The Jews are like the guy at the David Copperfield show who has to ruin it for everyone by yelling out how the trick was performed.

Anyway, I'm no Bible scholar but do they really contend that Jebus' actual body was re-animated as opposed to his soul rising to the heavens? Because if it was the former then they have a word for that (see the collected works of George Romero).

If we do get Christ DNA, clone that biatch, Kahless style.

Anyway, could Cameron get back to making movies where people die at the hands of aliens, cyborgs and secret agents? It would be a sorely needed lemon wedge for the harsh tequila shot that was Titanic.

Hold onto your butts; the world just got a little stranger.

Tom hanks in... "The James Cameron Code"

But hes doing the opposite and is debunking a thousands years old religion...What a champ!

If Jesus ever existed I have always thought of him as just a mere man who formed a cult that was ignored by all and after his death his life and story was blown out of proportion in order to control large masses of people.

I'm with 90% of people on this saying this is probably the worst Publicity stunt ever done. What's he thinking? I see his "people" going - "Heu.. James.. That might not be the best thing to do now... You did your guest star on Entourage, and that was great but trying to do a revelation of the Christ's body... Might be a No No situation here..."

He's about to get the whole world on top of his head right now. DNA test.. For God's sake (pun intended) what is he a fucking retard? How's he going to prove that the DNA test are accurate? We're having trouble figuring out who's Anna Nicole Smith's baby's father is and they have the 2 to 3 possible guys. How's a 2000 year old piece of bones going to prove that it's Christ?

Cameron is going down if he even tries to do thi sstunt. Gibason and Kramer are having Tequilla shots at Mel's 50,000 acre land and laughing their heads off...

And what's this about Jewish people not killing Jesus? I mean yeah the Roman's threw him up on the cross...but they were in charge. Whatever. This story makes so little sense I don't even know where to begin. I hate these debates that go nowhere. Fuck you James Cameron for pissing all over the comfort zone. I remember when I met you I thought you were pretty cool and you were nice to me but now everyone is gonna be watercooling over this shit.

If I found the bones of Jesus I'd put them back and never tell anyone.

Fucking hell this is going to be news for the next year whether it's a joke or not.

Crossing my fingers the bones get up and dance. Man would that be great. Actually no it would suck cause I'm not baptized so it would mean I'm actually going to the HELL. Fuck. I need to go buy some shorts.

http://www.myspace.com/jesus

Van Buren, you referenced the 17th Century for a reason. I understand that you said "since" but the starting point you gave was the 17th century. Here's why: during that time, philosophers and others began questioning everything. Concerning Jospehus, their questions have been answered by archeology and linguistics. Not trying to make you look bad, but there's been alot of research on that subject and it is old news that the evidence ways in favor of Josephus.

This place is deader than Jesus.

James Cameron

Jesus Christ

John Connor

Love Cameron as a filmmaker, but I guess it's nice to see he's consistent on the front of being a total self-promoting huckster and ego maniac.

Oh, and FUCK YOU, Cameron, for even attaching yourself to such a worthless and emotionally divisive project that has no artistic merit and which you can't back up the slightest bit. You just lost one fucking hell of alot of money for Fox...

I just had to put in my two cents - for when this talkback is printed out and used as a hit list for religious extremists. Come and get me you fruity bastards.

All hail the Iron Cameron!

Then again, the very idea of explaining how insulting and ridiculous Cameron's actions are would be lost on someone like you who immediately after my post wrote (quote): "Exactly. I do find it amazing in this day and age that people can still believe in religion. It's a form of brainwashing handed down from one genration to the next"...as well as "The fact that some people take the Jesus myth as having actually happened is 50% hilarous and 50% soul-destroying. Still, there it is."

Hey, Harry likes to keep things from turning into flame wars, so I won't respond to the utter horse shit you're spreading. But I will say again, FUCK YOU, Cameron, for putting yourself behind something SO divisive and emotionally upsetting to people. I'll really be looking forward to watching the utter shit storm that's going to break out over this one, as well as really laughing over the ass reaming and career destruction you're now going to suffer as well.

Riiiiiiiight. Like THAT'S really going to happen over at Murdoch's Fox.

In fact, Murdoch being the kind of guy thhat he is, will likely tell Cameron, "Oh, and by the way, as an extra fuck you for dragging the studio and our shareholders into a TOTAL P.R. nightmare over your bullshit beliefs, until you also pay me back all the money that we've spent on AVATAR to date...and I mean every single fucking penny...that script, those designs, and that film stock stays here and locked up and you can't even touch it, douche bag."

