Yes, I was a lonely child... *sigh*

Yes, dog pee on robot is comedy at its finest.

Amsterdam: "your not a fan"

Guy#2: " AM SO!"

Amsterdam: " ARE NOT!!" Guy#2: "Your a poopoo HEAD!!"

Amsterdam: "AM NOT!!" *sobs and runs away*

Oh and hey yack!! i missed you! I was dam sure you would be in here whining! Good to see that you are consistent =P You have not been checking your messages on myspace, i sent you one!

This movie is going to kick ass!! Bay is the best director since UWE Boll....I LOVED alone in the dark!

*giggles like japanese school girl with bad english dub*

Hey Mori...good to see you out and about, you sexy humourless stud! *gives peace sign* Makiko.

And in another part of town bumble bee gags and ties megan fox to a chair torturing her to NIN playing on his radio. *gags* I will take my chances with Bay.

j/k ;)))

Man, there's gonna be some shit flying at the next toy con I go to - can smell it already. You think the SW prequels polarized a fanbase? Just wait.

But if it makes you feel better my children...VENT AWAY! it amuses. I actually agree with Mori for once, it never did a huge pop cross over and is limited mostly to our generation in terms of fan base. It is a movie! and that means "the powers that be" are thinking about a huge cash in nd revamping something that appeals to more then just a bunch of dudes in glasses snorting and playing with themselves to pictures of "Deana troy". =P

Bay:"Yeah - I'll direct *that*!"

In my opinion you sounded like an ass with your last statement, why is okay for people to come in here saying "this movie is going to chew" and then when someone speaks up and says " i think i might give it a chance and regardless of who directs it or how much its changed....i might still enjoy it" They are blasted as "non fans" or told they obviously do not care about the original series. I happen to dig nostalgia just like mori, but there is nostalgic fuzziness ,then there is "reality" and the truth of reality is....transformers was a subpar cartoon, that we are all fond of because it represents a part of our lives that we no longer have *or ever will*.... "our childhood" I suggest you start "manning up" If your opinion involves bitching..cool, but dont start pissing vinegar on someone else for stating their opinion

Makes you look like a jackass.

"Notice Moriarty sounds like a suit every day" If you are trying to involve everyone else in your sandbox antics..dont bother, we can form our own opinions of Mori thank you! We do not need you to point it out for us. I do think he is humourless and needs to take that huge stick out of his rear, but i also have some respect for the name calling and shit he puts up with on here. If i were him i personally would have booted alot of people from this site that he has not....including me =P

Grow up.

Montag, Bay did have a massive seizure, just not sure if it was the result of a cocaine overdose.

Usually, the people throwing that "go get laid" shit around are people who themselves place such a high priority and magic importance to getting laid. This is just getting tiring in this day and age.

For those who call Mori out on being a studio shill need to read some fellow TBers comments. Apologists for both sides always pop up and spout from on high.

Tonight, I will have sex yet again. And I will still be pissed off that Hollywood continues to treat every concept/property as pure objective property, to be manhandled and molested by the highest bidder.

At least this has transforming autos/giant robots. Underdog has a dog in a cape and calls itself an updated treatment. Crap.

Fact.

Well, here we are with yet another report confirming that the February script is, or nearly is, the shooting script. I wonder if Ironhide still wants to murder Sam's parents, or did they wisely remove that bit?

Once the kids were asleep, the lovin' was great. TAKE THAT FOOD NETWORK!!

You're getting waaaay too literal. I was just over-exaggerating to be snide. Just making the point that people, by and large, are two-faced little shits that evaluate who and how and why and where their behavior calls for accepting others.

Let people get pissed off about their toys being molested by some hack director. Maybe one day, the more people get pissed off at the utter crap Hollywood feeds them, the fewer shitty "franchise" movies like this we (as a Glass Teat-suckling society) have to put up with.

I'm just fighting for their rights to complain about their favorite toy being dildoed. Me, I'll be in the theater watching giant robots and thinking, "Ok - no need for sequels please!"

