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firsties
by Colonel_Blimp
Mar 7th, 2007
07:15:23 AM
yippieeee! nice pics.
face pull
by Papa Lazaru
Mar 7th, 2007
07:15:48 AM
Ouch, that face pull business looks painful , cool , but painful
haden church
by Colonel_Blimp
Mar 7th, 2007
07:16:34 AM
looks perfect.
venom looks too "safe"
by quamb
Mar 7th, 2007
07:19:15 AM
hope the film version is more viscious - drool, big teeth, bulk etc.
whoaaaa
by damagedinc
Mar 7th, 2007
07:20:09 AM
even pre-CGI Venom looks awesome. I'm glad to be up early for once.
Haden Church must be pumped
by jimbojones123
Mar 7th, 2007
07:20:51 AM
UNT makes the tourney! Way to go Mean Green!
At least we know one
by emeraldboy
Mar 7th, 2007
07:21:57 AM
thing what what a merger between the alien from alien and human what look like and to that end despite what sigourney said about no more aliens. I cant think of a better director to make another alien movie then Raimi. or danny boyle. A spaceship is heading towards the sun but before that one of the crew went down to neighbouring planet. Crew gets picked off by a hungry acid splitting monster.
Glad I got to see them before Sony pulls the plug
by ATARI
Mar 7th, 2007
07:23:34 AM
Which they no doubt will...
This summer is gonna rock
by emeraldboy
Mar 7th, 2007
07:23:37 AM
cant wait...
Hey, where are all the "No Venom in SM3" guys?
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
07:24:55 AM
Taking a dirt nap?

If this movie doesn't have you by the balls yet, you're not paying attention.

uh oh...
by OptimusPrimesWilly
Mar 7th, 2007
07:25:17 AM
am i the only one who finds the images of Venom quite sexual....god damn my geeky side...
And 3,2,1...gone!
by Abin Sur
Mar 7th, 2007
07:25:27 AM
Oh, they're still here? That's odd...it's been 5 minutes already.
also...
by damagedinc
Mar 7th, 2007
07:26:05 AM
I think it's awesome to see a comic book movie get a little more "fantastic". Most of the comic book movies so far have shrunk the world that these people live in, leaving only a handful of "super" characters. Plus, any other-worldliness that these characters normally have are lost in more naturalistic readings of the source material. It's nice to see a superhero world a little more populated with actual heroes and villans.
Is that Topher Grace or a stand-in or what?
by rev_skarekroe
Mar 7th, 2007
07:26:20 AM
If it's Topher, when did he grow biceps?
for the first time... i'm actually excited to see this
by white owl
Mar 7th, 2007
07:26:24 AM
because those venom pics rock. i saved em all, so sony can be the bitches they wanna be now. i'm good.
the pre-CG set of images that are 4th down
by damagedinc
Mar 7th, 2007
07:31:46 AM
...look like the Venom in those fake Spiderman 3 trailers from a while back that used clips from Spawn.
I seriously want a belt buckle cast from the maquette
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
07:33:56 AM
"Yeah, I'm a comic book nerd - fuck you!"
I'm sure this has been asked before but..
by Stewie_Griffin
Mar 7th, 2007
07:53:03 AM
"before sony pulls the plug"??? Do they own this site? How the hell do they get to pull anything? Tell them to go fuck themselves! Cool pics though
WOW
by edwardnigma
Mar 7th, 2007
07:57:50 AM
Looks cool, cant wait to Topher Grace in action.
TOO VENOMY!!!
by gorydon
Mar 7th, 2007
07:58:07 AM
Hollywood raping my dreams yet again.
toby
by xenazhaan
Mar 7th, 2007
07:58:58 AM
looks bored as hell
AWESOME
by Steve Rogers
Mar 7th, 2007
07:59:39 AM
Can. Not. Wait.
Gorgeous
by Brendon
Mar 7th, 2007
07:59:41 AM
Well done
THIS YEAR'S LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE!!!
by Err
Mar 7th, 2007
08:01:11 AM
Concept art looks great. Real life Venom suit looks kinda crappy.
this reminds me of
by mr. brownstone
Mar 7th, 2007
08:05:57 AM
the aicn heyday circa 1998. sweet.
I wanna see Bruce Campbell
by CuervoJones
Mar 7th, 2007
08:13:40 AM
Spiderman´s real star
So glad to be here early
by Franklin T Marmoset
Mar 7th, 2007
08:18:04 AM
This is, indeed, some of the coolest stuff I've seen from Spidey 3. Sandman looks great, and Venom looks incredible, especially that shot of Grace in the practical outfit with the vines creeping up the back of his head.

I really can't wait to see this one.

Season 2, Ep 8 of Heroes much better.
by Diagnostic
Mar 7th, 2007
08:19:31 AM
Venom is more of a galactic force not a guy in spandex.
It looks too venomy.
This will be the worst summer ever.
I love this phrase 'Too Venomy'
by Franklin T Marmoset
Mar 7th, 2007
08:22:06 AM
I can't tell whether it's deliberate or not, but that is a funny catchphrase. Not up there with COSMPIC POWER, maybe, but good all the same. If only I could figure out a way to use it in my normal, non-AICN life.
"Hey, Frank, how's your coffee?"
by Franklin T Marmoset
Mar 7th, 2007
08:23:33 AM
"Too Venomy."

See, that just doesn't work.

"how are you today Frank?"
by just pillow talk
Mar 7th, 2007
08:31:40 AM
"Just venomy, and you?" Does that work for ya?

Pics look fantastic! I just can't wait for this movie.

Really nice stuff...
by Childe Roland
Mar 7th, 2007
08:32:31 AM
...here, and just what I needed to give my morning a nice "looking forward to something" jolt. Church looks perfect and, while I'm no fan of the Venom character at all, I have to say Grace looks kick-ass, as do the designs for the character. Can't wait for this thing to open.
"this reminds me of the aicn heyday circa 1998"
by chrth
Mar 7th, 2007
08:38:45 AM
What, you mean it's fanboy art and plain wrong rumors?
Beautiful pencil drawings
by Utamoh
Mar 7th, 2007
08:40:46 AM
Any idea who that concept artist is? Looks like "Crash" McCreary's pencil work, but I doubt it.
"Hey Frank, did you like my band's death metal song?"
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
08:47:53 AM
"Nah - too Venomy."
All you naysayers...
by biggles2_22
Mar 7th, 2007
08:49:25 AM
Yeah, Raimi's got a long history of crappy flicks, right? Jeez, you guys can all go take a flying f^$% into driveway full of broken glass! Rewatched EVIL DEAD II last night and you know what? It still rocks and Sam's still giving it up for you fan-boys in his current flicks. You assholes get more nods from Sam in one movie than a Dwight Schrute bobble-head. Give the guy a little love cause god knows he keeps giving it to you. Too Venomy indeed.
"That girl you dated in college Frank..."
by just pillow talk
Mar 7th, 2007
08:50:05 AM
"She was too venomy for you. You didn't need to deal with that shit."
"Do you listen to much Slayer, Frank?"
by Franklin T Marmoset
Mar 7th, 2007
08:55:40 AM
"Yes, but I find their early albums too Venomy."

I have been wracking my meagre brains (what else am I going to do - work?) and this is the best I can come up with. I don't know too many metalheads, though, so it's hard to know when this question might be asked.

Thanks for the tip, just pillow talk. I see where you're going, giving the word some new and flexible meaning, like 'shiny' in that Firefly malarkey, maybe. I'll give it a go, but if anyone looks at me funny I'm blaming you.

Looks Great!
by Gatack
Mar 7th, 2007
08:55:41 AM
Can't wait to see it! http://tinyurl.com/2lnv56
This film's Venomosity cannot be denied
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
08:56:06 AM
And the character looks quite Venomacious.
Jumped the shark by including Venom
by performingmonkey
Mar 7th, 2007
08:56:33 AM
OK, I know Venom's only in the last 2 minutes of the movie or whatever, but it's still jumping the shark having him in, especially with the goofie teeth like a Metroid Prime boss or something.
Doctor_Sin, you too venomy bastard!
by Franklin T Marmoset
Mar 7th, 2007
08:56:40 AM
You beat me to it!
"The defendant has been charged...
by gorydon
Mar 7th, 2007
08:58:28 AM
with three accounts of soliciting stolen goods and two accounts of breaking and entering. How does the defendant plead?" "Too venomy, your Honor."
"Life is a very venomy thing Frank..."
by just pillow talk
Mar 7th, 2007
08:59:02 AM
"just take it in stride."

Fair enough....I'm sure you won't get too many funny looks. I'm quite sure.

