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Elston Gunn Interviews Director Kevin Booth Of AMERICAN DRUG WAR: THE LAST WHITE HOPE!!

FIRST!!! by Sorrycool	Mar 5th, 2007 02:23:42 PM
i just wanted to do that.....
SECOND!!! by Sorrycool	Mar 5th, 2007 02:24:03 PM
and that.....
THIRD!! by Sorrycool	Mar 5th, 2007 02:24:28 PM
i should really read this topic....
FOURTH by Sorrycool	Mar 5th, 2007 02:24:58 PM
alright....im bored now
Legalize prostitution and drugs, tax the fuck outta 'em by Doctor_Sin	Mar 5th, 2007 02:45:01 PM
And hire more cops to lay a beat down on little thuggish wastrels who play out their "We Gangsta" act. Regulate everything. Everyone gets laid and wasted, gangbangers get arrested for stealing cheeseburgers because there ain't no drug-related crimes, and we need stiffer penalties for pieces of shit like pedophiles and rapists. Kill more people to make more room in the prisons for the trigger-pulling fucks. I wake up the next morning and - surprise! - none of it effects my life (except taxes, but that's a whole different documentary).
THE DORECTOR GOTTA EAT by Pound Sand	Mar 5th, 2007 02:48:00 PM

Just got off the phone with the DEA by Doctor_Sin	Mar 5th, 2007 02:51:04 PM
Ron Jeremy wants them to give his blow back to him.
Profit? by gboybama	Mar 5th, 2007 02:52:53 PM
Didn't know there was such profit in subjugating ghettos and running prisons. I'm obviously in the wrong line of work.
It's the whole "Don't hate the playa, hate the game" by Doctor_Sin	Mar 5th, 2007 03:05:57 PM
mentality. I hate that. Yeah, those poor, oppressed, gun-wielding, remorseless, "urban jungle" kids who just play the cards they're dealt. Way to deal with the problem. sigh
Jesus is against whatever is currently illegal by Baron Karza	Mar 5th, 2007 03:12:05 PM
Jesus was not against Morphine & Cocaine in the 1920's. He is now. He was not against 18yr old age of consent in the 1940's. He is now. See how it works?
Volume, gboy. The secret to realizing profits... by Childe Roland	Mar 5th, 2007 03:12:51 PM
...from the relatively minor and mundane misfortunes or sufferings of others is to ensure that those things occur in extremely high volume. So, no, you probably are in exactly the right business for you and you're doing your part to help those in a position to benefit from the way things are to do just that. That said, this documentarian kind of blew his credibility for me with the "gangbangers are just playing the cards they were dealt" thing.
Heroin is just like a plant by mr.underwater	Mar 5th, 2007 03:14:06 PM
Man It comes from the ground Great some stoner made another conspiracy movie. This will be the one. Expect weed to be legal next year as this is going to be the one that changes everyone's mind
Violent drug gangs are so misunderstood. by Ironmuskrat	Mar 5th, 2007 03:26:47 PM
Why can't the people these gangs are terrorizing just look pass their murderous intent and realize they are just poor people just trying to make a living like everyone else. They just need a big hug and a job at Burger King. I am sure they will straighten out and fly right.
Just release The Wire theatrically. by Cameron1	Mar 5th, 2007 03:41:57 PM
I'll guarantee it's whole lot more credible and intelligent look at the drug war from all perspectives.
Wow. by jimmy_009	Mar 5th, 2007 03:55:52 PM
Who knew the government is actually selling drugs to everyone. This guy's amazing. What a douche bag.
Now I got a clue by gboybama	Mar 5th, 2007 04:06:13 PM
I just need to get my cronies at Haliburton to institute the "one strike and you're out / zero tolerance" rule for casual drug offenders and I will be able to limitlessly enrich myself. Damn. Life is sweet!
Smoking Mary-gee-wanna leads to.. by glodene	Mar 5th, 2007 04:10:54 PM
communism...That's why i drank Captain Morgan & Coke becuz that be my happy drank.
Yeah, I don't agree with.. by shitstorm23	Mar 5th, 2007 04:47:30 PM
"Gangbangers are misunderstood" stance. That just seems a little silly. But, if you don't think the CIA is behind crack, then you are just choosing to refuse simple logic. Let's see, there's this billion dollar/year industry and our noble government, who could care less about money, is not in on it. Yeah, right. Make a gang of money bringing the drugs into the country, then make just as much in the amount of tax dollars required to fight it. Why wouldn't they want to do this?? Math doesn't lie. But our govt has nothing to do with it, and the CIA/FBI had nothing to do with the MURDER of Fred Hampton. They had nothing to do with creating a rift in the Black Panthers which formed the Crips/Bloods. This isn't a Rep/Dem issue, it's a poor/rich issue. Which, is the biggest problem facing our country today. 80-90% wealth being held by 10% of the populace, but it's all good, because that 10% runs the country.
the crack vs. cocaine jail time disparity by BadMrWonka	Mar 5th, 2007 06:11:48 PM
under Reagan is one of the most patently racist things the government has done sine jim crow laws.
