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First by arrangedletters	Feb 14th, 2007 04:03:11 AM
maybe
The crazy Jim Robinson by Leopold Scotch	Feb 14th, 2007 04:04:53 AM
What won't he do?
Dude... by ShatirLavan	Feb 14th, 2007 04:08:50 AM
Where's my smoke monster?
the 815ers by inter bauer silent leges	Feb 14th, 2007 04:12:10 AM
would be interesting if they hadn't added so many elements/characters that they barely have time to develop properly.
KILL SAWYER NOW!!! by Shermdawg	Feb 14th, 2007 04:24:24 AM
They'll be casting Metal Gear soon!
Herc, enough with the quotes in the article titles! by brokentusk	Feb 14th, 2007 04:51:16 AM
We don't care that you've seen the episode before us! Every time you stick a quote from the episode in the headings to your articles, it reveals something that happens in the episode that I DON'T WANT TO BE REVEALED UNTIL I WATCH THE DAMN EPISODE! Give me a friggin' choice at least!
Solid Sawyer by caninedevotion	Feb 14th, 2007 05:02:16 AM
I highly doubt an MGS movie will be good, but man does Sawyer look exactly like Solid Snake. He also has the acting chops. I think Christian Bale would pull it off in a more interesting way, but the movie is beginning to look a little too "B" for the B-cum-A-lister that Bale is.
I deduced from ep .3.7 that by emeraldboy	Feb 14th, 2007 05:02:40 AM
This dharma crowd are a cult and a powerful one. If you look at the scene where she is in the morgue looking at the remains of her late husband who was "conviently" run down by a bus, dr albert says something about her pregnant sister, juliet says how do you know about my sister and dr albert says we have a very thorough recruitment process. They wanted Dr juliet burke, but her husband wouldnt allow it, so they killed her husband and left her with no alternative but to join the dharma initiative. bastards
Man did I laugh... by tie3456	Feb 14th, 2007 05:07:48 AM
...when I read over at SpoilerFix that the show creators said that even though Nikki and Paolo are universally hated, that soon we the viewers would find them iconic. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Just lost all faith in this show.
To be fair by Leopold Scotch	Feb 14th, 2007 06:01:12 AM
They alluded to Sawyer when they spoke about fans hating Paolo and Nikki. Granted, I'll be mightily impressed and surprised if they successfully turn around the hatred for the new characters like they did with Sawyer, who was insufferable in the pilot, but it's a fair comparisson given that I remember watching the pilot and wishing someone would shoot Sawyer. Last week his Chewie line was great.
"The very wet Claire" by Itchy	Feb 14th, 2007 07:04:58 AM
Schwing. I'm there. She's unbelievably hot. Her character annoys the shit out of me ... but she sure looks nice.
"There’s a lot of set dressing this week" by Itchy	Feb 14th, 2007 07:06:03 AM
No shit. There's a lot of set dressing every week. It is just never used for anything. That's kind of the problem. Let's move along, producers, and start moving towards .... something.
We need a "Takes a Shit Guy"-Centric Episode by Itchy	Feb 14th, 2007 07:07:05 AM
Complete with flashbacks. How did he get in the shitter ? Did he have the right kind of toilet paper ? What was he reading on the dumper ? Did they have Dharma-branded lysol in there ? These are the questions the fans need answered.
Sawyer's lines by Itchy	Feb 14th, 2007 07:09:41 AM
are actually pretty hilarious. He's dropped a few Star Wars resets, like referring to Hurley as Jabba and referencing the Chewie trick last week. It's hard not to like Sawyer as time goes on.
You're in luck Itchy by Banky the Hack	Feb 14th, 2007 07:16:21 AM
There will be a Nikki and Paulo centric episode soon. And Lindelof promises that it will take these characters to "iconic status". I am dying to see how they swing this...
Call Me... Plissken by spud mcspud	Feb 14th, 2007 07:26:39 AM
Sawyer for Solid Snake? For sure, but he'd be a fantastic Snake Plissken - if John Carpenter can ever get off his fried-chicken eating ass long enough to make another movie! Ah hell - why not Sawyer for Ash in the Evil Dead remake? You know it makes sense. That is all.
"The very wet Claire" by Furor	Feb 14th, 2007 07:47:01 AM
Would have been better in a HEROES talkback :/
Cap'n Jack by biggles2_22	Feb 14th, 2007 08:15:01 AM
If lovin' me some Heroes-Claire is pedophilia, then call me Michael Jackson. Also, Desmonds final prediction, "No matter what you do, you're gonna die.". But isn't that true for all of us.
NIKKI AND PAULO GOTTA DIE by Onset	Feb 14th, 2007 08:29:32 AM
thank god they're not in this episode.
C'mon Capn by biggles2_22	Feb 14th, 2007 08:37:04 AM
You can't tell me you wouldn't hit that. Jeez, man did you see her in her hip huggers last week? Ouch!
Itchy you are right on the money... by trafficguy2000	Feb 14th, 2007 08:37:40 AM
Did he strain?, Did he have any peanuts or cabbage that day? Did he have to pull an Eddie Murphy and stick his head up his ass and yell "IS THAT ALL THE SHIT I'M GONNA GET?!" ?
Just a fact, Cap'n Jack by RenoNevada2000	Feb 14th, 2007 08:46:12 AM
Seventeen is either the age of consent or above the age of consent in many states.
Leopold Scotch by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 08:50:45 AM
The only difference between Nikki & Paolo and Sawyer, though, is that people didn't like Sawyer because he was kind of a dick, whereas people don't like Nikki and Paolo just because they're there. They can make the two of them as likeable as they want, but I'll be pretty impressed if they are ever well-liked by fans of the show. Unless they're "well-liked" in the sense that they're much better characters than whoever else the writers awkwardly introduce as the series goes on.
How to salvage Nikki & Paolo... by biggles2_22	Feb 14th, 2007 08:59:25 AM
have the castaway's constantly "walking-in" on them while their just about to get-it-on! Make them comic relief.
biggles by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 09:03:19 AM
Funnily enough, that was how the two were originally going to be introduced; Claire was going to stumble upon them bumping uglies in Jack's tent.
"That actress is 17" by Furor	Feb 14th, 2007 09:13:41 AM
And the character she plays is only 16! Lock me up!
Cap'n Jack, Me thinks thou art a tad bit... by biggles2_22	Feb 14th, 2007 09:30:06 AM
...in thy wrong century.
Consent by CorpseRide	Feb 14th, 2007 09:35:58 AM
Age is 16 here in the UK. That means I have no qualms about Alex. Big noses and lips do it for me, what can I say? In fact the actress is 18, so I can even marry her without her parents' consent! Yay. As i understand it, the Nikki and Paulo -centric episode is 3.14. And I think you're misunderstanding the word 'iconic'. It's not a synonym for likeable... just means that they'll be associated witha certain image or concept... could just mean a SPECTACULAR death... ;-)
Yep by Leopold Scotch	Feb 14th, 2007 09:35:59 AM
Fair point Ribbons. As I said, I'd be surprised and impressed if they pull it off. The way they were introduced pissed so many off. I'd love if they played on that and had some major star come up from the beach and Charlie says "Hey, Billy: stop goofing around and come help us for once" after three frickin years.
There's going to be a new series regular named Roy... by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 09:45:52 AM
"Sup, Mr. S?"
Lost by Nabster	Feb 14th, 2007 09:48:43 AM
the true story of what might have happened.
Cap'n Jack, good luck! by RenoNevada2000	Feb 14th, 2007 09:50:16 AM
Have fun trying to convince Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington and West Virginia into leaving the Union. Of course, there are 14 states which you could move to.
A Wet Claire by SteelSimian	Feb 14th, 2007 09:51:04 AM
I think a Wet Emilie De Ravin is a little more enticing than a wet Hayden Panettiere. Just my own personal preference. That Australian accent kinda clinches it for me. Oh, and that fact that Panettiere is still a minor. Almost forgot to mention that.
don't forget... by maxwell's hammer	Feb 14th, 2007 09:52:38 AM
...Texas!
Capn' Jack by CorpseRide	Feb 14th, 2007 09:56:39 AM
Your last comment contradicts itself. Get with the logic! :-D
When Sawyer and Kate will return [spoiler]: by CorpseRide	Feb 14th, 2007 10:06:50 AM
It won't be until episode 3.10... two more weeks, MGS fans.
LOL @ Cap'n Jack by CorpseRide	Feb 14th, 2007 10:25:42 AM
Considering that's most of the US right there, I guess the USA taken as a whole is "child abuse friendly"? Can you say ISSUES? :-D
It's called "google" by RenoNevada2000	Feb 14th, 2007 10:26:53 AM
It's called "Google." Really handy for getting facts before opening one's mouth. The facts are this- there are 36 states and the DIstrict of Columbia where it is legal to have sex when someone is 16 and/or 17. You may disagree with it and find it a personal affront to your own personal morals. Fine. However, that does not make a person a "pedophile" in any sense of the word except your own definition. You have no idea of the age of the poster of the original comment, do you? What if they're 15? 17? 20? You could define a pedophile as anyone who engages in sex outside of marriage and that doesn't make it any more legally binding. If your assumptions about me being pro-child abuse are any example of your powers of deductive reasoning, I think we can safely disregard anything you have to say about anything.
Lostaways vs. Others by PantherMatt	Feb 14th, 2007 10:51:22 AM
Sorry, Herc, but I didn't start watching this show because of the Others, and I'd stop watching the show if started revolving around the Others. Personally, I much preferred the Others when they were mysterious whispery inviso-goblins, in the woods. I am quite thrilled that Hurley and Charley will be getting more than their typical two lines this week. Only saddened to learn that our other Series "Regulars" will be absent. The Others aren't boring, per se, but they're just the poor man's Cylons: Once Mysterious bad guys with fertility issues.
People don't like Take a Shit Guy? by Childe Roland	Feb 14th, 2007 10:51:42 AM
WHat the hell's the matter with all of you? He's the character in this show I relate to most in that he is often so disinterested in what's going on that he has no problem leaving the room to drop a deuce and then having his hottie significant other explain everything he missed when he gets back. Take a Shit Guy is the fucking king.
Why the Others suck by billfro	Feb 14th, 2007 10:53:26 AM
'cause they don't make any sense. Don't get me wrong. The show is awesome and the first two seasons were amazing, including the enigmatic Others. It's easy to buy into the merciless wickedness of a mysterious and seldom seen villain... thrilling, even. But once they pulled the curtain back on these people all their allure and believability disappeared. They're stuck on this other island for god knows how long, tormented by god knows what kind of monster, then a plane crashes and a bunch of new people arrive, the first glimpse of the outside world for some time... and they kidnap, torture, and kill them? How is that the sensible thing to do? These people aren't even mad, they're just dumb. So Ben's got cancer and one of the new stranded is a doctor. So, make friendly and ask for his help? Nope. Kidnap him and his friends, torture them, and coerce the doc to save him. Really? Ben kidnaps Jack and then trusts him to perform surgery on him without betrayal? Come ON! And why won't any of the Others answer any of Jack's et al questions? Presumably SOME of the Others want to get off the island. None of them think it could be a good idea to exchange information? Reevaluate the situation? Or off Ben with a quick shot to the back instead of coercing Jack, the dude they abducted and who hates them all, to do it for them? What? Although, it's not like Jack and crew make much sense either. At the end of last week's ep, Ben convinces Juliet to abandon her hostile takeover and help Kate and Sawyer escape by whispering something to her. Jack doesn't know what, but it lets his friends escape just the same. He finally has the upper hand and can get some info out of her. She "owes" him that much. So what does he ask her? "What did he say to change your mind?" Not "what the hell is going on around here?" or "how did you get here?" or "why are you all being such pricks?" Nope. He just wanted to know what Ben said. Sure, turns out it was some pretty prolific info, but there's no way Jack could have predicted that. It was a terrible one question to ask. He might as well have asked her out on a date. Fuck them. They don't do or say anything that anyone in a comparable situation could reasonably be expected to do or say. And that drives me nuts. End.
It'll all come together... by FlipPA	Feb 14th, 2007 10:57:18 AM
...when they get to eyepatch guy at the Flame Station. You heard it here first! :)
FlipPA by PirateEmery	Feb 14th, 2007 11:02:02 AM
Actually, I have heard it before...
Childe Roland by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 11:03:15 AM
In theory, I have nothing wrong with Take A Shit Guy. In fact I got a guilty chuckle out of his "iconic" Take A Shit Scene. I just think the way he and his girlfriend have been worked into the plot so far has been mighty awkward. There's obviously their infamous introduction, and then Locke's bizarre expression of charity when he invited them along with him to come check out the Pearl, and then Nikki's 'brilliant' deduction while there ("What if some of these other TVs... work?"). Their 'seamless integration' into the show has been about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the face, which is why I personally think it would have been just as effective and quantifiably more awesome if they were introduced while being caught screwing one another.
billfro - the Others DO suck! by spud mcspud	Feb 14th, 2007 11:04:33 AM
billfro - You nailed every reason why I find LOST so goddamn frustrating at the moment - does it make me a bitch 'cos I watch it anyway? I'm hoping there's some great explanation for why Jack doesn't ask intelligent questions (like "What the fuck is wrong with you people? Can't you just say PLEASE?") or why the Others need help and try to get it by torturing people into helping them. Is Jack Bauer an Other? ;D Anyway, it better get better soon! Because I have a feeling that it might all start to tie in with a black alien ooze and infected bees and Mulder's disapperarance and DAMN YOU CHRIS CARTER!!!! Oh, and CorpseRide: you're giving us Brits a bad name. But then, your name is CorpseRide... ;p
Claire is Hayden Panty-a-licious by shellfishh	Feb 14th, 2007 11:10:08 AM
That is all.
