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‘He Disappeared!!’
SWEEPS DAY 27!!
It's The Last
VERONICA MARS
Till Late April!!

My theory: by OhioBobcat	Feb 27th, 2007 01:00:32 AM
O'Dell killed himself to screw his wife over. He set up her and Landry so if she tried to get insurance money she'd screw herself, her boyfriend, or both. Sort of the opposite of the last two weeks' mystery.
I'ma lock in Landry for 200 by Sam Raimi's Car	Feb 27th, 2007 01:56:14 AM
but I ain't been right yet on Nonica.
Watch this show! by JediShaft	Feb 27th, 2007 02:02:20 AM
If next year we have a reality tv show in it's place it's on your head!
Parker's A Piece of Iiicccccee by topaz4206	Feb 27th, 2007 02:22:46 AM
Who doesn't love blonde, Argentine tail?
Theory by Bob of the Shire	Feb 27th, 2007 04:12:38 AM
It's his angsty son that they introduced and set up for no, as of yet, explainable reason. His mom is lying to cover for him.
Tim! by Menchekia	Feb 27th, 2007 04:17:50 AM
It's Tim. He's pissed off at Landry because Landry is really kind of a jackass. So he set him up. I mean, Veronica did say that some elements from her paper on the perfect murder were used. And who grades them papers? TIM. And she hasn't suspected him yet. It's always the guy who's not on the suspect list.
So, not Landry? by ChildOfMen	Feb 27th, 2007 07:13:59 AM
Hard to blame the synopsis, but I wish the show would have left it more ambiguous about whether Landry was the killer. It seems like one of those things where they've tried to make it obviously him that everyone watching knows it can't be him. Regarding O'Dell's angsty son, I read that if the show hadn't been shortened, they would have had time to do an actual show dealing with and setting up the character, but they didn't, so he ends up as a loose end.
Maybe Landry? by godric	Feb 27th, 2007 07:56:10 AM
It's obvious that we're supposed to think it's NOT Landry since everything points to that it is. So they could double cross us...I'm curious as to why they've hidden the dean's visit and lied so completely. I think Tim Foyle is too obvious a choice. Plus his last name: Foyle. Foil. He's there to trick us, to be the foil to Veronica...her rival. The show could be much more interesting if he sticks around. Still, this mystery has been great and I'm pumped for tonight.
Should be great, but... by Atomik Steve	Feb 27th, 2007 08:08:30 AM
i can't believe they offed Lamb last week! my favorite character! (other than Mac)
Last Gilmore Girls until April, too. by ExcaliburFfolkes	Feb 27th, 2007 08:15:58 AM
The CW says: Rory gets a call from the New York Times about an interview; Rory and Lorelai plan Lane's Baby Shower while Lane fights with her mom over how the twins will be raised; Logan admits his business disaster to Rory and heads off to Las Vegas to party with old Life and Death Brigade friends Clin and Finn. (Thought I'd report on it since Herc refuses to cover the show anymore.)
Oops, that last line should have read: by ExcaliburFfolkes	Feb 27th, 2007 08:17:45 AM
"...old Life and Death Brigade friends Colin and Finn."
she's argentine? by punto	Feb 27th, 2007 08:21:57 AM
wow.. her accent is flawless. I wonder how much of a 'native speaker' she is
It's nice to see all the different theories... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:51:53 AM
Shows how well the show is made. IF it's not the Dean's son, it's going to be Tim, if only for the fact that last week neither Keith or Veronica bugged his phone, so it was surely Tim trying to figure out if Landry is on to him or not. I really hope Landry sticks around, I've enjoyed him. It's also a little disheartening that this may be the last "arc" episode of the show ever.
Im an idiot... by mr ahole ramirez	Feb 27th, 2007 09:38:58 AM
for not watchin this show when it first began...I started a lil bit durin the rape mysteries this season but then went out the country durin the murder mystery and now Im completely lost...please stick around Ms Mars, Ill like to get to know ya better....
Whodunnit by Reedyb UFF	Feb 27th, 2007 10:40:01 AM
Tim Foyle: The factors for are that he is checking out the clues that the police forgot (perhaps to see if he's on the list). He has the opportunity and ability to put the bug's in Landry's phone (also to see if he's a suspect), and he was all mysterious with that other girl at the end of the last arc. The Dean's Adopted Son: The fingerprints of Richard Greico were found on the keyboard, meaning someone tried to set him up. The kid may be angry because of his extortion to get bone marrow. Also, he could have hired Vinnie to bug Landry. Landry: He has motive and opportunity and may have bugged his own phone to throw others off the scent. Hard to think it's him with the promos saying it's him. This isn't ABC after all. The Dean's Wife: Who knows. Seems too easy. Logan: C'mon, why not? Parker: After all, she's after Logan. Veronica: Now that would end the series on a bang! or her Dad could hide her guilt. Lamb: Hey, he's dead. Why not? Vinnie: He would have taken the scotch, so not him.