As I mentioned in my post, the OJ book was not only recalled and every copy destroyed...the special was not only cancelled and supposedly the film even burned...but Judith Regan, the woman responsible for it all, was likewise fired. And keep in mind -- going back to your assertion that Murdoch likes to profit from both sides -- that up until the OJ incident, Regan's private publishing line had been VERY successful for Murdoch and made him a lot of coin. So going by your theory, if money was the only deciding factor, Murdoch would have gone ahead with the book for the money it surely would have generated...he would have aired the special to generate the sensationalistic ratings it would have gotten and thus made even more money...and he would have kept Regan on to continue her Fox profit-making publishing line.

But going against your theory, Murdoch didn't do ANY of that, now did he?

In the end, the REAL bottom line was that public outcry was SO strong and SO angry that the book, show, and even Regan herself were all sacked, no second thoughts about it. So I'll say it again: that was merely over OJ. So with that in mind, do you REALLY think Murdoch wants Fox to be seen as being in bed with Cameron as he now shits all over Christianity and pisses off a helluva lot more people? And keep in mind, too, that the "OJ stunt" was really just a United States-based incident while this new "Jesus stunt" will insult people GLOBALLY. So again, with that in mind, do you REALLY think people won't get even MORE upset over this stunt? And in far, far, FAR larger numbers? Or demand that Cameron pay a price for horseshit?

My bet, look for either the movie to get sacked by Murdoch UNLESS Cameron almost immediately starts back-pedaling over this and actually does some sort of FORMAL APOLOGY for all to see for having even been involved...OR look for Fox to sell AVATAR off to another studio, citing "the astronomical and ever-soaring costs we never anticipated given its 3D nature" or some such PR bullshit as being the reason they're dumping it, also to put on a front, but to also distance themselves from Cameron.

Frankly, IF Cameron goes through with this stunt, which I'm still not sure he atually will -- seriously, I still find it hard to believe that someone as shrewd as Cameron would actually do something this FUCKED UP and career suicidal -- I hope Fox does serve him a shit burger AND make him personally pay for insulting so many people on so many levels. And I hope Murdoch DOES make him come crawling on hands and knees to get his film back, and even then ONLY after Cameron's formally apologized for having done such an utterly retarded thing.

Meant to say "...weighs..." instead of "...ways..." in my last post.

As a Christian, I'm curious to see what Cameron's presenting. He's undoubtly shooting himself and his career in the foot, but it will be curious to see what he's got.

Well, Fluffy, here's a news flash for your 13-watt dim bulb brain, so try to keep up, ok, Brainiac? It IS insensitive purely BECAUSE the evidence IS so SHITTY and IS so scientifically worthless. But tell you what, asswipe. Let's try applying your same logic to other topics and see how well they fly using your brilliant investigative standards for presenting evidence, shall we?

Hmm, how about "Gays are NOT born or genetically inclined to be that way, they're merely giving in to freakish sexual urges and are simply looking to get off any way they can. And frankly the whole "born that way" argument is just a silly charade created by them so they can trick everyone into looking the other way while they DO try to get off in whatever new warped way they've come up with now. Oh, and to prove this, we've compiled a bunch of gay dating data from some hardcore San Francisco gay bars and bath houses, so here's why that assertion MUST be scientifically true..."

Boy, here's a hunch. I bet THAT television special would be IMMEDIATELY cancelled and decried as NOT being socially acceptable. Hell, just ask Tim Hardaway how well expressing his personal views went recently. But wait, Fluffy, what about your argument that there's no harm, no foul in simply investigating an idea?

Give me a fucking break. Talk about an utter crock of hypocrisy. If someone came out with a TV special like that it would INSTANTLY be labeled "insensitive." So what happened to your whole idea of even hearing "shitty" evidence, Fluffy? I mean, there's plenty of statistical gay bar pick-up stats available. But, gee, funny thing, it's instantly been shut down and WON'T be taken seriously because its "insensitive." Go figure.

Oh wait, how about this? "African-Americans ARE lazy underachievers compared to Whites, and here's some statistical data to prove it. We got it by testing poverty level kids in some busted up, rat infested Harlem school, as well as getting further info off some sad ass homeless men and bag ladies we found wandering around. But, hey, they were all Black and in Harlem, so trust us, it's totally scientific and this is why they're inferior..."

Nope. Uh-uh. Sorry. Once again it wouldn't be tolerated for a split second and would INSTANTLY be shut down by the media. It would INSTANTLY be branded intolerant and insensitive. Hell, something like that would possibly even be labeled hate speech, which would even make it a crime. Boy, so much for open minds and even "shitty evidence" being heard! Gee, funny how that double standard works, huh?

