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This Is Madness...! by buster00	Mar 8th, 2007 02:27:23 AM
THIS...IS...SPARTA!!
Cho by Thorstrongstone	Mar 8th, 2007 02:30:46 AM
Frank Cho designed a monster for my father's horror movie. He was a really cool guy. I think that was....14 or 15 years ago. And Bendis' is one of my favorite comic writers. I will really have to check this out. Damn, I stopped collecting comics!
Never any love for "Tales of TMNT" by Shadowhawk	Mar 8th, 2007 02:32:22 AM
My favorite comic for the last 2 years. Always delivers great stories, and I never see reviews on it.
unt cunt tits cunt cunt deeper look into history cunt c by DOGSOUP	Mar 8th, 2007 02:38:02 AM
FUCK MARVEL UP THIER STUPID ASSES FOREVER! I'm going to go to the street corner and buy some gutterpunk's sticky zine. That will be more enriching.
Will somebody please... by mrfan	Mar 8th, 2007 05:13:16 AM
flush the turd known as Marvel down the toilet? Then make sure you wash your hands. Thank you.
RighteousBrother by Boondock Devil	Mar 8th, 2007 05:45:24 AM
I bet it's not even 18 months. I have this weird feeling that in World War Hulk, all the heroes are getting their asses kicked when Iron Man realizes their only hope is for them to bring back Captain America to save the day.
Jeff Parker is awesome! by Boondock Devil	Mar 8th, 2007 06:02:29 AM
Couldn't agree more about how talented that guy is. Marvel should give Astonishing X-Men to him after Whedon's finished up so more people would read his stuff. That or somewhere down the line he could take over on Mighty or Young Avengers.
Jeff Parker is this year's Little Miss Sunshine by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 06:55:11 AM
Like tits on Optimus.
I must thoroughly agree with Squasha. by Err	Mar 8th, 2007 07:09:44 AM
Def. this year's Little Miss Sunshine.
Squashua: Great review! by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 07:19:04 AM
But I don't think I'll be picking Sticky up ...
Oh, and Vroom Socko: Thanks! by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 07:26:19 AM
I could not remember for the life of me what the theory of Uncanny Valley was called. Now I do. Grazie!
Cover of Walking Dead #33 by BangoSkank	Mar 8th, 2007 07:49:11 AM
The cover of WD #35. Can anyone tell what is going on there? Is that a mouth? A gaping ribcage? None of it makes any sense to me. Even the reflection in the blood, I just don't see it. It gets this weeks Chris Bachalo What-the-fuck-is-that? Award.
Are the Spirit Archives worth picking up? by teethgnasher	Mar 8th, 2007 08:46:15 AM
I read the recent issues by Cooke. I have to say I really enjoy them. It's the only monthly book I pick up. Anything else can be read as a trade paperback. Should I read the Archives?
Fan Mail! by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 08:47:35 AM
From "R.D.T. Byrd" I really can't believe in 2007, someone would write something as stupid as this: "That's right up an alleyway you don't travel – riding the chocolate choo-choo express to poo-ville." Congratulations -- you've reduced struggles over civil rights and human equality, issues that people have been beaten to death over, down to a stupid little joke about anal sex. I don't give a fuck if you're male, female, 6 or 60, you're a douchebag. - - - - - Again, you called it folks: Squashua == Douchebag
Walking Dead by garcicr	Mar 8th, 2007 08:48:56 AM
Has the sixth book came out yet you know the actuall novels that put together bout 4 comics
thank you marvel by steverodgers	Mar 8th, 2007 09:07:39 AM
For killing my favorite character. I’m done with you d-bags. Where have you gone Mark Grunewald? This office slob, turns his lonely eyes to you.
Sticky: Before we continue... by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 09:12:34 AM
The stories themselves were nice, and I even thought the Talk show one was quite classy, and the art successfully expressed that each partner pairing shared a definate attraction to each other beyond the physical, but let's get real here; the lovemaking scenes were pretty hardcore, though the characters did look like they were having fun.
Dr. Strange the Oath, and my guess on Captain America by holidill	Mar 8th, 2007 09:15:02 AM
I just read Dr. Strange the Oath #5 yesterday and was surprised how much I enjoyed the whole series. If Marvel ever wants to do a Dr. Strange Movie, they should do this one, adding a few things to it as well to make it longer, but it was a great story. I have not read Cap #25 yet, and I am sure my local comic shop will be out of it by the time I pick it up today, but from what I read I don't think he's dead. I think this was a LMD that SHIELD uses (Life Model Decoy) to give Cap a chance to go underground for a while. Or Cap is Ronin in new Avengers, though in reading the New Avengers where the new team is introduced, Ronin appears to be someone other than Cap, but you never know. Bucky will become Captain America.
Great choice on your masthead for this week guys.. by Thalya	Mar 8th, 2007 09:18:34 AM
Though no Brave and the Bold #1 review? Not even a cheap shot? Did we talk that one to death already in the last TB?
Caps death by garcicr	Mar 8th, 2007 09:19:55 AM
I think his best death was in Universe X or wait was it Earth X
Garcicr by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 09:35:51 AM
I think it was Paradise X
Marvel Sucks by Movietool	Mar 8th, 2007 09:46:23 AM
There's not one "hero" left in a universe that used to be full of them. Now it's a universe of Superdicks, each one more determined than the last to be an anti-hero, all in the name of "realism." It's a shame Superman is a DC character, 'cause I'm sure Joey Q. must have LOVED Superman Returns, seeing as it showed Superman completely out of character in a contrived storyline with useless sub-plots all wrapped up in a vast void of anti-fun. Just like Marvel Comics nowadays.
If we don't fight al Quesada the terrorists will win... by superhero	Mar 8th, 2007 09:56:29 AM
You heard it here first...actually I got it of THE BEAT but it's still hysterical. Quesada is now known to me as al Quesada for killing off Captain America...excellent!
superhero… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 10:02:30 AM
I promise you, Vale came up with that one a few months ago. Still, it doesn't make it any less funny or true. Rock on.
alQuesada, Squashua, and Bend-ass walk into a bar... by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 10:09:47 AM
...and it blows up. The End. That would be the best story Marvel's put out in the last five years at least.
Jinxo, Baytor and Vroom by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 10:17:01 AM
Thank you guys for making me laugh before I posted. I was going to just do the troll thing and skip past the actual reviews just to post my shit, but something made me stop and read first. Oh yeah, it's the fact that I'm not a total Squashua. Jinxo:"Panther is the king, and in the words of Monty Python you can tell the king because he’s the guy without shit all over him." Fucking brilliant. Baytor:"The last thing we need is another character forever perverted by the selfish desires of so-called fans who want nothing but enjoyment from their comics." Good line. Fuck you with your shit, but that's a good line. ;P Vroom:"Well, there's the bit at the end, where the only holdouts remaining are the New Avengers, where Luke Cage says "Looks like we're criminals." And Spidey responds, "Sure we're criminals. We've always been cri-" FUCK!" Get out of my HEAD!
Unfortunately, steverodgers, by dan grendel	Mar 8th, 2007 10:18:55 AM
Mark Gruenwald died of a heart attack on August 12, 1996. He'd be spinning in his grave, but he was cremated and his ashes were mixed in with the first printing of the Squadron Supreme trade.
Transformers movie prequel by pelos_locos	Mar 8th, 2007 10:19:09 AM
This was a wasted opportunity to review the "Official transformers movie prequel #1" where a lot of our fears are confirmed. Mecraptron looks like crap in cybertron (no arm gun), which was at peace under the "reign" of optimus prime and "Lord high protector megatron" (yes, megatron was a good guy). Everything was given life by one "allspark" until megatron decides to take it. The autobots fight to protect the allspark. During one battle scene, one autobot with round eyes and teddy bear face (bumblebee, I think, no name is given) confronts megatron trying to stop him to give the allspark a chance to be launched off the planet. This particular robot gets injured and everything is repaired except his "voice capacitor" but he learns to communicate in "other ways". Anyways, a lot of the crappy things about the script circulating around the web seem to be confirmed here. I just thought I'd let you know since I was hoping to see a review of this issue here.
Dear Marvel, by Reelheed	Mar 8th, 2007 10:21:53 AM
Sooooo Ironman is now unbeatable (he has spidersense? what the fuck is up with that?(ish #14)), always right (erm.. are they still running the negative zone prison where they FORCE inmates into virtual reality A.S. #535), has limitless resources and his own army of heroes? Great. And Cap... is dead. The remaining mutants are all registered, the world is in a silent war and the universe is Anhillated. Nice. Clap. Clap. Clap. Yeeeah. I see what you're doing. "Things have to get worse before they get better." Thats classic. Classic narrative rule no.1 in fact and I can see you get the general idea. Heres the thing. In heroic stories things also get better! No fucking way! Yes way! Y'know rather than worse and worse and worse until the faithful readers are either wondering why they ever bothered or slitting their pastey wrists. See real-life is pretty shitty sometimes and now so are most of your comics. Cheer the fuck up tossbags.
