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This Is Madness...! by buster00	Mar 8th, 2007 02:27:23 AM
THIS...IS...SPARTA!!
Cho by Thorstrongstone	Mar 8th, 2007 02:30:46 AM
Frank Cho designed a monster for my father's horror movie. He was a really cool guy. I think that was....14 or 15 years ago. And Bendis' is one of my favorite comic writers. I will really have to check this out. Damn, I stopped collecting comics!
Never any love for "Tales of TMNT" by Shadowhawk	Mar 8th, 2007 02:32:22 AM
My favorite comic for the last 2 years. Always delivers great stories, and I never see reviews on it.
unt cunt tits cunt cunt deeper look into history cunt c by DOGSOUP	Mar 8th, 2007 02:38:02 AM
FUCK MARVEL UP THIER STUPID ASSES FOREVER! I'm going to go to the street corner and buy some gutterpunk's sticky zine. That will be more enriching.
Will somebody please... by mrfan	Mar 8th, 2007 05:13:16 AM
flush the turd known as Marvel down the toilet? Then make sure you wash your hands. Thank you.
RighteousBrother by Boondock Devil	Mar 8th, 2007 05:45:24 AM
I bet it's not even 18 months. I have this weird feeling that in World War Hulk, all the heroes are getting their asses kicked when Iron Man realizes their only hope is for them to bring back Captain America to save the day.
Jeff Parker is awesome! by Boondock Devil	Mar 8th, 2007 06:02:29 AM
Couldn't agree more about how talented that guy is. Marvel should give Astonishing X-Men to him after Whedon's finished up so more people would read his stuff. That or somewhere down the line he could take over on Mighty or Young Avengers.
Jeff Parker is this year's Little Miss Sunshine by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 06:55:11 AM
Like tits on Optimus.
I must thoroughly agree with Squasha. by Err	Mar 8th, 2007 07:09:44 AM
Def. this year's Little Miss Sunshine.
Squashua: Great review! by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 07:19:04 AM
But I don't think I'll be picking Sticky up ...
Oh, and Vroom Socko: Thanks! by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 07:26:19 AM
I could not remember for the life of me what the theory of Uncanny Valley was called. Now I do. Grazie!
Cover of Walking Dead #33 by BangoSkank	Mar 8th, 2007 07:49:11 AM
The cover of WD #35. Can anyone tell what is going on there? Is that a mouth? A gaping ribcage? None of it makes any sense to me. Even the reflection in the blood, I just don't see it. It gets this weeks Chris Bachalo What-the-fuck-is-that? Award.
Are the Spirit Archives worth picking up? by teethgnasher	Mar 8th, 2007 08:46:15 AM
I read the recent issues by Cooke. I have to say I really enjoy them. It's the only monthly book I pick up. Anything else can be read as a trade paperback. Should I read the Archives?
Fan Mail! by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 08:47:35 AM
From "R.D.T. Byrd" I really can't believe in 2007, someone would write something as stupid as this: "That's right up an alleyway you don't travel – riding the chocolate choo-choo express to poo-ville." Congratulations -- you've reduced struggles over civil rights and human equality, issues that people have been beaten to death over, down to a stupid little joke about anal sex. I don't give a fuck if you're male, female, 6 or 60, you're a douchebag. - - - - - Again, you called it folks: Squashua == Douchebag
Walking Dead by garcicr	Mar 8th, 2007 08:48:56 AM
Has the sixth book came out yet you know the actuall novels that put together bout 4 comics
thank you marvel by steverodgers	Mar 8th, 2007 09:07:39 AM
For killing my favorite character. I’m done with you d-bags. Where have you gone Mark Grunewald? This office slob, turns his lonely eyes to you.
Sticky: Before we continue... by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 09:12:34 AM
The stories themselves were nice, and I even thought the Talk show one was quite classy, and the art successfully expressed that each partner pairing shared a definate attraction to each other beyond the physical, but let's get real here; the lovemaking scenes were pretty hardcore, though the characters did look like they were having fun.
Dr. Strange the Oath, and my guess on Captain America by holidill	Mar 8th, 2007 09:15:02 AM
I just read Dr. Strange the Oath #5 yesterday and was surprised how much I enjoyed the whole series. If Marvel ever wants to do a Dr. Strange Movie, they should do this one, adding a few things to it as well to make it longer, but it was a great story. I have not read Cap #25 yet, and I am sure my local comic shop will be out of it by the time I pick it up today, but from what I read I don't think he's dead. I think this was a LMD that SHIELD uses (Life Model Decoy) to give Cap a chance to go underground for a while. Or Cap is Ronin in new Avengers, though in reading the New Avengers where the new team is introduced, Ronin appears to be someone other than Cap, but you never know. Bucky will become Captain America.
Great choice on your masthead for this week guys.. by Thalya	Mar 8th, 2007 09:18:34 AM
Though no Brave and the Bold #1 review? Not even a cheap shot? Did we talk that one to death already in the last TB?
Caps death by garcicr	Mar 8th, 2007 09:19:55 AM
I think his best death was in Universe X or wait was it Earth X
Garcicr by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 09:35:51 AM
I think it was Paradise X
Marvel Sucks by Movietool	Mar 8th, 2007 09:46:23 AM
There's not one "hero" left in a universe that used to be full of them. Now it's a universe of Superdicks, each one more determined than the last to be an anti-hero, all in the name of "realism." It's a shame Superman is a DC character, 'cause I'm sure Joey Q. must have LOVED Superman Returns, seeing as it showed Superman completely out of character in a contrived storyline with useless sub-plots all wrapped up in a vast void of anti-fun. Just like Marvel Comics nowadays.
If we don't fight al Quesada the terrorists will win... by superhero	Mar 8th, 2007 09:56:29 AM
You heard it here first...actually I got it of THE BEAT but it's still hysterical. Quesada is now known to me as al Quesada for killing off Captain America...excellent!
superhero… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 10:02:30 AM
I promise you, Vale came up with that one a few months ago. Still, it doesn't make it any less funny or true. Rock on.
alQuesada, Squashua, and Bend-ass walk into a bar... by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 10:09:47 AM
...and it blows up. The End. That would be the best story Marvel's put out in the last five years at least.
Jinxo, Baytor and Vroom by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 10:17:01 AM
Thank you guys for making me laugh before I posted. I was going to just do the troll thing and skip past the actual reviews just to post my shit, but something made me stop and read first. Oh yeah, it's the fact that I'm not a total Squashua. Jinxo:"Panther is the king, and in the words of Monty Python you can tell the king because he’s the guy without shit all over him." Fucking brilliant. Baytor:"The last thing we need is another character forever perverted by the selfish desires of so-called fans who want nothing but enjoyment from their comics." Good line. Fuck you with your shit, but that's a good line. ;P Vroom:"Well, there's the bit at the end, where the only holdouts remaining are the New Avengers, where Luke Cage says "Looks like we're criminals." And Spidey responds, "Sure we're criminals. We've always been cri-" FUCK!" Get out of my HEAD!
Unfortunately, steverodgers, by dan grendel	Mar 8th, 2007 10:18:55 AM
Mark Gruenwald died of a heart attack on August 12, 1996. He'd be spinning in his grave, but he was cremated and his ashes were mixed in with the first printing of the Squadron Supreme trade.
Transformers movie prequel by pelos_locos	Mar 8th, 2007 10:19:09 AM
This was a wasted opportunity to review the "Official transformers movie prequel #1" where a lot of our fears are confirmed. Mecraptron looks like crap in cybertron (no arm gun), which was at peace under the "reign" of optimus prime and "Lord high protector megatron" (yes, megatron was a good guy). Everything was given life by one "allspark" until megatron decides to take it. The autobots fight to protect the allspark. During one battle scene, one autobot with round eyes and teddy bear face (bumblebee, I think, no name is given) confronts megatron trying to stop him to give the allspark a chance to be launched off the planet. This particular robot gets injured and everything is repaired except his "voice capacitor" but he learns to communicate in "other ways". Anyways, a lot of the crappy things about the script circulating around the web seem to be confirmed here. I just thought I'd let you know since I was hoping to see a review of this issue here.
Dear Marvel, by Reelheed	Mar 8th, 2007 10:21:53 AM
Sooooo Ironman is now unbeatable (he has spidersense? what the fuck is up with that?(ish #14)), always right (erm.. are they still running the negative zone prison where they FORCE inmates into virtual reality A.S. #535), has limitless resources and his own army of heroes? Great. And Cap... is dead. The remaining mutants are all registered, the world is in a silent war and the universe is Anhillated. Nice. Clap. Clap. Clap. Yeeeah. I see what you're doing. "Things have to get worse before they get better." Thats classic. Classic narrative rule no.1 in fact and I can see you get the general idea. Heres the thing. In heroic stories things also get better! No fucking way! Yes way! Y'know rather than worse and worse and worse until the faithful readers are either wondering why they ever bothered or slitting their pastey wrists. See real-life is pretty shitty sometimes and now so are most of your comics. Cheer the fuck up tossbags.
Breaking news in the world of the internet... by loodabagel	Mar 8th, 2007 10:29:19 AM
I am back from the dead. (Once again) chillin at the beach, down at Club Med. Make another record cause the people they want more of this. Make another record cause they think I'm Adam Horovitz. Also, I like Bendis's Daredevil, BKV kicks babies, and Victor Mancha is the best Runaway, beacuse I said so. And Captain America is dead now? God. He was a too cool for modern day Marvel.
Gruenwald... by steverodgers	Mar 8th, 2007 10:43:59 AM
Gruenewald was the best. My hope is that him and Kirby are up in heaven, drinking beers, and churning out cap stories, completely ignorant of the Queseda/bendis/millar/loeb led crapfest that marvel comics have become. Give me some mad-bomb and bloodstone hunt – not this dark, mean, "post 9/11" garbage.
Review of Kim Deitch Alias the Cat by trashotron	Mar 8th, 2007 10:50:01 AM
http://tinyurl.com/2wn2n6 The short story: A fantastic forthcoming hardcover omnibus. Worth your valuable time an money -- scans at the URL. -- Rickk
Cover of Walking Dead #35 by BangoSkank	Mar 8th, 2007 10:58:45 AM
Not 33. My bad. What's going on there. Someone must tell me. I liked Civil War, but I gave up on Marvel a long time ago. Now I eat the shit they feed me with a smile on my face.
Agree with loodabagel by MCVamp	Mar 8th, 2007 11:11:36 AM
Captain America is too cool for modern day Marvel.
Vroom… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 11:15:10 AM
you kick ass: "It's a world smack dab at the bottom of that valley, with NBC's “Heroes” up on top of one side and Kirkman's INVINCIBLE on the other. It's a world that is ugly and bitter; a world that has taken characters older than I am and turned them into something so far removed from their original intent that they've become something monstrous."
Timely reviews! Anything interesting happen yesterday? by willydevon	Mar 8th, 2007 11:15:27 AM
Guys, seriously; Civil War #7, arguable the most important book of the last 6 months, came out two weeks ago. Captain America was fucking KILLED in a book that came out YESTERDAY. Every time Joss Whedon has a nocturnal emission, Herc has a coax post up with reaction. You guys can't get reviews up faster than this? All this said, I'm a little disappointed that Cap wasn't raped and burned to a cinder, in addition to being shot. After CW 7's complete destruction of the character, what else was really left? Maybe Norman Osbourne could fuck the corpse a little?
"Unnamed Talkbacker"?? by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 11:21:57 AM
My nick is Psynapse, YO. (*_^) (The funny part is I'd be more likely to wank to thoughts of Squashua if he looked like say, Rupert Everett rather than Dan Haggerty)
That's cool that Vale came up with al Quesada... by superhero	Mar 8th, 2007 11:27:04 AM
I just saw it first at THE BEAT...either way...we should call him al Quesada from now on. Oh, and I thinking of taking back Brubaker for my favorite writer of 2006.
Original draft read "Psynapse" and "Psy" as a nick by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 11:36:50 AM
But I figured I'd give you some anonymity. Of course I know of the only talkbacker to be Squashua's personal talkwacker. I've been told (by a nice Hungarian lady) I look like a young Peter Ustinov. I do love me some Logan's Run.
No, wait superhero by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 11:38:33 AM
This isn't Bru's fault. I think having Cap shot was a mercy killing on his part.
Come now, Squashie by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 11:40:20 AM
I hate you too. I've said as much. Don't give Psy ALL the credit.
Dear R.D.T. Byrd...... by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 11:45:01 AM
Either fuck off to whatever hole you crawled out of of grow a goddamn sense of humor. It's a JOKE fuckface, get over yourself. PS-I am a 100% polesmoking, hershey highway, pillow biter myself (you see? a sense of humor jackass) so don't even start with me you fag.
Psy... by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 11:51:48 AM
Does that make you the resident Cog "bear"? Or are you more of a "twink"?
Neither Lord Turtle...... by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 11:58:37 AM
I'm that undefined minority among gays: Not totally masculine, not totally feminine, too old to be a twink, too skinny and hairless to be bear. And as you can see I have a bit of objective perspectivve on the whole 'being gay' issue. Yeah fuck you again R.D.T. Byrd, faggots like you make me sick. (yeah that's right, Mr. Garrison WAS right. I can say FAG all I want, Fag!)
Yeah, I didn't think you were stereotypical. by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 12:13:15 PM
I was just wondering.
El DID Create Al Quesada! And I... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 12:14:49 PM
...told the first "Johnny Fuckerfaster" joke so I want credit for that. Remember, the next time any of you say,"Johnny Fuckerfaster!" "I am, Mom! I am!" Buzz Maverik gets a quarter. That's how I can afford to do this all day.
superhero by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 12:16:16 PM
Oh, most definitely he will forever be known as al Quesada. I'm not sure it's all Bru's fault though. Even if he said he was planning it all along, it just doesn't seem to fit right. I mean, if I can't trust Bru then I might as well just not read any Marvel books, excluding Whedon and PAD and what's left of McKeever that is. Bug, I'm dying to know if nofate read your Mighty Avengers review. ; )
It's interesting that… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 12:44:29 PM
Captain America is going to continue to be published.
willydevon: welcome to AICN by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 12:47:05 PM
The reviews are never for a comic book that came out the previous day. The two-week hiatus was due to the @$$ies given out last week. This may surprise you, but these are people with lives reviewing the comics, and they also prefer to put effort into their reviews rather than churn something out and post it the same day (as the reviews typically come out on Wednesday). Plus I'm sure the aforementioned event will be the subject of a round table. (No pressure guys ;) )
So...Captain America is a 'legacy' now? by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 12:47:05 PM
Hmm...now where have I heard that idea before?
...the hell? by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 01:03:08 PM
I can't believe I missed this! See, this is why Harry should always put this on the front page. Nothing against AICN, but sometimes I wish this had its own site, so that it could be given its proper due. Bah! Now off to actually read the damn column.
yep by Shigeru	Mar 8th, 2007 01:04:41 PM
bucky = cap now. at least for a while.
no roundtable please by Shigeru	Mar 8th, 2007 01:08:33 PM
I'm already so sick of all this crap that I want to upchuck, who wants to be the next pussycat doll-style.
I heard Punisher picked up his mask. by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 01:09:45 PM
I wonder where they're going with that.
When is Squashua going to review Housewives At Play? by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 01:13:47 PM
I'm dying to know his thoughts. Seriously, you guys should review one wank mag a week here. Was there ever a Lost Girls review, or did I miss that? I wouldn't blame the guys if there wasn't, as $75 is a lot to pay for crayola colored effing.
Shig… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 01:14:08 PM
I shamefully know EXACTLY what you mean. Those chicks were in a competition all right… to see who could projectile vomit the furthest. Good grief. Ermm… I think Punisher if anything will end up giving the mask to Winter Soldier cause it would be stupid if Punisher tried being Cap and Marvel would never do anything stupid or out of character.
Don't get me wrong by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 01:15:32 PM
I know the history. If anyone could carry the sheild (besides Cable I guess...WTF?) it would be Bucky. However, has anyone stopped to think about the fact that if this shit does go down, we'll have Captain America, bastion of the free-thinking Western World, as brought to you by the KGB. I love how we get to pretend that the Cold War never happened and all, but....shit.
Quoted for Truth by SamBluestone	Mar 8th, 2007 01:16:11 PM
"You guys know the theory of the Uncanny Valley? How an artificial representation of a person becomes more relatable the more human it looks, until it hits a point that's so close, the only thing that stands out are the differences and it becomes something repulsive and uncomfortable to look at? That's what Marvel has become. It's a world smack dab at the bottom of that valley, with NBC's “Heroes” up on top of one side and Kirkman's INVINCIBLE on the other. It's a world that is ugly and bitter; a world that has taken characters older than I am and turned them into something so far removed from their original intent that they've become something monstrous." Word, Vroom. Word word a million times, WORD.