For all those that love the regulars... by CorpseRide	Feb 14th, 2007 11:19:42 AM
...and want the Others in the background only... how do you feel about Jack? Cos next week it's back to the Others and Jack again. Except that after next week, you won't be seeing Jack again for a loooooooooooong time... if ever.
Fair enough, Ribbons. Although I should... by Childe Roland	Feb 14th, 2007 11:22:17 AM
...point out that Lost has never been that great with the introduction of new "good" characters. The Others, I think, they've handled in the right way, but just about every 818er they've introduced post pilot has either been a STar Trek redshirt (Professor Ka-Boom, for example) or a tailie that was shoehorned in during that other first 48 days episode and, either just as we were getting to like or hate them, was killed off. Anna Lucia I don't miss, but I thought killing off Hurley's new girlfriend was extreme and sacrificed potential plot intrigue. I may never forgive them for Ecko. I still watch the show, but I wasn't kidding when I say I know see things pretty much through Take a Shit Guy's eyes. The only difference is, I've been there from the beginning.
billfro baggins and tater mctater by Fount of Useless Info	Feb 14th, 2007 11:23:44 AM
I understand where you are coming from; the Others don't make any sense. The things they do are all screwed up and completely lacking in logic. Then again, I think there must be a reason for that. First, many of them have been on the island for a long, long time,if not their entire lives. Not the best for building people skills. Second, and likely more important is that they seem to be quasi-cultish. They don't ask for help because they believe that something is wrong with these other people. That's why they came and took the people they called "good" and left the others. When asked who they were, Ben referred to his people, who had killed, kidnapped, and tortured without ever giving a single reason, as "the good guys." No, what they do doesn't make sense...to us. For whatever completely screwed up reason, it does make sense to them. Now, for Jack not asking good questions, well...I can't help you there. Maybe he's too upset by everything to think straight or maybe he's a whiny, self-righteous douche who thinks that everyone should give him what he wants (even information) without asking. That seems in character for him, but I'm guessing he doesn't ask so that we, the viewers, are still in the dark...that and that he's a whiny, self-righteous douche.
Since when by skimn	Feb 14th, 2007 11:25:25 AM
did this LOST talkback become a discourse on shooting ones spunk on the belly of a teenager...?
...oh and by skimn	Feb 14th, 2007 11:27:59 AM
Happy Valentines Day all!! You can coerce the yung'uns with conversation hearts.....
CorpseRide by PantherMatt	Feb 14th, 2007 11:45:02 AM
Well, it's awful tough to put the toothpaste back in the tube, and now that the Others have been established, I hope they'll be handled well. I rather enjoy that I can't explain what the hell they're up to, or why they seem like such assholes. As for Jack: he's a regular, so I like to know whats up with him, but if he goes missing or whatever, I'm sure it'll make for good drama. As for Takes A Shit and his Girl, I just find them rather pointless. There are many other cast members they could use (Bernard, Rose, Charlie, Clare, Sayid, Jin, Sun, Hurley), as opposed to trying to get us to care about these new people. I still love the show, though...
Last week's preview by Jor-El23	Feb 14th, 2007 11:53:59 AM
I swear it showed Kate and Sawyer returning to the main island and saying they had to go rescue Jack. Am I just imagining this?
Introductions by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 11:57:46 AM
I don't know. For whatever reason, I didn't have a problem with either Arzt or the Tailies when they were introduced. Arzt was brash and kind of obnoxious to begin with, so when he walked up to the raft builders all "Scuse me. SCUUUUSE ME!!!! I have something to tell you!" it seemed okay (what was a school teacher doing in Sydney in the middle of September, btw?). There also wasn't two seasons' worth of "ignoring everybody else on the beach" baggage like there was when Nikki and Paolo suddenly appeared.
"DAMN YOU CHRIS CARTER!!!!" by Bono Luthor	Feb 14th, 2007 12:00:07 PM
I hear you spud mcspud, well said.
Jesus Stick Gotta Eat!! by Fire4Effect	Feb 14th, 2007 12:00:23 PM
Wonder if Locke is going to be carrying that thing around now?
Here's the thing... by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 14th, 2007 12:01:37 PM
...they won't or can't let go of the character flashback a-go-go formula. So either you get flashbacks with exponentially diminishing returns for characters already established (Locke on the pot far, Jin and Sun three) or they hurriedly introduce new characters to give flashbacks to. To make the show work better again one of the things they MUST do is let go of this formula. It doesn't mean never doing another flashback, or even another flashback dominated episode. It means using the flashbacks as a spice, maybe even their predominant, trademark spice, but as a spice. Sort of like the difference between a good curried dish and the ones you get so often where it drowns out every other taste in the food.
Panther Matt by CorpseRide	Feb 14th, 2007 12:03:07 PM
I hear ya. The intent seems to be that Patchy the Eyepatch guy takes over in terms of creepy mysteriousness.
Jor-el...and poopman and smartgirl. by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 14th, 2007 12:10:28 PM
Jo-rel. No you saw that just right. Guess they switched the order of the eps. And one of the multitude of problems with poopman and smartgirl are credibility. And it goes back to the fundamental questions that get asked a lot about the show. You know, why don't these people talk to each other, why don't they ask questions or act in any other way like normal people would? In what world do you find a hidden base with a wall full of monitors and NOT try to turn them all on? What? What? Just because the writers didn't think of it when they first showed them they have to condemn all the regulars who saw those sets to being as dumb and unrealized a fictional characters as they are creators? And they illustrate the value of Smartgirl by having her ask a question no one else thought of but my five year old would have asked within thirty seconds of entering the place? And that also illustrates why, when the show's apologists insist that "of course they talked about this, they just didn't use screentime to show it" or "of course they investigated that, they just didn't show us that they did" that it rings absolutely false. Because the show itself called you on it. Ah well, I still watch the damned thing every week, and I still like the core characters they haven't castrated yet.
According to Lindelof, wait for S4 for the good stuff by SpyGuy	Feb 14th, 2007 12:10:28 PM
Provided, of course, enough people are still watching by Season 4 and haven't given up on the X-FILESish "questions upon questions" style of storytelling. Still, at least Desmond, Charlie and Hurley get the screen time tonight, which is much more interesting than the Jack/Sawyer/Kate mehfest.
Ive actually been looking by Fire4Effect	Feb 14th, 2007 12:15:28 PM
Ive actually been looking forward to another Desmond flashback. Maybe it's because his character actually has some depth and that he will be playing a major role in the story this year. Its when the Paulo and Nikki flashbacks come into play that I will be tightening the noose around my neck.
There is, of course... by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 14th, 2007 12:16:19 PM
...an explanation that would answer my last complaints. That being that the Island didn't allow them to think about those other screens until It was ready for what they would show to be revealed. Maybe even that the Island would only allow Smartgirl to ask that question, possibly even only at that time. Which would also explain the amazing coincidence that Eyepatch was just posing in front of the camera right when it came on. But don't count on it.
A character we haven't met yet... by KaraIsACylon	Feb 14th, 2007 12:26:06 PM
The Writer... he has mystical powers to control the minds of all those on the island, to make them do illogical and strange things, to ignore the obvious and pursue the obscure... but sadly, they won't ever show him (though they may do the offscreen voice through telephone, like Charlie to the Angels) because he's FAR TOO UNTELEGENIC.
Paolo (TaS-Guy) centric episode... by MisterE	Feb 14th, 2007 12:32:26 PM
If Lost ever does a Paolo-centric episode, then every flashback should begin with him exiting a bathroom.
Karaisacylon... by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 14th, 2007 12:33:30 PM
...and so Patchy had his eye burned out from looking at the show's bible and was condemned to sit in a dark little room in front of a security camera. I get it. I hope Kate ends up being Boswell, giving Sawyer, Jack and Sayed their instructions.
Ribbons by PantherMatt	Feb 14th, 2007 12:46:55 PM
That hits the nail on the head! I didn't have a problem with Professor Dynamite either, because we weren't being denied a sufficient dosage of our regular Lostaways, and it made sense that some of the nameless on the beach would eventually step up and contribute. Nowadays, it's been made very clear that only the castaways whose names appear at the beginning of the episodes have the gumption to get off their asses and do things. All the rest... i dunno... maybe all the rest of them are mourning the loss of Shannon by working on their tans. Whatever it is they're doing, it makes the emergence of Takes A Shit and Exposition Girl a bit jarring...
EyePatch (CorpseRide) by PantherMatt	Feb 14th, 2007 12:50:14 PM
I eagerly await the mysterious Eyepatch! Hopefully he brings with him an Ethan Rom-y amount of creepy menace. However, if Eyepatch turns out to be an alchoholic Canadian named Saul, I will lose my mind (That was for you, Karaisacylon)
Patchy will Return.... by CorpseRide	Feb 14th, 2007 12:54:51 PM
...in 3.11, I believe. Paolo-centric is 3.14 I think (less certain on that).
But see, PantherMatt... by Childe Roland	Feb 14th, 2007 12:59:24 PM
...to me it makes more sense that some of those sunbathing mourners might eventually get bored and say "You know what? I'm going to follow the 'cool kids' today and see why they never seem to get bored." That., at least, makes far more sense to me than introducing a tail full of characters, developing each of them over several episodes (some with their own flashbacks, even) and then killing them off before their arcs acheive any sort of resolution or even make a significant contribution to the forward momentum of the overall story. Dynamite guy bugged me lots because he was clearly introduced for the sole purpose of being killed off, but I almost respect the ham-handed abruptness he was handled with more than the "well, this character was going to be integral to the plot eventually, but we sat on them too long and the actor decided to pursue other opportunities" or the "yeah, she was going to be important, but we don't like drunk drivers" approach they took to the majority of the tailies. Take a Shit Guy and smartgirl make much more sense to me from a "what would actual people do in this situation?" standpoint.
Jericho returns tonight by Big Jim	Feb 14th, 2007 01:08:09 PM
Remember? It's the show about post-nuclear attack society that spends its time debating city politics and having BBQs. (I mock, and yet I still watch)
Me too, Big Jim. by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 14th, 2007 01:10:45 PM
And I'm more ashamed of that than I am of still watching Lost. But I think it's just a recapper tonight.
Desmond denies rumors by GunsForHands	Feb 14th, 2007 01:11:19 PM
that he has guns for hands
Bonus scenes by Phimseto	Feb 14th, 2007 01:15:28 PM
From what I understand, "Lost" is going to start showing bonus scenes like at the end of "Battlestar Galactica". They are going to use these scenes to develop Nikki and Paolo, who haven't gotten much screen time yet. According to sources, each scene will involve Paolo shitting in a different location - behind a bush, behind a tree, behind a tend, etc. while he and Nikki complain about never being involved with island goings-on.
Bonus scenes by Phimseto	Feb 14th, 2007 01:15:34 PM
From what I understand, "Lost" is going to start showing bonus scenes like at the end of "Battlestar Galactica". They are going to use these scenes to develop Nikki and Paolo, who haven't gotten much screen time yet. According to sources, each scene will involve Paolo shitting in a different location - behind a bush, behind a tree, behind a tent, etc. while he and Nikki complain about never being involved with island goings-on.
Childe Roland... by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 14th, 2007 01:15:55 PM
...I share your frustration but I won't bang on the show for things beyond its control, like the guy who played Eko wanting out of the show. Could they have punished the other two in some less draconian fashion? Maybe. But I don't bang on them for that either, even though it reduced more than half of last season to filler of the most meaningless sort. And I kind of enjoyed professor redshirt, especially his conclusion. Now turning both Locke and Kate into blithering incompetents just to showcase what a wonderful, all-purpose herobot Jack was? That I'll blame them for all day.
Paolo's big reveal is even more tragic than Locke's. by Phimseto	Feb 14th, 2007 01:24:55 PM
We discover he was struck down in the prime of his life by Crohn's Disease.
Is Paolo the TAKE A SHIT GUY? by Pennsy	Feb 14th, 2007 01:42:32 PM
I'm so confused...
TaS-guy and EXP-girl, are a slap in the face... by Billyeveryteen	Feb 14th, 2007 01:42:33 PM
Clearly they are replacements for unruly "Tailies". I get that Childe likes the disintested prick, but it doesn't make them any less insulting.
Are we gonna see CGI'd Roy Scheider on here this season by Pennsy	Feb 14th, 2007 01:46:46 PM
??
I still don't get how they're a slap in the face... by Childe Roland	Feb 14th, 2007 01:53:45 PM
...though, Billy. I mean, it's cool not to like them. But how are they any less insulting than the tailies or Dr. Dynamite? And Red Ned, you're right, his ending was "Holy shit!" funny. If not having seen them before makes them somehow less legitimate, then the tailies, as Red Ned Pointed out, were really no more than meaningless filler. And it's not so much Paulo's disinterest that I like and admire, it's that he seems to represent that segment of the fan base that's still watching but not as closely as their significant others (essentially: "Okay, I'm back. WHat'd I miss, sugartits?"). If that's intentional (and I hope it is), then its a sign that the writers are still capable of brilliance and it gives me hope for the future of the show.