Now before I go on, let me state this VERY clearly. I DO NOT BELIEVE OR ENDORSE THOSE TWO EXAMPLES I JUST CITED, SO I APOLOGIZE IF EVEN TOSSING THEM OUT OFFENDED YOU. I was, however, using them as prime examples of how ridiculous and how out of hand this can easily get if you go by Fluffy's fucked-up statement, which in a truly willy-nilly, no sense at all, completely hap-hazzard way decides "what" counts as being "insensitive."

Hell, the very fact that I DID just now include an "apology disclaimer" only goes to prove that I am more willing to do something here that others (given their openly hostile anti-Christian or anti-religion tirades) are NOT willing to do: namely try and BE sensitive towards the feelings of others and BE respectful of other people who might have CHOSEN to include particular beliefs (in this case religious ones) into their lives.

And that's why I stand by my point. While the two examples I used (or others like it) would be IMMEDIATELY decried, these days Christian-bashing is totally A-OK. Its not even worth a second glance. It's certainly been declared fair game by the ultra Leftist "intellectuals" of Hollywood as the '08 elections inch closer. In fact, the true crock here is that while these so-called "intellectuals" WILL instantly leap into action and decry attacks on Blacks or Gays or illegal immigrants or even Radical Islamic nutjobs as being "insensitive" or "intolerant" (because, you know, Islamic terrorists are really just misunderstood people and America really is to blame for all the world's woes), the utter crock here is that they WON'T apply those same standards towards anti-Christian speech or towards respecting the beliefs OF Christians. And based on posts I'm seeing here about Christianity overall and about those who simply made a personal CHOICE in life to believe in something, once again we see what utter bullshit hypocrites you "intellectuals" really are.

In short, Orwell was right and some of you just ache to practice his ANIMAL FARM manifesto. Namely all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others -- most certainly if it means YOU come out on top. So in this case you DON'T believe in God or organized religion...therefore Christian (or even general religion) bashing is ok...which means going by Fluffy's logic Cameron's stunt is NOT "insensitive" to anyone....and in the end it should be totally welcomed with open loving arms, NO questions asked.

Oh, and NO dissenting voices will be allowed either. So you actual Christians who believe in that medieval voodoo God and Jesus stuff, just shut up and sit down. We don't want to hear from you an, so as of now you'll have no say and no input on this matter. And obviously there's no such thing as being "insensitive" towards Christians since you believe in crap anyways.

You know, Fluffy, Zacdilone in his post was right about you: Most arrogant quote ever. Because that's some truly hypocritical and ass-backwards thinking you've got going on there. In fact its SO ass-backwards and upside down, here's a friendly tip. Try to remember the next time you generate so much crap, you really ARE supposed to reach down and wipe your ass, and not your face. Though both seem to spew an equal amount of shit, so maybe you should wipe both just to be careful...

follow the bones of Jesus for all your discount shopping needs

Or Carl Denim.

But I guess that won't be happening. On Fox News they literally just did a bit on Cameron and it's already not looking pretty. So I guess this really IS going down and Jimbo really IS looking to piss off a helluva lot of people and really IS willing to commit some degree of career suicide. So seriously, a show of hands -- based on how heated this talkback alone has gotten, who's still silly enough to believe that once Cameron declares to all the world "Yep! Christianity's based on a lie, Jesus was simply a married guy, he had a kid, he never ascended, and I have the bones to prove it" that there won't be some fucking SERIOUS anger and outrage, much of it calling for his head, which the media will only exploit and fan the flames of anger even more? Potentially making this get REALLY ugly REALLY fast?

Me, I'm still predicting that this could blow up exactly like the public outrage over Judith Regan's OJ book/TV special and that once enough people get pissed off and very, very vocal about, that this could cause Murdoch to order Fox to pull the plug on AVATAR completely so that all corporate ties with Cameron are severed to appease the hostile public (and shareholders) at large.

Then again maybe that's what this is really about. Given TITANIC's success, maybe even Cameron's bloated whale-like ego can't handle the stress of actually making a follow-up film since he already knows people will be looking to tear him and it down in a very big way, so now he's actually LOOKING for something that will generate enough bad publicity that it will kill his film and he WON'T have to make it. At which point he can use the art of distraction and point the finger of blame at all those "Jesus freaks and religious nuts" who in turn "ruined him and kept him down" and who thus prevented him from making a follow-up film. Hmm, maybe Cameron really is that shrewd guy and master manipulator I mentioned at the start after all!