I, too, would rather fuck than argue about (or even play with) action figures.

Unless it was a Vampirella figure. Then, I need to be alone for a few.

Bias against anyone is bias. All I was saying.

As a huge science fiction movie fan, I find myself strangely indifferent toward this film. It might suck, might be great. I don't really care.

Michael Bay is all about mass-appeal special effects and nothing else. That's been enough to make him a lot of money, which I can respect, but someone (Yackbacker?) posted that his movies are totally forgettable the moment you leave the theater. I agree. Bay is only one step up from Uwe Boll in this department.

C' mon - fess up.

Let's review: **SPOILERS**

1. the movie is more about Sam than the robots

2. cookie cutter characters we can "relate" to, such as soldier boy with his new born baby he's never seen before **sniff weep**

3. McGuffin plotline, cuz that's never been done before

4. cheesy ass typical love story between the nerd and the girl with a "troubled" past

5. overuse of "more than meets the eye" (3 times at last count)

6. eBay, XBox, and GM cars - roll eyes

7. what page does the robot plot acutally start on? yeah thought so

8. except for a brief shot at the beginning, Megatron plays little or no role in this film until the very end

9. all of the Decepticons die except Starscream

10. on that note, the little boy kills Megatron

So Hydra_Lord, what did I leave out that you found "quite good"?

Oh let's not forget the brilliant scene where Bumblebee pisses on the G-Man, that's some brilliant fucking writing right there, WOO BOY!

I mean... who is Bay targeting with this crap? My family hits the major demographics and yet his feature remains a no-sale. What's a late-30s fanboy to do?

Still waiting for cable...

;^ )

Fuck you too Mr.Bay.

Bottom line: Hey, I remember watching Adam West as Batman as a kid on TV in syndication and as a kid I enjoyed it for what it was AT THAT TIME. But God knows when I was older and Warner Bros chose to make a big budget film for a NEW generation -- and that's the key here, it was created to bring in a NEW legion of fans -- that the SMARTEST decision they made was to NOT dress Batman in a tacky Gray cloth and Blue shiny spandex costume and go with the rubber molded suit instead. Because now Batman, on the big screen, actually looked kick ass. And similarly I didn't mind when Nolan came in and changed the suit yet again to suit his interpretation.

Someone along the way pointed that out and I totally agree totally. I look at this as Bay and Spielberg's interpretation of TF -- and let's face it, the haters here always focus on Bay, but Speilberg deserves credit OR blame for the final film too since he's had such an active hand in it. And as someone else noted, if the film is a big hit, the next guy will put HIS spin on the franchise as well, much like each different director brought a tone to the POTTER films or any other multi-film franchise you can think of that changed creative hands.

So me, I look at this as TF for TODAY'S kids who likewise EXPECT certain things to look "cool" in particular ways onscreen. Frankly, looking back on the cartoon, it's like Batman's suit. Optimus Prime the cartoon design would look rather bland onscreen in a big budget movie. Hey, just remember he was designed to look that way for animation reasons, to keep detail work down to make it easier to animate, problems which 20-30 years later and given advances in computer animation and such have disappeared. Frankly, I realize I'm a more casual fan of the TF, but I think everything I've seen so far from the movie looks kick ass. I know I'll be there opening day. And I suspect I'll get what I want: Giant Robots kicking the shit out of each other, with lots of explosions and destruction. Gee, maybe it's me, but that sounds like a big budget Michael Bay summer time blockbuster type film to me, just what I WANT to see come Fouth of July weekend...

TOS BSG was about the holocaust of billions of people, and from there we got SpaceBalls. New BSG took the horrible happenings of the premise and treated it seriously. But I can still recognize the story, the Galactica, Vipers, the ragtag fleet, and even the CG Cylons. New BSG took all of the good elements of the OS, ejected the bad elements, and made sensible changes. Yes, some of those changes were controversial, like girly Starbuck, but does anyone (besides purist fucktards) care about any of those controversial changes anymore?

