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In The Cold Distance!!
The Stunning Conclusion To GALACTICA’s Third Season!!

FIRST! by SkidMarkedUndies	Mar 16th, 2007 03:21:14 PM
YES!
With that said . . . by SkidMarkedUndies	Mar 16th, 2007 03:21:37 PM
I am so tempted to look.
BTW: That lawyer dude last week . . . by SkidMarkedUndies	Mar 16th, 2007 03:22:20 PM
PWND the show. What a great character.
Man... by Hyperion Consul	Mar 16th, 2007 03:22:45 PM
i wish this show wouldn't have started when everyone was still bitter over the sci-fi channel cancelling farscape. that's the main reason i didn't start watching this show (and almost didn't watch "children of dune"). i guess i'll wait for syndication, it seems to much has happened to just jump in.
FRAK ME!!! by SkidMarkedUndies	Mar 16th, 2007 03:25:44 PM
WHY DID I LOOK!?!? WHY THE FRAK DID I LOOK!?!?!? NOT THAT!!! NOT THAT!!!
I hope it is as good as it sounds by NoHubris	Mar 16th, 2007 03:25:48 PM
I also hope it makes up for the filler episodes too. Here's to Season 4.
Stupid question: This airs this sunday, right? by SkidMarkedUndies	Mar 16th, 2007 03:27:06 PM
Just wondering.
not all sunday by hatramroany	Mar 16th, 2007 03:33:50 PM
It doesn't all happen Sunday. Only half, the other half is next Sunday. So wait. Who is the Cylon, who is dead, and who discovers earth?(what the promos promised) Does Kara both die and discover earth? (and possibly be a Cylon)
buh..buh...buh...but her viper was destroyed! by darth jobu	Mar 16th, 2007 03:36:54 PM
So, who's the twelfth? Jobu
Don't forget to add five minutes if taping. by mrfan	Mar 16th, 2007 03:37:18 PM
I heard that the show extends an extra five minutes. Almost forgot last time.
hatra, you don't want to know. by SkidMarkedUndies	Mar 16th, 2007 03:37:47 PM
It's a doosey.
GEEEEEEEEEZ...... by Kai_Mah'gra	Mar 16th, 2007 03:37:54 PM
......if you haven't read the inviso-text, then I beg you: - DON'T READ IT!!!! I mean, holy friggin FRAK!!!! I could see the Kara one coming a Mile away though, but geeeeeez that final five......
If you didn't read the spoilers yet.... by veritasses	Mar 16th, 2007 03:38:38 PM
__D_O_N_'_T_!_!_!_!__ Them spoilers were HUGE. Almost as big as ST "I Am Your Father" huge.... It might be worth it to write spoilers that big in 0.5pt font size in a .DOC file that's triple encrypted with the passwords scattered around the internet so we have to go through all the extra effort to read it.
Kai, no kidding. Who would have thought . . . by SkidMarkedUndies	Mar 16th, 2007 03:39:26 PM
DIRK BENEDICT IS THE IMPERIOUS LEADER!!! J/K. Avoid the invisotext like the plague folks.
Well, at least we now know who..... by Kai_Mah'gra	Mar 16th, 2007 03:39:33 PM
....... Lawless' character was apologizing to in the temple of Jupiter.
yikes, please delete my last post by darth jobu	Mar 16th, 2007 03:39:39 PM
Sorry for the putting a spoilerage in the subject line...
Spoilers gotta eat by kravmaguffin	Mar 16th, 2007 03:41:36 PM
OMFG! Season 4 here we come!
Double Damn!! Would love to discuss this but.. by mrfan	Mar 16th, 2007 03:51:35 PM
that just ain't fair to everyone. Damn. Damn. Damn.
Why did SciFi channel send these screeners to everyone by snowpuff	Mar 16th, 2007 03:57:41 PM
and his grandmother? The showrunners must not be pleased?
I can't believe Jar-Jar is a Cylon by MC Vamp	Mar 16th, 2007 04:11:58 PM
Meesa Cylon!
shenanigans!! by jedimindflayer	Mar 16th, 2007 04:20:16 PM
i call shenanigans on these spoilers!! some of this shite just don't make sense...
Questions AND Answers: what a concept. by Christopher3	Mar 16th, 2007 04:24:55 PM
J.J. Abrams and Damon Lindelof, take note.
Bad Assumptions by amaysingstories	Mar 16th, 2007 04:25:24 PM
Just because the characters think or are told that they are Cylons, doesn't mean the neccesarily are. The one character spoken of in the final spoiler obviously shows there is a new facet to the game. Might the characters who come to believe (mistakenly) they are Cylons be associated with this third faction? Perhaps a sort of glowy shiny noisy inigmaticcy faction that might have been featured in the first BSG?
Inigmaticky by amaysingstories	Mar 16th, 2007 04:26:40 PM
Sorry. I spelled my fake word wrong the first time.
Hmph! by Pennsy	Mar 16th, 2007 04:33:18 PM
avoids this and all BSG talkbacks until March 25 so I remain unspoiled :D
I'll definitely... by jimmy rabbitte	Mar 16th, 2007 04:37:12 PM
...be watching this on Sunday night. It sounds really good. I'm wondering how accurate the reports are; but I don't really care. One thing I always try to remember though is-- this is the season ending cliff-hanger... what they give in these last two weeks, they may try to take back somehow at the beginning of next season. After all... a year ago at this time it looked like the show was going to be about a bunch of refugees stuck on a planet under Cylon rule; and they got out of that in what 3 or 4 episodes? I love this show and I'm in 'til the end, but I've stopped completely buying into every single path they start taking us down.
Dammit Herc by Jimmie Dimmick	Mar 16th, 2007 04:37:12 PM
It makes perfect sense now! Bob Dylan is a Cylon!
fuck you for putting it there damn it by JeanLuc Dickhard	Mar 16th, 2007 04:37:20 PM
damn it i wish i wasnt so weak ...........dammit you know i needs the spoiler.........
Damn my eyes!!! by Big Bad Clone	Mar 16th, 2007 04:41:57 PM
Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck! I really wish I hadn't read the invisotext.
So.... by skydemon	Mar 16th, 2007 04:45:41 PM
Are we going to get a dumbass extra special bonus scene at the end of these episodes also?
Hermione Dies! OH NO! by -guyinthebackrow	Mar 16th, 2007 04:46:34 PM
Wait... nevermind. Wrong thing.
Oh Gods of Kobol, NO! by -guyinthebackrow	Mar 16th, 2007 04:51:22 PM
I read it!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But, I've always thought that Buck Rogers might show up by -guyinthebackrow	Mar 16th, 2007 04:52:56 PM
... kidding.
Starbuck returns filthy rich by Knobules	Mar 16th, 2007 04:56:59 PM
From her huge coffee shop franchise. Starts a kids school in Africa and gives everybody on Glactica a car.
4th season could undo all of these things... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Mar 16th, 2007 05:04:53 PM
I just have this feeling that all these amazing plot twists will be undone in the 4th season premiere... not everything will be what it appears to be at first. Just my gut feeling, from reading these spoilers.
I will NOT look... by Billyeveryteen	Mar 16th, 2007 05:09:24 PM
Guess I'll join in later...
Sweet... by Hairy Nutsack	Mar 16th, 2007 05:10:31 PM
SPOILERS There's a three for one deal at Starbuck's, I totally own.
Screw Dylan, play the Hendrix version by FluffyUnbound	Mar 16th, 2007 05:15:34 PM
I'm just sayin'.
The two biggest twists could be undone next season. by Prof. Pop-Cult	Mar 16th, 2007 05:15:41 PM
1. Who the final five are. 2. Starbuck. My theory has been that the character could return next season as an in-head character, but not in corporal form. These spoilers suggest who could be the person who experiences in-head Starbuck....
all of it is true... by mpfanatic	Mar 16th, 2007 05:16:36 PM
I have watched the finale already and all the stuff in the inviso text is true if you havent read it yet DO NOT READ IT, its SOOOOOOOOOOOOO worth it to skip
Thanks for the heads up, Herc... by RaveX	Mar 16th, 2007 05:20:43 PM
Now all I have to do is stay away from the internet for the next 10 days. Should be fun...
Ouch!! by Audio_of_Being	Mar 16th, 2007 05:25:08 PM
Highlighting the inviso-text had about the same effect for me as someone saying "Don't touch that, it's hot!", and then me touching it out of sheer curiousity and being severly burned. One thing is for sure though, the next nine months without Galactica are going ot be painful.
goddammit by Strabo	Mar 16th, 2007 05:45:16 PM
Curse my lack of will-power. If there are spoilers, I HAVE TO READ THEM. Normally, it doesn't bother me. Hell, I'd love to find some spoilers on Lost so I can figure out what the fuck is going on without having to waste ten hours of my life watching the rest of that shitty show. I digress. This is the second time I have ever regretted reading spoilers. The only other time I've regretted it was also for BSG. It was when Herc posted the spoilers for the season one finale and revealed that Adama was going to get shot. I was so pissed about reading that. sigh
okay now that MOST everyone knows by Oceanlizard	Mar 16th, 2007 06:01:53 PM
Someone is going to change, re-edit, the last two episodes and this was all just an effort to plug leaks within the rumor mill
Oh... by Red Ned Lynch	Mar 16th, 2007 06:07:39 PM
...I shouldn't have read that.