Pussycat Dolls by Shigeru	Mar 8th, 2007 01:23:39 PM
Unfortunately I watched a lot of TV last night... yeah I watched Growing Pains (I MEAN COME ON), and then American Idol, fuck you! And while we were waiting for Lost to come on, Mrs. Shigeru and I stumbled upon... like 8 hookers (I think they were hookers), forcefully throwing up copious amounts of brown liquid-chunks into bushes. I'm not sure if the competition was who could wear the least amount of clothes and puke the most amount of shit, but it was funny. Like, the missus couldn't stop cackling, funny.
Math term for Thalya that I was trying to remember: by Shigeru	Mar 8th, 2007 01:26:53 PM
INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL.
So... wait a sec Psy... by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 01:27:31 PM
...you weren't fapping when I was a chick, so you might be now? o_O
3 in a row (Walking Dead #35 Cover) by Shigeru	Mar 8th, 2007 01:29:30 PM
It's a rotting mouth. With falling out teeth. You can practically feel the STENCH. Good shit. I just read the letters column for that issue, and a dude in there says that its a sad fact that "a great deal of white readers will masturbate to that scene", meaning the Michonne beating/rape. W T F
Wait by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 01:48:17 PM
You didn't? jk; ppl r weird.
Wow by El Vale	Mar 8th, 2007 01:52:53 PM
That is fucked up, Shig. Imagine going through life thinking that's what's in the wite man's head.
Anyway LOL by El Vale	Mar 8th, 2007 01:53:55 PM
"It’s just like the classic Larry Hama silent issue of GI JOE, only with more anal sex" Good stuff Squash!
You know what grinds my gears? by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 01:58:11 PM
When Joe Q tells journalists that once, death meant nothing in comics, and now it does, knowing full well that they brought back Magneto, Hawkeye, and others, I'm sure, under the thinnest and lamest of circumstances. Gah!
Moriarty reviewed "Lost Girls" on his own. by rev_skarekroe	Mar 8th, 2007 02:04:51 PM
I don't know that it ever got an @$$hole review.
No, not now Squash.... by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 02:11:23 PM
I like men like me, geeky and kinda skinny, but hot. (But I have this weird mental thing that unless I know a guy is actually gay they are as sexually attractive to me as a woman I.E-not at all)
That's not that weird, Psynapse. by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 02:29:57 PM
It's all about realistic hopes and availability. It's why I don't understand how people go nuts over celebrities. You're never going to meet them, and there are people just as attractive, albeit not famous, in your everyday life. Although, to be fair, I have this weird America Ferrera fetish. I'd like to take her curvy latina ass behind a middle school and get her pregnant.
Waitaminute, I'm NOT alone in thinking that? by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 02:48:28 PM
Huh. Yeah, I never could get into the whole 'celebrity worship' thing for those very reasons BayouWilly. That said, I had a MASSIVE crush on Andy Hallett of Angel fame for about 3 days after spending 20 minutes chatting him up at MegaCon a few years back ('Cuz if he ain't gay then I must not be either, y'dig?)
Get to work folks! Damn, we're only number 6! by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 02:51:15 PM
Get to posting fuckers!
Actually by El Vale	Mar 8th, 2007 02:57:42 PM
Saying death in comics means something now isn't the same as saying dead means dead. Still, this kind of publicity stunt only makes things worse in the end. You kill Captain America, everyone notices and they...emote or something, i don't know...and then when you bring him back it's like bleh, why did i even care in the first place?
Killing a character, establishing a legacy, and then... by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 03:06:15 PM
returning the original character back to life once the hype dies down. WHERE have I heard that before????
I don't know what to want more... by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 03:10:04 PM
for Marvel to keep Steve Rogers dead and prove all of us wrong, or for them to bring him back as he's Steve Fucking Rogers. And does anyone else feel the way about TV's Ugly Betty? I mean, no offense comics, but that's what I'm worried about the most.
celebrity crushes by Shigeru	Mar 8th, 2007 03:11:27 PM
FEH! Difference is, Natalie Portman actually IS my girlfriend-on-the-side. True story.
SO, umm Captain America by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 03:15:35 PM
He didn't actually DIE in the issue; no one says anything definate. And it's to be continued. I'm sure we'll have 1 month of Marvel milking the cash cow before Captain America #26 arrives.
EV by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 03:17:12 PM
Thanks, Vale. I wasn't sure if I was going to refer to it as having more or LESS anal sex. Decided to be kind to YO JOE!
Anal sex RULES! by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 03:35:18 PM
You KNOW alla you breeder dudes get all worked up when she says it's okay to use the back door!
Jeph Loeb on his Fallen Son One-Shots… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 03:37:32 PM
"Just that I know - being a fellow comic book fan myself - I'm sure this story is very shocking and upsetting. My intention is to try and wrestle those feelings to the ground. It's not easy what Marveldom is going through and it won't be for fandom either. If Fallen Son helps speak to those reactions, then that's half the battle. And if Cap has taught us anything, it's to fight on." I thought Cap did the EXACT OPPOSITE in CW? F'n Millar. These five one-shots come out in April and May. Cap #26 also deals with his death by beginning the autopsy on his body http://tinyurl.com/2yw9by Either way the inevitable 'return' of Steve Rogers is a bad situation for fans and for Marvel in the long run. But hey, who am I to remind them how to run a company that they nearly bankrupted doing the same sort of shitty stories and variant covers?
heh, "breeder dudes" by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 03:38:41 PM
; )
Cap dead? by Jinxo	Mar 8th, 2007 03:51:52 PM
Cap's dead. Well... unless the new Initiative comic is true. Can't believe with all the talk nobody has brought up this comic in which Ms. Marvel out and out tells Spider-Woman, "Cap's not dead! They faked his death." Kinda weird for them to put that out at the exact same time they killed him. Give me a week to really buy into his death at least. Plus I ended up reading the "He's not dead" before I had a chance to read the issue where he's killed. Sat there going, "What the hell are they talking about?" Of course Ms. Marvel could be lying but the entire scene is her being honest with Spider-Woman to the point of violating Iron Man's rules in an attempt to get her to register. So it would be odd she'd lie on that one thing.
Even IF he really is dead it's still utterly pointless. by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 04:05:11 PM
Look at how shitty (and shoddily) they treated their 2nd biggest character death ever with 'The Return' (though you may want to argue this I still feel the biggest 'death' Marvel ever did was Jean Grey's suicide in X-Men #137-that shit made me cry when I was 11!).
And while we're on the subject of Anal Sex.... by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 04:12:31 PM
Thought for the day: Friends are like asscheeks. Shit may separate them but they always come back together.
Yeah, Cap's about as dead as… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 04:16:25 PM
Jean Grey was, er, or is? How many times did Jean die and get brought back? I just don't want that to happen to Steve Rogers. I don't want him sullied any more than he already has been thanks to the American hating Millar and the gleaming eyed sales-crazy al Quesada. Ughhh, if and when they bring Steve back I hope it's worth it completely unlike The Return was. If Bru can bring back Bucky the way he did and have him not only not suck, but kick ass then I'll at least wait and see how he does things down the line if he's still on the book. Still, bad news. Waaay more bad than good at the House of M. Ughh… HoM.
Ha! Take that South Park TB! by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 04:20:02 PM
Kicked your sorry ass...
You know what sucks about CM getting brought back? by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 04:24:26 PM
Side note-you can put Mar-Vell up with Hawkeye and Magneto. What sucks is, cancer is a real disease. It's one of the most common ways to die, and it can hit any body at any time for any reason. It's one of the things even I don't joke with, and I joke with anything. Maybe some comic fan lost a relative or friend to cancer, or maybe they were afflicted with it themselves. Maybe they found solace with the story of one of the universe's champions being brought low by it, with even his powers and friends doing nothing to stave off the inevitable. Well... fuck you, comic fan! Signed, Marvel Corp.
You know what? by El Vale	Mar 8th, 2007 04:28:00 PM
I call bullshit on all of this! Guy's not dead...that statement by Marvel reads more like an "OH SHIT! I can't believe we printed that...someone make it go away!" than something someone not desperate would say. "So Cap's dead...no i mean it, the guy's completely dead i mean...i've never seen a deader person. In the history of death and people who die, Cap is the deadest of them all. And not dead like Jesus either, but really dead. Don't believe me? Have an autopsy" Well they had an alien autopsy a few years ago.
ZombieSolutions by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 05:03:01 PM
That cracked me up! "Quite simply brilliant" Hahaha!!! Thanks, I needed that.
Plus… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 05:05:36 PM
MARVEL Pwns (Whilst DC Drones) Awesome. That may be the best subject line EVER. I mean, it rhymes and you said, 'pwns'. Hahaha!!!
I hope you die.... by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 05:09:06 PM
DIE MONSTER DIE! The undead should not talk.
Good to have you by El Vale	Mar 8th, 2007 05:16:06 PM
Mr QuesadaSolutions.
The Red Skull's Body Is A Clone of Cap's... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 05:39:59 PM
...which is a good argument against continuity, but it's something to think about. Everybody hated the SPIDER CLONE RETURNS saga, right? I didn't read it myself, having read the first Spider Clone stories in the early days of my comic book addiction. But the Clone Saga is universally loathed. Watch the whole damned Marvel Universe become a clone saga. Like I told Quesdilla (I can't use Al Quesada because I'd owe El money and I can't figure out the damned dollar to dinero exchange rate), Millar, Bendis and Alonzo Axl: it's no achievement to piss off the guys who call you on your bullshit; the achievement is winning us over.
I know who's replacing Steve Rogers by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 05:56:13 PM
Charlie America of the New Paramounts.
CW IS Socially Relevant... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 06:00:34 PM
I think it's about time somebody said something about all these damned superheroes. Just step outside your door and you almost get your face burnt off by a heat ray. Mutter so much as an "Oh, nice" about it and you get buried up to your eyeballs in adamantium. I think it's courageous of the Marvel Comics group to tackle this issue in this day and age. Why, just last month, I was using some of my frequent flyer miles when the plane was blown off course by one of those bastards flying by in pursuit of some idiot in something called an Atomo-Car. I mean, I'm crossing the parking lot at the mall at a half-ton green bastard drops out of the sky and lands inches from me. I was such a nervous wreck I had to eat a Cinn-o-bun and I haven't eaten sweets in two years. Comic books are no longer for kids. They deal with the hard issues. On one hand, billionaires should be free to dress up like rodents or golems or whatever and drive around in unlicensed jetmobiles or soar through the sky via their booster shorts. On the other, regular joes like me should be able to walk their dog at night without getting out butts sniffed by Krypto, Hulkdog and Lockjaw. Thank you, Marvel Comics for so eloquently stating our plight. I applaud you! I appauld you!
Steve Rogers Replace By His Daughter... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 06:08:16 PM
...whom no one knew he had. Every superhero has a daughter that neither he nor his fans knew that he had. These mystery daughters will one day replace their fathers. I'm personally waiting for the new female Iron Man. "How come none of us have sons?" "Claremont." "Nuff said." Look for Stephanie Rogers as Captain America. In the opening issue she'll face the menace of the Strawberry Blonde Skull and her henchperon Jumped Bones. The issue ends with the appearance of the latest, greatest, girliest incarnation of that metallic monster the Sleeparounder. Also, just wait until Stephanie teams up with Sam Wilson's daughter and replacement, Sammi Wilson, aka Li'l Falcon.
The Patriot Act is NOT the same as the Registration Act by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:13:04 PM
I did NOT have to register as a superhero as a result of the Patriot Act. In all seriousness, though, they're not. The Registration Act is active: you must reveal yourself and then we'll keep tabs on you. The Patriot Act is passive: we'll keep tabs on you and if needed we'll reveal you.
But What About The Superheroes? by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 06:16:01 PM
Hypno-gassings! Gamma fallout! Only yesterday my cousin Rico Maverik was beaned by a coupling cylinder from a killer robot that had been smashed by one of those superjerks Thunder Baton over seventy miles away.
Buzz: I feel your pain by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:17:03 PM
It's why I moved out of the City. That and because Brachiating Man kept looking in my window while I was undressing.
Thanks, chrth. Makes Ya Long For A World... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 06:20:30 PM
...full of talking ducks without pants.
Has there ever been a superhero who kept his identity by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:20:43 PM
secret as a diversion? You know, they had no relatives or people they were close to so they weren't vulnerable. But they still did the secret identity thing in the hopes that a villain or two would waste their time trying to find a weakness? I'd do that.
Ducks?!? Oh no! by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:22:20 PM
They laugh at your hairstyle and sleep with your wife!
I Get It. Registration Act=Pants On Ducks Act. by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 06:28:51 PM
Liberal hogwash, if you ask me! Those damned ducks can wear pants just like the rest of us do most of the time (and I can explain that time on the roof of the campus security office...)
"a frightening number of people are practically begging by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:33:51 PM
to have their civil liberties taken away based on the thinest of pretenses" Are these people in Fantasyland, because I haven't seen any massive pro-Patriot Act rallies.
If Superheroes Don't Exist... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 06:37:08 PM
...who put all the president's head back on Mt. Rushmore the time they were highjacked by Montaglia? When Whacked Clown was mowing down rush hour traffic in his impenetrable Street Sweeper O' Death, who was it that kept pelting it with Energy Orbs until it melted? Yeah, they don't exist...like the Radium Horde didn't invade the surface world in '86 only to be stopped by the crew of that space shuttle that went missing after a "mishap" with a comet a few years earlier...
You know, the Presidents' heads are a natural formation by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:39:48 PM
Abe Lincoln told me.
We get letters, we get lettters... by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 06:44:07 PM
Geoff J. writes: [Dear Squashua,] Maybe it's because I've fallen out of step with Powers (I think I read the last TPB, and that was... a while ago), but I have no idea what your review is supposed to mean. Would you mind clarifying? - - - - Thanks for writing, Geoff I certainly can clarify for you. In this issue of Powers, Mr. Bendis overuses a particular word as spoken the major source of prime evil in an otherwise excellent storyline; in fact, so excellent as to, in my opinion, rival the issue he wrote featured masturbating primates. I hope that clears everything up. Sincerely, Squashua
Masturbating primates?!? by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:48:13 PM
Oh, you mean monkeys. Never mind.
Thalya re: BRAVE AND BOLD by Prof Challenger	Mar 8th, 2007 06:50:27 PM
I was all prepared to sit down and give a deep open-mouth kiss to B&B #1 and just literally ran out of time this past week. I apologize. Consider me spanked. It was worth it. I may still do a "Better Late Than Never" review anyway. :)
ZombieSolutions… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 07:06:59 PM
in all of your brilliance you may have done some actual research before typing things like this, "MARVEL has been leading the pack for ages whereas DC barely registers a blip on the radar" - why don't you check out the following link whilst thinking about not typing moronic stuff like describing Civil War as "zeitgeist-tastic wonderment" huh? 2006 Year End Sales: http://tinyurl.com/2fk6dx January 07 Sales: http://tinyurl.com/2p7967 That's the year end sales charts of 2006. As anyone can clearly see, DC registers far more than a blip. Also, nobody was really defending DC (wait for T to get here), but you're right - we don't like challenging stories… well, at least the kind that are challenging in the sense that a story asks us to believe that Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Peter Parker, Steve Rogers, etc. would act completely our of character to fit said story instead of the story fitting the character. Yeah, I don't want that type of 'challenging' story. You can keep that shit whilst getting 'pwned' by the voice of reason.
It's no use arguing with ZS by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 07:12:00 PM
Anyone who hasn't made the effort to update his Kos-approved Rhetoric after last November is not going to respond to reason. He's probably still waiting for Bush to re-enact the draft.
that was meant as 'out' of character, not 'our' by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 07:12:19 PM
edit feature, blah, blah…
Too true, chrth… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 07:14:27 PM
I saw Peter's hair cut. Crazy.
That was a great touch. What a great show by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 07:16:59 PM
I lurve it so much I think I'm anticipating the DVD release more than the next episode. Who knew that in Mohinder's next life he would be a ceiling fan?
Civil War Pro's And Con's by Jinxo	Mar 8th, 2007 07:19:11 PM
I'll actually agree with many of the words being used to describe Civil War: challenging, thoughtful, socially relevant, politically astute... etc... But a story can still be all of that and also be no fun, a bummer, depressing... And no matter how deeply meaningful and complex a book is, if after reading it you think, "I feel disgusted and like I never want to read a comic book again," then it's a failure. I don't read comics for social metaphors and commentary on society. Don't get me wrong, if that stuff is in there and well done that's great. But the primary reason I plunked down my money every week is for fun entertainment. If you can entertain me and enlighten me, that's awesome. But don't get so caught up in the socio-political "real world" metaphors that entertainment and fun take a back seat to it.