So now we're getting a re-imagined Transformers, only it's not being treated seriously, in fact it's arguably more campy than the original because live action movies shouldn't be this intellectually insulting...oh wait, Michael Bay. So many changes have been made, many making ZERO sense at all, that this movie doesn't even remind me of the original.

Odd bit of trivia--that 7.1 puts Transformers The Movie above every Michael Bay movie except The Rock in terms of IMDB rating. And it ties The Rock.

By the way, Independence Day? Another movie with a worse IMDB rating than TF:TM. Huh.

1: You can say it was a rock-em-sock-em robot fight and just a toy commercial, but Pirates of the Caribbean was an advertisement for a fucking theme park ride. Doesn't mean good things didn't come from that "crassest possible place", and it doesn't negate people's attachment to the characters that were created for it.

2: Yes, it's changed many times. Please, though, tell me in which incarnations of Transformers they were lovable bumblers, or in which a human character was the ostensible star of the show. Look, comparing these differences to the differences in, say, the Spider-Man movie or even the X-Men movie is ridiculous, these aren't cosmetics, these are the fundamental nature of the characters and the concept.

3: And that is exactly the reason the dismissive "flames on Optimus" talk is making you sound like a dick. When you assert that these cosmetic changes are the most significant, then you undermine the very idea that there are non-cosmetic changes in the film, or, in fact, any depth to the original material beyond the cosmetic. The fact is, your entire stance is based on the simple premise that all your bullshit fanboyisms are better than our bullshit fanboyisms. Statements about how funny you'll find it when all the fanboys are pissed off and everyone else loves it are nothing more than saying "you deserve to suffer for being so ignorant as to care." Yeah, that kind of attitude makes you a dick.

BUT SERIOUSLY - DROPPING AIDS JOKES IN A TRANSFORMERS TALKBACK???

How pathetic can you get?

And you're a damn American hero for banning Mr. Mean Gaius, one more troll tossed into the bin.

Rather than go into more I want to say that you showed impressive level-headedness and far more understanding than I have seen in many of these talkbacks. It takes a big man to appologize and I can respect that. Good on you. I hope you get what you want from this film, all this does is confirm that which I have seen, heard, and read about this film from friends working on it or given opportunities to share in making this film the steaming pile of not Transformers that it appears to have been described as in this article.

Question to TheRealMoriarty, why "TheReal"? Can't you just ban or edit the screenname of the guy calling himself Moriarty? Just sayin'. Thanks again for the apology Mori, my geeky heart strings were touched by your thoughtfulness. My next message directed to you will have to be negative though so the peanut gallery doesn't accuse me of kissing ass. Sorry, them's the breaks of being a TalkBacker. LOL

Just so you know Pharty, Moriarty banned another troll loser today from this very forum, so please renew your trolling ways, we enjoy a good banning.

Now that would have been a movie even Mori couldn't hate on. Transformers vs He-men (vs GI Joes also to complete the trifecta). Throw in some Thundercats a cameo by Voltron and decapitated Rainbow Brights it would be just like the good old days.

I'm starting to wonder what this "Astrotrainwreck" of a movie is gonna look like. I've gotten over the fact that it's not G1, thus I don't really condider it "Transformers" (TINO!!), still have no respect for Bay as a director (his Raiders comment only further secures my opinion) and indeed EVERYTHING we've "seen" so far come RIGHT OUT OF the Feb '06 leaked script. SO, whatever they "changed" since that draft, it wasn't much.

this filme is a farce being perpetrated upon the ignorant movie-going public. Much like Elektra and Catwoman were. And Norbit.

In old TB news....

"The movie takes a decidedly wacky turn when Prime humps a Dodge Caravan and Bumblebee, after stroking his driveshaft, shoots oil all over the garage."

Whoever said that way, way up there- KU-fuckin-DOs for making me laugh my ass off.

It is commonly known that George Lucas held out his contract for the profits of commercial tie-ins. Hence, STAR WARS is ALSO a TOY COMMERCIAL.

