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The Next Chapter in Moriarty's Look at Future Supernatural Hollywood Films... LOST SOULS

cool, cool... by Uncle Cracky	Mar 4th, 1999 08:00:19 AM
Poor Bela... always been under-appreciated. Only Ed Wood knew the truth. Hey, Moriarty. In regards to your haunting: why not repeatedly strike the highest keys on a piano? I hear that ghosts hate that!
Intriguing by Ilvenshang	Mar 4th, 1999 08:00:46 AM
Kasminski's work on Private Ryan was nothing short of brilliant, and this sounds like a nice, cynical well-characterized little piece. Kind of like what DS9 would be if Trek could do horror worth a dang. For those who are interested in what happens when brilliant DP's direct horror movies, I refer everyone to the oeuvre of Freddie "Glory" Francis, who directed a bunch of frighteners from the mid sixties to early seventies. After watching "Evil of Frankenstein", "Dracula Has Risen From the Grave" etc. etc. I've decided that a DP turned director can't mess up a good script much, but is useless without one. And it sounds like Kasminski's gotten a corker of a script. PS- Richard "Stir of Echoes" Matheson is an overrated hack. PPS-I'm betting Moriarty's gonna do "Mummy" for best Hollywood horror, & "Blair Witch Project" for best horror of the decade. PPPS- Hey, Harry, when's the next 20 questions with Peter Jackson?!?!?
Arnold will kick Lost Souls Butt by unknownman89	Mar 4th, 1999 08:51:25 AM
I would rather watch arnold kick ass that watch wyonna. I would be shocked if this film is any good. I know arnold will make popcorn flavored fun. Arnold will destroy this film at the box office and more than likely in the fun factor. Get over it moriarty.
What I Won't Be Covering... by Moriarty	Mar 4th, 1999 08:53:23 AM
Hey... I've already done some pretty extensive coverage of THE MUMMY and SLEEPY HOLLOW, so neither of them will show up here, although I do think both of them are going to be outstanding, and I won't be covering DOGMA either because, ironically enough, I don't want to spoil it for myself. I haven't read the script, and I haven't read any reactions to screenings. I like the idea too much to jump the gun. And "beating like a dead horse", Lane? I'm just trying to show how infatuated Hollywood is with the genre lately. I announced it as a special seven-part series. Hope you stay tuned anyway. "Moriarty" out.
Man alive... by JJ McClure	Mar 4th, 1999 09:04:52 AM
I'd just like to take the opportunity to annoy Mr Moriarty by saying that I didn't read this article, due to the fact that it probably is stuffed full of irrelevant baloney about evil plans and laboratories, etc... Thank you.
I'll take that as a yes on Blair Witch... by Ilvenshang	Mar 4th, 1999 09:42:10 AM
Though personally I think it's gotten enough coverage here to show us that BWP is probably a Good Thing...if I hear much more about it there's going to be a backlash, prob. led by me. My second guess for the Mad Genius's best Hollywood genre piece would be the animated Frankenstein, due out Halloween 2000. That is technically part of this decade, since the new millenium doesn't actually start until 2001 (hey, don't take my word for it - ask Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke!) And I repeat: When_is_20_Questions_w/_ Jackson_Gonna_Be?
Dogma, Winona vs Arnold, etc. by Mentalist	Mar 4th, 1999 09:42:10 AM
I hear what Moriarty is saying, I got about four pages into the script to Dogma and I stopped. The beginning of the script is just too amazing to describe, and I want to see this movie, more than any other (including THAT one) as unspoiled as possible. I don't have much interest in seeing End of Days, and I'd much rather look at Winona than Arnie.