ChildeRoland by PantherMatt	Feb 14th, 2007 01:54:20 PM
I absolutely dig the idea of some No-Namers wanting to follow the cool kids, but let's SEE it, you know? I'm not talking about episodes-worth of Beach Denizens coming to the realization that they need to help, but it can be done subtley. Say... maybe Hurley has help one day taking inventory of the groceries, or something. Let us get a little used to these folks. But the sudden "Nikki and Paulo are essential to Locke's new scheme" is no good. The one thing Nikki and Paulo have going for them (for me)is that they have been extas since last year... I don't see how anyone can blame Lindleof and Cuse for the exit of Ecko. Dude demanded to be off the show. Also, I thought the offing of Ana Lucia was good, plot driven stuff. But the one I AM angry about is Libby. They just cut her out, mid story line. Weak. SUPER Weak. Anyway, I still anticipate Wednesday nights. After all, a bad night on Lost is still better than the best ever night of Jericho! Or just about anything else but Galactica and 24, for that matter...
Dharma is a by emeraldboy	Feb 14th, 2007 01:56:44 PM
cult. it is no coincedence that Ben was looking for spinal surgeon and Voila he got one. He was looking for someone to cure his cancer and he ended up with a clinical doctor ie Dr Juliet Burke. Where does ethan come from? he is a dharma drone but he could have been a paedatrician. Hurley is on the island because dharma is using him to discover about weightloss. He never gets thin. diet maybe? The dharma cult is divided into militia, medical, phsychological, theraputical areas. There are more. The island is Huge. If you need more explanaiton that it is a cult. There was a screening room with a guy in chair in it with huge coloured glasses and loud music with rapid images being projected on to a screen.
Dharma is a by emeraldboy	Feb 14th, 2007 01:56:49 PM
cult. it is no coincedence that Ben was looking for spinal surgeon and Voila he got one. He was looking for someone to cure his cancer and he ended up with a clinical doctor ie Dr Juliet Burke. Where does ethan come from? he is a dharma drone but he could have been a paedatrician. Hurley is on the island because dharma is using him to discover about weightloss. He never gets thin. diet maybe? The dharma cult is divided into militia, medical, phsychological, theraputical areas. There are more. The island is Huge. If you need more explanaiton that it is a cult. There was a screening room with a guy in chair in it with huge coloured glasses and loud music with rapid images being projected on to a screen.
Of course Desmond can see the future.... by I Own You	Feb 14th, 2007 01:57:31 PM
it's part of the experiment, as suggested last week. Spoiler?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Z7swZaOWO3c
one more time... by I Own You	Feb 14th, 2007 02:03:21 PM
Seems the link sucks, go to YouTube and search for "lost backward audio video".
Paolo and Nikki were extras last year? by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 02:26:32 PM
Nah-uh, bra! What you smokin?
We were supposed to give a shit about the "Tailies"... by Billyeveryteen	Feb 14th, 2007 02:30:07 PM
An interesting way of introducing new characters. Then RESET. "Forget all that season 2 stuff please... Hey look!! 2 all new iconic characters! They we there ALL ALONG!" Insulting.
Only Fools Are Enslaved by Time and Space... by KaraIsACylon	Feb 14th, 2007 02:33:39 PM
But clearly the Others are fools... Otherwise (pun intended) why didn't Henry just go to a time and space when he didn't have cancer, and avoid getting it? I think the Others are just as trapped as the Lost.
Billyeveryteen by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 02:39:18 PM
Hey, there's always Bernard and Cindy the Flight Attendant... Hey, why are you laughing? I agree. I think it kind of sucks that most of the Tailies are gone. If it were only Ana-Lucia who died, or if Eko had died about a season later, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal. But since they plugged Libby, Ana-Lucia and Eko all within 8 episodes of one another, their subplot was like a fart in the wind.
I think I get you now, Billy. by Childe Roland	Feb 14th, 2007 02:44:51 PM
So what they ended up doing with the tailies was insulting to you and the Paulo/NIkki fix was no better. That makes sense. I guess I just figure if they can do the one, they should be able to do the other. As for Eko, PantherMatt, I know he wanted off. I just think that had he been better/more frequently utilized, they could've made his time with the cast mean more. And I think that, if push came to shove, they could've offered some additional incentive for him to stay (they had just freed up two salaries, after all). I agree that Libby's write out hurts a helluva lot more than Ana Lucia's. And it contributes to the idea that the writers really are making things up as they go along instead of sticking to an overall developing story (because she was clearly a link to Hurley's past that was going to be explored/developed further). I dunno. For the time being, I'm sticking with Paulo. WHen the shit goes down, at least you know he'll be there to flush it.
Ribbons by PantherMatt	Feb 14th, 2007 02:46:00 PM
Appearantly some pretty good shit, eh? I'm at work ( I know, I know, I shouldn't be on this site while at work), so I can't go back and confirm, but I coulda SWORN they were in the background in Season 2. If not, I got a whole big-ass list of folks who could tell ya it ain't the first time I've been wrong!!
ChildeRoland by PantherMatt	Feb 14th, 2007 02:53:06 PM
hahahahah! Nice one, bro! As to Eko, you make a good point, regarding keeping him around (and about his usage on the show. Honestly, and this may sound strange, given the damn near cataclysmic resolution to the Locke/Eko struggle, I thought the Locke/Eko-as-opposites story could've been a lot more visceral and immediate. Also, Terry O'Quinn has made comments as to him not liking the actor who played Eko (not even going to try his name) verymuch. Perhaps that's why the execs didn't make a stronger run at keeping him...
Billyeveryteen and Ribbons... by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 14th, 2007 02:56:52 PM
...I couldn't agree more that the deaths of these three characters reduced the majority of last season to filler. Subplots were set up which will never reach whatever resolution was originally planned (making the dangerous assumption that they originally were) and new characters had to be thrown into spots where they probably weren't intended to be. But given the beyond and somewhat beyond the control of the creators nature of the events that forced the performers (and therefore the characters) off the show I would be willing to let that pass. The Sopranos was never as good or operatic as it was during the first season, either, but I don't blame them for the second most pivotal member of their cast dying. And I can even at least withhold final judgment on the terribly banal nature of the Others which has been revealed, as the writers at least understood they were doing it with the Henry Gale false naming of Ben. So the Others weren't All That, and the Tailies stories never had a chance to develop into All That (assuming they might have). My fear here, and it has grown with each less-than-astounding revelation, is that sooner or later, for the show to continue, something has to be All That. Some reveal will have to be amazing, or offer an incredible reversal of expectations that still makes some logical sense when viewed in restrospect. (Okay, I see what I've done in trying to spell retrospect, but I like this brave new word, and I choose to let it stand). And they neglected the rest of the cast a lot last season while they were playing with those characters, and so far this season they've virtually abandoned them. If Herc finds the Others more interesting at this point maybe it's because we've barely seen the regulars for...forever. And in their short bits we have seen the characters of Locke and Sayed diminished a lot, so even when they were around they acted in ways that seemed to serve the plot at the expense of what they were established as. And given the wobbly way things have been progressing I'm afraid the showrunners don't have the All That reveals ready and don't have a clear notion how to get the handles back on the characters they have abandoned.
Nikki and Paolo: The Blue Lagoon by biggles2_22	Feb 14th, 2007 03:17:20 PM
Sure it'll be "soft-core", but great DVD watching. Who gives a shit?! Yeah, my man Paolo, that's who! Save Paolo shirts go on sale at savepaolo.com. Power to the redshirts!
"Further Instructions" by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 03:19:59 PM
I don't know about that. I think Locke's behavior in "Further Instructions" was both awesome and in character, although his hippie-dippie flashback is something I don't really want to get into. It's weird, because on paper, "Further Instructions" sounds like it'd be an awesome episode -- Locke wakes up in the jungle, sees a naked Desmond, feels remorse and tries to communicate with the island to figure out how to get back in its good graces, trippy airport sequence, some polar bear action, err... we'll just ignore the part about introducing Nikki and Paolo... and then smash cut to black. But that episode blew whale chunks. And I can't put my finger on why (well, certain moments were groin-grabbingly bad, but it was more than that). And I feel that way about a lot of Season 3, and I suspect that it's not just me. Something about it feels... off... somehow, but whatever it is, it's hard to articulate.
I agree that The Others are more interesting. by DarthCorleone	Feb 14th, 2007 03:23:17 PM
The most omnipresent complaint in discussions I've had with fellow fans is that they don't get why season three focuses so much on The Others. I could not disagree more. I hope this episode makes the main island equally compelling for me.
"The very wet Claire" by DarthCorleone	Feb 14th, 2007 03:23:54 PM
Hell, yeah!!!
Let's get back to talking about fucking teenagers by Itchy	Feb 14th, 2007 03:37:14 PM
It's far more interesting than Niki and Paolo. And FYI, last time I checked, chicks didn't magically just get hot the day they turn 18. If you weren't watching Party of Five back in the day thinking "I'd like to take a 4 year option out on that piece of ass" about the time little Claudia turned 14, there's something wrong with your eyes. How do you think Scott Baio used to land so much prime tail ?
Actually, The "take a shit" guy by Novaman5000	Feb 14th, 2007 03:37:35 PM
Paolo, and Niki, get their OWN FLASHBACK EPISODE coming in mid march. Not just that, but the creators said that if you hate them now, just wait until their episode. Apparently it's going to make them "Iconic characters". Whatever that means. Still, I'm intruiged.
Iconic?!? by Phimseto	Feb 14th, 2007 03:38:27 PM
"...when I read over at SpoilerFix that the show creators said that even though Nikki and Paolo are universally hated, that soon we the viewers would find them iconic." The only way that could come to pass if if Paolo straddles his ass over Nikki's mouth, Nikki says "ok, do it", and then he proceeds to drop a deuce right into it. Other than that, I'm pretty sure they are lost causes (no pun intended).
Yeah i actually think that their deaths will be crazy by Novaman5000	Feb 14th, 2007 03:40:36 PM
Like Arzt's death. I think it's going to be a HOLY FUCK! moment that lost fans will remember as fondy as they remember Arzt's mid-sentence explosion.
Ribbons, I totally agree by Novaman5000	Feb 14th, 2007 03:42:33 PM
Imagine if Locke had caught them in Sawyer's tent screwing eachother. Would have been great and awkward because the situation was awkward, not because they were so obviously introducing new characters.
That being said, I'm pretty much over it. by Novaman5000	Feb 14th, 2007 03:46:57 PM
It was awkward, i've moved on. Lost isn't perfect. If they can make these characters (N and P) worth a damn by the end, I'll have forgiven them.
Speculating on Nikki and Paolo's death scene... by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 03:57:46 PM
...if their hypothetical death scene is what would make them iconic, I imagine it going something like C3PO's encounter with a stormtrooper in 'Empire Strikes Back.' Nikki: "Oh no! We've just discovered that Hurley is a mole for the Others! We have to tell everyone!" Hurley: "I don't think so, bitch!" [stalks over to Nikki and Paolo, snaps their necks]
Really Ribbons? by Childe Roland	Feb 14th, 2007 03:59:26 PM
I was thinking Paolo would go out more like Vincent Vega in Pulp Fiction.
Well if the monster kills Paolo... by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 04:00:50 PM
...it'll be more like that dude in 'Jurassic Park.'
It would rule if... by Childe Roland	Feb 14th, 2007 04:22:11 PM
...the monster paused briefly and formed a face long enough to make a disgusted look. Then Paolo could shrug and it could lift him off the john with paper trailing from his arse like a streamer and drop him back into the bowl head first. I like Paolo, but I'd pay good money to see him go out like that.
Does everyone know about by raiden23	Feb 14th, 2007 04:43:39 PM
that brainwashing scene in last weeks episode? If you play it backwards there's a hidden message. Here's the youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Z7swZaOWO3c /only fools are enslaved by time and space
apropos -very wet- by AllieJamison	Feb 14th, 2007 04:58:14 PM
Jack's situation got tougher, Matthew Fox got sweatier, weaker, hotter and better.......I think.
Take a beer guy has a shit, cheats on his wife. by Bono Luthor	Feb 14th, 2007 05:00:25 PM
Maybe.
@raiden23: Bad link, sir. by SkidMarkedUndies	Feb 14th, 2007 05:03:39 PM
Got another?
Nicki and Paulo... by Professor Falcon	Feb 14th, 2007 05:07:10 PM
...will become the 2 skeletons found near the caves at the beginning of season 1. Trust me.
SkidMarkedUndies by VaderSabre	Feb 14th, 2007 05:13:42 PM
type in "lost brainwash" @ youtube...
Well the creators said the skeletons were coming back by Novaman5000	Feb 14th, 2007 05:18:16 PM
in a big way. We shall see. Also, could someone explain to me something?! Why are people saying Ben is Alex's father? Don't they never say who the man is, and only reference to him by "your father"? Why does it have to be ben?
Hmmm...Paulo's death... by tie3456	Feb 14th, 2007 05:20:16 PM
I'm reminded of an old flash cartoon I saw way back in the day...it was a guy sitting on a toilet, trying his best to squeeze out a particularly resistant deuce. As he squeezes and squeezes, his head turns bright red and begins to swell. Finally, at the moment of truth, his head EXPLODES, blood splatters everywhere, and his corpse slides off the toilet and onto the floor...and then, from his exposed ass, a turd leaps forth and nothing but nets it into the commode. Ah, iconic indeed.
Novaman by tie3456	Feb 14th, 2007 05:22:19 PM
I'm pretty sure when Alex leads Kate and Sawyer back to the hatch where her boyfriend is being held, the guard there (Aldo??) directly references the fact that Ben is her father.
