice after Welker. Alan Rickman would make a passable Megatron. I just wish Shockwave was in the movie. That faceless, gun-handed freak-bot sounded just like a poor man's Rickman in the cartoon.
messi by subgeniuszero	Mar 24th, 2007 11:18:31 AM
Well, everybody's got their own opinion. I personally think that Transformers looks awesome. But you're right about Pete Jackson: nobody can composite a shot like he can. And yes, if you look at it, what he does does feel a tad "warmer" than Bay. I didn't say Bay was the Shizzle O' God. I just said he was good. Jackson is better. Just a question: who do you think is best when it comes to shot composition? I'd be interested to hear. :-)
p.s. by subgeniuszero	Mar 24th, 2007 11:19:51 AM
I give my vote to Steven Speilberg.
I wanna see Bumble bee by OscarH	Mar 24th, 2007 11:20:41 AM
If Bumble bee ain't in it,then it ain't cool.
so did they audition him by INWOsuxRED	Mar 24th, 2007 11:24:28 AM
or just say "hey, that guy did a voice behind a mask, lets use him"?
A very nice choice! by Barl	Mar 24th, 2007 11:25:46 AM
I really like this choice, Hugo Weaving has a very distinct voice and he can sound really meaniscing at times.
No Frank Welker? by Dazzler69	Mar 24th, 2007 11:31:36 AM
That's bullshit! I am sure agent smith will do ok but all I am going to be thinking is this movie needs the real Megatron's voice.
Maybe on Dvd by Dazzler69	Mar 24th, 2007 11:33:50 AM
they could have a way to change Megatron's voice to Frank Welker? I am sure that would be a good geek project after it's released on DVD.
great choice, and none of this on dvd shit, you will by wcoop893	Mar 24th, 2007 11:36:13 AM
all be there opening weekend i promise you. just to see the effects. stop crying.
"Who's Frank Welker?" by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 24th, 2007 11:39:02 AM
You're such a poseur, BSB.
Andy Serkis by subgeniuszero	Mar 24th, 2007 11:45:43 AM
is the shit. I agree he'd make an awesome Starscream. But they'd have to do all that modern digital processing on his voice to make it sound "machine like", which is one thing they're doing to all the robot voices in this movie (or so I've heard).
Keanu Reeves should voice Optimus Prime by apass	Mar 24th, 2007 11:46:53 AM
how about it, fanboys & fangirls, hahahahaaa
im not hating tformers, im just being realistic by wcoop893	Mar 24th, 2007 11:48:28 AM
with the movie that we are going to get, and with the movie that would work best. the movie you all want would and will never get made because there wont be a large enouce audience for something silly like it in live action. i just try to be realistic
subgeniuszero by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR	Mar 24th, 2007 12:00:20 PM
I AGREE 100%
messi by wcoop893	Mar 24th, 2007 12:13:32 PM
im just saying that from previous movies and a more mainstream cartoon, batman already had the fan base, and yeah youre right, it was a good movie and i suppose it was kind of smart as far as blockbusters go. no i take that back but it wasnt stupid. i havent and dont plan on reading the tformers script, but since michael bay is doing it, we know there will be some stupidity. but i think its all in good fun because really his movies are enjoyable to most people who havent decided to hate him already. and yeah the franchise needed a facelift, and it got one. nothing anyone can do about it. you will unfortunatly never get a fanboy huge budget tformers movie, so enjoy this for a huge ass summer blockbuster that it will be.
spielberg sees the potential of a huge action movie by wcoop893	Mar 24th, 2007 12:18:29 PM
from this franchise, and he also saw that bay is best for it. he said, im saying, none of you agree, but its all goood.
this film will be the Ultimate Transformers film by Evil Hobbit	Mar 24th, 2007 12:22:07 PM
Mark me words, you can't show the cheesy 80s cartoon bots in a life action film, those transformations would look like total shit. The redesigns are awesome, it's actually a machine that is transforming in a new form, not the semi-shapeshift from the cartoons.
Where is PharteGoddPrime??? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 24th, 2007 12:32:13 PM
Come on fool, step up.
Hugo. by DocPazuzu	Mar 24th, 2007 12:37:14 PM
No, I stay.
Be careful, BSB! by CreasyBear	Mar 24th, 2007 12:41:15 PM
You swipe council estate scumbag's tagline and he'll probably do all manner of unspeakable acts of British-themed violence on you, all while railing against you in a Guy Ritchie / Snatch-like accent!
On one hand... fuck. No Frank Welker. by fractureJonze	Mar 24th, 2007 12:42:48 PM
On the other hand... fuck. No Frank Welker.
"Harry called me to tell me how he loved it. " by UMAGA	Mar 24th, 2007 12:43:43 PM
Gee, big surprise there Mikey Boy. I fucking hate Harry Knowles. Save us Moriarty. br> Oh and messi stop fucking telling us about TFW2005. No one gives a shit what they say.
Bay didn't call Yackbacker a dickwad. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 24th, 2007 12:47:33 PM
He was referring to the TB haters en masse. However, I would LOVE for him to come in here and address some of you directly a la Kevin Smith.