END OF DAYS: is it really going to be that bad!?!?! by HAL9000	Mar 4th, 1999 09:58:33 AM
I heard the script reviews were horrendous, and Peter Hyams has a laundry list of crap films on his resume. The only reason I still have a little faith in the project is because Gabriel Byrne gets to go all out and play the ultimate badass. It will definitly be uncool if his character is nothing more than a one liner spewing pansy. LOST SOULS sounds pretty groovy, but I'm still not convinced that Winona Ryder has the leverage to make the role soar. Pleasant surprise concerning the Ben Chaplin casting revelation (missed the animal movie, but his work in THIN RED LINE should've been recognized by the jagoff acadmey). I haven't heard of that screenwriter before, but judging by Moriartys enthusiasm he must have some pretty solid credentials under his belt. Hey doc M, what ever happened to the supposed rewrites on the EOD script? I heard that they were a vast improvement over the original draft. Did they make even the slightest improvement, or is the film going to be on par with Arnold's last two films? I'm tired of seeing Arnold get bashed for being a sell out. The guy has made some bad ass films in the past, but his recent career moves have been pretty ill advised. He needs a comeback pronto before his name is added into the Schumacher/Williamson/Goldsman / Emmerich category for people who are bashed incessantly. He needs to do T3, TOTAL RECALL 2, TRUE LIES 2, or PREDATOR 3 (whatever happened to Rodriguez's treatment?) so he can get his career back on track. Let's all pray that his recent judgement in material is a momentary lapse of incoherence that was brought on by his well publicized health issues. Sorry for rambling like a nazi, don't take any guff from those swine!!
Thank you, Moriarty! by L'Auteur	Mar 4th, 1999 11:11:32 AM
Seriously. Good for you for encouraging people to choose wisely and support the right projects. But it's too bad that END OF DAZE is gonna suck. I might see it anyway, because the millenium only comes once, but trust me: I WILL NOT PAY FOR IT! I just had a vision. What if every time someone chose the wrong movie to see, they would desentegrate into a skeleton and an old knight would say "He chose... poorly." cool!
Bob by 123	Mar 4th, 1999 11:22:04 AM
I totally agree with HAL9000, Arnie needs to do T3, TR2, TL2 and the one I'm waiting for Predator 3. Arnie, get together with Cameron and do something quick before you get too old. Just a quick note about Moriarty's lost soul review. "Satan's rebirth"? when was the first time he was born? According to the Biblical texts, he is a created being and does not need to be reborn. "A film that actually understands religion"? I doubt that very much. William P. Blatty in Exorcist III came extremely close to showing and explaing to us what a possession is. From his research on this topic, he hit the nail on the head. "Exorcism...the church's dirty little secret" I don't think the church has ever treated this as a dirty little secret. "A failed exorcism"? There is no such thing as a failed exorcism, the process of an exorcism is as mundane as a visit(s) to a trained Christian therapist or counselor or a times it can be a bit dramatic but never in the way that Hollywood makes it out to be. Bob
Peter Hyams by BlurLvr	Mar 4th, 1999 12:47:17 PM
Sorry but reading your article Moriarty I couldn't help but get a bit miffed at your reference to Peter Hyams as a "hack". He is by no means a hack, but a master of the screen. He may jump genres but his films are all in the same vein, he's a thriller director. I may come to eat my words on End Of Days. But this is one movie that I'm all set for, I have this weird thing for Arnold, and Hyams is one of the three Best Directors of the 80's and 90's. Far be it for me to disagree but let's look at his record as a moviemaker. 2010: A Classic, with a better script than the original, a more hearty story based on an actual script, 2001, while being a classic in it's own right, is a visual poem told in space, 2010 has a solid cast and a solid script. The Star Chamber, this Michael Douglas thriller is one of the best in his career, some amazing visual touches really make this one move, and grab you from frame one. Running Scared: A truly funny and suspenseful entry into the buddy-cop-action-comedy genre, far better than Lethal Weapon this one really shines. The Relic: now I know this is gonna irk all you people out there but this movie is REALLY scary. I've known people who rarely see horror movies, and don't like the genre that thought this movie was very well done. Striking visuals, taut pacing lend this one to really grab you. Allright, well since he's done so much work I'll stop there, but on to other issues, while Hyams may be a director for hire that does not mean that he's not good, for End of Days Hyams was personally recomended to the film after Marcus Nispell left by James Cameron. I feel as is I'm droning, but Hyams is a master only two directors of modern cinema eclipse him, in my opinion, Ridley Scott and John Carpenter. Hyams may stumble, (Stay Tuned) but he'll always be one of the best visual directors around, his movies always look perfect, grity, and dark. So if you'd care to get on my case about Hyams, I welcome the debate e-mail me at blurlvr@aol.com thanks Bye
meg ryan by coolaid	Mar 4th, 1999 12:57:52 PM
On the imdb it says that Meg ryan is one of the producers for Lost Souls. I find it weird that she would produce a cool movie like this instead of some "you got mail" Nora Ephron bullshit.
Janusz Kaminski by PipsOrcle	Mar 4th, 1999 01:23:47 PM
Uh, Moriarty, Kaminski is a cinematographer, not director of photography.