Breaking news in the world of the internet... by loodabagel	Mar 8th, 2007 10:29:19 AM
I am back from the dead. (Once again) chillin at the beach, down at Club Med. Make another record cause the people they want more of this. Make another record cause they think I'm Adam Horovitz. Also, I like Bendis's Daredevil, BKV kicks babies, and Victor Mancha is the best Runaway, beacuse I said so. And Captain America is dead now? God. He was a too cool for modern day Marvel.
Gruenwald... by steverodgers	Mar 8th, 2007 10:43:59 AM
Gruenewald was the best. My hope is that him and Kirby are up in heaven, drinking beers, and churning out cap stories, completely ignorant of the Queseda/bendis/millar/loeb led crapfest that marvel comics have become. Give me some mad-bomb and bloodstone hunt – not this dark, mean, "post 9/11" garbage.
Review of Kim Deitch Alias the Cat by trashotron	Mar 8th, 2007 10:50:01 AM
http://tinyurl.com/2wn2n6 The short story: A fantastic forthcoming hardcover omnibus. Worth your valuable time an money -- scans at the URL. -- Rickk
Cover of Walking Dead #35 by BangoSkank	Mar 8th, 2007 10:58:45 AM
Not 33. My bad. What's going on there. Someone must tell me. I liked Civil War, but I gave up on Marvel a long time ago. Now I eat the shit they feed me with a smile on my face.
Agree with loodabagel by MCVamp	Mar 8th, 2007 11:11:36 AM
Captain America is too cool for modern day Marvel.
Vroom… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 11:15:10 AM
you kick ass: "It's a world smack dab at the bottom of that valley, with NBC's “Heroes” up on top of one side and Kirkman's INVINCIBLE on the other. It's a world that is ugly and bitter; a world that has taken characters older than I am and turned them into something so far removed from their original intent that they've become something monstrous."
Timely reviews! Anything interesting happen yesterday? by willydevon	Mar 8th, 2007 11:15:27 AM
Guys, seriously; Civil War #7, arguable the most important book of the last 6 months, came out two weeks ago. Captain America was fucking KILLED in a book that came out YESTERDAY. Every time Joss Whedon has a nocturnal emission, Herc has a coax post up with reaction. You guys can't get reviews up faster than this? All this said, I'm a little disappointed that Cap wasn't raped and burned to a cinder, in addition to being shot. After CW 7's complete destruction of the character, what else was really left? Maybe Norman Osbourne could fuck the corpse a little?
"Unnamed Talkbacker"?? by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 11:21:57 AM
My nick is Psynapse, YO. (*_^) (The funny part is I'd be more likely to wank to thoughts of Squashua if he looked like say, Rupert Everett rather than Dan Haggerty)
That's cool that Vale came up with al Quesada... by superhero	Mar 8th, 2007 11:27:04 AM
I just saw it first at THE BEAT...either way...we should call him al Quesada from now on. Oh, and I thinking of taking back Brubaker for my favorite writer of 2006.
Original draft read "Psynapse" and "Psy" as a nick by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 11:36:50 AM
But I figured I'd give you some anonymity. Of course I know of the only talkbacker to be Squashua's personal talkwacker. I've been told (by a nice Hungarian lady) I look like a young Peter Ustinov. I do love me some Logan's Run.
No, wait superhero by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 11:38:33 AM
This isn't Bru's fault. I think having Cap shot was a mercy killing on his part.
Come now, Squashie by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 11:40:20 AM
I hate you too. I've said as much. Don't give Psy ALL the credit.
Dear R.D.T. Byrd...... by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 11:45:01 AM
Either fuck off to whatever hole you crawled out of of grow a goddamn sense of humor. It's a JOKE fuckface, get over yourself. PS-I am a 100% polesmoking, hershey highway, pillow biter myself (you see? a sense of humor jackass) so don't even start with me you fag.
Psy... by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 11:51:48 AM
Does that make you the resident Cog "bear"? Or are you more of a "twink"?
Neither Lord Turtle...... by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 11:58:37 AM
I'm that undefined minority among gays: Not totally masculine, not totally feminine, too old to be a twink, too skinny and hairless to be bear. And as you can see I have a bit of objective perspectivve on the whole 'being gay' issue. Yeah fuck you again R.D.T. Byrd, faggots like you make me sick. (yeah that's right, Mr. Garrison WAS right. I can say FAG all I want, Fag!)
Yeah, I didn't think you were stereotypical. by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 12:13:15 PM
I was just wondering.
El DID Create Al Quesada! And I... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 12:14:49 PM
...told the first "Johnny Fuckerfaster" joke so I want credit for that. Remember, the next time any of you say,"Johnny Fuckerfaster!" "I am, Mom! I am!" Buzz Maverik gets a quarter. That's how I can afford to do this all day.
superhero by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 12:16:16 PM
Oh, most definitely he will forever be known as al Quesada. I'm not sure it's all Bru's fault though. Even if he said he was planning it all along, it just doesn't seem to fit right. I mean, if I can't trust Bru then I might as well just not read any Marvel books, excluding Whedon and PAD and what's left of McKeever that is. Bug, I'm dying to know if nofate read your Mighty Avengers review. ; )
It's interesting that… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 12:44:29 PM
Captain America is going to continue to be published.
willydevon: welcome to AICN by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 12:47:05 PM
The reviews are never for a comic book that came out the previous day. The two-week hiatus was due to the @$$ies given out last week. This may surprise you, but these are people with lives reviewing the comics, and they also prefer to put effort into their reviews rather than churn something out and post it the same day (as the reviews typically come out on Wednesday). Plus I'm sure the aforementioned event will be the subject of a round table. (No pressure guys ;) )
So...Captain America is a 'legacy' now? by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 12:47:05 PM
Hmm...now where have I heard that idea before?
...the hell? by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 01:03:08 PM
I can't believe I missed this! See, this is why Harry should always put this on the front page. Nothing against AICN, but sometimes I wish this had its own site, so that it could be given its proper due. Bah! Now off to actually read the damn column.
yep by Shigeru	Mar 8th, 2007 01:04:41 PM
bucky = cap now. at least for a while.
no roundtable please by Shigeru	Mar 8th, 2007 01:08:33 PM
I'm already so sick of all this crap that I want to upchuck, who wants to be the next pussycat doll-style.
I heard Punisher picked up his mask. by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 01:09:45 PM
I wonder where they're going with that.
When is Squashua going to review Housewives At Play? by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 01:13:47 PM
I'm dying to know his thoughts. Seriously, you guys should review one wank mag a week here. Was there ever a Lost Girls review, or did I miss that? I wouldn't blame the guys if there wasn't, as $75 is a lot to pay for crayola colored effing.
Shig… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 01:14:08 PM
I shamefully know EXACTLY what you mean. Those chicks were in a competition all right… to see who could projectile vomit the furthest. Good grief. Ermm… I think Punisher if anything will end up giving the mask to Winter Soldier cause it would be stupid if Punisher tried being Cap and Marvel would never do anything stupid or out of character.
Don't get me wrong by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 01:15:32 PM
I know the history. If anyone could carry the sheild (besides Cable I guess...WTF?) it would be Bucky. However, has anyone stopped to think about the fact that if this shit does go down, we'll have Captain America, bastion of the free-thinking Western World, as brought to you by the KGB. I love how we get to pretend that the Cold War never happened and all, but....shit.
Quoted for Truth by SamBluestone	Mar 8th, 2007 01:16:11 PM
"You guys know the theory of the Uncanny Valley? How an artificial representation of a person becomes more relatable the more human it looks, until it hits a point that's so close, the only thing that stands out are the differences and it becomes something repulsive and uncomfortable to look at? That's what Marvel has become. It's a world smack dab at the bottom of that valley, with NBC's “Heroes” up on top of one side and Kirkman's INVINCIBLE on the other. It's a world that is ugly and bitter; a world that has taken characters older than I am and turned them into something so far removed from their original intent that they've become something monstrous." Word, Vroom. Word word a million times, WORD.
Pussycat Dolls by Shigeru	Mar 8th, 2007 01:23:39 PM
Unfortunately I watched a lot of TV last night... yeah I watched Growing Pains (I MEAN COME ON), and then American Idol, fuck you! And while we were waiting for Lost to come on, Mrs. Shigeru and I stumbled upon... like 8 hookers (I think they were hookers), forcefully throwing up copious amounts of brown liquid-chunks into bushes. I'm not sure if the competition was who could wear the least amount of clothes and puke the most amount of shit, but it was funny. Like, the missus couldn't stop cackling, funny.
Math term for Thalya that I was trying to remember: by Shigeru	Mar 8th, 2007 01:26:53 PM
INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL.