I don't care if a story is socially relevant... by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 07:21:22 PM
I care if it's (what's the word?)...oh yeah, good. The thing is, it's not really "zeitgeisty". The Patriot Act and war on terror has been going on for 5+ years. If anything, it's behind the times. Why don't you read Watchmen if you have suck a woody for politically-themed, realistic comics. I actually really like The Ultimates. It made more sense, was done with new characters, therefore, nothing could be "out of character", and it launched around 9/11, making it more zeitgeisty-since you're all hard over zeitgeists.
I may disagree a little more, Jinxo… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 07:32:19 PM
but you have valid points. I think it also depends on what a book starts out as and what its intentions are and should be. The Avengers should be a group of superheroes fighting villains and alien invasions. That's not saying it can't be somewhat relevant of the times, but not nearly as much as CW was. I friggin hate the way our country is being run currently and the last thing I want is a guy who sticks to walls and has a spider-sense telling me that our country is in the shitter. Books like The Walking Dead though start out with the social relevance and the allegory of man being more dangerous than Zombies etc. and they stick with it and it works for certain books like that. Btw, Jinxo. Welcome! Good to have a new @$$hole.
The thing that bugs me about the Registration Act by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 08:09:48 PM
Is that it's the Spirit of '75 all over again. The Keane Act obviously didn't work, why would we expect the Registration Act to work?
Prof, were you just down at a watering hole? by Thalya	Mar 8th, 2007 08:24:40 PM
lets steam escape her collar Damn, everyone's getting loosened up around here.. offers Banana cream pie?
Al Quesada's inverted penis... by loodabagel	Mar 8th, 2007 09:20:00 PM
Thayla, I would like a pie. May I have a pie please? Well, sorry Captain America, but there's not much I can do for you. That Iron Man guy is acting like a bigger douche every day of the week, and goddamnit, I'm getting used to it. This guy's fueling his suit from baby blood now and I hear he's got plans to form some allegiances with Darksied and Darth Vader, regarding control of the universe. Shit. Cap, you got out while the getting was good. Iron Man is Hal Jordan Fuck that government bullshit. Let's talk about Runaways. The Runaways are basically kings of the Marvel Universe and I think they should let Spiderman, Daredevil, She Hulk and maybe Moon Knight or Iron Fist join their team. They deserve it. Also, I'd like it if everyone had a cute anime hat.
My "shop" by loodabagel	Mar 8th, 2007 09:21:05 PM
Stopped getting 52. Now if that isn't just the biggest fuck you to the fans, I don't know what is.
Looda... by Thalya	Mar 8th, 2007 09:59:23 PM
You sure you want a pie?
Looda by El Vale	Mar 8th, 2007 10:11:16 PM
I can't believe 52 has fans.
Socially relevant, challenging, thought provoking by Movietool	Mar 8th, 2007 11:37:58 PM
And absolutely 100% devoid of fun. Not one moment of joy - just page after page of socially relevant melodrama. Nothing inherently wrong with that, of course, except for the fact that nobody's reading anymore. Today's best-selling books would have been considered utter failures in terms of sales in the eighties. But, by all means, keep grinding away at deconstructionist stories, Marvel and DC, you'll succeed in having zero customers in no time.
MarvelZombieSolutions by vroom socko	Mar 9th, 2007 12:33:58 AM
I hate to reiterate my own review, but I guess I'd better. You know all the elements from Civil War that you're talking about? The social relevance, the culteral zeitgeist whatever-the-fuck, all the stuff you loved about the book? It's been done. Better. Twenty years ago. In three books called Squadron Supreme, The Dark Knight Returns, and Watchmen. Oh, and two of those three were published by DC. Not that it matters; most of the more culturally relivant comics I've read were published by people other than Marvel and/or DC. (Zeitgeist? Stop trying to impress a bunch of comics readers by acting smart and superior. It won't work.)
...cause we're already smart and superior by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 12:53:18 AM
You heard it here first folks!
Exactly by vroom socko	Mar 9th, 2007 01:33:16 AM
Listen to El Vale. He is a source of wisdom. (Of course, his source of wisdom is the severed head of Vasco Núñez de Balboa, which he keeps in a Tupperware bowl under his bed so it can whisper to him the secrets of the universe while he sleeps.)
Civil War is socially relevant? Wha-huh? by superhero	Mar 9th, 2007 02:06:37 AM
It's socially relevant because the Registration Act is barely disguising itself as a piss poor version of The Patriot Act? How the fuck is that socially relevant? Marvel creates an event that so obviously mirrors what the supposed current zeitgeist is and that's socially relevant? Um, no. That's called writing some crappy assed super hero fictional story instead of tackling the real issues in today's society. Socially relevant would have been Captain America ACTUALLY fighting against the Patriot Act. Socially relevant would have been speaking out about the actual issues in today's society. But, see, corporate mainstream characters can't actually do that, can they? Dark Knight Returns was socially relevant...it actually changed the way comics were made. Civil War is just using current events to try and be meaningful. Which it's not. It's hucksterism pretending to be more important than it could ever hope to be. Please Civil War is just as subtle and just as "socially relevant" as Rosanne Barr singing the National Anthem.
Sorry Vroom...hadn't read your post... by superhero	Mar 9th, 2007 02:08:45 AM
Right on my brother...right on...
I'm not saying you can't do political allegory. by vroom socko	Mar 9th, 2007 03:59:18 AM
I'm saying the bar is set pretty damn high in this medium and this genre, and if you're going to do it you should do it well. Civil War didn't do it well. Not by a long shot. You got any examples that refute that? In fact, do you got anything constructive to say TallBoy, or do you just like to insult anyone who has an opinion you don't like. What am I saying, it's the TB, that's all anyone does here. Oh, and you must be the first person to ever complain about paragraph breaks in Talkback. That's hilarious, really. Everyone else has been complaining about NOT having them for the past ten years. Man, what a cutup.
I didn't see any 'social relevance' in Civil War... by stones_throw	Mar 9th, 2007 07:08:46 AM
I saw an America-hating British writer shoe-horning post-9/11 events into the Marvel Universe (also blatantly ripping of WATCHMEN) as an excuse for Captain America and Iron Man to punch eachother, the FF to split up, Spidey to unmask and a million other out of character and money grabbing events. Forcing headlines into what is essentially juvenile fiction ain't social relevance.
How Many Of Y'All Would Worry About Patriot Act... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 9th, 2007 08:07:26 AM
...if that wasn't what Marvel's press releases overtly TOLD you that CW was about? Would you give a crap about freedom if it weren't threatened in your comic books? Were you the same people eating up those post-9/11 Cap vs. Al Queada comics? Remember the Bullseye comic where he worked for Al Queada (I think K-Smith couldn't be bothered to finish that)? So what actual BOOKS are you reading about the subject? (Google something quick!). What political journals? You know, you don't have to justify liking comic books. If you want to look smart, there's better ways to do it than reading comics. Obviously, I don't read comics to look intellectual! As Good Will Hunting told the grad student in the bar, "At least I won't be unoriginal." Have a thought that didn't come from Joe, Axel or Marvel PR. Freedom starts right now, with thinking for yourselves. As for allegory, I'll have an unoriginal thought of my own and echo Professor Tolkien (who may have been a little more intellectual than Joe or Axel, what with the Oxford professorship, and was an even better British writer than Mark Millar):"I hate allegory."
Tall Boy - the difference is . . . by Movietool	Mar 9th, 2007 08:47:23 AM
that in the 80's a deep, socially relevant, deconstructionist Superhero story was the EXCEPTION and not the RULE. Back then, most comics were trying to tell fun, rip-roaring stories that engaged the imagination. Now, they're all trying to create their own opus that's as good as "Watchmen" before they move out to California and sell a script or two. The result? Lower sales and practically no new readers picking up comics, because kids don't want to be taught a lesson when they're being entertained - they want to see the big monster punch an army tank accross three city blocks. Nowadays, the tank would land on an abortion clinic and we'd have to endure ten pages of talking heads discussing the social relevance.
SO WHAT if it's a fuckin' 'allegory'... by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 09:06:59 AM
The allegory is what? That our government is really a bunch of fascist fucks right now? No shit fuckfaces. WOW, I really needed something that I've shelled out my hard earned cash TO BE ENTERTAINED telling me what actually happening in the world around me ('Cuz you know the news just won't do that at all). I've been spending my own (either earned or stolen) money supporting this ENTERTAINMENT industry for the last 30 fucking years. And when it comes to shoehorning 'real life' into superhero comics why don't you chew on this for a moment: "First off, the idea that superhero comics should reflect the news headlines is not one I tend to subscribe to. I've always preferred using my comics to talk about the world around me in the language of symbolism and metaphor and I'm more interested in telling stories about how people behave in bizarre situations than I am in commenting on current events." A-fucking-men. (and thanks Grant)
Oh and Zombiesolutions? by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 09:16:20 AM
Just what does Al Quesada's cock taste like?
Uh... by loodabagel	Mar 9th, 2007 09:44:02 AM
Runaways?
It's not enough... by vroom socko	Mar 9th, 2007 09:56:13 AM
to be a good allegory. It has to also be a good story. Civil War is not a good story. It's barely even a good allegory. If the only point to CW was to slam the Patriot Act, then so what? Keith Olbermann does the same thing every night on tv. You think DKR was ONLY about Reganomics? Those older stories endure because their themes and ideas work on a much broader spectrum than CW. There's more to them than allegory. Civil War has no room to breathe as a story, the pages are so chocked full of allegory that probably isn't going to be relivant in a few years time anyway. It's dry, unoriginal, uninspired, and if it's the best damn alegory you've seen TallBoy, then you really need to read more.
Movietool by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 09:59:34 AM
"kids don't want to be taught a lesson when they're being entertained - they want to see the big monster punch an army tank accross three city blocks. Nowadays, the tank would land on an abortion clinic and we'd have to endure ten pages of talking heads discussing the social relevance." I LOL'd!
re: Tallboy's ginormous post by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 10:04:04 AM
There is so much blatantly wrong with almost everything you said, I don't know where to start. Wait, yes I do: Civil War re-hashing or not being as good as Watchmen or DKR is NO ONE'S primary argument against it. It's not even in the top 5.
That's the thing about CW...... by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 10:10:23 AM
There's not an original story beat or idea in any one of the 7 issues. Not. A. One.
Movin' on up by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 10:42:51 AM
I see you tryin' to mad-eye us Lost TB, oh yes I do.
Okay I'LL tie us then by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 10:49:20 AM
Not so smug now are you Lost TB.
Yukitup, Buzz, But Freedom IS At Stake. by Buzz Maverik	Mar 9th, 2007 11:04:00 AM
Since revealing yer secret identity is THE thing to do this year...my name is Miles Maverik. I'm a mild mannered motion picture producer. But I've found myself in possession of a suit of sentient armor that may be alive. When I don that suit, I become a defender of justice called Bio-Mechanic. That's just Bio-Mechanic, btw, not THE Bio-Mechanic, dammit! So, the other day, the implants in my brain pick up a signal that Johnny Testosterone is rampaging on the Promenade. Like I'm going to like some super-steroid case destroy Fatburger, right? I'm down there, being a good citizen, disrupting his molecules when some guy in a suit comes up to me and says,"You got a license for that thing?" License? It turns out that wearing a set of clothes that are really a futurist quantum accelerator takes a permit these days. And poor Johnny didn't get off much better. He wasn't charged with throwing the Pier into the Pacific, but it turns out Hormone-Triple X is a controlled substance and this is Johnny's third strike. Call me smarmy if you want (although I prefer "snarky")but this is exactly the kind of thing that CW is trying to save us from!
We Have To Take The Fun Out Of Our Fun, Ya Know. by Buzz Maverik	Mar 9th, 2007 11:28:09 AM
Of course, there should be ALL kinds of comics but let's face it, there aren't. That said, intellectualizing and academicizing our pop culture to justify the fact that most of us are chronologically men desperately hanging on to what is viewed as a child's entertainment is making the medium...what is the word I'm looking for...oh, yeah: suck. Let's look at other hobbies, shall we? Yesterday, I took my sons Bruce and Willis to the local park to play. We have a kick ass park nearby with several playgrounds, atheletic fields and it even has a track for grown men to race their radio controlled cars (I'm sorry but how can anybody say that WE comic fans are geeks?). My kids and I wander over there because it's cool and we like cars and racing and toys, right? We're watching, and I can't help but notice that my boys and I are the only ones smiling. All these guys, who are in their 30s and 40s and look like blue collar guys, are grim and serious, working frantically, rushing around. None of them were having fun with their toys. I think comic fans are a lot like that. Look at this talkback. The only people getting any joy out of CW are those of us who are mocking it. If you're really concerned about the Patriot Act, join the ACLU. Get active. Start a rally. Write the mainstream media, not an obscure website or a comic book message board. But if you have to be beaten over the head with the allegory, then the allegory is without art. Let's look at comics. Did Stan or Marvel TELL anybody at the time that the FF was about the evolution of the American family in the latter half of the 20th Century? Were we told that Spider-Man was about guilt, responsibility, inner-strength and redemption? The target audience would have rightly said, "Nuh-uh" if you told them that's DC's Silver Age Flash (a cop) and Green Lantern (a test pilot) represented American post-war dominance and prosperity (provided you were a white male at the time). Let's see, during the Vietnam War, the Hulk battled the US Military who wanted to make him conform. Superman is the Jungian savior from the outside, come to save us but never join us. Batman is twisted by a grudge and is never free. X-Men: we're told overtly now that they are oppressed minorites but I prefer the simple: kids grow up to be different than their parents. My Bronze Age favorites: Ghost Rider & Son of Satan: dark side of the counter culture; Luke Cage: black empowerment seen through the eyes of well meaning white liberals; Master of Kung Fu:...uh, martial arts comics are really cool...But we were never told any of that at the time. When you get your impassioned statements straight from Marvel (or the media that Marvel is sending press kits) you're getting your ideology from people who were paid to think that way. I just wish they'd be honest. "Hey, we're in the comic book business. We like what we do. We want good lives for ourselves and our families. We like that we can provide some entertainment and enjoyment and escape for our readers."
Remeber when reading comic books used to be fun? by Mr Incredible	Mar 9th, 2007 11:33:35 AM
What happened to those days? Seriously, what happened to them?
We're No. 3!! by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 11:35:04 AM
Ownage.
Right on, Buzz. by stones_throw	Mar 9th, 2007 11:50:21 AM
I haven't heard any of the Civil War apologists come up with anything other than the Marvel sponsored publicity lines.
What Buzz said..... by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 12:13:32 PM
Amen.
Up yours Gyllenhaal TB! by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 12:19:37 PM
Get thee behind me Satan.
Up your Gyllenhaal TB! by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 12:19:41 PM
Get thee behind me Satan.
C'mon people! by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 12:46:30 PM
I can't kick the other TB's asses by myself ya know. fires up Cog-signal....Goddammit, they nicked the lightbulb again! Fuckers......
Cog Signal? Oh snap, snap, snap! by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 12:55:46 PM
Gyllenhaal to replace Katie Holmes? I love me some Maggie (ever since that damn sexy The Secretary poster. Growwwl.) but I hate when characters are replaced by different actors unless it's unavoidable like Harris as Dumbledore or something. What do you folks think? That right Gyllenhaal TB, I'm stealing your shit!
Gorram it! by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 12:59:46 PM
'That's right Gyllenhaal TB' The apostrophe and s totally make that sentence sound like something at least normal. I mean, it's not as cool as using 'whilst', 'zeitgeist' or 'pwned', but it does the job.
i'm still at a loss at how by blackthought	Mar 9th, 2007 01:26:55 PM
some thought civil war was good. brad walker and i just eviscerate the book but then again i'll gladly take any civil war issues for my fire place...it's cold here. and sayid should kick marvel's ass.
I do read comics to look intellectual! by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 01:30:35 PM
People just laugh tho' Frowny face
I'd put mine up gyllenhaal's... by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 01:35:29 PM
Maggie, natch.
walking dead #35 scene by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 01:40:30 PM
when Glenn and Maggie are laying on the bed about to DO IT, and Glenn is like "shit do I smell smoke??" I thought for sure he was going to go out and try to stop them burning bodies because the Governor's clan would see the smoke and know where to find them. I kind of wish more bad stuff happened as a result of zombies getting into the prison. Maybe it will happen. I dunno, I guess I'm just a sick bastard that wants to see these characters be put through hell some more.
