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A Teeny Tidbit More On THE DARK KNIGHT's New Batsuit??

BATMAN! by gorydon	Mar 9th, 2007 08:48:56 AM
NANANANANANANANANA------BATMAN !
I/me didn't mind the first suit by just pillow talk	Mar 9th, 2007 08:51:14 AM
But then again, I/me didn't read Batman, so I/me am not sure how it should look. Interesting how it may be a result of getting his ass kicked perhaps? Suit 'destroyed' perhaps?
Batman in tights! by everstranger	Mar 9th, 2007 08:51:33 AM
Yeah! Bring back more superheros in tights!
I knew the suit would be changing, but not how much by Doctor_Sin	Mar 9th, 2007 08:52:15 AM
Hmmm...what major plot point would force Batman into a new suit? Did the Joker fuck his old one up, or did Bats get caught with his tactical pants down and need a redo of the jammies?
Nipples=Flames on Shia LeBoeuf by Stallion_Cornell	Mar 9th, 2007 08:52:33 AM
Batman gotta eat.
and the bat dance! by everstranger	Mar 9th, 2007 08:53:20 AM
Yeah! Bring back the bat dance too!
He needs some of that... by gorydon	Mar 9th, 2007 08:55:29 AM
Shark repellent on his belt. Just in case he and Robin get attacked by a shark. That's like a normal thing for Batman.
Shia laBouffe is Robin by everstranger	Mar 9th, 2007 08:55:47 AM
My fortune teller confirmed that to me this morning...
The Yellow Emblem by Jam Banjo	Mar 9th, 2007 08:58:45 AM
Wouldn't it be changing the emblem to a more prominent Bat on a yellow Background plate, to draw a gunman's attention and make them aim there - as it is the most heavily shielded part of his suit?
Too Venomy!! by boba_rob	Mar 9th, 2007 09:00:53 AM
I didn't mind the old suit either. It made sense. Real military and police vests are bulky.
I also kind of liked the Batsuit from "Begins" by Datascream	Mar 9th, 2007 09:02:07 AM
Bale was at least able to turn his head. Check out the special features on the batsuit on the Batman Begins special features disc and they mention Bale wanted that ability because of the old Tim Burton version. Plus it looked practical.
I like how its incorporated into the plot by SPECTRE Agent	Mar 9th, 2007 09:02:51 AM
I always hated when something is upgraded between films and no one mentions it.
i find it uncomfortable... by datachasm	Mar 9th, 2007 09:03:02 AM
... that a he/she is working on Batman... thanks!
Raises more questions that it answers. by Gwai L0	Mar 9th, 2007 09:10:02 AM
And I myself have a question. Anybody want to tell me what page number of Zombie's Halloween script the GOTTA TAKE A SHIT MASK appears on? I have the script but don't want to read the whole thing.
Sounds.. by kbass	Mar 9th, 2007 09:11:15 AM
like the suit is a little too Venomy for my tastes. Sorry. Wrong thread.
It always bothered me by Franklin T Marmoset	Mar 9th, 2007 09:11:33 AM
that in a film that strived so hard for believability they put the hero in a suit that looks like it's hard to walk in let alone fight gangsters and whatnot. Also, what's he got, a catheter in there? Poor guy must be pissing himself all the time. I hope they streamline it a bit for this new one. Also, the geek in me would love to see the yellow and black oval logo.
The Bat-suit should function AND look freakin' COOL!!! by JDanielP	Mar 9th, 2007 09:12:19 AM
But don't stray too far. And I'm touchy about the Bat-ears ...because they can look either great or REALLY BAD.
Nipples on Shia LePrime gotta eat, Jerry Bruckheimer! by jolaz	Mar 9th, 2007 09:16:26 AM
As long as it doesn't look like the suit from the Batman Beyond cartoon, I'm fine with it.
It kind of ... by jimmy rabbitte	Mar 9th, 2007 09:19:37 AM
makes sense that Bruce Wayne would develop and change his Bat suit as time goes along, for practical reasons. The only way to really lose credibility would be by adding nipples and butt cracks to it. ...and since Schumacher is nowhere in sight we're, hopefully, going to be spared that nonsense.
http://films.thelot.com/films/30 017 by Blueballs333	Mar 9th, 2007 09:20:45 AM
Check out the link......
Always felt Batman shud've a bit of Vadar about him... by redtom	Mar 9th, 2007 09:20:46 AM
... as in being taller and imposing and sort of lordly like... hopefully the new suit will reflect this a bit...
Nipples and dimples and cracks oh my!!!! by Big_Bubbaloola	Mar 9th, 2007 09:21:53 AM
I agree that basing the bat suit on existing or near future tech was a good idea. As JDanielP said, be careful with dem ears.
Hopefully, the important plot point by Franklin T Marmoset	Mar 9th, 2007 09:23:10 AM
will be when The Joker uses his freeze ray in the Gotham museum, and Bats reveals the retractable ice skates in his boots. That, I think, would be a fitting tribute to the Schumacher classics on which this Batman series is based.
Look at the unit on that guy! Is that Prince? by uss cygnus	Mar 9th, 2007 09:26:58 AM
Holy Robert Mapplethorpe, Batman!
No yellow and black oval logo by erichaislar	Mar 9th, 2007 09:29:37 AM
I hate that fucking thing. They haven't used it for years in the comics anyway.
What's the truth regarding Katie Holmes in the sequel?! by JDanielP	Mar 9th, 2007 09:31:38 AM
I'm not especially thrilled (to be reading) that she's "working out" for her role in the sequel. But I suppose that ONE optimistic way to look at it is that... she might be getting some self-defense tips from Bruce... and she just wants to convey what she's learned. And besides, ...I wouldn't replace her with another actress. If she wasn't to be in this, then they should establish her death right from the beginning. Fish her (character's) body from the Gotham drink or something. Add to Bruce's personal motivation and determination. (If they're planning for the next Bat-girl, then we're in trouble, folks. But Nolan is smarter than that. Right?)
Batman's a RUBBERNECKER! by aceattorney	Mar 9th, 2007 09:32:09 AM
I hate the rubber neck.
Well by THE KNIGHT	Mar 9th, 2007 09:33:36 AM
I liked the suit in Begins... thought it served its purpose and it looked great.... Just saw the Prestige too... that Nolan I tells ya... Great director...
so is katie holmes in or out? by hesky75	Mar 9th, 2007 09:37:59 AM
because the article makes it sound like shes in!!!!
Model it on the first suit by kingoflight	Mar 9th, 2007 09:42:00 AM
And by that i mean the first batman micheal keaton FTW
No, wait, I changed my mind by Franklin T Marmoset	Mar 9th, 2007 09:43:16 AM
Halfway through the film, Batman changes into his GOTTA TAKE A SHIT SUIT! That makes perfect sense, now I think about it. Nobody tell Gwai LO what page of the script it happens on.
Joker Face Cutting by RainesMaker	Mar 9th, 2007 09:44:16 AM
I gotta source that says in the script Joke slices his cheeks Pan's style to extend his smile... freaky.
WHY!!!!! by Russman	Mar 9th, 2007 09:49:39 AM
Why do they always have to make changes!!
Bale's the first actor with the right kind of build by Snookeroo	Mar 9th, 2007 09:50:11 AM
to not NEED a rubber suit. Put him in a cloth suit -- that makes more sense. Having Batman run around in a stormtrooper outfit always seemed too cumbersome. Make the face area of the cowl rubber, but the rest of the cowl cloth, like it's drawn in the comics. At least that way he could turn his head, for cryin' out loud.