One of the biggest factors of who did it... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 12:36:02 PM
Is that Thomas has stated that because they lost an episode in this arc, one aspect they mentioned couldn't be elaborated on, and I'm assuming this is the stuff with the son, as he's seldom been seen. This also could relate to the phone bugging though, as there was no resolution on that, unless that's revealed in this episode. I think one of the best points brought up in this thread is how Foyle's explosion at the party was probably him just trying to draw attention to himself to show that he was at the party for an alibi. That makes a lot of sense to me. You can also think about how Thomas specifically wanted to re-use James Jordan from his season 2 role for Tim Foyle, maybe because he just liked him as an actor, or maybe because he wanted to have him be this eventual antagonist.
re: DanielKurland by KoozyK	Feb 27th, 2007 02:42:51 PM
the phone bugging was most likely foyle. and the fact that the episodes were cut won't likely matter since the second half of the season was going to be more self-contained mysteries. so, if you cut those and just tighten the mythology, nothing should go missing or unexplained.
Yeah it seems like it's Tim Foyle... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Feb 27th, 2007 03:21:19 PM
Because neither Veronica nor Keith have suspected him yet. I would accept Landry as the murderer, but the preview ad plays up too much the possibility that Landry is the culprit. I don't have a good theory as to why Foyle would murder O'Dell, however.
Keith as Sheriff... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Feb 27th, 2007 03:23:48 PM
Perhaps we will learn that Keith is only serving as an acting sheriff for Neptune temporarily. And later in this season he will be considered for the job permanently but decide to not take it.
sherif by punto	Feb 27th, 2007 03:43:12 PM
well, the sherif seems to be an elected office, remember the election last season? so it's probably not a job that you just land by getting a phone call. on the other hand, the law should probably have a very extensive setcion on how to replace a sheriff, since out of all the elected positions, sheriff is the only one that gets shot at on a regular basis.
Lamb by zabu 123	Feb 27th, 2007 03:46:57 PM
You guys, Lamb's totally not dead. He faked his death so he could go deep undercover and crack this O'Dell case wide open with a never before seen from him level of competence. Well, anyway, you'll all see tonight.
re: punto by KoozyK	Feb 27th, 2007 04:01:20 PM
the sheriff is an elected position and remember that mars was the runner-up to lamb. it makes sense that he would fill the role. and i don't think foyle is the killer. frankly, each season, it's always been someone who we had no idea could be a suspect until the last minute. to pull that a third time would be cheap in my opinion.
KoozyK... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 04:16:34 PM
I know nothing should be cut from the mystery, but I'm basing this on an exact quote from Thomas where he says that the only time he doesn't follow up comments or clues on the show is when they are red herrings, EXCEPT with one detail from this mystery due to the reduced order, and how he was upset that it couldn't be fleshed out enough and hopes that viewers don't get upset. Also, if Lamb faked his death and solved the O'Dell case, I'd love him even more, but I don't think that's the case at all.
ahhh by KoozyK	Feb 27th, 2007 05:00:02 PM
ok, i didn't know of the rob thomas quote, i now understand. in the interview with kristen, muhney said he's dead and has already shot a pilot for next season, so, i doubt he faked his death. besides, do you really think he had the thought process to devise some plan where he faked his death? i don't.
Foyle by Reedyb UFF	Feb 27th, 2007 06:12:08 PM
Foyle went to the party for the alibi. Wants to leave clues that made it look like Landry did it to prove that he is smarter than Veronica and can plan the perfect murder. Or maybe not.....
The Best by NudeandAroused	Feb 27th, 2007 06:44:08 PM
Truly the best show on broadcast TV.
Foyle is hottt by scourge0	Feb 27th, 2007 06:52:42 PM
...much like my anus when i watch this lovely show starring lovely people doing lovely things like solving lovely crimes of loveliness. take a bite, miss bell!!
I hope Thomas or Ruggiero wrote tonight's episode... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:03:36 PM
They always dosuch a fucking good job.
It's nice they got Begley back for this one... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:09:09 PM
It's shaping up well so far. But it seems like an episode that could maybe stand to be two hours long.