Despise Jar Jar? Too fucking bad. It was just a toy commercial. But that saber duel with Maul RAWKED!!

::sigh::

sorry, can't do "tiny URLS" from the work computer.

It's not just one thing that makes this film seem to piss poor, it's a combination of Bay, bad script, and for me, the departure from some of the more importnant elements of the G1 series. And I mean more about the stroy between the TFs and their struggles over Earth's energy resource rather than a humanized "Boy Meets Car" story.

I'm fairly over it all though and now pretty much just enjoy 1) reiterating that this movie should NOT be called Transformers (TINO!) and 2)the AICN Talkbacks for it.

There you go.

I think this was alluded to by someone else earlier in this TB, but I'll reiterate: This film is basically alien robots invading the Earth and fighting each other. Premise sounds cool. If this film was NOT called "Transformers" you bet there'd be some interest in and of itself. Even with the cliched "comedy" moments with Shia and his pet Underdog , etc, as well as the contrived action sequences that will result from Bay's involvement and this would still be a campy, but big budget summer movie that might be enjoyable for the sheer "guilty pleasure" factor. Not everyone would like it, many would say "hey, robots from outer space that can change their shape to earthly forms? This sound like a TF rip off!" And in concept it might be, but NOBODY would mistake it for Transformers. The title and a few names (plus Optimus's basic Earth form) are the only relics of the G1 show which created this profitable property. And I think those were really only done to give something "identifiable" for the marketing team to use.

My biggest gripe is using the name which embodies alot of history for this property, very little of which is being used in this movie.

That said, if Bay and co had just come out from the beginning and said "Guys, we're making a TF movie, but it's goign to be a departure from the G1 stuff. Sorry, but that's the fact." I'd have felt disappointed, but at least not felt deceived. This whole last year has been stringing the "fan community" along. Incidentally it's funny that peopel argue that the fan base is "not bg at all" b/c the first thing Spielberg said was that he was "a fan" (dubious) and the first public announcements about this film were all things that would only have appealled to fans sensibilities. It when the cracks in the story started showing that people started getting up in arms about it, I think. At least for me it was. Look at that Megatron abomination (no offense Abom). Or should I just call it "MINO!"

Anyway, good for the TF fans who have no issue with the film whatsoever. You can't please everybody all the time, right? I guess my personal perspective is to have high standards for things that have alot of meaning for me and if they aren't being met, then it needs to be done another way.

But it is being done. And that's fine cuz there wasn't a live action TF movie before and sense this film is Transformers In Name Only, there won't really be one afterward either.

(no, not THAT "pride and joy- I'll let wanna_bannana have that one)

FUCK PROOFREADING!

And for the hard returns, you've gotta use html-esque tags.
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Like this.

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for break (minus dots)
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Type "". That will break.

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Christ.

So let me put it this way less-than-br-greater-than = break.
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God damn it.

It is my strong opinion that Transformers is = or < Electra or Catwoman, they spent assloads of money on the robot effects and forgot to tell a good story.

What did I expect from a Transformers film? More than we're fucking getting, that's for damn sure.

Kira - I agree with what you're saying about inadvertantly creating something that kids latched onto. There were a lot of similar cartoons about good vs. evil around that time, or a few years before hand. But none were as popular as Transformers. So TF obviously had some sort of magic to it.

It also reminds me of Robotech. When Macek wanted to import "Macross" to North America. He didn't have enough episodes in order for it to get syndicated due to N. American broadcasting rules (or something.) So he also bought rights to SDF: Southern Cross, and Mosipeda (sp). Then of course he had to re-write much of it so that all three flowed together. He came up with "protoculture" and worked it in through the three shows and created Robotech. Another product that people are very attached too, and one which if Michael Bay got his hands on, would Make Rick Hunter a Girl, Veritech's into Tanks, and change the Zentraedi into big robots.

Jegoing - Love the He-man/Bay parody =).. heh heh

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