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Best Sci-fi show. Ever. Period.
by Banshee7
Feb 26th, 2007
11:54:37 AM
nuff said.
TOO SOON!
by chrth
Feb 26th, 2007
11:58:00 AM
We need Firefly to come back first.
Who's In it?
by bythehairofsanjaya
Feb 26th, 2007
12:03:22 PM
At least one of the main actors is dead (the lizzard guy). Is this a prequel or concurent with the series? Anyway, I'm in.
Firefly already had its movie.
by Kizeesh
Feb 26th, 2007
12:03:28 PM
Its high time that B5, the undisputed best Sci-Fi series of the 90's, got its continuance. It was hands down better than Trek, Lexx, Space: above and beyond, Stargate, and even Farscape couldn't beat it for scope and sheer genius.

will be buying these the day they get released, just like I did with the B5 boxed set.

More stuff on the way
by RenoNevada2000
Feb 26th, 2007
12:03:48 PM
JMS previewed some video blogs at NYCC this past weekend that will be posted online fairly soon. Fun stuff.
Frodowowo-
by RenoNevada2000
Feb 26th, 2007
12:05:38 PM
It's set ten years after the founding of the Interstellar Alliance and will feature two stories- one centered on Lockley and the other centered on Sheridan. CRUSADE's Galen will also be in it. JMS has stated that if the series goes forward he plans on telling stories along any point of the B5 timeline.
This will be the death of B5
by 4815162342
Feb 26th, 2007
12:06:06 PM
Don't get me wrong I love the B5 series. It always has been one of my favorites, but if future new stuff hangs on how this sells, I think this will be the end. Its too far gone to get sufficient interest in buying DVDs. Zathras knows this....
Babylon 5 was great.
by JKrow21
Feb 26th, 2007
12:07:58 PM
Despite it's mediocre special effects, this show really drew me into it's universe. The storyline was great and I love how JMS really put some thought into the time line and connected all of the dots so seamlessly. I'm really looking forward to these - it was one of those guilty pleasures I've had since I was like 13. The special effects look pretty good, although it isn't much of drastic change.
B5 told a Story and Answered its Major Questions
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 26th, 2007
12:11:16 PM
B5 did this while people were extolling the virtues and sexiness of X-Files. The funny thing with X-Files is that nothing got answered really, did it? B5 is an example of good story-telling. For a season we were wondering about the Shadows. But JMS did answer who the Shadows were. We know Londo was going to be doomed. But we did actual see his fall. Watching B5 again really highlight how good the series was at conveying a story. One can only wish that Lost turns out the same way (fingers crossed)
Crusade
by Kizeesh
Feb 26th, 2007
12:13:18 PM
If only they could get together some, if not all of the crew, and do a final episode. That would be great. Obviously Daniel Dae Kim is probably busy with Lost, but Peter Woodward is onboard already, Gary Cole is never THAT busy and the rest of the cast have barely been on tv since.

I just want them to finish it.

B5 -- the best 4 years of sci-fi on TV ever
by ATARI
Feb 26th, 2007
12:14:05 PM
because, quite frankly, season 5 sucked ass
Its over already!
by NOVAJimBo
Feb 26th, 2007
12:22:17 PM
B5 was blown up to make way for the interspace onramp, Sheridan got old, fat, and went away, Earths sun went supernova. Good god, give it a rest. Stop flogging the dead idea and ket it go.
And Spock Died Already....
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 26th, 2007
12:33:54 PM
...But then came back! Perhaps they should have ended Trek after ST II.
B5 had everything mapped out in a tight arc.
by warp11
Feb 26th, 2007
12:55:52 PM
JMS knew where he was going from the start. He stuck to his plan. And we got one of the best Sci Fi series ever.
Bah! Bring back Cleopatra 2525 first...
by Abin Sur
Feb 26th, 2007
01:09:33 PM
And release it in the soft-core "Seduction Cinema" style...the possibilities are endless!
it was my personal fave sci-fi series
by just pillow talk
Feb 26th, 2007
01:19:38 PM
The first 4 years was great. (just like Star Trek V doesn't exist, neither does season 5 here)
Best Show Ever.
by FlipPA
Feb 26th, 2007
01:21:02 PM
I concur. B5 was the best show ever, and paved the way for good modern television. It was the first shot in widescreen 16:9 format, and the first American show with a pre-planned major arc story. Now, you see these kinds of shows every day. Amazingly innovative, and unlike Star Trek series, it's withstood the test of time. Who knew President Clark would be basically the same guy Dubya turned out to be?!
Season 5 wasn't that bad...
by FlipPA
Feb 26th, 2007
01:24:27 PM
Several things happened to S5. The first half was pretty bad (except for "The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari"). This can be explained by two things: (1) they weren't sure there would be an S5, so a lot of S5 episodes got accelerated into S4. "Intersections in Real Time" was supposed to be the S4 finale, so the "taking back Earth" arc would have started S5. (2) JMS's S5 notes were thrown out by a cleaning lady, making him have to throw together a lot of the beginning episodes quickly.