Just trying to piss of Transfans for no reason by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 12:53:54 PM
at this point, aren't they?
Frank Welker... Sucked by vladimus	Mar 24th, 2007 12:55:08 PM
I goddamned loved Transformers, but I wasn't blind to its flaws. Idiotic, simplistic characterization, continuity errors ahoy, weak scripts... and sorry, but, unlike Cullen, Frank Welker had absolutely no subtlety in his voicing of Megatron. He's a voice actor with an enormous breadth of vocal talents, but not a lot of depth (Fred from Scooby-Doo, anybody?). I think Weaving's a much better choice.
Weaving has a great voice. Unfortunately, his by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 12:55:51 PM
voice is such that it's plainly clear it's Weaving, so this is just celebrity casting.
Welker was great as Megatron, his by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 12:57:52 PM
voice is perfectly suited for that character, I can hardly imagine anyone else. The fact is that design for Megatron needs a voice like Weaving to come out of it too offset his ridiculous chandelier styling. Just the icing on the crapcake at this point.
Megatron is like Lex Luthor. He is supposed by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 01:00:13 PM
to be superscillious and cruel, not commanding and authoritative. Prime is commanding and authoritative. Megatron holds it all together by his cruelty engendering fear. You're not supposed to think "Oooh...Megatron is so bad ass!" Just another example of how the filmmakers don't get the characters, that's all.
Isn't it amazing that these filmmakers are more by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 01:01:08 PM
childish and stupid in their view of this property than the creators and writers of some 80s cartoon? Ironic.
Bay should definitely address you, superninja. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 24th, 2007 01:04:24 PM
I've never seen someone so full of themselves and their own opinion about this movie than you. You're a special case.
Michael Bay Blows! by sevenrivera	Mar 24th, 2007 01:05:03 PM
Michael Bay is history's greatest monster. He has done more damage to American film making than any other person in history. He is a pathetic joke and I sincerely wish someone would beat him with a sack of hammers. I was excited about a Transformers movie right until I heard he was involved. Now I know it's going to suck balls. It will be filled with lame cliches, predictable and over-the-top stupid action, horrible dialogue, blaring music and overwrought emotion. God I can smell it from here. I hate you Michael Bay, I hate you so much. Almost as much as you missed the mark when you made Pearl Harbor.
Bring it, Mr. Nice Gaius. by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 01:05:35 PM
You seem to be a particular know it all when it comes to my opinions.
Hey, at least I'm not proposing to beat by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 01:07:50 PM
Bay with a sack of hammers. I even said I liked The Island was optimistic about Bay making the film until I read the script and saw the direction they were taking the film. I completely disagree with the direction, it barely has anything to do with the original source material. Really, I don't see how you can defend that other than to say you really don't care about the source material.
"Boy I get tired of these lame cry babies on the net." by Playkins	Mar 24th, 2007 01:09:49 PM
DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bay basically just handed a million fanboys a licence to bitch. Talk about validating all this movie hate-speak. He should have never admitted that movie geeks get to him at all.
superninja by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 24th, 2007 01:10:10 PM
If I seem to know about your opinions, it's because you post them OVER AND OVER AND OVER in these TBs. You're like a guy with a sore tooth...you just can't stop touching it. I'm not trying to bring anything. I just think a discussion between you and Bay would be revealing and highly entertaining.
Mr. Nice Gaius, I get a kick out of reading by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 01:12:05 PM
your opinions, too. :D Look, just admit you don't care about the source material. That's obviously a perfectly valid viewpoint. You want to see Bay completely remake Transformers with little to do with the original characters and high concept.
Just like the cartoon by vladimus	Mar 24th, 2007 01:14:05 PM
sevenrivera: "It will be filled with lame cliches, predictable and over-the-top stupid action, horrible dialogue, blaring music and overwrought emotion." And that's different from the original how???
Fanboy Bitching by sevenrivera	Mar 24th, 2007 01:15:36 PM
I would like to clarify, I'm not upset if they deviate from the source material or who's voice does what or if Bumblebee has nipples - leave all that emotional geeky crap to the fanboys. All I care about is a good movie. Do a good movie and I'm stoked. Unfortunately, Michael Bay is COMPLETELY INCAPABLE OF MAKING ANYTHING APPROACHING EVEN A WATCHABLE MOVIE! He is a disaster of epic proportions. He is the Syphillis of the movie world. This is going to be another big budget horrible piece of clap-trap that should only be enjoyed by idiot foreigners who have no grasp of subtlety; instead, however, the American public will embarrass us all and make apologies for it as "fun and mindless action." Why does it have to be mindless? Because Michael Bay is more retarded than my brother Bilo.
This whole website is about opinions. Or are by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 01:19:11 PM
you telling me it is a scientific treatise and we should stick to empirical methods? I don't get it when people disagree or are appalled by comments instead of refuting the actual arguement say, "Oh, well your opinions are too strong, or mean, or whatever..." Just have a laugh about it at that point.
Transformers 80s Movie in London Theaters by CallerFromLA	Mar 24th, 2007 01:21:51 PM
Transformers: The Movie (the original) is playing in limited-release in London movie theaters. Why not in LA? Argh? Robots dancing to "Dare to be Stupid" on the moon, man! You've got the touch!