So... wait a sec Psy... by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 01:27:31 PM
...you weren't fapping when I was a chick, so you might be now? o_O
3 in a row (Walking Dead #35 Cover) by Shigeru	Mar 8th, 2007 01:29:30 PM
It's a rotting mouth. With falling out teeth. You can practically feel the STENCH. Good shit. I just read the letters column for that issue, and a dude in there says that its a sad fact that "a great deal of white readers will masturbate to that scene", meaning the Michonne beating/rape. W T F
Wait by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 01:48:17 PM
You didn't? jk; ppl r weird.
Wow by El Vale	Mar 8th, 2007 01:52:53 PM
That is fucked up, Shig. Imagine going through life thinking that's what's in the wite man's head.
Anyway LOL by El Vale	Mar 8th, 2007 01:53:55 PM
"It’s just like the classic Larry Hama silent issue of GI JOE, only with more anal sex" Good stuff Squash!
You know what grinds my gears? by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 01:58:11 PM
When Joe Q tells journalists that once, death meant nothing in comics, and now it does, knowing full well that they brought back Magneto, Hawkeye, and others, I'm sure, under the thinnest and lamest of circumstances. Gah!
Moriarty reviewed "Lost Girls" on his own. by rev_skarekroe	Mar 8th, 2007 02:04:51 PM
I don't know that it ever got an @$$hole review.
No, not now Squash.... by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 02:11:23 PM
I like men like me, geeky and kinda skinny, but hot. (But I have this weird mental thing that unless I know a guy is actually gay they are as sexually attractive to me as a woman I.E-not at all)
That's not that weird, Psynapse. by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 02:29:57 PM
It's all about realistic hopes and availability. It's why I don't understand how people go nuts over celebrities. You're never going to meet them, and there are people just as attractive, albeit not famous, in your everyday life. Although, to be fair, I have this weird America Ferrera fetish. I'd like to take her curvy latina ass behind a middle school and get her pregnant.
Waitaminute, I'm NOT alone in thinking that? by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 02:48:28 PM
Huh. Yeah, I never could get into the whole 'celebrity worship' thing for those very reasons BayouWilly. That said, I had a MASSIVE crush on Andy Hallett of Angel fame for about 3 days after spending 20 minutes chatting him up at MegaCon a few years back ('Cuz if he ain't gay then I must not be either, y'dig?)
Get to work folks! Damn, we're only number 6! by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 02:51:15 PM
Get to posting fuckers!
Actually by El Vale	Mar 8th, 2007 02:57:42 PM
Saying death in comics means something now isn't the same as saying dead means dead. Still, this kind of publicity stunt only makes things worse in the end. You kill Captain America, everyone notices and they...emote or something, i don't know...and then when you bring him back it's like bleh, why did i even care in the first place?
Killing a character, establishing a legacy, and then... by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 03:06:15 PM
returning the original character back to life once the hype dies down. WHERE have I heard that before????
I don't know what to want more... by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 03:10:04 PM
for Marvel to keep Steve Rogers dead and prove all of us wrong, or for them to bring him back as he's Steve Fucking Rogers. And does anyone else feel the way about TV's Ugly Betty? I mean, no offense comics, but that's what I'm worried about the most.
celebrity crushes by Shigeru	Mar 8th, 2007 03:11:27 PM
FEH! Difference is, Natalie Portman actually IS my girlfriend-on-the-side. True story.
SO, umm Captain America by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 03:15:35 PM
He didn't actually DIE in the issue; no one says anything definate. And it's to be continued. I'm sure we'll have 1 month of Marvel milking the cash cow before Captain America #26 arrives.
EV by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 03:17:12 PM
Thanks, Vale. I wasn't sure if I was going to refer to it as having more or LESS anal sex. Decided to be kind to YO JOE!
Anal sex RULES! by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 03:35:18 PM
You KNOW alla you breeder dudes get all worked up when she says it's okay to use the back door!
Jeph Loeb on his Fallen Son One-Shots… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 03:37:32 PM
"Just that I know - being a fellow comic book fan myself - I'm sure this story is very shocking and upsetting. My intention is to try and wrestle those feelings to the ground. It's not easy what Marveldom is going through and it won't be for fandom either. If Fallen Son helps speak to those reactions, then that's half the battle. And if Cap has taught us anything, it's to fight on." I thought Cap did the EXACT OPPOSITE in CW? F'n Millar. These five one-shots come out in April and May. Cap #26 also deals with his death by beginning the autopsy on his body http://tinyurl.com/2yw9by Either way the inevitable 'return' of Steve Rogers is a bad situation for fans and for Marvel in the long run. But hey, who am I to remind them how to run a company that they nearly bankrupted doing the same sort of shitty stories and variant covers?
heh, "breeder dudes" by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 03:38:41 PM
; )
Cap dead? by Jinxo	Mar 8th, 2007 03:51:52 PM
Cap's dead. Well... unless the new Initiative comic is true. Can't believe with all the talk nobody has brought up this comic in which Ms. Marvel out and out tells Spider-Woman, "Cap's not dead! They faked his death." Kinda weird for them to put that out at the exact same time they killed him. Give me a week to really buy into his death at least. Plus I ended up reading the "He's not dead" before I had a chance to read the issue where he's killed. Sat there going, "What the hell are they talking about?" Of course Ms. Marvel could be lying but the entire scene is her being honest with Spider-Woman to the point of violating Iron Man's rules in an attempt to get her to register. So it would be odd she'd lie on that one thing.
Even IF he really is dead it's still utterly pointless. by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 04:05:11 PM
Look at how shitty (and shoddily) they treated their 2nd biggest character death ever with 'The Return' (though you may want to argue this I still feel the biggest 'death' Marvel ever did was Jean Grey's suicide in X-Men #137-that shit made me cry when I was 11!).
And while we're on the subject of Anal Sex.... by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 04:12:31 PM
Thought for the day: Friends are like asscheeks. Shit may separate them but they always come back together.
Yeah, Cap's about as dead as… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 04:16:25 PM
Jean Grey was, er, or is? How many times did Jean die and get brought back? I just don't want that to happen to Steve Rogers. I don't want him sullied any more than he already has been thanks to the American hating Millar and the gleaming eyed sales-crazy al Quesada. Ughhh, if and when they bring Steve back I hope it's worth it completely unlike The Return was. If Bru can bring back Bucky the way he did and have him not only not suck, but kick ass then I'll at least wait and see how he does things down the line if he's still on the book. Still, bad news. Waaay more bad than good at the House of M. Ughh… HoM.
Ha! Take that South Park TB! by Psynapse	Mar 8th, 2007 04:20:02 PM
Kicked your sorry ass...
You know what sucks about CM getting brought back? by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 04:24:26 PM
Side note-you can put Mar-Vell up with Hawkeye and Magneto. What sucks is, cancer is a real disease. It's one of the most common ways to die, and it can hit any body at any time for any reason. It's one of the things even I don't joke with, and I joke with anything. Maybe some comic fan lost a relative or friend to cancer, or maybe they were afflicted with it themselves. Maybe they found solace with the story of one of the universe's champions being brought low by it, with even his powers and friends doing nothing to stave off the inevitable. Well... fuck you, comic fan! Signed, Marvel Corp.
You know what? by El Vale	Mar 8th, 2007 04:28:00 PM
I call bullshit on all of this! Guy's not dead...that statement by Marvel reads more like an "OH SHIT! I can't believe we printed that...someone make it go away!" than something someone not desperate would say. "So Cap's dead...no i mean it, the guy's completely dead i mean...i've never seen a deader person. In the history of death and people who die, Cap is the deadest of them all. And not dead like Jesus either, but really dead. Don't believe me? Have an autopsy" Well they had an alien autopsy a few years ago.
ZombieSolutions by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 05:03:01 PM
That cracked me up! "Quite simply brilliant" Hahaha!!! Thanks, I needed that.
Plus… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 05:05:36 PM
MARVEL Pwns (Whilst DC Drones) Awesome. That may be the best subject line EVER. I mean, it rhymes and you said, 'pwns'. Hahaha!!!
I hope you die.... by GreatA'Tuin	Mar 8th, 2007 05:09:06 PM
DIE MONSTER DIE! The undead should not talk.
Good to have you by El Vale	Mar 8th, 2007 05:16:06 PM
Mr QuesadaSolutions.
The Red Skull's Body Is A Clone of Cap's... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 05:39:59 PM
...which is a good argument against continuity, but it's something to think about. Everybody hated the SPIDER CLONE RETURNS saga, right? I didn't read it myself, having read the first Spider Clone stories in the early days of my comic book addiction. But the Clone Saga is universally loathed. Watch the whole damned Marvel Universe become a clone saga. Like I told Quesdilla (I can't use Al Quesada because I'd owe El money and I can't figure out the damned dollar to dinero exchange rate), Millar, Bendis and Alonzo Axl: it's no achievement to piss off the guys who call you on your bullshit; the achievement is winning us over.
I know who's replacing Steve Rogers by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 05:56:13 PM
Charlie America of the New Paramounts.