The second half of S5, from "Day of the Dead" onwards, was frickin' awesome. That's 12 of the 22 episodes right there, plus "Very Long Night" is 13 solid episodes.

Huh! You must have missed the part...
by mbeemer
Feb 26th, 2007
01:24:29 PM
...where it said, DIRECTLY under the photos: "All photos and captions copyright 2006 & 2007 Synthetic Worlds Ltd. and J. Michael Straczynski.

* Since these photos are from the private collection of J. Michael Straczynski, we kindly request that none of these photos be reproduced, downloaded or posted anywhere else, including non-commercial & fan websites. Thank you for understanding."

For those who are not following....
by TheHichhiker
Feb 26th, 2007
01:31:53 PM
This is NOT a B5 movie. This is not even more of B5 series really, it is more of an anthology series (think Twilight Zone, etc.) of short sci-fi stories, except that they use the universe and characters of B5. The most interesting thing about this project is that it is a direct to DVD series, a first one of those in the US that I am aware of (don't quote me on that) I know some Anime has taken this route in Japan, but I would love to see this succeed in US. Between iTunes (and other online sales) and direct DVD sales, this may open up a whole new market to TV shows - a TV show that gets cancelled/renewed based on its actual popularity instead of some deranged idea of a marketing execs - what a concept!
I also think FlipPA
by just pillow talk
Feb 26th, 2007
02:04:34 PM
that seasons 1 -4 had such buildup with the Shadow War that it was hard to live up to that for Season 5. Is that really true that he had his notes thrown away?
About Season 5
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 26th, 2007
02:14:42 PM
The reason for the drop in quality was because at the end of the third season, it appeared that the show might not get a fifth season. So he condensed seasons 4 and 5 into season 5.
Season 4 not condensed
by jccalhoun
Feb 26th, 2007
02:21:15 PM
I'm fairly certain that when season 5 was on JMS swore that season 4 had not been a compressed version of what 4 and 5 were supposed to be. He swore that he always intended season 5 to be the way it turned out. (Of course I have no evidence of this except my memory of reading it on the newsgroups.)
ATARI: The second half of Season 5 ROCKED
by SpyGuy
Feb 26th, 2007
02:27:01 PM
I agree, the Telepath nonsense was irritating, but once the Drakh turn up, it's all good.

I would, however, love to see Peter David's Centauri Prime trilogy adapted and CRUSADE given an ending. Why CRUSADE wasn't handled first, I have no idea. Was Daniel Dae Kim too busy sitting around and doing nothing while all those Jack/Sawyer/Kate episodes were being filmed for this season of LOST?