WWMBD? by sevenrivera	Mar 24th, 2007 01:22:26 PM
When filming Team America, the cast and crew wore t-shirts that said "What would Michael Bay do?" That was their mantra while making the movie and whenever they came to a scene, they would ask themselves that question and in response they would add another over-the-top dead piece of dialogue or a lame catch phrase or a cliche'd action piece or a blasting guitar riff, etc. People think Team America was a statement about America's involvement in the war, which it was to a degree, but most don't realize that it really was intended primarily by Matt and Trey to be a scathing attack on the worst filmmaker in history - Michael Bay. Why does he still make movies - because idiots pay to see them?! Why? Why? Why? Every Michael Bay fan should be deported to Germany with the Mentos-commercial-making Funboys and the David Hasselhoff fans.
I'd rather not have Fred from Scooby Doo, thanks... by anchorite	Mar 24th, 2007 01:29:25 PM
Frank Welker is over-rated as a voice over performer. Like Michael Bell, Casey Kasem and many other old-school voiceover talent, Welker always sounded like Welker. Granted, he was known for pulling off interesting vocal gymnastics for making animal and creature sounds, but I would prefer someone else for Megatron. Way to go, Hugo Weaving!
WIERD by council estate scumbag	Mar 24th, 2007 01:29:52 PM
its helmed by the rat faced michael bay yet i'm looking forward to it. all of us on my estate are gushing for this.
Ha! Mike Bay, the brilliance behind PEARL HARBOR by YackBacker	Mar 24th, 2007 01:30:59 PM
called me a "dickwad." Well, that right there is some funny shit. Somebody's a wee bit defensive about his big, awesome movie. I love the "we're redoing the robot dialogue as we speak!" Did that same strategy work for THE ISLAND? Ummm... okay, I didn't think so.
gany, what are you going on about? Parker and Stone? by YackBacker	Mar 24th, 2007 01:34:27 PM
Geez, fella, relax! Those guys do something called "satire." If you've happened to watch television in the last... oh 30-plus years, you will have seen such shows as Saturday Night Live, The Daily Show and Fox News (woops!) that do the same thing every week. Don't get down on Parker and Stone for their approach. And TEAM AMERICA was hilarious. It eviscerated the Bruckheimer/Bay genre quite deservingly.
Satire by sevenrivera	Mar 24th, 2007 01:35:34 PM
Sitting back and making fun is the job of the satirist. A satirist is not always required to find a solution, merely to highlight a problem in an amusing or insightful way. I raised Team America as a classic example of satire used to highlight the worst case of rectal cancer in the world today: Michael Bay. Transformers done correctly could have been an amazing movie - instead, they chose to crap all over it by giving it to scrotum boy Bay. Thanks, you bastards!
RE: source material by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 24th, 2007 01:37:09 PM
superninja - well, it depends. There is a lot of different source material out there. Many different Generations and mediums to choose from. I remember the first time I saw the concept art for Megatron. I was disappointed because it did seem like such a radical departure from the G1 Megs everyone knows and loves. I even said so on these boards. But if you look at all the other versions of Megs that have popped up over the years - THEY FUCKING SUCK!!! So, ironically, I actually think this movie version may work. I think the level of realism they are shooting for is going to make sense of these designs. (I even think Prime looks more regal now than ever.) But as you might say, that's just my opinion. Now, I watched the Transformers cartoon everday when I was a kid. But I don't need a slavish reproduction of the cartoon to be optimistic about this film. Though they may look different, the original characters are there. As for the "high concept" (I assume you mean the alien-robot war concept), it seems in place to me. Bottom Line: they have "remade" the Transformers since the moment Prime died. Why stop now?
Hey, if it can't be welker.. by beatitudesputnik	Mar 24th, 2007 01:39:39 PM
... this will do. This will do, big time.
What's this about Bay coming to AICN? by YackBacker	Mar 24th, 2007 01:40:24 PM
Are you crackheads serious? Can Monkey Bay even type his responses or will his "pool boy" be there to help transcribe?
Conundrum by sevenrivera	Mar 24th, 2007 01:47:17 PM
If given a time machine, a rusty old coat hanger and a wet/dry vac and told that you could go back in time and perform a messy late-third trimester abortion on one fetus, who would you choose? At the end of the day, I'd have to go with Hitler over Michael Bay, but you'd be surprised at how close the call would be. Ask me again after I've seen five minutes of Transformers on cable (no way I'm paying to see it) and I think the answer may even change.
Hey Yack! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 24th, 2007 01:47:43 PM
BTW: Bay didn't specify you as a "dickwad". He was talking to the overall TB hater population. Like I said earlier, I would love for him to come to AICN. Wouldn't that be something?! They could even give him the fabled "Black Box"!!!
Gaius, I understand where you are coming from, but by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 01:49:15 PM
certainly you can understand those of us with an appreciation of the original and you must admit they have deviated from all of the iterations significantly here. When it's something I care less about, it bothers me less. In this case, I think the original version is such a fantastic idea, that it needed so little alteration, I am disappointed in their adaptation of it to the big screen. I think it's a very immature take on it compared with the cartoon, the focus is all wrong.