Ho-lee SHEEYIT! by Darth_Gonz	Mar 16th, 2007 06:09:47 PM
Bob Dylan is a frakkin' CYLON!?!?!?!?
If that last bit is true, I'm outta here. by Gorrister	Mar 16th, 2007 06:29:52 PM
Bringing Starbuck back is a HUGE mistake.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! by Russman	Mar 16th, 2007 06:50:39 PM
Can not freaking wait. I'm not going to read the spoilers..... until 5 min from now.
DAMMIT!!! by pate	Mar 16th, 2007 06:51:05 PM
my mouse hand has a mind of its own! (read into that what you will)
god.someone.torrent.this.screene r.now by FastEddieBax	Mar 16th, 2007 06:51:28 PM
seriously
Who didn't really call all of this? by arrangedletters	Mar 16th, 2007 06:54:45 PM
From everything Sci Fi already said.
Man,. by EdRyder	Mar 16th, 2007 06:57:51 PM
This seasons ending,,Romes ending,..sucks. Got any news on The Shield? Whens that comin back?
My personal theory of the four revealed. NO SPOILERS!! by mrfan	Mar 16th, 2007 07:07:22 PM
Now, I don't actually know if they are truly the "four." That seems not to be truly told. I just don't think they are. However I do believe that they are connected. I do believe that the true four cylons are those that are the most important to the four people that are believed to be the final four. It would be just too easy for the audience if these four were it. Just think about it. I think they (the writers) are just giving a red herring. My personal opinion.
Charlie Jade by vivavitalogy	Mar 16th, 2007 07:10:51 PM
Anyone? Anyone?
AAAAAARRRRRRGGGG!!!! by Darth_Baltar	Mar 16th, 2007 07:14:10 PM
just like lucy has done to charlie brown, herc you have just pulled my football away. DANG YOU< DANG YOU ALL TO HECK!!!
Not buyin' it. by Jambiloo	Mar 16th, 2007 07:22:21 PM
None of this makes any sense. Too many loose ends are tied up. I find this a big disappointment. In all the chaos of the attack on Caprica how could all of these Cylons end up in the same place by pure luck? And why would they understand the lyrics to a song in English when they've been seperated from the 13th colony for (what was it, a thousand) years? And they don't care that they're Cylons? So it means nothing? And I thought we were told that "...and ONE's a Cylon." And Starbuck's back but with no explanation as to what was going on in her head with Not-Loeben before her viper blew up - a viper that's now miraculously put back together. And what, Roslin's cancer is back so she can conveniently be the dying leader again? This doesn't answer any questions, it just throws out everything we know. I think this is nothing but somebody's fan fiction that was just well written enough to get people worked up. I have more trust in the writers than to put this crap out. This show is like a soufle and the writers are chefs. They're not gonna throw it in the microwave for the last few minutes after they've been working on it all day. I think they're more likely to give us one good revelation to chew on for the next nine months, not blow their load all in one episode. I wouldn't expect to hear what happened to Starbuck until the end of next season. Oh, and Roslin's the Cylon. That'll shake things up.
starbuck = jesus by jedimindflayer	Mar 16th, 2007 07:48:53 PM
thats all i'm saying. that and not only is bob dylan a cylon, he's one of the final 5. fracking old enough to be one anyways
Did not read... by Optimus Murphy	Mar 16th, 2007 07:55:19 PM
Must...not...read.
I still don't understand why they chose that song . . . by SkidMarkedUndies	Mar 16th, 2007 07:58:35 PM
Of all songs to choose, they choose some drug song? Why not something more profound? Unless Starbuck comes back from an Earth circa NOW?
My predictions with spoils by Tai_Pan	Mar 16th, 2007 08:03:55 PM
The "four" are not actually what they have concluded they are. I can see all of them being cylons EXCEPT for the eldest, who makes no sense due to his age and established history. The Dylan song might not make sense to them; meaning it may sound like Gibberish in their heads while the audience will recognize it; still, it indicates that the fleet will arrive on Earth at any time after 1967 into the far future. As for the return of the dead character, I assume this character is a cylon, and that this character's ship could have easily been made by the cylons. In the alternative, Lee might be the one who dreamed up this character's death. If true, that may cast doubt on his heritage since everyone seems to be up for grabs given the cylon revelations.
let us just remember... by hatramroany	Mar 16th, 2007 08:06:12 PM
who shot J.R.
Sounds Interesting by Professor Krapp	Mar 16th, 2007 08:10:40 PM
But I've lost faith. I'll give 'em a chance.
So Adama is the leader of the Five?! by Razorback	Mar 16th, 2007 08:22:51 PM
Oh, he is not? Damn.
"The Music In Their Heads" by agentf1	Mar 16th, 2007 08:26:00 PM
Everyone is taking the song choice too literally like it must mean that present time on Earth is post-1967, etc. The song choice may be deliberate for its MEANING and nothing else.
Oh, and Thanks by Professor Krapp	Mar 16th, 2007 08:30:33 PM
for some decent spoilers finally. The more I think about, the more stupid it all starts to sound, however.
Oh, and Keep Starbuck Dead by Professor Krapp	Mar 16th, 2007 08:33:22 PM
Fucking Science Fiction shows don't know how to fucking kill off a character. That old device gets really fucking tired really fucking quickly.
If Starbuck returns.... by Gorrister	Mar 16th, 2007 08:46:29 PM
....then Moore's entire podcast for 'Maelstrom' was nothing but 40+ minutes of lies.
Maybe it has already been mentioned... by SylarTheCylon	Mar 16th, 2007 09:17:53 PM
But i've been having a problem with this show since they found the cylon virus. What I don't understand is why didn't they release the virus into the human population to flush out the remaining hidden cylons? It would be a great way to get rid of any remaining models. Also, about the song, maybe it's a placeholder until the show's composer is finished with the real music.
The spoilers dissappointed me by Hervoyel	Mar 16th, 2007 09:18:11 PM
I'm not one to worry about spoilers one way or the other but I understand that a lot of people care about that so I won't mention details. I just felt like most of those spoilers are what I'd consider to be really stupid things that I'd never have wanted to see happen. I think they stretch the credibility of the story beyond my ability to accept the show. If they're accurate I'll more than likely be done with BSG. It's just not doing it for me anymore. The Mini was brilliant and the first season was pretty damn good. After that it has seemed to drift away from what I wanted to see the show become. It's not necessarily a bad thing (a lot of you seem really pleased with the direction it's gone in) but I don't see any reason to continue watching it.
Those who are concerned with these spoilers... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Mar 16th, 2007 09:44:14 PM
As I said, but it may bear worth repeating: I think the revelation of who is a Final Five Cylon may in fact be a huge red herring. And as for Starbuck's return: I haven't seen the episodes myself, but it appears that Lee is the one who sees Kara and her Viper. That could be the final scene in the finale. So what does that mean? Maybe Starbuck is actually In-Head Starbuck now to Lee. This would raise several possibilities for next season: Is it really Starbuck? Is Lee crazy? Is he a Cylon? Is Starbuck a Cylon? Will In-Head Starbuck tell Lee not to tell anybody else that he can see her now?
agentf-1 by Tai_Pan	Mar 16th, 2007 09:44:14 PM
"The song choice may be deliberate for its MEANING and nothing else." If, as indicated, the four are hearing the song and the song is not just background music, then how could it NOT mean that they are in a post-'67 world? This is fairly simple logic.
re: fairly simple logic by snowpuff	Mar 16th, 2007 09:48:19 PM
Um, they all speak modern American English. Which proves absolutely nothing. It's called "suspension of disbelief."
Also by snowpuff	Mar 16th, 2007 09:53:15 PM
I think y'all forgot that Moore wanted to end season 1 with Baltar hearing a Jimi Hendrix song (and Dirk Benedict saying "Hi, I'm God." Really, I'm not making this up. I don't think a Dylan song has anything to do with what time period it is - I just think Moore has wanted to involve a cool song at some point in the show.
I Call Bullshit! by Rogue Planet	Mar 16th, 2007 10:06:12 PM
That's my call, and I'm sticking to it. At least half of this has gotta be screwy. Kara coming back I can buy, but the deal with "Watchtower" and the music and stuff...nah. That's just weird. Well, whatever...I'll watch it anyway.
the song *spoilers* by Zeframillen	Mar 16th, 2007 10:07:25 PM
*spoilers* i've read a full detailed synopsis of the episode, not only are the characters SPECIFICALLY hearing "all along the watchtower", the indaviduals who are hearing it frequently quote the song throughout the episode: "so much confusion" "there must be some kind of way out of here" etc. they really are hearing the song and understanding the words.
snowpuff by Tai_Pan	Mar 16th, 2007 10:41:51 PM
"Um, they all speak modern American English. Which proves absolutely nothing. It's called 'suspension of disbelief.'" What's does this have to do with my point about the time period being post 67?
*Spoiler Alert* by DarthStallion	Mar 16th, 2007 10:45:44 PM
Six is really a Cylon! And so is Eight! And Five too, but I'm not completely convinced about Three.
Yeah, Three is tricksy. by SkidMarkedUndies	Mar 16th, 2007 10:58:14 PM
Definately.