Is B5 Better or Worse than Firefly? Trek?
by Squashua
Feb 26th, 2007
02:42:13 PM
I never watched it except for once. I hear that it incorporates "Captain Power" into it's mythos.
jccalhoun-
by RenoNevada2000
Feb 26th, 2007
02:42:15 PM
Well, my memory of what JMS said this past Friday night at the NY Comic Con is pretty clear and he stated that he had compressed some plot elements, specifically the Earth Civil War arc into season 4 and then had to stretch out the telepath stuff (which would have started as a B plot in season 4) to fill out the A story in the first part of season 5.
Squashua - depends completely on your taste in sci-fi
by just pillow talk
Feb 26th, 2007
02:55:34 PM
I have not seen all of Firefly's one season, but I did see Serenity. I thought it was a decent show, but I find it hard to compare to say Trek or B5 since it did only have one season. I found B5 to be better than Trek since it had such a great arc and was a pretty pessimistic view on the future. I loved some of the characters on that show and how they were handled. I guess you can compare it to DS9 since shit went down with that series. TNG was of course very rosy and mostly stand-alone episodes.
total dreck
by thecrimsoncurse
Feb 26th, 2007
02:56:31 PM
i hate all of you. thanks to your glaring unabashed praise of this series i watched the first four seasons and will never forgive you for the time i wasted.
Is B5 Better or Worse than ...
by harmil
Feb 26th, 2007
03:06:24 PM
B5 is a dish best served slowly. The people who really fell in love with it were the people who watched an episode every time they came out, and had days, weeks or months to discuss them between. I've given my DVD set to folks who just haven't enjoyed it as much as other things, mostly I think because the scale of the show doesn't become as obvious when you're getting it all at once. There are entire races that die off, but when you were just introduced to them a few hours ago, the impact of that isn't quite as dramatic. Overall, the pacing is designed for a one-show-per week viewing over 5 years, but I wouldn't go to anything more than one show per day. Talk to friends, and review some of JMS's comments about the episodes on the Lurker's Guide in between. Is B5 better than Trek? No. It's different. B5 wasn't episodic, and when it came out, that was a giant departure from Trek. The two can't really be compared. Watch B5 up to Signs and Portents in the first season, and you'll see what I mean. Everything changes, and anything that doesn't changes at the end of the season in Chrysalis. Is B5 better than Firely? Nope. Firefly was a much better character piece, I thought, and much funnier. However, B5 had a more impressive back-story and I think it nailed the dramatic moments better. Firefly though, probably plays better on DVD.
season 5 wasn't that bad
by cornstalkwalker
Feb 26th, 2007
03:16:11 PM
it just that JMS was worried that the show was going to get canceled so he wanted to finish the shadow war so we wouldn't be left in the dark(pardon the pun). I liked what happened to Londo in season 5 and it wrapped up his storyline well.
I love B5....
by SD Canis
Feb 26th, 2007
03:16:38 PM
....but it'll break my heart if this turns out to be of the same standard as Legend of the Rangers. If it matches the work in the series I'll be in seventh heaven. Kudos to JMS for that very fitting tribute to the late great Katsulas.
insulting this show...
by thecrimsoncurse
Feb 26th, 2007
03:21:19 PM
is like sneaking in to the darkest most heavily fortified area of geek-istan and attempting to assassinate one of their high council members.

but thank you harmil for at least being mildly objective.
The season DVD's are WAY too expensive.
by zekmoe
Feb 26th, 2007
03:47:53 PM
I liked it, but there's no way they are worth more than $20 or $25 a season. They cost nearly twice that. Not for me, thanks.
End!
by NudeandAroused
Feb 26th, 2007
04:11:04 PM
Some of season 2, all of season 3 and season 4, and some of 5, were very strong. It is, however, time to say enough. B5 was good. Let it leave with class.
I nearly gave up
by skydemon
Feb 26th, 2007
04:15:17 PM
on ever getting any more B5. This is great news, I just hope it's good. Loved the Series, but most of the movies really sucked. Of the Sci Fi gene fans I know, the ones that really never latched on to B5, probably only watched a handfull of episodes and couldn't get past some of the, awkward humor, and poor acting that was present, especially during the early seasons of B5. Too many filler episodes early on like "TKO" made it a little hard to keep watching. That's really Too bad, because they totally missed the scope of this awesome series. I Hope this new stuff doesn't take after some of the B5 movies like "Thirdspace" because I want this to succeed! B5 needs a comeback.
The thing is NudeandAroused
by Ridge
Feb 26th, 2007
04:15:17 PM
That they haven't overexploited B5 by overdoing it. Sure Crusade was a lost cause, but they learned from that. So instead of coming up with show after show after show ala Trek? They return to their favorite characters, every few years with direct to video/dvd movies, with better effects, tighter storylines and the same quality dialogue. I for one applaud them for their concerted effort in keeping B5's dignity intact.
thecrimsoncurse
by Amy Chasing
Feb 26th, 2007
04:20:25 PM
yes, beating up on B5 amongst this many fans is a stupid idea. Although that it took you 4 seasons worth to work out that you didn't like it - well, you had more staying power than me. I actually stopped watching after the episode in the first season where the doctor isn't allowed to treat some kid because his parents are like alien Jehovah's Witnesses or something. I just thought the show was crap and went back to Trek.