Fuck, I missed who wrote it... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:10:28 PM
Did anyone see? Also, the idea of Foyle setting up Landry to prove to Veronica he can plan a perfect murder and be smarter than her makes a lot of sense right now.
Got yer back, Daniel... by Pennsy	Feb 27th, 2007 08:13:37 PM
John Enbom wrote it, Michael Fields directed.
Although, if Foyle did it, I don't know why this... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:13:53 PM
scene with him asking Veronica for help would be happening.
Ah, if it's not Ruggiero or Thomas... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:17:40 PM
Enbom is the next guy to use. Thanks.
"Do we look like we smoke?" "Yes"... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:18:53 PM
Now I hope it's not Foyle so he can join the cast.
Kids are in England?... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:23:30 PM
I'm thinking it's not the son anymore.
I"m still confuuuuuuuuuuuuuuused... by Pennsy	Feb 27th, 2007 08:24:05 PM
And that's a good thing, since I still can't figure it out yet. ;)
It'd be so nice if Foyle was just acting stupid... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:29:00 PM
with Veronica and naive to screw with her and get her in the end.
Hoho, baby... by Pennsy	Feb 27th, 2007 08:32:19 PM
I love this fracking show.
I love that even with a 7 or 5 episode mystery... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:32:33 PM
With filler episodes in between, the conclusions are STILL satisfying, intelligent, creative, and well written. You wouldn't think you'd care this much. Honestly, how are standalones a good idea?
Logan and Veronica never talked like this... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:37:49 PM
Maybe someone more normal is actually good for him. I LOVE him and Veronica together, but I'm not minding this at all, especially with the naturality of it.
OR, bring back Hannah!... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:42:13 PM
She kicked ass last year. That file cake was adorable. Have her come to Hearst and have her and Logan get back together.
Realllllly looks like it's Landry.... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:44:32 PM
Surprise me, brilliant show. Surprise me.
Is it really going to be his wife?... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:48:11 PM
Even though it seemed obvious from the start, no one really ever brought her up as a suspect. I'm still holding out though.
Veronica's going to fucking date Piz now... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:49:44 PM
just to get back at Logan!
Something in those files.. by Pennsy	Feb 27th, 2007 08:50:13 PM
tells me it's gonna be Foyle.
Foyle's going to slip up in this lecture... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:51:53 PM
I love this show.
I'm gonna be right, for once. by Pennsy	Feb 27th, 2007 08:52:27 PM
And V's gonna go Columbo on his ass.
"When a perpetrator starts improvising... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:52:53 PM
the sloppier his work becomes." That's going to speak volumes in a second.
Oh yeah, Timmy, just keep digging that hole... by Pennsy	Feb 27th, 2007 08:53:18 PM
And the bug...
NAILED! by Pennsy	Feb 27th, 2007 08:54:13 PM

Fucking wonderful... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:54:25 PM
Such good, believable characters and resolutions.
Landry's going to love Veronica now... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:56:03 PM
She saved his ass.
Ah, never mind... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:56:36 PM
There's that thing called manslaughter.
Five times five stars... by Pennsy	Feb 27th, 2007 08:57:15 PM
Emmy nom for Best Drama, anyone?
If you watch Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader... by Pennsy	Feb 27th, 2007 08:59:25 PM
The terrorists will have won.
Pennsy, I wish. I wish. by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 08:59:56 PM
This episode was secluded enough that it could maybe get a nomination, although the conclusion to the rapist, was in my opinion better. I would have liked it though if Foyle was just obsessively insane and doing it all to prove he was smarter than Veronica. And wasn't making her the TA a little foolish?
That improvise/sloppiness line is beautiful... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 09:00:53 PM
So subtle.
Menchekia by NudeandAroused	Feb 27th, 2007 09:03:54 PM
You called it first! Well done! Maybe you should work at Mars Detective Agency! Fracking great show!
"I'm just trying to figure out which Gilmore Girl by Pennsy	Feb 27th, 2007 09:07:15 PM
you are." Classic.
Nice wrap-up. by CatVutt	Feb 27th, 2007 09:10:31 PM
Great stuff, loved the quiet ending of Keith and Veronica having dinner and watching the news. It was pretty nailed down that Foyle was going to be culpable as soon as we heard the audio of Landry badmouthing him. But I love the fact that the major tip-off, the disposable cell, was right there in plain sight, and it didn't click with me. It seemed odd he'd leave it in his trash, but that was about it. Kinda sucks that Landry actually killed Mrs. O'Dell though...would've been nice for her to have just gone missing or something so we could still have him around. Oh, well. Might not matter anyway, if this show ain't coming back...sure as hell hope it does, though.