Watchmen and DKR vs Civil War by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 01:46:45 PM
Watchmen didn't star Batman and Superman and the like. I can boil it down to that. It was its own thing and it was all the better for it. Even DKR was its own thing, sort of elseworldsey, set in a "dystopian future" etc...and let's not forget some people outright rejected it when it came out simply because it was Batman. Frank Miller (and that's so disturbing you'd mistakingly call him Frank Millar) got phone calls from former Batman creators telling him he'd ruined the character, if i remember correctly. Still, like someone smarter than me said above, those books had lots more going for them than just the allegories. If you're going to boil Watchmen down to just social relevance, you're out of your wits. In fact, that's the reason no one's been able to replicate the brilliance of Watchmen so far: it's not about the one thing. I could even quote Alan Moore and say Watchmen is about how reality mirrors itself, but that doesn't even begin to cover it either. DKR on the other hand was intrinsically about Batman as a character. And that's the reason so many people reject Civil War so, it was never about Iron Man or Captain America as characters. It was about the hamfisted political allegory and social relevance, with a bunch of firmly established characters shoehorned into convenient enough places to serve the storyline. That, my friends, is fanfiction at it's blatant worst.
Oh shit! by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 01:48:34 PM
I haven't read the nww Walking Dead yet! BRB.
Ahhh! No WD spoilers!!!! by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 01:50:05 PM
I'm too poor and I haven't gotten my books yet! I'm sick to death of talking about the… death of Cap. Let's discuss the death's that Jack Bauer has caused and what weapons he used to do them: www.bauercount.com
oops! by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 02:03:11 PM
Sorry about the spoilers dudes. Vale, that was a post of beauty, mi amigo. Quoted For Fucking Truth: "And that's the reason so many people reject Civil War so, it was never about Iron Man or Captain America as characters. It was about the hamfisted political allegory and social relevance, with a bunch of firmly established characters shoehorned into convenient enough places to serve the storyline."
All done by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 02:05:52 PM
Sincerely thought it was gonna be far worse for those people. Oh well, we're sick bastards i guess.
Thanks Shig by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 02:09:27 PM
You guys didn't see it comming!
Crikey! by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:14:10 PM
Hard to keep up with all the comic related news. First off, can't wait to see 300 in IMAX this weekend. Secondly, TallBoy made yet another inane post on the Rorshach/300 TB. Moriarty had to reply. As for Rorshach? The mask looks different than what I'd have it be, but this is only a test. I haven't been excited or against the Watchmen movie, but Snyder seems like he at least cares. He's setting it in 1985 and including the Pirate story. That's cool with me. Whatever ends up happening we'll always have the classic book and Civil War will always suck. Some thing just won't change. Mmm… Maggie! I'd much prefer Natalie Portman as Indy's daughter over Louis Stevens (Even Stevens son!!!) but the kid isn't a bad actor, he's just not Natalie Portman, but he should be. He definitely doesn't look like Indy. Marion though? Hmm… Spileberg has the TinTin rights? I know nearly nothing about the source material. Is this good? People likey? Comic Justice was THE WORD on The Colbert Report last night. Crazy. Does anyone care about the Rob Zombie remake of Halloween?
Vale… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:18:27 PM
what Shig said. Period.
The thing about Watchmen..... by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 02:18:28 PM
Is that it was a story idea that Moore had for DC's acquisition of the Charlton character library. All he did was change the names when Dc said "Uhh...No we don't think so/" Dr. Manhattan= Captain Atom Silk Spectre= Nightshade Nite Owl=Blue Beetle Rorschach= The Question Ozymandias= Thunderbolt True story.
Good point, Psy. by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:22:36 PM
And also very true.
And regarding Mr. Moore..... by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 02:23:45 PM
For me, the bloom was off the rose permanently when I read about his "Twilight of the Gods/Ragnarok" idea he had for the DCU. It was kind of Kingdom Come but with the big guns all in charge of their respective 'families' (Wondy married Supes for example) but the sick kicker is that he had Captain and Mary Marvel having a kid together. Sorry Alan, but your desire to pervert those 2 heroes of my childhood that depravely just sucks ass bud.
TinTin by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 02:25:10 PM
TinTin is probably one of the best comics series ever created. This is the stuff i grew up reading and it still holds up. They're just amazing and fun adventure stories featuring some of the best comic book characters ever (Captain Haddock is probably my favorite comic book character), and Hergé's art is some of the best comics art i've ever seen. Highly recommended, TinTin is my childhood.
Watchmen really benefited by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 02:28:15 PM
From not being able to use said characters.
yeah... by blackthought	Mar 9th, 2007 02:30:39 PM
heathen i like that bauer site...it's hilariously heart warming...makes me feel safe to know how many and how bauer dispatched of villainy...i wonder what he'd do to alqueseda (sounds like a bad taco bell product)...season 4's kill total will hopefully be topped this season.
You guys are nuts... by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 02:34:55 PM
Anybody replacing Katie Holmes is a step up.
Maggie Gyllenhaal's fug by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 02:36:54 PM
You heard me.
I agree Vale... by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 02:37:10 PM
But I'm always so mystified at how he gets damn near deified when people talk about Watchmen. Given that his intent WASN'T any kind of relevant social commentary, it was an attempt to deconstruct and humiliate existing characters. I mean, hey, I enjoyed Watchmen, I just knew what it really was from the outset.
Twilight of the Superheroes by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:44:49 PM
Sounded amazing actually. If anyone hasn't read the treatment, Google it and print out he ten pages or so. Kingdom Come and even some of the ideas surrounding House of M stemmed from Twilight. Moore loved Crisis so much he went to DC and said he wanted to do a big mega event thing too and that's what he gave them. I liked the idea about having the different Houses and the way it begins and ends with John Constantine was brilliant. I'll look into TinTin, Vale. I knew it was highly regarded, but I've never read anything from it. I agree in some ways about not using the DC characters for Watchmen. Basically because it sets it apart and because Superman could have wrecked that monster thing up I guess. I don't think anyone will argue that it should have been the other way at least.
Watchmen flick by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 02:46:02 PM
If I was writing a script the first thing I would have done would be to excise the pirate story. They are going to have trouble fitting everything in in the first place, and the pirate comic works so well because of it's meta comic-within-a-comic thing.
Oh so you dig incest Heath? by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 02:48:17 PM
I knew you were a perv.
i think in greengrass' adaptation it was excised... by blackthought	Mar 9th, 2007 02:48:19 PM
no piratas at all. and you know, i'd love for DC and Moore to come back and revisit twighlight...imagine that work if it came to fruition in an absolute edition...drooling.
I never said Maggie wasn't a step up… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:49:15 PM
I just don't like changing actors or actresses mid-movies like that, especially when the person is living and well. Maggie is cute, maybe not as cute as Jake, but still cute as hell. Plus, she's a damn fine actress. I dunno, thought. Jack's got his work cut out for him to top season 4. Here's hoping though! I love that site.
I would have killed to see Greengrass' take. by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 02:51:15 PM
And I too would also kill for an absolute hardcover twilight of the superheroes...
Hey, Psy… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:51:34 PM
I live as deep down South as you do, just more near those rural parts. Mmm hmm… incest! ; )
Absolut Twilight? by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:53:51 PM
… excuse me while I change my pants. Greengrass would have rocked indeed. I got some faith in Snyder though.
The New Cap by Pogue__Mahone	Mar 9th, 2007 03:14:00 PM
Know what would be cool and ballsy!? Having someone equally cool and ballsy pick up the Mantle of Captain America. Not Bucky... that's TOO easy! BUt what better way to honour his fallen friend than by donning the red, white and blue... and it'll get red neck American's up in arms! My vote for the new Captain America? LUKE CAGE!!!
Watchmen movie by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 03:15:20 PM
Aw man, i don't know...i never wanted it to happen but what can you do, right? Psy, Moore was in a very snobbish place when he started writing Watchmen. Since he was going to be writing a superhero book, and isn't that embarrassing, he thought he'd turn it into something intellectual, complex, challenging and ultimately very pretentious so his friends wouldn't make fun of him. Street cred is important. Why is that ok? Because he made a freaking masterpiece he did. And making fun of superheroes is cool...cause they're silly runs away
Twilight of the Superheroes. by Tito Trinidad	Mar 9th, 2007 03:36:02 PM
Wow, its funny that you guys are talking about this. I just discovered it 2 weeks ago. What struck me is that even though it was just a treatment, I found myself completely engrossed. Hell, I had already picked artists in my head. The artist from CW would have been great on this.
Moore's an ass if you ask me by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 03:43:19 PM
There I said it. I stick by it so....Flame ON motherfuckers! (With acknowledgement to the Turtle God who coined it). Direct quote regarding V, Watchmen & DC: "Right, I see, you've scammed me quite nicely." BULLSHIT Alan, just because you were too stoned to actually read your fucking contract automatically means you were hoodwinked? Nuh-ih don't think so jackass......
Exactly, Tito… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 03:43:28 PM
Same here. I could completely visualize it and was engrossed in it just from the treatment. I'd personally picture a Alex Ross, John Cassaday, Bryan Hitch or Ethan Van Sciver, but Steve McNiven would be interesting. I'd like to see him do any sort of DC work.
And you also love Promethea, Psy? by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 03:45:09 PM
confuzzled
And hey Heath by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 03:45:44 PM
I have no problem with incest, it's the inbred babies that yuck me out. (They never taste right with barbecue sauce!)
Goddamn you Gyllenhaal TB!! by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 03:46:31 PM
That bitch keeps outpacing us!
Also, just to post.. by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 03:48:59 PM
Anyone here _not_ like Marvel's house coloring style? It annoys me for some reason. I think the publisher's smug self-righteous self-importance drips down into it, actually.
You caught me Katie by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 03:51:49 PM
I ADORE Promethea (mainly because I never have to explain Kaballah & mysticism to anyone again. I can just go 'Wait, just read this. ALL of this.') Didn't say I had a problem with his work produced now, just don't care for him as a person because he has a penchant for crying foul, playing the victim, and painting anyone else involved as a villain.
What is with Alan Moore and incest? by rev_skarekroe	Mar 9th, 2007 03:51:54 PM
Twilight of the Superheroes, Smax, Lost Girls... Seriously, I really hope he's not boinking his daughters.
Uh-oh… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 03:52:38 PM
Psy just opened up a can of worms while ensuring us the top TB spot and that Vale gets no sleep for the next few days! Ha, ha. Vale and I went over this around the time V was released and I had the same thoughts that Psy does. Although I think Moore is brilliant, I do think he's a sucker for not having his shit straight not only for one thing, but multiple things he's written/created. It should only take being screwed once over to know that you better read the fine print and hire a lawyer for the next thing you work on, BUT I don't think he's an asshole. I used to, but that was before I heard what he sounded like. He really sounds like a sweet man with the best intentions. Sure, maybe a little gullible in regards to business, but not an ass in the least. I think there was a podcast or something on Fan Boy Radio (episode 349). Search for it and listen. It's worthwhile.
Psy… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 03:58:21 PM
try them incest babies with A-1. It helps them dry meat things go down easier. I still haven't finished LOST GIRLS because after seeing Michael and John stroke each other off while Peter Pan took advantage of Wendy… well, it freaked me the fuck out. A-1 did not help that time!
It is ON bitch! by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 04:01:43 PM
Alright...here we go.
Ho-lee sheeit Thalya! RE: MarvelColors by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 04:02:29 PM
I've not said anything becuase I thought it was just me! I swear to GOD I said that very same thing in my LCS a few weeks back!
Hot cha cha! by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 04:06:44 PM
Great minds think alike, Psy! And it's just too darn orange. And also: Final page of Civil War #2 that you've seen if you just peeked at articles on Newsarama, y'know, the one with Peter Parker, mask off, in front of the media? I think the pencils looks like crap. That's supposed to be a FACE?
Marvel's house coloring style? by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 04:06:55 PM
Please explain?
NO Vale! Just NO by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 04:08:01 PM
We will NOT fight over some filthy goddamn hippie. We just ain't goin' there.
H.. by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 04:08:42 PM
I think it has something to do with the gradients in the computer coloring process. It's too orange and it's too yuuucckk...
We're #2! We're #2! by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 04:10:23 PM
We're beating out Indy's son and Rachael Dawes! Who would've thunk a Fox News comedy show would be at the top of AICN articles?
Ohhh… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 04:11:28 PM
ehh, that's basically just Frank D'Armata or whoever. Kind of unfair to call it a 'house style' when you have stellar work by Laura Martin, Jose Villarubia and others that do work under Marvel. Frank D did HoM, Uncanny X-Men, David Finch's stuff and other books that get a lot of press. I agree about his colors, but not really as a blanket statement. Vale and I got into the colors over HoM I believe. Where's Vale? He's writing his first chapter reply to Psy he is! ; )
Heath by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 04:12:46 PM
If your LCS will let you, take any 3 marvel books & any 3 DC books and open them up and lay them down side by side. I saw it most prominently in the skin tones. It's like Marvel's got a contract with the colors Red & Orange or something. I'm totally serial.
Really? by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 04:15:34 PM
With every book? Hmm. I'll look closer then. I'm pretty sure that both publishers get printed at Quebecor, so I don't know why that would be. Even on people's stuff that isn't Frank D'Armata?
Well... by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 04:16:39 PM
"House style" as in, not everyone uses it, but what gets resorted to if there's nothing special about the coloring. But I'm looking at images from Cap #25 and it's there too (who colored it?). It just looks all plasticine and fugly. I thought Marvel was going for "realism"?
Then again by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 04:19:22 PM
DC appears to be sucking Blue & Green's cocks. (Seriously go look at the DC books at your LCS, Either Blue or Green is THE prominent color on almost all of 'em).
Moore's the first to admit he was gullible by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 04:20:59 PM
That said, he was screwed in a way. With V, Watchmen etc the problem was quite simple: He (along with LLoyd and Gibbons) handed over ownership of the properties to DC and was promised as soon as the books went out of print, ownership would be returned to him and his artists. Bear in mind at the time, no comic had been in print for more than...whatever, 12 months or something. Absolutely no one expected the books would remain in print for 25 years, and that was where he/they got fucked. In fact, the contract still stands, as soon as V and Watchmen go out of print, he regains ownership of his work. Thing is, it's not going to happen anytime soon, sorry bud. Moore's stance on the subject? Take my name off it, i don't own it. DC would be happy to comply if having his name on the cover wasn't such a strong selling point. I mean really, Moore hasn't played the victim, he is the victim. The guy wants nothing to do with DC comics for the rest of his life and then, unbeknownst to him, Jim Lee sells Wildstorm to DC, including Moore's already signed ABC contract (and subcontracts). The guy purs his heart and soul into his League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comic, and then a couple assholes take him to court claiming said comic was only a smokescreen so Fox could steal ideas off their crappy Cast of Characters script. Wouldn't you be pissed? Thse days Moore only gets screwed retroactively and if he wants to vent, fucking let him...wouldn't you like to defend your life's work?
Well it does make sense... by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 04:21:42 PM
Look at the logos..
Cap #25… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 04:22:49 PM
was colored by D'Aramta too. Heh. You know, after thinking about it I do think that Marvel has more Reds and Oranges and DC has more Blues and Greens. Maybe it's because on one side there's Iron Man, Wolverine, Human Torch and on the other there's Batman, Green Lantern, Blue Beetle. It's an interesting debate though. One I've never heard talked about.
Alan Moore tried to rape my childhood!!! by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 04:23:28 PM
Well he did. (See previous post re: Watchmen/charlton & Twilight) I would've been 17 when Twilight came out if he's been able to get his loveletter to Constantine approved.
But at the same time.. by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 04:25:05 PM
Marvel in general has more earth tones, which means more reds and oranges, while DC tends to be very bright, and upping the blue in the RGB tends to make colors brighter, so..
"no one expected the books would remain in print…" by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 04:27:34 PM
for 25 years" Well, they should have a little more confidence about their work now shouldn't they? Especially after the first masterpiece let alone a second. Pff.
Oh no you didn't Thal! by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 04:27:57 PM
Are you seriously calling Steve McNiven's art crap? Aren't you the one who liked that Kramer guy's "art" in 'Tec?
True, T. by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 04:29:13 PM
True. I wonder if it is intentional though?
Well see now..... by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 04:31:09 PM
I ONLY mentioned the DC issues of Moore's. Because A) Just because THE MARKET changed allowing DC to retain the rights to those works doesn't mean they scammed him AT ALL. They have lived up to the letter of their contract with him ever since they signed it. The fact that he's not happy with it doesn't make it unethical on DC's part. And 2) as for the Wildstorm/DC thing? That doesn't have the merit to even be considered. That is just business plain and simple. Jim Lee had every right to sell to DC did he not? Sometimes bad luck is just bad luck.
I'm calling that unmasking page crap, Vale. by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 04:32:09 PM
Seriously, look at Spidey's face there and tell me that's halfway decent art.