...All Along The Watchtower... by jimmy rabbitte	Mar 16th, 2007 11:09:41 PM
...huh... I guess we're lucky this isn't 1985 or they'd be using Stairway to Heaven instead...
as for the "post 67" world... by DarthStallion	Mar 16th, 2007 11:12:39 PM
Remember how in the last season of the original BG series, they picked up a TV signal of "The eagle has landed" right after Apollo left the room? So maybe the four are picking up radio signals in their dental fillings.
yeah... by jimmy rabbitte	Mar 16th, 2007 11:13:37 PM
just like Gilligan did...
light years spoilers by Zeframillen	Mar 16th, 2007 11:16:42 PM
spoilers it may have been mention already, and i'm sure its already known amongst most people here... but if we ever get an approximate distance from galactica to earth based on the speed of light and the year "all along the watchtower" was aired. i love this choice of story twist! I FUCKING LOVE IT
if it was 1985... by DarthStallion	Mar 16th, 2007 11:19:24 PM
they'd probably be hearing "Heartbeat" by Don Johnson. Imagine Tyrol walking down a corridor, then suddenly he has the urge to start snapping his fingers, and singing "I'm looking for a heaaaaaaaaart beeeeeeeeeat!" TV magic, right there, folks...
or... by jimmy rabbitte	Mar 16th, 2007 11:21:28 PM
how about Black Cars (look better in the shade)... It could be Baltar's new theme song...
I could see Baltar... by DarthStallion	Mar 16th, 2007 11:24:24 PM
singing "Sunglasses at Night" by Corey Hart.
...or... by jimmy rabbitte	Mar 16th, 2007 11:29:29 PM
(last one because I really need to stop thinking about tunes from '85) Baltar could juke to (she's an) Easy Lover when he's drifting off into thought about Six...
uggh... by datachasm	Mar 16th, 2007 11:30:17 PM
im dying to look around in here, but im terrified that spoilers, even in the TB headers, will ruin the last episode for me!
No, no no and no... by pax256	Mar 16th, 2007 11:36:49 PM
They arent cylons that would be FAR too obvious. They are simply being linked for other reasons. I mean if blank gets linked to the opera sequence that we saw back on Kobol then blank would also be a cylon. There is another dynamic at work. Kara's dreams also would give as much credence to her being a toaster but now we have too many cylon models. Me suspects some spiritual angle not fully developped yet. Too many people having too many dreams\schizophrenic fantasies its not defacto a cylon identifier. I can see this spiritual angle giving humans some advantage they havent yet had and cant fathom getting otherwise. Yes its scifi and shit can get written up on a dime like they find an advanced earth and\or some uber teck to ward off the cylons in the future but wouldnt that also be too damn obvious? In this universe the cylons are swarming like locusts and we really need some original idea to placate, pacify, reconcile with or wipe them out.
So some folks could be Cylons... by LordEnigma	Mar 17th, 2007 12:28:06 AM
Or they could be something else. If the GODS created a virus to kill the Cylons. They could have figured out some other way with these four people to stop them as well. Plus; I'd rather those four not be Cylons. It would be a bit odd. Nevertheless, Kara has returned, and hopefully she is only in Lee's mind.
Maybe the message in the miniseries was wrong... by MisterE	Mar 17th, 2007 12:36:01 AM
...and there are actually only 12 human models. Maybe everyone else is Cylons?
ITS DIRK by crimsoncinder	Mar 17th, 2007 12:44:41 AM
Herc forgot to mention that is Dirk Benedict smoking a stoggie starbuck not the bitch I cant act starbuck.
Dirk cont. by crimsoncinder	Mar 17th, 2007 12:46:08 AM
Then they all land on Galactica beginning of season 4 and Lee and Starbuck share a man kiss.
Jump....the...shark. by uss cygnus	Mar 17th, 2007 12:54:53 AM
Get Doctor Zee and Dirk Benedict warmed up in the bullpen. It's all over but the whining.
Yet another Mole in Galactica CTU? by uss cygnus	Mar 17th, 2007 12:59:37 AM
Oh, please. The next thing you know, people will start hearing "All Along The Watchtower" and discover they're actually Cylons. Or, that Jack Bauer is actually the Imperious Leader, and Nina is Lucifer.
Anders a pilot? by adolphdrake	Mar 17th, 2007 01:24:59 AM
does this mean he'll be the new starbuck? also, in an interview a while back, i dont recall which of the two producers said that the revalation of the new cylons would make us question the very nature of cylons and what exactly makes a cylon a cylon. so this would make sense. quit bitching and moaning, this sounds amazing. if you dont like it, go write your own show.
ander's a pilot? by adolphdrake	Mar 17th, 2007 01:26:22 AM
grammar police.
That's a frak load of feldercarp by ShatirLavan	Mar 17th, 2007 01:46:22 AM
Gods, everyone and his retarded uncle is a Cylon these days. Are we sure there are any humans left at all? Or just a whole bunch of cylons who think they're human?
If you don't like spoilers STAY AWAY FROM THIS TALKBACK by Maniaq	Mar 17th, 2007 01:52:03 AM
Seems pretty obvious to me... So I don't buy this final four/final five bullshit. The whole point of the final five is that they have been BOXED. NONE of the other characters can be Cylons because ALL of the other Cylon models are sitting around IN PACKING CRATES!! I think Xena apologising to someone at the Temple of Five was a red herring - remember in the Colonial mythos those people aren't supposed to be Cylons and the Temple is "a pretty important part" of their beliefs. ...and they BOXED her right after (so technically it's the final SIX now) because she's got a few screws loose and she frakked it up for her whole line - oh and they're not allowed to talk about her EVER AGAIN! Sounds to me like they're resurrecting the Ship of Lights. That also explains Starbuck (DEAD MY ASS!) coz remember what happened to Starbuck in TOS and we all know Ron Moore like to.. err... "pay homage" to TOS whenever possible so I think that's what's going on here - it's got nothing to do with Cylons and everything to do with the "third faction" somebody alluded to before. Ship-o-lights also goes a long way to explaining the "new direction" they keep promising coz, you know, that's what they do every season, donchaknow? The only thing missing is the part where Dirk Benedict appears in Roslin's dream and tells her he's God...
first? by Ravengrey26	Mar 17th, 2007 02:44:00 AM
I can't brng myself to read it...
YATTA!!!!!!!! by The.Founder.	Mar 17th, 2007 02:47:33 AM
I FRIGGIN' KNEW it WAS A LIE!!! TIME TRIPPN' WORMHOLES AWAY!!!!!
Good points. by mrfan	Mar 17th, 2007 03:53:15 AM
Still, I find it hard to believe that many cylons are on board the Galactica. Getting tired of the "I think I am a cyclon or maybe not" routine. Those are way too many spoilers for one episode. Also, I hope they don't continue to bring dead people back. Seems to be happening a lot in sci-fi. I had hoped that BSG would not go that direction but the way things are pointing it looks like it will happen. Only two episodes left before the internet bithing begins.
Frak me! by bb6634	Mar 17th, 2007 04:27:03 AM
Wow... just... wow.
Froot Loop Vortex gotta eat by Christophe	Mar 17th, 2007 05:31:45 AM
SPOILER Baltar's the fifth, only instead of "Watchtower" he hears Bowie's "Starman", and Gaeta is head of Gaius's cult cuz he always stood by his man.
The final fi...errr...four... SPOILERS by Epsilon	Mar 17th, 2007 06:21:44 AM
Frak, why did I read it? Ugh. Well, a few things: We all knew Starbuck was not dead. We all knew Baltar would be found not guilty. I knew that Adama would end up being the one who wouldn't convict. So I didn't really spoil myself on those. Now, as for the cylons, those rat bastard producers are merely trying to tie in the "final four" of Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, and that chick with the NCAA final four. Anywho, I have mixed feelings about this. I can see the show doing it since none of those characters are main, core characters (even though Tyrol is close). However, here's what I don't get... So the cylons don't know that Tigh, et all, are cylons? Doubt they would have been eye-plucking him if they had. Bet they would have also been going after the Tyrol baby. Besides, the spoiler says that those four are horrified to "come to the conclusion" that they have been cylons all along. Well just because they came to that conclusion doesn't mean they really are. Doesn't it seem more cylon like for Rosilin, Sharon, and Six to all be having the same dream at the same time? I dunno, it's just hard for me to buy this final four angle.
TOO SOON!! by Pageiv	Mar 17th, 2007 07:22:41 AM
I wont read it.
Jack is one of the others? by EvilWizardGlick	Mar 17th, 2007 07:35:58 AM
Wait a minute this is the wrong show. damn sure sounded the same.
wow, now THAT is jumping the shark by SantiagoAtez	Mar 17th, 2007 07:55:55 AM
It's like R.Moore had a lottery to see which 5 characters were going to be the secret cylons. Like he was putting his hand in a god damn hat drawing numbers. Meh. MEH! MEHHHHHHHHHHHH!
The Song by agentf1	Mar 17th, 2007 08:38:55 AM
Bear McCready re-recorded All Along The Watchtower for the show, it's not like the characters are hearing the original Bob Dylan version or the Jimi Hendrix version, etc. In a show where we have characters wearing modern day business attire, they drive around in humvees, etc. the song choice is based on the meaning of the song. Look it up for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A ll_Along_The_Watchtower
I agree Jambiloo by SantiagoAtez	Mar 17th, 2007 08:48:48 AM
According to these spoilers, half the damn cast is a cylon. And it just doesn't make any sense. Anders and the Colonel have done so much damage to the cylons...and now, bam, everyone and their brother is a cylon. This is EXACTLY the problem with 24. If this is all true, then they are definitely making it up as they go along.