I love my pot and want it legal, but... by ScienceMan	Mar 5th, 2007 06:50:27 PM
I grow very tired of hearing the argument that pot is not harmful because it is "natural" and is somehow more ideal just by the very fact that it is not synthetically produced. This is nonsense. Arsenic also occurs naturally. So does molten lava. Uranium ore, lead, mercury, and Ebola are all naturally occuring substances, just like pot, but I don't want to ingest them. There are plenty of plants on this world that will kill you dead if you look at them cross-eyed, because the lord of all creation (Zeus, son of Kronos) is a tricky bastard who doesn't give a fuck about your personal safety, but is a big fan of physical comedy. Furthermore, as I type this while smoking my blessed "medical" marijuana (thank Zeus for california's wacky and self-contradictory drug laws), the pot I am smoking, like most good pot is these days, a highly modified strain, much more specifically selected for its recreational effects on the human body, than would ever be found in a "naturally" occurring wild marijuana plant strain. In other words, left to its own devices, plant evolution would not select for the killer green bud that gets you high these days - for that, we have the direct intervention of humans with a passing understanding of plant physiology and a great desire to breed a stronger bud, to thank.
Gangs and terrorists are misunderstood by rudager	Mar 5th, 2007 07:14:02 PM
Gangs and terrorists are misunderstood and obviously the way our government has chosen to deal with both of them is not working. Most of the earlier posters on this board are probably not aware that bloods co-founder t. Rodgers (www.trodgers.com) heads up a very successful organization that deals with the gang problem. Perhaps I over simplified the remark about gangs or maybe I was trying to be funny? But the media does cash in on sensationalizing gang violence in a way that only makes more kids want to join. KB
I am buying this when it's on DVD. by hst666	Mar 5th, 2007 08:32:13 PM
The fact that pot is illegal is insane compared to some of the drugs the FDA has approved let alone alcohol and cigarettes. And unless you live in a cave, how could you not know that the CIA has been involved in the international drug trade for years.
I'll download this illegally when it's released by Doctor_Sin	Mar 5th, 2007 08:57:38 PM
Power to the People!
Man, I'm so high right now, on medicinal marijuana. by The Dum Guy	Mar 5th, 2007 09:03:26 PM
Not really, but I have some good old beer to knock me out. It's nice to know that I can buy something to innebriate me, and potentially cause me toxic shock from prolonged use, marijuana's for people that can't take risk.
Nonsense, all nonsense by PhillipMarlowe	Mar 5th, 2007 09:03:47 PM
Yes, it's big business and the government's fault that people are drug and alcohol addicts. God forbid we actually hold someone personally responsible for their actions...as in snorting a little blow, or doing a little heroin, or bustin' a cap in whitie's ass...FUCK YOU KEVIN BOOTH
WIll Gore jump on this? "An Inconvenient Stash" by Doctor_Sin	Mar 5th, 2007 09:07:35 PM
"Dude. Pot is so natural, it rebuilds the Ozone."
Gangstas just need HUGS! Hug one today! by Doctor_Sin	Mar 5th, 2007 09:11:27 PM
This guy needs to see some of those prison documentaries where they show the black gangs knifing the Mexicans, the Mexicans knifing the Asians, the Whites beating the blacks, and all of them dealing drugs and running their crime "empires" from inside prison because their hos, hoodrats, and skanks smuggle in illegal shit. Yeah, someone shoot the dealer who's handing out those cards.
This guy rules. by Daddylonghead	Mar 5th, 2007 09:20:31 PM
He had me at "fueled by hatred for a government that has long sold out to corporations", but the rest of the interview was excellent as well. Talk about fighting the good fight! Here's hoping this Doco gets some more attention....
It's not difficult to figure out........ by Jimmy Jazz	Mar 5th, 2007 10:03:49 PM
If you want to get rid of the gangs (or at least minimize the damage they cause) you have to get rid of their guns. Not in some Big Brother style criminalization of firearms, but by getting rid of their source of revenue, which is the illegal narcotics trade. If you decriminalize narcotics, you shift the supply elsewhere and the gangs have lost their profit source. No profits means no money for gangbangers to buy all those shiny new guns and the homies will have to go back to knives and sticks. Gun dealers, illegal or not, do not give away their product for free. It's supply and demand economics, people. Of course that also means that the national "Drug enforcement" and prison industries will have to largely shut down. ANd that is not going to happen. There are too many governmental entities (local, state and national) are making too much money. It's a self perpetuating money making machine.
if farenheit 911 didnt do nothin... by mr ahole ramirez	Mar 5th, 2007 10:03:53 PM
then I dont see this doin anythin either...which is sad and makes me even more angry bout the world we are livin in...when can this is damn revolution start? I already got my nail gun ready...