"Hey, Frank - would you like some curry?"
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
08:59:14 AM
"Oh no - way too Venomy."
Do you like your backwoods church, frank?
by Douche Baggins
Mar 7th, 2007
09:01:11 AM
"Yep, but them there snakes we's uh handlin' wuz too venomy!"
This talkback is getting way to Venomy...
by Franklin T Marmoset
Mar 7th, 2007
09:02:57 AM
which is a good thing, obviously.

As mah dear old daddy used to say: "Always remember, young Frank, it's better to be too Venomy than too silver!"

Sleeping with the venomy!
by gorydon
Mar 7th, 2007
09:03:54 AM
bitch
"Who Are You?" "The Venomy Within"
by Read and Shut Up
Mar 7th, 2007
09:04:51 AM
...behind venomy lines.
first Raimi gives us the EVIL DEAD and now VENOM
by future help
Mar 7th, 2007
09:06:44 AM
sweeeeeeeeeet.
Question to anyone...
by Err
Mar 7th, 2007
09:07:07 AM
If Sandman has sex with a woman, does he leave sand in her vagina?
SPIDER_FELLOW IS THE VENOMY OF KRRISH!
by Bronx Cheer
Mar 7th, 2007
09:08:01 AM
THE VENOMY OF MY VENOMY IS MY FRIEND, UNLESS HE IS SAM RAIMI, AND HE WILL KNOW TRUE FAILYUR WHEN THE INDIAN SPIDER-MAN UNLEASHES HIS COSMPIC POWERS AND DESTROYS ALL VENOMY WICKED CHARLATAINS. SPIDER-RAJ RULES!
why
by ZO
Mar 7th, 2007
09:08:48 AM
should this site care what sony does or doesnt do? i thought u didnt play the hollywood pr spin game?? or now that u sold out u do?
Aceist pics ever
by Reelheed
Mar 7th, 2007
09:13:17 AM
The leaping venom in the middle of the pencil sketches looks perfect. Hope they get the organic feel right!
Nice one, gorydon
by Franklin T Marmoset
Mar 7th, 2007
09:14:23 AM
"Too venomy, your Honor." Jesus Harold Christ, that's funny, and it will be stuck in my head forever. Should I ever be on trial for some reason, the temptation to say "Too venomy, your Honor" will be overwhelming. This being on trial is a serious business, I hear, and I'll be standing there in my best suit, stifling my giggles, a small amount of wee escaping into my shorts, and waiting for the chance to say it. I do not think the judge will be impressed.
Pictures look cool, but
by Gwai Lo
Mar 7th, 2007
09:17:28 AM
This kind of confirms what I have suspected all along, or atleast doesn't do anything to disprove it.. Brock will transform into Venom at the end of the movie in the belltower, and then the credits will probably roll.. Notice there is only really concept art for him transforming and lunging, which is what we see in the trailer. I don't mind this actually, I think they would be trying to fit too much in the movie if Pete was already getting rid of the suit half way through. Bring on Venom and Lizard in part IV.
Venom in the trailer leaked at comic con looked like...
by Err
Mar 7th, 2007
09:19:40 AM
a rip off from the Alien movies.
Wow
by Turd Furgeson
Mar 7th, 2007
09:20:23 AM
Those are great. That is some amazing art work!
Also when i minimise this window it reads
by Reelheed
Mar 7th, 2007
09:20:27 AM
Wanna see the best ass... well done aicn.
An impossible jawline, should be CGI
by thelivingdoll
Mar 7th, 2007
09:25:12 AM
No matter how hard you work, you simply can't get a human jaw to look anything like Venom's. Either rig a Stan Winston animatronic head on there ala Ninja Turtles, or CGI the bitch!
Gwai Lo
by biggles2_22
Mar 7th, 2007
09:32:38 AM
Nope, I think the Venom will get down with good spidey. I've seen pics (including the above) with Venom shooting black webbing.
CAPTAIN AMERICA IS KILLED???
by BilboRing
Mar 7th, 2007
09:33:34 AM
I read on CNN that Marvel has killed off Steve Rogers. This is not news here?
MARVEL FUCKS , CAPTAIN AMERICA CANT DIE
by iwontwin
Mar 7th, 2007
09:34:50 AM
I HATE THEM, kill off cyclops, kill off iron man, BUT CAPTAIN AMERICA... fuck that shit.
unfortunately these pictures have given me spoilers
by mutombo
Mar 7th, 2007
09:36:45 AM
I thought Spiderman was/would become Venom. But it seems like Topher, Son of Goblin is/will be. Oh well. Art looks great. Only thing I got from Spiderman was from the revised cartoons anyway.
bring him back, PUT THE WINGS BACK ON
by iwontwin
Mar 7th, 2007
09:38:08 AM
Erase all this civil war crap, put the wings back on his helmet, and make peter parker icognito again.
Check out this video link.......
by Blueballs333
Mar 7th, 2007
09:40:57 AM
http://films.thelot.com/films/ 30017
"Wha was the name of that psychotic children's book?
by SpikeTBB
Mar 7th, 2007
09:41:53 AM
"Venomy Sniktlet's Series of Unfortunate Brain Eating Parasite Aliens"
Just read that on CNN.com as well
by waylayer
Mar 7th, 2007
09:43:39 AM
Anything to create controversy, huh Marvel? How about coming up with creative and entertaining stories, without altering the fundamental stories and characterizations of well established and beloved characters? I stopped reading comics right before the infamous "Spider-Man clone saga," and I'm glad I did, as I probably would have thrown out all my old Spider-Man comics in disgust if I had seen that as it happened. Killing off characters is the laziest way to create buzz/interest and pretend that you're doing something daring, when in reality you're only showing everyone the creative vacuum that you are trapped in. Love live Cap. *friendswithbenefits.com*
After all Cap has been through! (spoiler from CNN)
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
09:45:49 AM
He gets popped by a SNIPER'S BULLET?!?! Fuck this shit!
WTF?!?! Kill of Wolverine. He's useless! Not Cap!
by Err
Mar 7th, 2007
09:46:55 AM
F this. Frickin Blasphemy
Marvel is a string of publicity stunts
by INWOsuxRED
Mar 7th, 2007
09:47:51 AM
instead of stories and characterization. Captain America will return, and lots of people will buy the NEW Captain America #1, and it will be wrapped in a plastic flag with 500 shiny variant covers. Marvel has run themselves into the ground and taken the comic industry with them.
This looks cool
by skycrapper
Mar 7th, 2007
09:49:16 AM
I'm impressed they didn't go all CGI with Venom. And killing Cap is really fucking stupid. They fuck up Spidey now this. For shame Marvel.
where's the SPOILER ALERT ????
by Se7en
Mar 7th, 2007
09:53:38 AM
DAMN !!! WISH I HAVEN'T SEEN THESE. Now I'll imagine how it's done when it's on scree, Never did read 'ART OF' books before seeing the movies of said books. Damn.
Marvel has long been too venomy for my tastes..
by just pillow talk
Mar 7th, 2007
09:54:48 AM
which is why I stopped reading them 15 yrs ago. Killing Cap just doesn't make any sense. Oh wait, let's launch the series yet again for the first time. You got that right INWOsuxRED...
Waylayer
by BilboRing
Mar 7th, 2007
09:55:10 AM
I stopped reading comics during the Clone Saga. That just sucked balls. I have to admit that Civil War 1 got my interest back into comics. I recently bought issues 500 to present of Amazing Spider-Man. Everything up until the Civil War thing was very good again. Overall I think Civil War sucked. Pointless. Now Cap is dead. Not good. Marvel has really sucked up things.
se7en
by kingoflight
Mar 7th, 2007
09:58:10 AM
Its in the fucking thead title jack ass, don't want to see spidy pic don't look. You know perfectly well what goes on this site stop being a little bitch
Hey Marvel, suck my balls
by imkindofabigdeal
Mar 7th, 2007
10:02:16 AM
First off, Sweet!!!!!!!! that the pictures are still up. Look totally great, can not wait for SM3. As far as Marvel killing Cap, FUCK MARVEL. This is horseshit. They better bring him back somehow, I don't care how. I want Cap back, still my greatest halloween costume . My mom made it when I was like 9, f'n greatest ever. F Marvel in their stupid ass.
As if Cap will stay dead
by Steve Rogers
Mar 7th, 2007
10:04:39 AM
Get a grip, fanboys.
The Red Skull
by SpikeTBB
Mar 7th, 2007
10:07:24 AM
The Red Skull will not allow Cap to stay dead. Cap died before and the Skull used the same technology and powers that brings him back to life to help him prevent Hitler from becoming omnipotent Besides, if ANYONE is going to kill Cap once and for ever it should be The Red Skull.
But outside of the comic book reality, from a praticul stand point this is just to boost sales. A character whose popularity has dipped gets killed to cause an outcry and people who have not though about Cap in years will suddenly demand his return and buy his books. We have seen it all before (Superman, The Green Arrow, The Green Lantern,The Blue Beetle, even Bucky is back.) Cap will be back and more popular than he has been in years due to this stunt.
It just surprises me they are pulling this NOW because the Captain America title is the best it has been in a long time. From what the CNN article said, it is obvious they are going to keep going to cover the reactions of his friends and foes to Cap's death. So you know that "Captain America will throw his might shield" again soon.
What is the deal with PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 3?
by George Costanza
Mar 7th, 2007
10:08:51 AM
It's coming out in a couple of months and we haven't see a single clip....what's going on?
re: Venom only in the end of the movie
by Gwai Lo
Mar 7th, 2007
10:09:34 AM
Maybe they will scrap it out for a few after Brock transforms into Venom, but the belltower scene has to be near the end of the movie.. They have already packed so much in, what with the marriage to Mary Jane, the black suit storyline, Gwen Stacy, the Sandman, the culmination of the Harry Osborne/Green Goblin plot and.. Venom? I'd love to see them fight it out at the end, if that is the case, but I also think it would be a waste of a decent character if Venom was dispatched so quickly at the end of the film and didn't return for a bulkier role in Part IV..
btw I have the PERFECT CASTING FOR CAP
by Gwai Lo
Mar 7th, 2007
10:11:42 AM
Peter Krause from Six Feet Under. That's who I'm going with. And somehow we need to get Klaus Kinski back from the dead to play the Red Skull. Actually, Ulrich Muhe from Lives of Others would be fantastic. There you go, Peter Krause as Captain America and Ulrich Muhe as the Red Skull. While we're at it I'll cast Thor, let's make Thor Jouko Ahola, Loki Bill Moseley, and Odin Stellan Skarsgard.
I hope all you complainers don't buy the shit
by INWOsuxRED
Mar 7th, 2007
10:13:02 AM
Don't buy the "death", and don't buy the relaunch. Don't encourage this shit. Don't let Marvel continue to shit on you and charge you for it. If you don't buy it...SOMEONE THAT SUCKS GETS FIRED. It really is that simple.
Venom sharing the spotlight?
by Lord Trebuchet
Mar 7th, 2007
10:25:32 AM
Screw that, he should be solo villain material, I don't care what anyone says.
CNN an the main stream media
by Lord Trebuchet
Mar 7th, 2007
10:29:10 AM
Really need to get down with the whole SPOILER concept, you know? Fuck those guys. I wasn't following the Civil War so I could read that shit crawiling on the bottom of the TV screen, while hearing an update on how putrid Anna Nicole's corpse was. Fuckers.
Venom-ber 23
by Primus
Mar 7th, 2007
10:29:49 AM
Sorry, that was awful. But I was enjoying the Venomy talkbalk so much...
im assuming that the 6th and 7th ones down...
by wolvenom
Mar 7th, 2007
10:31:12 AM
wont be what his jawline looks like on film. Thats pre cgi i suppose.if its the real deal then fuck this movie, but i dont think they're that dumb. It'll be more like the drawings after CGI... DONT FUCK WITH VENOM'S JAW!!! AND HIS TEETH MUST BE HUGE! AND HE MUST HAVE TENTACLES!!! Fuck this black webbing shit... I want to see tentacles too. He is after all an alien symbiote and nothing screams alien like GIANT FREAKIN TENTACLES!!! but as long as they dont fuck up his face and the fact that he's like a hundred times stronger than spidey so spidey has to outwit him ill be happy. And he has to talk as venom and say something cool like 'WE ARE VENOM!!!'
Sorry for all the typos
by SpikeTBB
Mar 7th, 2007
10:33:04 AM
That's the price of posting while at work and in a hurry and not spell checking.
cant wait for spideys first words when he sets eyes on
by wolvenom
Mar 7th, 2007
10:33:52 AM
FUCKING VENOM!! the first words spidey says has to be something 'HOLY SHIT I JUST FUCKING PISSED MYSELF!!'
or what would be funny in the spidey tradition is ...
by wolvenom
Mar 7th, 2007
10:34:41 AM
is a wise crack like 'oh my what big teeth you have'... throw back to little red riding hood
or 'do you kiss your mother with that tongue?'
by wolvenom
Mar 7th, 2007
10:35:13 AM
that would be cool too
Nice to see Venopm gets the white logo...
by aicmb
Mar 7th, 2007
10:35:27 AM
I was disappointed to see Spidey's black suit lacked the white wrap-around spider, but it looks as though Venom has it.
BRING ON CARNAGE!!!
by wolvenom
Mar 7th, 2007
10:37:28 AM
I want to see carnage now...... spiderman 4?
Carnage
by Lord Trebuchet
Mar 7th, 2007
10:40:25 AM
Was the worst piece of imagination, ever. "What's better than Spidey fighting one monstrous look alike? Spidey fighting TWO monstrouse look alikes!!!"
He better have the tongue in the movie...
by Fridge
Mar 7th, 2007
10:51:16 AM
...because that's what Venom does, tongue-y stuff.
Spidey has other villians to choose from than Carnage
by just pillow talk
Mar 7th, 2007
10:52:44 AM
Choose any of the sinister six (that aren't dead of course)...