CW IS Socially Relevant... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 06:00:34 PM
I think it's about time somebody said something about all these damned superheroes. Just step outside your door and you almost get your face burnt off by a heat ray. Mutter so much as an "Oh, nice" about it and you get buried up to your eyeballs in adamantium. I think it's courageous of the Marvel Comics group to tackle this issue in this day and age. Why, just last month, I was using some of my frequent flyer miles when the plane was blown off course by one of those bastards flying by in pursuit of some idiot in something called an Atomo-Car. I mean, I'm crossing the parking lot at the mall at a half-ton green bastard drops out of the sky and lands inches from me. I was such a nervous wreck I had to eat a Cinn-o-bun and I haven't eaten sweets in two years. Comic books are no longer for kids. They deal with the hard issues. On one hand, billionaires should be free to dress up like rodents or golems or whatever and drive around in unlicensed jetmobiles or soar through the sky via their booster shorts. On the other, regular joes like me should be able to walk their dog at night without getting out butts sniffed by Krypto, Hulkdog and Lockjaw. Thank you, Marvel Comics for so eloquently stating our plight. I applaud you! I appauld you!
Steve Rogers Replace By His Daughter... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 06:08:16 PM
...whom no one knew he had. Every superhero has a daughter that neither he nor his fans knew that he had. These mystery daughters will one day replace their fathers. I'm personally waiting for the new female Iron Man. "How come none of us have sons?" "Claremont." "Nuff said." Look for Stephanie Rogers as Captain America. In the opening issue she'll face the menace of the Strawberry Blonde Skull and her henchperon Jumped Bones. The issue ends with the appearance of the latest, greatest, girliest incarnation of that metallic monster the Sleeparounder. Also, just wait until Stephanie teams up with Sam Wilson's daughter and replacement, Sammi Wilson, aka Li'l Falcon.
The Patriot Act is NOT the same as the Registration Act by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:13:04 PM
I did NOT have to register as a superhero as a result of the Patriot Act. In all seriousness, though, they're not. The Registration Act is active: you must reveal yourself and then we'll keep tabs on you. The Patriot Act is passive: we'll keep tabs on you and if needed we'll reveal you.
But What About The Superheroes? by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 06:16:01 PM
Hypno-gassings! Gamma fallout! Only yesterday my cousin Rico Maverik was beaned by a coupling cylinder from a killer robot that had been smashed by one of those superjerks Thunder Baton over seventy miles away.
Buzz: I feel your pain by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:17:03 PM
It's why I moved out of the City. That and because Brachiating Man kept looking in my window while I was undressing.
Thanks, chrth. Makes Ya Long For A World... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 06:20:30 PM
...full of talking ducks without pants.
Has there ever been a superhero who kept his identity by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:20:43 PM
secret as a diversion? You know, they had no relatives or people they were close to so they weren't vulnerable. But they still did the secret identity thing in the hopes that a villain or two would waste their time trying to find a weakness? I'd do that.
Ducks?!? Oh no! by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:22:20 PM
They laugh at your hairstyle and sleep with your wife!
I Get It. Registration Act=Pants On Ducks Act. by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 06:28:51 PM
Liberal hogwash, if you ask me! Those damned ducks can wear pants just like the rest of us do most of the time (and I can explain that time on the roof of the campus security office...)
"a frightening number of people are practically begging by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:33:51 PM
to have their civil liberties taken away based on the thinest of pretenses" Are these people in Fantasyland, because I haven't seen any massive pro-Patriot Act rallies.
If Superheroes Don't Exist... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 8th, 2007 06:37:08 PM
...who put all the president's head back on Mt. Rushmore the time they were highjacked by Montaglia? When Whacked Clown was mowing down rush hour traffic in his impenetrable Street Sweeper O' Death, who was it that kept pelting it with Energy Orbs until it melted? Yeah, they don't exist...like the Radium Horde didn't invade the surface world in '86 only to be stopped by the crew of that space shuttle that went missing after a "mishap" with a comet a few years earlier...
You know, the Presidents' heads are a natural formation by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:39:48 PM
Abe Lincoln told me.
We get letters, we get lettters... by Squashua	Mar 8th, 2007 06:44:07 PM
Geoff J. writes: [Dear Squashua,] Maybe it's because I've fallen out of step with Powers (I think I read the last TPB, and that was... a while ago), but I have no idea what your review is supposed to mean. Would you mind clarifying? - - - - Thanks for writing, Geoff I certainly can clarify for you. In this issue of Powers, Mr. Bendis overuses a particular word as spoken the major source of prime evil in an otherwise excellent storyline; in fact, so excellent as to, in my opinion, rival the issue he wrote featured masturbating primates. I hope that clears everything up. Sincerely, Squashua
Masturbating primates?!? by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 06:48:13 PM
Oh, you mean monkeys. Never mind.
Thalya re: BRAVE AND BOLD by Prof Challenger	Mar 8th, 2007 06:50:27 PM
I was all prepared to sit down and give a deep open-mouth kiss to B&B #1 and just literally ran out of time this past week. I apologize. Consider me spanked. It was worth it. I may still do a "Better Late Than Never" review anyway. :)
ZombieSolutions… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 07:06:59 PM
in all of your brilliance you may have done some actual research before typing things like this, "MARVEL has been leading the pack for ages whereas DC barely registers a blip on the radar" - why don't you check out the following link whilst thinking about not typing moronic stuff like describing Civil War as "zeitgeist-tastic wonderment" huh? 2006 Year End Sales: http://tinyurl.com/2fk6dx January 07 Sales: http://tinyurl.com/2p7967 That's the year end sales charts of 2006. As anyone can clearly see, DC registers far more than a blip. Also, nobody was really defending DC (wait for T to get here), but you're right - we don't like challenging stories… well, at least the kind that are challenging in the sense that a story asks us to believe that Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Peter Parker, Steve Rogers, etc. would act completely our of character to fit said story instead of the story fitting the character. Yeah, I don't want that type of 'challenging' story. You can keep that shit whilst getting 'pwned' by the voice of reason.
It's no use arguing with ZS by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 07:12:00 PM
Anyone who hasn't made the effort to update his Kos-approved Rhetoric after last November is not going to respond to reason. He's probably still waiting for Bush to re-enact the draft.
that was meant as 'out' of character, not 'our' by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 07:12:19 PM
edit feature, blah, blah…
Too true, chrth… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 07:14:27 PM
I saw Peter's hair cut. Crazy.
That was a great touch. What a great show by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 07:16:59 PM
I lurve it so much I think I'm anticipating the DVD release more than the next episode. Who knew that in Mohinder's next life he would be a ceiling fan?
Civil War Pro's And Con's by Jinxo	Mar 8th, 2007 07:19:11 PM
I'll actually agree with many of the words being used to describe Civil War: challenging, thoughtful, socially relevant, politically astute... etc... But a story can still be all of that and also be no fun, a bummer, depressing... And no matter how deeply meaningful and complex a book is, if after reading it you think, "I feel disgusted and like I never want to read a comic book again," then it's a failure. I don't read comics for social metaphors and commentary on society. Don't get me wrong, if that stuff is in there and well done that's great. But the primary reason I plunked down my money every week is for fun entertainment. If you can entertain me and enlighten me, that's awesome. But don't get so caught up in the socio-political "real world" metaphors that entertainment and fun take a back seat to it.
I don't care if a story is socially relevant... by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Mar 8th, 2007 07:21:22 PM
I care if it's (what's the word?)...oh yeah, good. The thing is, it's not really "zeitgeisty". The Patriot Act and war on terror has been going on for 5+ years. If anything, it's behind the times. Why don't you read Watchmen if you have suck a woody for politically-themed, realistic comics. I actually really like The Ultimates. It made more sense, was done with new characters, therefore, nothing could be "out of character", and it launched around 9/11, making it more zeitgeisty-since you're all hard over zeitgeists.
I may disagree a little more, Jinxo… by The Heathen	Mar 8th, 2007 07:32:19 PM
but you have valid points. I think it also depends on what a book starts out as and what its intentions are and should be. The Avengers should be a group of superheroes fighting villains and alien invasions. That's not saying it can't be somewhat relevant of the times, but not nearly as much as CW was. I friggin hate the way our country is being run currently and the last thing I want is a guy who sticks to walls and has a spider-sense telling me that our country is in the shitter. Books like The Walking Dead though start out with the social relevance and the allegory of man being more dangerous than Zombies etc. and they stick with it and it works for certain books like that. Btw, Jinxo. Welcome! Good to have a new @$$hole.
Cap surrender in CW#7 worked, kiling him off didn't by TallBoy66	Mar 8th, 2007 08:03:35 PM
It was unconventional and interesting, and, most importantly, I can buy that he'd do it because of all the poor, poor people who were being hurt. I think the real cheat was killing Cap off 2 freakin weeks later, when we all expected CW to end that way, but it didn't do it that way, whichi s why it worked. Damn Brubaker, loved his Cap run so far, but killing off Steve Rodgers just seems weak. But we are talking about the guy who "killed" Foggy Nelson and Red Skull, and they were back in, what, 6 issues?