All I want from the new batsuit.... by BillyBatts	Mar 9th, 2007 09:52:32 AM
Use CG to make his eyes glow!!! Damnit! It would look so cool. Irises are for suckers.
This is aweseome... by fractureJonze	Mar 9th, 2007 09:58:36 AM
I want to see a cloth suit, like the tv show, only DARKER. And make the mask like Jim Lee's Batmin please.
Half way through, we get nipples on the batsuit by Pete Schwette	Mar 9th, 2007 10:02:20 AM
This time around we get a logical explanation why, however
Shia LaBeouf!!!!! NOT IN INDY 4!!!!!!! by erichaislar	Mar 9th, 2007 10:04:57 AM
YAY! Are Prayers to the movie gods have been answered! http://www.darkhorizons.com/ne ws07/070309k.php
The cloth suits make you look fat. by rev_skarekroe	Mar 9th, 2007 10:07:04 AM
The guy in the "Dead End" fan film was a bodybuilder or something, and he just looked chunky in that costume.
i didn't like the suit in begins, but, by OneintenMan	Mar 9th, 2007 10:08:25 AM
it made sense. The suit would start off bulky and he'd slowly refine it. I hope the ears are longer though.
Good! I fuckin' hated that massive neck by Steve Rogers	Mar 9th, 2007 10:09:48 AM
The costume in Batman Begins was a let-down, and a shame cos most of the rest of the flick rocked (Bale's bat-voice was kinda stupid at times but hey, he was a great Bruce Wayne). I'll be glad to see the back of the massive rubber neck and inability to turn his fuckin' head. Too much rubber everywhere. I was a bit surprised why, as they were re-booting everything, they stuck with the stupid OTT rubber look. A more cloth-like and flexible Batman would be awesome.
Its probably a mechanical suit by iwontwin	Mar 9th, 2007 10:32:32 AM
Somekind of battle armor suit. I don't know how well batman works in reality without a bulky suit...he is only human, he needs protection.
just a suggestion by purplemonkeydw	Mar 9th, 2007 10:34:07 AM
try a nipple look, I think the fanboys will like it
I'd be more impressed if just for once they announced by ExcaliburFfolkes	Mar 9th, 2007 10:51:06 AM
...that they weren't going to change the darn thing. Do the makers of the Batman films have some sort of vendetta against continuity?
White Batman Suit?? by boyblue	Mar 9th, 2007 10:53:38 AM
The White Batman suit in the Current "The Batman" cartoon series kicked ass!! But PLease no Nipples!!
The whole rubber suit thing started because by Snookeroo	Mar 9th, 2007 10:54:48 AM
Tim Burton has a rubber fetish. Name a Tim Burton movie that doesn't have tons of black rubber. And pale people.
ok, well, Tim Burton has a rubber fetish and by Snookeroo	Mar 9th, 2007 10:56:28 AM
Micheal Keaton had a whimpy build.
ExcaliburFfolkes by boyblue	Mar 9th, 2007 10:57:51 AM
Dude, Its all to do with marketing! This just means I have to buy a whole new set of Batman toys for my Kids rather than just buy the figures of the new characters to go with all the last films figures. I just hope they dont change the Tumbler!! I had to buy 2 of them, one for each Kid and since it came in 2 colours I had to get both!!
EARS that point OUT (making a "V" from chin) ...suck!!! by JDanielP	Mar 9th, 2007 11:02:55 AM
Anything before '89 "BATMAN" isn't even worth mentioning, here. But of all the Bat-suits represented in the movies thus far, the least likable of the Bat-ears are in "BATMAN BEGINS", as the ears point inward. It's not that Bale's costume ears were tragically horrible. However, they gave an optical illusion of being a bit off, ...not perfect reflections of each ear, ...when seen from a particular angle. (I'm a stickler for details.) I'm just saying that they can do much better. I feel that if they stay within the art-style of Jim Lee, Marshall Rogers, Neal Adams, and/or Alex Ross, ...then we've nothing to worry about. Just as long as, in the end, the Bat-suit is something we would all like to wear. (Perhaps on Friday and Saturday nights?) (heh,heh) They can make the Bat-ears angle or slant or even curve, ...but as SOON as the ears point OUTWARD, where the points are further left and right than Bruce's own head, it begins looking ridiculous. If we get Bob Kane's style of Bat-ears, I'm gonna shoot myself. That, or wait to rent this on dvd.
Fanboy's love nipples , gray t-shirts and lame idea's by jaycieboy	Mar 9th, 2007 11:03:53 AM
So listen to them. I thought begins was great. The suit looked just right.
ACT II BATSUIT CHANGE = BUMBLEBEES ORGANIC WEBSHOOTERS by Pound Sand	Mar 9th, 2007 11:07:45 AM

I like Maggie Gyllenhall by Jor-El23	Mar 9th, 2007 11:09:21 AM
she's attractive, great actress etc...but why do they still need Rachel Dawes? Maybe it's just because Katie Holmes is such a bad actress, but I found the role to be extremely irritating and pointless. They should have used that opportunity to introduce Harvey Dent from the very beginning instead of making it a pointless, pseudo-romantic interest for Bruce Wayne. Or they should have killed Rachel off in the first movie just to piss Batman off even more.
The first suit was fine by Immortal_Fish	Mar 9th, 2007 11:17:48 AM
Does Bale have to speak like a Baldwin brother when he's wearing the cowl?
Good point, boyblue. by ExcaliburFfolkes	Mar 9th, 2007 11:17:54 AM
I had forgotten that now days it is all about the merchandise tie ins.
Batman BodyArmour by Maegnarval	Mar 9th, 2007 11:31:53 AM
Ok, so they change the suit. It's only logical as Technology advances & simply cuz Bruce Wayne wants a new look. I could care less if the suit had nipples or balls, so long as it looks cool. Going back to Batman wearing a Unitard made of cloth or a mask made of cloth or rubber-looking just does make sense, simply because that would leave one more vunerable to guns & knives & other weapons. Though i would not mind seeing an update of the old blue-gray-yellow suit from the 1960's TV Show! Sort of like a BatSuit he'd only wear during daylight & out in public...... Also, would like to still see the Tumbler Batmobile again. Maybe reintroduce the Batmobile from the Micheal Keaton 1st Batman movie. Like show him needing a heavy armor car & designing it & using it near the end of the next movie. Then bring back the other 3 batmobiles from the Returns, B&R & B4Ever.... Eventually, have a Shot in the Batcave were we see a garage of the different batmobiles... Heck, Bring Back the Car used in the 1943 Batman Serial even....
When BB came out, they were saying this by Doctor_Sin	Mar 9th, 2007 11:32:15 AM
Nolan said the suit would get a revamp as Bruce Wayne got more into being Batman and would get sleeker.
loved begins by BLWiseass	Mar 9th, 2007 11:39:49 AM
but i would also like to see a more agile batman, so adding flexibility to the bat suit is great by me.
"so is katie holmes in or out?" by Osmosis Jones	Mar 9th, 2007 11:49:38 AM
I'd like to give Katie a bit of the old in-and-out...
Umm... by Marwood 1974	Mar 9th, 2007 11:52:06 AM
..acid, maybe? Given that Dent and Joker are in it 'n' all, it seems to make sense - plus it would eat through the Batsuit pretty quickly...
Cool. I bet the suit is going to get more theatrical by superninja	Mar 9th, 2007 11:59:37 AM
aka comic bookee!