I hope "Ole Gravy Leg" dies painfully, and soon. by Seph_J	Mar 5th, 2007 10:32:02 PM
I hope "Ole Gravy Leg" dies painfully, and soon.
Not Quite, Jimmy Jazz by PhillipMarlowe	Mar 5th, 2007 10:41:52 PM
While decriminalizing narcotics would cause a drastic drop in the prison population, it's not not going to happen because of the "drug enforcement" or "prison industry"...whatever that even means. Prisons are incredibly overcrowed, especially in states like California and Texas, and underfunded. Where do they get their money? From the government. Where does it get it's money? From the taxpayers. You think gov't salaries are decent? Then you are an idiot. It's not a money making machine. It's a money-losing machine. Until the American public decides to decriminalize drugs, the prison system will continue to be overcrowded and underfunded...but it's not because of greedy Warden Bob over at Sing Sing, it's because Average American Joe thinks people that smoke dope should go to jail...which is just plain expensive. Stop blaming Uncle Sam and change your citizen's attitude toward drugs...otherwise, shut the hell up.
edgrffkq by Hervoyel	Mar 5th, 2007 10:50:53 PM
Sorry but I didn't bother reading past the "mom dying of liver damage after a lifetime of hard drinking" line. Know what? If you spend your entire life drinking heavily and kill your liver that's your fucking fault. If you spend your entire life smoking and turn your lungs into cancerous charcoal then that's your fault. If you spend all day wolfing down Big Macs and turn into fat tub of shit then that's your fault. The people close to you are dead not because these horrible evil companies killed them. They're dead because they're fucking stupid.
You have a point Marlowe..... by Jimmy Jazz	Mar 5th, 2007 11:04:19 PM
insofar as changing people perceptions instead of waiting on your local Senator Fatass to do anything about it. But you are mistaken insofar as governmental and private entities treating this as a moneymaking venture. I live in California and used to be employed in a small county SHerriff's depratment. As long as I worked at the department, funding was based solely on the quota of narcotics busts we made. For a while in the mid 90's, the sherriff at the time became so adept at playing the funding system that we were running a profit far beyond the size and need of this particular rural mountain county. THe money was there, you just had to get creative and convince the State and Fed moneymen that you were swamped with Narcotics traffic (which we weren't) and that we were baaaad Eliot Ness types who were kicking ass and taking names (which we weren't). It was a sweet ride, if you have very little scruples. I got a bellyful and quit. It made me a born again evangelist for decriminalization. Furthermore, management of many state and federal prisons in the state are being turned over to private FOR PROFIT corporations. SOMEBODY must be making a bundle, or they wouldn't be in the business. It is an industry and the products are convicts and profits for these companies and governmental officials.
And if you want to get rid of gangs the answer is easy by Hervoyel	Mar 5th, 2007 11:04:56 PM
You kill them. You identify their members, coordinate your forces, and at a preset time you drag each and every one of them out into their front yard and while their mothers cry to sweet baby Jesus and beg for their lives (all the while swearing that their "baby" is a good boy) you put a bullet in the back of their heads. Then you leave them there on their front lawn. The next day after you've killed a few thousand of these turds you go on television and inform the nation that membership in any of these gangs is cause for summary execution and that anyone wanting to come forward and renounce their gang might not be killed in the next round. Then a week or so later you do it all over again.
I can't find the drugs I want to use. by gusradio	Mar 5th, 2007 11:26:15 PM
Because the kids these days love the powders and don't give a damn about the psycho-dellics. Too busy playing World of Warcraft for conciousnes expansion with liquid blotter. far too caught up following the exploits of Jack Bower to have ever even heard of DMT way to worried about 1080p resolution DVD's to be interested in peyote. demand fuels supply so I'll watch this documentary get pissed at Bush (again) and complain that theres a possibility that what we preceive it is only a fraction of the reality surrounding us. also i had fun when i was a teenager. my own way, loose and twisted. now i hang with the nerds/geeks becuase the drug scene is lame nowadays. One other thing. not to stand up for any gang member EVER but having the ability to be compasionate and possibly attemting to see the world through someone elses eyes (ecspecially someone who's life is far harder and complicated than yours) would be a real virtue.
I love my psychoactive drugs by Ryb0	Mar 6th, 2007 02:26:48 AM
I eat shrooms twice a year. Its a great release. You can't find good doses and don't really know what you're eating so I don't do it. There is a good BBC Documentary/Mockumentary called If Drugs Where Legal, you can watch in on Google. It raises some interesting topics and is good fuel for debate.