Of course the other ironic thought that crossed my mind while watching the show so far came early on, when they had Ellen and a large religious choir run out and sing in the aisles like a revival gathering. I guess tomorrow when Cameron stages his lame PR stunt and officially takes a dump on Christianity, now everyone in Hollywood will feel they can throw their hands up and say "Hey, hey, hey! Don't aim any anger this way! Don't go hurting MY box office and don't lump ME in with that egotistical nut! See? I actually LIKE religion!"

Oh how I love a good bubble bursting.

I AM SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of all this religious BS. Religion is overrated. Period.

That's right, I said it. I'll catch all kinds of flack for this, but I'm of the opinion the Christian Jesus Christ never existed. If you think I'm crazy, check out: rookthehistorian.blogspot.com or any of the other sites presenting solid evidence that Christ was a fictional creation. You can call me crazy if you want, which is fine, but I try to base my beliefs on evidence not faith. Dismiss me if you wish.

I'm more fired up for "Avatar".

That's what the power of suggestion is for. Suggest, suggest, and suggest again that you have the answers to all of life's questions, and the aforementioned unquestioning masses will start believing you, regardless of the evidence. That's what faith is.

You're right.

that said, who in their right mind can make the claim that they've found the bones of Jesus Christ? How could you possible prove it - even to yourself. it all comes down to faith and belief. And hear me well people, faith and belief is NOT proof of anything.

anyone who's spirituality is based on a human centric personification of Gods is just wrong. The claimis that there is a seperate entity, a being much like a man that created the earth. C'mon. If such is the case then why does God have hands, feet, a head, or a penis? really now? We are all drops of water that make up this great ocean..... and I think George Lucas nailed it in the original trilogy with his explanation

As for jesus... well... forget what people preach and actually read the frigen bible. when you study it, delve into what is written, and not just 1 version, but several different interpretation, you'll come to a few amazing things. mostly that Jesus didn't exactly perform miracles as such, but merely enlightened people thought patterns, and that we are from the earth - the dirt specifically - if that aint laying down the claim we evoloved then i don't know what is. Oh, and Adam and Eve were not the only people wondering around. read Cain & Abel.

As for James Cameron, stick to film making & visual effects. You're making a complete butthole of yourself

excuse me, but I've just read this whole talkback, and I'm a student of the bible, and I'm very much NOT a christian.

As well as all kinds of other neat stuff. You're all welcome in advance.

It's called the HAL(Hybrid Assistive Limb).

That site isn't too informative, but I trust you know how to use the power at your fingertips. ;)

That link is much better. Cyberdyne is the company...which sounded creepily familiar until I remembered that Globodyne is the company that employs Jim Carrey in _Fun with Dick & Jane_.

So in all reality, noone else really believes that nonsense other than the Jehovah's Witnesses...which ironically have more than 144,000 followers. And I find that hilarious.

Sadly...you have Christianity confused. "The devil and the angels who where on his side knew he was real and the still said fuck him!"

Riiiiiiiiiiight.

Ignorance at it's finest.

I don't go to church, I'm not a textbook Christian, I havbe however studied many religions because I don't firmly believe in saying "my religion is all true and yours is wrong so you're going to hell for not believing what I believe." And I'm not trying to have any debate about who's the better Christian here. I was simply trying to humor you and answer your ignorant ass questions that you insisted on someone answering.

I can break that down into more easily comprehensible words if that was too much for you, but either way you're welcome in advance.

"2nd) If only 144,000 get to go to heaven and aborted babies instantly go to heaven there's no room for any born person to get into heaven anyway... Sorry people!"

Those are your words, quoted verbatim.

You directly reference Jehovas Witnesses in your original post as ONE OF THE TWO REASONS YOU THINK CHRISTIANITY IS BULLSHIT.

So yes, in reality you did say Christianity is bullshit because of the Jehovah witnesses beliefs.

Just stop already, you're making about as much sense as putting a screen door on a submarine.

Educate yourself. I feel like I'm beating up a handicap kid here in the sense that you and I having a debate...it's just not fair to you.

I'm hoping not. If so, you have me all wrong. I never said who was right and who was wrong. I think you meant to respond to ODMB.

I do however think a religion based souly on believing only a certain amount of people get into heaven (in this case 144,000) is silly. Simply because, in reality...there are far more than 144,000 avid JH followers. Get my drift?

I'm just a bit confused because you quoted me, but responded to ODMB.

Awesome post though StrangeCo. I firmly believe the basis for almost every religion is faith.