But then I heard from a friend how B5 actually had become amazing! It had a storyline than it remembered (unlike Trek), it dealt with an epic theme (unlike Trek, well except perhaps DS9), it asked questions such as who are we as humans, what do we want, where are we going, and what will we wear. Yes! B5 showed there is a future where men don't have to wear neck-ties to look respectable (after 12 years of school where I had to, this means a lot to me).

Most of all, B5 cared about its characters. It knew when to use them to best effect, when to let them go, and other than the love story between Sheridan & Delen (which I never bought - but it's a small gripe) it was all good stuff. The characters drove the story as much as the story drove them to take the actions they did.

I for one am glad I watched it. It's my favorite sci-fi show ever (BSG just isn't going to beat it I'm afraid) and even with season 5, Crusade, Thirdspace, The Soul Movie, and LOTR (Rangers, not Rings) - the first 4 seasons of B5 show what a sci-fi TV show can do even with a rushed ending (it's TV after all). Now to go back and answer some of the unanswered questions (like can I have a Great Machine from Epsilon 3 please. actually, I'll take two)

Best sci-fi series. Most expensive DVD series
by teethgnasher
Feb 26th, 2007
04:37:04 PM
Why should I fork out the money for the current DVDs when Warners will release High-Def versions eventually. I could be wrong, but I think the indivual season sets run $80-100.
Did B5 even have filler episodes like Galactica?
by teethgnasher
Feb 26th, 2007
04:38:37 PM
Just curious.
I've seen every B5, and related material...
by Billyeveryteen
Feb 26th, 2007
05:23:09 PM
Sure, I liked most of it, but I don't understand my fellow geeks adoration of it. The cheese was quite abundent.

I'll be renting this for sure.

Most expensive dvds?
by Kizeesh
Feb 26th, 2007
05:53:31 PM
You mean farscape right? I bought the entire B5 set for £160 thats all 5 series, all 6 features and crusade. compared to Farscape and its £300 for a season pricetag
Answers: YES, Season 5 was compressed into S4, and more
by FlipPA
Feb 26th, 2007
06:38:57 PM
Here's a quote from JMS, the creator: "I don't usually comment on this, but...if I had known *with absolute certainty* that there would be a season 5, then season 4 would have ended with 418, "Intersections in Real Time." So you only pull 4 episodes forward, really. You'll understand when you see it." So, 5 episodes that would have started S5 were in fact in S4, and they probably wouldn't have been so rushed, so they might have been seven or eight episodes.

Here's his quote on his notes being thrown out (www.JMSNews.com): "(And on top of all that, my detailed notes on the first half of the season were tossed out by the hotel staff that moved my stuff from one room to another in Blackpool without checking with me. I had to recreate stuff on the one hand and angle it all off in a different direction on the other, both at the same time.)"

B5 had some filler, but very very little, especially in seasons 2, 3, and 4...and most filler episodes had important moments that couldn't be skipped.

I hope that answers questions asked above. Can you tell I'm a bit of a maniacal fan? :-)

Finally, you can get the complete B5 series for $220 at Amazon ($45 per season)...still a bit high compared to other DVDs, but better than the $100 per season it started at.