2010: A Classic? Not! by Weasel	Mar 4th, 1999 01:39:32 PM
Sorry BlurLvr, but 2010: Odyssey Two is not only not a classic, it is one of the most offensively bad films of the 1980s, the polar opposite of 2001 which is arguably one of the greatest films ever made. I reviewed this film in CINEFANTASTIQUE way back when it first came out and, over the years, I have not in any way changed my mind. Hyams is, indeed, a hack and probably could't make a good film to save his life. Also, Moriarty, it's nice to have you exploring the world of film horror for those of us who hit this site regularly. For me, the only true horror film is Robert Wise's THE HAUNTING, a terrifying movie that works because of its subtlety - a concept lost on today's generation of twenty and thirty-somethings who live to gobble up the dreck spewed out by non-artists like Bruckheimer, Peters and, yes, Hyams.
ARE YOU JOKING!!! by LUNGROCKET	Mar 4th, 1999 02:14:14 PM
pips, you crack me up...hahahaha...cinematographe r and director of photography are the same thing...dingle
Hyams and END OF DAYS by monteg	Mar 4th, 1999 02:55:28 PM
I saw the referenced comparison of Hyams as a director only slightly less talented than that of Ridley Scott or John Carpenter. Are you delirious?...Scott has developed imagery and complete worlds so full of texture you could eat them, and that we only now are recognizing as a significant contribution to cinema. Anybody notice how the First Union commercials look a hell of lot like BLADE RUNNER? As for Carpenter, the guys a Van Gogh for stretching the dollars in his budget into palpable dread onscreen. His concepts are bold if not muted in execution and delivery, but they make you think. At what point has Hyams ever made a film that wasn't commercial in nature, obsessed with mass-market appeal, higher on set production than plot, and that didn't leave you with the queasy feeling of watching a cheesy Saturday afternoon made for TV movie? Give me a break...END OF DAYS already has problems. The premise is weak, there's no depth to the conflict, and it seems more like a vehicle to put Arnold back in the shotgun seat of sci-fi, fantasy and action adventure films...I thought you guys would consider Moriarty's forums regarding Haunt genre films an open invitation to explore the whole medium of creepy cinema..How about LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT, THE OTHER, SALEM'S LOT, THE SHINING, etc... This is a area of cinema that's still due a big, solid, tangible hit with a film of some substance. The genre hasn't been done to death ( Up yours, Lane Myers, and by the way, I didn't reference PCU for your benefit you ass nibler. It was an implication, if not outright accusation that you, you lame ass, have gone to the movies, have seen the movies, but you haven't CONNECTED with the movies...so you can quote films. So what? Any moron parachuting in from Montana can do that.) There's room for new, not rehashed. And this is a genre that has so much potential for something new. Lost Souls looks good. And I'm encouraged anytime that a small production attempts the horror genre rather than a large studio, as is the case with DeBont's Haunting of Hill House. Sometimes, most times, more money isn't a good thing, and sometimes frugality, quite passion and intensity of purpose make a film tighter, better and more concentrated. What's horror if not concentrated tension? I suspect that END OF DAYS will be a commercial stab at subject matter larger than itself. Let's hear more about LOST SOULS and encourage more indie films to try and tackle supernatural subjects.
BlurLvr by Pope Buck 1	Mar 4th, 1999 03:06:54 PM
Gee, who knew Peter Hyams' mother read the site? Or maybe his agent.
A Pertinent Point, (though slightly off-subject) by RobinP	Mar 4th, 1999 03:42:44 PM
Instead of constantly rehashing old movies like "Psycho" "The Haunting" etc etc etc.......why doen no-one in Hollywood have the balls to film one of Richard Laymon's books. His entire output has, as yet, gone unfilmed !!!!!!
Well Guys.... by BlurLvr	Mar 4th, 1999 03:54:16 PM
OK So you've tried to prove that Hyams' films are commercial, I agree, you point out that Scott and Carpenter arr leagues ahead of him, I agree, bur for me, there's no one in between. 2010 is not one of the worst of the decade, if you think it is, you didn't watch a whole lot of movies in the '80's . And Believe me, there is no comparison between 2001 and 2010, it's like trying to compare oranges and apples, it just doesn't work. They're two completely different works, trying to achieve completely different things. If you do try to compare them 2010 is for certain going to seem very inferior, it is. But really, you have to consider each film on it's own. Even sequels, they are different movies trying to do different things from their predecesors. Now.... I request that you all go and watch some of Hyams's work, it may not be extraordinary, but it is solid, the man knows what he's doing, and he's been doing it a long time. End of Days, for certain this is not gonna be a horror movie, it's gonna be an action movie for the masses, it's an Arnold movie, come on guys. Once again, you can't compare it to something that it's not. I'm tired now, I'll return later and see if anyone else has anything for me to respond too.