McNIven's art is great… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 04:33:09 PM
but it still isn't redeeming enough to make Civil War worth a soggy poop from Alan Moore's Snake God, Glycon. Mutha Fuckin' GLYCON!!! Anyone know what McNiven is doing next?
Well it wasn't so much about faith... by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 04:34:18 PM
It was about a realistic forecast. There was no precedent for that kind of thing so why would they even consider it? Say your dad's never fucked you in the butt. There's no precedent for that kind of thing so you'd never expect it. Then one day you go to your dad's and he fucks you in the butt, and then every single time you complain, people are like "well you should've seen it coming". Unless you were making a joke, in which case...good one.
it always comes down to being fucked in the butt… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 04:36:44 PM
and yes, I was trying to make a joke before. So, thank you. ; )
No Vale not a joke by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 04:37:16 PM
Nor did I imply Moore 'should have foreseen' anything. What I meant was that given the dramatic change of circumstances (a market NO ONE saw coming) he should've gotten the fuck over himself. As I've said to many a friend and many a friend has said to me: "Get over yourself, deal with it." Yeh hear me, Alan?
When I Was Going To Write & Direct WATCHMEN... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 9th, 2007 04:47:13 PM
...I kicked out the pirate comic, which I loved in the comics, and replaced it with a traditional superhero comic. While Moore's idea that in a world with nasty superheroes, no one would want to read or let their kids read comics about superheroes, and that comics would go in a different direction made sense...I felt that either an animated sequence or a series of stills juxtaposing the mainstream and traditional image of the superhero with our protagonists would work better in a film. The Buzz Maverik Joint would not have been a faithful adaptation, but I'll bet Moore would have liked it. Think of a KILL BILL anti-structure, a stylistic trip on the source. I just saw 300, which had a style that I loved visually and never want to see again (Robert Rodriguez is a hero of mine & I dug the first SIN CITY but I won't be back for the others), but for me it was the usual Frank Miller inconsistent, muddled thinking. I am a sucker for his grotesquies but I'm kind of an...@$$hole and once I've seen a Yellow Bastard, I get the idea and I want to see something new.
No i was talking to Heath there Psy by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 04:47:27 PM
About the joke i mean. Yeah, i kno wwhat you mean...business...bad luck...wouldn't you feel bummed out tho'? The reason the guy keeps complaining is people keep asking. That said, i truly believe there are legitimate reasons for Moore to be pissed at DC, just because it's Alan frigging Moore and the guy knows what he's doing. And at least he has more integrity than Morrison, that pussy.
Huh. by Tito Trinidad	Mar 9th, 2007 04:53:13 PM
I thought Moore left DC because they were always serving split pea soup in the cafeteria. Go figure.
I think we can (we f'n should) agree that… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 04:57:24 PM
It would be awesome if Moore would ever touch a DC or Marvel character again… thing is, it ain't gonna happen. He mentions that in the FBR Podcast interview. That's a Fanboy's wet dream just like having David Fincher directing a Star Wars movie.
More Film Free @$$ociations by Buzz Maverik	Mar 9th, 2007 04:58:19 PM
I think this Zach Snyder guy is the real deal and will do a great job on WATCHMEN. I didn't see DAWN OF THE DEAD because I'd already seen DAWN OF THE DEAD and I'm not a big remake guy...300 made me want to resurrect the two planned epic Buzz Maverik Joints: GOOD FRIDAY, 1014; and GOLIATH based on the two main parts of my ethnic heritage (the proto-Maverik gene pool was probably in both places. As always, my writing fee and directing fee are the same: a million dollars, a Purdy shotgun, an H2 stocked with Habanas per job title. Plus, I get final cut; my nephew Dij Maverik does the score and my friend Eriglione's Mom runs craft services which features the best canoli west of Chicago.
I Wanted Rob Reiner To Direct A STAR WARS Movie. by Buzz Maverik	Mar 9th, 2007 05:02:17 PM
Fincher, like David Lynch on ROTJ, I can't imagine. But Rob Reiner, who directed the best scene ever of a kid's reaction to adult betrayal in STAND BY ME, would have made it clear why Anakin turned to the Dark Side. BTW, if you want to see the REAL transformation of Anakin Skywalker into Darth Vader, get yerself a DVD of the Russian gem NIGHT WATCH.
I actually disagree by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 05:05:37 PM
I don't think Moore should be doing DC/Marvel stuff. I mean outside of the big two he's made From Hell, Promethea, League, Lost Girls etc...plus V and Watchmen weren't about DC characters either, so those count as well. So basically i'd much rather read some of Moore's own stuff (tho' some would claim there's no such thing) than have him do X-Men or whatever. Same goes for every writer i like, in fact. Oh and Moore already wrote his dream Superman stories...it was called Supreme.
Night Watch's turn to the dark side. by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 05:08:13 PM
Hell's yes, Buzz. As a film alone I think that Night Watch isn't as strong as it could be, but it instantly makes you crave to see the second movie Day Watch. I can't wait for it to come out (whenever that is). Night Watch showed us what could have happened with the prequels, but unfortunately didn't. Word.
Actually… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 05:13:54 PM
Moore's best Superman story (or MY dream Superman story) was probably 'For the Man Who Has Everything' or the other one about a future Superman. The name slips my mind, but it was in two issues. I didn't mean he should be exclusive or anything, but I'd love to see Moore write X-Men. Wouldn't you? Get on the phone Al Quesada! Make that shit happen! Moore and somebody else awesome writes Astonishing X-Men after Whedon and Cass leave. Ahh, who am I kidding? It's probably going to be Jeph Loeb and Michael Turner or something.
Marvel Botched Moore Relations (again)... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 9th, 2007 05:21:56 PM
...a few years back by reprinting some CAPTAIN BRITAIN stories he'd done for them long ago. They were supposed to give some sort of credit or something--whatever--and they did exactly what they said they wouldn't. It was almost funny it was so inept. Here's why I can't see Moore working for Marvel : "Alan, about your story, great story, uh, Captain America is dead so you can't use him, and everyone knows Spider-Man is Peter Parker...Alan? Alan?...I think we've been cut off."
This may suprise many by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 05:37:41 PM
But i didn't care much for "For the man who has everything" and "Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow?". It be true, i may need to re read them. I did catch an animated version of "For the man who has everything" in the Superman animated series or something like that, and it was insanely cool.
You know by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 05:49:59 PM
A large portion of the prequels was dedicated to political allegory and "challenging subjects". They were still utter crap tho'. There's a time and there's a place.
Bsides 300, Xerxes Inspired One My Favorite Movies... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 9th, 2007 06:09:28 PM
...THE WARRIORS. It seems that a small band of Greek warriors, and representatives of several other oppressed nations, attended a peace conference held by the Persian Overlord. Things didn't go as planned, with the warriors from all the different cultures turning on each other and our heroes having to bop their way back to Coney...uh, Greece. I'll bet the Greek Ajax was extra cool. Wonder if the Greek Rembrandt was the same wuss as our Rembrandt. Was the Greek Swan too much of a pretty boy for his gang leader role? They should have gone with the Greek Tony Danza as originally cast.
CIVIL WAR? Intellectually challenging? by SleazyG.	Mar 9th, 2007 07:45:22 PM
Come back and talk to me when you're done reading all the "Encyclopedia Brown" books and we'll talk then.
I FUCKING LOVE CANNOLI. by SleazyG.	Mar 9th, 2007 07:45:59 PM
THAT IS ALL.
The most fucked-up thing about CIVIL WAR apologists... by SleazyG.	Mar 9th, 2007 07:57:36 PM
...is that if they buy that the Registration Act is meant to represent the Patriot Act, well...they just had Captain America, who's supposed to represent our country's ideals, the best we have to offer, the reasons we're the greatest country in the history of the world, decide to give up and surrender. Why? Because, in his own words, "the people"--the citizens of our fair nation--were actually "right". Which means the Registration Act is right. Which means a fascistic government that plays on its citizenry's greatest fears to carry out illegal acts of high treason...IS RIGHT. And CAPTAIN FUCKING AMERICA SAID SO. So while you mindless drones are claiming that we're the ones too stupid to get it, try applying a little intellectual fucking rigor to the story. Think about what actually happened, and what it really means, and maybe then you'll get it: Mark Millar thinks Americans are stupid, fascistic and deserving of a government that fucks them in the ass. No, wait: not just deserving of--welcoming of. And has for Millar and Quesada and Alonso and anybody else involved--well, either they really believe this right-wing fascistic crap is what the American people would want, in case, fuck them, or they're so cynical that they don't care what message they're sending as long as it sells comics. And no, that third option that they're making a sly commentary on the right wing isn't an option. Sorry, but Millar and Quesada just aren't capable of that level of subtlety, and there's years worth of comics to prove it.
Vroom said it all so eloquently. by Homer Sexual	Mar 9th, 2007 09:00:18 PM
Socko's review of CW7 expressed my feelings about Marvel so perfectly, I must give all kudos in gratefulness. Regarding no mention of Cap's death in this week's column...that is pretty lame. I know we'll read about it next week, but in this instance a more timely commentary would have been appreciated.
Cage as Cap? by Homer Sexual	Mar 9th, 2007 09:06:54 PM
That is actually an interesting concept. Won't happen. And I guess I am a girly man because while I think Claremont is a Stephen King-level example of someone past his prime, he used to be great and he respected his female characters. Kudos to that.
Claremont? Respect female characters? by SleazyG.	Mar 9th, 2007 10:12:10 PM
Ummm...I dunno about that one at all. More like "works out his own personal kinks on the page", but he's not really the only writer to do that, so I won't hold against him much. I'll snicker about it once in a while, though.
The Childish Contrarian Was A Great Comic... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 9th, 2007 11:35:32 PM
...and one of DC's early attempts to copy Stan Lee's style, even with a title ala The AMAZING SPIDER-MAN, the INCREDIBLE Hulk, the MIGHTY THOR. Sadly, it's nearly forgotten today and was never all that popular. When Jack Kirby first left Marvel for DC, as a gentleman who didn't want to oust a creative team from an assignment, he asked to work on DC's worst selling title. Julie Schwartz told him that it was the CHILDISH CONTRARIAN. The King asked the SECOND worst selling title, and thus took over JIMMY OLESON. The book was originally DC's right wing jab at hippies. The Contrarian was always messing with the hippies minds, man. Later, when Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams took over, things got interesting, what with the Contrarian following Speedy around trying to get him back on heroin again. In the 70s, we had blaxpoitation-satanic Contrarian who liked the Partridge Family and attended Southern Baptist prayer meetings. Dark, grim, gritty 80s Contrarian adopted a menagerie on contrary pets, wore multi-colored costumes and battled wacky aliens and time travelers. Early 90s Contrarian stories tended to focus on the story over the art. Thankfully we've passed from early 00s Decompressed Contrarian, who had numerous adventures in each issue, to Bloated Crossover Contrarian. At several points during his existence, the Contrarian has been dead, often appearing walking around in the next panel. I always liked the Contrarian's arch nemesis Conform-o. Blind Follower was a good foe for him as well. Kid Gullible was just too gullible for me. One fun pair, who turned up in a BATMAN Arkham asylum story was the Fool & his Money.
Moore Shouldn't Have Been Sued By Those Guys Over LOEG. by Buzz Maverik	Mar 9th, 2007 11:43:59 PM
He should have been sued by Phillip Jose Farmer.
Or... by El Vale	Mar 10th, 2007 02:22:48 AM
Not.
Mr. America by zabu 123	Mar 10th, 2007 03:03:19 AM
I can't believe they offed Mr. America in Justice Society #2. Did anybody see that coming? Now who the hell are they going to get to replace him.
Marvel Colorists by Shigeru	Mar 10th, 2007 09:24:41 AM
Ignore everything drawn by David Finch (I agree, all that orange crap... ). Laura Martin, Jose Villaruba and Christina Strain >>>>>> anything I've ever seen on a DC book. Look at one issue of Alphona drawn Runaways. Or AXM.
Mighty Avengers..... by Chiapet	Mar 10th, 2007 03:59:04 PM
It rocked. Pure and simple. And I loved Doctor Strange:The Oath, especially considering I was never a big fan of the character. I'm a long-time Marvel Zombie, (I can already hear the eye-rolling and snickering), and, trutthfully, I'm not sure HOW I feel about Civil War and the death of C.A. yet. But I will say that I admire the chances Marvel has taken throughout all of this, and, as much as I loved most of Gruenwald's run on Cap, it wasn't exactly perfect. CAPWOLF, anyone?
Sorry Alan you'll have to better than that. by Psynapse	Mar 10th, 2007 04:50:18 PM
See here's the thing Vale, as a writer, I think the man is genuinely brilliant and with few of peer. As a person dealing with other people I feel he's quite possibly a bit of an ass with a knack for remembering through stoner colored glasses. Here's an example of what I like to think of a 'Classic Alan Moore Posturing': When interviewed about why he left marvel UK, Alan Moore stated it was because he was incensed by the firing of his then editor Bernie Jaye (among other gripes but he says Bernie was the kicker). However, when questioned about those very same events Alan Davis utterly refutes this when inerviewed for the Modern Masters edition devoted to him ( I have it). Davis goes so far as to make it clear that not only was Bernie not fired (She simply wanted to do other things in publishing), but that she would be quite embarassed for anyone to think she had been. Like I said, as a writer I'm as awed, challenged, and energized by him as anyone could be (Read Promethea and have a look at how existence works). But as a person he's as egotistical as any truly powerful mystic I've ever met and as such is quite likely lean towards his own misconceptions. Love your work Alan, but shut yeh pie-hole.
Goddamn typos... by Psynapse	Mar 10th, 2007 05:30:58 PM
Where's my fucking edit feature, bitch?!?
Xerxes in 300 is… by The Heathen	Mar 10th, 2007 06:40:44 PM
Man-who-poops in hatches aka Zorro aka Paulo from LOST. That blew my mind.
Me? A neocon? by SleazyG.	Mar 10th, 2007 08:49:41 PM
And you got that from what I wrote? Talk about missing the point. I'm a neocon like rain is dry, and I'm only a geekcontrarian when the geeks are wrong. Like, for example, when one of them makes the woefully misguided mistake of pretending they thought that CIVIL WAR was worth reading. If you honestly think a 20 year old Lloyd Bentsen joke is quality writing, then by all means, enjoy CIVIL WAR. I'll be over here reading things that don't completely suck to try and cleanse my mental palate.
fug... by blackthought	Mar 10th, 2007 11:13:36 PM
i want to be on next season of lost or heroes. anyone have any ideas how to achieve that?
Well blackthought by El Vale	Mar 11th, 2007 01:53:22 AM
A rising star-type male model such as yourself shouldn't have a hard time persuing such goals.
hmm... by blackthought	Mar 11th, 2007 11:30:37 AM
interesting...one must hope. i just want to kill peter petrelli.
Who doesn't? by Psynapse	Mar 11th, 2007 02:43:15 PM
Or to at least savor the flavor of delivering a mighty bitchslap to the side of his face with dead nerves that he uses as an 'acting technique'.
Oh and...SHAZAM! by Psynapse	Mar 11th, 2007 03:01:24 PM
Sweet jumpin' frog innards in a whiskey soaked griddle but #2 of this series was more fun than watchin' 2 retarded cripple kids fight!!
I Was Always On Cap's Side Myself... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 11th, 2007 05:36:13 PM
...especially that time he ran up against Batroc, Whirlwind and Porcupine. It was an odd combo of villains that didn't really compliment each other's powers and skills, and Cap took full advantage of that! But I can see Tony's point of view completely: where the hell did the Grey Gargoyle get off trying to destroy Stark Industries? You can call it fascist all you want, but I say Iron Man was justified in using Stark's latest invention to restore the Gargoyle's human form.
DKR Was Less About Reagan & More re. Batman... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 11th, 2007 05:45:41 PM
Surprise! It was more about Batman comics and the perception of the character in mainstream media. Of course, being "one of us", Miller had to go too far. We got it, Frank. Batman wasn't about Adam West. The funny thing is...Reaganomics worked. We were a better, more prosperous nation with more opportunities for our citizens and we weren't in an unwinnable war against a determined, indigenous force. CIVIL WAR is about little more than selling comic books to the journeymanfan (screw the new fans and especially screw the long time fans). You want your allegory spelled out for you: George Dubya Bush = Mark Millar & Joe Quesada. How? All they care about is the legacy, bay-bee. Never mind the toll (except, of course, that fictional lives and funny books aren't a fart in the wind to the horrors of reality).
Sleazy's Not A Neocon! He's A NeoSentinel... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 11th, 2007 05:49:16 PM
...and there isn't a mutant alive that can destroy a neo-Sentinel! Ah, now arriving for processing, the mutant designated as...Havok!