Who are you? What do you want?
by Optimus Murphy
Feb 26th, 2007
06:51:05 PM
I am me, and I want more B5.
I used to love B5 back in the day
by smellmycheese
Feb 26th, 2007
07:39:03 PM
but it seriously went down hill after season 4 and we all know why. When I first heard about this project I wasn't particularly over the moon (more of the post-season 4 crap I thought) but that image of B5, with the ships surrounding it, gave me fkn goosebumps!! I've got seasons 1-4 on DVD already but if they EVER decide to go back and make special editions, re-doing all the SFX using the state of the art CGI depicted above, just as they did back then, then I'll happily buy the whole lot from beginning to end all over again! I thought the Shadows were pretty creepy first time around. With those moody images they'll give the kiddies nightmares for weeks!! Oh, and BTW, I couldn't give a flying F about Captain Lochley and the ISA!! I want SHADOWS dammit!! Make a note of that for volume 2! ;-D
WB offered JMS a Babylon 5 movie? Really?
by Drath
Feb 26th, 2007
08:32:34 PM
That's kind of good if it's true, I had been under the impression that they didn't much appreciate the show as a viable franchise. That's certainly what fans said in the conventions back around the days when season 5 was on. I'll be happy to see some new stuff, but I do think it's been too long and I without Biggs and particularly Katsulas, the show isn't going to be what it was ever again. And I'm still kind of burned by the let down that was the B5 TNT movies, Crusade, and Legend of the Rangers. If any of that had been great, I'd feel better, but Crusade wasn't the tragic loss that Firefly was to Whedon fans. Babylon 5's Season 5 by the way was a drop in quality much the same way seasons 6/7 of Buffy were a drop--some things still worked great, but there was a noticable glitch in the whole thing. Also, Babylon 5 had some awkward moments that I never understood. Sometimes they'd use a really bad piece of acting from a guest star or even a regular (sorry Pat Tallman had some awful scenes), and the FX were often beautiful but also distracting for being so obviously CG. None of that diminished the greatness of the stories though, it was epic in a way that nothing else has been except for BSG and some of DS9 (which will always be called a copycat, even though it wasn't). If you started with Star Trek--skip Voyager please--you'd go from there to Babylon 5, to Farscape, a brief stop at Firefly, and on to the new Battlestar Galactica and that'd be the flow of great TV space opera for the last 20 years. Stargate SG-1 is in the "fine, if you don't want to think while you watch" bin with Hercules and Xena, but at least it's more watchable than Earth: Final Conflict, or Mutant X, or Andromeda. Ug, what crappy shows. It's just sad that many will group Babylon 5 with that and never know what a great science fiction series it was. I hope this is the beginning of it's rebirth. It could be on the visual scale of the Star Wars Prequels but with some actual substance if it ever got the proper funding!
excellent series all the way to the end
by aboriginal
Feb 26th, 2007
08:38:56 PM
Will miss those guys greatly as they made some of the best sci-fi characters. Even Bruce did great.
I Liked Seasons 2, 3 and 4
by Professor Krapp
Feb 26th, 2007
09:58:56 PM
Season One was OK, but Michael O'Hare's acting left a little to be desired. Season 5 was suckaducka, absolutely awful. Only one of the movies was any good. The two followup attempt at spin-offs, Crusade and Legend of the Rangers were dreadful. I don't hold much hope for this new stuff. Sounds like more bad Season 5 crap.
Squashua
by Professor Krapp
Feb 26th, 2007
10:07:26 PM
B5 and DS9 were on at the same time, and I liked them both about the same. As for Firefly, I love that show, but who knows how it would have turned out. But I'd have to say it's my favorite between the three. Around this same time, Millennium was also out, and that was an incredible show as well. Those were the good old days.
Prices
by Professor Krapp
Feb 26th, 2007
10:11:30 PM
Sorry to keep posting. Just so you know, you can get all seasons used on Amazon for 35 to 25 a season. And for you people defending season 5: Thirteen bucks! I think that settles the issue of how good that season was.
We live for the one, we die for the one.