Battle Of The Bland by mrbeaks	Mar 4th, 1999 04:30:09 PM
Which director's style is most snooze-inducing: John Badham, or Peter Hyams? I'm gonna give the edge to Badham, even though he's actually directed some decent flicks (SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER, WARGAMES, and BLUE THUNDER.) As for Hyams, I'm beginning to think that Cameron's suggesting him for the END OF DAYS job was basically a counterpoint to accusations that he (Cameron) hasn't a philanthropic bone in his body. The nicest thing I can muster up to say about Hyams is this: his films are very workmanlike. I'll leave it at that. As for even comparing LOST SOULS and END OF DAYS, all I can say is don't. Although I haven't read the newest draft of the EOD script, the one I did get my hands on was awful. On the other hand, LOST SOULS, from everything I've heard, is the goods. I can't wait until the fall to see how it comes together.
Peter Hyams by Maniaq	Mar 4th, 1999 05:11:00 PM
Guys, I'm not going to try and defend Peter Hyams as a director coz, frankly, I couldn't care less what anyone says about him. HOWEVER, 2010 was a GREAT film and you should pay it the respect it deserves. Of course, the reason for this is prob'ly due more to a great script and a most excellent story - and it's pretty hard to go wrong with a decent script... Judging by the general consensus on what kind of film EOD will be, I'd say Cameron was right on the money when he recommended Hyams for it. No matter how it compares to LOST SOULS (if at all), it has the potential to be a good film.
Thoughts on Hyams by purchagent	Mar 4th, 1999 08:53:11 PM
No one has said much about Outland, one of his better films. Certainly not original in either story (High Noon on IO), or visual design (gritty industrial look borrowed from Alien) but somehow, I always sit down and watch it whenever it's on. A lot of other people I talk to report the same thing. I think he's a competent director, and he'll actually make End of Days into something watchable. Comparisons between 2010 and 2001 are inevitable, but pointless. Kubrick is a genius and a polymath whose intellect ranges far beyond filmmaking. Hyams is a decent director whose interest in genre films is marginal at best.
Get a clue, Myers.. by monteg	Mar 4th, 1999 10:12:04 PM
Lane, your getting limp, man...and it's obvious. I hear viagra can cure what ails ya, though. First, I don't have a fucking clue what PCU is because I've got this annoying habit of not retaining bullshit from memory. Second, it didn't take two days to "come up with that" because...and I'd like you to prepare yourself Lane, because this is a pretty radical concept here....and don't be afraid, it won't hurt you, but...some of us work. You know...we have JOBS! Yeah, you know, that thing that other people outside of your window go to every morning while your inside eating Fruit Loops in front of your PC, fantasizing of a time when people will respect you for your vast mind, lounging around in your underwear, jerking off to JPEGS from the Web. So I'm SO FUCKING SORRY that I didn't have a chance to rush back and insult you sooner you fucking loser. Lane, face it. Anywhere else in the real world, you'd be a deadpan loser with no hope, and your lily-white ass would routinely be kicked because in the real world, people don't put with smart-ass cock-knockers like yourself, unlike the fantasty world you live in from cinema. You see Lane, your all mouth... Go ahead, whip out your big old insults and fire it back, loser, but I'm not answering you, so take the last word...I really don't care. Oh, please Mr. Lane, don't whip out any more big mean old insults on me here in scary Harry's talkback section. Do you ever just look around and go..." Man, this is fucked up. I really think I count. I get to be king of the dipshits in a Web forum." You know what...you can't help it. Your sick, perv. You think your a God in some lonesome online forum, but deep down, you just know your a loser...your sad, man. I see you post in every subject in here. Every one, and every day, too. What the fuck do you do all day?...Lane, get help. Either call counseling or by a razor. Either way, I really don't care..To all persons who casually enjoy films, and enjoy this site purely for leisure and entertainment purposes, I profusely apologize for having taken up your time with this obviously vitriolic posting to Loser Myers...