Why ganymede, did a dog take a crap on a transformer now?

Good point INWOsuxRED
by SpikeTBB
Mar 7th, 2007
10:59:31 AM
I have been reading Captain America since before this stunt and Civil War. So it is not like i would be buying it because of this stupidity. But I am thinking i should drop the title till the death and relaunch "speical issues" are over so as not to encourage them.
I've heard that this is going to be Tobey Maguire's last time as Spider-Man. Has anyone else heard that or is it just net rumors?
Good point INWOsuxRED
by SpikeTBB
Mar 7th, 2007
11:00:17 AM
I have been reading Captain America since before this stunt and Civil War. So it is not like i would be buying it because of this stupidity. But I am thinking i should drop the title till the death and relaunch "special issues" are over so as not to encourage them.
I've heard that this is going to be Tobey Maguire's last time as Spider-Man. Has anyone else heard that or is it just net rumors?
Venoms face...
by davywankenobi
Mar 7th, 2007
11:13:47 AM
The worst thing Marvel ever did to Venom was let whoever put the frickin' toungue and dumb jagged tooth grin. Does anybody remember how subtle and wicked Venom was when you could only see Brock's creepy smile on what was otherwise a bulky Spider-man? Less is more, guys.
Two Drops of Pee Came Out!
by sfezfilms
Mar 7th, 2007
11:23:17 AM
Those images are so freaking sweet! Venom looks bad ass!
Venom looks great but I'm nervous...
by cekma
Mar 7th, 2007
11:23:19 AM
He looks very good I must say and he is my favorite character in the marvel universe. I'll get shit for that I'm sure but honestly I love this character. I really hope he doesn't get the shaft. I'm greatly for him to be in the film considering it could be the last but I honestly feel as though this film should have just set up Venom for spidey 4. Introduce brock and the suit and end the film with him turning into venom. And for the haters that don't think he's strong enough to be the solo villian then I say add another one and it would be fine. It just seems like to much is going on in spidey 3 as it is, and I want the character to be done justice, I don't brock to become venom fight for 10-15 mins die and that's that. I fear that is what will happen but again I'm grateful for him to be in the film considering it could be the last one. I hope they give him his own film nothing huge budget but like it or not he has a huge following and there are fans pumped just for him alone, and hell the producers of the film knew he had to be involved because the fans wanted him. A lower budget dark (think blade) marvel film of venom vs carnage a glorified action movie, would be great for the fans of the character.
the second pic down
by El Borak
Mar 7th, 2007
11:27:19 AM
with topher doing the thinker shows the white spider on the back... i think.
oh, and THAT'S BAD FUCKIN' ASS!
by El Borak
Mar 7th, 2007
11:31:36 AM
i love how there's different versions of him. and the teeth get bigger. sweet!!!!!
Hey Cekma
by sfezfilms
Mar 7th, 2007
11:38:01 AM
I can kind of relate to what you're saying. But your post was a little too venomy.
Venom will be like Doc Ock was-
by Novaman5000
Mar 7th, 2007
11:40:04 AM
Practical effects enhanced with CGI. I have faith in these guys.
It's no rumor...they are killing Captain America
by Mr Incredible
Mar 7th, 2007
11:42:03 AM
Good work, Quesada. Unmask Spider-Man, then put a bullet in Captain America. Meanwhile, on the isle of Fiji, Jim Shooter is laughing his ass off and John Byrne is asking "What about me"?
Venomy Mine
by SkiBum
Mar 7th, 2007
11:45:53 AM
F#%* your Micky Mouse!
I'm kind of glad Venom won't show up til the end.
by CrichtonAstronut
Mar 7th, 2007
11:47:08 AM
Provided of course that there is a Spider man 4. First I think that Peter Parker facing his own darkside being brought out by the black suite deserves it's own movie. Harry as the Green Goblin and Sand man (who in this version is apprently the person who murdered Uncle Ben) will be the perfect villains for Spiderman to face in that crisis. Wanting revenge against the Sandman will open him up to the suite's influence. And while hurting or killing his old friend Harry is a line normal Peter would never cross. The suiters influence will make him vicious enough and powerful enough to take both. Secondly. Venom deserves to be the solo villain in a Spider Man. He's just too bad ass to have to share screen time. And Raimi can find some approriate theme of helplessness or fear that Venom can symbolize for Peter. Also the Venom pics look badass. Sandman's pretty cool too.
why kill Captain america?... look what happened when
by wolvenom
Mar 7th, 2007
11:54:33 AM
they killed superman... and the aftermath there with all those shitty superman spin off characters (ie superboy, the last son of krypton, steel, cyborg superman,). Eventually they had to just bring superman back. ARE WE GOING TO GET SOME BULLSHIT CYBORG CAPTAIN AMERICA? FUCK THAT!
So what IS with the pulled face anyway?
by SithMenace
Mar 7th, 2007
11:55:40 AM
Does anyone know what's supposed to be happening to Brock in the movie that makes him look like that? I say a stroke.
I say an orgasm!
by wolvenom
Mar 7th, 2007
11:56:27 AM
hahahaha brock likes it rough
I just got off the phone with Joe Quesada...
by Immortal_Fish
Mar 7th, 2007
12:00:10 PM
He expects fan base reaction to Cap's death to be quite venomy.
Too Perfect To Be Awesome
by CarbonGhost
Mar 7th, 2007
12:02:59 PM
You can't please me.
The venomy of my venomy is my friend...
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
12:03:55 PM
...needs more tongue.
CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN!!!
by PwnedByStallone
Mar 7th, 2007
12:11:44 PM
Pull my finger.
GOD PEOPLE... SANDMAN DID NOT KILL BEN PARKER!
by Frijole
Mar 7th, 2007
12:19:33 PM
Despite what the trailers show. It's an obvious ploy. Someone is framing him (Harry, most likely) to get Pete's shackles up. I thought that was pretty much consensus on these TalkBacks (and everywhere else that geeks congregate)- but I keep seeing people pop up bitching about it. How's this: IF IN THE MOVIE IT IS REVEALED THAT SANDMAN REALLY DID KILL BEN PARKER, I WILL EAT MY OWN SHORTS! NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
WoW!!!
by joeyjojojrshabadoo
Mar 7th, 2007
12:25:11 PM
This movie is going to rock my socks off!!!
Peter Jackson for JLA!
by UltimaRex
Mar 7th, 2007
12:26:11 PM
SM3 looks awesome. Killing Cap is dumb. Later.
WOW! They are still up.
by ATARI
Mar 7th, 2007
12:27:46 PM
Someone at Sony must be falling down on the job.
to Frijole...
by mr ahole ramirez
Mar 7th, 2007
12:35:38 PM
If Sandman did kill the old man, could you tape yourself eatin your shorts? I mean, I think Ive come to the point where I actually wanna see someone eat shorts...damn u Bart...
Holy shit...
by Crimson King
Mar 7th, 2007
12:39:12 PM
That is fucking BADASS!!!
Captain America Is Dead!
by wizardmi
Mar 7th, 2007
12:39:29 PM
WTF? They killed off captain america? http://www.wizarduniverse.com/ conventions/la/003796419.cfm
If MYSTERIO isn't at the end of this one...
by cornponious
Mar 7th, 2007
12:42:03 PM
I'm never watching another Spider-Man flick. :-)
I think Raimi's taking a thematic approach to Venom.
by dr_buggerlugs
Mar 7th, 2007
01:03:24 PM
Rather than pulling some uneccesary cliffhanger bullshit - besides we've already had the main cliffhanger with Harry discovering the Goblin lair - Raimi seems to be using Venom sparingly...from what I can tell, 'Venom' doesn't come into play until act 3 and it seems like the actual character is meant to be the culmination of Peter's journey through the 3rd film (the black suit, pissing off Brock) so at the end, he faces his demons so to speak (in this case the thing that made him evil and someone I guess he fucked over when he was a bad seed). Smart way to use the character besides the Brock character is the whole film as is the symbiote/goo stuff so I'm guessing you have 'Venom' throughout the film...he just has really comes into play in act 3.
If Sandman really killed him then...
by cekma
Mar 7th, 2007
01:04:52 PM
It defeats the whole purpose of why Parker became Spiderman BASED OFF THE MOVIE'S LOGIC. He became Spiderman because of the guilt he felt for letting Uncle Ben's supposid killer and not taking reponsibility blah blah blah. Well if the guy didn't really kill Uncle Ben then the guilt has got to certainly be alot less for Peter, thus destroyng why he became Spiderman. This sounds like total bs but I hear Ben Kingsly has a suprise cameo as THE VULTURE. Great casting but does not sound viable to me
I just got off the phone with Frank.
by Rakafraker
Mar 7th, 2007
01:06:00 PM
He says I shoulda posted something Vemon-y earlier when it was funny.

I'm surprised it's still up. Then again, SM3 is only 3 months away.

BTW - Can someone find the article where THC (or was it KD again?)spilled the beans on the Uncle Ben thing? I wanna see Frijole eat his shorts.