Will there be gonads? Like the Silver Surfer? by kinghenryVIII	Mar 9th, 2007 12:01:41 PM
Just jokes - I trust what they'll do sincBegins was so fucking awsome! As long as it doesn't transform into a VW bus .... can't wait.
I'm guessing Bats' arsenal is gonna be more advanced by dr_buggerlugs	Mar 9th, 2007 12:02:08 PM
so having an evolved Bat-suit makes perfect sense and for once it may have a story reason, not because Joel Schumacher has a thing for silver rubber in his last acts (the matching suits of B&R are a sartorial masterpiece however)
They need Dawes because they're going to cack by superninja	Mar 9th, 2007 12:07:51 PM
her to push Bruce to the edge. The Joker and Batman kind of feed off one another. That's why I think the suit may get some kind of techie explanation but it's going to come out more theatrical.
It'll still have armor, but.. by kafka07	Mar 9th, 2007 12:13:00 PM
I heard it will be "fabricy" as well.
will it be a half-batman half-joker costume? by Bob C. Cock	Mar 9th, 2007 12:16:10 PM
that music video rocks.
mOrE aGiLiTy = The Batusi !!! by Douche Baggins	Mar 9th, 2007 12:34:09 PM
Says she wants to dance coz she likes to groove, so come on Batso and just bust a move.
Holmes dropped out huh? by FilmNerdJamie	Mar 9th, 2007 12:35:42 PM
As far back as late June 2005, IMDB reported Holmes had been fired from THE DARK KNIGHT...even though she had already signed up for multiple sequels. Of course, this was b/c all the 'TomKat' insanity, and WB wanted to wipe their hands clean of her...and obviously Cruise by association. Now we hear she voluntarily "dropped out" of TDK (a guranteed blockbuster when its released next summer) to be in a Diane Keaton/Queen Latifah comedy instead? Bullshit!
And it'll sell more toys! by Kraken	Mar 9th, 2007 12:48:42 PM
You can't have the same suit design from film to film because then you can't come out with a new action figure. It's the same reason Venom doesn't look exactly like the Venom in the comics, because then you couldn't sell the movie-version Venom in stores. Cross promotion and merchandise sales is a big deal to franchise movies like this. So that's why you'll more than likely always have changes to design in the movie version of things that also have toys coming out (ahem, Transformers). That's a totally cynical perspective I know, I realize that it also has to do with making comic book/cartoon designs more realistic for film... but it'd be naive to believe that the merchandise side of it doesn't also push those kinds of decisions as well.
Blueballs333 by Darth Hater	Mar 9th, 2007 12:53:41 PM
stop wasting my time with links that have nothing to do with the tread. It only hurts your cause and promotion of said movie because i will associate it with the anger caused by you wasting my time!!!! NOW DIEEEEEEEE!....eh, I mean, thanks.
But.. it will have nipples right?? by quadrupletree	Mar 9th, 2007 01:02:36 PM
You can't have a bat suit without nipples!
Nananananananana Nananananananana Spider-Man! by Johnno	Mar 9th, 2007 01:05:40 PM
Spiderman! Here comes Peter on a clothesline but his name's not Peter it is Spider-Man! Spider-Man! C'mon Lois let's get busy maybe in the garden right here Spider-Man! Spider-Man! Touch my can wave your hand Spider-man!
Just ditch the fucking rubber by MrJJonz	Mar 9th, 2007 01:05:58 PM
I thought this was meant to be based on a comic called Batman. Oh but he needs rubber because he would be vunerable to bullets and knives . . .strange 'cos he didn't need it in the comics. I don't see Supes flying round in a radiation suit to block the effects of Kryptonite that someone may have. This is Batman . . .can we please have a Batman suit like the comics?
Gyllenhaters can suck a fuck. by Teh Suk	Mar 9th, 2007 01:13:57 PM
And how does one suck a fuck exactly? Batman Begins was THEE BEST SUPER HERO COMIC BOOK TO MOVIE ADAPTATION EVER PRODUCED. All the people hating right now wouldn't believe it if 10 years ago someone told them the caliber of actors in these films. Nolan did THEEEEE BEST SUPER HERO proudly in this movie. The next one will be even better. Mark my words, The Dark Knight will mortgage your asses. The Dark Knight will send you to private school for juvenile delinquents. The Dark Knight will fill in your "This is Your Life" book your moms started when you were born then got bored with 6 weeks later when her tits chapped.
nipples nipples, nipples nipples nipples by triplefive	Mar 9th, 2007 01:15:24 PM
nipples nipple nipples? nipples nipples! nipples = nipples nipples
Teh Suk by MrJJonz	Mar 9th, 2007 01:16:55 PM
The best comic book to movie adaptation ever??? No - Sin City is
OT: AMC is proudly presenting Halle Berry's CATWOMAN by YackBacker	Mar 9th, 2007 01:19:07 PM
WTF is this world coming to? I'm fucking baffled. They are going to present "making of" features, etc. Un-fucking-believable. I need a drink. (As for Bats' new suit, oh hells yeah!)
How about the Hulk Hogan Mobile from "Begins"? by JackPumpkinhead	Mar 9th, 2007 01:19:19 PM
Will that abomination be changed into something resembling a Batmobile this time?
Suits you, Sir! by Cult Exiter	Mar 9th, 2007 01:19:54 PM
If you want to start making acquintance with cognacs, i recommend LARSEN VS... when you're done with VS, naturally VSOP follows... And when you reach XO, remember, they're not necessarily better. So much depends on the brand (the maker), and of course, your taste, good or bad. I'm a poor man financially, but if i should die tomorrow, I have enjoyed the some of the best things in life... You can't quote without permission, sorry. P.S. Go, Batman!!
Naturally, nipples... by Fecal Debris	Mar 9th, 2007 01:21:35 PM
...would be the first thing brought up here when you discuss the batsuit and its various incarnations. I wonder what the plot point is that necessitates a change? Does Bruce get caught chasing bad guys, and suddenly he has to grow a brown tail, and he realizes how cumbersome the suit is? How about armor-proofing? Is the original "spelunking" suit from "Begins" bullet-proof? If not, I'm guessing that's it. Joker shoots him or something, and he decides well damn, I gotta fix that. Plus add nipples and a NAVEL
I AGREE MrJJonz which is why I said SUPER HERO comic by Teh Suk	Mar 9th, 2007 01:22:39 PM
See...I got ya there. We agree. So says teh suk. I loved Sin City. Can't wait for another one.
Ah touche Teh Suk by MrJJonz	Mar 9th, 2007 01:25:52 PM
But you didn't say live action so I go for Mask Of Phantasm
Ill Douche, MrJJonz by Teh Suk	Mar 9th, 2007 01:39:19 PM
That I did not. I agree with you on Mask of Phantasm. Seriously though, I really have come to the conclusion that the best Live Action Super Hero Comic Book character movie adaptation is Batman Begins. I have seen it high and sober and it's good both ways, so there you go.
Yes, they are changing the suit to sell more toys by Snookeroo	Mar 9th, 2007 01:42:09 PM
That's why they make these movies. Although, someone mentioned a good reason why Batman ditches the former costume -- perhaps he gets spritzed with Joker's acid, and it ruins the old armor.