Not a Red Herring by Jambiloo	Mar 17th, 2007 08:54:35 AM
Maniaq said, "I think Xena apologising to someone at the Temple of Five was a red herring". I don't think so at all. I think everything points to Roslin being the Cylon instead of the other four, and Xena apologizes to the vision of Roslin's model. Like I said before, I don't think this is the real episode but something some fan made up (now that's a red herring for ya). What do we know about the president's past? Nothing except she was a teacher and a low level government official. She's never mentioned a family and only has one picture in her office (of Billy). Her cancer was cured by a Cylon half-baby. She's deeply religious like the Cylons are. I think that she's one of the final five and is afraid tht if she's found out that she'll be boxed too. So she's taken up with the remaining humans to stay as far away as possible from the Cylons. She's taken charge because she knows how they think and can evaid them. She may even be using sex (or sex appeal) to manipulate Adama just as Six manipulated Baltar to help attack Caprica. Everytime she sees a Cylon she immediately wants them thrown out an airlock because they might figure her out. And she's afraid of Baltar too, not because he's a Cylon, but because he's smart enough to figure it out too, which he will in the trial. That's why she didn't want to stay at New Caprica - she knew the Cylons would find them, so she left office and went back to being a teacher as to stay below the DRADIS when they did show up. So now she's rushing this trial for Baltar to get him dead as soon as possible and will accept the human loss just to save her identity. Or maybe I'm wrong and it'll be the pointless crap in the version we've been handed here.
agentf-1 by Tai_Pan	Mar 17th, 2007 08:55:03 AM
Clothing is different from a VERY SPECIFIC song. Since the colonies had the same point of origin, I would not be so surprised to find that clothing styles were near duplicates; I can suspend disbelief over something so trivial... but the Dylan song has no other purpose than to connect the characters with something that comes DIRECTLY from Earth. It's not something that was essential to human life that the audience was bound to accept as a crossover like clothing, food, transportation, etc. All these things have purpose that would otherwise make it very difficult to connect with the story. A Bob Dylan song has no such excuse; it is there to connect the show to Earth. Clearly, the characters are looking for Earth, the song is specific to Earth UNLIKE clothing, food and transportation, thus Galactica should arrive on Earth post-67 barring some time-displacement issues.
Possible Cylons by Tai_Pan	Mar 17th, 2007 09:04:41 AM
Jambiloo, I doubt the spoilers are fake. I always thought Tyrol and Anders were Cylons, but I never guessed the eldest member of the "four" would be a cylon. My guesses from looking at the picture in the eye of Jupiter were Anders, Cally, Starbuck, Tyrol and an unknown Male. Obviously, only one of either Cally or Tyrol could be a Cylon, but that is who they Final Five resembled IMO. I hear that the Five shown in robes were mere stand-ins, though. My final guess is Anders, Roslin, Starbuck, Tyrol, and a new character.
frack! by jedimindflayer	Mar 17th, 2007 09:34:17 AM
in-head starbuck.... now THATS a twist! it actually makes sense if you apply starbuck to the hybrid theory :)
Tai Pan, well we shall see. by Jambiloo	Mar 17th, 2007 09:34:29 AM
Tai Pan, well we shall see. :) Maybe these spoilers are real, but it just reads like every fanboy's fantasy to me. You want one cylon? We'll give you four. And not just any four, but four that people have been thinking it would be cool if they were Cylons since the season began. You want Cylons attacking and explosions and dogfights? Here ya go. Miss Starbuck do ya? Here she is. Wonder when they're gonna find Earth? Got that for you too. I think they've spent far too much time in character and plot development to just give in to what everyone wants to happen.
And a remake of... by Banditmania	Mar 17th, 2007 09:41:30 AM
Galactica 1980, where Adama leads the Space Scouts on thrilling adventures.
HOW THE HELL DID KEVIN SORBO by Freefinger	Mar 17th, 2007 10:12:36 AM
BECAME A CYLON!?!?!?!.. Damn invisotext... First Xena, now Hercules! Gods almighties! And Adama being a woman all this time! (And an ugly one at that) is incredible! Stay away from the invisotext if y'a don't want to learn that Lee is about to discover that he got herpies from Kara, that got it from .. well.. she went with so many of them that we don't know who, but Lee will give it to Sixth and she'll bring it back to the Mothership and iffect the rest of the Cylons! oh.. oups .. did I give that away just now.. Oh .. Not published yet, so all I have to do is not push this "post comment" button and all will be fine...
oups.. sorry... by Freefinger	Mar 17th, 2007 10:13:58 AM
I pushed the "post comment" button... BUT IT'S SO SHINNY! I COULDN'T RESIST!! LIKE A CYLON THAT SEES A 4 SLOT TOATER FOR THE FIRST TIME!! I HAD TO PUSH IT!!!
All Along the Watchtower by Jambiloo	Mar 17th, 2007 10:20:23 AM
Seems that Battlestar isn't the only show to feature Bob Dylan. “Cold Case,” 8 p.m. Sunday, WBBM-Ch. 2 What do Bob Dylan and “Battlestar Galactica” have in common? “Cold Case,” that’s what. Jamie Bamber, better known as Lee “Apollo” Adama on “Battlestar,” guest stars on this satisfying CBS drama as part of a group of former student radicals. Bamber’s character ended up dead in the ’80s in what had been classified as a gas explosion, but the "Cold Case" squad learns the blast was actually the result of a bomb. The story of how and why these former activists fell out of friendship with each other is intriguing, and eight Dylan songs form the soundtrack to the haunting episode.
See posted link below for pic of the final 5... by Freefinger	Mar 17th, 2007 10:23:44 AM
... of the final five picture from the show. They also posted who would be under the cloaks but it's their guess not actual series spoiler... Ok, tiny links is unavailable right now so copy, paste and remove any spaces between the following characters: http://www.flick r.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=413451 095&size=l
LA LA LA LA LA ALAAALALALALA! by scrumdiddly	Mar 17th, 2007 10:56:12 AM
NOT GOING TO LOOK! hyperventilates NOOOOOOO! Spoiler monkeys should be shot from a cannon into Iran!
Spoilers by VibroCount	Mar 17th, 2007 11:00:43 AM
I've never found spoilers to ruin the enjoyment of good books or good films or good TV. I like to anticipate the upcoming moment -- to watch the details of how the outline becomes the narrative. If I know what "Rosebud" is, I like the movie even more. ----- Just speaking for me, not anyone else. Thank you for the cool head's up on the next two episodes. Lots to watch and savor.
JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH DS9... by DECKERS	Mar 17th, 2007 11:14:55 AM
it says to Galactica stop being a big fat copycat..and Odo says hi.
Too Shocked to Hold Back by Herodotus	Mar 17th, 2007 11:15:42 AM
Seriously, does this make any sense from a story perspective? So half the cast are Cylons even though the existing Cylons barely get any story exposure unless they're of the sexy female variety. Of the new secret Cylons, some are the Cylons greatest enemies. Oh - and unless Cally is a Cylon there is another hybrid baby. And Gaius is now a Christ figure. And Starbuck is a Cylon Ghost from 1967 Earth. And Tigh gets a new Cylon eye, fresh grown. DOES THIS SOUND STUPID TO ANYONE ELSE? Seriously, WTF - is this how I really spend my Sunday? THink I'll go read a book...something with a coherent story and twists that have reasons and motivations beyond just trying to shock you. Damn - first LOST and now BSG - oh well...
Dylan and distance by Alientoast	Mar 17th, 2007 12:28:38 PM
All the song shows is that this is taking place post-1960s. For all we know, they could be 10,000 light years from Earth and got the radio broadcast 10,000 years after the fact.
So when will Season 3 dvd be out? by Floyd_Dylan	Mar 17th, 2007 12:52:22 PM
Can't wait to see it!
Stop saying that it's jumped the shark by Rapmaster C	Mar 17th, 2007 02:03:43 PM
Jumping the shark is when the show goes downhill from a certain point. But until we see the first few episodes of season 4, we have no idea whether this episode was indeed a JTS moment for the show. Everyone said that BSG jumped the shark with "Lay down your Burdens Part 2", and yet those same people loved the occupation arc. Let's not resort to the tired phrase until we see the aftermath of this cliffhanger. And I'm not sure I agree with the DS9 comparison, at least in this scenario. Assuming some of these characters are actually Cylons, the resulting drama will no doubt be a major focus of the show, whereas Odo turned to the dark side in "Behind the Lines" and yet was back to his old self two episodes later. There was no self-reflection or remorse regarding his inaction during the sabotage plot with Rom; inaction that almost doomed the entire Alpha Quadrant. With BSG, I'm confident that whichever characters are Cylons (I think one or two of them may be, but the others are a red herring) will be put through the wringer, as only BSG can.
Invisio-text this suckers! by vivavitalogy	Mar 17th, 2007 02:30:52 PM
The Kevin Smith cameo will kick ass.
Saul Tigh cannot be a cylon by SantiagoAtez	Mar 17th, 2007 02:36:06 PM
He fought them in the first cylon war, after their creation.