300 Based On The @$$holes... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 11th, 2007 06:09:00 PM
...Remember that time the ambassador from the Marvel Zombies showed up with the heads of all those comic book critics? Everyone said that giving him a wedgie would only bring trouble, but you should have seen the look on his face! We couldn't get the okay from the Guy's With Zits to take 'em on directly (they even held up a Playboy centerfold and said in a falsetto:"Don't make fun of 'em, Buzz."). I finally gathered up 3 of our snarkiest smart@$$es and headed off to insult them. Someone suggested we stop for a few rounds of drinks. The next thing we knew, it was a month later and we came to on the doorstep of the @$$hole clubhouse, covered in all these stupid looking tattoos.
The Inishitive by dregmobile	Mar 12th, 2007 01:04:42 AM
i've decided i'm going back and collecting the cap trades to fully understand the whole arc brubaker is going for. as for the inishitive, it looks incredibly boring. the one-shot i just bought dodges tomatoes and read dodges more was awful, but had nice flashy art. i like the way the yeti throws his voice when he introduces "omega flight!" and ends up on the splash page with his mouth shut - unless there are two of the yeti's? twins? the canadians must be happy, though. to be fair, thuderbolts looks kinda interesting. but i'm steering clear of shit and the mighty avengers ... though i'll keep on with new avengers tastes more tomato
Ok, so I'm wondering... by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 10:04:52 AM
Who's seen 300 and who hasn't? We must lay out how much spoiler warning will be needed. And raises hand, I have seen it, I plan on seeing it in IMAX this weekend or sometime soon. (Why even see it in IMAX the first time? At least see it smaller so you can see the entire thing first, otherwise you'll most likely miss out on details and the second viewing even larger will be more worthwhile)
The only Watchmen movie anyone needs... by loodabagel	Mar 12th, 2007 10:25:50 AM
Zack Snyder? Bah! The only one worthy of a Watchmen movie is me! I made Dread Lobster! (5 minute movie seen by about 6 people on the planet) Soon the world shall know the glory of Loodabagel Watchmen! With a script written by my good friends George Lopez and Jim Belushi. Holy crap! Those guys are hilarious! I think they have the funniest TV shows in America, right after that show of Jeff Foxworthy and his creepy redneck pals. See, you have to have a really funny script if you don't want to alienate middle America. That's why I was originally in talks with the guy who wrote Norbit, but I dropped him after I saw his film and decided it was a little too edgy for my tastes. So ABC sitcom is definetly the way to go. Of course, Roscarch would naturally be played by Martin Lawrence and Ashton Kutcher would be Night Owl, seeing how they had such great chemistry in that cartoon masterpiece, Open Season. I want to keep the rest of the cast pretty young as well, so we don't alienate the hot teen market. I was hoping to get Amanda Bynes to play SIlk Spectre and Justin Timberlake for the Comedian. I'll round out the cast with David Beckham, Seth Green and Dane Cook as Ozymandus, Old Night-Owl and a new Liefeld-esque Character I invented myself. Speaking of Liefeld, I had the costume designer add lots of pouches to all the suits. In lieu of a traditional score, I had Toby Kieth compose a total of 23 new songs for the soundtrack. John Williams wanted to do it, but I was all like "Screw you buddy. I hired a real musician. You can take that orchestra and shove it up your ass for all I care." It has a running time of 82 minutes and it will be in theaters this summer. God Bless America. Death to terrorists.
T… by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 11:20:04 AM
You don't miss anything when seeing 300 in IMAX. Trust me. It was awesome. Just sit in the back row and enjoy.
But still.. by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 12:13:25 PM
..who hasn't seen the movie? Speak now or forever hold your peace for when things get spoilery.
Shazam! Decoder question by Psynapse	Mar 12th, 2007 12:34:57 PM
Has anyone found it on DC's website? Every link I find just keeps bringing me to the promo for the book.
Answer The Woman! by Buzz Maverik	Mar 12th, 2007 01:44:39 PM
I, Buzz Marcellus Maverik, have seen 300, or as I like to call it, "A visit to the folks..."
Thank you, Buzz!!! by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 01:50:37 PM
1) snarf 2) You don't happen to have a band-aid on the back of your neck, do you?
I've already read it on Moviespoiler.com by Psynapse	Mar 12th, 2007 01:55:49 PM
So spoil away! (T knows that psy is a TOTAL Spoilerwhore(TM) from our days ruling existence as Senior Partners)PS- Hey Katie-Wednesday! SQUEEEEE!!!
My deep insight of the movie: by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 02:13:42 PM
It was as Spartan as its heroes. I've yet to get and read the GN, but it was the most beautiful transfer of a comic to film I've ever seen. Even with the subplot, they managed to keep it lean and to "the good parts" as William Goldman would say. That, and it was the best fight choreography I've ever seen (even to the point where I didn't think it was choreography. They were literally hacking and stabbing people on screen, there were no FX, it was all real!). Reminded me a lot of the methodical way I'd kick butt when playing Legend of Zelda. PHALANX rulez!
blinks Oh yeah! by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 02:17:47 PM
omg, that's been a long time coming. I hope it holds up. In some of his later projects like Firefly, I've found myself diverging from liking Joss' stuff as much as before, but it IS Buffy..
The Good Parts? We Call It... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 12th, 2007 02:22:43 PM
...Getting To The Devil Shit. Why? Because when I went to see THE EXORCISM O' EMILY ROSE with my brother, stunt driver Crash Maverik, he kept saying,"Build up, man. I am sick of all this build up!" and he finally screamed at the screen:"JUST GET TO THE DEVIL SHIT!" From then on, movies, comics, whatever, they'd better JUST GET TO THE DEVIL SHIT!
This should surprise no one by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 02:23:40 PM
300 doesn't reach Colombian theaters for about 2 more months...so guess who hasn't seen it yet.
Know what movie's sure to get to The Devil Shit fast? by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 02:25:38 PM
Loodabagel's Watchmen. Oh yeah, can't wait.
It's the return of the Devil Shit! by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 02:32:34 PM
We need a t-shirt..
Decoder? Anyone? Bueller? by Psynapse	Mar 12th, 2007 02:45:45 PM
Do I need to grow a pair of boobs?
"Can we just get to the Devil Shit already?" by Psynapse	Mar 12th, 2007 02:54:14 PM
Amen.
No idea Psy.. by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 03:06:46 PM
I'm not even quite sure where to look..
Interestingly enough by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 03:09:15 PM
The Devil Shit could technically still be considered build up if done right.
It was great, BUT… by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 03:42:34 PM
I dunno about the best fight choreography ever. Those is big shoes to fill miss. Also, when all of the oval (yep, oval) shaped droplets of video game blood where spraying everywhere did you notice how it just disappeared in mid air or after it hit? Kind of like the same way it would in a video game (at least last gen)? Not that it bothered me, but I found it interesting. I totally dug the hell out of the movie. Paulo didn't even bother me like he could have, only the way that was intended. The Oracle's nipples looked like they were slices of ginger next to her sushi too. Make of that what you will. Gerard Butler kicks ass. He completely owns the part of Leonidas better than I thought anyone could have. Thalya, you got to get the graphic novel. It's shiny. It really did translate the best to the big screen over all the other comic based movies I think. I'm just glad Snyder did what Rodriguez did with Sin City. Smart move. Awesome movie.
"Devil Shit could technically still be considered…" by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 03:47:43 PM
…build up if done right." 300 did just that. It's the like the opposite of the prequels in that way… and the fact that it looks better and feels more real too.
WHAT THE FUCK DC?!?! by Psynapse	Mar 12th, 2007 03:56:29 PM
The decoder is supposed to be active on the promo page for the series ( I confirmed this with several sources) but it's 'red x'ed'. Fuckin' fuckers.......
Devil shit and build up by Psynapse	Mar 12th, 2007 03:59:40 PM
This sub-category only applies if there IS actual devil shit IN the buildup. Anythign else is clown shoes or shenanigans.
300 spoilers by Shigeru	Mar 12th, 2007 04:08:44 PM
Huh? The comics (I AM OLD SCHOOL AND HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL ISSUES, BITCHES) came out like 10 years ago. And it's based on crap that happened 2300 years ago. How are there spoilers? Katie, you have no clue how faithful the flick was to Miller until you read the book. Holy crap.
300: The Good by Shigeru	Mar 12th, 2007 04:15:01 PM
Every single shot Take a Shit Guy as Xerxes complete with Huge-ifying (tm Peter Jackson) The time that dude's leg/arm/head got chopped off. See above. See above. See above. The way the Oracle's nipples contrasted with her alabaster skin. Other nipples. PHALANX! Ephialtes. "May you live forever" Leonidas' BEARD. Quite possible the greatest beard in cinema history. My beard has felled nations and made women out of many a girl, but his beard could kick my beard's ass. The one slo-mo shot where Persian dudes are getting their shit wrecked in both the foreground AND background.
Shig… by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 04:20:38 PM
Rustee Blades said he wanted Xerxes and Leonidas to fight and for Xerxes to die. I told him that it was based on an actual battle that really happened… on Earth. That blew his mind. I actually think that the movie is better than the book in this case. Quote me on that shit. I mean it.
Zombiesolutions - on today's comics by Movietool	Mar 12th, 2007 04:21:37 PM
Clearly, you're the audience comics are going for nowadays, and that's cool, really. But isn't there anything in your life that you enjoy just for the visceral fun of it? Like First Person Shooters, perhaps? Now imagine if every first person shooter you played made you watch twenty minutes of Crossfire with Chris Matthews before it allowed you one minute of actual gameplay. And then, even when you are in the middle of gameplay, the zombies (no offense) keep having flashbacks to their damaged childhoods, which helps you understand why they want to eat your face. Now imagine practically every first person shooter you can buy is the same way. Especially all of the Half Life and Unreal and System Shock sequels, which you desperately want to enjoy because they were such a fun part of your childhood. That's what modern comics feel like to me. But I'm glad you're enjoying them, really.
300 is Devil Shit throughout… by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 04:43:04 PM
I was never bored and there is most definitely Devil Shit in the build up, not just a little, but a lot.
Shig, I know I have no clue. by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 04:44:05 PM
At the same time though, it was clear as day. The camera angles, the pacing, the scene selection, the terse dialogue, the structure.. It was a liquid _moving_ comic book. It was a movie _subverted_ to the forms of a comic! And that "one slo-mo shot where Persian dudes are getting their shit wrecked in both the foreground AND background", that's the one where Leonidas leads the charge and just cuts down Persians left and right? I
PHALANX!!! by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 04:44:45 PM
One of the greatest words ever!
Wow, If Devil Shit WAS Build Up... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 12th, 2007 04:44:57 PM
...that'd be one helluva movie.
Well, take The Exorcist, for example by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 04:56:50 PM
There is Devil Shit throughout that movie, and since a story structurally builds to a climax, technically there is...well you know.
gasp by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 04:57:32 PM
The post ate my sentence! Must've thought it was HTML. Anyway, I _heart_ that.
Abuh? by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 05:13:27 PM
"an unbelievably retarded movie w/ dialogue that makes Attack Of The Clones look like Shakespeare" Quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site whilst being hilarious and adding even more shock undervalue to your posts. Oh, and it's 'literate' not 'litereate'. I'll let you find the irony in that one.
Zombie by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 05:30:20 PM
You've made some interesting points lately and some of the stuff you've said has actually made me want to check out Civil War (sorry Cogs). Thing is sometimes you come off a little strong and the point seems to get lost between all the insults, and i mean you sound like a pretty smart guy, i'm sure you agree...if you've spent enough time around people you get to the point where you realize people with different opinions than yours aren't idiots, they're simply, well...different people. Honest to god i'm not being an ass here, i'm trying to encourage friendly debate here, which is a lot cooler than calling people names and being generally hostile. This is a great place for that, i'm telling you.
A ridiculous Frank Miller movie? by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 05:33:28 PM
Go figure.
Oi with the zeitgeist... by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 05:37:52 PM
1) The 9/11 zeitgeist reached its peak in 2003 before things started getting heavy for the 2004 elections. ZombieSolutions, you're like USA Today for knowing what the zeitgeist is. 2) There's currently a global warming zeitgeist though that's cresting right now. Give it a week because that's when some major articles knocking it will really start to accumulate and it'll only snowball from there (thank God!). 3) The current true zeitgeist is that the public is HUNGRY for decent FUN movies and comic-based and geek-favored ones have the best track record. We can all see the crap coming a mile away in trailers and commercials anymore. That didn't affect Ghost Rider's take because ultimately it was just a fun popcorn movie (and how many movies dare to be out and out BAD instead of mediocre these days?). Hollywood, just like Marvel, has too much smugness (and not enough talent) nowadays and the less "realism," the less likely a story will have that sheen of self-importance, and that's where the money is. 4) Smugness coughmarvelcough still sells in the comic book industry because it's niche enough to not reflect the larger population. That's my take. As Human Torch would say, flame on!
Zomb… by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 06:01:25 PM
It's ironic because of the point you were trying to make. Sure we all type stuff wrong with the lack of an edit feature, it's just amusing to me that one who holds him or herself in such high regard would make that mistake at that given point. I type shit wrong all the time, but if I'm in the minority (thankfully) of trying to prove that Marvel is going for a new group of 'literate' double checks for correct spelling, smart and smug readers, well of course it's ironic and funny. It's like typing, "I'm smart becuse I can spel." It loses the meaning, plus I find your insults to be childish and I've tried not to play back, but non-the-less have failed. As for 300 I didn't find it to be a glorious 'retarded' movie. I'd throw the Evil Dead series into that category, but not 300. 300 is insane and outrageous and beautiful and pumped to the max with testosterone, but I wouldn't say it's retarded. AotC's dialogue was horrible. I haven't heard one quotable line from Episode II ever mentioned and especially spoken, but 300? All weekend I heard people saying stuff like, "Madness? This… is… SPARTA!!!" "Our arrows will blot out the sun--then we will fight in the shade." Sure, they could be horrible, but it's in the delivery man and I think everyone in 300 delivered. Lucas couldn't have directed Ewan McGregor in Star Wars, well, because he didn't. If you have Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor not delivering then it's probably not as much as their fault as the director's. Just saying. Anyway, have a good day.
Every single time by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 06:05:31 PM
Every time Kate takes one of her unsubstantiated cheap shots at Marvel, i die a little inside. Not enough talent...
Oh and before i forget by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 06:09:13 PM
Zeitgeist.
Ummm by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 06:51:26 PM
We're back on the board people, how bout some posting?
Vale! by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 07:08:58 PM
I'm sorry there isn't an IMAX in Colombia. 300 was made to be scene on it. Of course I'd love to get your opinion of The CW after you read it if you do. Enough of that though. Anyone read C.B. Cebulksi's WONDERLOST? I really enjoyed it. It's kinda what I expected the Luna's GIRLS series to be instead of giant sperm monsters and horrible pacing, but WONDERLOST was great. Is Baytor serious in his review of The Spirit or not? I've only read these three issues of the character so I'm unfortunately out of touch with Wil Eisner's character, but is Baytor saying that it's bad characterization done in an entertaining book? I think so, but I'm not sure. I could see how he'd have a problem with that. Finally read Brave and the Bold. Love Perez, story was kinda weak though. In the end it was entertaining, but nothing to write home about. I'll be back because of the art. Oh, I forgot who would be my first choice to draw TWILIGHT OF THE SUPERHEROES (I lied about the others) - Brian Bolland. How could I have forgotten him?
Brian Bolland + TotS by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 07:20:06 PM
I think i just came. BRB
See? There I go doing it too! by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 07:21:54 PM
Made to be 'seen' that is. So, Hobo With A Shotgun won the grindhouse trailer contest. Good form and well deserving.
I took Baytor's review to mean by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 07:22:30 PM
Who cares if Cooke took liberties concerning The Spirit's origin, the book kicks ass! BTW i keep seeing Cooke's pulpy art in Spirit and just wishing for more Catwoman from him and Brubaker...i think i'm gonna cry.
Brian Bolland + Twilight… by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 07:24:01 PM
is the greatest thing never to happen. If I cold seriously have three wishes, that would almost make it into the top ten. No lie.
Okay, cool. by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 07:28:07 PM
Like I said, I'm loving the book, but I don't know what came before. Kinda like how someone might believe that Iron Man or Reed would do the stuff they did if they haven't read any Marvel books or unfamiliar with the characters. Darwyn Cooke is so splendid it amazes me. I love his panel layouts. I think I'm going to get those early Catwoman trades due to him, Bru and Vale.
OMFG by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 07:31:37 PM
You haven't read Brubaker's Catwoman?! Dude, Cooke leaves and Cameron Stewart jumps in, that's how good that fucking book is!
Spirit by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 07:33:09 PM
I like it but i don't love it. It's a little bit too lightweight for me.
I need some lightweight to balance my reading. by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 07:54:49 PM
The Spirit does just that.