The Dead End suit sucked major ass!! by football	Mar 9th, 2007 01:48:03 PM
That bargain-basement cheap costume was almost as bad as the low-budget 1949 Movie Serial one. Cloth just looks camp, flimsy and only fit for kiddie trick 'o' treat night outs. I liked Begins suit but also see the need for a mk2 followed by a mk3 and mk4... just don't make it look like a guy in a tight sock, that's all!!
Costume Spoiler by Doggus47	Mar 9th, 2007 01:48:46 PM
Is a costume spoiler even possible?
Maybe the Joker "spelunks" all over the suit... by S-Mart shopper	Mar 9th, 2007 01:56:57 PM
Brokeback style!
Bigger codpiece = Better crimefighter by Doctor_Sin	Mar 9th, 2007 02:00:44 PM
"Alfred, my cock needs room to swell up when I bust criminals." "Quite so, sir." "Watching some crooks get arrested just makes me pop a chubby." "Most definitely, sir." "Alfred...?" "Yes, Master Bruce?" "Call Rachel - have her meet me at the docks - I hear there's a big shipment of drugs coming in and I'm gonna bust the whole gang...I will need release afterwards." "I understand, sir."
Jeff Bridges=Obadiah Stane by MCVamp	Mar 9th, 2007 02:03:50 PM
Just confirmed on ign.com. ON THE BALL.
BSINO!!! BSINO!!! BSINO!!! by S-Mart shopper	Mar 9th, 2007 02:08:51 PM

Batman had a beer and cheeted on his wife by dolphin561alpha	Mar 9th, 2007 02:15:24 PM
Hence the chick swap. What? You all didn't know?
Maybe someone at Wayne Enterprises.. by Norman Bates	Mar 9th, 2007 02:19:19 PM
figures out the Batsuite looks just like Nomex Survival Suite...idk.
Let me go ahead and fix my own spelling by Norman Bates	Mar 9th, 2007 02:25:12 PM
Batsuit* or is it bat-suit? fixing error about fictional objects, what fun!
oh fuck by Norman Bates	Mar 9th, 2007 02:28:51 PM
Nomex Survival Suit* Don't break your arm people, it will fuck up your internet use severely. =(
"Hey that looks like the Nomex Survival Suit!" by Doctor_Sin	Mar 9th, 2007 03:07:54 PM
"And - that looks like the Tumbler! Wow - must be an inside guy at Wayne Ent. to get the plans for those! Maybe he has help on the inside. Ha. Better be independently wealthy to run around fighting crime all day....hey...wait a minute!"
Or is this like "Zorro the Gay Blade" by Doctor_Sin	Mar 9th, 2007 03:09:30 PM
Where a long-lost look-alike gay cousin shows up and "takes over" for Batman wearing campy variations on the Batsuit. Like gold lame', hot pink, lavender, etc.
Reasons Bats needs a new suit: by Calico Pete	Mar 9th, 2007 03:16:23 PM
1) He had fathead syndrome in BB. 2) As apparent in the scenes in Arkham, Bats lumbers along when he walks/runs. BatMAN does not lumber. 3) As apparent in the warehouse fight, the suit hinders the actor's mobility and ability to handle sophisticated fight choreography. The suit is as cumbersome as the Thing costume in FF. The only way they could show Batman taking on a bunch of thugs at once w/o it looking as ridiculous as C3PO taking on the Jedi Council, is by shooting the scene in the shadows and editing the crap out of it. If there's any hope of SEEING Batman fight like he did in TAS, the suit mmut change.
re Batman Dead End by DocPazuzu	Mar 9th, 2007 03:24:43 PM
Yes, there were a lot of things wrong with it, but it was just basically a fan movie. That having been said, I think the cowl used in BDE may be the best one yet.
Harvey Dent, unconscious & tied to his overturned chair by JDanielP	Mar 9th, 2007 03:27:24 PM
...burns in a rising puddle of Joker acid (thus the division on his face). That's what I had going in my screenplay (only practice), "Drowning in Laughter", with Batman unable to help Dent. And I had goosebumps in visualizing (witnessing in my mind's eye) Dent's emotional transformation. Just before Harvey Dent gets his chair-leg kicked out from under him (by the Joker) and knocks his head on the concrete floor (of an abandoned factory building), the Joker reveals Dent's wife and son behind a HUGE shower curtain, where their bodies still sway, having been hung to death. (Shot of Dent looking upward with the feet of his wife and son dangling in foreground, while the Joker cackles.) I was attempting to instill in Harvey a rage towards Batman for not being there when he and his family needed him most, which, in a way, was a given within their partnership. Hey, it was a fun idea while it lasted. And I loved the movie poster idea, ...with the Joker in a dark room, bent over and looking in a lighted fishbowl, which distorts and lights his face in a cool way. Kind of adding a visual mystery to how the Joker would look in the movie. And the Bat-signal revealed in the window. Fun, even without the chance in hell.
doesn't matter by sokitome	Mar 9th, 2007 03:38:30 PM
heath ledger as the joker ruined this movie months ago. The fact that there are people who think that overrated hack can be the joker is delusional. This movie will blow.
Thank god! I hope they drop the whole "body armor" look by Flim Springfield	Mar 9th, 2007 03:38:58 PM
James Bond doesn't need body armour. Indiana Jones doesn't need body armour. BATMAN doesn't need body armour!
Batman changes suits halfway through, and it's by Style_92	Mar 9th, 2007 03:47:56 PM
a major plot point? I don't want to sound cynacal, (okay, really, I do,) but that sounds like pre-emptive Spidey 3 rip off. No, I'm not saying Batman gets a symbiote suit or crap like that, it just sounds... familiar.
Reed Richards in Spader-Man 3? by Chris Beyond	Mar 9th, 2007 03:57:03 PM
Just take this as a rumor, seriously, but keep it in mind.
Err.. SPIDER-Man...not James Spader-Man ;D by Chris Beyond	Mar 9th, 2007 03:57:44 PM
whoops!
Spiderman 3 by Norman Bates	Mar 9th, 2007 04:04:23 PM
I wonder why they chose to run with the whole blacksuit/symbiote storyline in the first place? Because Batman Begins set a new standard for superhero movies. It was realistic, dark, and the character struggled with something more complex than 'should I tell Mary Jane?' Right now I'd rather watch Sky High than Spiderman 3. Go head, bash away, you won't change my mind.
has anyone noticed the date on this article? by oisin5199	Mar 9th, 2007 04:25:42 PM
It's from last August! So the whole Katie Holmes thing is totally untrue.
Gyllenhall by jasper Stillwell	Mar 9th, 2007 04:37:47 PM
Great news, the girl can act, has a brain and doesn't just look like a deer in headlights - maybe they'll give her something interesting to do in the film. It's a shame they can't recast FF and get her in as Sue Storm. Seeing as Nolan and Ledger have admitted they're going the 'Killing Joke' route then I reckon things will get pretty nasty for her character. I really can't wait for this, after seeing Ghost Rider I need someone to restore my faith in superhero movies again.
Gwai L0 by JohnNadaUK	Mar 9th, 2007 04:45:47 PM
Is there any way you could send me the Halloween script? Or could you inform me of where I could get it? It would be much appreciated. Cheers!
The Dead End suit is not that great, true. by superninja	Mar 9th, 2007 05:01:47 PM
But that scene where he emerges from the crouch with his cape looks like he's coming out of the shadow and it is RAD!!!
Ninjas don't need body armour to be badass. by Laserbrain	Mar 9th, 2007 05:01:52 PM
End of argument. Get rid of that clunky friggin suit.