Dang! Hervoyel by glodene	Mar 6th, 2007 05:31:02 AM
Don't y'all thank dat be a tad bit draconian? Awww who am i kiddin' Kill all dem drive-by shootin' bastards...And why deys at it, outlaw teen pregnantcy and tie da' tubes of deys mamas so dey can't pollute society with anymo' of deys' monkey-spawn.
Hervoyel by Lost Prophet	Mar 6th, 2007 08:15:09 AM
you must be joking. Either that or you are a deluded fascist. That is the most right wing thing I have read in ages. Firstly, Things that are bad for you are fun. I like drinking and smoking. I couldn't give a fuck about big mac's but would rather live in a world where people can do whatever to themselves than your anaesthetised salad crunching hell. Secondly, your second post just makes you a fascist.
MMmmmmm. Gangaaaaaaaa by Teamwak	Mar 6th, 2007 08:59:28 AM
Drugs are bad, m'kay?
It's got nothing to do with being racist by Doctor_Sin	Mar 6th, 2007 09:33:05 AM
One of the most violent and dangerous groups is the Aryan Brotherhood. They should be summarily executed on sight just like any Crip or whatever the fuck gangs the Asians and Mexicans have cooked up nowadays. The worst thing about these fucking lowlifes is that they act like it's some fucking badge of honor to be a thug or a hoodlum, but then they turn and rat out everyone they can think of because they've watched so much TV, they all know how to cook deals and get lighter sentences. They're scum because their drugs and violence effects so many people around them. And, yeah, I do have a problem with the lazy acceptance of Irish and Italian gangland. It's been popularized to the point that you can't walk two steps in some barrio store without seeing some fucking "Scarface" tapestry or poster or printed mirror or some shit - like Tony Montana is someone to idolize. And, yeah, you racist fucker Old Dirty Movie Bastard, I know because the grocery store I go to is on The East Side and fucking Scarface shit is everywhere. I like Hervoyel's idea of killing gang members. It would thin society of all sorts of crap. I disagree that tobacco and alcohol companies aren't liable. Of course they are. They manufacture poison and need to be taken to task for it.
And since when is Morgan Spurlock the authority by mr.underwater	Mar 6th, 2007 09:36:01 AM
Before he was stuffing himself with fast food, he was paying homeless people to eat dog shit as founder of ibetyouwill.com. br>Now he's some sort of documentary authority...
poison by Lost Prophet	Mar 6th, 2007 09:44:18 AM
rubbish, Doctor, rubbish. We make an informed decision to stuff our bodies with this- why should Alcohol and tobacco companies be held liable? Tobacco, yes up to a point, but anyone born since 1978 that has since picked up a cigarette did so knowing the consequences, I know I did. Alcohol on the other hand, no way. Why are you so concerned about handing down a high and mighty edict against companies that make things that are bad for you. Just out of curiosity, where would you stop? Surely arms companies should be "taken to task" for making things that kill people a fuck sight faster than Alcohol or Tobacco? How about sporting goods companies- people kill each other with baseball bats? what about taking airlines "to task" for fucking up the ozone layer? or TV manufacturers for contributing to the fucking listless square eyed generation kicking around? or how about Hollywood itself for perpetuating this myth about gangsters? Once you start with this shit it can go on forever, as there is always something that someone else thinks should be prohibited. To be honest, provided it doesn't touch my life in any way then fuck it- smoke, drink, read, watch, sniff, or eat what you want- It's none of my business.
Kevin Booth is THE MAN by Kentucky Colonel	Mar 6th, 2007 10:16:22 AM
I got to know Kevin through his association with Bill Hicks. I got the "Sane Man" VHS when it came out years ago with a nice handwritten note from Kevin. I subsequently ordered the Bill Hicks Wildlife Foundation Tribute VHS, and then when they came out the Sane Man DVD & Bill Hicks LIVE DVD's (all of which, BTW, should be on your shelf, fanboy). I wish I could make it to LA, but I'm stuck in the mire here in DC. KEVIN: Please look into booking your film here in DC at the Landmark E-Street Theater...home of the Documentary...202-452-7672 is the number listed in the Post). I'd love to see it, and maybe hang out and share a...whatever with you.
Yeah, Propeht, as I said earlier... by Doctor_Sin	Mar 6th, 2007 10:20:55 AM
I'm for legalizing all this stuff to prevent the morality police. That way, we could tax the crap out of it and make $. I was just saying that companies must own up to what they produce, in terms of warning labels and honesty. Oh yeah - if people wanna fuck themselves up, fine. But big tobacco spent billions trying to fight the allegations their product was harmful. But, yeah - that's business.