If this is the end... by Pennsy	Feb 27th, 2007 09:10:58 PM
It's the way great shows should go out; on their shield, with everyone at the top of their ability. Brava, Rob, Kristen, Enrico, Jason, etal. You'll be dearly missed.
I liked the episode, but... by OptimusPrimeTime	Feb 27th, 2007 09:17:30 PM
2 things still bother me: (1) When did Foyle have opportunity to bug Veronica's phone? (2) Did he sneak the .mp3 CD into Botando's apartment, and then plant it when Veronica wasn't watching? (He didn't have access.) Chances are, I've missed the answers to both points at some point in the series...the writers are good like that. All the more reason to bring them up in this thread.
OptimusPrimeTime, although it's ambiguous... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 09:35:07 PM
one of those may be the things Thomas was referring to that had to be cut out. And although this season, albeit maybe a rocky start has been great, and I agree with the ending on top comments, but this isn't the end. We have five more standalone episodes that could easily bring down the quality and feeling of gravity of the show.
In retrospect, was it not kind of obvious?... by DanielKurland	Feb 27th, 2007 09:43:17 PM
The only suspects were the two most obvious ones: Landry, and Mrs. O'Dell, and then Tim, who had been around all season. I still loved how everything played out, but having longer arcs allows you to introduce more characters, and I really hope they'll get to do that.
Gilmore Girls has 1 more ep next week, ExcaliburFolkes by Pennsy	Feb 27th, 2007 09:43:49 PM
So they can deliver what audience they have remaining to the premiere of the Search for the Next International Singing Prostitute (thank you Borat...)
If you watch the pussy cats by tiger_robot	Feb 27th, 2007 10:13:09 PM
If you watch the search for Pussy cat dolls instead of just finding porn on your computer or under your bed, the terrorists have won.
I just got off the disposable phone with Kristen Bell by Pennsy	Feb 27th, 2007 10:32:18 PM
And she warmly accepted my invitation to be her new boyfriend... Yeah, I wish. :(
Hot Damn! by Menchekia	Feb 28th, 2007 12:28:59 AM
I was right!!!!! First time ever, baby! flexes tiny muscles
My bad, Pennsy. by ExcaliburFfolkes	Feb 28th, 2007 12:38:40 AM
Though I think the Gilmore Girls has plenty of audience left to get the show through it's series finale later this Spring.
Pennsy and Xiphos by dedebee	Feb 28th, 2007 01:49:57 AM
Veronica's coming back in April with 5 more episodes. It's hardly the end.
The teaser said there will be six more, May 1st. by The Selecter	Feb 28th, 2007 05:37:00 AM
Too bad there won't be a central mystery to them, and such a layoff without reruns is probably the last nail in the coffin. Modestly-rated cult shows that disappear from the schedule don't usually come back unless they're on cable. Instead they're going to put on the bimbo talent show. Sad.
Did it really say 6 episodes?... by DanielKurland	Feb 28th, 2007 08:33:44 AM
Because they only have a 20 episode order...
Hot diggity damn by David Lazarus Long	Feb 28th, 2007 09:54:39 AM
That was some fine, fine television. I totally knew it was Tim from the beginning, but right up until the very end in the classroom I wasn't quite sure where precisely they were going to go. The reveals in this show are just so fantastic. This one was definitely on the level of the Lily tape and the Beaver reveal, maybe not as complex but certainly as rewarding. When she stood and started going off on Tim I literally started shouting, "YEA! YOU FUCKING NAIL HIM VERONICA!" ...Ok, that came out wrong. If only the CW had patience to let Thomas flesh this shit out at his own pace... I mean, he had to develope an entirely new format with the transition to college and still try to make it seem familiar. How many shows have tried and failed the High School/College crossover? But this has potential. Especially now with Keith as Sheriff... Oh, man. The power Veronica would have... And then of course the eventual downfall, where she tries to take on too much and gets in WAAAY over her head... Are there any Fitzpatricks left holding a grudge? But yea. If S4 was done the right way with a major season long arc running underneath a flow of minor arcs, I could see it being fantastic. But no. They'll can it. Because they have ZERO fucking vision and are more concerned with filling their fat wallets than producing intriguing, imaginative television. Did you know?: Every time you watch that demonspawn Pussyfootfuckstupid doll show an orphan gets sold for organs on the black market in China.