Thanks to Hitler, my granparents met and got married by YackBacker	Mar 24th, 2007 01:49:25 PM
So, given the choice, I'd take out Mikey Bay.
messi by Bloo	Mar 24th, 2007 01:55:07 PM
add my name to that list...I'm not as flashy as Yack or ninja but I've got some serious questions to ask Mr. Bay
Oh, I would love for Bay to come here and by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 01:57:31 PM
defend his choices. However, that would just bring a flamewar and Bay doesn't really have any defense - as I said before I don't consider him the problem here - he's just taking an idea and running with it. No, invite the screenwriters and producers here. The ones who claim to LOVE Transformers.
My point is that Bay doesn't care about by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 02:01:00 PM
the Transformers, I doubt he knows anything about the characters. All he knows is THAT SCRIPT, so what is there to ask? He's not going to have any brilliant ideas about why they choose to change anything - he has no original point of reference. What we want are the producers and writers.
BSB by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 24th, 2007 02:02:12 PM
Why is it that your ripping off council estate's style doesn't surprise me? Wot's a sad load of tossers like yuz gonna do anyways, eh?. I'm the Face.
TINO ! TINO ! TINO ! by Pound Sand	Mar 24th, 2007 02:02:54 PM
TINO ! TINO ! TINO ! TINO ! TINO ! TINO ! TINO ! TINO ! TINO ! TINO ! TINO ! TINO !
There is still hope for Transformers................... by GibsonUSA Returns	Mar 24th, 2007 02:04:41 PM
I will cringe when I see flames on Optimus. But I will still watch TF hoping for a good movie. I did like Michael Bay's The Rock, so there still is hope for the Transformers. Mr, Bay, It's not the script I am most worried about, it's the robot designs and characterizations. Even if us old school fans are not in your primary target audience, I ask that you CONSIDER revising the designs to be more consistent with how G1 (and Transformers in general) have always looked when making future TF sequels/stuff. Optimus as a big red truck, Bumblebee as a small subcompact car...and robot modes that APPROACH the designs of the past. No, they do NOT have to be boxy. And they do NOT have to be even close to the old designs. Just influenced and respectful of the old designs. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL WE WANT. If you can do that, you'll may be able to please an entire audience segment along with your primary one. Thanks.
HOW ABOUT by THE KNIGHT	Mar 24th, 2007 02:05:10 PM
I take my boot... turn that som bitch sideways... and stick it straight up.... BAYS CANDY ASS! :)
Moi "flashy?" by Yack Backer	Mar 24th, 2007 02:05:36 PM
I've gotten more mellow over these past few months. I know Bay didn't call me personally a "dickwad." Sly Stallone was the first real celeb to call me by my screename and that was in the throes of the Balboa Love-Fest of last year (to this day the greatest stretch of time at AICN ever). Hey BSB, did you buy your copy of ROCKY BALBOA yet? I just picked mine up this afternoon.
No reason to bitch by Maximillian Roivas	Mar 24th, 2007 02:07:35 PM
At least we got Cullen. That's all that matters. Getting to hear Agent Smith taking on Optimus will make my inner 12 year old go a big rubbery one in the theater.
Bay over Hitler by sevenrivera	Mar 24th, 2007 02:07:42 PM
Someone just admitted that they would painfully abort the fetus of Michael Bay instead of Hitler if given the chance and I found myself saying, "Ok, that's tough but fair." That's gotta tell you something about Mr. Bay and his ability to make a film. As for the guy that blames the producers and screenwriters, oh they definitely suck too and deserve blame, but the lion's share has to fall on Mr. Bay. He's the one that looks at a scene on the page and says, "Yes this works, but it would work soooo much better if they were saying it with a blistering electrical guitar solo in the background and if we could somehow get Ben Afleck or his equivalent involved, that'd be sweet. Oh and we need to tack on an explosion right here that knocks the guy's helmet off in an amusing way, and finally, can we get her to say it after a dramatic pause during which she whips off her glasses? Awesome. And we need a catchphrase here, something like 'Looks like we just took out the trash!'"
For most of us the designs are an afterthought, the by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 02:08:12 PM
reflection of a much bigger problem. Our problem is with the draft script, which Bay admits himself, that the new and improved version has the EXACT SAME BEATS. And it's no good as a Transformers story. The story is no good. The main characters are not the robots. And obviously the Megatron design is just inexcuseable from a pure design standpoint.
damn you michael bay by the toad	Mar 24th, 2007 02:11:45 PM
damn you michael bay
messi, the people complaining about us by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 02:13:24 PM
complaining have a one-track mind (sorry Gaius). They need to just admit they don't care very much about the source material. We do, we care about the integrity of the original myth from which all the other iterations flowed. That is an important point. It would be like making a Superman movie from the POV of Jimmy Olson and having Superman be Lex Luthor's brother. No one would mistake that for the real Superman.
Holy shit, messi! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 24th, 2007 02:17:24 PM
...was I even addressing you??? Easy tiger!