Can someone please explain the Sony thing to me?
by TheBigDogg
Mar 7th, 2007
01:14:30 PM
So AICN post images that they know Sony will want removed. They go as far as saying so in the post. So they're knowing going against Sony's wishes. I can understand that - after all, getting scoops should be what the site is about. So then why pull them when Sony asks for it? They knew Sony wouldn't want them up and posted them anyway. Why bother respecting Sony's wishes and pull them? I can't imagine a lawsuit would be pending as, if that was a genuine threat, they wouldn't have posted them in the first place bragging that Sony won't want them doing it. Makes no sense to me.
Pictures are up at film ick
by Brendon
Mar 7th, 2007
01:17:48 PM
...any minute now
Dang, I missed em...
by CornNut007
Mar 7th, 2007
01:18:38 PM
Does anyone have another link?
The worst thing about killing Cap...
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
01:30:39 PM
...is that Marvel will not let him rest in peace and either cheapen his death with some contrived resurrection ala Jean Gray, or give the name and persona of Captain America to some "new improved" character ala Captain Marvel...they will not allow their copyright to expire. Marvel sadly has long become something far less than the fabled "Marble Comics" of my youth. What will they do with a "new Cap"? Will they make him a woman? An Arab-American Muslim? A gay dwarf in a whellchair? What lengths of "political correctness" will they stretch in doing this? They do not remember their own history - - those of us old enough to remember when Steve Rogers became disillusioned after the President's suicide (the Watergate scandal was a cover-up of the Secret Empire) and donned the black-clad garb of the Nomad, know what happens when others not worthy of the name pretend to the Living Legend of Captain America. This is just not good story-telling, but it will produce several new varients for action figure collectors. If Jack Kirby were still alive asses would be kicked!
Link to pics
by Brendon
Mar 7th, 2007
01:31:09 PM
http://snipurl.com/1cb4b
...The images were planted, Big Dogg.
by TheRealRatigan
Mar 7th, 2007
01:35:10 PM
...Moriarty knew it when he posted them. Sony leaks the shots themselves, knowing they'll get put up because they can't be seen anywhere else. They wait until they've been online long enough to create buzz that will feed hype for their own movie, and then send a formal 'cease and desist' to let all the fans know that what they saw was for real. Nothing new there...just standard guerilla marketing ever since Hollywood got smart enough to play along with the game and use the web like they do with the rest of the media. ...But do they think we don't know they're doing it?
Crazy...
by ElectricDreams
Mar 7th, 2007
01:36:02 PM
Well hopefully we all got a quick look and they'll be re-posted elsewhere in time, if not already.
Captain America's Not Dead
by Playhouse
Mar 7th, 2007
01:36:15 PM
This is just Marvel's ploy to hide him out as some other character like Ronin or someone so that he can do things without being burdened with the iconic image of Captain America.
BUSTED by Tha Man!!!!!
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
01:37:58 PM
Good thing I saved the Venom pics earlier. But, c'mon - why cave in to pressure? They threaten to sue? Yank visitation rights?
Behold Sony's COSMPIC POWERS!
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
01:40:58 PM
It had to be said.
More links
by idermanspay
Mar 7th, 2007
01:42:46 PM
http://snipurl.com/1cb5i
This Is Madness...!
by buster00
Mar 7th, 2007
01:44:29 PM
THIS...IS...SPARTA!
Because Sony intentionally leaked the photos as a tease
by Fabulous Freak
Mar 7th, 2007
01:44:58 PM
AICN handshakes with the studios on shit like this. Intriguing photos or clips are "leaked" to create buzz or counter negative roumors, then pulled shortly after so that the imagery isnt tired by the time the film is released.
TheRealRatigan
by TheBigDogg
Mar 7th, 2007
01:45:44 PM
Thanks for the explanation. That would seem to be the case. Tactics are all a bit too venomy for my liking but I guess we got to see some nice pics in the process of being their marketing department's bitches.
oops
by Fabulous Freak
Mar 7th, 2007
01:47:15 PM
sorry Ratigan, looks like I aped your post. Like minds...
When will Knowlesgate explode into the rag sheets?
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
01:48:48 PM
Headline: "Mori says, 'Fuck those TB bitches in their whiny asses.'"
Aaron Eckhart as Captain America!
by Datascream
Mar 7th, 2007
01:52:10 PM
you know it!
Sorry but Caps death is already cheapened beyond hope
by IndustryKiller!
Mar 7th, 2007
01:52:59 PM
Why? Because it happened during Civil War, the most money grubbing, poorly written, bastardization that comicbookdom has ever seen. There isnt a single aspect of the entire crossover that isn't tainted by the horrid editors at Marvel. To this day an argument doesn't exist to justify the behavior of any of the characters in this event. Making the whole thing worse is what a piss poor uninsightful Bush allegory the whole thing is. The fact that Cap died to promote this lemon event makes his death completely worthless and without resonance. Not only that but after all the plots, all the storylines, and the cliffhangers in his some 60 year history, he's taken out by a sniper while walking to court?? I hope they show a shot of Red Skull saying "Man I should have just done that like 50 years ago." They'll try to say some shit like "His death signifies the death of the old American Dream way of thinking. We live in a more cynical age and there isn't room in it for a guy like Captain America." Which might almost be true if the lead up to it corresponded with that in the least. Instead the Bush allegory belongs more to the actual editors and writers at Marvel who would sacrifice any sort of credibility they have to make a buck and leave their own "mark" on these characters, regardless of how they have to twist them to do it. Pathetic. I hope when they inevitably bring him back they pretend like all that bullshit didn't even happen.
Did they kill Captain America because they want to...
by anchorite
Mar 7th, 2007
01:53:08 PM
bring him back in a gloriously contrived resurrection series, or because they figure that crappy sales are an indication of people either hating America or at least not wanting to support it? What do you think the real reasoning is? I, for one, haven't been collecting comics for years, so I have no idea whether Cap has been worth reading or not.
But I can't help but imagine at least some of it...
by anchorite
Mar 7th, 2007
01:55:26 PM
has to do with PC anti-Americanism. But I readily admit I could be full of shite. It's just a gut feeling.
anchorite
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
01:55:45 PM
Jack Kirby said it best years ago "comics have become commercials for toys". They want to sell a bunch of new action figures of "New Cap" or "New Caps" or the "Classic Cap Revived" ad nauseam.
The venomy of my venomy is my friend...
by Romoehlio
Mar 7th, 2007
01:55:52 PM
classic!!
Romoehlio I did that joke at 12:03:55
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
01:57:36 PM
Sorry.
Nice try SONY but Bloggers will always win!
by Orionsangels
Mar 7th, 2007
02:03:31 PM
Hahaha!
Hasn't Raimi gone on record as saying he hated Venom
by zer0cool2k2
Mar 7th, 2007
02:07:12 PM
and just put him in the movie to throw a venomy bone to fanboys? That being the case, I can see Raimi throwing him in the last act, only to have Pete dispatch him rather quickly. There fanboys, you got your Venom on-screen wish and Raimi got the character out of his way.
the joke is like Cap
by just pillow talk
Mar 7th, 2007
02:08:16 PM
it can get resurrected periodically...
political correctness
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
02:08:48 PM