I haven othing against things that are bad for me by Hervoyel	Mar 6th, 2007 11:01:23 AM
I drink and I enjoy it. I love me some Guinness Stout but I don't over indulge and if my drinking should somehow bring about my early demise then that's my fault. I used Copenhagen for almost twenty years before I grew tired of it and decided the cost had climbed beyond reason. I enjoyed it and if I get told that I've got cancer at my next dental appointment that's my fault not the tobacco companies fault. I knew tobacco was bad for me before I got out of grade school(I'm 41 now) just like every single person in my age group. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or wasn't paying attention for literally decades. As for my comments on gangs and my (final) "solution" I stand by it. The gang problem would be solved if each membership came with one free complimentary summary execution. These people would leave society not one penny poorer.
I'd like to fuck Eva Green by feckdrinkarse	Mar 6th, 2007 11:14:56 AM
I'd like to fuck Eva Green and then treat her real nice.
As a person who sells loads o candy to fatasses by JackRabbitSlim	Mar 6th, 2007 11:36:10 AM
I feel NO responsibility when your blubbery chest starts spasming from the mammoth stroke you will suffer from consuming vast quantities of fatty foods. Drug overdoses/lung cancer/obesity-caused heart attack = Darwin purging the planet. Good fucking riddance
So, in other words by Theta	Mar 6th, 2007 11:40:55 AM
More preaching to the choir and more strident "let's-ignore-the-details" horseshit. I like how he decides to stuff "the government" under one category. Yeesh; it's an important topic but after reading this interview, I don't know that I want to waste my time being lectured by somebody who doesn't want to see the details.
Punish RJ Reynolds AND legalize pot? by Immortal_Fish	Mar 6th, 2007 11:42:24 AM
WTF? Talk about your mutual exclusives. Question -- Who will be first in line to bring pot to market? You do the math. "When my mom was dying from liver failure, she was in an ICU unit with several others facing the same fate, all from a life of hard drinking." ...but in 20 or 30 years when it's someone else's mother dying from a life of hard pot smoking, that'll be okay? Those gang members that this guy is running around with, am I to presume the whole lot is dry and sober?
People, People, People! by zoo keep	Mar 6th, 2007 11:54:20 AM
Man, you guys are missing the point entirely! You're focused on one interview comment, regarding the gangs, that is taken out of context. I had the honor of being among the first to preview this film in Austin TX last fall. The above write-up and following Q&A doesn't begin to touch the truths that are so undeniably documented in this film. Kevin actually set out to try to prove that our gov. is fighting an honest drug war. He was trying to make an anti-conspiracy doc. and couldn't, because with each new interview, new truths were revealed leading him down some unbelievable paths. In Austin, he pulled in the largest crowd this venue had ever had and he got a standing ovation. See the film - do the research - then make your comments. You know not of what you speak. Kevin, to you I say thank you. This film took guts and tells a story that needs telling.
Just a few points by Mattapooh	Mar 6th, 2007 12:04:27 PM
1) The "cards they were dealt" comment was completely accurate and I think it's kinda creepy that nobody else can understand that. If you were born to a single mother (father took off before he even knew your mother was pregnant) who was most likely DRINKING DURING PREGNANCY, still on booze and/or crack, passed out, fucking other guys, and had to get up and try to go to school with no food in the house, then had to walk through a gauntlet of thugs all day and the constant threat of being jumped/murdered, then saw all the local drug dealers making good money for hanging out at home, I think your actions would be pretty fucking similar. Gangs provide the only sense of security most of those people have (strength in numbers and that whole "need to belong" that most humans have) and I think that growing up in that environment would cause almost everyone to go the same route. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome plays a big part as well, I'm sure. 2) Kevin Booth's biography on Bill Hicks is really, really good stuff. I'm a massive Bill Hicks fan and I recommend it thoroughly. If you wanted a complete warts-and-all account of the dude's life, you'll get it here. It's nice to see somebody's whole character being presented without the sugarcoating and still being just as appealing. Hicks was pretty much a Christ figure in many ways, as melodramatic as that sounds.
Fuck you, van Buren, hippie cocksmoker by Doctor_Sin	Mar 6th, 2007 12:41:40 PM
All I said was to tax the shit out of a bunch of crap that fucks people up, and allows them to wallow in their own lonely misery. Same as liquor or smokes. You fucking moronic idiot. Where in my post did I say anything about "That's what life is all about, not having meaningful relationships with human beings or anything, it's about a big invisible thing called the Economy that we all have to contribute to"? You fucking jackass. If we legalize prostitution, it gets regulated, taxed (more money for fucking social programs or schools or roads, every day undercut by the Big G), and lonely miserable losers get their dicks ridden. We legalize drugs, it gets regulated, taxed (even MORE money for social programs or schools or roads, or whatever), and a bunch of shiftless morons gets wasted. Sounds damn good to me. Now, go back to your farm/commune and take a shit on the turnips.