The thing that bugs me about the Registration Act by chrth	Mar 8th, 2007 08:09:48 PM
Is that it's the Spirit of '75 all over again. The Keane Act obviously didn't work, why would we expect the Registration Act to work?
Prof, were you just down at a watering hole? by Thalya	Mar 8th, 2007 08:24:40 PM
lets steam escape her collar Damn, everyone's getting loosened up around here.. offers Banana cream pie?
Al Quesada's inverted penis... by loodabagel	Mar 8th, 2007 09:20:00 PM
Thayla, I would like a pie. May I have a pie please? Well, sorry Captain America, but there's not much I can do for you. That Iron Man guy is acting like a bigger douche every day of the week, and goddamnit, I'm getting used to it. This guy's fueling his suit from baby blood now and I hear he's got plans to form some allegiances with Darksied and Darth Vader, regarding control of the universe. Shit. Cap, you got out while the getting was good. Iron Man is Hal Jordan Fuck that government bullshit. Let's talk about Runaways. The Runaways are basically kings of the Marvel Universe and I think they should let Spiderman, Daredevil, She Hulk and maybe Moon Knight or Iron Fist join their team. They deserve it. Also, I'd like it if everyone had a cute anime hat.
My "shop" by loodabagel	Mar 8th, 2007 09:21:05 PM
Stopped getting 52. Now if that isn't just the biggest fuck you to the fans, I don't know what is.
Looda... by Thalya	Mar 8th, 2007 09:59:23 PM
You sure you want a pie?
Looda by El Vale	Mar 8th, 2007 10:11:16 PM
I can't believe 52 has fans.
Socially relevant, challenging, thought provoking by Movietool	Mar 8th, 2007 11:37:58 PM
And absolutely 100% devoid of fun. Not one moment of joy - just page after page of socially relevant melodrama. Nothing inherently wrong with that, of course, except for the fact that nobody's reading anymore. Today's best-selling books would have been considered utter failures in terms of sales in the eighties. But, by all means, keep grinding away at deconstructionist stories, Marvel and DC, you'll succeed in having zero customers in no time.
MarvelZombieSolutions by vroom socko	Mar 9th, 2007 12:33:58 AM
I hate to reiterate my own review, but I guess I'd better. You know all the elements from Civil War that you're talking about? The social relevance, the culteral zeitgeist whatever-the-fuck, all the stuff you loved about the book? It's been done. Better. Twenty years ago. In three books called Squadron Supreme, The Dark Knight Returns, and Watchmen. Oh, and two of those three were published by DC. Not that it matters; most of the more culturally relivant comics I've read were published by people other than Marvel and/or DC. (Zeitgeist? Stop trying to impress a bunch of comics readers by acting smart and superior. It won't work.)
...cause we're already smart and superior by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 12:53:18 AM
You heard it here first folks!
Exactly by vroom socko	Mar 9th, 2007 01:33:16 AM
Listen to El Vale. He is a source of wisdom. (Of course, his source of wisdom is the severed head of Vasco Núñez de Balboa, which he keeps in a Tupperware bowl under his bed so it can whisper to him the secrets of the universe while he sleeps.)
Civil War is socially relevant? Wha-huh? by superhero	Mar 9th, 2007 02:06:37 AM
It's socially relevant because the Registration Act is barely disguising itself as a piss poor version of The Patriot Act? How the fuck is that socially relevant? Marvel creates an event that so obviously mirrors what the supposed current zeitgeist is and that's socially relevant? Um, no. That's called writing some crappy assed super hero fictional story instead of tackling the real issues in today's society. Socially relevant would have been Captain America ACTUALLY fighting against the Patriot Act. Socially relevant would have been speaking out about the actual issues in today's society. But, see, corporate mainstream characters can't actually do that, can they? Dark Knight Returns was socially relevant...it actually changed the way comics were made. Civil War is just using current events to try and be meaningful. Which it's not. It's hucksterism pretending to be more important than it could ever hope to be. Please Civil War is just as subtle and just as "socially relevant" as Rosanne Barr singing the National Anthem.
Sorry Vroom...hadn't read your post... by superhero	Mar 9th, 2007 02:08:45 AM
Right on my brother...right on...
FUN FACT: adding spaces to your talkback response - by TallBoy66	Mar 9th, 2007 03:46:49 AM
-makes it much better and, thereby, much more important than the lowly, common folk responses that we all post in here. Yes, Because, you know, since a "socialy relevant" (whatever the fuck that means) comic was done IN THE NINETEEN-FUCKING-EIGHTIES (only 20 years ago! How relevant) with Watchmen and Dark Knight then, obviously, absolutely ANYTHING and EVERYTHING published today that has any sort of hint of a political alegory has ABSOLUTELY NO MERIT because a bunch of pissed off British Guys and Frank Miller did it in the 80s. And, therefore, absolutely everything and anything done right now isn't worth reading. At all. Because it "sucks". Yeah. Sure. I believe you. And if this post had alot ... of ... spaces ... then it'd be ... super ... deep ... man ... Yeah. Fucking bullshit.
because, whenever someone did it before, it was better by TallBoy66	Mar 9th, 2007 03:51:42 AM
God knows nobody can throw out a political alegory in 2006/07 because Frank Miller and Alan Moore did it 20 years ago. Heavens, no. Because they were there first, they were totally right on the money. Nobody else can do it differently. Sure. Right. That argument makes alot of sense to me. Yep.
I'm not saying you can't do political allegory. by vroom socko	Mar 9th, 2007 03:59:18 AM
I'm saying the bar is set pretty damn high in this medium and this genre, and if you're going to do it you should do it well. Civil War didn't do it well. Not by a long shot. You got any examples that refute that? In fact, do you got anything constructive to say TallBoy, or do you just like to insult anyone who has an opinion you don't like. What am I saying, it's the TB, that's all anyone does here. Oh, and you must be the first person to ever complain about paragraph breaks in Talkback. That's hilarious, really. Everyone else has been complaining about NOT having them for the past ten years. Man, what a cutup.
So, Civil War didn't have any allegories at all, eh? by TallBoy66	Mar 9th, 2007 06:41:36 AM
Okay, so, lets remove all the smarmy "yeah, CW relates to me because I see Iron Man flying outside my window every day. BOYA!!! SEE HOW IRONIC I'M BEEEEING!!" bullshit responses and lets get down to the nitty gritty. The argument presented in AICN reviews can be summed up thusly: "Civil War is bullshit because Alan Moore and Frank Millar did it first in the 80s." Okay, here's a newsflash for everybody: Things Happen Again. Sometimes, people do political parallels in mainstream comics that reflect certain times. Think about that for a second-- if the mainstream movies or TV in the 2000's did the level of allegory that CW is doing, they'd be yanked immediately. Comics are a much more immediate medium (despite all the delays that Hitch and Cassady and so forth are causing) and smaller audience. This lets comics be more "edgy" than the mainstream can. So you can get away with more stuff in an event like this than you can in the mainstream. Lets face it: "Civil War" is the "summer blockbuster" of the comic book world. It’s the fucking "Transformers" or the fucking "Shrek 3" of the printed monthlies. Could you get away with the level of crazy shit that CW did in the mainstream media landscape that we have now? No way. You'd be run out of town on a rail. The 80s Milestones like Dark Knight reflect its respective times as CW reflects its respective times. There are subtleties in Civil War that relate to the post 9/11 world that we live in (Stamford = 9/11 attacks. Registration = Patriot Act. Iron Man = corporate interests. Cap = independent civilian. However, if you want to ironically rip those arguments apart, go right ahead because I'll really pay attention to what you're saying. Totally.). Its the same subtext that'll you'll see if you go back and re-read the 80s stuff reflects the current climate that it was written in. But, the problem seems to be that CW and Marvel isn't subtle enough. Civil War is too ham fisted, too blatant. Okay, so, go back and dig up your old issues of Dark Knight or Watchmen... See, while Miller did something in Dark Knight where RONALD FUCKING REGAN is saying some jackass shit about "everything is going to be fine" while he's throwing on the nuclear containment suit (you know, it happens right at the end of the series before the Bats vs. Superman throwdown. Around the time where Joker snaps his neck) Millers work is put on a pedestal because He Did It First. Now, take that scene and transport it to Civil War with George Bush in the nuclear containment suit... people would rip it apart as a cheap parody. Civil War managed to take the issues of the day and present them as allegory that a mainstream audience will understand. Maybe not explicitly to the mainstream, but in a subtle manner that'll work underneath the brains of the person who's reading it. THAT is a good allegory. Now, if you want to go right ahead and list all of the specific political allegories that were listed, point by point, in Watchmen and Dark Knight, go right ahead. But I think its absolute bullshit to say, "Civil War didn't do it well" because the 80s works that you hold in such high regard do the same shit as Civil War. Yes, the overriding themes of government oppression repeat themselves in 80s and again repeat themselves in the 2000’s, but that's because humanity repeats itself. Again and again. If you see something from the 80s repeated in a crossover from today, that's not because Millar is sitting there with a notepad writing down the great beats of Watchmen, its because the Same Shit Happens Again And Again. And I think just casually tossing away Civil War as bullshit does a disservice to the relevance that it’s casting upon our post-9/11 world. The point is this: you can dig up the bones of WATCHMEN and DARK KNIGHT RETURNS all you want, just because fucking Moore and Millar did it awhile ago, but you can only shake that skeleton at us so much until we realize that new writers may take a new path on the same ideas. You love Dark Knight and Watchmen? Good job. There are, shockingly, other things going on out there today that'll be remembered. You wanna call CW off as bullshit posturing? Fine, go ahead. But you're blinding yourself to the social relevance that it’s talking about. However, since you read Dark Knight Returns, you can come off as alot smarter than anyone. So, good show. You read Dark Knight Returns. Whoop-de-fucking-do.