by Jack9599
Feb 26th, 2007
10:12:12 PM
Its a shame it was only 5 seasons.
Oh come on, Crusade wasn't that bad...
by JKrow21
Feb 26th, 2007
10:30:30 PM
Granted it had some glitches (ex. terrible music during the battle scenes) and the change in the Drakh look was HORRIBLE but I still liked some of the characters. As far as the TV movies go, the Earth-Minbari War was probably the only really good one.
It was greatly hurt by changing cast
by jccalhoun
Feb 26th, 2007
10:46:41 PM
For me what hurt the show was the cast members coming and going. While Boxlightner (sp?) was much better than the first guy, the other changes with the psychics coming and going and Claudia Christian leaving really hurt the show. If one of these followup dvds could include Claudia Christian's character I would be happy. On the other side, it did make me think of Walter Koenig as someone other than Chekov, so that has to count for something.
Crusade was leading to great stuff
by TheSecondQuest
Feb 27th, 2007
12:44:17 AM
It just never got the chance. Imagine if B5 had ended before we got our first glimpse of the Shadow vessels (and was shown out of order on top of that), you probably woulda written the show off as crap. Crusade's 12 episodes (we'll ignore the TNT-mandated abortion known as War Zone) are miles better in quality than the comparable episodes of B5 season 1, and knowing what little we do about unfilmed scripts and plans for the show, it would have ended up being just as a solid a show as B5 was. They just never got a chance to reveal the plotlines about black ops Earthforce projects using Shadow technology and Galen's mandate to track said technology down (as the Technomages's tech is also Shadow-based, as they were once the Shadow-equivilent to the Vorlon's telepaths). With exception to the doctor (who did really suck), the cast was a pretty good mix of interesting characters. Gideon, Max, Galen & Matheson are easily up there with the main B5 crew.
Crusade episode order
by TheSecondQuest
Feb 27th, 2007
12:48:47 AM
I'd reccomend folks watch Crusade in the following order(based on the JMS sci-fi order, but slightly modified to spread certain things out and to smooth over the Lochley content)- it really creates some interesting character arcs otherwise lost, so long as you can ignore the uniform switching issue (which is really unavoidable): 1) Racing the Night, 2) The Memory of War, 3) The Needs of Earth, 4) The Long Road, 5) Vistitors From Down the Street, 6) The Well of Forever, 7) Ruling From the Tomb, 8) Patterns of the Soul, 9) Each Night I Dream of Home, 10) The Path of Sorrows, 11) The Rules of the Game, 12) Appearances and Other Deceits.
Sorry
by Professor Krapp
Feb 27th, 2007
01:06:24 AM
I watched Crusade. It did not work for me. I thought the overall acting was uninspired, or ham-fisted in the case of Galen. You can say it was leading to great stuff, but without that great stuff actually being produced all you have is unrewarding prologue. Sure, if B5 had only the first season I never would have liked it. But it had more. Crusade only had 12 episodes. I didn't like them. I can't say the show was good based on what it might have been. After B5 it was a huge letdown. I do, however, respect other people's right to like Crusade.
Which is why people want to see more
by TheSecondQuest
Feb 27th, 2007
07:38:00 AM
I can understand folks not caring for Crusade based on what was to come- though, as the B5 example points out, it shows why people are longing to see a continuation of the show, so that story gets it's chance. Crusade's not perfect- TNT interferred with it too much for it to have been, and it's obviously more action/adventure in nature than B5 was, but I still found it a fairly enjoyable run of episodes of generally higher quality than most genre shows' first 12 episodes (sure, it's no Firefly or BSG, but it's still on the upper end of the scale in that regard).
Professor Krapp
by ATARI
Feb 27th, 2007
07:48:44 AM
Totally in agreement with you on Seasons 2-4 rocking, and Season 1 being a good start, but Michael O'Hare stiff "acting" looks bad on rewatch. The "one good movie" you refer to is "In the Beginning". If only it would have been given a bigger budget and a theatrical release -- who knows how many more people might have been pulled into the B5 universe?