Only fools are enslaved by time and space... by Bono Luthor	Feb 14th, 2007 05:24:34 PM
Shit. That gave me the same kind of feeling I had when I first saw the red room in Twin Peaks. Thanks for the pointer raiden23.
Tie, I remember that cartoon. by Novaman5000	Feb 14th, 2007 05:32:41 PM
I will also try to find a transcript of the ep. It seemed to me that no one ever actually said "ben".
Hayden Panty-tear by Animus	Feb 14th, 2007 05:37:50 PM
Save the cheerleader, save the bulge in many-a-pants.
You may be right Nova... by tie3456	Feb 14th, 2007 05:38:21 PM
I don't know if anyone ever explicitly says Ben is her father. I don't remember the exact dialog, but I think Alex says something to the guard about her dad being the one that sent her out into the jungle after Kate and Sawyer, and then when he doesn't believe her she says to go ahead and call him and ask. The guard then gets on the radio and says that he needs to talk to Ben. Also, later on at the boat, Sawyer makes a reference to Alex being "the boss man's daughter" but I don't think anyone confirms it one way or another. I'm going on a lot of memory here, so I may be off base.
I think it's been closer to 60 days now by tie3456	Feb 14th, 2007 05:40:36 PM
The episode from season 2 "The Other 48 days" signaled the first 48 day son the island. But then I think the entirety of season 2 only lasted maybe a couple of weeks. But, your point still remains...he's had a rough month.
Ribbons... by CorpseRide	Feb 14th, 2007 05:47:13 PM
... ar eyou joking about Cindy the Flight Attendant? Cos she's in next week's episode.
Gillian Anderson is remarkably hot... by Bono Luthor	Feb 14th, 2007 05:50:34 PM
although I'm not sure what that has to do with Lost? Besides the whole Twin Peaks, X Files lineage that it is possible to place Lost in. I hope the ending of Lost isn't like either of those. Twin Peaks was rushed and ultimately unresolved (although you can begin to resolve it for yourself if you pay enough attention to FWWM) and X Files was like watching a once beloved animal being put out of its misery. Lost, please don't go too soon or too late. End it on season 4 or 5 and you could pull of something that many have failed to do. DAMN YOU CHRIS CARTER!!!!
Professor Falcon... by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 14th, 2007 05:53:37 PM
...if you're guessing that you're a bloody genius. Let's hope you're not better than the writers.
Cindy the Flight Attendant by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 05:54:52 PM
No, I knew she was still alive. She was in one of those "Lost Moments" that they showed on ABC. I'm glad she's still alive, too, because she went out pretty ignominiously last year. "Hey, where's Cindy? Huh. The Others must have taken her. Oh well, so long Cindy." I wonder if they would have brought her back if they hadn't killed Libby.
You're right, Aldo does call for Ben by Novaman5000	Feb 14th, 2007 06:03:21 PM
Hmmm.
I still don't know if I buy it by Novaman5000	Feb 14th, 2007 06:04:42 PM
Aldo could have been calling for ben because ben said "if anyone comes to save him, call me" or something. Lost is tricky like that. Still, I'll assume for now it's ben, I guess.
Ah, LIbby. by CorpseRide	Feb 14th, 2007 06:05:36 PM
Confined to flashbacks for evermore! Yep, Cindy's back next week and I think so are those two kids (the brother and sister, with the teddy bear) that got snatched from the Tailie beach.
The only way.. by Fire4Effect	Feb 14th, 2007 06:39:44 PM
they could make Paulo an iconic character is if the next time he goes to drop a deuce he shits out Walt.
here's another link (audio only) by raiden23	Feb 14th, 2007 06:50:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =gwWhM8Xb_oQ
Attn Ribbons, Nikki and Paulo were extras by theotherother	Feb 14th, 2007 06:50:58 PM
in Season one, when Sawyer has headaches/ needs glasses, and the raft is being built, they are in the background building shelter..
USA Today Review Four Stars by NoPIX	Feb 14th, 2007 06:56:30 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/life/c olumnist/criticscorner/column. htm
Here it is by NoPIX	Feb 14th, 2007 06:58:36 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/life/c olumnist/criticscorner/column. htm
Oh fuck me!!!! by NoPIX	Feb 14th, 2007 06:59:36 PM
Just take out the spaces
PLEASE DON'T SPOIL IT FOR US CANADIANS! by Guerilla_Films	Feb 14th, 2007 06:59:41 PM
For your help, the USA will help you out in World War 3.
Otherother by PantherMatt	Feb 14th, 2007 07:01:00 PM
Dude, Theotherother rocks! or maybe he was smokin' the same stuff I was on, but I KNEW they were extras! Only, I thought it was season two. You seem to have the exact episode in mind though, so I defer to you!
Don't read tv casting news btw by Guerilla_Films	Feb 14th, 2007 07:01:14 PM
A MASSIVE spoiler, re: Libby leaving the season is on the tv news section of Yahoo this morning!
Watching it in Canada... by DanielKurland	Feb 14th, 2007 07:25:14 PM
Only half way through, but it has been fantastic so far. I love when this show gets me excited.
Jack and Ana by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 07:28:47 PM
Dude, it's not like they were old buds. They spent two minutes having a drink together at the airport bar. By the time he and Ana-Lucia were re-united, Jack knew pretty much everyone else on the beach better than he did her. That's not a "mystery."
You guys confuse me by NeoMyers	Feb 14th, 2007 07:32:09 PM
On the one hand, I read this Talkback every week and read how Lost sucks because it supposedly never answers questions. YET, now there's bitching because we don't see enough of the beach people. You can't have it both ways. Gay ass Charlie is not going to be solving island mysteries anytime soon. Fat ass (though cool) Hurley is too busy wandering around saying "Dude" to be much help. I've got a smartass thing to say about the rest of the beach loungers. The fact is, the show HAS given answers: How the plane crashed The Smoke Monster is (most likely) responsible for the apparitions on the island What's in the hatch What happens when the button's not pushed There's a whole other fuckin' island The Others have a Dharma base on that island The Others live in a weird, suburban community some place in the North of the main island And a whole bunch of other things that I've probably forgotten about. For this show to continue, there has to be continuous mystery or else it's watching Charlie piss the hell out of me on a weekly basis with no point.
Jesus Christ...SPOILER by DanielKurland	Feb 14th, 2007 07:35:04 PM
"Where you spend the next THREE years of your life on that island"...emphasis mine.
A little LOST pre-game with some Transformers news... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Feb 14th, 2007 07:53:48 PM
http://tinyurl.com/36uxfz
EvilWizardGlick--Ethan by NoPIX	Feb 14th, 2007 07:56:18 PM
I don't know. But I did read some interview with Michael Emerson. He talked about the Others having something different about them. He said that while shooting the scene when he climbes up the hill with Sawyer to show him the other island that he was told to act like it was easy, while Sawyer is seen getting tired.
SPOILER more Final Destination biting by Walter Crunkite	Feb 14th, 2007 07:56:23 PM
wont be shocked when Tony Todd shows up in a Charlie flashback
Answers/ Regulars by PantherMatt	Feb 14th, 2007 08:06:14 PM
Neo, FWIW, I have no real problem with the supposed lack of "Answers." Honestly, I hope the show ends up making sense, but if it doesn't, I hope they can at least keep my attention for a few more years. I just like the characters, and have fun watching them. The Regulars, that is. it's not that I dislike the Others (they're fine), it's just that I was intrigued by our season one stars. Still am. As far as trying to get us invested in N & P, I say... TOO SOON
Answers/ Regulars by PantherMatt	Feb 14th, 2007 08:06:16 PM
Neo, FWIW, I have no real problem with the supposed lack of "Answers." Honestly, I hope the show ends up making sense, but if it doesn't, I hope they can at least keep my attention for a few more years. I just like the characters, and have fun watching them. The Regulars, that is. it's not that I dislike the Others (they're fine), it's just that I was intrigued by our season one stars. Still am. As far as trying to get us invested in N & P, I say... TOO SOON
"...he shits out Walt" - Thanks Fire4Effect by Big Jim	Feb 14th, 2007 08:19:36 PM
Funniest thing I've read all week
YES.... by siatrisx	Feb 14th, 2007 08:25:37 PM
Just finished in Canada. This episode is amazing. SPOILER Remember this: When is a flashback not a flashback? Where all the flashbacks actually time travel ?
spoiler... by Jubba	Feb 14th, 2007 08:35:41 PM
so is charlie gonna die...or are they going to figure out a way to beat death...er...i mean the balancing universe?
Other actors on LOST (pilot casting?) by Guerilla_Films	Feb 14th, 2007 08:56:37 PM
Someone in a room (yeah...not alone this week) just said they heard that Michael Keaton was originally supposed to be the pilot on the show. And I've read that Forrest Whittaker was supposed to play Sawyer and John Hannah auditioned for Charlie. does anyone have a list of these instances or actors?
Flash-FORWARDS?!? by filmicdrummer17	Feb 14th, 2007 09:15:33 PM
Holy crap!
Charlie bashing by Deep Roots	Feb 14th, 2007 09:21:15 PM
seems the new "Lost-Bitching" trend is to hate on Charlie. That is just common! Does no one remember "You all everybody! You ALL everybody!" assholes.
Present self in a hallucination of an alternate past?!? by filmicdrummer17	Feb 14th, 2007 09:26:32 PM
Seriously, is anyone watching tonight?
so up to this point Desmond was on his second go-round? by durhay	Feb 14th, 2007 09:27:50 PM
Also, the emergency jerkoff system decided to do their monthly test between the "this is 60 yr old scotch" and "you're not good enough for my scotch" - what'd I miss?
I realized the Canadians saw it first. by filmicdrummer17	Feb 14th, 2007 09:28:08 PM
Sorry, I'm hiding from spoilers. But still. I'm the only one in my time zone on here?
this episode is trippy by TheTagger	Feb 14th, 2007 09:29:19 PM
...and very cool so far
I'm here by Guerilla_Films	Feb 14th, 2007 09:29:25 PM
but this episode is so fucking trippy man...jeeze...It's like Sam Beckett leaped into the Matrix as it reset itself!
I'm watching by Phategod1	Feb 14th, 2007 09:30:34 PM
but what the hell is going on I'm trying to undertsand what I'm seeing.
a guy with no college education... by Guerilla_Films	Feb 14th, 2007 09:31:08 PM
and gets a physicist as a best friend? It beats that mtv reality show about the skateboarder and his bodyguard.
am at work by Bloo	Feb 14th, 2007 09:33:29 PM
with no access tonight to TiVio or even a vcr...PLEASE someone I'll take the spoilers, just label them for others
"You don't buy the ring, Desmond." by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 09:36:02 PM
wtf?
Spoilers, re: the ring by Guerilla_Films	Feb 14th, 2007 09:38:15 PM
I wish someone from the future would have stopped me from RENTING the movie THE RING....sheesh! No jokes people, this episode is like THE STAND and that weird Halloween episode of QUANTUM LEAP where Sam th ought the devil was sending him around...only good!
ahhhhhh by Bloo	Feb 14th, 2007 09:40:43 PM
I soo want to see this right now...when does it hit ABC.com people anyone please
"The Angels wanna wear my red shoes." by Guerilla_Films	Feb 14th, 2007 09:41:45 PM
I think I got that title right...I don't know much about Elvis...
red shoes by Jubba	Feb 14th, 2007 09:42:00 PM
don't buy red shoes
Guerilla_films by Bloo	Feb 14th, 2007 09:43:19 PM
I remember that ep. with Satantaking over Al's body on Quantam Leap...weird you refrence that as it had a refrence to a young Steven King and King is a LOST fan...ahhhh BLOWING MY MIND and i'm not even watching it
SPOILER about Desmond and this episode? (guess) by Guerilla_Films	Feb 14th, 2007 09:43:43 PM
Does Desmond go to jail for stealing this ring???
Turn the key... by SwiftCrusader	Feb 14th, 2007 09:44:27 PM
My cable freezed up at the point the old lady says "until you are forced to turn the fail-safe key" what happened after that but before the commercial? Thanks for any help.
swift by Guerilla_Films	Feb 14th, 2007 09:49:17 PM
I don't think you missed any pertinent data...she pretty much told him not to change the past or the future and then it went to commercial...there weren't any big bombshells, just more Emmy nod moments as Desmond mugged all weird for the camera.
the man with two red shoes died by durhay	Feb 14th, 2007 09:49:30 PM
nm
The Oracle! by McGsStepson	Feb 14th, 2007 09:50:59 PM
Anyone else see the resemblance? It is a pickle. And will this mean vampires and werewolves finally on the island?
This is an amazing flashback episode by Guerilla_Films	Feb 14th, 2007 09:56:03 PM
They have so much to build from when they tell characters origin (comic book style) stories early on. WALKABOUT, WHITE RABBIT, and now this one give good insight into people and their actions....jeeze...it was less tripped out as it went on too...
two red shoes by Phategod1	Feb 14th, 2007 09:57:04 PM
very Wizard of Ozish.
Oh Shit! by Deep Roots	Feb 14th, 2007 09:59:05 PM
OH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!
Lost is Back by Vergil	Feb 14th, 2007 09:59:52 PM
It's been a long wait.
abc.com is playing the episode afer 1pm Pacific tomorro by Guerilla_Films	Feb 14th, 2007 09:59:56 PM
that's the word on the street...and in the preview for next week what's with the stewardess saying to Jack in the cage (from the Youtube.com clip), "We're here to watch." I thought the zoo kept people out who wanted to watch the animals get it on? See you folks in the funny pages!