Government Behind Drugs is JUST the Tip of the iceberg by pockybot	Mar 6th, 2007 01:49:08 PM
Good to FINALLY see a film coming out exposing how the US government and new world order is behind all the drugs to fund their black ops. People should go to video google and check out "TerrorStorm", "Martial Law 9/11", "America Freedom to Fascism", "The Corporation", "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised", "The Illuminati 2", "UFOS Gods and Angels" and "Why We Fight" if you really wanna take the red pill down the rabbit hole. Oh yeah, Harry Knowles NEEDS to interview Alex Jones, one of the most important filmakers and personalities of the 21st century.
suck a moose's cock by moviepoopshooter	Mar 6th, 2007 01:52:28 PM
Indeed Mattapooh. These violent "gangbangers" are our own creation, and we can get rid of them whenever we want. I'm sure Booth doesn't condone violence committed by any of these gang members any more than he condones that of any one else. That isn't what he was trying to say. It's sad that people are unable to comprehend exactly what he's saying. Immortal: Know anyone that's died of 20-30 years of hard pot smoking? Yeah, me neither. Anyway, Nevada was something like 7% of the vote away from voting to "tax and regulate" marijuana in 2006. Colorado's recreational marijuana initiative got more than 40%. So, more people are waking up, and it shouldn't be long now.
Naturally, pockybot makes an appearance. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 6th, 2007 07:13:37 PM
And I see you're pimping the whole Austin/Alex Jones/InfoWars-meets-Kevin Booth/SacredCow conspiracy thing. Shocker.
Pockybot, Save Some KOOLAID for the Rest of Us!!!! by PhillipMarlowe	Mar 6th, 2007 07:37:56 PM
Seriously, do people like you have a genetic predisposition to be complete and utter morons? Did you know the moon-landing was filmed in a TV studio? Did you know you are a fucking idiot?
"On the 7th Day in Waco" by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 6th, 2007 07:46:19 PM
As a fan of Bill Hicks, I actually purchased Sacred Cow's "On the 7th Day in Waco" a number of years ago. Basically, it's a mildly amusing home video of Kevin Booth and Bill Hicks driving around the area that surrounds the Branch Davidian Compound trying to get as close as possible to the site of the siege. They don't really accomplish anything other than cracking a few Koresh jokes. There is an interesting (yet strangely incomplete) documentary (not credited by Booth/Sacred Cow) that is included with the home movie. The documentary contains the footage of the tank that allegedly started the fire that destroyed the compound (I believe this was shown on certain media outlets and various public access channels). It also contains some ghost-like footage of various shady law enforcement guys walking away from the building as the fire progresses. The problem with the film is that it presents certain information and images in such a way that you are forced to agree with their conclusions without asking further questions. One could say that it's a precursor to "Loose Change" and other films of that nature.
Message for Hervoyel from Kevin Booth by rudager	Mar 6th, 2007 11:29:49 PM
I agree, when someone dies from Alcohol or Cigarettes they are getting what they deserve. If you ever end up seeing the film you will see that I come to that conclusion. My point is that major corporations are allowed to manufacture & distribute products that cause death & addiction for almost a million Americans a year and at the same time the DEA claims that Marijuana is illegal because of the dangers to your health. It just seems like two different sets of rules apply, and it has nothing to do with protecting us. But- what about pharmaceuticals? My brother died from taking legal doses of prescribed medication. Does he get what he deserves? And this was not some Anna Nicole medication regiment; this was non-recreational medication to stabilize his schizophrenia. And for your gang idea, how about you come to LA & I will take you to the LAPD guys that live this shit everyday and you can tell them your idea. Problem is, the people who actually deal with gangs have known these families for years. These are people’s sons & fathers. I’m certainly no gang expert; I don’t consider myself to be an expert about any of this. All of the information in my film is coming from the mouths of DEA agents, Narc officers, Judges and Cops who work in Skid-Row. On the other side of the law, actual gang members, former smugglers and so on. I have now been close friends with T. Rodgers (bloods founder) for several years and this is what I have seen with my own eyes, not from watching “Training day” or “Colors” or the news, but in real life. In LA each neighborhood is controlled & run by a certain gang for better or worse. If you have grown up in that neighborhood, you are automatically labeled as being a part of that gang even if you have never participated in any gang activity. Knowing that you used to chew skoal I’m going to guess you have not spent much time in the ghetto, maybe I’m wrong, I try not to jump to conclusions without having all the facts. My point is that most of these poor kids don’t ask for this, its thrust upon them & many of them are “only playing the hand they have been dealt” to quote myself. I have a great idea for a new reality show, we drop you off in the middle of Skid Row with a bunch of your armed buddies & you can try your “kill all the gang members idea” and I get to film what happens as you pray for that mouth cancer to kick in fast. I know your probably not a bad guy, and that fear causes people to say stupid shit, but at least have the balls to use your real name if you going advocate killing people. Even if it is just a joke. Maybe you could get a job in Iraq, I hear they are looking for some really tough guys who are not afraid to confront people on message boards using fake names. Sincerely Kevin Booth
Immortal Fish by hst666	Mar 7th, 2007 01:20:30 AM
Nobody to my knowledge has ever died (and I literally mean no one) from 20 - 30 years of hard pot smoking.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??? by texasranger	Mar 7th, 2007 03:39:22 AM
It's funny to read these comments.... you can tell who's a NIGGER and who's a CRACKER. ignorance on both sides. This cracker put on a nice display of information. he even went into the ghetto with the niggers to bring you all the raw information possible. If your cock-sucker ass don't like what he said about the niggers and the gangs, who cares? Good job GREAT WHITE HOPE
blame bush? yawn by ZO	Mar 7th, 2007 09:07:52 AM
same old tired liberal conspiracy at play how about taking some responsibility for partaking in illegal activities? if u dont want hard drug laws. tell ur legislatures. its a free country!