If Reed is in Spidey 3 as in they share the by superninja	Mar 9th, 2007 05:07:31 PM
universe, that's great. They should've been suggesting that all along. I want a Torch/Spidey movie.
Nipples, navel, or abs? by Doctor_Sin	Mar 9th, 2007 05:20:35 PM
Which one gets the poly-vinyl body-sculpt into the suit? I just want a Batman onscreen that doesn't suffer from "tall head" syndrome where the thick, stiff neck shoots straight up into the ears like a goddamn tree trunk so that no matter what Bats does, his head is only posable in 90 degree angles. He looks stupid running. I am drunk already. Eeep!
Dead End suit by MrJJonz	Mar 9th, 2007 05:22:10 PM
is about the best I've seen live action. It gives total mobility and looks like the comics. Granted, I think it would look daft in the daylight but in the shadows at night it can look pretty cool as several shots in Dead End show and Batman it all about working at night from the shadows.
I disagree. It looks cheap to me. by superninja	Mar 9th, 2007 05:26:42 PM
Like he's wearing a t-shirt. Just use the same material as the Spidey costume and he can have some body armor over his chest beneath.
Yeah, I would change the Dead End suit by MrJJonz	Mar 9th, 2007 05:36:40 PM
and I have often used Spideys suit as an example of not having to use a rubber suit . . .but for a fan film they seem to have got closer to it than Hollywood ever has
I agree by Jared Crowe	Mar 9th, 2007 06:20:12 PM
with superninja. That scene where he is kneeling and rises and his cape pulls in is phenomenal.
JohnNadaUK, over on the "No Halloween theme music?" TB by Gwai L0	Mar 9th, 2007 06:22:09 PM
Post and ask for Sigmar25, he's where I got my copy. But please, once he gets you a copy, tell me what page number the GOTTA TAKE A SHIT MASK appears on, I'm really curious. I don't want to risk sending you the script myself because I might read the whole thing, and I don't want to read the whole thing. So please, tell me what page number the GOTTA TAKE A SHIT mask is on. Or is it in there at all? Thanks so much, you're a mate.
Oh yeah, and be sure when you post by Gwai L0	Mar 9th, 2007 06:24:46 PM
that you mention you want a copy so you can tell me what page the GOTTA TAKE A SHIT MASK appears on, mention that I am very appreciative of my copy, but I don't want to read the whole thing. In fact the guy is on a few different talkbacks, I would post a bunch of places to make sure you get his attention. He's a friend of mine, so be sure you mention that it's to find out the page number of the GOTTA TAKE A SHIT mask, so he knows you're on the level.
I hate recasting. by Novaman5000	Mar 9th, 2007 07:34:26 PM
Damn, Katie holmes maybe didn't bring much to the roll, but recasting is fucking terrible IMO.
Batman DOES need body armor. by Novaman5000	Mar 9th, 2007 07:35:58 PM
He's not fucking bulletproof.
Make Steve O the Joker henchman by iwontwin	Mar 9th, 2007 07:44:21 PM
He went to clown college for godsakes! Doesnt that mean anything anymore?
Novaman by MrJJonz	Mar 9th, 2007 07:50:11 PM
He has survived for many years without body armour in comics. The nearest I remember was the yellow signal/shield on his chest in DKR. I don't believe he needs it now anymore than any other hero in films that is being shot at constantly
You shouldn't see Batman RUNNING by performingmonkey	Mar 9th, 2007 08:25:03 PM
People saying how it looks retarded when he runs, well they should hardly ever show him running, if ever, otherwise it just looks like the cheesy '60s TV show. Batman should pass from shadow to shadow, swooping around but you don't see him running like a sad-ass motherfucker. We can see Superman running because he's got super motherfucking speed so it makes sense.
Still more worried about Ledger as the Joker by Drath	Mar 9th, 2007 08:30:00 PM
Totally wrong guy for that part!! Nothing he has ever done has led me to believe he'd create a Joker I want to see, so I am not very happy about this possibly major misstep. Unless they're painting the Batsuit pink, I'm less concerned about that. The guy who looked bland next to Orland- Johnny Depp's straight man-Bloom in that Ned Kelly movie should NOT be the Joker. Ever. I'd even buy the guy who played Young Hercules before Ledger.
wait and see Drath...have faith that Nolan saw by just pillow talk	Mar 9th, 2007 08:56:03 PM
something in him.
Only nancy-boys approve of the yellow bat oval. by Uncle Stan	Mar 9th, 2007 09:19:38 PM
Burton's no-neck, rubber-dildo suit was always fucking stupid. But not as stupid as hiring No-Chin Keaton to play The Batman.
why you gotta dis Mr. mom? by just pillow talk	Mar 9th, 2007 09:25:46 PM
That ain't right.
They really don't need to show Batman doing by superninja	Mar 9th, 2007 09:26:31 PM
a whole lot of things related to hand to hand combat. In my opinion, the more they play up the "urban legend" aspect, the better the character works for the camera. The scene in BR showing him sucking the guy into the shipping container was perfect. The scene with the roundhouse and him taking no the pack - not so much so. He wouldn't fight like that anyway, it's too compromised. For instance, this was handled much better when he goes to the basement in Arkham and picks them off. But the filmmakers would no doubt say he was just green in the first movie, so I expect him to be more of a street fighter. Batman wouldn't waste energy doing showy moves. That's not the character. While I don't want him to rely too much on toys, gas pellets, darts and things that you can throw which are inconspicuous are fine to me.
Maggie Gyllenhall? by Omegaman	Mar 9th, 2007 09:26:55 PM
Is Nolan a leftist? because thats the only reason I can think of for why he would hire her (her lefty politics are well known). I mean, this isnt Babel for chrissake. Fans want a hot chick in that role. He must know that, this is sort of like a slap in the face, like he doesnt care what audiences want. And you can find good actresses thats also hot, theyre a dime a dozen in Hollywood. This reminds me of Parker Posey in Superman. Why the hell would you hire her to be Luthors bombshell girlfriend? It just seems kind of... elitist. These are superhero action movies, not art films. I dont think this is a good sign for this movie.
Except a shirtless swordfight with the real by superninja	Mar 9th, 2007 09:30:27 PM
Ra's Al Ghul, that is totally allowed, because it is about skill and honor and stuff.
No way Omegaman, Nolan is a commie bastard! by just pillow talk	Mar 9th, 2007 09:32:54 PM
C'mon dude. While I understand the 'hot chick' factor, the first movie kicked ass. I have no double Maggie will change that one way or another. Katie didn't. Weakest part of the movie, but did not decrease my enjoyment of the film. And how is this making it into an art film? I don't see that.
Nah, Gyllenhall can create a connection with by superninja	Mar 9th, 2007 09:33:06 PM
the audience in a very short period of time. She can get the character across in enough time so that you come to like her before they kill her off. That's their problem with Katie Holmes, because she married Cruise and his hype-machine she now has a negative image associate with her.
no doubt by just pillow talk	Mar 9th, 2007 09:34:17 PM
WTF...double? As in I need a double shot of expresso or a double shot of tequilla?
I liked Holmes's Dawes. I liked that she was by superninja	Mar 9th, 2007 09:34:43 PM
young and she came across as serious and sincere. There are, like, two other people with that opinion, I think.
that doubled my guess then! by just pillow talk	Mar 9th, 2007 09:38:48 PM
I think my problem was that she didn't seem to carry any weight, no presence on screen. Something just didn't work for me with her. But again, her performance did not detract from BB for me anyways, so this change doesn't bother me one way or another.