has been explored in Captain America before in those classic Steve Englehart stories I referenced earlier. But Cap soon realised that America *needed* Captain America and Steve Rogers was the only man to do the job. Kirby then resumed the title. I fear that this new storyline will not be handled with any of the elegance or mythic grandeur of those mid seventies tales...but will descend into something contrived to make money of of as you say "Anti-American" feelings. I was ranting before but I would not be a bit surprised to see Steve Rogers replaced by a Muslim Arab-American as Cap. That reflects a lot of the current thinking. I have no problem with Marvel creating an Arab Muslim superhero, but to make him Captain America? A lesbian Batwoman is fine with me but a lesbian Captain America? Create a new icon to reflect diversity, I accept that but don't destroy an existing one. Now, can you imagine what Stephen Colbert is going to make of this?
The venomy of my venomy is my friend...
by just pillow talk
Mar 7th, 2007
02:09:13 PM
two venomies doesn't make a right...
The pictures could still be seen...
by havocSchultz
Mar 7th, 2007
02:10:25 PM
in some strange new place called theZone...alledgedly...at least - rumor has it...
Just got off the phone with Steve Rogers
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
02:12:58 PM
He said, "Ow! That hurt like fuck!"
Did you know
by maxwell lord iv
Mar 7th, 2007
02:17:39 PM
The part of the trailer where spidey lands in front of the big US flag does not appear in the version currently showing in England. Bad for business, I think.
Aaron Eckhart WOULD be a great Cap...
by anchorite
Mar 7th, 2007
02:18:22 PM
I would just hate for Paramount to make the movie. It would be a bona fide disaster in their hands.
America doesn't deserve Captain America anymore...
by anchorite
Mar 7th, 2007
02:20:13 PM
We deserve someone far less courageous and principled. Perhaps he could be replaced by a different politician each issue. Yes, that's what we deserve.
Dick Cheney shot Capt. America
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
02:25:31 PM
Because he wouldn't help Halliburton defeat the Iraqis.
"Joel Gretsch for Captain America '08".
by TheRealRatigan
Mar 7th, 2007
02:29:03 PM
Gretsch stars in THE 4400, and was in TAKEN. He's Captain America. Aaron Eckhart's name keeps being waved here, but he's not right to me. His presence is wrong. Yes, he's an actor, a good one. He's tall. And he's got blonde hair. But he still doesn't look like Captain America.
Venomy is the new black........
by Kai_Mah'gra
Mar 7th, 2007
02:33:23 PM
......but.....venomy is black. Wait, now I'm confused. Whatever the case. Venomy should hold us until the next Transformers/Micheal Bay-related catchphrase. The Venomy within.....
how about Captain Bureaucracy?
by just pillow talk
Mar 7th, 2007
02:35:33 PM
or Captain Scandal? Or we can have Tony Blair, he's loved by his own country...
American principles and ideals are still sound...
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
02:36:30 PM
...even if our government fails to live up to them. Cap was never the embodiment of Washington DC politics, not FDR New Deal then, not Bush New World Order now. He represents the American Dream, the American Everyman, and yes the American Soldier. Steve Rogers is a timeless icon, a weakling who would have been considered useless in Hitler's Reich is given a secret formula designed by "Prof. Reinstein" a code-name derived from the most famous Scientist in the world who also happens to be a refugee German Jew. This transforms him into an Ubermensch equal to Himmler's wildest wet dreams...but without the ruthless, carniverous motivation that the Nazis ascribe to the paragon of the Herrenvolk. No, Steve Rogers is decent, egalitarian, hard working, idealistic, in short a bigger boy scout than Clark Kent! When the Germans attempted to counter him the result was a living Totenkopf, a grisly incarnation of death and madness. Cap is an Icon of everything that America should be, not of what it is. We *never* deserved him, but he fought for us regardless of that, without reservation. Whether or not we deserve him, we need him. Now more than ever.
Pictures Up Here
by grandpaseth
Mar 7th, 2007
02:37:41 PM
In case you missed them the first time. http://lbunion.com/blog/420
They just killed him to avoid having to make a Cap film
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
02:38:36 PM
Avi: "He's dead - now there will be no script!"
Damn you Michael Bay
by MCMLXXVI
Mar 7th, 2007
02:39:19 PM
Damn you Michael Bay
havocSchultz they can be seen everywhere
by Orionsangels
Mar 7th, 2007
02:40:41 PM
It just takes one site to post them. Then it spreads like a cancer through the Internet.
That sucks, but Marvel can't write Cap anyway.
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
02:45:49 PM
Long live Cap, long live the Gru.
Cap banged the Scarlett Witch, so he'll be back
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
02:47:42 PM
in about 2 secs like Hawkeye. Don't worry about it.
Cap is a great rep for baseball and football
by just pillow talk
Mar 7th, 2007
02:49:13 PM
all of 'em are juiced! I do agree though that he is needed to symbolize freedom and what it represents. There are no 'true' heroes anymore...all are shaded in gray now.
By the way, killing off the character is perfectly
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
02:49:59 PM
in line with the tone of Marvel Comics and their writing every character as the writer, not like the established characterization that existed prior to their annointed arrival.
he couldn't last as long as the vision...
by just pillow talk
Mar 7th, 2007
02:50:30 PM
rock hard ALL night long....
Orionsangels...
by havocSchultz
Mar 7th, 2007
02:50:49 PM
but these are just one simple click away...and, on a related note - new pictures of me and Cpt Kirk's 2pay can be seen everywhere...unfortuantely - nobody has requested that they be taken down yet...
Anchorite, Cap hasn't been worth reading for
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
02:52:32 PM
years. Not really since Gru left. A few good spots here and there but the title has become a collection of the writer's grievances against the government. The Ultimates Cap is also a major turd but everyone loved the hype created by that so the Marvel U began to look more like the Ultimate U to me.
Cap's Death: SPOILERS
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
02:53:22 PM
WARNING SPOILERS FOR ANYONE WHO PLANS TO ACTUALLY READ THE RAG IN WHICH STEVE ROGERS GETS SHOT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OK I have not read this thing and now I really don't plan to, but, I have heard from reliable sources that The Red Skull organised the shooting, using Doctor Faustus to mind-control the shooter: SHARON CARTER! This just adds insult to injury.
Cap's Death: SPOILERS
by Loosejerk
Mar 7th, 2007
02:55:48 PM
WARNING SPOILERS FOR ANYONE WHO PLANS TO ACTUALLY READ THE RAG IN WHICH STEVE ROGERS GETS SHOT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OK I have not read this thing and now I really don't plan to, but, I have heard from reliable sources that The Red Skull organised the shooting, using Doctor Faustus to mind-control the shooter: SHARON Dix! This just adds insult to injury.
IndustryKiller, I would aslo add that this just shows
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
02:56:40 PM
that most of these writers who claim to love these heroes actually hate them. They don't understand them, they belittle what they stand for, and in Cap's case they already killed him before all of this, you are right. They're a bunch of cynical black hearted t.v. writers with no imagination.
now which one of you...
by havocSchultz
Mar 7th, 2007
02:57:16 PM
two should I believe...?
That's a great idea- The new Captain America should be-
by samsquanch
Mar 7th, 2007
03:00:05 PM
Elected. That way you'll never get a black, gay, or immigrant Captain America, Forp! Yay! Everybody wins (except for black, gay, and immigrant Americans, that is)