P.S. "Call to Arms" was pretty good, too, but Thirdspace was garbage.
Best SciFi Ever.... almost
by Super Moo
Feb 27th, 2007
08:12:22 AM
They just dropped the ball in the final season. Too many story threads left open, and too many episodes that did nothing address them. If they had done that final season right, the series would have ruled over all others. So close... so very close.
B5 was revolutionary
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 27th, 2007
10:18:19 AM
I mean the special effects were done using Amigas with Video Toasters, and these effects looked better than the shots from Star trek, which let's face it reused the same bloody shots over and over again. And this was a time when ST episodes were costing 1 million each. I love the Dominion Wars in DS9, but that only happened because B5 was crafting an excellent narrative, while DS9 was really awful in first few years. Anyone that wants to gripe about season 5 need to redirect that criticism to the white suites that constantly threatened to cancel B5, causing JMS to accelerate the pace of his storytelling.
JMS turned down a big-screen movie???
by _Maltheus_
Feb 27th, 2007
10:25:13 AM

That was a once in a lifetime offer, we'll never see it on the big screen now. I'm not saying it would have been good, but I would love to see a shadow ship soar across an IMAX screen. The made-for-tv movies kind of sucked ('cept Minbari war), but I'll buy this DVD. It's been long enough that I'd shell out the $20 out of curiosity, if nothing else.

I wasn't a huge fan of season 5, it's the only season I didn't buy, but it did have some good episodes. I like where Garibaldi ended up. As for the first couple seasons, they were necessary for the story. People talk about Lost and how you need to be patient, but we all know it won't be as smooth as B5 when all is said in done. In B5, a season 1 filler episode might throw in a line that produces an ah-hah moment in season 4. And looking back, you can tell it was intentional placed from the beginning. And even the filler episodes were a breath of fresh air compared to Trek. That's why I got into it to begin with. Only after seeing "Signs and Portents" and "Chrysalis" did I get a taste of what I was signing on for. Season 3 is probably the best season of TV ever, of any show, and it's worth plodding through the earlier eps to get to it.

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The Clark storyline does bear an eerie resemblance to Bush's post 9/11 world. How could you not have been reminded of the nightwatch when homeland security was first proposed? In fact, didn't the nightwatch evolve out of the homeguard? Either way, I picture Bush circling the letters "scorched earth" in "the ascension of the ordinary man", during the waning days of his administration. And the mood of the public in the show during that time so perfectly matches the mood of people now. I even read the other day that five high-level generals are planning on resigning when Bush invades Iran. Maybe they were inspired by this show. :)

Well....Looks like the set design is still gonna suck.
by Lezbo Milk
Feb 27th, 2007
10:36:52 AM
Other than some really shitty set design, the show was pretty damn good. Tell me, why in the ever loving hell would any technologically advanced society ever build a door like the one pictured? They wouldn't. It's just plain stupid.
The Clark Storyline was Good
by DarfurOnTheRocks
Feb 27th, 2007
12:00:46 PM
B5 was good at shifting between the Personal, Global, and even Galactic issue with seriousness and plausibility. This is shown when Sheridan goes to Zha'adun. With the fate of the war on the line, what do the Shadows offer him? A planet? Riches? Nope. Rather, they offer him his wife back. That same thing is echoed with a lot of characters. Even Zak Allen who initially espouses the purported ideals of Night Watch, experiences a transformation once he realizes what is really happening. Storytelling-wise B5 blows Lost out of the water. It is good to have mysteries. However, these questions need resolution before the audience ceases to care. B5 provided that
B5 DVD
by Cobbio
Feb 27th, 2007
04:19:52 PM
I watched all 5 seasons of B5 on DVD three years ago. The show balanced galactic and very personal issues in ways I'd never seen on television before. Despite its production shortcomings, B5 delivered some well-written storylines and badass battles.

I never saw any of the movies, so I can't comment on them.