All of these spoilers were out last week. by AnnoyYou	Mar 17th, 2007 02:59:38 PM
I must say, the Cylon reveal sounds cheesy in the extreme. The only spoiler omitted from the ones circulating last week was the one involving Kara, and we all knew she would come back somehow. This doesn't seem too earth-shattering to me: we all knew Dee would leave Lee on some pretext or other (he has to have more sex with Kara) and we all knew Anders would have to be excised from Kara's life somehow (and now she won't want to be married to some frakkin' toaster and she has to have more sex with Lee). Everything is fairly predictable if one has been paying attention to the show's narrative.
They all die a tragic yet comical death. by vivavitalogy	Mar 17th, 2007 03:02:53 PM
I swear.
It's Jumped Because... by uss cygnus	Mar 17th, 2007 03:24:15 PM
1. Fake Death of Starbuck. 2. Everyone now is apparently a Cylon, which is like everyone is now capable of being a mole at CTU. It is cheap and ridiculous storytelling when you reveal that someone is a Cylon with NO previous evidence or hints that they were a Cylon, or could even possibly be considered to be a canidate for being a Cylon. Saul Tigh fought against the Cylons in the first war, after their creation. The technology to create him as a humanoid Cylon did not exist. Period. 3. Baltar is found innocent. It's patently absurd and ridiculously implausible. That would be like trying Osama Bin Laden and saying "there is a lack of hard evidence" that he is a terrorist. He should have been found guilty, but freed by his cult members in a prison barge or prisoner transfer break. Hell, have there be viper pilots and Galactica crewmembers who assist him. It's at least more plausible than finding the enabler of the greatest mass murder in human history walking free due to a "Lack of hard evidence". The New Caprica occupation was strikes one and two, now these Cylon "revelations" and Starbuck's fake death and resurrection are strike three. Get the Super Scouts on the flying motorcycles. It's over.
How Starbuck found Earth & Titus Pollo by jbs0209	Mar 17th, 2007 03:37:48 PM
When Starbuck found earth she was greeted by Titus Pollo as he rode a giant eagle to the stars. THIRTEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 17th, 2007 04:36:05 PM
I WILL NOT READ THE INVISOTEXT AND I WILL NOT READ THE TB UNTIL SUNDAY NIGHT. Thanks for understanding.
For anyone who read the spoilers.. by Freefinger	Mar 17th, 2007 04:36:26 PM
Ok, really, what the spoiler concerning the ones who were revealled as "Cylons" reads is that they "...come to the conclusion that they’ve all always been Cylons!" .. Not that they actually are cylons... Remember that Baltar sees things and as far as we know right now, he isn't one of them. So it doesn't mean anything right now. These spoilers are good, reeeeealllllll good, but they don't actually point anyone out, as being 100% a Cylon. The only one I was wondering if he/she was a Cylon gets to have the same dreams as someone and someone. Now that would be a good Cylon to have. We wonder who's next? Well we got some new questions now because of these spoilers, and I think it's fine. One thing that's pretty cool that I'm hoping they don't kill within 5 episodes, is the new Pilot training besides Seelix, of course we could see this a mile away too, but I think it's fine like that. Way too much time out in space for not to have some new pilots. I'm just wondering if they're still producing new fighter ships like the Black one they did in the first or second season... Hum.. They're about to run out of ships by my count... The whole trial thing, if you look at it, Baltar's defense will go straight to the fact that he had a gun pointed to his head that's a given. Which would make him "Not Guilty" for some, so could be the result of the verdit. The whole music thing.. I can't see the explanation right now... Will have to tune in to make sure I don't miss this conclusion!. Anyway those who will give in like me and read the spoilers, read them twice, sometimes the first read is not all clear and the second time around you read between the lines. Heck they might all be Cylons for all we know... Which would be .. well.. idiotic but I just hope that this trial thing does not take 2/3 of the show, ever since the freaking O.J. Simpson 24hrs a day 7 days a week trial I can't take listening to anything close to a court show or tv series.
They JUST now realise the Cylons are following them? by Negative Man	Mar 17th, 2007 04:41:20 PM
Bwahahahahaha!!! The Colonial military is the worst military ever!
Freefinger:RE:-Galactica running out of Fighters/vipers by Kai_Mah'gra	Mar 17th, 2007 06:04:11 PM
......you forget that they got a whole bunch of fighters and squadrons of new fighters (and raptors) from Pegasus when it was destroyed at the beginning of the Season. Not to mention Pilots as well. Granted it was a pretty convenient reset, but it still holds. In fact the argument might more likely be that Galactica (being one of the oldest Battlestars in the fleet) should not be equipped enough to be able to handle fighters and raptors from 2 Battlestars. But at the time it's also conceivable that neither Galactica nor Pegasus had a full deck of fighters (and Pilots) such that now Galactica probably has closer to a full deck of fighters than before. Besides which, I got the impression from the Stealth fighter episode in Season 2 that building a new fighter is no walk in the Park.
WIll RDM really "take these changes back" later? by Oberon	Mar 17th, 2007 06:54:46 PM
He's on the record repeatedly that this final story arc will fundamentally change the direction and nature of the series. Of course, he could be lying out his @ss...but somehow I suspect that at least some of these "revelations" will stick. P.S. Galactica may not be running out of vipers since she inherited all of Pegasus' vipers as well (Lee left them behind when he mounted his rescue attack). P.P.S. Older charcters as cylons cannot be ruled out, since while they were born well before the Cylons had the capability to make humanoid models, the Cylons could easily have infiltrated an identical model, killing off the human original and replacing him/her - a sort of Cylon invasion of the body snatchers, a scenario that cannot be ruled out.
Seriously to anyone. by mrfan	Mar 17th, 2007 07:47:48 PM
Are they making this up as they go along or is there an actual structure from beginning to end for this series? Has Moore and crew ever said either way?
Cylons y'all are wrong by EvilWizardGlick	Mar 17th, 2007 08:15:09 PM
First no one knows how long humaniform Cylons have been made. It could be a year it could be fifty. Roslin I brought all that crap already. You also forgot she was the presidents mistress, which could have lead to a honey trap secnario where she also learned the codes. And she continually does what SHE thinks best and NOT is best for the fleet. She is the W of BSG universe. We learned last week that Cylons feel TRUE love and TRUE betrayal. So when does a bot become human. We also saw, on Pegasus, humans acting non-human ( well human darkside). Factually we have been dealing with illusion all along and assuming that Cylons are TOTALLY evil each and every one. Reality is we keep seeing HUMAN divergence from form. Anyone recall the movie Angelheart? Think about how that may relate to BSG. What about the similarities between Sauls wife and Adama's? They could have been sisters. Oh and if there are "angels" that means there are other life forms in the universe. It doesn't matter if humans diverged from their line they are still as different as the Cylons are.
I agree, uss cygnus by PhillipMarlowe	Mar 17th, 2007 08:17:39 PM
I have lost all interest in this show, and I use to salivate over it...The occupation of New Caprica was the turning point for me...it's all been downhill after that...Believe me, it gives me no pleasure to say this.
I hope they finally make it to Earth by Rupee88	Mar 17th, 2007 08:35:28 PM
I can't watch a show where the whole point is that they are trying to get to Earth, but they will never make it there. That's like Lost where you know they aren't getting off the stupid island. But if do get to Earth, they could do a lot of cool storylines and maybe I'd start watching then.
Strange by ManosTHOF	Mar 17th, 2007 08:36:40 PM
I tend to believe that the characters who come to the conclusion they are Cylons aren't necessarily so, as stated by others on this talkback.
THIS is where the show went wrong... by Epsilon	Mar 17th, 2007 08:50:12 PM
Ok, I'm not one of the uber-whiners that thinks it completely sucks, but S1 and S2 ruled. S3...did not. Here's the problem: The time jump ahead 1 year. The moment I saw it I went, Oh Hell, Alias all over again. That s**t just does not work in a show. And like many have said, rather than moving the story forward, the producers seem to have been working their way back to wherre they were pre-New Caprica/time shift. I really hope they right the ship in S4, but I don't see it happening. This is still a good show, but its no longer "The best show on television."
MNG!!! by chromedome	Mar 17th, 2007 08:53:28 PM
spoilers are for the next TWO episodes--stay away until after that, I guess. I should have.....
Ok, here is definite PROOF for you frakking skeptics... by Epsilon	Mar 17th, 2007 09:04:21 PM
http://www.newsday.com/enterta inment/tv/ny-etbatt5130997mar1 6,0,7981717.story?coll=ny-tele vision-headlines Please note the Bob Dylan reference and the comment about people hearing things. Like it or not, its true kids, not just some fanboy fantasy.
Yeah, Freefinger's right. by Son of Batman	Mar 17th, 2007 10:15:36 PM
They're probably not really Cylons, they just think or say they are. I can just hear Tigh sarcastically say "We must all be Cylons, then." And then he punches Tyrol's baby.
The time shift wasn't the problem. by FluffyUnbound	Mar 17th, 2007 11:13:12 PM
The first four episodes of S3 are awesome. The problem is that the episodes after that largely sucked and lacked narrative coherence and urgency. You can really tell where they're stitching together the work of different writers. Someone gets handed an assignment for one show, so they invent something stupid that contradicts previous material and is a digression from the main narrative - Bulldog, anyone? And there's been so much more of that kind of thing in S3 than in S2 or S1 that everyone gets the vague sense that the show isn't going anywhere and has no real plan.