Ok, ok, having a little too much fun. Personally, I would be really curious to hear someone at Marvel give an honest explanation for this. It seems... I don't know, a little weird. I always thought of Captain America as a bit of a joke, I liked the way some writers handled him, like in MARVELS, but most of the time I thought: Here's a symbol of America as a big blue-clad clown running through the streets of New York beating up drug-dealers, and oh yeah, he's a COMIC BOOK ARTIST in his secret identity. Seriously. I know we're not supposed to think "but in real life--" But, in real life, someone would just shoot him. He's not invulnerable, he doesn't have a spidey sense, he can't outrun a bullet. And where the shit was he on 9/11? And did he go to Iraq? Maybe the editors killed him to express some clandestine, disgraceful anti-American sentiment, and right now they're chuckling to themselves and reading Marx and trying to figure out some way to help Al Qaeda, but I think it's much more likely that as editors they probably found it more and more difficult to sell a character that seems less and less plausible. I don't think Marvel is too un-American for Captain America, I think maybe Captain America is too American for America. Right now, anyway. Does that make sense?

Cap WILL stay dead
by Rupee88
Mar 7th, 2007
03:08:48 PM
for a few months.
dstrbo1
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
03:11:19 PM
"I don't think Marvel is too un-American for Captain America, I think maybe Captain America is too American for America. Right now, anyway." Well, that seems to be Marvel's basic policy regarding the character as well. After 9/11, they started on this path with using the character to examine America and now Cap's dead. So there's the conclusion they've drawn.
I AM SICK!!!
by Motoko Kusanagi
Mar 7th, 2007
03:11:48 PM
SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF THIS "images removed" BULLSHIT!!!! GODFUCKINDAMMIT!!!

S-I-C-K!!!!

In total agreement superninja
by IndustryKiller!
Mar 7th, 2007
03:12:03 PM
Man you are becoming my best AICN friend. Bendis, Millar, etc. have really shown their disdain for these superheroes over the years. In fact I think the entire Ultimates line is a paen to that very fact. But thats fine, cause its the Ultimates line. In regular continuity these writers simply don't have a place. Bendis, as wonderful with dialogue as he is, doesn't know the first thing about superheroes. Millar, with his plugging in Hollywood actors as likenesses for his characters and constant inside jokes, is just out for himself. Trying to create the bigger bang wherever they will let him play. He's absolutely nothing when he isn't stirring the proverbial pot. He knows this so he decided to go big and use the entire Marvel U as his playground in hopes that someday people will actually mistake spectacle for quality. The only thing that amazes me about Civil War is that Quesada could find a bunch of writers selfish enough to happily go along with all this bullshit without a single one of them saying "Hey, maybe we should actually justify these characters actions." I'll say he does a wonderful job weeding out the hacks and putting them in charge.
I stopped reading comic books for that reason.
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
03:15:26 PM
Marvel first, which wasn't too difficult because almost all of the characters became so damn toxic, but then DC because they started copying what Marvel had done. The characters really no longer stand for anything worthwhile for the most part.
CAPTAIN AMERICA to become Marvel's new WONDER WOMAN.
by JDanielP
Mar 7th, 2007
03:17:36 PM
Gentlemen, meet the new Ms.Marvel.
I did not mean to imply that blacks,gays, immigrants...
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
03:19:20 PM
...were not worthy of Captain America. I am gay myself, and I was not born in this country. However, I feel strongly about the fact that to stay true to the myth...nobody is worthy of being Captain America except Steve Rogers. Remember the poor kid who tried and was crucified by the Red Skull? Captain America is a corporate owned commodity and his owners can do whatever they like to him. But he is also an iconic figure who represents more than a little bit of red and blue ink on newsprint. Those custodians of the legacy left by Simon and Kirby should have shown a little more respect for the vision of their creation, and less concearn for making the almighty buck. These characters will always sell...so long as you remain true to what they are all about. Killing off Cap is not remaining true. But as many have pointed out, that haven't been true to the character for a long time now. They won't leave it at this though, because if they don't have a character named Captain America in their publications for a certain amount of time they lose the copyright, then DC or somebody else will take it. this is why years after Mar-Vell's death and Carol Danvers power loss they kept bringing back new characters as "Captain Marvel" and "Ms. Marvel". They will resurrect Steve Rogers and make this whole storyline even more pointless, or create a New Captain America, just to prevent this from happening.
It's more fun watching CNN than reading a Marvel
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
03:19:23 PM
comic book these days. Good job, Quesada!
Onomaki, you are right. They will not make the
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
03:21:17 PM
kind of money they are looking for with this stunt. If they wrote the characters correctly, on the other hand, they wouldn't need these stunt events to begin with.
WAAAAH!!! I WANT CAP BACK
by knowledge1027
Mar 7th, 2007
03:21:41 PM
r.i.p my brother may your sheild fly high in the sky..p.s. bush sucks
Does Marvel own the rights to this character?
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
03:22:26 PM
What is the story with that anyway?
Nobody has said this yet...
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
03:23:58 PM
...so here goes. JOE QUESADA HAS RAPED MY CHILDHOOD!!!
Captain America's a symbol...
by zb.brox
Mar 7th, 2007
03:28:40 PM
Cap's a symbol of the hope, freedom, and liberty that drew people to America when it was a young country. America's not that young anymore, though. In the first half of the last century it became a superpower, in the second half of the last century it became a fallible superpower, and the first few years of the current century have begun to display the fact that no nation, corporation, or any other organization can maintain an attitude of hope, prosperity, invulnerability, and devotion to ideals forever. The world got too complicated for Captain America, and this world has gotten too complicated for the image of America as an invincible bastion of freedom and opportunity. I don't like Cap being dead, but it may be the most appropriate thing for the character today.
any talkback featuring superninja talking about comics
by INWOsuxRED
Mar 7th, 2007
03:38:46 PM
is a good talkback. I second the statements of IndustryKiller
topher would make a better carnage
by Gengar
Mar 7th, 2007
03:40:34 PM
i love it when skinny dorks beef up
Maybe all the Marvel characters should be shot
by mrfan
Mar 7th, 2007
03:43:14 PM
Put the poor bastards out of their misery. They deserve better than those idiots are giving them now.
Anyone actually read Brubaker's Cap?
by Grendel745
Mar 7th, 2007
03:48:32 PM
That and Daredevil are two of the most consitantly well written traditional comics on the market these days. If you haven't read a comic in the last few years then you are missing some real quality entertainment from the big two comic companies (yes there is a _lot_ of crap as well) in things like Fables, Daredevil, Checkmate, Justice Society and more. Much like movies and TV, fans will always be divided but to write off an entire venue of fandom simply because there was a ton of crap some years ago belittles the work of some very talented people. For me, Ed Brubaker has earned enough trust to see what he has in store for Cap, given that the comic continues to be solicited well into the summer months.
Maybe Captain America isn't REALLY dead...
by JDanielP
Mar 7th, 2007
03:48:58 PM
...and the government is doing a ROBOCOP/SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN type of *improvement* on America's hero. Heck, ...maybe even Tony Stark lends a hand behind the scenes. You have to admit, there is story potential for a comeback. And if they actually did it right, could it even compare to Batman's return in Frank Miller's "THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS"??? Well, ...that's an optimist's way of looking at it. And I'm no optimist.
yo Forp
by samsquanch
Mar 7th, 2007
03:53:22 PM
I was just playin' around, with that whole black, gay, immigrant thing. I understand your point- Steve Rogers represented something in WW2 that had more to do with the ideology and will that America stood for in direct contrast with Nazi tyranny, and these themes pre-date contemporary notions of identity politics and what's commonly known (and constantly misinterpreted) as "political correctness". I agree with you, that this foundation can be preserved, and in fact shouldn't be upgraded or facelifted to fit the times, in fact- the Big Ideas that Captain America stood for at his inception are just as relevant today (if not moreso) than the newer ones we're wrestling with as a society right now.