this guy is a loon by ZO	Mar 7th, 2007 09:12:06 AM
hes an apologist for LA gangs??? he cant be serious. i cant believe hje didnt get into all the good work and community service gangs do for the LA people they're killers and dealers because the white devil and poverty made them. i get it now
ZO represents the scared masses YAWN by rudager	Mar 7th, 2007 10:03:10 AM
Yea that’s exactly what I’m doing, I’m apologizing for gangs. That is about as brilliant as the current administration’s “If your not with us, you’re a terrorist” stance. I guess if I made a film about Great White sharks, you would be saying “”this guy is advocating sharks eating people, what a moron” I think you should run out & buy bigger locks for your windows, and a new alarm system with one of those panic buttons. As good Christians we should only kill what we don’t understand, it’s what Jesus would want. Why try to solve a problem when you can out-gun it. Yea it’s a free country when our government is allowed to control what you put in & what you take out of your body, oh god the freedom of it. P.S. Sorry, but using the word “Liberal” as if it was some sort of derogatory term ceased being original I believe around Nov. 7th 2006. This is starting to get fun. KB
pinko liberal commie hippies by moviepoopshooter	Mar 7th, 2007 12:55:00 PM
The thing that's always baffled me is that what these "liberals" want is for people to be able to take responsibility for taking part in certain activities, such as smoking marijuana. But it appears that THE GOVERNMENT doesn't want that. You know, we want BIG GOVERNMENT to stop meddling in our shit. Its the same stuff that your windbag radio hosts tell you that you should want. Yet, the same "conservatives" that get their large panties in a bunch whenever a public smoking ban is considered don't give a fuck about , and are actually against, changing marijuana laws. What? Why? You are the fucks that are supposed to be fearful of a nanny state. Please be a little more consistent. That being said, unfortunately, the whole war on drugs transcends the silly left/right politics bullshit. If ending it was a "liberal" or Democrat cause, it would have happened a long time ago.
hst666 by Immortal_Fish	Mar 7th, 2007 01:13:04 PM
"Nobody to my knowledge has ever died (and I literally mean no one) from 20 - 30 years of hard pot smoking." No one YOU know? Oh, well, then that clears it up nicely. Stop the presses! Clearly it can't ever happen, simply because YOU don't know of a single instance where someone died of pot. Why do you presume I'm speaking only of health risks related to inhalation? Is one or is one not impaired when high? When/if it is regulated (something I hope DOES happen, mind you, you pigeon-holing troll), it will be saturated in chemical preservatives among other crap just like cigarettes are today. All healthy, organic stuff, you presume? And it will be marketed by the eeeBUL RJ Reynolds.
This Is Madness...! by buster00	Mar 7th, 2007 01:52:49 PM
THIS...IS...SPARTA!!
soo smart... by texasranger	Mar 7th, 2007 03:20:23 PM
i don't believe the comments you people make. How can one happy redneck cracker talk shit because Kevin actually made a point about the cards blacks have been dealt? your little white kids wish they were black. I see it all the time. These sorry Black Gang Members have been put in a certain situation. they have been stripped of self-being. As soon as a CRACKER lose his job people are getting shot!!!!!! who's doing the shooting? fucking hypocrites. BLACKS are dealing with their issues. Being a WHITE MAN is the easiest thing to do in America.