Technically a top-notch episode, but... (SPOILERS) by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 10:04:25 PM
...this "you can't change the future" thing pisses me off. To no end. Not only because it is just another thing that "Heroes" and "Lost" (and "The Stand"...) unfortunately have in common, but because it's stupid. Of course you can change the future. By changing it, you change it. By saving Charlie from drowning, the universe is not the same as it was before. Is it like you're only not allowed to change whether people die? And go to "the island"? "Self-determination is an illusion. You're secretly doing what the universe wants you to do! Isn't that trippy?" Fuck that shit.
Die or dye? by SwiftCrusader	Feb 14th, 2007 10:04:50 PM
I have a pretty good feeling that Charlie won't die. Although I am thinking Lost should introduce Dr. Zoidberg and play him off Locke. Diagnosis: hilarious.
"Flashes Before your Eyes" - best of the season by BlueshiftingCows	Feb 14th, 2007 10:05:07 PM
outstanding episode. Best of the season.
I agree with Ribbons by Guerilla_Films	Feb 14th, 2007 10:08:33 PM
I think it was the Clash (or Sex Pistols) who once sang in a song, "The future is unwritten." (the English scenery tonight has me referencing punk folks)...I think the reliigous bent on the show has a love for pre-determination and reincarnation...we're forced to suffer in an endless loop (like watching HEROES, ba-zing!), but who's to say that's not the case? It's like that scene in Groundhog Day when BIl Murray says that maybe God has just been through it before...the "future" that Desmond is seeing is probably just probability, and he's able to exploit it like the stock market. "Fuck that shit." indeed...we got free will...use it or lose it. P.S. i'm extremely envious of a guy on tv who can see into the future without shooting up!
NEXT WEEK... by jimmy rabbitte	Feb 14th, 2007 10:09:00 PM
THREE BIGGEST MYSTERIES ANSWERED!!! Unfortunately there will be six new ones to take their place...
Charile don't surf... by REDD	Feb 14th, 2007 10:09:00 PM
and he sure as hell can't swim (according to Desmond). Tonights episode had a "Matrix" feel; was that Desmond's oracle?
Awesome by Banky the Hack	Feb 14th, 2007 10:09:54 PM
Simply awesome. Can't wait to see what the hell is up with Cindy.
I always hate it when promos... (West Coast Spoiler) by OhioBobcat	Feb 14th, 2007 10:10:29 PM
...for a show give away the last scene/last line. For instance, watching Veronica Mars yesterday and at 9:57 realizing that Lamb had not yet arrested Veronica in her classroom. So when I read on here that Desmond's final prediction would be the last line of the episode I thought, well Fuck You ABC, giving away "No matter what I try to do... you're gonna die." Brilliant. I think that this episode was as good as (better than?) Walkabout and the Charlie-doomed-not-Claire twist is right up there with the wheelchair reveal. Well played was I ABC, well played.
Dharma logo on the Red Shoes? by narch	Feb 14th, 2007 10:12:25 PM
Did I see that right? Can anyone confirm?
This didn't suck. by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 14th, 2007 10:13:27 PM
Only a one game winning streak so far, but you've got to start somewhere.
Eko got doomed... by Mr. N	Feb 14th, 2007 10:16:36 PM
That polar bear didn't get him, so the Island did... this is getting too preachy maybe? But Desmond is changing things, maybe he's just trying to see the larger picture and can't... I guess the fail safe really did save the world in some way. We need to more what about what the hell that charge was. But that won't come till the end. Seriously, they have enough questions to last 3 more seasons, but we know we're going to get so many more new ones. Lost is back yes, but it needs to tread carefully.
okay Brokentusk by iamkingoffun	Feb 14th, 2007 10:17:45 PM
I may be a little late in saying this, and maybe someone else has brought it to your attn, but next to the article there's a little red line that says "spoiler" so you have been warned that it will be revealing, quotes and all. Just fyi.
Review of Lost 3.8 by Tocksick	Feb 14th, 2007 10:19:11 PM
Part of the reason I was underwhelmed with last season's final was because of Desmond. I found most of his flashbacks uninteresting because I didn't really care or empathize with this guy. But just when I had my guard down, Mr. Lindelof had to get me me to care. That moment when his prospective father-in-law told him he was nothing got to me. When I heard this week was another Desmond-flashback episode I definitely wasn't that excited but this episode is as good as last week's which was strongly above average. I love it when the writers do something original with their flashbacks and this episode at times had me riveted. Desmond is paying the ultimate price for turning that hatch key. Going through a psychological hell that I never could have imagined without watching this episode. The writer's had a delicate task of showing his time-travelling abilities without falling into common cliched traps. They definitely succeeded. Mr. Lindelof and his partner (whose name I forget) were able to be unpredictable yet still remain true to their original, metaphysical premise. Its going to be hard though for other writers to continue Desmond's abilities without cheating logic or being cliched. The final scene gave me chills the way Charlie's fate was gradually revealed. It is sad but I can't see any way that Charlie can avoid being this season's major death. P.S. For the first time all season I am actually GIDDY over next week's episode. Cindy is back! Ana Lucia mentioned her too many times for her to remain vanished forever. I cannot WAIT!
Don't worry about the vase. by McGsStepson	Feb 14th, 2007 10:20:17 PM
What's really gonna bake your noodle later on is would you still have broken it if I hadn't said anything.
I take back everything mean I said about Lost... by KaraIsACylon	Feb 14th, 2007 10:21:36 PM
This episode redeemed a lot of things for me. I don't need questions answered. I need more interesting questions. This one delivered.
I refuse... by jimmy rabbitte	Feb 14th, 2007 10:22:38 PM
...to get too caught up in this whole "Desmond sees the future" thing. This will just be another of "Lost's Biggest Mysteries" that will get answered sometime next season, or the season after that... just don't bet it'll be explained any time soon...
"The Why of Fry" FUTURAMA episode by Guerilla_Films	Feb 14th, 2007 10:22:52 PM
best reaction ever in terms of a character (person) confronting someone who had power of their future events. "What's one life weighed against an entire universe?" Fry: "But it's MY LIFE!"
Guerilla_Films by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 10:25:00 PM
Not only do I object to the principle of it, but it just doesn't make sense. Desmond already HAS changed the future. But what, exciting stuff like deaths (just in time for May sweeps!) are unchangeable? I just... gah. This episode made me really bitter.
"I will choose a path that is clear..." by Billyeveryteen	Feb 14th, 2007 10:25:01 PM
"I will choose... Freewill."
Just enjoying the ride by FrodoFraggins	Feb 14th, 2007 10:26:03 PM
I've had no complaints up until the loss of Eko. And since it was Adewale's decision to leave, I can't hold it against the writers. For the most part this episode kept my attention, especially the ending. I'm far from abandoning this ship. Only Rome ranks higher on my "must watch" list. There's no way this will become an X-Files fiasco. I'm confident they know where everything will end, something Carter never really planned for. He was ready to milk that show for 10 more years and just keep changing the actors. Too bad he never realized/accepted that Duchovny was the reason for that shows success.
Honestly... by phaedrus007	Feb 14th, 2007 10:30:45 PM
Anyone who likes the Others over the Islanders is nuts. The Others are boring as sin. This was absolutely, without a doubt the best episode of the season.
Regarding Free Will by FrodoFraggins	Feb 14th, 2007 10:32:02 PM
Ribbons mentioned that he has problems with the whole idea proposed that the Unvierse will make course corrections and that we ultimately can't change things. My impression was that the woman had tried MANY, MANY times to change things in the past and what she was trying to prevent ALWAYS happened relatively soon. And so she has accepted that she is powerless to stop it and accepted it. Now obviously she didn't say anything about what she had done in the past, but it's only realistic to expect that she foresaw terrible things and kept trying to fix them until she was unable to stop them. I dunno, this is a fictional world with lots of weird stuff going on, I'm fine letting them define this universe as they see fit.
charlie / oasis / foreshadowing by mrgreentheplant	Feb 14th, 2007 10:33:13 PM
The Oasis song Charlie is singing as a street musician (Wonderwall) in Desmond's flashback contains the lyrics "I said maybe, you're gonna be the one that saves me..." and if i'm not much mistaken he sings this lyric as Desmond approaches him! sadly, that "maybe" is looking like a no if the show goes into Final Destination territory and Charlie is doomed to die (just when i was starting to like him again, too bad)
Henry Ian Cusick for the 11th Doctor after D. Tennant? by SpyGuy	Feb 14th, 2007 10:33:14 PM
Maybe it was just the heavy emphasis on time in this episode, but I was getting a heavy DOCTOR WHO vibe from Henry Ian Cusick. I dunno, maybe it was the scarf he wore briefly, but I'm thinking he'd be a great Doctor after David Tennant leaves at the end of Series 4. Of course, there IS James Callis from BSG to consider as well...
This question hasn't been answered... by KaraIsACylon	Feb 14th, 2007 10:35:42 PM
I think it's very much an open question as to whether or not Desmond could have changed things. First, we don't really know if that wasn't a concussion-induced hallucination from start to finish. He's already lived this once, and it surely doesn't stretch believability that much that he might have been imagining the whole thing, in that hyperreal state right after sustaining mild brain injury. But assuming he did go back in time, assuming that he did have other choices (and it does look like he made some different choices, within the context of his flash-back), ultimately the decision to leave, to "accept his fate", is Desmond's. The old woman convinced him... but he chose to do what he did. What evidence do we really have that ANYTHING she said was true? If he really couldn't change what happened... why would she be so vehement in her insistence that he must not try? I think she knew he COULD change his mind, and perhaps she was telling the truth when she said everyone would die if he did. Basically, I think Desmond had it right. Assuming that he wasn't just delusional because of a concussion (in which case it didn't matter what he decided), he probably did make the biggest mistake of his life... twice.
Maybe deaths and the like by Vergil	Feb 14th, 2007 10:36:55 PM
ARE the only things unchangable. I know, rediculous in the Newtonian world, unlikely in the quantum world, but if you have gotten this far you must have accepted the fact that there is a bit of the metaphysical involved. If you are insisting that the show stick to laws of physics then why put yourself through the pain?
I can't believe by Vergil	Feb 14th, 2007 10:40:14 PM
I've become a Lost defender talkback geek.
25 MINS OF TRANSFORMERS WAS SHOWN AND PEOPLE LOVED IT by wcoop893	Feb 14th, 2007 10:44:47 PM
at some toy fair, bay showed 25 minutes of mostly finished footage that did not include any of the "big shots" and the reaction was overwhelmingly posative. people were blown away by the 4 scenes they saw. i cant beleive this site hasnt covered it, read about it on comingsoon.net or some of the other transformer fan sites.
As an aside... by KaraIsACylon	Feb 14th, 2007 10:45:34 PM
I got the Slaughterhouse Five allusion about coming unstuck in time... but has anyone else read a Dean Koontz novel from the 80's called "Strangers", with the line "Nature struggles to reassert the pattern that was meant to be"? I always loved that concept, and it was nice to see it resurrected here.
No, KaraisaCylon is right... by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 14th, 2007 10:46:46 PM
...About this at least, don't know about the screen name. Okay, probably right about that, too. Anyway, the whole backwards message seems to indicate that both time and spaced can be conquered. What would be the point of this unless they could also be tamed, or at least influenced? What...I can go back in time, remember that great ice cream sandwich I had in July of 86? And this time I had it on a pyramid! Don't think so. Things CAN be changed. Whether or not Desmond is the man to figure out how to do it or not, that's another question. And really, the old bird's trying to influence him was a little too on target for his insecurities. That wasn't someone trying to convince him that the world was destined to work a certain way. In fact, if it was SHE wouldn't have been needed to tell him. That was the argument of someone(thing) pulling out every dirty little psychological trick she(it) could to get her(its) way.
Desmond is a cylon. by seanny_d	Feb 14th, 2007 10:49:17 PM
You heard it here first.
This is what Daybreak was supposed to be... by TheBigChill	Feb 14th, 2007 10:52:32 PM
Is it me, or does it feel like Lindelof was influenced by a higher up at ABC to try and right ship that was "Daybreak" by putting it into his own show? I know that "Daybreak" started after Desmond received his clairvoyance, but do you think it is possible ABC said "Hey, Damon, we got this show that we want to pitch about a guy that is relieving one day over and over again until he gets things right... and we think the premise is promising, but we don't know if we can attract a following, so can you do us a favor? Can you give some guy the curse of having to live his life over again so that if Daybreak tanks, we can sort of continue it in your show? This way you get a character with an interesting power/story arc, and one way or the other we get to finish our story?" Like doesn't that feel like a possibility here? I just found it really convenient that just after a show that took over the spot that many people feel should belong to only one show was canned, that a character endures a similar story line. I hope I'm not alone on this one. Anyway, either way, this episode rocked (***1/2 is accurate), and I could give a crap about Cindy being back... wtf is going to happen to Jack that all of the stolen people are going to have to watch?!?!?