Monteg and Myers by Everett Robert	Mar 4th, 1999 10:52:54 PM
I know this really isn't a fight that should be stepped into but I find it intresting that Monteg's all like "yeah you fucking loser, some of us have jobs, I can't immediatlly post back when someone insults me"...umm look at the times...yeah it' snot right away but ummm it's was two hours later, what do you do as soon as you log on see if anyone has responded to your post. And yo9u talk about Lane being Lame(not saying that you are Lane)...I just find it really intresting that you want us to think so low of Lane yet your imagnation can't come up with anything better then "you fucking loser jerking off to JPEGS in your underwear" um yeah that's Nobel pirze winning stuff right there Chief Wiggam.
You suck Monteg. by Gods Speed Bump	Mar 5th, 1999 12:50:42 AM
I just wanted to tell you that you suck. I'm having trouble typing because of the massive build up of Cheetos dust on my fingers, so I'll just say that you suck once more and then good bye. I need to roll over and being that I weigh more than Hawaii this will take six to seven hours. So, in closing, you suck, Monteg.
Talkback accounts by Ashtray	Mar 5th, 1999 05:34:29 AM
Can Harry ban people from talkback? Why can't some of these people (i.e. Lane "I get pee pee hurt if someone says I comb my hair wrong" Meyers) just engage in a discussion about their opinions? Is that too much to ask? To act a slight bit more cordial to each other? I swear...Harry should ban people like this who continually bicker back and forth and flood the talkbacks with annyoing useless text about how they're right and the other person is stupid. If you ask me, those arguments are stupid.
Souls by Money G	Mar 5th, 1999 08:05:03 AM
Anything related to the psychobabble of Jacob's Ladder has to be junk. Cannot wait for the effects-laden production to override a crap storyline. Kaminski takes the reins? Spielberg's number 2 comes out. Usually, that is not good. An apprentice trying to imitate the master. Has not worked for Schrader, August and other cinies that dabbled. Get back behind your lenses and stay there. rack it....
Reply by Money G	Mar 5th, 1999 08:11:19 AM
P.S. I agree with Monteg and Ashtray. Off with the in-fighting. Go find a loser chat room for the insults, Lane. And yes, most people have real jobs and cannot reply as life is more important. Hope that in 10 yrs Lane isn't still talking back on this. A life is a terrible thing to waste.
The BEST Supernatural being made. by Ed Hawkins	Mar 5th, 1999 10:44:39 AM
Moriaty-Your number 1 ought to be The Sixth Sense. That Bruce Willis thing. The script is awesome and is one of the scariest things since Seven. Write up on the one. Please.
Posting At Work by mrbeaks	Mar 5th, 1999 11:10:42 AM
Some of us can actually pull off this feat with very little effort. As for Monteg v. Lane, why not settle this like men: I suggest Indian Leg Wrestling. That'd put a definitive end to this whole thing.
I can't help it.... by lynnbracken	Mar 5th, 1999 11:46:33 AM
I just laugh out loud at the talk-back arguments. I know they take up space, but sometimes, just sometimes - I truly crack up. Yes, they are highly juvenile. But, as I sit at my desk eating lunch and surfing I need some entertainment. And face it, sometimes Lane does come up with some good comebacks. Actually, the childishness of some of the comebacks is what's so damn funny. Language I haven't heard since jr. high. Anyhoo, what was this posting about....oh yeah. All the talk of 2001 and 2010 made think of one I like even better. Remember "Silent Running"? Most excellent film. And again, anyone have any idea when BWP is being released?
Sounds too melodramatic. by Kickyuchio	Mar 5th, 1999 12:22:12 PM

Money G , apprentice surpassing the master? by Eisenstein	Mar 5th, 1999 12:31:55 PM
Schiele did it to Klimt. Want another example?
DP to Director by Rocqueja	Mar 5th, 1999 03:30:26 PM
Ahhhhhh......maybe the amazing Barry Sonenfeld from DPing incredible Coen Bros. movies to MIB and Get Shorty!
Just saw Lost Souls by bpez	May 6th, 1999 11:09:36 PM
The movie is as good as the script. You care about the characters. Both Ryder and Chaplin were brilliant, as were the supporting cast. Janusz Kaminski did a fabulous job. The look was incredible with wonderful camera work and great art direction. A 10, hands down. Everyone who went with me felt the same way. The Moriarty review hit the nail on the head.
The Souls used Mapquest. by Wolfpack	Jul 9th, 2006 08:07:46 AM

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