I just thought of something. by Omegaman	Mar 9th, 2007 09:50:32 PM
I thought the Dawes character should have been more a do-gooder liberal type in the movie and have that contrasted with Batman's vigilante justice. I think that would have created an interesting conflict between the two characters and helped to better define Batman. I just think it would have been interesting to contrast those two different values systems. I think he did that a little but not close to enough for me. That would have made that role better for Katie Holmes too. I still think she did a decent job; people are much too critical of her imo. But anyhow, maybe thats what they are going to do with the character now, moreso than they did in the first movie, and thats one of the reasons Gyllenhall was chosen. They do take politics into consideration when they hire actors. That seems odd but its true, I see it all the time. I still wish she was more of a babe though. I dont want to knock Gyllenhall too much though, she's kinda cute, but just not the kind of look I was thinking of for that character.
yes, that's a dynamic that should be played up by just pillow talk	Mar 9th, 2007 09:58:27 PM
A conflict in beliefs would definitely add something to the movie.
TEH NEW SUITE HATH COSMPIC POWERS!!11! by Bronx Cheer	Mar 9th, 2007 10:48:22 PM
BUT IT WILL BE NO MATCH FOR KRRISH! HA!
did anyone notice when you by LeviDTinker	Mar 9th, 2007 10:58:40 PM
did anyone notice when you click on that link the article it sends you to is dated august of last year.
I HATED the TRIANGLE THINGY on Batman's Neck by Se7en	Mar 9th, 2007 11:48:51 PM
I know it's supposed to hold his cape, but it really felt out of place. The triangle buttons really threw me off.
Gas mask? by leavittj1982	Mar 10th, 2007 12:08:32 AM
Alright, if they REALLY wanted to do the Batsuit right, they'd first of all GET RID OF THE GIANT HOLE IN HIS OTHERWISE BULLET-PROOF HELMET!!! Second, they would get rid of HIS MASKERA and give him night-vision lenses instead. (Think Spawn.) I completely and utterly disagree with each and every person who says that he should adopt the yellow oval. He's a ninja, not a sidekick. OR they could go Iron Man and make him into a mechanized tank. What I'm afraid they will do, though, is ditch the cape, opting instead to go for bat wings that appear when he needs to glide. That would really suck. In the end, one of the biggest complaints I've always had about the movie suits is that they are impossible to wear beneath a business suit. I'm all for Wayne Tech's developing a thinner, more flexible, bullet-proof material.
Gas mask? by leavittj1982	Mar 10th, 2007 12:09:48 AM
Alright, if they REALLY wanted to do the Batsuit right, they'd first of all GET RID OF THE GIANT HOLE IN HIS OTHERWISE BULLET-PROOF HELMET!!! Second, they would get rid of HIS MASKERA and give him night-vision lenses instead. (Think Spawn.) I completely and utterly disagree with each and every person who says that he should adopt the yellow oval. He's a ninja, not a sidekick. OR they could go Iron Man and make him into a mechanized tank. What I'm afraid they will do, though, is ditch the cape, opting instead to go for bat wings that appear when he needs to glide. That would really suck. In the end, one of the biggest complaints I've always had about the movie suits is that they are impossible to wear beneath a business suit. I'm all for Wayne Tech's developing a thinner, more flexible, bullet-proof material.
I think the bat suit would look good with... by chrisd	Mar 10th, 2007 12:18:37 AM
a cloth appearance: sculpted/tailored out of kevlar type material. And the eyes should be mirrored lenses, not the black makeup eyes of the last several films. The utility belt more the multi pouch type. As far as Katie Holmes, I think she did a decent job in BB; she slapped the hell out of Bruce pretty good! I agree about the contrast between their different ideas on justice; it helped Bruce realize the gun is not the answer. I think Katie would have been good in TDK, but things change. Hopefully Maggie will do good.
Omegaman by moto	Mar 10th, 2007 12:40:20 AM
I think you're reading way to into an actor's politics. Sure, an actor may choose to be in a film based on their political beliefs, wanting to use themselves and a film to voice their viewpoint. But director's do not choose an actor because they have a certain political viewpoint in real life. The only time that matters is if a studio does not want to hire an actor based on their current extreme political viewpoints in the media, thus avoiding people staying away from the fiml due to that person. And why is she an extreme Liberal??? Because she voiced her distaste over the Iraq war? Why is that extreme liberalism? Why do people fell so necessary to put a label on someone like that? Big reason why this country is so divided.
I like the suit to be black to blend in with shadow. by superninja	Mar 10th, 2007 12:48:55 AM
There's no reason for it to have color, it looks more intimidating in black.
Bale is no Jackman or anything, but in the by superninja	Mar 10th, 2007 01:26:42 AM
scene where he wakes up and starts doing push ups I could not believe how big he was. Guess we're so used to the suit "faking it" I was quite pleasantly surprised. :)
they should just throw the costume away alltogether by punto	Mar 10th, 2007 02:19:55 AM
the only reason why batman doesn't work in film and never has is the suit. the "anticipation" with all the character stuff is great, but once the guy gets into the suit and starts kicking ass, it sucks. None of it works. The cape is too fluid, the torso and legs are too rigid, and the mask doesn't have that cool effect with the white eyes. They should just throw away the costume.. do some CGI thing or something.
Omegaman, fans dont "want" a hot chick for the role... by the_shogun_gunslinger	Mar 10th, 2007 02:47:52 AM
we dont want the role to be reprised at all! the character of racheal dawes is not needed at all, especially in the second film since they wrapped her up nicely at the end. batman needs to be completely focused on his training and mission in life, not fucking skirt chasing.
I hated the BB suit by Droogie Alex	Mar 10th, 2007 02:50:26 AM
The ears were too short and stubby, and the cape didn't match anything else. It was just a huge piece of black velvet. In the other films it was rubberized fabric that kind of resembled Batwings. The CGI rooftop shots with the 20 foot capes were great though, like Bernie Wrightson pannels. The suite should look like kevlar fabric, with armored pieces (chest, elbows, knees, etc.)
yeah, just give him some sweats by thebearovingian	Mar 10th, 2007 02:53:30 AM
A hoodie and sweatpants. Black, of course. But then he won't have a costume that makes him look LIKE A BAT. And why the hell would he be called BAT-MAN then? Sweats-Man, the savior of Gotham.
Batman in the original comics was always on the prowl! by Lone Fox	Mar 10th, 2007 03:19:23 AM
First time he met Catwoman (The Cat, back then) he let her escape because she had nice legs. When he wasn't chasing pussy he was doing that film star chick, Julie or whatever her name was. And then, of course he moved in Dick. That Batman, what a guy. Of course, he never lowered himself to dating scientologists. Pfft. Remember when Will Smith was linked to the Robin role years back. Good grief. I thought the suit in BB was pretty good. In photos it looked a bit too armoured up, but on film it looked sweet. Makes sense for the suit to evolve, it always has in the comics.
Lenses? Ever see LOGO sunglasses with WHITE lenses? by JDanielP	Mar 10th, 2007 09:30:38 AM
You want to know the absolute BEST way to interpret the WHITE eye-slits of Batman? Here's how. And I pat myself on the back for this one. I don't know if these (sunglasses) are still available today, ...but does anyone remember seeing sunglasses (for sale) which had white lenses with various college logos available, directly on both lenses? I remember how I was immediately curious about them and looked through them. You could not see in, as you could only see OUT. And sure, this type of WHITE LENS material would be cool and all (without the logo, silly!) ... but what if the WHITE lens material was translucent? Then, we have the white (lens) look while still seeing the eyes behind! And if need be, Bale could wear COLOR contacts underneath, for extra impact! This idea is freakin' brilliant and it's not the first time I've mentioned it (at AICN). So I don't know what Warner Bros. is waiting for. There is NO REASON why the Bat-suit can't be BOTH the COOLEST LOOKING costume on the planet (in movie history) AND be entirely functional! Damn it, why not consult with me?! I can help accomplish what you're looking for!