Heath, you and me pal by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 08:01:24 PM
We'll carry this fucker to the TOP, baby!
You got it dude. by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 08:19:17 PM
I'm writing up a review of 300 for the CogSpace and me own blog. It's what the cool kids do.
Damn you and your 300 by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 08:43:56 PM
Question: How heavyweight is your read pile that you need something to balance it out?
Pretty heavy. by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 09:12:28 PM
I've cut back a lot recently, but I've got a crazy pull list. Capes, Zombies, Jedi, Vampire Slayers, Mice, Cowboys that are Shaolin, and a lot of other stuff. I 'might' email you the official list if you're lucky. ; )
Is tehre a new Shaolin Cowboy out? by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 09:33:11 PM
Fucker makes All Star Superman seem bi weekly.
Nope. by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 09:35:48 PM
Heh. It does make All Star Bats seem like it's bi weekly. Man, I wish it was out though.
Haven't seen 300 yet... by loodabagel	Mar 12th, 2007 09:50:01 PM
Sob. I liked the comic, but ultimately didn't buy a copy. 30 dollars for an 80 page book? Screw you Dark Horse. I'm holding out for a more reasonably priced softcover that may never come. Heavy pulls? Bah! Mine be heavier than alla yalls. Theres SMLMJ, NewUniversal, All Star Superman, Detective Comics and Daredevil. Oh and All Star Batman. Forgot about that lil' gem.
Moriarty's 300 review? by loodabagel	Mar 12th, 2007 09:55:16 PM
Bah! (word of the day) We are AICN COMICS!
looda… by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 09:57:59 PM
Good to hear from you. I thought the wilderness that is Montana consumed you. I wish my pull list was that simple, but there really is a lot more out there that is really good. Can't argue with those books though.
Re: Devil Shit... by loodabagel	Mar 12th, 2007 09:58:03 PM
A little late, but I'm afraid Watchmen is a little low on devil shit. UNLESS Martin Lawrence is really Satan, because there's a hilarious scene where he gets diarhea while making out with Silk Spectre.
Heathen... by loodabagel	Mar 12th, 2007 10:04:26 PM
You will be happy to know that I am also considering picking up Iron Fist too.
That was a poorly worded sentence on my part, Vale.. by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 10:06:03 PM
I meant that only Hollywood had no talent. Marvel's got plenty of talent: Whedon, Vaughan, Bru, Cassaday, Ellis, Slott, etc..
And what's with this "Kate" all of a sudden? by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 10:07:58 PM
Huh Daniel? Heath? Ryan?
Before I forget (again) by loodabagel	Mar 12th, 2007 10:09:47 PM
Squashua, you are totally gay and I hate you. Nah, just kiddin' You know we're cool right? But when the AICN Civil War goes down, I'm siding with Buzz (At least if Vale's unavailable)
Do you like what you do Rustee? by loodabagel	Mar 12th, 2007 10:14:01 PM
C'mon. You know you want to say it...
Iron Fist has been good so far. by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 10:17:44 PM
I'd pick up Walking Dead, Runaways, Invincible, AXM, The Spirit, Uncanny, Green Lantern, Justice League, Star Wars: Legacy or Action Comics before it though. At least you can jump in early with Iron Fist. I've seriously considered trying to only get trades of the majority of things I collect excluding my faves (All Star Supes, AXM, Walking Dead, Runaways, Green Lantern, Justice). My willpower isn't exactly on par with Hal Jordan's though. ; ) T, the first two are Hollywood peeps right? One way or another, everyone wants to make it in Hollywood if you're writing or directing or acting or selling tacos.
My pull list by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 10:19:11 PM
Meaning the ones i'm always sure to download and read right away: All Star Supes of course Y: The Last Man The Walking Dead MAX Punisher Daredevil Criminal Powers AXM Fell The Killer Ult Spidey I think that's about it. I "trade wait" for Captain America, Fables, Ex Machina, 100 Bullets and the like.
"Squashua, you are totally gay and i hate you" by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 10:24:36 PM
LOL! Thanks for that looda.
Bialy by Squashua	Mar 12th, 2007 10:33:02 PM
You are a hater of gays, Looda.
okay fine… by The Heathen	Mar 12th, 2007 10:33:47 PM
"Like fishin' on Sunday!"
I'd Have Given Episode 1 Devil Shit... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 12th, 2007 10:38:03 PM
Don't need tariffs or tax breaks for Ewoks, etc. Mechanoid army, possibly in league with a Sith lord, terrorizing and raiding peaceful systems. Queen Amidala of TATOOINE is in favor of each system defending itself, so her planet is attacked and she's abucted in the opening crawl. When the words are gone, a lone Jedi apprentice is seen in hot pursuit of the warship that carries her away....
& Good Space Guy Dialogue Is Easy... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 12th, 2007 10:43:13 PM
...You just don't make 'em talk like space guys. The Prequel dialogue was especially bad because they DID talk like space guys.
Now that i think about it by El Vale	Mar 12th, 2007 10:55:33 PM
WTF was wrong with Lucas? Seriously, the guy wrote everything we always loved about the OT and then he went and wrote everything we hate about the Prequels. It's like the guy made a conscious effort to fuck up. Can't believe the same guy who wrote Han and Leia's relationship wrote Anakin and Padme's, know what i'm saying? (Tho' "I know" was Harrison Ford's line, but still)
If Devil Shit was build-up... by Thalya	Mar 12th, 2007 11:29:39 PM
nah, ew, let's not go there...
George Lucas didn't write EMPIRE STRIKES BACK... by stones_throw	Mar 13th, 2007 06:09:44 AM
That was Lawrence Kasdan and Leigh Brackett. I think they also came up with Darth Vader being Luke's father and all. In unfortunate sexual innuendo territory, this week's Detective Comics ended with the villain shooting his sticky load all over Robin. Otherwise it was a very good issue, better than many of the Dini issues for me, which have been disappointing bar a few great issues. What's Green Lantern like? I'm something of a Marvel Zombie looking for some good DC comics to get into, but I don't know much about the characters or history.
Fuck 'Twilight' by Psynapse	Mar 13th, 2007 08:29:38 AM
Hey if YOU wanna see that Captain Marvel boned his sister and had a kid by her to each his own. For me? NO THANKS.
stones_throw, re 'Tec by Thalya	Mar 13th, 2007 08:34:20 AM
Well, that image was on the cover, too.. But really, I think Stuart Moore got his inspiration from this: http://tinyurl.com/yv8ua8
Ah classic Batman... by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 09:23:54 AM
A friend recently introduced to that site and I gotta say I'm a big fan of the Superman covers where he blatantly kills Lois.
Suck it Moriarty... by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 09:44:46 AM
yup.
Are those... by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 09:47:02 AM
Eva Longoria's tits on the Hard Times ad?
Really... by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 09:48:18 AM
I have no idea what I'm looking at.
I am coming for you 24! by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 09:49:45 AM
Prepare for ultimate power!
You are not catching up with me... by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 09:59:39 AM
Are you bitch?
Um....TITS! by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 13th, 2007 10:09:11 AM
Everybody likes those, right? Good! I don't want to know what kind of hell-spawned, God-forsaken place could be inhabited by those who don't like tits. Whereever it is, it's probably foreign.....and communist. Yeah, Commies don't like tits....they sure do like Civil War though. ZombieSolutions? What DOES Joey Q'd cock tast like? I'm bettin' on a slsa soaked marshmellow, but please, enlighten us. That is all for now.
Um....TITS! by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 13th, 2007 10:09:44 AM
Everybody likes those, right? Good! I don't want to know what kind of hell-spawned, God-forsaken place could be inhabited by those who don't like tits. Whereever it is, it's probably foreign.....and communist. Yeah, Commies don't like tits....they sure do like Civil War though. ZombieSolutions? What DOES Joey Q's cock taste like? I'm bettin' on a salsa soaked marshmallow, but please, enlighten us. That is all for now.
Seriously motherfucker... by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 10:09:46 AM
I am keeping tabs on you. Don't even try.
Actaully... by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 10:15:07 AM
Al Quesada has an inverted dick, so I don't know if it's possible to suck it. Maybe if he's got really stratchy lips... Fuck! Tits!
Double posts? by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 10:15:58 AM
Yeah, I can go for that.
I said... by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 10:16:41 AM
DOUBLE POSTS!
I said... by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 10:16:41 AM
DOUBLE POSTS!
Arrrgh! by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 13th, 2007 10:19:20 AM
Edit! Up! In! This! Bitch! Serial! It's great that we can line-break and all, but fuck me, at least give me a spell-checker. I've got too much shit goin's down to be all grammatical an' shit.
Garmmars fur girls. by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 10:30:39 AM
an gtkoprew qwewd
MY SECRET INDENTITYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! by Shigeru	Mar 13th, 2007 10:45:43 AM
Thank you all for coming. My name is Ryan and I've been Shigeru since I was twenty-three years old.
Shig... by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 13th, 2007 10:50:03 AM
TRAITOR!
zombiesolutions by Shigeru	Mar 13th, 2007 10:52:28 AM
Even though I disagree with your thoughts on Marvel and CW in a big way, I have to hand it to you. You are much more well-spoken and have clearer arguments than the usual douche trolls that stop by. I'm not calling you a douche troll, btw. I was serious... thanks for not flaming out.
Why does it burn when I pee? by Psynapse	Mar 13th, 2007 10:57:44 AM
Just wonderin'......
ZombieSolutions.... by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 13th, 2007 11:05:20 AM
...is the WORST kind of troll. He uses dem school words an all, tryin' speak like he better den us po' foke. When in reality, and I don't remeber who said it before nor can I be buggered to go and find out, he IS just like "ponytail douche" in Good Will Hunting. An enhanced vocabulary masking knee-jerk reactions that are totally devoid of original thought. But then, that's just my opinion. I'm only carrying theworld on my back.
Dammit! by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 13th, 2007 11:21:11 AM
I broke the TB again.
Heterogeneous Linguistics..... by Psynapse	Mar 13th, 2007 11:26:38 AM
Usually obfuscate ratiocination when applied so perfunctorily. In other words: Big fucking whoop, big words don't mean shit when you're trying to pass off an abortion as a healthy newborn. Nice try but we ain't impressed with them thar' book-like words. PS-Civil War=Marvel Universe/Uncanny Valley and that's the facts jack.
Shig was acting out of character. by The Heathen	Mar 13th, 2007 11:28:23 AM
He never would have revealed his identity. I'm pretty sure Al Quesada is to blame for this.
stones_throw re: Green Lantern, DC comics by The Heathen	Mar 13th, 2007 11:38:36 AM
I was always interested in Green Lantern but knew nothing about the character until I read Green Lantern: Rebirth. I'd start there and then get the first couple of trades of the ongoing series after that. It's one of my favorite reads every month. Great art too. Everyone from Ethan Van Sciver, Ivan Reis, Simone Bianchi and more. Other DC books? Justice League relaunch has been awesome. Try Justice Society, but that's not everyone's cup of tea. There's always the Batman and Superman books too, all of which have been better than they have in a long time. Hope that helps.
Al Quesada and Brian Michael Bin Laden... by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 13th, 2007 11:39:27 AM
WILL NEVER HAVE DOMINION OVER MY EVER-LOVIN' COGS! Well, maybe over Vale, but that's only through his own wishes. Vale is Colombian and awesome after all, and if he wanted to hate the House of Mediocrity, he could. He's just cool like that.
One of the ugliest things I've seen since 'Iron Spidey' by The Heathen	Mar 13th, 2007 12:44:20 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2jhz2u
Since when by Psynapse	Mar 13th, 2007 01:20:12 PM
Did Newsarama start posting pics of Al Quesada's ass? Oh wait, that's supposed to be 'art'?!? Ho-kaaaayyy.....hm..well....al l righty then....
I'm not saying since he uses big words he's smart... by Shigeru	Mar 13th, 2007 02:15:21 PM
I was just saying since he used big words he didn't come off as such of a drooling mongoloid retard. And besides...we are talking about OPINIONS here, right? I mean, OURS is RIGHT, but it's still an opinion ;)
Twilight by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 02:16:39 PM
Dude, just imagine all that Moore-penned, Bolland-drawn incest! Drools Seriously which one's Captain Marvel again?
Newsarama by Shigeru	Mar 13th, 2007 02:18:08 PM
I can't believe there are people on that stupid website DEFENDING that ugly ass POS cap/punisher abortion. I mean, sweet merciful crap...
If Preacher taught me anything at all by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 02:24:10 PM
It is this: Incest only has two very definitive outcomes; you either get piss all over your one eye or a really fat guy lands on you. Suffer the little children! Humperdumperdidoo!
"Which one is Captain Marvel"?!? by Psynapse	Mar 13th, 2007 02:42:35 PM
...........
Can we add signatures to our posts? by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 13th, 2007 02:43:51 PM
Cause mine would be: "Incest only has two very definitive outcomes; you either get piss all over your one eye or a really fat guy lands on you." - El Vale
Vale is not from the US by Shigeru	Mar 13th, 2007 02:45:06 PM
And he really doesn't like that many mainstream comic books. What's hard to believe about him not knowing who Captain Marvel is? Maybe he was kidding.
haha by Shigeru	Mar 13th, 2007 02:49:00 PM
"It all started the day TC fucked that chicken" I heart Preacher.
Captain Marvel.... by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 13th, 2007 02:49:21 PM
is the one who fucked his sister. But it's OK, cause he's really only 13 so it's not pedo or anything.
13, fucked his sister? by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 02:55:32 PM
I'm getting Lost Girls flashbacks.
People are still here? by rev_skarekroe	Mar 13th, 2007 02:58:39 PM
Oh I see, it's the same 3 or 4 people posting over and over again.
Punisher new Captain America? by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 02:59:42 PM
When pressed for comments MAX Punisher said "What? No" and then proceeded to poke out that Russian mobster's eye and feed it to him.
ALL WEEK cog smooches by Shigeru	Mar 13th, 2007 03:00:09 PM
and you're just jealous.
Yeah Rev by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 03:02:32 PM
You can get the fuck out of here if you don't like it.
Psy ADORES the Big Red Cheese by Psynapse	Mar 13th, 2007 03:04:44 PM
I used to read THE FUCK out of those giant size Marvel Family books. (DC had them for The Superman family, Batman family, & Marvel Family 80 page giants all of 'em).PLEASE NOTE: He is THE ORIGINAL Captain Marvel, Marvel's version is a FUCKIN' POSER.)
I have done my research on Captain Marvel by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 03:08:23 PM
I thought his name was Shazam.
That's what his book was called. by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 13th, 2007 03:13:08 PM
Marvel had the copyright on the name as long as they kept "a" Captain Marvel in print in some way, shape or form. At least that's how I understand it. Oh, and Shig, stop defending the trolls. You'll only encourage them. ZombieFucker is just that, and a prick to boot. ...zeitgeist?....that game sucked!
aka "The World's Mightest Mortal" by Psynapse	Mar 13th, 2007 03:17:06 PM
'Cuz he IS. (bitches)
I guess he qualifies... by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 13th, 2007 03:18:03 PM
Since Turtle is immortal and all.
MIGHTIEST by Psynapse	Mar 13th, 2007 03:18:07 PM
GODDAMN TYPOS...WHERE THE FUCK IS MY EDIT FEATURE BITCH!?!?!?
Us Cogs are a feisty bunch. by The Heathen	Mar 13th, 2007 03:18:47 PM
Seriously though, who doesn't know that we do this ALL WEEK? Coming up on two years this June.
Shazam? by The Heathen	Mar 13th, 2007 03:24:34 PM
Wasn't that the movie with Shaq? No wait, that was Kazaam. ; ) Seriously though, the Shazam movie in development is going to be directed by the guy who did the Longest Yard remake. I think the script is in capable hands (although I forget who?) but still. How likely is it that Adam Sandler is going to be Captain Marvel? While we're at it my pick would be and still is, Brendan Fraser.
Actually.... by Psynapse	Mar 13th, 2007 03:27:02 PM
OG Cap was owned by Fawcett which was sued by DC, went bankrupt, sold Cap to DC and here you are. Marvel tried co-opting the name in 60's with THEIR verson. DC started printing Cap in the '70's but had to put 'Shazam' on the covers thank to Marvel's legal antics with the name.
Wait.... by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 13th, 2007 03:29:02 PM
carry the one...add the remainder... I'M A DAMNED NEAR SEASONED VETERAN! It's comin' up on a year for me in the Cogs. June 21st. Fuck me.