That's because JJ Abrams wanted to make by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 02:19:12 PM
his Superman, not the real Superman. And that can be valid if he improves on the myth. But usually, they can't. :)
I mean, Singer just attempted it and failed by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 02:19:51 PM
horribly. Bay will not improve on the Transformers mythology one iota.
sevenrivera by Yack Backer	Mar 24th, 2007 02:22:45 PM
First off, welcome to the party, I don't know if we've spoken to one another in the past. As for your point about Bay being responsible, I think you're right. When reading the script for TF, it became apparent to me that the screenwriters were tailoring their work to Bay's mentality too. Bay doesn't like character scenes as it forces him to keep the camera still. Mikey like to break stuff and shake camera! Mikey smash! Yay! And as for Stallone's troubles in Australia, Sly- I'm here for you if you need an extra cut-man in your legal team corner.
Source Material by sevenrivera	Mar 24th, 2007 02:24:24 PM
Is it nice when they can stick with the source material and make a good movie (I think X-Men (until that abomination of a third movie) or Spiderman have generally done a good job with that) but it's also ok if they deviate from the source material in an intelligent and entertaining way (like Batman Begins). It's the "intelligent and entertaining" that Michael Bay is incapable of doing and that is why this movie is going to eat a bag of dicks.
oh well, gany- again we disagree on something by Yack Backer	Mar 24th, 2007 02:24:56 PM
But that's really a matter of personal tastes. I see TEAM AMERICA as some pretty biting and sharp satire. If you and I hung out, watched the movie and ate pizza all the while, I think I could convince you of what I mean.
Who wants to flame Hugo Weaving, gany? by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 02:25:00 PM
Most people like the guy enough.
You know, just reading my comment above by Yack Backer	Mar 24th, 2007 02:27:08 PM
It sounds like I've propositioned ganymede. Dude, my subconscious thoughts are very naughty apparently!
vladimus re: "Just like the cartoon" by Immortal_Fish	Mar 24th, 2007 02:27:54 PM
It's been leaked that only 25% of this movie contains the robots. Hence, 75% of it will be the humans with their "lame cliches, horrible dialogue, blaring music and overwrought emotion." But you're prolly right that the robots will bring the remaining 25% of the "predictable and over-the-top stupid action."
Team America is hilarious if not a little vulgar. by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 02:28:22 PM
But of course I will not get much agreement on that here. :) I still think of Ebert's review about the dam breaking and the dolls floating facedown being more moving than most disaster films he had seen. Hahah, and it was kinda true.
Yack by sevenrivera	Mar 24th, 2007 02:30:25 PM
Thanks Yack - I usually just lurk around, but the bile in my stomach over the thought of Michael Bay helming a Transformers movie spewed forth and forced me to action. Agent Smith can be Megatron, hell Will Smith can be Megatron, for all I care if they would just take Bay off this movie. Can you imagine a JJ Abrams or Joss Whedon or Sam Raimi or Peter Jackson or James Cameron Transformers? Instead, what do we get? We get Michael "Armageddon/Pearl Harbor" Bay.
Immortal Fish, Bay refutes this on his website by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 02:30:38 PM
claiming the film has 12 action setpieces and it's the most action he's ever shot. Not that Bay is one to exaggerate, or anything... ;) It would be interesting to go back to the draft script and see if that's already what's in there and he's acting like it's new, or if they did add anything.
Well, let's get into TEAM AMERICA for a bit here by Yack Backer	Mar 24th, 2007 02:32:56 PM
Why I think the satire works: It is SO vulgar and so over the top that that's the whole point of spoofing the genre. It's supposed to be absurd not for the shock value (alone, at least) but because they (Stone and Parker) are saying that the action genre too often shuffles off its morality in its own insipid ways. TEAM AMERICA is just doing the same thing but amplifying it for the sake of comedy (ex: dolls having porn-star sex). So on the surface it's a goofy, profane movie but not too deep below that exterior it is a well-disciplined satire I think.
David Caruso by Mindraven	Mar 24th, 2007 02:33:22 PM
can be Weaving's stunt voice double. He's only been imitating him for years on CSI:Miami
Just out of the gate, they come to Earth looking by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 02:35:37 PM
for the Cosmic Ke-I mean, "Matrix" instead of crash landing and being stranded here in a guerilla war. Just think about how that changes all of the character's motivations and the whole focus of the story. Terrible.
B*LLSH!T by Phategod2	Mar 24th, 2007 02:36:55 PM
I expected it but at this point I don't care anymore I'm more excited about Prostate exams then I am about this movie. Hey Yack I got that 50 inch samsung DLP. Ganymede you flip flop so much I officially dub you JohnKerrytron2000.
Yack Backer, I agree with your analysis, but by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 02:37:08 PM
obviously these two are consistently vulgar, so I do think it is vulgar for vulgarity's sake as well.