I didn't see any 'social relevance' in Civil War... by stones_throw	Mar 9th, 2007 07:08:46 AM
I saw an America-hating British writer shoe-horning post-9/11 events into the Marvel Universe (also blatantly ripping of WATCHMEN) as an excuse for Captain America and Iron Man to punch eachother, the FF to split up, Spidey to unmask and a million other out of character and money grabbing events. Forcing headlines into what is essentially juvenile fiction ain't social relevance.
How Many Of Y'All Would Worry About Patriot Act... by Buzz Maverik	Mar 9th, 2007 08:07:26 AM
...if that wasn't what Marvel's press releases overtly TOLD you that CW was about? Would you give a crap about freedom if it weren't threatened in your comic books? Were you the same people eating up those post-9/11 Cap vs. Al Queada comics? Remember the Bullseye comic where he worked for Al Queada (I think K-Smith couldn't be bothered to finish that)? So what actual BOOKS are you reading about the subject? (Google something quick!). What political journals? You know, you don't have to justify liking comic books. If you want to look smart, there's better ways to do it than reading comics. Obviously, I don't read comics to look intellectual! As Good Will Hunting told the grad student in the bar, "At least I won't be unoriginal." Have a thought that didn't come from Joe, Axel or Marvel PR. Freedom starts right now, with thinking for yourselves. As for allegory, I'll have an unoriginal thought of my own and echo Professor Tolkien (who may have been a little more intellectual than Joe or Axel, what with the Oxford professorship, and was an even better British writer than Mark Millar):"I hate allegory."
Tall Boy - the difference is . . . by Movietool	Mar 9th, 2007 08:47:23 AM
that in the 80's a deep, socially relevant, deconstructionist Superhero story was the EXCEPTION and not the RULE. Back then, most comics were trying to tell fun, rip-roaring stories that engaged the imagination. Now, they're all trying to create their own opus that's as good as "Watchmen" before they move out to California and sell a script or two. The result? Lower sales and practically no new readers picking up comics, because kids don't want to be taught a lesson when they're being entertained - they want to see the big monster punch an army tank accross three city blocks. Nowadays, the tank would land on an abortion clinic and we'd have to endure ten pages of talking heads discussing the social relevance.
SO WHAT if it's a fuckin' 'allegory'... by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 09:06:59 AM
The allegory is what? That our government is really a bunch of fascist fucks right now? No shit fuckfaces. WOW, I really needed something that I've shelled out my hard earned cash TO BE ENTERTAINED telling me what actually happening in the world around me ('Cuz you know the news just won't do that at all). I've been spending my own (either earned or stolen) money supporting this ENTERTAINMENT industry for the last 30 fucking years. And when it comes to shoehorning 'real life' into superhero comics why don't you chew on this for a moment: "First off, the idea that superhero comics should reflect the news headlines is not one I tend to subscribe to. I've always preferred using my comics to talk about the world around me in the language of symbolism and metaphor and I'm more interested in telling stories about how people behave in bizarre situations than I am in commenting on current events." A-fucking-men. (and thanks Grant)
Oh and Zombiesolutions? by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 09:16:20 AM
Just what does Al Quesada's cock taste like?
Uh... by loodabagel	Mar 9th, 2007 09:44:02 AM
Runaways?
It's not enough... by vroom socko	Mar 9th, 2007 09:56:13 AM
to be a good allegory. It has to also be a good story. Civil War is not a good story. It's barely even a good allegory. If the only point to CW was to slam the Patriot Act, then so what? Keith Olbermann does the same thing every night on tv. You think DKR was ONLY about Reganomics? Those older stories endure because their themes and ideas work on a much broader spectrum than CW. There's more to them than allegory. Civil War has no room to breathe as a story, the pages are so chocked full of allegory that probably isn't going to be relivant in a few years time anyway. It's dry, unoriginal, uninspired, and if it's the best damn alegory you've seen TallBoy, then you really need to read more.
Movietool by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 09:59:34 AM
"kids don't want to be taught a lesson when they're being entertained - they want to see the big monster punch an army tank accross three city blocks. Nowadays, the tank would land on an abortion clinic and we'd have to endure ten pages of talking heads discussing the social relevance." I LOL'd!
re: Tallboy's ginormous post by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 10:04:04 AM
There is so much blatantly wrong with almost everything you said, I don't know where to start. Wait, yes I do: Civil War re-hashing or not being as good as Watchmen or DKR is NO ONE'S primary argument against it. It's not even in the top 5.
That's the thing about CW...... by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 10:10:23 AM
There's not an original story beat or idea in any one of the 7 issues. Not. A. One.
Movin' on up by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 10:42:51 AM
I see you tryin' to mad-eye us Lost TB, oh yes I do.
Okay I'LL tie us then by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 10:49:20 AM
Not so smug now are you Lost TB.
Yukitup, Buzz, But Freedom IS At Stake. by Buzz Maverik	Mar 9th, 2007 11:04:00 AM
Since revealing yer secret identity is THE thing to do this year...my name is Miles Maverik. I'm a mild mannered motion picture producer. But I've found myself in possession of a suit of sentient armor that may be alive. When I don that suit, I become a defender of justice called Bio-Mechanic. That's just Bio-Mechanic, btw, not THE Bio-Mechanic, dammit! So, the other day, the implants in my brain pick up a signal that Johnny Testosterone is rampaging on the Promenade. Like I'm going to like some super-steroid case destroy Fatburger, right? I'm down there, being a good citizen, disrupting his molecules when some guy in a suit comes up to me and says,"You got a license for that thing?" License? It turns out that wearing a set of clothes that are really a futurist quantum accelerator takes a permit these days. And poor Johnny didn't get off much better. He wasn't charged with throwing the Pier into the Pacific, but it turns out Hormone-Triple X is a controlled substance and this is Johnny's third strike. Call me smarmy if you want (although I prefer "snarky")but this is exactly the kind of thing that CW is trying to save us from!
We Have To Take The Fun Out Of Our Fun, Ya Know. by Buzz Maverik	Mar 9th, 2007 11:28:09 AM
Of course, there should be ALL kinds of comics but let's face it, there aren't. That said, intellectualizing and academicizing our pop culture to justify the fact that most of us are chronologically men desperately hanging on to what is viewed as a child's entertainment is making the medium...what is the word I'm looking for...oh, yeah: suck. Let's look at other hobbies, shall we? Yesterday, I took my sons Bruce and Willis to the local park to play. We have a kick ass park nearby with several playgrounds, atheletic fields and it even has a track for grown men to race their radio controlled cars (I'm sorry but how can anybody say that WE comic fans are geeks?). My kids and I wander over there because it's cool and we like cars and racing and toys, right? We're watching, and I can't help but notice that my boys and I are the only ones smiling. All these guys, who are in their 30s and 40s and look like blue collar guys, are grim and serious, working frantically, rushing around. None of them were having fun with their toys. I think comic fans are a lot like that. Look at this talkback. The only people getting any joy out of CW are those of us who are mocking it. If you're really concerned about the Patriot Act, join the ACLU. Get active. Start a rally. Write the mainstream media, not an obscure website or a comic book message board. But if you have to be beaten over the head with the allegory, then the allegory is without art. Let's look at comics. Did Stan or Marvel TELL anybody at the time that the FF was about the evolution of the American family in the latter half of the 20th Century? Were we told that Spider-Man was about guilt, responsibility, inner-strength and redemption? The target audience would have rightly said, "Nuh-uh" if you told them that's DC's Silver Age Flash (a cop) and Green Lantern (a test pilot) represented American post-war dominance and prosperity (provided you were a white male at the time). Let's see, during the Vietnam War, the Hulk battled the US Military who wanted to make him conform. Superman is the Jungian savior from the outside, come to save us but never join us. Batman is twisted by a grudge and is never free. X-Men: we're told overtly now that they are oppressed minorites but I prefer the simple: kids grow up to be different than their parents. My Bronze Age favorites: Ghost Rider & Son of Satan: dark side of the counter culture; Luke Cage: black empowerment seen through the eyes of well meaning white liberals; Master of Kung Fu:...uh, martial arts comics are really cool...But we were never told any of that at the time. When you get your impassioned statements straight from Marvel (or the media that Marvel is sending press kits) you're getting your ideology from people who were paid to think that way. I just wish they'd be honest. "Hey, we're in the comic book business. We like what we do. We want good lives for ourselves and our families. We like that we can provide some entertainment and enjoyment and escape for our readers."