No Lenses by Playhouse	Mar 10th, 2007 12:23:32 PM
Lenses would just not work on film. It would make the character look ridiculous and lifeless. Even sunglasses on regular people in movies takes much away from them. That's why the look worked so well for Arnold in the Terminator. If they made a live-action Batman movie where there was a patch of total dark shadow and then you saw two slits of white, it would come off way more campy than people want to admit to themselves. The white works in the comics but it doesn't translate to film.
the white things by punto	Mar 10th, 2007 01:23:47 PM
is what gives batman his facial expressiones, because they change their shape like real eyes. lenses would never work, and a mask that actually changed the shape of the eyes might be too cheesy I think.
Yeah, JDanielP, you're brilliant. by kintar0	Mar 10th, 2007 06:54:32 PM
White lenses like sunglasses from the Nineties! I'm brilliant! I could have been one of the greatest fantasy film directors of all time! Robin should have a bulky bulletproof training suit! Anthony Hopkins saves the Joker from falling in Batman with a motorized hang-glider! Howie Long should play Superman. God, you're retarded. But, seriously, don't stop. You're killing me. It's sublime.
Well if you don't like lenses... by chrisd	Mar 10th, 2007 08:44:51 PM
how about mirrored contact lenses. The normal eyes and half face mask are too revealing.
I'm not anti-lenses. by kintar0	Mar 10th, 2007 09:36:11 PM
In fact, I've always been pro-lenses. I've thought all the Batsuits have sucked, and the whole black eye make-up thing is a big part of it. I think the designers need to take a step outside of their literal minds and do something original and cool looking.
They should give him lenses so that whenever by superninja	Mar 10th, 2007 11:06:14 PM
light is shined on them, they glow like an animal's. It would prevent them from seeing the color of his eyes and they can cheat it and show his eyes when they need to.
Imagine the animal-glow eyes, underneath white lenses. by JDanielP	Mar 10th, 2007 11:31:54 PM
That's a great idea, superninja. The fact is... there are many interesting directions to go with the design of the costume... while staying true to the character.
Well, the idea is to make criminals think he is by superninja	Mar 10th, 2007 11:34:59 PM
not human. They need the eyes to make him expressive, so the audience can connect to him, so the white lenses are only to protect him against flash bombs and other things, reflecting light back at whoever is looking at him.
I think this type of technology already exists by superninja	Mar 10th, 2007 11:36:23 PM
but not sure.
I think lenses that sometimes reflect would work if.. by chrisd	Mar 11th, 2007 12:05:17 AM
they would not end up being too gimmicky. I understand the need for expressiveness but they always seem to violate the suspension of disbelief with things like eye makeup and recognizability. But, of course, it is just a movie.
Ever notice how kintar0 (used to be Mr. Miricle)..... by JDanielP	Mar 11th, 2007 12:07:33 AM
...never shares any ideas of his own? The poor basement dweller can only criticize others... while never getting into specifics of what makes film interesting, or sharing personal ideas on how to make them more so. He's the Bush-like politician who can only attack. And also, (again like the predictable politician running for office), he interprets what his opponent says (me, for instance) in the worst way possible. (It was a jet-pack, you idiot, as you well know. And it was described to be a Tim Burton style jet-pack, with a lawnmower style of pull-cord to get it started. And it would make sounds, ...it would clank and ping and make puffs of smoke. And in '89, for an actor to play a character whom shared his youth with Jack Napier, who would you pick? So I mentioned who I imagined in the part, back then. Big deal. And yeah, Howie Long once had (he's let it go, now) the classic build for an older Superman. Again, big deal. It was true then. Not now. No more Howie Long, pleeeease. Move on, you child.) By the way, is everyone heavily anticipating kintar0's answer? Here, allow me to predict the future. He (or even she) will (A) not respond or (B) attack. And notice how there will be no specifics on what he/she wants in a flick, Batman or otherwise. Yeah. Generalize. You're great at that, since that's all you do when attempting to add any specific idea of your own. (Silence, perhaps? Silence would be golden.)
Can you answer this question without attacking, kintar0 by JDanielP	Mar 11th, 2007 12:32:46 AM
Keep in mind, folks, that I've seldom ever seen a normal back and forth with this guy (in the talkbacks). Let's see if he can be (hahahahahaha) completely civil in responding. Ready, kintar0? Imagine (gasp) a normal conversation. (gasp, again!) And imagine it's your responsibility to be the creative force behind the design for the next Bat-suit in Nolan's sequel (no matter how you feel about Batman Begins). How would you design it while maintaining your own personal taste, keeping movie success in mind? Which direction would you take the design? And guess what. I don't mind (at all) listening/reading to another opinion on the subject. Even yours. (But I'm not sure you can act above the spoiled rich kid routine. That routine of yours is even older than your Howie Long mention, every time I appear in a talkback, ...and sometimes even when I'm NOT in the talkbacks.) I love that you miss me so much, by the way.
Never thought I would say this, but I wonder if by superninja	Mar 11th, 2007 12:42:16 AM
Ashton Kutcher would make a pretty good Captain America if they decide to go younger? He's a decent actor and has the height and comes across as very earnest in his more serious roles. I'm watching The Guardian and it's not like it's a fantastic movie, but it's decently acted.
More specific than "something original & cool looking" by JDanielP	Mar 11th, 2007 12:48:08 AM
I'm nearly laughing, here. The guy can't have a normal conversation. He's got to be a spoiled rich kid. However, I'm a grown-up who can forgive and forget and call a clean slate. Even with kintar0. But I just don't think he has the character. Scratch that. I KNOW he doesn't have the character. But I honestly feel sorry for kintar0, as the world must have been seriously cruel to him (in one way or another). You just don't act that way unless you've experienced great tragedy. And for that, kintar0, I am sorry. Sincerely.
Dark blue cowl and cape covering dark grey suit by BendersShinyAss	Mar 11th, 2007 11:04:35 AM
With white eyes. do it. find a way.
BAT-SUIT'S GOTTA TEAT! by the maven	Mar 11th, 2007 11:14:06 AM
Well, two of 'em according to Schumacher, but who's counting?
Ah, JDanielP... by kintar0	Mar 11th, 2007 07:27:44 PM
all right, I'll rise to your little challenge. But not now, first I've got dinner with the in-laws. But don't worry, I won't forget you. If you'd have ever actually read any of the pre-release Batman Begins talkbacks where I posted this wouldn't be necessary, but c'est la vie. Watch this space.
kintar0, if you play nice, count me REALLY surprised. by JDanielP	Mar 11th, 2007 11:07:31 PM
And floored. In fact, you'll continue to have my full attention (here at AICN) ... if you can remain civil.