Vergil by Ribbons	Feb 14th, 2007 10:53:32 PM
I don't know. I'm generally okay with genre cliches, but this one just bugs me. If it's going to create too many plot holes to put a character on the show with the ability to time travel (or see through time), then guess what? DON'T PUT A CHARACTER ON THE SHOW WHO CAN TIME TRAVEL. It's really that simple. "Oh, people will start to wonder why Hiro couldn't just save everyone he knows who will die over the course of the series if he can time travel? I know! Make it so that the universe doesn't 'want' people to not die! Brilliant!" Yes, that's right: if somebody were to walk up to Charlie and shoot him in the face, and Desmond saved him, then a bird would fly down his throat and spontaneously combust. Because he was MEANT to die, you see. That person thought that he wanted to shoot Charlie in the face. Little did he know that, in actuality, it was the universe that WANTED him to want to shoot Charlie in the face. All of our decisions are made by the universe! What we think we want is actually the universe moving us around, like pieces on a chessboard. Therefore, there is no nobility in the decisions people make on "Lost"; no tragedy, or comedy, or anything of the sort. For they are only being instructed what to do by a cosmic force. And that makes the show infinitely more fascinating, doesn't it? Because it's weird! Ugh.
Penelope learns... by existentist	Feb 14th, 2007 10:56:51 PM
Penelope learns enough about the island and situation from Desmond's friend to know to try to look for him. The friend learns of the football comeback and comes to believe Desmond. Then talks to Penelope. She sets out to find Desmond via the antarctic listening post.
Anyone catch the Out Of Sight reference? by Osmosis Jones	Feb 14th, 2007 10:57:04 PM
Desmond walks out of Penny's father's office, rips his tie off, throws it on the ground, then smooths out his hair, just like George Clooney. Weird...
The stuff about Charlie dying is even better... by DanielKurland	Feb 14th, 2007 11:05:18 PM
when you look at all the close calls he has had throughout the series, most importantly when Jack revives him in season one. Again, a fantastic episode, loved the callback to "Make Your Own Kind of Music" and the fact that they state that Desmond is on the island for THREE YEARS.
Awesome by memento108	Feb 14th, 2007 11:06:03 PM
This episode reminded me why I love this show so much. One of the best i've seen so far.
4 TRANSFORMERS SCNES WERE SHOWN AT HASBRO TOY FAIR by wcoop893	Feb 14th, 2007 11:06:52 PM
they were mostly finished scenes, and word is that they were incredible. read about it at comingsoon.net and where is the story on this site? because i want me a tformers talkback right about now
Ribbons by Vergil	Feb 14th, 2007 11:11:44 PM
Point taken. The "destiny" plot has been done too often before, and it ruins everything that has come before. But that is only if we accept that things ARE preordained. People are way too quick to claim "plot holes abound!" before the plot has even unfolded. Perhaps Desmond IS stuck, but someone else's actions can get him unstuck (remember his girlfriend's Antarctic connection? I think that will factor into the future of this plot in a big way.) Or what if the Oracle Lady is just flat wrong as many talkbackers have suggested? If she was so convinced of the destiny of things, they why try to talk him out of buying the ring? No, I think it's way too soon to complain about plot holes and inconsistancies. In any case, I'd rather have a questionable plot hole with a real love story than another "oh! Does she really love Saywer instead of Jack, or is she just sorry because he's getting the snot beat out of him again" episode.
wcoop893 by Vergil	Feb 14th, 2007 11:13:50 PM
If you are a plant then good job. If not then you poor poor person.
i love how many hated this season after by LordTwinkie	Feb 14th, 2007 11:17:39 PM
watching only what? 7 out of 24 episodes?
Wcoop893 by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 14th, 2007 11:19:23 PM
Got to disagree with you on this one, Vergil. Because each time I've read one of his posts I've become less inclined to spend a dime seeing Transformers. Unless, of course, he's a plant for one of the other summer tentpoles.
Yeah, twinkie by memento108	Feb 14th, 2007 11:22:38 PM
People love to complain. Everybody was like "oh, Heroes is better than Lost". Heroes is a good show, but for me, at least, Lost is more engaging.
I totally caught the OUT OF SIGHT reference. by Mr. Anderson	Feb 14th, 2007 11:22:56 PM
Glad I'm not the only one. And now that I think about it, it could have been a very cool intentional trick pulled by the writers. The whole episode was about predestination and deja vu and vague recollections of people, so what better way to screw with the audience than a movie reference that leaves them thinking "That looks really familiar, where have I seen someone do that before?" Maybe I'm just reading too much into a cool shout-out to a cool movie, but this is Lost we're talking about.
Hmmm, good point Lynch by Vergil	Feb 14th, 2007 11:24:12 PM
Then what do we call him? Anti-plant? Fungus? Venus Flytrap?
a studio plant? ha actually im 18 years old and just want by wcoop893	Feb 14th, 2007 11:24:33 PM
a tformers talkback going on this site. obviously they are the best thing this site has going for it. but call me a plant if you want, when really i just hate all the faggot fanboys of tformers who think this movie sucks already.
Anti-plant... by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 14th, 2007 11:25:45 PM
...has the virtue of clarity, but I like fungus.
i will also accept a poor poor person, because i agree by wcoop893	Feb 14th, 2007 11:26:12 PM
that my obsession over this movie is retarted. but i think its fueled by all the fanboys hhating on it so much, and its a while away from release.
ehhhh by memento108	Feb 14th, 2007 11:26:38 PM
A Transformers talkback would be fine if it were attached to something Transformers-related....
Aha wcoop! by Vergil	Feb 14th, 2007 11:27:00 PM
Actually stating your age is exactly what you would expect a plant to do! Then again, it's expected because that's what an 18 yr old talkbacker would do. But you would know that I know that so I can clearly not choose the glass in front of ME!
I would take mythology episodes... by ImperialMarchFace	Feb 14th, 2007 11:27:49 PM
like this over episodes focusing on the love triangle and romance anyday. When they get into crazy theories about the world and why they've all crossed paths and how everything is connected and destiny, they always pull it off. This episode delivered. And next week looks promising, I'm glad that Cindy didn't just get kidnapped and dissapear in Season Two, but whenever Lost promises answers to multiple questions in the promos, one or two of them is always something that the audience knows but a character doesn't or something. Still, I'm still hooked to this show.
Sorry for the off topic.... by Vergil	Feb 14th, 2007 11:29:54 PM
but exactly how does an 18 year old become obsessed with something over twenty years old?
haha vergil by wcoop893	Feb 14th, 2007 11:30:14 PM
whatever you think is fine, but im actually 18, just stating my age to prove my anti-plantness. and no i would not have and did not think of what you were going to think i meant by stating my age. or something haha
Ok, I've watched the show pretty much from day one by Vergil	Feb 14th, 2007 11:32:16 PM
But who the Hell is Cindy?
wcoop893 by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 14th, 2007 11:32:35 PM
And you have made your point in a masterly and sometimes allcap fashion, young sir, and can depart our humble talkback now, confident in the knowledge that you have made us aware of your age and desires, to ring out your clarion call for the robot movie on other needy boards.
vergil im obsessed because, hear me out, i enjoy bay by wcoop893	Feb 14th, 2007 11:33:02 PM
movies. yes i know, a huge crime, but also something expected from a "stupid 18 year old who grew up in a time when movies are destroyed by 'mtv style cuts'". i enjoy his movies for pure visual entertainment. they are easy on the eyes, and i like my fair share of cars blowing up during the summertime. so what better than bay directing cars that change into giant robots that fight each other and blow shit up? nothing. thats why im obsessed, because of mikey bay. i know, sue me
You are obsessed with the movie by Vergil	Feb 14th, 2007 11:37:45 PM
Not because you like the Comic, or because you like the old cartoons, but because Micheal Bay is making it? Ok, you've convinced me. Not even a plant would go that far to prove he was a clueless teenager. Sorry for the offtopic track folks, I'm back on.
I just remembered something... by ImperialMarchFace	Feb 14th, 2007 11:38:33 PM
Did the picture of Desmond and Penny change backgrounds? Did they use a different background when it showed them getting the picture taken in this episode? Different than the one in the actual picture Desmond had prior to this episode? Did they make a different choice this time?! ...Cindy is the member of the tail section people that got "taken" (dissapeared) when they were walking back to the Lost camp with Jin, Michael, and hurt Sawyer early in Season Two. Ana just yells "They took her!" and thats it, it was fucking stupid, so I'm glad it wasn't for nothing.
ImperialMarchFace by NeoMyers	Feb 14th, 2007 11:39:39 PM
I agree completely. IF they insert the triangle and/or romance stuff into episodes where questions are tackled or explored the show works far better.
the old bag in the store is a plant... by walkon	Feb 15th, 2007 12:03:45 AM
i'm pretty sure she's the same person that asks about jack's tatoo in the preview for next week. i think widmore wants to keep desmond thinking he has no destiny other than what he's seen.
Dezzy's Time Travle Physics Friend by 4815162342	Feb 15th, 2007 12:17:41 AM
Question about the Sayidish loking guy that was Desomond's friend that was telling him he was crazy in the bar at being kicked in the nuts by Daddy Warbucks. Was that guy one of the two who was in the artic tent that called Penny to say they found him at the end of S2? Somebody who has the S2 DVDs check into it. My guess is that if he was one of the guys in the igloo that once Dezzy disappeared on the round-the world sailboat race, the friend and Penny compared notes. Penny financed the operation for the techy nerd physics friend to actually research Desonds Time Travel claim. It is implied that Desmond laid out the whole major magnetic field issues with the Swan Station to the friend, so that they knew what kind of an anomoly to look for. Someone who has S2 on DVD needs to look at the finale to find out if its the same guy. I'd look on IMDB, but I'm lazy.....
LOSTrix Reloaded by graboids	Feb 15th, 2007 12:25:49 AM
The old chick talking to Desmond in his hatch related flashback (hatchback?) was just the Oracle taking a new shell... "We're all here to do, what we're all here to do" just a little too similar... Next week Desmond has to go talk to the Frenchman.....
4815162342... by ImperialMarchFace	Feb 15th, 2007 12:33:40 AM
It's not the same guy. I checked IMDB, and the two guys in the igloo at the end of the Season Two finale are white. That would've made sense, though.
The real question is... by seanny_d	Feb 15th, 2007 12:39:33 AM
Did Desmond ACTUALLY travel back in time or was it some mental vision connection as a result of crazy island? The Oracle could be a manifestation of the island itself within Desmond's subconscious, as we know how the island likes to take human form (e.g. Eko's brother, Jack's father). Once we get into actual time-traveling, things start getting weird. As much as I loved this episode, it frustrates me to no end because I'm sick of adding another question to the pile of questions I already have. I have no problem with them taking time answering questions, I just want fewer questions on my plate.
Wrong quote about "And don't worry about the vase." by snowpuff	Feb 15th, 2007 12:41:29 AM
"Ohh, what's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken it if I hadn't said anything?"
I'm from the future by snowpuff	Feb 15th, 2007 12:46:52 AM
And I heard channels changing the night someone on Lost uttered the words "time travel." That was a mistake. The show went from trying to stay away from heavy-handed science fiction (ratings up) to using a hammer to try and explain everything they haven't been able to explain (ratings going down). I admit they might be a in paradox themselves. Network is probably "no , no, technobabble!!!" and fans are saying "Tell us something or we'll stop watching." But fans lie. "Time travel!" Oh dear, that was a mistake.
My theory... by ImperialMarchFace	Feb 15th, 2007 12:48:15 AM
is that when Desmond turned the failsafe key, his whole life flashed before his eyes, like he said. But since he was on the island, he incorporated all sorts of island stuff into his remembering of his life. That would mean that the ring lady was really his subconscious telling him that he can't change his past. Since his WHOLE life flashed before his eyes, even things from the future, like the lightning and Claire drowning, were seen by him. Or I'm totally wrong and he really did change the past, and that would be just as cool.
I'd like to have sexual intercourse w/ Gillian Anderson by wackybantha	Feb 15th, 2007 12:51:57 AM
I agree that she is what is known as hot.
Guys, who says he traveled back in time?! by Novaman5000	Feb 15th, 2007 01:11:49 AM
I got the distinct impression that he was just going over his life, it "flashed" before his eyes and evaluated how he could have made different choices and led a different light. Then SOMETHING, be it his subconcious, the island, whatever stepped into the picture, convincing him that he couldn't have done a single thing differently, and that he was destined to be there. I don't think he actually traveled back in time... but perhaps, he's always been psychic, and he was having future visions the first time around...
light = life by Novaman5000	Feb 15th, 2007 01:13:31 AM
It's late and I'm retarded.
Novaman5000 by Ribbons	Feb 15th, 2007 01:36:18 AM
I disagree. Whoever guessed that Desmond's professor friend is going to tell Penelope about the stuff he said is probably right. He obviously knew who Penelope was when he was talking to Desmond.
Yay Drew Goddard!!!! by arrangedletters	Feb 15th, 2007 02:24:53 AM
You wrote the best ep since Fury was there. Whedon can pick em can't he?
Man, those last lines were awesome! by oisin5199	Feb 15th, 2007 02:26:46 AM
It's the first time in a long while Lost gave me that edge of my seat feeling of awesomeness. What a way to twist it. I like the open-endedness of the flashback, time travel thing. Wasn't it on Eureka or something where they said if time travel was invented, it wouldn't be bodies, like Back to the Future kinda stuff, but consciousness? Perhaps that's what deja vu really is. Or past life memories. But then again, it could have just been a hallucination. I like the ambiguity. At first, I thought maybe they were going to tie it into why the show uses flashbacks so much, that it had something to do with the island. Mittelos, lost time, all that. And I totally got the pathos of that scene in Penny's dad's office. If I were teased with 60 year old Scotch, I'd be pretty upset, too! But what I want to know is who the hell was carrying it on the plane? It's like the cargo hold is the magical container for your secret desires. Pregnancy test? Viola! 60 year old scotch? There you go!
not to be a metalwater by oisin5199	Feb 15th, 2007 02:27:29 AM
but hell yeah, the Buffy writers bring it to Lost!