Team America by sevenrivera	Mar 24th, 2007 02:41:40 PM
is brilliant for all of the reasons Yack eloquently articulates and more. It's a statement about what's wrong with today's action movie genre as well as the hyper-patriotism prevailing today and the ridiculous influence liberal activist actors have on issues about which they have no business uttering a word. Matt and Trey manage to hit the right and the left with equal vigor all the while mercilessly mocking Michael Bay and his ilk. I say they are amazing (or at least Trey Parker is - Matt Stone is Ben Affleck to his Matt Damon). If you ever want my politics on any given issue, consult South Park (series and movie) and/or Team America and chances are I agree with 99% of what they say. Plus, who doesn't laugh at a good dick joke?
"Boy I get tired of these lame cry babies on the net" by photoboy	Mar 24th, 2007 02:41:42 PM
Yeah, go fuck yourself too Bay. The only lame one is you and your complete inability to understand what is required of a Transformers film.
Phate, congrats! by Yack Backer	Mar 24th, 2007 02:42:42 PM
Tax season was good to you, no doubt. Now tell me about your cable/satellite situation. That puppy puts out 1080p, so we gotta make sure it's happy. And did you buy an HDMI cable yet?
Different Creators? by vladimus	Mar 24th, 2007 02:45:49 PM
Good point, Immortal_Fish. On a different note, does anyone think it might be a good idea to have different creators do their own interpretations of the Transformers mythology? I'd love to see a Luc Besson Transformers, a Guierrmo Del Toro Transformers, a Neill Blomkamp Transformers, etc.
Of course by Phategod2	Mar 24th, 2007 02:48:36 PM
My apartment gave me the "No satillite dish" rigamarole and I don't feel like litigating so I have Comcast Hidef Picked up a HDMI cable from Target for $40. its funny it's capable of 1080p but Cable Broadcasts in 1080i. Xbox 360 Looks Amazing though. Even wack movies like Ultra Violet looks good. I can't wait for 300 on DVD.
sevenrivera, re "Source Material" by Immortal_Fish	Mar 24th, 2007 02:48:44 PM
"Is it nice when they can stick with the source material and make a good movie (I think X-Men have generally done a good job with that)" Singer's X-Men was faithful to the source material? lol
Immortal Fish, while not faithful in details by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 02:51:27 PM
X-Men was faithful to the spirit of the comic book.
X-Men by sevenrivera	Mar 24th, 2007 02:51:42 PM
Laugh. Sorry Immortal_Fish, you are right. I was reaching there. I was trying to think of some example of somebody sticking to the source material and doing it well and I kind of farted instead. I'm . . . I'm retarded. You get my point though right? That sticking to the source is great, but it's not a fatal error if you deviate as long as you deviate well. This will not deviate well. This will just plain suck on a cockbag.
Phate, and gany by Yack Backer	Mar 24th, 2007 02:55:38 PM
First, to Phate- where did you buy your set? And I'm guessing since you have the X-Box that you have (or are going to get) the HD-DVD add-on as well. It's funny that you mentioned Ultra-Violet, I just watched that movie in HD a couple of weeks ago... just because it was in HD. Gany, if I am proven wrong, you're the first person I'm telling about that fact. I will NOT hide that from you.
Those "libertarians" are smarter than the by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 02:55:42 PM
progressive legislators running our state.
You us liberals a bad name with your flip flopping. by Phategod2	Mar 24th, 2007 02:56:02 PM
Love or hate this movie Gany make up your mind.
They also have a sense of humor. by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 03:00:26 PM
But I with Yack, if this movie gets reviews that say it knocks it out of the park, I will go see it and then happily eat my hat. They hired a comic book writer to punch up some of the robot's dialogue, so who knows? But that doesn't change the nature of the story itself.
I'm looking for what the critic say about by Phategod2	Mar 24th, 2007 03:04:19 PM
The Character dev. it;s never been one of Bays strong points NOt just the TF's but the Humans This movie is chocked full of stars and B-list actors I'd like to see what the critics say about there porfances. I got the set from Circuit city I got tired of waitng for TVathaurity.com to get more in stock.
Phate, you will be able to tell from the reviews by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 03:05:46 PM
if it is schlock or not. Some people will give it a pass, others who know better will focus on the characters and the story as you mentioned.
Nah, were saving Jesus Christ for the GI Joe movie by Style_92	Mar 24th, 2007 03:06:48 PM
As Cobra Commander.
That's the spirit, supes by Yack Backer	Mar 24th, 2007 03:09:09 PM
But honestly... there's almost no shot we're going to be wrong :)
Did someone mention Ultraviolet? by S-Mart shopper	Mar 24th, 2007 03:09:19 PM
WORST FUCKING MOVIE GOING EXPERIENCE EVER...AAAAAHHHHGGGGG!!! sor ry, I'm better now. Bayformers WILL suck the dirty limp one.
Agreed Yack by sevenrivera	Mar 24th, 2007 03:12:27 PM
You're right, there's absolutely no shot we're wrong on this one. I just wish I could buy stock in how much this movie is going to suck. Not how much money it's going to make, which unfortunately it probably will make a lot because people are stupid, but stock in how truly awful it is going to be. God I hate you Michael Bay, so much. So very much.
Have my doubts as well, Yack. by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 03:12:30 PM
Especially since Bay is perturbed. If the film was so stinkin' spectacular, why is he annoying?