Message for Kevin Booth from Hervoyel by Hervoyel	Mar 8th, 2007 05:06:17 PM
Thanks for the response Kevin (I'm going to operate under the assumption that you are Kevin even if you're not for no other reason than that I can't find a single reason not to do so) and please believe me when I say that I think you have a hell of a point about marijuana and the hypocrisy of it remaining illegal while alcoholic beverages and tobacco products are legally for sale. I think people should have the right to harm themselves with weed too if they please. I just don't think they should subject the rest of the world to their whines when something bad comes from it. That's a small matter really and as you said we're not too terribly far apart there. Your response to my comments about gangs indicate that there we are a lot farther apart there. No, I'm not speaking from fear so the "fear makes you say some crazy shit" angle isn't on target. I'm speaking from experience. I'm a 41 year old former MP and police officer who now works in IT after a bad spill down a flight of stairs. Your long list of sources is probably littered with people who might say the same things I did but who would never voice these kinds of sentiments in public or to a filmmaker. It's a fast track to professional suicide. I've been in locker rooms with other officers while conversations about horrific solutions like the one I suggested (horrific but no doubt effective) took place and if you think that what you captured in your film (which I will certainly see) are the complete story then good for you. Excellent in fact. Most of these good kids don't ask for it but we permit it to continue. Ending it is going to be an ugly thing whether it's done the way I described or following decades of pussy footing around and baby-steps that could barely be labeled progress at all. It's a cancer on our society and eventually you either cut the cancer out or you succumb to it. I don't expect you to answer me but I can be reached at hervoyel@gmail.com. It can't get any more full of spam than it already is so fire away. No, I'm not going to throw my name out here to prove I've got "balls". You may think that this is a "confrontation" but I know those don't happen on message boards and so do you.
One more message for Hervoyel from Kevin Booth by rudager	Mar 9th, 2007 11:17:54 AM
I appreciate your honesty; I had a slight feeling that you had some sort of law enforcement background. The film I mentioned that you should watch “Bastards of the Party” (currently on HBO) talks about how during the Black Panther era the chief of police in Los Angeles would recruit white EX marines from the Deep South. So yes I believe it when you say they sit around in locker rooms wishing they could simply kill everyone. First off and this is important, my film is about the Drug War, not about Gangs, so we are way off in territory that my film does not cover. However, like I said, I have spent several years getting to know people on both sides, so maybe I know a few things? Did you see the Front-Line special in which the film crew spent several months with groups of terrorists who were setting car bombs? You would think, and maybe it’s just me- that our military would be interested in what those guys learned. (Love thy enemy? Know thy enemy? I keep my friends close & my enemies even closer?) I do think Iraq is a perfect parallel to what is going on in our ghettos, and maybe even some hellish vision of the future if we don’t as one human race take some sort of responsibility for those who fall through the cracks of society. Its real easy to have the “survival of the fittest” mentality when your one of the fittest, but even you as a former M.P. obviously had some sort of education to fall back on after injuring yourself. The problem is that in both Iraq & our ghettos, when the police or gang members or whoever kill someone, that person will be instantly replaced by someone who is twice as angry and twice as motivated toward revenge. I feel you rolling you eyes because I know its not the first time you have heard it. Just for one second, remove yourself from everything and imagine that someone kills your father and or brother. Are you going to say “Oh well they got what they deserved” no your not, your going to pick up a gun and focus your life on revenge. Same goes for small time drug dealers, arrest a kid selling crack and not only will he be replaced in about 3 seconds, his replacement will be younger, smarter, better armed, and have even more of a “”Fuck the Police” mentality. And so the cycle continues, on and on. Everyone is a racist deep down inside, especially black people. A few weeks ago while driving home from that gang rally, I asked my friend “So why didn’t you guys bring your riot to Beverly Hills after the Rodney King verdict, why do they always kill each other & destroy their own property” he didn’t really say much other then they destroyed stores owned by non blacks. I guess they know that if they had gone into Beverly Hills, the police retaliation would have been a practical annihilation. Living in Los Angeles, you get a sense of boundaries, and that the blacks contain 90% of their illegal activity to South Central. So back to my original comment that started this: how does a good kid who is born into this navigate his way through all of this without being caught up in it? It’s practically impossible; especially when the average white cop who is a former marine thinks all blacks look alike. So when you’re off killing all the bad guys, you better make sure 100% of them are guilty, because in the ghettos as in Baghdad, everyone looks the same and everyone is related. The bigger problem is that huge corporations (here I go blaming the actual culprits again SORRY!!) are telling all the youth that its cool to dress like a gang banger, not to mention all the shiny expensive shit one needs to own to be cool these days. Rich kids get credit cards & go into debt. While the less fortunate end up breaking the law, just so they can own new sneakers. I am hopeful, I do think that in the end cool minds will prevail. A new film “RIZE” about this new dance craze in South Central, has some of these kids finally saying “We want more out of life then just owning big jewelry & fancy cars, we want peace” So just for one second imagine instead of killing a 1000 bad guys, what about handing out a 1000 scholarships? I know that sort of talk does not do shit for the cop on the beat that gets shot at, but here in America we have this thing that is supposed to keep our military & our police separate. (Posse Comitatus I think?) Police are supposed to “Protect & Serve” and its really sad that even most white people are now afraid of the police. (I wonder why?) We can continue talking here, but after it fizzles out your more then welcome to come over to the SacredCow message board. Maybe you should talk to T. Rodgers? He hates gang bangers, he has been shot 4 times, but has chosen to help the problem from inside with compassion not this eye for an eye mentality that got us here. KB

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