I think he did... by slapshot	Feb 15th, 2007 02:43:29 AM
travel in time. And he will again. And again. And again. Desmond, or at least some part of him, is stuck in a loop, doomed to repeat those five years over and over. As for not being able to change the past... if you're gonna buy that time travel is possible, I think you have to buy that the past is pretty much fixed. You may be able to add a speedbump or pothole, but you can't change the road. If you could, it wouldn't be that road anymore. Either way, KILLER ep.
Really traveled back or not... by VinnyMac666	Feb 15th, 2007 02:58:59 AM
It was cool to see Desmond experience a flashback with the awareness he's in a flashback. It's like he was a member of the audience... noticing the clock at 1:08 or various other coincidences that we the viewer often see, but the flashback doesn't.
Goddard is King by uther	Feb 15th, 2007 03:16:45 AM
Im surprised Herc isn't jizzing all over himself over a buffy writer knocking this one out of the park, but... Best. Episode. of the SERIES.
Thank God I live in Korea, by onemanarmy	Feb 15th, 2007 03:21:35 AM
and I've never been exposed to the complete brainwash that is "Lost."
I LOVED this episode. by DarthCorleone	Feb 15th, 2007 03:25:59 AM
Seriously - this might have been my favorite of the series.
Ive figured it out ... by Itchy	Feb 15th, 2007 05:25:26 AM
All of the Lost show is a hallucination of Desmond's who thinks he can time travel but is really stuck in Hurley's psych ward. Desmond and Hurley and the psych ward, of course, are all a daydream of Paolo's, who makes them up while hunkered down for a huge post-burrito shit while drunk. Mystery solved - it's just a pathetic dream sequence.
And about Charlie dying not Claire ... by Itchy	Feb 15th, 2007 05:26:20 AM
awesome. Because he blows and she's hot. Thus, I'd rather see more of her. Preferably wet. and in a bikini.
Things Lost Ripped Off Tonight by Itchy	Feb 15th, 2007 05:31:17 AM
The movies Final Destination (you can't change the future, brother), The Matrix (for the chat with oracle on the park bench), Out of Sight (for the tie ripping off scene), Lock Stock and Two Smoking Guns (for the beat down at the pub), The Sixth Sense (for the haunted protagonist who sees creepy things others can't), Lord of the Rings (for the closeup of the wedding ring hurtling into the water), WWE (for the constant use of the term Brother).
Great Lost show last night. One of the best! by GobBluth06	Feb 15th, 2007 05:36:09 AM
I thought last night's episodes was one of the best they have done in a long time. It was very original by Lost standards. It was great to see it go in a sort of new direction. I wasn't always a big fan of Desmond, but after last night's episodes, he is now probably my favorite character.
Room 23 by G8kpr	Feb 15th, 2007 06:12:13 AM
The ABC.com site references that Karl was in "Room 23". Which is also a number in the "sequence". I doubt this is coincidence. Thought I'd mention it. Also, is the voice on the reversed audio of the "brain wash audio" that of Ms. Klugh (clue?). The black lady that we see when Michael and Walt are reunited in Season 2. (and where is she now?)
David Hume and Causality by McGsStepson	Feb 15th, 2007 06:44:17 AM
Remember he is Desmond HUME. And remember David HUME was a big cause and effect guy and a HUGE skeptic - maybe the last really big one in philosophy. His whole thing was that the only reason we believe that a rock will fall to the ground is because it has done so in the past, not necessarily because of any cause and effect and that we are confusing cause and effect with conjunction. "We have no other notion of cause and effect, but that of certain objects, which have been always conjoin'd [sic] together, and which in all past instances have been found inseparable. This is from Wiki - the only thing I have this AM at work - "We cannot penetrate into the reason of the conjunction. We only observe the thing itself, and always find that from the constant conjunction the objects acquire a union in the imagination."
Just a few things I noticed during the flashback by mowgliworf	Feb 15th, 2007 07:34:53 AM
The alarm clock said 1:08. - Polar bear in painting in Widmore's office. - I think the delivery guy was delivering to 815? The flight #. Maybe I missed that one.
LOST IS BACK...... TO THE FUTURE! by turketron	Feb 15th, 2007 07:52:36 AM
See, this is why you can't count a show out after a few weak episodes (cough 3.1 to 3.6). Since we have returned from the hiatus, the show has been back in form. The haters have been owned! Now, I saw Vergil ask above who Cindy is and someone gave a half-answer. As well as being the extremely hot tail-section survivor who disappeared on their trek to the fuselage side of the island last season, Cindy is the stewardess from the flight who we saw interact with Jack and Charlie before it crashed. Now, I keep seeing whiners on here crying "WAAH, TIME TRAVEL SUCKS, WAAH THEY'RE RUINING IT WITH TIME TRAVEL!!!" Well genius, do we have any CONFIRMED time travel? The name of the episode was "Flashes Before Your Eyes" and as far as we know, this is what happened with Desmond's life as he was knocked unconscious. Like someone said above, it just got blended with the island events as well. It will be interesting to see if they DO go in the time bending direction. I thought of Back to the Future when people kept calling Desmond a coward, just as Marty McFly was called a chicken, causing him to lose his temper. LOST. IS. BACK.
HEROES LOST actor connection by turketron	Feb 15th, 2007 08:02:17 AM
I noticed it last night and went to the almighty imdb to confirm, but the actor who was playing Desmond's chubby Indian friend Donovan in the bar also plays Suresh's friend/colleague on Heroes in a couple of episodes (he's in the first ep and the ep where Suresh goes back to India). Cool. And I agree with Vinniemac666, awesome part of Flashes Before Your Eyes was the fact that Desmond was noticing thing that the audience normally notices in flashbacks, like the numbers, polar bears, etc. I read somewhere that the word "namaste" (said by the guy in the orientation videos) was written backwards on the polar bear painting, but I have not seen it for myself.
i hope by ZO	Feb 15th, 2007 08:05:41 AM
the producers dont start kowtowing to fanboys and changing their vision for the show. because u can never please geeks
Actually this was first episode without Flashback... by YouIgnorantGeeks	Feb 15th, 2007 08:08:58 AM
If you think about it, they weren't really flashbacks. Desmond remembered stuff from the Island he already went through. So you can say it was a long dream with elements of his past... but not a true flashback. That is unless it was a true flashback and he was even then seeing the future (3 years in advance) that did not happen yet... And here is another question. It seems that he is predicting the future because he is basically repeating events over again. Well if thats the case it happened more then once... Because he saved Charlie from being electrocuted, then saved from drowning. Now, I know this is assuming the lighting strike would have killed him, and we don't technically know that as Desmond just says electrocuted... but assuming the lighting killed him, well then how does he know the drowning would kill him too, unless this is at least his 3rd go round? (First time he sees Charlie die from electrocution. Second time he saves Charlie from that but seems him die drowing... So this third time he saved him from both) I am just confused as to what direction we are supposed to take it I guess. Is the whole thing Desmond seeing the future, and he was even able to years ago. Or is the whole thing not necessarily seeing the future as continually reliving the present, and thats how he knows what will happen...
ZombieSolutions by Banky the Hack	Feb 15th, 2007 08:17:40 AM
A protracted show that requires people to connect back to asides mentioned in background of a first season episode to get a tiny glimpse into the big picture of what is going on, and to accept that task week after week. Yeah, that requires an DEFICIT of ATTENTION. Troll on, assclown.
CHARLIE GOTTA DIE by gotta eat	Feb 15th, 2007 08:19:00 AM
It was, and still is, inevitable.
Charlie Has to Live Up to His Rock Star Status by DarfurOnTheRocks	Feb 15th, 2007 08:28:38 AM
...and go down in a blaze of glory, like the young gun that he is!!
Wrinkle in Time by Jor-El23	Feb 15th, 2007 08:34:33 AM
Doesn't anyone remember that Sawyer was reading this book? Three kids travel through the galaxy by folding the fabric of space and time. The galaxy is being covered by a dark cloud. Religious figures, philosophers and artists are trying to fight it. Check out the Wikipedia entry, it refreshed my memory. Plus in season 2 the short story "An Occurence at Owl Bridge Creek" was briefly shown in the hatch. In the book a man is being hung and imagines himself escaping but in reality, he's imaging all that between the time he is pushed off the bridge and the rope pulls taut and strangles him. Finally...the anagram from last week which according to the EW article is very important...Lost Time.
More "pergatory" proof... by biggles2_22	Feb 15th, 2007 08:42:13 AM
...just a thought that Desmond also has a chance to redeem himself in what I've considered to be a pergatory, or a man-made pergatory. He's had chances to do the right thing. The fail safe key being one of them, but when he did he was tempted, by the devil (white haired lady) to follow his previous life's pattern. Basically, put his life in destiny's hands and absolve himself of choice. In fact, many of the same choices are being presented to the islanders and depending how they react, their fates are played out. Should Desmond even try to save Charlie? (As much as I detest Charlie.) Should he let him die and assume that "fate" had already decided or should he do everything in his power to save him? A righteous person would keep trying, a "coward" would throw up their hands and say "oh well", it's fate. Anyhoo, I'm rambling. Oh, I almost forgot, Studio 60 sucks.
Lost Time indeed by turketron	Feb 15th, 2007 08:48:56 AM
Yes, lots of time bending references on this show, but nothing concrete yet. The book taht the one guy was reading in last week's episode was "A Brief History of Time", which I believe was written by Stephen Hawking (and wasn't the lady in the jewelry shop from this week named Ms. Hawking?). A screen cap of the page that the guy was drawing on is about black holes (http://i1.tinypic.com/3y43nsx .jpg and http://i6.tinypic.com/2eey2xv. png).I also read that there is supposedly a deleted scene from season 1 in which Danielle Rousseau says that her science team was "studying time". Don't know if that can be considered cannon though.
Next week we learn that Jack's tattoos mean by Drewchem08	Feb 15th, 2007 09:21:28 AM
"Jack Bauer is a pansy!" and "Yes you idiots Baltar is a Cylon" that is all.
and once again, zombiesolutions' flawless logic by oisin5199	Feb 15th, 2007 09:42:09 AM
Because a show that actually requires you to pay attention, think every now and then and makes you deal with ambiguity really just makes you DUMBER. If only we American viewers were just above it all, like our resident guru with the silly name. Is it your mission to be a complete asshole in every talkback? Or is it just in ones on Lost, Whedon stuff, and any mention of the Fountain?
Good Ep! by Fing Fang Foom	Feb 15th, 2007 09:53:28 AM
I liked it. Poor Charlie! Let the death watch begin. Next week looks great. Give us some more answers! The whole Desmond/Dad situation felt way too similar to the Jin/Sun's Dad. I had deju vu justwatching scene. But The whole gaining father's approval arc repeats itself alot in some form - Jack, Locke, Gin and Desmond. This must mean something. Anyway, YES I am finally excited about Lost again!!!
Desmond will die in Charlie's place... by googamooga	Feb 15th, 2007 10:01:44 AM
...And thus, nature will be satisified, balance will return to the force, etc. Mark my words!!!
Odyssey reference? by pelty	Feb 15th, 2007 10:03:25 AM
I wonder if this portion of the story (Des and Penelope) has classical references, with Desmond seeking to return to Penelope, much as Odysseus was trying to return to Penelope? Odysseus was stuck on a number of islands, with monsters and sex-starved goddesses, so it breaks down at points, but the over-arching narrative has some similarities...
Enjoyable but not enough to redeem things just yet by _Maltheus_	Feb 15th, 2007 10:06:16 AM
So who was that old lady? The black smoke? A dharma operative? An older Juliette or Alex? She's old enough to have known Hanso. I assume that Desmond and Penny's breakup went down a little different the first time. Will we get confirmation of the time travel aspect when Penny shows up? I was also thinking that she must have gotten Desmond's story out of that Indian after Desmond went missing. It would explain how she knew he was on the island (although it could have been through Dharma as well). I'll likely be the only one not happy to see Charlie go. Unlike the others, he asks questions bout what's going on. He's kind of annoying when around Claire, but aside from being pretty, Claire is kind of annoying too. The whole "the universe wants him to die" thing is also kind of stupid. Plus he's Hurley's best friend and despite being a rock star, he's more down to earth that Kate, Locke, Jack, Ford, etc.. Why does Desmond need to be on the island? If he never showed up, Kelvin would be there to still hit the button. I suppose she was referring to the turning of the key instead. And did she mean none of us would be here, in terms of the world, or just those of "us" connected to the island.
Settle down, ZombieSolutions by Thunderbolt Ross	Feb 15th, 2007 10:12:40 AM
Damn
It's THREE YEARS PRESSING THE BUTTON, not... by savagexp	Feb 15th, 2007 10:12:58 AM
THREE YEARS ON THE ISLAND. She said, "You spend three years on the island pressing the button." Which, he did. This is not some sort of big reveal that many of you think it is. Jesus. Pay attention.
Nothing has been resolved by DarfurOnTheRocks	Feb 15th, 2007 10:19:05 AM
Unfortunately, more and more questions arise. Perhaps the producers believe that fans will forget. However, what is happening is that we will simply cease to care. I am still awaiting for further news on that Polar bear! Storytelling-wise, there is nothing down with doubling down the questions, as long as the resolution is satisfying. But what we have here is a incremental raising of the stakes. But at this point I don't know if Lost's hands will be strong enough a la Matrix Revolutions.
microwave ? by dj_bollocks	Feb 15th, 2007 10:19:36 AM
reset button ? some cell jiggery pokery ? frakked if i know anymore...