ZombieSolutions, you and I by Movietool	Mar 13th, 2007 03:34:23 PM
are clearly on opposite ends of the spectrum. A better representation of today's comic fan vs. yesterday's comic fan you couldn't find. As such, Marvel and DC will gain readers like you who want a little "substance" in their superhero stories, and keep losing readers like me (and my children) who want the endless slugfest-o-fun. Of course, I stand by my view that the endless slugfests are better comics - because good ones depended on imagination and storytelling. Civil War was as imaginative as VCR instructions and had all the storytelling prowess of a six-year-old describing grass growing. Obviously, that's my opinion. Ah, well, there's always back-issues.
Well said, Movietool. by The Heathen	Mar 13th, 2007 03:59:02 PM
"endless slugfests are better comics - because good ones depended on imagination and storytelling." I'd take a slugfest with great imagination over an allegory that's as fun as an instruction manual anyday.
What Heath said by Psynapse	Mar 13th, 2007 04:02:48 PM
AMEN (A-MOTHERFUCKING-MEN BITCHES).
2 years?! by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 04:04:15 PM
Fuck, i'm getting old.
YOU'RE getting old?!?!?! by Psynapse	Mar 13th, 2007 04:10:04 PM
Like steamed fuck you are. Movietool-you ROCK. mwah
Heh… by The Heathen	Mar 13th, 2007 04:22:52 PM
"steamed fuck"
Comics don't HAVE to be fun by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 04:44:29 PM
They do have to be engaging, tho'. Sorry non-engaging comics.
they do if it involves all of the 616 universe… by The Heathen	Mar 13th, 2007 04:53:35 PM
BAY-BEEEE!!!!!!
Well not exactly by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 05:03:13 PM
I mean, sure fun is um...cool and stuff, but say you're reading this really well written arc like...Daredevil o something; it's the penultimate issue and the shit has hit the fan, dude, i mean OMFG! You're actually scared for Matt's well being. I has knocked you in the ass and engaged you on an emotional level. You're not gonna go "Oh fuck this shit, i thought comics were supposed to be fun!" Or maybe that's just me talking out of my ass, who knows? Answer: No one.
But Vale.. by Thalya	Mar 13th, 2007 05:12:01 PM
What you're describing IS fun!
I guess my point is by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 05:14:07 PM
It doesn't necessarily HAVE to include a giant superpowered slugfest complete with banter and a monkey flinging his shit at passersby to be a proper Marvel comic.
Well then it depends on what you and i call fun by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 05:22:52 PM
To me, that's not "fun". It's entertaining, sure, but it doesn't really fit with my definition of fun (and yes my definition of fun includes a monkey flinging his shit at passersby, make of that what you will)
Err, not really… by The Heathen	Mar 13th, 2007 05:26:40 PM
IF the book has the ENTIRE Marvel Universe you better believe fun should be had. Now that's not saying it should all be shits and giggles, but somewhere in the 6, 7 or 12 or however many issues the mini-mega event is - there should indeed be some fun. The CW was many things. It was pretty to look at, it was a political allegory, it was horrible, but it in no way was ever fun. Not. One. Fun. Scene. Take something like the original Crisis. It had the death of Barry Allen and Supergirl, but I'll be damned if it didn't intersperse the drama with some smart slugfests and other things besides… boring allegory.
Here's the default example… by The Heathen	Mar 13th, 2007 05:32:30 PM
The Empire Strikes Back. What a downer of a movie right? Luke gets his hand cut off by his just revealed father who is the supreme evil of the universe. Hans frozen in carbonite. Rebels are on the run. Are you telling me that you didn't have fun during that even though it was dark and melancholy? Plus, there's a monkey throwing poop in the background on Dagobah. True story. Swear to Gob.
Well if it's the entire Marvel U, sure whatever by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 05:36:04 PM
Apparently we're talking about two entirely different things. BTW i seem to remember this really kickass action scene with Captain America in CV #1 where he like started riding a fighter jet or something like that. I guess fun doesn't count as fun as long as we're being biased.
But why are you trying to contradict by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 05:43:44 PM
Things i never said? I'm saying it doesn't ALL have to be fun and adventure and laughs and shit, which would in turn mean it doesn't ALL have to be gloom and doom and drama. My vote for default example would be Preacher: Some of it is more fun than i've ever had reading a superhero comic, and it's outrageous and fucking hilarious ta boot. But when the shit hits the fan, it fucking hits the fan and you feel it! You fear for the characters and when things are fucked up you feel how fucked they are and it gets to you because you care about those characters so damn much. And it wouldn't be Preacher if it was just the one tone and approach.
Punisher America... by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 05:47:10 PM
Needs more pouches! Oh, and he also needs to get the fuck out of Joey Da Q's asshole and back to kicking the shit out of people in Punisher Max. Removal of mobsters' intestines? If that aint fun, I don't know what is.
I'm going out with friends by El Vale	Mar 13th, 2007 05:47:26 PM
But i'll be back. Oh yes, i'll be back.
Ya know... by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 05:49:34 PM
This is a pretty powerful tb. Shit. They should just put us in charge of comic books.
I call Marvel and BKV... by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 05:51:19 PM
The rest of you may squabble over the rest.
Whoa Whoa Whoa! by loodabagel	Mar 13th, 2007 05:56:52 PM
Hold up Zombie problems. Are you saying that Hank Pym powerfists superheroes? Are you saying that MS Marvel delivers strawberry milkshakes? That is just too much for a good ol boy like me. I'm outta here.
Zomb, I agree with a great majority of that. by The Heathen	Mar 13th, 2007 06:18:31 PM
Especially concerning our government. Where I differ is the route Marvel has taken. I'd prefer the escapist route despite the numbers (more on that in a moment) and shock value tactics. I'd take this http://tinyurl.com/3y8mou over this http://tinyurl.com/2sxkdp any day, especially when our country is crumbling beneath foolish and inane leadership. Why do I want to read a comic that so closely resembles how shitty life is? I want to… escape, at least when I read Captain America or Iron Man or Fantastic Four or Spider-Man, etc. The CW may closely resemble a great many of the things you mentioned, but being able to do so doesn't mean it's a good story. I look at The CW as I do our current leadership and it's decisions, with a big WTF? If you told your future son what happened these past few years in history he'd say it sounds like it was a time of bullshit. Same goes for the majority of Marvel's universe and the allegory The CW was. As for the numbers? Well, that's an argument that holds no real credence. By that logic you're saying that the remake of Godzilla was fantastic because it made over $400 Millon dollars. Something could sell the hell out of something, but it doesn't mean that it's good OR that people prefer it that way. Do you really think that The CW would have sold less if it had Tony wake up from his delusions and team up with Cap and kick the shit out of SHIELD or the imposing government? That would have sold just as well.
snarf Junior used the word "memes"! by Thalya	Mar 13th, 2007 06:21:57 PM
Give me a fucking break. Dude, Civil War was apparently custom built for you. Call me when when you grow out of drinking Kool-Aid. Or better, just take the self-importance out of your argument. I'd hate to bruise your ego by firing back. (and for that matter, how much of your screed actually pertains to Civil War itself? You went totally off-topic there.)
Look....ZombieSecretions by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 13th, 2007 06:24:44 PM
No one said comics couldn't be topical. They just better be fucking good. They should also NOT fucking use established characters to tell stories that are not about them, pay no respect to their previous characterization, only exist to fulfill some ham fisted ultimatum by a bald douchebag who isn't even the fucking EiC, and lastly...suck. Civil War sucked. It was the suckiest suck that ever sucked, to quote a great man. House of M sucked. Avengers: Dissasembled sucked. Currently Marvel sucks, with the notable exeptions of Brubaker, Whedon and maybe BKV, if my Cogs are to be believed. (Sorry Cogs, I've not read any of his shit yet). Furthermore, you suck. You see, when Vale defends the undefendable, he does it without saying that people who disagree with him are fools, children, uneducated or myopic. You, on the other hand, speak as if you are the sole voice of intelligence and educated thought. Thus, you lose any argument before you begin. For all your vaunted vocabulary, and apperently passionate debate, you still come off as a troll. Which, contrary toi Marvel currently, is fun for me.
Uncle Sam & The Freedom Fighters by Psynapse	Mar 13th, 2007 07:34:23 PM
Now THERE'S a comics book that manages to be completely political, balanced to both sides, and fun as all get out. Oh and hey, it's QUITE zeitgeisty (we've whedonized a word here folks) because if you can't see the message (for conservatives and liberals alike no less!)you're one dense motherfucker. Other than CW's 'reshape the Marvel U. landscape' thrust, CW is completely outshined by US&TFF on every single story level and beat. Suck it Millar, Palmiotti and Gray KICKED YOUR ASS.
No. 4! by Psynapse	Mar 13th, 2007 08:40:30 PM
Take that Moriarty/300 TB!
Pynapse by dregmobile	Mar 13th, 2007 09:12:11 PM
Does Freedom Fighters end well? Is it worth grabbing the trade if they trade it?
Season 8 bitches. by The Heathen	Mar 13th, 2007 09:53:40 PM
Buffy. That's right. Buffy.
Speaking of Whedonizing.. by Thalya	Mar 13th, 2007 10:29:26 PM
Ever notice how commonplace Whedonspeak is anymore? It's a silent revolution if ever I saw (er, heard) one! looks back up over this TB oh my.. it's like the good old days, guys! I love you, men! gets all weepy
enjoy it... by blackthought	Mar 13th, 2007 11:51:21 PM
u know...
Did you see that?! by El Vale	Mar 14th, 2007 12:28:02 AM
"Give me a fucking break" "Call me when when you grow out of drinking Kool-Aid" Thal that was HAWT!
What is this Whedonizing you speak of? by El Vale	Mar 14th, 2007 12:30:04 AM
I have returned from my travels. Had a good one, tell you that. Now enlighten me people!
blinks by Thalya	Mar 14th, 2007 08:51:23 AM
Vale, dude, beware of this becoming a fire and ice relationship.. But in the meantime, aBUH? Wha? I missed something...
And also.. by Thalya	Mar 14th, 2007 08:56:28 AM
Whedonizing requires a certain mindset to answer appropriately, so if someone else doesn't answer it first, I'm generating said mindset.
Whedon-speak? by loodabagel	Mar 14th, 2007 09:45:18 AM
Something else for me to learn. Currently I'm taking my final exams on Bendis-talk He ate the cake? He ate the cake. HE ate the cake? Yes. Wow. Huh. He ate the cake. Yep Well hey. Cake. I know. Cake Cake. Cake.
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oi looda.. by Thalya	Mar 14th, 2007 10:17:22 AM
The posts are just going to get deleted, y'know dear?
It's the thought that counts... by loodabagel	Mar 14th, 2007 10:27:36 AM
Also-Fuck Transformers.
as they should be... by blackthought	Mar 14th, 2007 10:32:35 AM
hmm...ron pearlman as the comedian?...i so could see that.
ZombieS by Shigeru	Mar 14th, 2007 11:16:05 AM
Not only do you rub Thal the wrong way in comic taste, but you went and delved into current politics too! Turtle and her are our resident republicans, but we forgive them. ;)
looda… by The Heathen	Mar 14th, 2007 11:39:41 AM
Love the Bendis talk! That made me laugh my ass off. Good one. The multiple posts? Not so much. We don't want us to become anything like that dreaded Aquaf@g talkback. If it was about the numbers (it's not) we could all decide on one AICN Comics tb and post there ALL WEEK and nothing could compare. But like I said, it's not about the numbers. Numbers don't make quality. coughs Ron Pearlman as The Comedian? He could do it. Hopefully Snyder has a lot more bidding power with the cast after the money 300 has made.
I'm a registered independent, mind you. by Thalya	Mar 14th, 2007 11:44:36 AM
But just because Republicans suck at PR doesn't mean I'm going to vote Democratic by a longshot.
and so it begins… by The Heathen	Mar 14th, 2007 11:57:54 AM
the politics talk has begun. Hopefully the new column will cut that off before one of us gets lost in the Cog Mansion of Mystery.
heh.. by Thalya	Mar 14th, 2007 12:01:26 PM
Just a point of clarification, is all, H. Gah, pleeeaassee let that talk end right there. It doesn't do any of us a bit of good. Besides you should all be aiming your tomatoes at me for still not reading Watchmen, not my politics. ;P
RepubliCAN, not a republican't! by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 14th, 2007 12:40:48 PM
Look just because I was raised right(leaning) doesn't mean I'm a moron. I contest that the current regime is NOT republican. They are fascist. They have royally screwed EVERYONE'S pooch in almost all regards. (You do have to give them credit for actually, you know, catching the fucker.) That said, Kerry is a limp-wristed elitest, who for all his ballyhoo got WORSE grades in college than Bush. Personally, I'm voting for myself next year. My platform is simple. I am a conniving, cheating, stealing hypocritical fascitst who wants everyone to fall in line two steps behind me....but I'm honest about it, and am not above taking bribes and kick-backs. So that said, vote for me, get on my good side and it'll be champagne filled jacuzzi baths with a porn star to clean/suck your cock. (See what I did there Psy. I didn't specify which kind of porn star. You can take your pick, and if you want, I'll put tits on him against his will if I have to.) Turtle in '08: I'll make the Bush look good, I promise. big fake shiny smile
don't most males... by blackthought	Mar 14th, 2007 01:17:32 PM
lean to the left?...i mean politically of coarse.
Freedom Fighters and Zeitgeist by Homer Sexual	Mar 14th, 2007 02:36:07 PM
'Btw, "zeitgeist" refers to "spirit of the age", say, the driving psycho-social narrative that plays out throughout a given era; given that we live in such turbulant, civilization crumbling, world destroying times, the artforms which express this "spirit of the age," would (or should) likewise be challenging, daring, and thought-provoking.' Well that is certainly true, ZS, but what in the world does that have to do with Civil War???? I agree that Freedom Fighters captured the zeitgeist well, was extremely entertaining, had excellent characterization and art, was "fair" to "both sides," had a good story... all things I believe CW was not. But I hated issue #1 and was waiting to hear how it ended before picking it up, and with such a super craptacular ending, will have to miss it.
Ron Pearlman as The Comedian by El Vale	Mar 14th, 2007 02:45:18 PM
Now that is great casting. I loves me some Ron Pearlman.
I Can Attest To The Atrocities In The Secret Prisons. by Buzz Maverik	Mar 14th, 2007 05:00:57 PM
It is a little known fact that President Bush is a Bendii (Dubya and BMB were in Skull & Bones together at Yale) and that he's been upset with the @$$holes for their repeated mockery of Bendis. He dispatched a pair of Men In Black to bring in Ambush Bug. I answered the door at the @$$hole Clubhouse and quickly assessed the situation, these being my peops, what with my scholarship from MK-Ultra and all. Knowing that Bug is the sensitive type who wouldn't do well on the Inside, I said, "Yeah, I wrote the blah-blah-blah and zzzz reviews." Quicker than you could say, "Trade for cigarettes", I was shipped to this giant, glass dome in the middle of the Atlantic called The Aquarium. It was Hell on the High Seas, let me tell you. First of all, no Herradura. Just Cuervo. I'm supposed to drink that swill? And don't get me started on the cigars. My palatte has to have Cuban, I can't take Dominican or Jamaican. Now, I took a vow of celibacy myself, but my cell mate Al Franken had arranged for a conjugal visit and had expressly asked for Scarlett Johanson. Kirsten Dunst is fine, but Al is a real Scarlett Jo fan. The food was slop -- that was not what I call a LOADED baked potato by any stretch of the imagination. And the only comics they had for us to read...CIVIL WAR. Fortunately, I was able to make an acetelyne torch out of some old tuna can and lighter fluid in the prison shop. Melting down candy bar wrappers, I made myself a wet suit and even built a go-fast boat out of f-upped license plates and made my way to freedom. I worked out a deal with the President, using my psychic abilities in the Company's remote viewing operation in exchange for a full pardon. I was the one who first spotted Saddam Hussein. I told the military, "He's in a hole in Iraq. How the hell do I know which one? Start looking in holes until you find him."
Ron Perlman is a no-go! by loodabagel	Mar 14th, 2007 05:21:27 PM
Unfortunately, I've already completed the film with Martin Lawrence.
So there's this new column up by El Vale	Mar 14th, 2007 07:05:38 PM
I swear!
LAST! by Psynapse	Mar 15th, 2007 09:18:53 AM
BITCHES.....
so you think by Shigeru	Mar 15th, 2007 10:12:56 AM
mwa. ha. ha.
oh god by blackthought	Mar 16th, 2007 01:00:08 PM
...last...
Last it is by Squashua	Mar 16th, 2007 01:02:30 PM
;)
PANTS ON DUCKS = FLAMES ON NIPPLES by zombieslayer	Mar 16th, 2007 05:22:10 PM
I can't believe you assholes went there. Also, LAST!!!
GORDON CHEETS ON HIS WIFE by Squashua	Mar 20th, 2007 12:42:21 PM
AND HAS A BEER

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