The real difficulty must lie with the writers, because the world, and America AREN'T as small or as simple as they once were, as concepts that can be so easily distilled as "red and blue ink on paper". Much of what America stood against in WW2 can now be found within itself, America has become so complicated that it is more than one thing at the same time now. I believe that everything that America stood for, everything that made Captain America more than just ink on paper is still here, but I also believe that there's something else at work, something that corrupts the idea of a Captain America at it's core, and renderd the icon inert at best, ridiculous at worst. I'm not saying the writers at Marvel should have killed him off, I'm just finding it pretty easy to understand why they chose that option. Maybe it was the wrong one, or maybe it was overdue. Who knows.

MARVEL run by a bunch of DC spies
by George Newman
Mar 7th, 2007
03:54:54 PM
Surely they can't be this stupid to disenfranchise all of their readers like this.
Sony has removed Motoko Kusanagi
by Orionsangels
Mar 7th, 2007
03:55:07 PM
OMG! What the hey y'all!
Loosejerk's mocking of me...
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
03:55:34 PM
...made me realise how dreary this thread is becoming...so to honor his bit of irreverence... http://snltranscripts.jt.org/9 9/99nbooks.phtml please fill in the gap.
"The Initiative" #1 = Cap is alive
by Jubba
Mar 7th, 2007
03:58:46 PM
spoiler---Ms. Marvel informs us that Cap is not dead "he's tucked away safe on the raft. no one knows. they're trying to save his life even as we speak." so there. go read it yourselves to confirm.
Ed Brubaker's work dragged on and Cap is just
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
04:05:36 PM
not that dark of a character. It was more James Bond than Cap.
...Cap sucks....
by mr ahole ramirez
Mar 7th, 2007
04:08:10 PM
Im sorry but I always hated Captain America (maybe because subconsciously I hate this country) and glad they killed him (even though I dont read comic books anymore either)....I understand he's a symbol for truth and justice and the American way (which none exist by the way) but he just sucks...hes a powerless Superman in my eyes, except not as gay...
The main problem is that we have two different
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
04:18:24 PM
worldviews in this country that interpret Captain America in two entirely different ways. Because there are different views of what is good and what is freedom. That is exactly why this character does not work anymore, or other characters like him.
I'd say there are many more than two, Superninja.
by samsquanch
Mar 7th, 2007
04:23:36 PM
but you're right, any more than one and the whole idea kind of falls apart.
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by HowlerCS
Mar 7th, 2007
04:25:10 PM
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Grendel745
by INWOsuxRED
Mar 7th, 2007
04:29:46 PM
Comics is a fairly expensive medium to waste money on in hopes that something turns out good. That is the primary reason it is easy to write off comics. It wastes money and takes up space. To have to do extensive research, or extensive product sampling to finally find something acceptable just isn't worth it. Most other mediums are fairly easy to learn about from commercials and reviews. TV costs nothing, doesn't require you to go out of your way to find someplace that stocks it, and you can even do something else while you watch it. If you start collecting comics, you realize eventually that they take up too much space and you'd rather have room in your life for something else. The problems with comics, especially Marvel start at the top and work down so even if you find a title that is clicking, it will be taken over once or twice a year by the latest x-over that removes characterization, fucks up continuity, and trades interesting storylines for publicity stunts and "THIS ISSUE SOMEONE DIES" splashed across the cover. Once those are over, if the team producing quality is even still around, they will be dealing with a character that was just CHANGED FOREVER, and is no longer the same book you used to like, or they will be dealing with a character that hasn't changed at all, which just goes to show what a farce the x-over was in the first place. If the character winds up getting a movie or some other outside-of-comics spin-off, it will result in the comic twisting the character into the version you saw in the film, rather than the film staying true to the character. The company will degrade the best they have to make a fast buck, and we all know the great story we were totally into won't get finished until a new editor or writer comes along and decides he doesn't like it and ends it quickly and without logic so he can show you what HIS version of the character is all about. Old comic fans have the good runs that we care about, and the new stuff just isn't important anymore.
Fair enough, dstrbo1. You know what I am talking
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
04:34:57 PM
about, though. Cap represents something very specific and I think it would be nigh impossible to write the character in a way that honors that unless you believed it to some degree.
I LOVE Cap America - but he jumped the shark
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
04:37:07 PM
Back with the Avengers when they thawed him out of a giant block of ice (!?!?) floating off of Manhattan. Bad, bad gimmick. Cap's place was WWII, battling Nazis (alone or with the Invaders), and oppressive Commie Red Scare type stuff. They could have let him age through Vietnam and into the post-Nixon 70s. Let him grow old during Reagan. Symbolic of the End of America. But no, they had to insta-freeze him in some hokey ice block I never bought as a kid as anything but ridiculous.
Well...Apparently Cap isn't actually dead...yet.
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
04:42:03 PM
They have a whole "Death of Captain America" mini-series to milk this out in, and it seems frank Castle picked up Cap's mask. The Punisher as Cap's replacement? Ugh. Also unoriginal...they did this before with John Walker.
Cap is on a goddamn RAFT?
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
04:45:47 PM
What the hell is this, a goddamn soap opera? Will he return with amnesia???
take it easy fan boys, marvel is pulling a DC
by hif4life
Mar 7th, 2007
04:47:50 PM
cap wont die and everyone will forget about spidy's unmasking, this is all a ploy from marvel to get some attention since DC has been kicking their ass lately, you'll see, the sentry will make the world spin backwards and makes everyone forget the civil war events
I don't know. That's like saying Superman jumped the
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
04:48:40 PM
shark. There is always a place for these characters - they're timeless to me.
Yeah, superheroes with modern morality
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
04:51:01 PM
sooo iconic. Not. It's like all of the stuff Alan Moore and Frank Miller were busy mocking before anyone realized it.
I'm also one of the few that HATED Infinite Crisis
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
04:57:34 PM
DC's Retcongasm that pretty much opened the floodgates for later comic writers to just do whatever the hell they wanted and reboot, revamp, and rework everyone under the sun. Half the people died, the remaining half either had new origins, selective amnesia, or just dis-a-fucking-peared into the void.

I could live my whole life without a comic book company trying to overexplain why some comic book published in the 40s has some narrative co-existence with a comic book published 40 years later.