The key to Baltar being found Not Guilty is Adama by FluffyUnbound	Mar 17th, 2007 11:15:56 PM
Adama is on the tribunal, and you know the other captains will defer to him. And Baltar has to look Adama in the eye and say, "You ran. I thought we were alone on New Caprica. So I gave up." Just because jumping the fleet was what had to be done doesn't mean Adama doesn't feel guilty about it.
Mr. Nice Gaius by all your base	Mar 17th, 2007 11:20:46 PM
No need to read, i already spoiled you!
People, don't be so fraking dense! by Opinionated_Bastard	Mar 18th, 2007 02:08:32 AM
C'mon, people, think outside the box here! We're not looking at four members of the Final Five (Cylons) gathering in a launch bay tube. The Dylan song (as odd a choice as it may be) is resonating for these specific individuals whom are descendents of the Kobollian "gods" whom are beckoning them "home." They're drawn to the Galactica's launch tubes as it's a symbolic place to leave the ship. And as the siren song has done it's work, who shows up on DRADIS but Kara "Starbuck" Thrace - another whom also carries the lineage of the Kobollian "gods." Think about it: The classic BSG "War of the Gods" episodes with the Ship of Lights is being respun here. Starbuck's "death" never happened. Look at the light in her cockpit during her final moments: Intense and radiant. Given the thick cloud cover and Lee Adama's own darkened cockpit (a surprising metaphor that he hasn't "seen or embraced the light"), there's NO WAY Starbuck's cockpit should have been that bright. It was bright before the ship endured aero-friction and collapse. That Cylon ship she was chasing was visible to her alone - it was a manifestation intended to get her positioned for delivery to these other beings. It is their intent to save the last vestiges of humanity. The evolution and salvation of both races depends upon their mutual survival and integration. The Cylons cannot evolve without human example. Humanity cannot survive with their self-destructive natures. These evolved beings (what were considered Kobollian "gods" and "goddesses") went on to Earth. Their stake in humanity is huge. They have endeavored to evolve humankind just as they did with the robotic Cylons over 50 years before. They are the influence that has brought both sides to battle, sought to manipulate their development and created an "Eden" (eg. Earth) to bring both races together. Both sides are motivated to find this place. What they don't realize is: Their fate is pre-destined, pre-designed by these beings. Call it eugenics: The intent is the forced evolution of humankind into "the next level", thanks to the inclusion of Cylon biology/technology. And maybe these Kobollian "gods" are remnants of the prior efforts of higher powers which sought to do the same. The same cycle repeating with different results, but ALWAYS the intent to change humanity's course towards something... different. What does millions of years bring in the evolution of humanity? Change. But what if higher powers wanted to advance the change faster? And this is an ongoing experiment which does just that. Similar circumstances, an irresistable need to repeat certain things to set the stage for renewing the experiment. These four Colonials are NOT Cylons. All have risen to the challenge of their unique destinies, all have come together on Galactica. Something within them, genetically or metaphysically (or psionically), has allowed them to hear the siren song. I believe they are distant offspring or genetic carriers of those ancient Kobollians "gods". Interestingly, none of these four Colonials have held mundane positions in life; they have managed to excel in working with others. And they will unknowingly work for the "higher powers" that may reveal themselves next season as the truth about the Colonial/Cylon karmic circle continues its never-ending cycle. Who are the Final Five Cylons? The "gods" themselves, one of whom may reside amongst the fleet, such as D'anna was able to recognize. The gods will have created an "Eve" or "Venus" in their own image... it's Six.
Will not read invisotext...will not...will be strong... by Wldmk	Mar 18th, 2007 03:42:08 AM
/highlights invisotext.... ....AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH !!! Great Maker, why, oh WHY did I just read that!!! OK, on a more serious note, there are some things that seem to be "off" somewhat and frankly there's nothing here that i havn't been getting in the past two weeks (there's a whole scene-by-scene synopsis of both two parts already online, which i for one am avoiding like hellfire) - so until I see it all myself, i'll avoid any further commentary, as it's too soon to pass any proper judgement in my humble opinion. That, plus who knows - I get the feeling there might be a twist in the final aired second parter that we don't really know of and I wouldn't put it past them to do something like that, however slim it might be...
RE: Opinionated by Tai_Pan	Mar 18th, 2007 08:26:37 AM
Lay off the Crystal Meth. Ha, ha. Just kidding, though your passionate theory was amusing. I don't think that the kight in Starbuck's cockpit is enough evidence to say she was being taken by the Ship of Lights. That may be the case, but even so, the evidence is inconclusive as death is often tied to white light. I rather enjoy the theory that the 12 Cylons are the clones/reincarnations of the Lords of Kobol, in contrast to your theory.
the white uniforms and vipers by speak24	Mar 18th, 2007 10:17:28 AM
Is Starbuck's uniform and viper all white like in the original series when they were working or part of the ship of lights?
or maybe by ikensteiner	Mar 18th, 2007 10:31:44 AM
Or maybe one of the cylons, before they were discovered (just pick one) planted a device on the ship that would send these dreams into the minds of those people to make them believe they were cylons. You know just to fuck with them and the folks watching at home. BG's tech is so bad they couldn't detect an AM radio if they had too.
Wait, we learn the fate of by DeCypher44	Mar 18th, 2007 10:45:45 AM
Ellen Tigh? What did I miss? Also, Earth will already be colonized by the cylons once BSG reaches Earth.
Could it all be BS? by Mulchpuppy	Mar 18th, 2007 11:09:14 AM
Let's be honest. RDM is a magnificent bastard. Is there any possibility that he may have pulled a "Dark Angel" on viewers and released something that was a little off-kilter as opposed to what really is going to happen? That would certainly help explain why this information is out there in such detail and all over the friggin' place. Just a thought. I don't personally have any objections to these spoilers as long as they're explained enough to make some sense, and historically I think the BSG folks have been pretty good with explaining shit.
Mulchpuppy... by MisterE	Mar 18th, 2007 11:35:12 AM
Yes, they have become veritable masters of explaining, um, shit.
Spoliers****** by Mr_X	Mar 18th, 2007 11:58:23 AM
having read the inviso text... Dualla leaves lee over his defense of baltar? him, shagging starbuck wasnt enough of a reason? lee quits the milatary and comes back. lee disobeys orders and comes back.. jeez what kind of military is this? bob dylan overrated,its qa red herring. they've mistakenly come to the conclusion that they're cylons. starbuck back? wtf?
It's sunday by Chest_Rockwell	Mar 18th, 2007 02:13:29 PM
and we dont have a talkback for Rome, even though there's only 2 episodes left. But we get talkbacks for this and crap like SNL, which hasn't been consistently funny since the early 80's. Brilliant.
Would you like some cheese with that... by mrfan	Mar 18th, 2007 02:38:29 PM
whine Chest_Rockwell?
Maybe after I get done skullfucking your mom. by Chest_Rockwell	Mar 18th, 2007 03:26:43 PM
I'm busy right now.
THIRTEEN!!!! by jbs0209	Mar 18th, 2007 03:52:16 PM
Chest_Rockwell: As you finish with mrfan's mom make sure you scream THIRTEEN!!!! Give it to her for the Senate and People of Rome
Wrong by jbs0209	Mar 18th, 2007 03:53:07 PM
That was so wrong ... wrong of me.
I saw the episode too by Bugaboo	Mar 18th, 2007 03:55:24 PM
All the spoilers are true, and we are also led to believe that Rosyln is the 5th Cylon. It is a great episode... try watching it before making an opinion. And for those saying there were no signs of any of these characters being cylons? What about Season 2 when Tyrol beat the hell out of Callie for no reason and went to see Dean Stockwell where he kept repeating "I think I'm a Cylon"?
again, this is a very "24" like plot twist... by SantiagoAtez	Mar 18th, 2007 04:58:04 PM
...as in, it doesn't make any sense looking back through the series. Tigh being a Cylon...just doesn't make sense. He was alive during the first Cylon war. And Adama is there to prove it.
Isn't it obvious who's the Big Kahuna Cylon? by Pennsy	Mar 18th, 2007 05:31:51 PM
It's Sylar. Sylar...Cylon; they almost rhyme, therefore, mystery solved. ;)
Or, Mr. Muggles; take yer pick. by Pennsy	Mar 18th, 2007 05:32:22 PM

Same Old Same Old (Spoiler) by Roboteer	Mar 18th, 2007 06:16:22 PM
Seiously though, I'm so glad we had the big pity party last week for Starstruck. Boo Hoo Boo Hoo. Oh, it's so very tragic and sad. Only to have her arise from the dead the very next week! When viewers are toyed with like that and each story sees if it can be more silly and outrageous than the last, it's just another sign there is no direction on this series and it's very, very near the end. Why not go out with a bang next year guys, find Earth and with their help, do some serious cylon cleansing. Like THAT'S ever gonna happen with these writers. More likely some do-gooder sells out Earth for some jelly beans. Colonials have to be the stupidist residents of the galaxy.