Why are Murphy, Bay and all of their acolytes by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 03:14:31 PM
so defensive if this movie knocks it out of the park? Maybe it's because it's HACKILICIOUS?
Hmm...I think you mean if we replaced Bay's by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 03:20:22 PM
brain with that of an advanced life form, right?
BSB, I seem to recall you had no preferences by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 03:22:03 PM
in that area, either, so I'm not sure how that is coming from you.
Does Chyna make you blink, too? by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 03:26:10 PM
Because Brad Pitt's kinda girly for a man and Chyna is kinda man for a girl.
Alright, I'll get off your case. We know this: by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 03:28:08 PM
Verbinski is going to own come this summer!
Daniel Craig made me blink by Yack Backer	Mar 24th, 2007 03:30:26 PM
But then Eva Green came in and reminded me of all that is good and glorious in this robot-eat-robot world.
I say again-Alan Rickman for Starscream... by moobit	Mar 24th, 2007 03:30:43 PM
any takers/other suggestions??
Bay's attack by INWOsuxRED	Mar 24th, 2007 03:31:56 PM
is probably the worst thing since the pic of megapincusion, as far as making me think this wil suck. At least some of the purdy moving pictures made me think that seeing the robots could offset the likely shortcomings. When Bay is attacking critics this far out, to me it smells like he is already trying to place blame for the bad reviews that haven't even been written yet, and the bad word of mouth to follow.
"remember how Sly came onto AICN and how he was nice" by Playkins	Mar 24th, 2007 03:32:32 PM
Had to comment on that- A friend of mine worked on "Cliffhanger" and told me that Sly was a GIGANTIC asshole. He won't see any more Stallone movies because of it. Don't kid yourself into thinking his AICN appearance was any more than geek PR.
Playkins, anything pre-GET CARTER Sly did by Yack Backer	Mar 24th, 2007 03:40:02 PM
is forgiven. Back around CLIFFHANGER< Sly was a $20 million/picture star. The humility and passion he showed with ROCKY BALBOA is from a different person than the guy in CLIFFHANGER, in my opinion.
That's my guess as well, INWO. by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 03:45:57 PM
No one starts complaining this early the way Murphy and now Bay have unless they know it will not be well received. It's nonsense to call this movie Transformers.
You're right BSB... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 24th, 2007 03:47:14 PM
...I don't like vaginas. I FUCKING LOVE THEM. Once you stop trying to suck Chyna and Brad Pitts dick, you should try going back to that lovely female body part. Poseur.
huh. by Dollar Bird	Mar 24th, 2007 03:47:19 PM
This is a bit of casting. When I was young, and the world was still a fresh ball of cooling gases, I loved Welker's Megatron. Heck, I loved all of the voices on that show. But recently I listened to a wav file or something on some website where Welker reprised his voice of Megatron. I don't know if it was that they didn't use the same "metal voice effect" from the old show or that Welker just plain forgot what that voice was like, but it didn't sound the same. It sounded closer to his Dr. Claw voice than anything, and that's a poor comparison at that. So, if Welker won't do it, then who? In the show, Megatron was always more of a bully than anything, so he'd need that angry, commanding voice. But rumor says Bay's Megatron is more of a social-evolutionist than an asshole. So, the gruff Welker wouldn't fit. But Weaving? He's too calm. I don't know who'd be better, but Weaving just doesn't seem right. His voice isn't imposing, just chilling. Also, Willem Defoe for Starscream is brilliant. That would be a re-casting I could handle (and not just b/c Latta's dead.)
Finally, the online script every naysayer stands by... by moto	Mar 24th, 2007 03:51:24 PM
... has been confirmed as NOT being the shooting script. Common sense. Here is why I like what Bay said. "Boy I get tired of these lame cry babies on the net." Put yourself in a director's place. Forget that it's Bay, who despite the majority of TBers hate is a guy that has obviously entertained the masses... what's wrong with that? Nobody's calling him Robert Altman or anything... anyway, put yourself in a DIRECTOR'S place. He/She is working their ass off, along with a few hundred cast, crew, etc. And all they are hearing regarding anticipation for their film from one particular site is, "I've read the script and I hated it! This movie's going to suck! There designs are all wrong! The characters suck! The dialogue sucks." etc. etc. etc. So they read this stuff, knowing that A) They HAVEN'T read the final script B) They haven't seen the finished product. etc. I'd say the same shit too. So would you. It's good to know that a director isn't going to let anyone direct his movie for him. He's doing it his way. I respect that. Now before people start calling me a Bay lover. I'm not. I was entertained by Bad Boys and the Rock. The first half of Armegeddon was fun at best. The Island looked great, but was lacking story-wise. BB 2 was over-the-top. AND LET ME SAY THIS... I was pissed as hell at what he did with Pearl Harbor!! A disrespectful manipulation/exploitation of that "day of infamy". BUT, in the end he is what he is. He can stage a huge spectacle. He can and has entertained the masses. In my opinion, he is the perfect choice for a movie ABOUT ROBOTS THAT TRANSFORM AND FIGHT EACH OTHER AND BLOW SHIT UP... because in the end, no matter what anyone says, that is what the G1 show was about. I'm a HUGE G1 fan. Watch the episodes on DVD. Not a whole lot of depth there. Not at all. But I still love it. At some point, you have to let go of G1 when you are looking at an adaptation of the material that is almost 25 years old and stemmed from the 80s. As a lifelong fan of G1, I can say that Transformers was about robots that transformed. You had your good guys and you had your bad guys. That is the central theme. And Bay and Spielberg thus far, from what LITTLE we've seen, have captured that. They've added some weight to the concept too, showing how that battle between the autobots and decepticons affected the human race, something that was just mildy explored in the G1 series. No movie delivers to anyone/everyone 100%. I'll take what I love about it, and anything I don't like I'll leae behind. It doesn't effect the role that G1 Transformers played in my childhood. It doesn't "rape" that childhood memory because I still have the DVDs of the series. I'm just thankful that after all of these years, I finally get to see live action (well close to it) Transformers battling it out on Earth! And yes, Yack my friend, I'm in preacher boy mode;) It's "how I roll".