Remeber when reading comic books used to be fun? by Mr Incredible	Mar 9th, 2007 11:33:35 AM
What happened to those days? Seriously, what happened to them?
We're No. 3!! by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 11:35:04 AM
Ownage.
Right on, Buzz. by stones_throw	Mar 9th, 2007 11:50:21 AM
I haven't heard any of the Civil War apologists come up with anything other than the Marvel sponsored publicity lines.
What Buzz said..... by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 12:13:32 PM
Amen.
Up yours Gyllenhaal TB! by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 12:19:37 PM
Get thee behind me Satan.
Up your Gyllenhaal TB! by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 12:19:41 PM
Get thee behind me Satan.
C'mon people! by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 12:46:30 PM
I can't kick the other TB's asses by myself ya know. fires up Cog-signal....Goddammit, they nicked the lightbulb again! Fuckers......
Cog Signal? Oh snap, snap, snap! by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 12:55:46 PM
Gyllenhaal to replace Katie Holmes? I love me some Maggie (ever since that damn sexy The Secretary poster. Growwwl.) but I hate when characters are replaced by different actors unless it's unavoidable like Harris as Dumbledore or something. What do you folks think? That right Gyllenhaal TB, I'm stealing your shit!
Gorram it! by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 12:59:46 PM
'That's right Gyllenhaal TB' The apostrophe and s totally make that sentence sound like something at least normal. I mean, it's not as cool as using 'whilst', 'zeitgeist' or 'pwned', but it does the job.
i'm still at a loss at how by blackthought	Mar 9th, 2007 01:26:55 PM
some thought civil war was good. brad walker and i just eviscerate the book but then again i'll gladly take any civil war issues for my fire place...it's cold here. and sayid should kick marvel's ass.
I do read comics to look intellectual! by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 01:30:35 PM
People just laugh tho' Frowny face
I'd put mine up gyllenhaal's... by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 01:35:29 PM
Maggie, natch.
walking dead #35 scene by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 01:40:30 PM
when Glenn and Maggie are laying on the bed about to DO IT, and Glenn is like "shit do I smell smoke??" I thought for sure he was going to go out and try to stop them burning bodies because the Governor's clan would see the smoke and know where to find them. I kind of wish more bad stuff happened as a result of zombies getting into the prison. Maybe it will happen. I dunno, I guess I'm just a sick bastard that wants to see these characters be put through hell some more.
Watchmen and DKR vs Civil War by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 01:46:45 PM
Watchmen didn't star Batman and Superman and the like. I can boil it down to that. It was its own thing and it was all the better for it. Even DKR was its own thing, sort of elseworldsey, set in a "dystopian future" etc...and let's not forget some people outright rejected it when it came out simply because it was Batman. Frank Miller (and that's so disturbing you'd mistakingly call him Frank Millar) got phone calls from former Batman creators telling him he'd ruined the character, if i remember correctly. Still, like someone smarter than me said above, those books had lots more going for them than just the allegories. If you're going to boil Watchmen down to just social relevance, you're out of your wits. In fact, that's the reason no one's been able to replicate the brilliance of Watchmen so far: it's not about the one thing. I could even quote Alan Moore and say Watchmen is about how reality mirrors itself, but that doesn't even begin to cover it either. DKR on the other hand was intrinsically about Batman as a character. And that's the reason so many people reject Civil War so, it was never about Iron Man or Captain America as characters. It was about the hamfisted political allegory and social relevance, with a bunch of firmly established characters shoehorned into convenient enough places to serve the storyline. That, my friends, is fanfiction at it's blatant worst.
Oh shit! by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 01:48:34 PM
I haven't read the nww Walking Dead yet! BRB.
Ahhh! No WD spoilers!!!! by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 01:50:05 PM
I'm too poor and I haven't gotten my books yet! I'm sick to death of talking about the… death of Cap. Let's discuss the death's that Jack Bauer has caused and what weapons he used to do them: www.bauercount.com
oops! by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 02:03:11 PM
Sorry about the spoilers dudes. Vale, that was a post of beauty, mi amigo. Quoted For Fucking Truth: "And that's the reason so many people reject Civil War so, it was never about Iron Man or Captain America as characters. It was about the hamfisted political allegory and social relevance, with a bunch of firmly established characters shoehorned into convenient enough places to serve the storyline."
All done by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 02:05:52 PM
Sincerely thought it was gonna be far worse for those people. Oh well, we're sick bastards i guess.
Thanks Shig by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 02:09:27 PM
You guys didn't see it comming!
Crikey! by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:14:10 PM
Hard to keep up with all the comic related news. First off, can't wait to see 300 in IMAX this weekend. Secondly, TallBoy made yet another inane post on the Rorshach/300 TB. Moriarty had to reply. As for Rorshach? The mask looks different than what I'd have it be, but this is only a test. I haven't been excited or against the Watchmen movie, but Snyder seems like he at least cares. He's setting it in 1985 and including the Pirate story. That's cool with me. Whatever ends up happening we'll always have the classic book and Civil War will always suck. Some thing just won't change. Mmm… Maggie! I'd much prefer Natalie Portman as Indy's daughter over Louis Stevens (Even Stevens son!!!) but the kid isn't a bad actor, he's just not Natalie Portman, but he should be. He definitely doesn't look like Indy. Marion though? Hmm… Spileberg has the TinTin rights? I know nearly nothing about the source material. Is this good? People likey? Comic Justice was THE WORD on The Colbert Report last night. Crazy. Does anyone care about the Rob Zombie remake of Halloween?
Vale… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:18:27 PM
what Shig said. Period.
The thing about Watchmen..... by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 02:18:28 PM
Is that it was a story idea that Moore had for DC's acquisition of the Charlton character library. All he did was change the names when Dc said "Uhh...No we don't think so/" Dr. Manhattan= Captain Atom Silk Spectre= Nightshade Nite Owl=Blue Beetle Rorschach= The Question Ozymandias= Thunderbolt True story.
Good point, Psy. by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:22:36 PM
And also very true.
And regarding Mr. Moore..... by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 02:23:45 PM
For me, the bloom was off the rose permanently when I read about his "Twilight of the Gods/Ragnarok" idea he had for the DCU. It was kind of Kingdom Come but with the big guns all in charge of their respective 'families' (Wondy married Supes for example) but the sick kicker is that he had Captain and Mary Marvel having a kid together. Sorry Alan, but your desire to pervert those 2 heroes of my childhood that depravely just sucks ass bud.
TinTin by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 02:25:10 PM
TinTin is probably one of the best comics series ever created. This is the stuff i grew up reading and it still holds up. They're just amazing and fun adventure stories featuring some of the best comic book characters ever (Captain Haddock is probably my favorite comic book character), and Hergé's art is some of the best comics art i've ever seen. Highly recommended, TinTin is my childhood.
Watchmen really benefited by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 02:28:15 PM
From not being able to use said characters.
yeah... by blackthought	Mar 9th, 2007 02:30:39 PM
heathen i like that bauer site...it's hilariously heart warming...makes me feel safe to know how many and how bauer dispatched of villainy...i wonder what he'd do to alqueseda (sounds like a bad taco bell product)...season 4's kill total will hopefully be topped this season.
You guys are nuts... by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 02:34:55 PM
Anybody replacing Katie Holmes is a step up.
Maggie Gyllenhaal's fug by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 02:36:54 PM
You heard me.
I agree Vale... by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 02:37:10 PM
But I'm always so mystified at how he gets damn near deified when people talk about Watchmen. Given that his intent WASN'T any kind of relevant social commentary, it was an attempt to deconstruct and humiliate existing characters. I mean, hey, I enjoyed Watchmen, I just knew what it really was from the outset.
Twilight of the Superheroes by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:44:49 PM
Sounded amazing actually. If anyone hasn't read the treatment, Google it and print out he ten pages or so. Kingdom Come and even some of the ideas surrounding House of M stemmed from Twilight. Moore loved Crisis so much he went to DC and said he wanted to do a big mega event thing too and that's what he gave them. I liked the idea about having the different Houses and the way it begins and ends with John Constantine was brilliant. I'll look into TinTin, Vale. I knew it was highly regarded, but I've never read anything from it. I agree in some ways about not using the DC characters for Watchmen. Basically because it sets it apart and because Superman could have wrecked that monster thing up I guess. I don't think anyone will argue that it should have been the other way at least.
Watchmen flick by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 02:46:02 PM
If I was writing a script the first thing I would have done would be to excise the pirate story. They are going to have trouble fitting everything in in the first place, and the pirate comic works so well because of it's meta comic-within-a-comic thing.