Great Ending! by Atomik Steve	Feb 28th, 2007 10:06:11 AM
Superb episode! As soon as she said the line about picking up the dry cleaning (when he asked her to be TA), I knew it had to be Tim. The Gilmore line was great too!
Widtholding info... by Darth_Nader	Feb 28th, 2007 11:04:42 AM
Once Tim started 'monologuing', I knew it was him. The one piece of it that made me a little mad was the part about Veronica's phone being bugged. First off, when Landry's phone ended up tapped, why wasn't Veronica checking hers? Also, when did he have the chance to do it? The second thing was the part about the phone conversation itself. There was no way for us to know VM didn't tell Timmah about it. She very well could have off screen. If they had just done a quick throwaway of Tim asking her who called, and her saying 'just daddy' we would know he didn't get the info from her. Definitely looking for the return of VM. Still no love for Gilmore Girls Herc? Rory is purdy....
That was crap by arrangedletters	Feb 28th, 2007 11:43:19 AM
Seriously, the bad guy's name was Foyle. Get it, get it? Teehee we are clever writers. That crap was telegraphed from the start.
I knew it was Tim! by oisin5199	Feb 28th, 2007 12:30:55 PM
But I was never sure - they just kept me guessing. I found this ending a lot more satisfying than any of the arc mysteries since Lily's murder (the worst - the Beaver reveal!) But yeah, as soon as Tim started monologuing in class, I knew he would reveal something. The one thing I'm a bit confused on is the timeline. If we're supposed to believe that Landry's badmouthing him was motivation to set him up for murder, why was Tim already bugging him? He knew about the affair, so was he already covering his angles just in case? I hope the non-arc episodes work - to be honest the episode mysteries tend to be a bit tighter and less holes than the arcs, but I appreciate the ambitiousness of the arcs. We'll see.
Deputy Sax and the donuts by Shivv	Feb 28th, 2007 02:13:55 PM
Can't believe no one's mentioned the part where Veronica tells Sax to leave Keith a jelly donut and Sax says something to the effect of "Last time you didn't get one and I almost had a heart attack."
The terrorists won... by Pennsy	Feb 28th, 2007 06:13:37 PM
Final overnight rating for Veronica Mars: 1.7, 3 share. Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader: 14.8/22, which means about 26 million people watched this abortion (sorry if that term offends anyone, but there's no other word for it) of a show. Unbelievable.
Yes, it did say six by The Selecter	Feb 28th, 2007 06:14:49 PM
It didn't sound right to me either, so I checked the DVR. Who knows, maybe the CW folks have Pussycat Dolls staffing the department? The fact that is was Tim wasn't hard to guess; the way he acted in this episode (non-jerk) was out of character, and was as much of a tip-off as everything else. The big reveal was how and why. BTW, having Keith back as Sheriff is a bad move. The show loses something when it makes it easier for V have insider access like that, just as when she lost her outsider/pariah status in school.
Fighting words from Rob Thomas via TV Guide: by Pennsy	Feb 28th, 2007 06:38:03 PM
"We're very much on the fence for a fourth season. My amateur handicapping of our situation — 60/40 in our favor. We are shooting the finale as a season finale — not as a series finale. There will be no alternate. If they do try to get rid of us, we're not going to make it easy for them."
"If they do try to get rid by AnnoyYou	Feb 28th, 2007 07:42:04 PM
"If they do try to get rid of us, we're not going to make it easy for them." Wow, as if he cared. Thomas is shameless -- the show has taken such a nosedive in quality this statement is laughable and deeply, deeply cynical. If he really cared about preserving Veronica Mars, he'd make the effort to make it as good as the first season (which was obviously a fluke he can't duplicate).
Foyle by Hell_Bender	Mar 1st, 2007 05:02:34 AM
Been saying it in the TB's for weeks now. Feels good to be right.
simply put by rhaps0dy	Mar 1st, 2007 06:03:18 AM
This is without doubt one of THE best shows on television right now, in every aspect!! I have nothing but complete love and respect for everyone involved in this show.
Sheriff Mars by _Maltheus_	Mar 1st, 2007 10:45:02 AM
I'm guessing he won't run or win when the elections come up. Either that, or Thomas already has a strong indication that the show won't be renewed and making Keith sheriff again would be an obvious endgame. It's not good for the show, but is good for the story as long as it comes at the end.
If Gilmore Girls was exposed to radiation by Phantom Einstein	Mar 2nd, 2007 12:45:38 AM
and mutated into a shambling freak that was oozing puss and dropping teeth, it would still be better than the episode that aired this week. There was a montage, for chrissake.

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