I thought that cylon testing was in the first season. by mrfan	Mar 18th, 2007 07:51:46 PM
Didn't they start checking for cylons among the fleet and started with the military crew first? What happened with that? I can admit I am finding myself getting a little restless with the writing. It just seems to be repetitive. Whenever you need an instant plot twist then have someone be a cylon. Surely there can be some other new plot developments. Things like this make me understand why season four is only going to be thirteen episodes.
Time to hijack the thread to talk about Rome by FluffyUnbound	Mar 18th, 2007 08:21:48 PM
Last week, Pullo bit the tongue out of some guy's mouth and spit it back at him. This week, it is revealed that he's been keeping that guy alive in a cage in his bar for several years and feeding him table scraps to keep him alive. This is because Pullo is the baddest motherfucker ever. And Octavian's niece is now several years old, and Vorenus' kids still refuse to age.
A talkback about Rome, GA? Or Rome Snowboards? by Pennsy	Mar 18th, 2007 08:32:39 PM
Uh, no. :)
pursued_by_bear, the actual answer is 42. by Pennsy	Mar 18th, 2007 08:33:24 PM
Just like in Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy. That's the ticket!
I can't believe by Tai_Pan	Mar 18th, 2007 08:43:44 PM
people call this series predictable. If you think this show is predictable, then you are full of shit or you haven't bothered to look back on all the twists you never saw coming. The season has sagged in the middle, but it is still top notch... I hate DS9, Firefly and Stargate, and pretty much every sci-fi series that the last decade or so has produced because most of that stuff is utter shit, but this series is amazing as a hybrid social study thriller masquerading as Sci-fi.
In and out Rome post by NoHubris	Mar 18th, 2007 09:03:10 PM
TPTB should have stretched out the Octavian vs. Marc Antony conflict for a full third season. It would have been awesome and there is more than enough historical material to do so.
This is good stuff so far...... by Kai_Mah'gra	Mar 18th, 2007 09:20:17 PM
.....nice to see some Basestars after so long again.
Loving the scene btn Six and Tigh..... by Kai_Mah'gra	Mar 18th, 2007 09:21:22 PM
.....Grrrrrravitas
Great Scene by NudeandAroused	Mar 18th, 2007 09:23:40 PM
Seriously strong scene between 6 and Tigh.
"Kay, silence all. King of Gravitas is on the stand.... by Kai_Mah'gra	Mar 18th, 2007 09:27:40 PM
.....and this Lawyer dude is really good. Should get his own show or something. All his scenes have been top notch regardless of who was on the other side of the conversation.
Why they chose that song... by jccalhoun	Mar 18th, 2007 09:31:32 PM
On the 1st season cliffhanger commentary, Moore said they threw around the idea of playing Hendrix's "Purple Haze" at the end. So it seems a short leap from a Hendrix song to a song that Hendrix covered. I'm seriously not buying Tigh's a cylon since he fought the original cylons. I'm also getting sick of all this democracy stuff. The scene when the lawyer points out how few humans are in existence really makes it laughable to believe that they wouldn't put every man, woman, and child into the army. I know that the show likes to use the situation as a metaphor and to talk about social issues and stuff. However, the situation is just too dire to be playing around trials and strikes and crap.
Lawyer dude chews up and spits out another scene...... by Kai_Mah'gra	Mar 18th, 2007 09:34:11 PM
....like it was last night's Lasagna.
...^^^........that's a good thing by the way by Kai_Mah'gra	Mar 18th, 2007 09:35:29 PM
:)
Mary McDonnell... by AngelCordy	Mar 18th, 2007 09:49:34 PM
is the best thing on tv.
What good would it do by Tai_Pan	Mar 18th, 2007 09:53:08 PM
to have every "man, woman, and child" in the military when its a fight with spaceships that require specialized knowledge to operate?
Well... by Epsilon	Mar 18th, 2007 10:01:59 PM
I dunno, that weird buzz Tigh kept hearing was awfully Centurion-like. I'm officially excited about Galactica again. Hope the finale doesn't disappoint me. More importantly, I hope S4 doesn't.
Cylon SPOILER?!?! by mustang_dvs	Mar 18th, 2007 10:03:46 PM
Potential Spoilers -- I have not read the inviso text or the talkbacks... Just guessing from Pt1 and the Pt2 promo... ... ... ... ... My guess: Seelix, Anders and Tory are Cylons? ... ... ... ... ...
Strongly disagree with the "too dire" comment... by Epsilon	Mar 18th, 2007 10:05:49 PM
Why are people complaining about things like Galactica having a bar, about having democracy, a trial, a strike, etc. Anyone who knows anything about human nature knows that people will develop this stuff even in the worst circumstances. Its just human nature to have petty squabbles, to want to have fun, to have justice. These people have been on those ships for a long time now. In real life this kind of stuff probably would have started happening long before now.
Tai_Pan by jccalhoun	Mar 18th, 2007 10:07:00 PM
"to have every "man, woman, and child" in the military when its a fight with spaceships that require specialized knowledge to operate?" As we've seen in recent weeks they need people to work on ore refineries, and to fix the Galactica. That and the fact that they've had nearly two years to train people. The Pegasus conscripted civilians, but they haven't given any reason why the Galactica can't.
mustang_dvs you got Tory and Anders right... by Epsilon	Mar 18th, 2007 10:08:13 PM
Now just think about who the other one hearing the music was, and a fourth that wasn't outted in this ep.
Enough with the Adama Family Psychodrama! by EvilWizardGlick	Mar 18th, 2007 10:11:10 PM
Jesus Christ, you think the Adama Family would have resolved it's issues by now. Bill gave Lee a whole frakking ship to play with, and what does he get in return season one petulance! Just how many times has Lee fucked himself upwards now? Airlock Lee and get it over with before he becomes a Cylon out of sympathy.
Why reveal ALL five Cylons this season? by EvilWizardGlick	Mar 18th, 2007 10:13:57 PM
Roslin is this seasons Cylon. Stupid to blow the revelation wad in a season cliffhanger when it can be stretched through the next 13 episodes.
"We're cylons" by infra172	Mar 18th, 2007 10:14:08 PM
Could it be that "we" means all the colonials? Moore has said that the definition of a cylon is going to change. Maybe the colonials are the descendants of artificial lifeforms created thousands of years ago that have since forgotten that they're not human.
Yes Charlie Jade is missed. Regenesis anyone? by EvilWizardGlick	Mar 18th, 2007 10:16:49 PM
Great show. Missed much. Regenesis starts soon. No Primeval talkback. Another great show.
I think the "We're cylons" thing will eventually by FluffyUnbound	Mar 18th, 2007 10:17:03 PM
be shown to be a red herring. These characters will think they are cylons until some point in season 4 and then Moore will pull the old switcheroo.
The Season 4 Switcheroo... by NoHubris	Mar 18th, 2007 10:21:10 PM
...theory of mine is the characters having a connection to the Lords of Kobol instead of being Cylons.
I agree Glick by jocutus	Mar 18th, 2007 10:21:30 PM
They pretty much resolved these issues when Lee proved himself to his dad and got his own ship, which he then sacrificed to save his dad and the whole fraking human race. He doesn't have anything left to prove to himself or the Admiral. yet they keep rehashing it, again and again. And to make it worse, they make Lee out to be a dufus, a pawn of the shady lawyer who came out of nowhere and is using the most obviously manipulative moves on him. Writers, please stop making Lee into an idiot and just let someone, anyone on this show be a good guy once in a while.
jc by Tai_Pan	Mar 18th, 2007 10:26:57 PM
Ore refinery can, and apparently is, done by civillians. Part of the PROBLEM with Cain was that she was conscripting people against their will into the military. Previous episodes have already established that citizens with a piloting backgrounds are being trained, and as already pointed out, the Pegasus' fleet left the military with many trained pilots. It would likely be unnecessary to conscript pilots at this point, and no other military positions have been described as lacking personnel. Thus, there's no reason to complain about a lack of conscription when the show has not displayed a wealth of empty positions.
Jocutus by NoHubris	Mar 18th, 2007 10:31:33 PM
IMHO Lee is attempting to uphold constitutional order - or rather Articles of Colonization order because he knows it will inform the destiny of the human race. Lee wants to make sure that government responsible for the survival of humanity does not conduct a kangaroo court. Although he'll make mistakes along the way for sure - that appears to be his ultimate goal. Just a thought.
If Anders is a Cylon by badboymason	Mar 18th, 2007 10:33:43 PM
Then this show makes ZERO sense. So, one of the "final five" is a sleeper agent playing in the top pyramid leagues while they wait for the cylon attack. At which point he leads a human resistance against the cylons on post-nuke Caprica, meets a Galactica crew member, who then leaves and promises she will come back, eventually does and takes him to Galactica. What possible kind of Cylon plan would have been enacted for any of that to make sense? If he knew he was a cylon it makes no sense. If the "final four" did not know they were cylons, then the chances of all four of them surviving the Cylon attacks on the colonies were so astronomical it makes no sense either. I call bollocks - Tigh et al will simply find they are specially attuned to picking up some "earthly" signals - being picked up by Galactica's hull by the look of the end of the episode.
Lee and Adama by Tai_Pan	Mar 18th, 2007 10:34:28 PM
I disagree with the criticism directed towards the father/son aspect. I rather like where they are going with it. Yes, they have done this once before when Lee decided to help Roslin, but this time seems even more serious with Adama calling Lee a liar and accepting Lee's resignation without a hint of regret.