The Batsuit, from head to toe. by kintar0	Mar 12th, 2007 01:36:26 AM
The cowl: stop with the molded consternation eyebrows. Either make it fixed and non-wrinkled or take a risk and make the brow animatronic so Batman can emote under the mask. No more eye makeup. A lot of talk is made of how the Batsuit ought to be “practical” and “realistic,” yet the fact that Batman has to apply and remove makeup, MAKEUP, FOR CHRIST’S SAKE, gets a pass. The cowl should be a thin helmet that completely covers and replaces the eyes and nose of Batman’s face, yet fits close enough to the shape of Batman’s head to be deceptive about its true defensive capabilities. It’s covered in a material that makes up the entire cowl, leaving the neck covered but not armored. For example: tinyurl.com/yqn6ma . You may as well keep this image open in a new window because I will refer to this image again. The material covering the neck is stiched and creased to allow for turning the neck, like Chuck Norris’ high-kick jeans. No more stiff neck or sausage neck. This helmet has lenses. Should they glow like the picture? Not always, but the ability to make his eyes glow is not outside the realm of possibility. Different functions could produce different colors or effects, ala Splinter Cell and the comics. Unlike in the image, the ears should be much shorter and back-swept. Like this: tinyurl.com/ypgwqk or tinyurl.com/yvn7vr .
The cape: by kintar0	Mar 12th, 2007 01:38:29 AM
Not leather. Leather is deceptively ideal. It’s not a part of the cowl and neck, but is cut and hung like it is. In the first Matrix film, there’s a shot where Neo joins Trinity atop the elevator car and the last few seconds of the shot are of the ends of Neo’s trench coat sliding up and out of the elevator car. The cape needs to be made from a material that is a fabric and not a skin. Most likely a heavier material than the rest of the costume. Black, like the cowl. Floor length, scalloped ends, like the comics. Takes damage, for fuck’s sake. I saw 300 and one of the things that struck me was how much of a schmuck it makes out of Christopher Nolan. Snyder’s Spartans kick ass in slow motion, in dark, but still LIT, situations, and IN CAPES and it looked incredible and completely believable.
The utility belt: by kintar0	Mar 12th, 2007 01:39:39 AM
brown or tan square-ish pouches, large but ordinary belt buckle. Again, like the first picture, from the cover to JLA: Classified #10. The undies: black wrestlin’ shorts. Nothing fancy. It doesn’t look gay or corny, it looks classic. Not like Superman Return’s man panties. The gloves: black. The knuckles, the backs of the hands, the wrists armored to protect from/amplify impact. Again, see first picture. The gloves match the boots. The logo: either the yellow and black oval or the black classic. The Batman Begins logo was easily the worst. If you don’t “get” the yellow and black oval, reread Dark Knight Returns.
The rest: by kintar0	Mar 12th, 2007 01:40:11 AM
gray body suit. I’m not against the body armor of Batman Begins, but he wears it under his costume. The body suit could be made of that new school spandex that olympic time-trial cyclists or downhill skiers wear. It really has only two requirements: non-reflective and stretches over the body armor. So there you go. It’s practical and cool looking. The Batsuit’s not all black or gray. Sure, even the blue and gray suit isn’t practical, but so what? It’s fucking cool looking. Basically, I’ve described the cover to JLA: Classified #10 but that’s it. This is all shit I’ve been saying for years, well in advance of Batman Begins. One can hope that Nolan’s going to do something drastic and put the Batsuit up there in the winner’s circle with Superman’s and Spider-man’s.
I broke it up because... by kintar0	Mar 12th, 2007 01:41:01 AM
contrary to what you may believe, nobody wants to read post that's longer than a paragraph.
some great Ideas there Kintar0 by Uridium	Mar 12th, 2007 04:05:55 AM
Good posts there, enjoyed reading all and agreed with some..... The thing about the swept back ears you refered to in the pic with superman, well they look cool in that pic for one reason.... Batman is moving forwards. They are drawn swept back to make him look like he is moving. If he was just standing up normaly I think they would look a lot worse! (kinda like thos do-hickies that the flash has on the side of his head) Keep up the ideas guys!
I can appreciate nearly all of those ideas, but... by JDanielP	Mar 12th, 2007 10:43:19 AM
...there's a much better way than animatronic eyebrows, as animatronics would require a certain thickness for the cowl, to make room for the small mechanics/electronics within (at least in some part). Keep in mind that I'm not knocking you, kintar0. And I'm not trying to... well, you get the idea. If you want the eyebrows to move, then the techniques used in "300" would be the way to go, I feel, in my opinion. (I think we both only care about results, in the end.) Maybe on set, there would be some blue-screen/green-screen paint (or tape?) on the forehead of the cowl, for computer animators to add those eyebrow movements you are looking for. --I want you to understand, kintar0, ...that I'm not against style (or yours, as you described). We seem to disagree in how we feel about the work of painter Alex Ross, and that's fine. But understand that I (perhaps also) love MANY styles of sequential art... and Batman can be visually interpreted (in the movies) in just as many styles... and every time, still make a great flick (I feel). I mention Alex Ross the most because I believe it is easier for people to understand the possibilities when the art is that much closer to looking REAL, you know? --And as for the ears, I personally dislike the really short ones, ...the ears that are hardly above the very top of the head. Give me just a little more, at least. (The shorter ears tend to look better on a larger Batman, from my viewpoint.) I don't have a problem with anything else you mentioned (as to the design of the Bat-suit). And I suppose if the eyebrows were going to be animated, there's also the possibility of animating the white eye-slits (or lenses). --And how about the style of Simon Bisley's Batman? To visually interpret it, they could have a professional body builder wear all but anything that covers the chest, arms and legs, ...and perhaps have the Bat-image painted on his chest. And his body would be colored as you would want the suit. And yes, ...this time, the Bat-nipples would be taken OUT. --Now, this is obviously NOT the direction for Nolan's sequel to go. However, it is just an example of how far digital filmmakers can visually interpret ANY character, Batman or otherwise. Thanks for being civil. (I shall return.)
Change is probably the yellow symbol on the chest. by digitalruse	Mar 12th, 2007 11:16:56 AM
IIRC, Batman did this on purpose. Since the bulk of his suit was reinforced at the chest, that is where he preferred to be shot (if he had to be shot). So, he placed the symbol to draw the eye and fire of those who wanted to shoot him. -DR
A Batman cape with defensive and offensive capabilities by JDanielP	Mar 12th, 2007 12:21:41 PM
http://www.louanders.com/2005_ 08_01_archive.html (This guy had some interesting ideas.)
A cape with the look of leather... without the sound... by JDanielP	Mar 12th, 2007 12:35:09 PM
...is something that looks interesting on screen. But yeah, that's an easy trick (omitting the leather sound). Personally, I like the "look" of a leathery, reptilian cape. As to the way the cape is cut, I like the standard Neal Adams cut, ...and the sometimes exaggerated capes, as when Batman dropped within the stairwell in BATMAN BEGINS. Those kind of shots look great. And I like for the cape to have the capacity to cover his entire body, when draped in front. You can achieve some really nice camera shots of him blending into the shadows. And as a character, Batman should make use of the shadows and his incredible silhouette.
Color of Batman's cape = color of Clark Kent's hair by JDanielP	Mar 12th, 2007 12:44:48 PM
Some people argue that Batman's cape is BLACK and that the blue, in comics (of the past) is simply highlights, as with the hair of Clark Kent/Superman. That is easy to understand. But today, the color palette is far more open. I think that's just one reason as to why we don't see Batman's cape as BLUE as it used to be, intended highlights or not.
Check out the color of this Batman suit (link): by JDanielP	Mar 13th, 2007 07:43:27 AM
http://www.kotous.com/comic-bo oks/batman.php

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