To top it off, I suspect Weaving is stunt-casting. by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 03:55:56 PM
Who are doing the rest of the robot voices? Uh, Bryan Cox, Mark Ryan, Brian Stepanek...
And get this bit...a toy developed of an by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 03:57:26 PM
iDog Bumblebee in relation to the movie. Hmmm....
Yack loves Rocky Balboa too? by moto	Mar 24th, 2007 04:00:57 PM
Hey, something we can agree on! I got the DVD from Sony a week before release and have to say that it was widely anticipated! I was hoping to see some deleted scenes involving Duke, though. Stallone mentioned a Director's Cut, so I'm sure he held back a lot of deleted scenes... frackin' double dipper! Great flick and great DVD though. Stallone really redeemed himself as an actor/director/writer and artist (he did too with Copland, to no avail). Only thing missing was a scene or two having Rocky approach Duke to convince him to train with him again. Would have been great. Could have mirrored Rocky II when Mickey didn't want to train Rocky again. Anyway, love that film. Interested to see "John Rambo"... although I hope they change the title... too derivative (sp?) of Rocky Balboa.
MCMLXXVI IS A FLAMING DOUCHE! by the_shogun_gunslinger	Mar 24th, 2007 04:01:26 PM
fuck his "noble" crusade and fuck anyone who admires his "tenacity"...where the fuck do you guys come up with that shit? how is some fat life-less fuck posting 4 words over and over again anything special? he has never explained his reasons for hating this shit so much, and that isnt even what pisses me off...what DOES is that even after all this bullshit he's talked he's gonna be in line DAY FUCKING ONE!!! we all know it. most of you guys will be too. maybe not as fans, but out of morbid curiosity. so keep crying MCM, you dumb fuck. keep crying about your 200 million dollar toy commercial being "raped".
moto, the depth of G1 was never in the cartoon. by TheNorthlander	Mar 24th, 2007 04:03:34 PM
It was in the comicbooks. They dealt with the complexity of morals and ethics, rights and wrongs, on a level the animated tv-show never approached.
I do admit, Weaving is stunt casting... by moto	Mar 24th, 2007 04:05:03 PM
You're right Superninja. I have no problem with it, but does seem like the powers that be said hey, let's throw a fanboy favorite in the mix and see what happens. I'm sure they're reading this though, and going, "Man, these guys will NEVER be happy! We gave them Agent fucking Smith and they even bitch about THAT!" Prime reason why I just don't think a studio/filmmaker could/should/would rely on a fan base to tell them how to make their movie.
They shouldn't rely on the fan base. But they by superninja	Mar 24th, 2007 04:11:13 PM
should have a good idea of what the fanbase wants and why the idea has been successful for so long and they clearly don't. To you it was just a cartoon to sell toys - obviously it is way beyond that at this point. What is your favorite fictional character, moto?
North by moto	Mar 24th, 2007 04:11:44 PM
Yeah, but the comic is a bi product of the G1 show. They're not making the movie based on the popularity of the comic book. A majority of G1 fans aren't seeing (or not seeing) the movie because of the comic either. It's the TV series. You're one of the only people on transformers talkback to even mention it. But you're right, the comic really took it into a whole new direction, character and story-wise. Same with the G.I. Joe comics.
How about Kiefer as Starscream? by Bones	Mar 24th, 2007 04:12:25 PM
Imagine his voice, similar to how it was in Dark City, only NOT a Peter Lorre imitation...it is a weasily barritone...
moto by TheNorthlander	Mar 24th, 2007 04:15:30 PM
sad, but true. hey - maybe that's what's wrong with some of these sad fuckers like MCMLXXVI? If they'd read the comic when growing up instead of watching cartoons, they would have been adults now.
Oh, and when this movies sucks... by Bones	Mar 24th, 2007 04:16:22 PM
...I'll just go and watch the Animated Movie from '86... "You got the touch....you got the Pooooowwweerrr...."
I so enjoyed his role in Dark City by Phategod2	Mar 24th, 2007 04:20:36 PM
Could Imagine him doing that character as Jack Bauer.
Hey moto by Yack Backer	Mar 24th, 2007 04:22:19 PM

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