Law and Order: Special BSG Unit by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 18th, 2007 10:41:11 PM
Alright, I've managed to avoid reading the inviso-text and the TB. However, the titles of some of your posts have been really tough to keep out of my peripheral. Strong episode tonight...but it went by entirely too fast. It's hard to watch the growing schism between the Adamas. But it's interesting to see Apollo's 1st Season idealism come back with a vengeance. Makes me wonder if/how they will handle a reconciliation between father & son later on. (A Cylon attack is probably the most likely scenario.) I'll say it again: Romo Lampkin is a fantastic addition to the show. He steals every scene he's in. I wish they would have introduced him earlier so that you could get a better sense of Baltar's planned defense. It may have helped to better focus the past few episodes as well. Now, having not read the spoilers for next week's ep, I'll offer this - I don't believe Roslin is telling the truth. I believe she's got her own motivations regarding the extract and her cancer (not the least of which is her desire for a guilty verdict in Baltar's trial = she may have outfoxed Apollo on that note). Also, it looks like they are getting ready to reveal Tigh, Anders, and Tory as Cylons. At this stage in the season (and the show), I have to say that it feels a little contrived. Revealing multiple characters as Cylons? Especially Tigh?! For me, Tigh remains one of the best written and most compelling characters on the show. After everything we've seen him go through, having him turn out to be a dormant Cylon just doesn't feel right. But I must say, if ever there was a reason for him to get rid of that eye-patch, I'd say Cylon Resurrection was his best bet. Also, where the hell is Tom Zarek during all this? I feel like his character would have definitely stepped forward at this point. Looking forward to next week. I hope there are some surprises within surprises. So say we all.
Ok, so after tonights episode I'm done by Hervoyel	Mar 18th, 2007 10:42:32 PM
Loved the mini, enjoyed season one a great deal, started to get worried in season two. This crap is just bad and there's no real way around it.
Great episode! by BrowncoatJedi	Mar 18th, 2007 10:45:29 PM
Hey Hervoyel, you can go back to watching Deal or No Deal. We won't miss you.
Good point Tai_Pan by NoHubris	Mar 18th, 2007 10:46:01 PM
That's right. This IS a ratcheting up of what Lee did before when did what he knew to be right in helping Roslin. Nice catch.
RE: surprises within surprises by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 18th, 2007 10:46:23 PM
Just to clarify, when the ad for next week has Anders say, "We're Cylons", I don't think it's going to be that simple. While they may be trying to make it look like their Cylons, I have a suspicion that something else may be afoot. And the sound they're beginning to hear may have something to do with the Fleet getting closer to their destination = Nebula + Earth. Just a thought.
Maybe the final five aren't against the humans by Enderpilot	Mar 18th, 2007 10:49:26 PM
I don't wnant to spoil anything, but what if the final five actually played a key role in Galactica and the rest of the human race surviving and going to planet earth. Considering who they are, there is a solid argument that they could have been instrumental in the earth escape. Maybe they are unknown by the rest of the cylons because they betrayed the cylons and sided with the humans.
Jocutus, Lee is so Oedipal he did his mother! by EvilWizardGlick	Mar 18th, 2007 10:49:40 PM
It isn't about the law for Lee it's that whole Oedipal thing. Look it this way he has a crush on his dead brothers betrothed. He undermines his father ever chance he gets. The boy has some deep, deep issues going on. Maybe he can't live up to the dream, maybe it is about abandonment. But he still chooses to covet things he will never receive, and he KNOWS it. Things like a big Bill Adama everything is alright son daddy loves you hug. Or a big everything is alright Kara knows you have balls as big as daddy and bro hug. Or even to play on the inside with Bill Laura and Tighe. And to be honest Bill probably loves Starbuck MORE than Lee. Bill knows through experience how "sharper than a serpents tooth is a thankless child".
Oh yeah, all your base... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 18th, 2007 10:51:10 PM
...a thousand deaths are not enough for you! :^)
MNG by NoHubris	Mar 18th, 2007 10:52:55 PM
Wow - hadn't thought about Roslin lying to hide another agenda. I wonder what her reason could be? Feel the same way about the late reveal regarding so many Cylons in the crew/fleet, unless it's everybody as it has been said. Still, my hunch is a Lords of Kobol scenario.
NoHubris, Roslin by EvilWizardGlick	Mar 18th, 2007 10:58:18 PM
If Roslin is a Cylon, she and NOT Baltar gave the Cylons the codes. Or more likely Baltar was the backup source while she was the primary honeypot. She was the Monica Lewinsky of New caprica. From the very beginning she has had her own agenda. Just like the Cylons she was the ONLY one pushing to find Earth. It was a rabid drug induced fixation with her. A fixation so total and complete she nearly sparked a civil war. A fixation that caused her to rig an election because she didn't want the fleet to settle down. Once again subverting the law and the will of the people. How can you all be so blind to her agenda when ALL her previous acts total with the Cylon goals.
NoHubris by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 18th, 2007 10:59:38 PM
Good to see you. And you may be onto something with the Lords of Kobol thing. But is this show ready for a "3rd Party"?
Hopefully they killed off all of the superwomen. by superninja	Mar 18th, 2007 11:00:16 PM
There are too many on that show.
Potential Spoilers regarding music by DanSh1138	Mar 18th, 2007 11:02:21 PM
Screeners went out to the media on these episodes about 4 weeks ago so the info in the invisotext is probably somewhat accurate. The screeners were not finished/didnt have final VFX and probably temp sound/music track as well. MAJOR POTENTIAL SPOILER * * * * * * * * * * * The Bob Dylan "All Along the Watchtower" song in the screener is probably a temp track.. I keep hearing rumors that the music that Tigh/Anders/et al are hearing is the actual theme song from the original series and that ties into the end of the finale. * * * * * * * * * On a side note, it's nice to see Mary McDonnell play the uptight haughty holier than thou character, she comes off as kind of an ice-bitch in the show but in interviews she is really personable.
No thanks SkidmarkJedi by Hervoyel	Mar 18th, 2007 11:04:19 PM
I don't much care for Deal or No Deal. It's not my idea of good television either. Why is it that there's always some asshole who thinks that just because you don't dig the direction a show's going in you must be into bad television?
Interesting that the sound is like the teen cell tone. by EvilWizardGlick	Mar 18th, 2007 11:05:29 PM
Much like the teen cell tone the song can only be heard by certain people. It could be a genetic defect that was capitalized on by the lost tribe. Thus leaving a clue only few could find. That would mean all those people who hear the song are related genetically. A common ancestor somewhere in their past.
EvilWizardGlick by NoHubris	Mar 18th, 2007 11:06:20 PM
Remember that the priestess from Season One had so much faith in her because of the Chronicles of Pythia. However, you could be right.
NoHubris, priestess by EvilWizardGlick	Mar 18th, 2007 11:10:16 PM
Yes, but Roslin admitted to capitalizing on something she didn't beleive in to give the people hope. Adama grudgingly went along with the ruse. But what if it was a never a ruse on her part but an enactment of the Cylon plan. Maybe the Cylons even allowed the fleet to escape so it could be followed. You got to admit some of this has been way to easy. Fight just hard enough then fall back. What do Cylons have to lose, they get reborn.
Song, another take by EvilWizardGlick	Mar 18th, 2007 11:14:06 PM
So maybe those that hear the song are actually hearing broadcasts from earth. All those radio and television waves broadcast are floating around in the universe and only require a receptive device. You go far enough out and you can watch the original I Love Lucy broadcasts.
DanSh1138... by MisterE	Mar 18th, 2007 11:17:12 PM
They already used the original theme in the pilot miniseries for the new BSG. It played briefly during the Viper flyby when Lee was piloting Bill Adama's old Viper, I think.
Original BSG theme... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Mar 18th, 2007 11:33:53 PM
It's used as the Colonial Anthem in the new BSG. It's been heard twice.
Holy shit, that was great! by Billyeveryteen	Mar 18th, 2007 11:34:58 PM
Yeah, yeah music = Cylons, but... Anders is a nugget!?!
Hey Hervoyel! by Professor Krapp	Mar 18th, 2007 11:50:55 PM
I agree with you, except the show started to fall apart for me halfway through season one. What once looked to be great is now only occasionally good. And it pisses the fanboys off when we point that out. This is supposed to be a lovefest, don't you know?
The Fightin' Adamas by jocutus	Mar 19th, 2007 12:18:26 AM
NoHubris, I agree that there are some echoes of Lee's support of the President from the first season, but there was no danger of the Articles of Colonization being subverted or Baltar's rights being denied. They were already having the trial before Lee got involved and Baltar even has a top all-star lawyer, capable of twisting the Admiral's son around his finger. So now instead of Lee looking like a stand up guy he just looks like a pathetic tool of the lawyer, lashing out at Daddy. And The admiral looks equally dumb. What is he doing on the tribunal if he doesn't even understand the law or legal proceedings? On top of that he tells the defendent's lawyer(Lee) that he already considers Baltar a traitor who doesn't deserve a trial at all. Mistrial anyone? And Adama should know his son better by now that he wouldn't go around calling him a liar, etc. If he's gonna say something like that he should be much much drunker. The whole father-son story simply feels like a retread of stuff they did first and second season. And as far as the legal case goes, didn't anyone ever figure out that Ba

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