It's cool to read the new B5 movies are being filmed right next to the Battlestar Galactica studios. I'm sure JMS has watched Galactica closely, so it's cool to think some cross-pollination might occur. I hope so. Ron Moore and JMS are both geeks, but they're hard-nosed geeks who know how to write and produce. I'll probably buy the new B5 DVDs just to see.

Maltheus- movie not once in a lifetime offer
by TheSecondQuest
Feb 27th, 2007
05:16:31 PM
Consider that there actually WAS a B5 theatrical film ("The Memory of Shadows") in preproduction about 4 or 5 years ago until a combination of Richard Biggs' death, financial backers falling through, and fan reaction to studio pressure to recast fan favorite characters like Galen resulted in the project never reaching production. After a couple years past, WB came back to JMS about a B5 movie, which brings us to where we are now. It's actually a smart move on JMS's part- he can practice his directing craft on TLT so that when B5 eventually does make the jump to the big screen, he can remain in charge of things (as directors have the control in films that producers weild in TV) and make the transition himself as well.
ATARI
by Professor Krapp
Feb 27th, 2007
09:03:30 PM
Funny how you knew I was referring to In the Beginning. It was great Shakespearean tragedy, man. The whole story arc of Lando and G'Kar was amazing. It was the glue of the series. The way their characters developed was incredible. I didn't even like either of them in the beginning. Now I think they were the best actors in the series.
Man of Stool
by Professor Krapp
Feb 27th, 2007
09:09:17 PM
Bab5 was better than most Star Trek, but I have to qualify that. Star Trek, for all it's flaws, got better acting from their peripheral characters. Many of the minor actors in Bab 5, and some guest stars, were just plain bad. To me, DS9 at it's best pretty closely followed Bab 5 at its best. Another thing Bab often failed at was humor. Aside from Zathrus, and some Lando moments, their attempts at humor fell flat. Remember Sinclair telling Sheridan that they were like Butch and Sundance? My God, that was a terrible moment in a really thrilling episode. But mostly I agree with you. Voyager and Enterprise were awful. TNG hasn't aged well in some cases, but Stewart is such a class act. It has some great episodes too.
"enough time hasn't pasted"
by filmcans
Feb 27th, 2007
11:28:14 PM
HAHAHA!
I'm outa here
by Professor Krapp
Feb 28th, 2007
12:28:27 AM
This talkback is dead. Considering the lack of activity here, I'd say B5 on DVD won't do too well.
cookylamoo Your partly right
by Drahk
Feb 28th, 2007
03:10:23 AM
It wasn't Sci-fi but TNT, the show was cancelled by TNT before it even aired the first episode. Lexx and Farscape have no baring on the situtation whatsoever.
"pasted"
by TheSecondQuest
Feb 28th, 2007
07:38:37 AM
It was late when I wrote that, sue me ;)
Two key points to remember RE: Captain Lochley
by Mutant Leader
Feb 28th, 2007
10:36:07 AM
1. Her fate was not mentioned in Sleeping in Light; JMS has stated that TNT offered them the chance to re-shoot it with MS SCOGGINS but he declined; 2. Whenever anyone has asked JMS about Captain Lochley's fate, he has refrained from answering. And one of the two episodes will deal with Captain Lochley ten years after Objects at Rest. Think about that for a moment. P.S. To Banshee 7 and everyone else: I feel ya, but its important to remember that EVERYONE's all time favorite genre show is EQUALLY the best genre show ever. The X-Files is the best show ever, and so is B5, and so is TNG, and so is Farscape. That's the way it has to be. :)
Looking forward to it
by gboybama
Mar 1st, 2007
09:37:32 AM
Love the show and will buy any new tales they produce on DVD. Have to say, though, that Lochley is the least interesting character to me in the entire Babylon 5 pantheon. I would also rate Scoggins as the worst actor of the lot. Oh well. I'll happily watch even her story out of curiosity due to the updated effects, etc. Here's hoping for a tale more akin to "In the Beginning" or "Call to Arms" than "Thirdspace" or "River of Souls"
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