Onomaki, If you're going to timestamp jokes
by Bronx Cheer
Mar 7th, 2007
05:04:52 PM
I did the "venomy is my friend" thing at 9:08:01 AM. But really, we should all bow down to gorydon for "TOO VENOMY." Like Mr. Marmoset, I still like COSMPIC POWER better, but a little venomy goes a long way.
I never really liked Captain America
by Wave Motion Gun
Mar 7th, 2007
05:07:49 PM
The character and the shield were cool but I always thought the name "Captain America" and the fact that he was basically wearing the American flag as a cotume was kinda lame. I mean, come on, he's got no powers but his "supreme patriotism" means he can go toe-to-toe with superpowered villains. That's just too much blatant propaganda for me to take him seriously.
Chris Chelios = Captain America
by JacknChucksLovechild
Mar 7th, 2007
05:10:35 PM
Getting old, but still alive. And with him being a renowned tits lover, spending many nights in Montreal's topless bars, I'm positive he wouldn't mind having nipples on his suit.
He does have superpowers. He's genetically enhanced.
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
05:11:38 PM
He's just not the most powerful.
Captain America as Propaganda
by Bronx Cheer
Mar 7th, 2007
05:13:10 PM
I could never take the whole rah-rah aspect of the character. I'm glad he's dead. Let him stay dead.
by the way
by hif4life
Mar 7th, 2007
05:13:42 PM
CNN was the one who broke the news about the cap's death, therefore spoilling the surprised for most of us who still need to catch up with marvel's civil war series. and cnn is own by time warner, just like DC. mmmm, conspiracy theories abound
He's got a really big shield.
by Bronx Cheer
Mar 7th, 2007
05:14:10 PM
He's a big dork. Sorry, but look at the guy!
CNN isn't news anymore, no more than Fox News.
by Bronx Cheer
Mar 7th, 2007
05:15:59 PM
It's all propaganda, gossip, rumors, and nonsense. I get my news from AICN Talkbacks. Tale that, Jon Stewart!
Superninja - You mean the Super Soldier Serum?
by Wave Motion Gun
Mar 7th, 2007
05:17:43 PM
THat only made him 'the same as any other male for his size and weight that engages in regular intensive exercise'. At least that's what I remember reading in my trusty Who's Who of the Marvel Universe...of course that was like 10 years ago. And last thing I remember when I read comics was Cap giving up the serum (having it flushed from his body of something) because he thought that relying on the serum sent the wrong message to kids (like he was a living example of the benefits of steroids or some shit like that).
Yes, CNN is a tabloid rag at this point
by Rupee88
Mar 7th, 2007
05:17:57 PM
I agree and I rarely check their site anymore.
Damn...and I thought I was being venomy fresh...
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
05:18:17 PM
...credit for joke to Bronx Cheer.
AICN NEWS
by Bronx Cheer
Mar 7th, 2007
05:19:36 PM
Here, I'll show you...quick, the next five who want, tell me what the weather's like in your town?
It would venomy for me to want credit
by Bronx Cheer
Mar 7th, 2007
05:21:42 PM
I was only channeling the genius of previous posters, as were you. You see, here at AICN, there is a hive consciousness, a collective mind if you will, and we are all controlled by that diabolical mastermind Harry Knowles! Even when we think we are being contrary, we're doing his bidding.
Partly Sunny, 75 degrees F
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
05:22:13 PM
AICN NEWS
by Bronx Cheer
Mar 7th, 2007
05:22:30 PM
News you can trust.
captain americ rules
by hif4life
Mar 7th, 2007
05:22:43 PM
screw all of you that dont get waht the cap is really about.. liberals pissed me sometimes
I'm going to get me a pint of ...
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
05:23:36 PM
...Ben and Jerry's Stephen Colbert's American Dream and curl up in front of the Colbert Report tonight to hear him put Marvel Comics on notice...maybe they'll even be dead to him. Quesada is probably a slavering godless killing machine of a Bear dressed up to look like a publisher.
Here in B'klyn it's 21 degrees F following snow earlier
by Bronx Cheer
Mar 7th, 2007
05:23:59 PM
Clear skies
Colbert Report: Today's Word -
by Bronx Cheer
Mar 7th, 2007
05:24:52 PM
Venomy
Let me guess what Cap is really about...
by Wave Motion Gun
Mar 7th, 2007
05:25:53 PM
Cap is really about telling anyone who disagrees with his view that they are a liberal and they can go screw themself?
I wonder if Osama bin Laden will release a new video
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
05:26:14 PM
Exploiting the killing of Captain America as the work of a sleeper cell?
Bronx Cheer...hoisting me on my own petard
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
05:27:50 PM
I was the one who promoted the whole "collective" idea back during the repligin' in all, blowing poor Deus Vult's mind with the notion that every other talkbacker except him WAS Harry. Got banned shortly after that...
Cap has increased stamina, reflexes and muscle mass
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
05:28:53 PM
as a result of the Super Soldier Serum. Come on, dude.
Nah, Wave Motion Gun, that's Ultimate Cap.
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
05:30:13 PM
He likes to kick your teeth in and call you names.
Please don't let there be a video of the assassination
by Bronx Cheer
Mar 7th, 2007
05:30:25 PM

with jihadists dancing around his body, burned and dragged through the streets of Baghdad, cuz that's where he would have been, right, as he was a soldier and America is always right, and he would have been 100 percent behind the war ion Iraq...blah blah blah. I never should have gone there.

But hey, how about that Venom?!

Wave Motion Gun
by hif4life
Mar 7th, 2007
05:31:07 PM
wrong, are you actually reading the civil war saga? or just giving your opinion of what you think he is?
Captain America WAS there for 9/11
by W3bzpinn3r
Mar 7th, 2007
05:31:09 PM
Marvel was the first comic book company to have the cojones to accept 9/11 into it's continuity, in a breathtaking tribute to the men and women of the rescue teams.

It was an issue of Amazing Spider-man (Vol 2 #36 "Black Issue"). Captain America, Thing, Wolverine, Spider-man, etc were on hand helping the firefighters save lives. Even Doctor Doom and Magneto stood in the crowd and looked on with tears of sorrow and rage at what the terrorists did.

Many comic book fans hated the issue, but I thought it was beautifully done and completely respectful of all the innocent lives that suffered and were lost because of some political/religious zealots' hate.

It's been a while since I read comics
by Wave Motion Gun
Mar 7th, 2007
05:33:43 PM
I guess that's why I got them mixed up
Why Cap is not a dork, by superninja.
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
05:35:35 PM
Cap always does the right thing, regardless of the degree of difficulty or the personal sacrifice. Cap never complains or gives up. Cap is fairminded. Cap gives people second chances, but holds them to high standards. Cap believes in justice and personal responsibility, but not revenge.
Now Marvel's making a statement...
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
05:36:13 PM
...that Ms. Marvel's comments in the Initiative "may not have been what they seem on the surface" and that "Yes, Steve Rogers is dead".
I would've loved Spidey 9-11, except for the villains
by Doctor_Sin
Mar 7th, 2007
05:36:20 PM
That just seemed a ridiculous conceit. If they had just been left out, it would have sold me.
Hi4Life
by Wave Motion Gun
Mar 7th, 2007
05:37:27 PM
Haven't read comics in about ten years. Use to collect heaps of them, but got sick of every second comic being a "collectors item" or "limited edition", printed with 4 variant covers (gotta collect them all!) with advertisements on every third page, and costing me $10. Got no idea what Cap's been up to in the past decade, but I imagine it hasn't changed all that much...
captain america represnts what americans want to be
by hif4life
Mar 7th, 2007
05:39:06 PM
he never caved in, fought for what was right, and told the government to f*** off when they were wrong
Superninja
by Wave Motion Gun
Mar 7th, 2007
05:40:04 PM
Yeah that's all cool and stuff - like I said I never minded the character - but he wears the stars and stripes as a costume. So basically, he's wearing the same kind of thing that Apollo Creed wears when he's about to fight Ivan Drago.
Why I was wrong to call Cap a dork, by Bronx Cheer
by Bronx Cheer
Mar 7th, 2007
05:40:29 PM

I have not read a Captain America comic book since 1976. I have never met him, and should not make any assumptions about the quality of his character. I also should be speaking ill of the dead, or soon to be dead. I should thank him for his service to our country.

Cap, can you forgive me?

A fellow citizen, Bronx Cheer

Wave Motion Gun, Cap is basically the American
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
05:40:54 PM
Übermensch so while he is still human, he is a genetically engineered human at peak performance all the time.
superninja I envy your umlauts...
by Onomaki Forp
Mar 7th, 2007
05:43:35 PM
...as I have none on my keyboard I was forced to write Ubermensch without them.
So long as Cap defends the Constitution and avoids
by Bronx Cheer
Mar 7th, 2007
05:43:55 PM
petty politics, I'm behind him all the way. Especially cuz he's got that big shield.
The 9-11 stuff pissed me off because the
by superninja
Mar 7th, 2007
05:43:57 PM
superheroes clearly didn't do their jobs now - did they? It