Oh so you dig incest Heath? by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 02:48:17 PM
I knew you were a perv.
i think in greengrass' adaptation it was excised... by blackthought	Mar 9th, 2007 02:48:19 PM
no piratas at all. and you know, i'd love for DC and Moore to come back and revisit twighlight...imagine that work if it came to fruition in an absolute edition...drooling.
I never said Maggie wasn't a step up… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:49:15 PM
I just don't like changing actors or actresses mid-movies like that, especially when the person is living and well. Maggie is cute, maybe not as cute as Jake, but still cute as hell. Plus, she's a damn fine actress. I dunno, thought. Jack's got his work cut out for him to top season 4. Here's hoping though! I love that site.
I would have killed to see Greengrass' take. by Shigeru	Mar 9th, 2007 02:51:15 PM
And I too would also kill for an absolute hardcover twilight of the superheroes...
Hey, Psy… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:51:34 PM
I live as deep down South as you do, just more near those rural parts. Mmm hmm… incest! ; )
Absolut Twilight? by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 02:53:51 PM
… excuse me while I change my pants. Greengrass would have rocked indeed. I got some faith in Snyder though.
The New Cap by Pogue__Mahone	Mar 9th, 2007 03:14:00 PM
Know what would be cool and ballsy!? Having someone equally cool and ballsy pick up the Mantle of Captain America. Not Bucky... that's TOO easy! BUt what better way to honour his fallen friend than by donning the red, white and blue... and it'll get red neck American's up in arms! My vote for the new Captain America? LUKE CAGE!!!
Watchmen movie by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 03:15:20 PM
Aw man, i don't know...i never wanted it to happen but what can you do, right? Psy, Moore was in a very snobbish place when he started writing Watchmen. Since he was going to be writing a superhero book, and isn't that embarrassing, he thought he'd turn it into something intellectual, complex, challenging and ultimately very pretentious so his friends wouldn't make fun of him. Street cred is important. Why is that ok? Because he made a freaking masterpiece he did. And making fun of superheroes is cool...cause they're silly runs away
Twilight of the Superheroes. by Tito Trinidad	Mar 9th, 2007 03:36:02 PM
Wow, its funny that you guys are talking about this. I just discovered it 2 weeks ago. What struck me is that even though it was just a treatment, I found myself completely engrossed. Hell, I had already picked artists in my head. The artist from CW would have been great on this.
Moore's an ass if you ask me by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 03:43:19 PM
There I said it. I stick by it so....Flame ON motherfuckers! (With acknowledgement to the Turtle God who coined it). Direct quote regarding V, Watchmen & DC: "Right, I see, you've scammed me quite nicely." BULLSHIT Alan, just because you were too stoned to actually read your fucking contract automatically means you were hoodwinked? Nuh-ih don't think so jackass......
Exactly, Tito… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 03:43:28 PM
Same here. I could completely visualize it and was engrossed in it just from the treatment. I'd personally picture a Alex Ross, John Cassaday, Bryan Hitch or Ethan Van Sciver, but Steve McNiven would be interesting. I'd like to see him do any sort of DC work.
And you also love Promethea, Psy? by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 03:45:09 PM
confuzzled
And hey Heath by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 03:45:44 PM
I have no problem with incest, it's the inbred babies that yuck me out. (They never taste right with barbecue sauce!)
Goddamn you Gyllenhaal TB!! by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 03:46:31 PM
That bitch keeps outpacing us!
Also, just to post.. by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 03:48:59 PM
Anyone here _not_ like Marvel's house coloring style? It annoys me for some reason. I think the publisher's smug self-righteous self-importance drips down into it, actually.
You caught me Katie by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 03:51:49 PM
I ADORE Promethea (mainly because I never have to explain Kaballah & mysticism to anyone again. I can just go 'Wait, just read this. ALL of this.') Didn't say I had a problem with his work produced now, just don't care for him as a person because he has a penchant for crying foul, playing the victim, and painting anyone else involved as a villain.
What is with Alan Moore and incest? by rev_skarekroe	Mar 9th, 2007 03:51:54 PM
Twilight of the Superheroes, Smax, Lost Girls... Seriously, I really hope he's not boinking his daughters.
Uh-oh… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 03:52:38 PM
Psy just opened up a can of worms while ensuring us the top TB spot and that Vale gets no sleep for the next few days! Ha, ha. Vale and I went over this around the time V was released and I had the same thoughts that Psy does. Although I think Moore is brilliant, I do think he's a sucker for not having his shit straight not only for one thing, but multiple things he's written/created. It should only take being screwed once over to know that you better read the fine print and hire a lawyer for the next thing you work on, BUT I don't think he's an asshole. I used to, but that was before I heard what he sounded like. He really sounds like a sweet man with the best intentions. Sure, maybe a little gullible in regards to business, but not an ass in the least. I think there was a podcast or something on Fan Boy Radio (episode 349). Search for it and listen. It's worthwhile.
Psy… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 03:58:21 PM
try them incest babies with A-1. It helps them dry meat things go down easier. I still haven't finished LOST GIRLS because after seeing Michael and John stroke each other off while Peter Pan took advantage of Wendy… well, it freaked me the fuck out. A-1 did not help that time!
It is ON bitch! by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 04:01:43 PM
Alright...here we go.
Ho-lee sheeit Thalya! RE: MarvelColors by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 04:02:29 PM
I've not said anything becuase I thought it was just me! I swear to GOD I said that very same thing in my LCS a few weeks back!
Hot cha cha! by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 04:06:44 PM
Great minds think alike, Psy! And it's just too darn orange. And also: Final page of Civil War #2 that you've seen if you just peeked at articles on Newsarama, y'know, the one with Peter Parker, mask off, in front of the media? I think the pencils looks like crap. That's supposed to be a FACE?
Marvel's house coloring style? by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 04:06:55 PM
Please explain?
NO Vale! Just NO by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 04:08:01 PM
We will NOT fight over some filthy goddamn hippie. We just ain't goin' there.
H.. by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 04:08:42 PM
I think it has something to do with the gradients in the computer coloring process. It's too orange and it's too yuuucckk...
We're #2! We're #2! by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 04:10:23 PM
We're beating out Indy's son and Rachael Dawes! Who would've thunk a Fox News comedy show would be at the top of AICN articles?
Ohhh… by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 04:11:28 PM
ehh, that's basically just Frank D'Armata or whoever. Kind of unfair to call it a 'house style' when you have stellar work by Laura Martin, Jose Villarubia and others that do work under Marvel. Frank D did HoM, Uncanny X-Men, David Finch's stuff and other books that get a lot of press. I agree about his colors, but not really as a blanket statement. Vale and I got into the colors over HoM I believe. Where's Vale? He's writing his first chapter reply to Psy he is! ; )
Heath by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 04:12:46 PM
If your LCS will let you, take any 3 marvel books & any 3 DC books and open them up and lay them down side by side. I saw it most prominently in the skin tones. It's like Marvel's got a contract with the colors Red & Orange or something. I'm totally serial.
Really? by The Heathen	Mar 9th, 2007 04:15:34 PM
With every book? Hmm. I'll look closer then. I'm pretty sure that both publishers get printed at Quebecor, so I don't know why that would be. Even on people's stuff that isn't Frank D'Armata?
Well... by Thalya	Mar 9th, 2007 04:16:39 PM
"House style" as in, not everyone uses it, but what gets resorted to if there's nothing special about the coloring. But I'm looking at images from Cap #25 and it's there too (who colored it?). It just looks all plasticine and fugly. I thought Marvel was going for "realism"?
Then again by Psynapse	Mar 9th, 2007 04:19:22 PM
DC appears to be sucking Blue & Green's cocks. (Seriously go look at the DC books at your LCS, Either Blue or Green is THE prominent color on almost all of 'em).
Moore's the first to admit he was gullible by El Vale	Mar 9th, 2007 04:20:59 PM
That said, he was screwed in a way. With V, Watchmen etc the problem was quite simple: He (along with LLoyd and Gibbons) handed over ownership of the properties to DC and was promised as soon as the books went out of print, ownership would be returned to him and his artists. Bear in mind at the time, no comic had been in print for more than...whatever, 12 months or something. Absolutely no one expected the books would remain in print for 25 years, and that was where he/they got fucked. In fact, the contract still stands, as soon as V and Watchmen go out of print, he regains ownership of his work. Thing is, it's not going to happen anytime soon, sorry bud. Moore's stance on the subject? Take my name off it, i don't own it. DC would be happy to comply if having his name on the cover wasn't such a strong selling point. I mean really, Moore hasn't played the victim, he is the victim. The guy wants nothing to do with DC comics for the rest of his life and then, unbeknownst to him, Jim Lee sells Wildstorm to DC, including Moore's already signed ABC contract (and subcontracts). The guy purs his heart and soul into his League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comic, and then a couple assholes take him to court claiming said comic was only a smokescreen so Fox could steal ideas off their crappy Cast of Characters script. Wouldn't you be pissed? Thse days Moor

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