Desmond Won't Die by Jor-El23	Feb 15th, 2007 10:24:51 AM
Because then it destroys the whole Desmond/Penelope storyline. Why would they introduce Penelope as existing in the real world and trying to find Desmond if they're going to kill him off? Unless the actor has become difficult to work with like Adewale and Michelle Rodriguez.
turketron by Ribbons	Feb 15th, 2007 10:29:48 AM
Go ahead and call me a whiner. When we find out later this season that Desmond actually did travel back in time, maybe I can come on here and call you a douchebag.
everything is connected and the writers by emeraldboy	Feb 15th, 2007 10:30:53 AM
know this. self contained series are fine. Those who like self contained shows hate, show like 24, Heroes and lost and even alias. Self contained shows have a beginning, middle and end. Shows like lost have that too but the resolution is several series down the line, people get bored and turn off. Then they catch up with the series on DVD and see what they are missing. Writers of Self contained shows use double episodes to resolve storylines and that is nothing new.
ZombieSolutions by MasterShake	Feb 15th, 2007 10:34:07 AM
Yet you care enough about Lost to use your valuable (maybe) time expounding about how much you hate Lost and why in a Lost talkback. Take what you will from that, but I find it interesting.
Des = Odysseus by mattb127	Feb 15th, 2007 10:41:16 AM
Okay, Des is obviously Odysseus, right? His wife is Penelope, who he's desperately trying to get back to, he sails around the world and is shipwrecked on a magical island, and he's got a beard. And his name is derivative--Des/Odysseus.
now THIS was the best episode of this season so far by SantiagoAtez	Feb 15th, 2007 10:51:08 AM
It brings back all that is great about Lost: the mystery. IMHO the "Others" set of episodes (which has been taking up most of the season so far) has been extremely boring and unoriginal. Hopefully we'll get more episodes like these.
and Desmond is one of the strongest cast members by SantiagoAtez	Feb 15th, 2007 10:53:15 AM
along side with Jack and Locke. The 3 of them are really doing a fantastic job on the show, and present the best acting of the cast. Juliet is a good addition, especially since what the show lack is a really good actress.
Libby Won't Die by _Maltheus_	Feb 15th, 2007 10:55:22 AM
Because it destroys the whole Hurley/Libby storyline. Why would they introduce Libby as existing in the same asylum that Hurley was in, playing him the way she is, if they're going to kill her off. Unless the actor has become difficult to work with, like Arnst or Boone. ;)
Good Easter Egg.. by Deandome	Feb 15th, 2007 11:01:48 AM
At a Lost forum I visit, it's been shown that in Desmond's photo, Penny's wearing a black top/shirt at some point and a white one another: http://www.4815162342.com/foru m/viewtopic.php?t=34228 And it's weird so many people are talking 'bout the X-Files in this thread. We see the guy with the Red Shoes Die...Duchovney was in the Red Shoes DIE-aries...;-)
Ribbons by turketron	Feb 15th, 2007 11:08:23 AM
Stop catching feelings. I didn't mean to get any sand in your vagina. I damn well Vince McMahon guarantee you that we won't find out definitively whether or not Desmond traveled back in time when he turned the key by the end of this season. We now return you to your originally scheduled programming: The Adventures of Desmond McFly
about the easter egg by turketron	Feb 15th, 2007 11:10:36 AM
In the old picture it was a different woman that Desmond was with as well, because the actress for Penelope had not been cast yet. Unknown whether the black/white shirt was a continuity error, or if they will try to make it story-relevant or not.
the debate about the easter egg is a representation of by SantiagoAtez	Feb 15th, 2007 11:18:59 AM
the ability for fans to forget it's JUST a Tv show. I remember way back in the beginning of season 2 when they thought that the intro was NOT in the hatch, because there was a different lamp on the table. Good lord, the different lamp means that somebody probably dropped the original when they were filming. Paying attention to details is good thing, but not to become obsesive over. Fortunately here in the Talkbacks of AICN people aren't so crazy about these things...the lamp example was something is saw in the offical Lost forums (and that's when i never went back there)
black/white shirt by maxwell's hammer	Feb 15th, 2007 11:22:06 AM
Well, if they'd just photoshoped the actress's face in, the shirt would be the same color. If they restaged the picture with the new actress, you'd think they'd notice a glaring detail such as what the characters were wearing. Whatever the reason may be, I'd guess the producers changed the shirt color on purpose.
LOST and The Odyssey by TheBigChill	Feb 15th, 2007 11:25:27 AM
I had a literature professor my freshman year in college that was able to convince everyone that The Odyssey is the story in which every story since has been copying. Now, some stories don't blatantly rip it off like O, Brother Where Art Thou, but the fundamentals of the story are evident, and I think they are really stressing that since the season finale of last season. The cyclops on THE Island is the one eyed man that they saw on the TV. Jack has met his sirens and temptress on the Others' island. Des and Penelope's storyline with the lost at sea bit. And I'm sure there are more references that I'm not remembering, but I think the foundations to the story are becoming more and more apparent. Anyway, if you like HEROES, anyone notice that Matt is also the pilot from the pilot that gets taken away and killed by the smoke monster?
The Libby/Desmond comparison by Jor-El23	Feb 15th, 2007 11:29:30 AM
I see your point, but it seems like the Desmond/Penelope thing is one of the driving forces behind the show. In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I read that somewhere after season 2 ended so shockingly. One of the creators or writers or someone said that. Penelope is connected to Whiddmore Industries which is connected to Dharma/Hanso. The Desmond/Odysseus comparison seems pretty right on, especially considering the literary bent that this show has taken on. The Odyssey would have been pointless if Odysseus would have died trying to get home. Also...is Patchy the Patch Guy supposed to be the Cyclops?
Kiele Sanchez by Jor-El23	Feb 15th, 2007 11:34:39 AM
aka Nikki, is joining the cast of "Football Wives" What does that mean for her role on "Lost"?
McGsStepson by PantherMatt	Feb 15th, 2007 11:46:29 AM
At some point in the episode, it is revealed that Desmond's middle name IS David, making his full name Desmond David Hume. Not too shabby, eh? Also, to the fellow who got all up in arms about how Desmond being on the island for three years is no big deal: I actually DO find it interesting, as that would mean that Des and Juliette have been there for the same amount of time. Calm it down, there, Chauncey...
The Desmond timeline by Jor-El23	Feb 15th, 2007 11:51:51 AM
His flashback took place roughly 5 years before flight 815 landed on the island. so, why is charlie busking on the street? did Driveshaft form, rise to fame and then crash down in that 5 year span?
Odyssey by d1138	Feb 15th, 2007 11:52:07 AM
Let's not forget that the wife of Odysseus is named Penelope...
Of Teddy Bear.... by johnnyboomboombu	Feb 15th, 2007 11:53:13 AM
...and bare, silent feet. Who else is walking the path? It's not Tom...
Yeah, but... by JohnRevik	Feb 15th, 2007 11:56:59 AM
...What about the massive four-toed stone foot? That thing doesn't figure into anything. Thank you.
BULLSHIT! by PwnedByStallone	Feb 15th, 2007 12:02:28 PM
They better not kill Charlie. He is my favorite character. I really can't understand why everyone hates him. He's flawed but he's also funny and endearing. Fuck Desmond "brother." If I have to here him say that one more time I'll go insane. Still this could all be a smoke screen to make you think Charlie dies and then WHAM somebody else gets it. At least I hope so. I'm usually a big Lost defender but I'm pissed. This metaphysical crap is tiresome. How could being in an electromagnetic implosion cause one to time travel? Or is it all in his mind? The drama was top-notch but I can't stand this type of pointless shit.
Lost is now Solved by Dapper Swindler	Feb 15th, 2007 12:03:01 PM
Believe it or not, there are a handful of super Lost geeks that have had a speculative theory about what is really going on with this show for a long time. This episode totally confirmed it. If you'd like to know, I'll briefly explain it. MAJOR SPOILERS The Valenzetti Equation is a mathematical equation that literally manipulates probability, fate, or luck by affecting the subatomic particles of the universe, including human consciousness. Hurley applied the Valenzetti equation to affect the probability of the lottery. Walt affects probability somehow too. This equation has been applied to change the fate of the world. Everything that is happening on the show is the universe "course correcting" itself to reach a final destiny, a destiny that the Dharma Initiative was trying to change. I want you guys to realize that this episode showed us WHY these character flashbacks are so important. Because, as the old woman put it, these things in the character's pasts were SUPPOSED to happen because they created the circumstances that led them to take certain actions on the island presently - certain actions that will manifest in the final fate of the world, predicted by the Valenzetti Equation. If this tickles anyone's interest, pester me and I will say more.
4 toed stone foot by turketron	Feb 15th, 2007 12:06:14 PM
The Odyssey was written by Homer --> Homer Simpson has 4 toes. Am I reaching too much?
Who started this "eppy" crap? by Mister Man	Feb 15th, 2007 12:13:17 PM
Sounds like baby talk...episode is not a long word, tweeners.
Replay? by Daphmax	Feb 15th, 2007 12:38:09 PM
Anyone here read this novel?
4 toes by PantherMatt	Feb 15th, 2007 12:47:54 PM
Turketron, I don't think the Simpsons Statue theory is any farther out there than my man Dapper Swindler's Valenzetti Theory. Both of which I think need to be given more consideration
The Odyssey and Desmond pt 2 by mattb127	Feb 15th, 2007 12:48:56 PM
I definitely think Des is Odysseus, or an Odysseus-figure, (Wife Penelope, crafty sailor lost at sea, shipwrecked on a strange island, trying to get home, the persistent Greek theme of inexorable fate, etc.) BUT I have no idea why that might be important, which is why "Lost" sucks. So Desmond is Odysseus. So what? Is that because the writers want to be smarty-pants? I get it. They've read the Odyssey. Or at least they have some vague Hollywood understanding of it. Like the BigChill said, there's only two stories in world history, really, and the Odyssey told both of them: Man rides into town, and man rides out. Now Lost is telling us a third story: man doesn't do doodley squat until the magic syndication number's reached. I mean, okay, I get that Des is Odysseus, but so WHAT? As soon as the old jeweller lady showed up last night, I threw up my hands. It was just like the Oracle in the Matrix movies, saying a bunch of shit and never explaining it, just to keep the story going."Oooh, I'm saying MYSTERIOUS things!" Just like Alias. JJ Abrams does this, and it's a cheap gimmick--throw a character in who says some crazy shit that doesn't make sense, and it gives you a thread to pick up later. You keep it going. But at this point, I don't care where they go with it. Last night was the first one I watched in a long time, and I won't be watching again anytime soon.
4 Toed Statue by _Maltheus_	Feb 15th, 2007 01:05:38 PM
That statue and the numbers are the two things I'm most interested in on this show. And if I were on that island I would be dropping everything to go check it out. That is assuming that Sayid, Jin and Sun even bothered to mention it to anybody. Even if it had five toes, I'd still be enthralled given its apparent size. Just what the hell do these people do all day anyway? I suppose that since they all live on the beach and the hatch is all blown up, then they probably spend most of their days fetching water (didn't they say that was like a three hour hike to the fresh water?). This show really needs a Hiro/Peter-type character who is actually curious about, you know, things. Still after two or three months, I'd expect them to have semi-permanent shelters and most of the island explored by now. Presumably the others know all about the statue and since I doubt it's integral to the plot, they should expand on it already. And why is no one pushing to build another boat? Has everyone just accepted that they are there to stay? If so they need to demonstrate that. Or there needs to be some kind of public reassessment of their situation. It still feels like they're wandering around the beach in a haze, like just after they crashed. I'm getting tired of focused individual stories, even if they are somewhat necessary to maintain the flashback structure.
Time travelin' by Thunderbolt Ross	Feb 15th, 2007 01:07:52 PM
Desmond obviously didn't go "back in time" in a literal, time-travel sense. That was pretty apparent from the woman in the shop. It seems to me that was all in his head.
I thought the numbers were already explained by PVIII	Feb 15th, 2007 01:15:31 PM
in the LOST experience. Was it non-canon?
Abrhams by PantherMatt	Feb 15th, 2007 01:17:32 PM
I think it's unfair to saddle JJ with the "Shows up and srews mystical mumbo jumbo" rap. I don't think he had a whole lot to do with last night's epsisode, and I don't think he had ANYTHING to do with the Two Shitty Thirds of the Matrix trilogy (or the good part either). Also, he didn't use this trick in Felicity or in M:I:III. What he is guilty of is the use of Out Of Sequence storytelling, but, damn dude, if you haven't figured out that Flashbacks and Fragmented storytelling are parts of Lost that no amount of complaining about will get rid of, I think it's better if you just stick with Heroes. Or Jericho. Honestly, though, I thinkyou should stick with the show! Mumbo Jumbo aside, it's hard to deny that the show is picking up steam!
Easter Eggs in Last Episode by LuxLisbon27	Feb 15th, 2007 01:26:05 PM
Not sure if this was posted last week or not but I think it bears repeating just because it's so f-ing creepy - check out the crazy Clockwork Orange scene from last week run backwards. You can hear a woman saying the words "Only Fools are enslaved by Time and Space" - http://losteastereggs.blogspot .com/2007/02/only-fools-are-en slaved-by-time-and.html
Re: Hume link by EWS	Feb 15th, 2007 01:43:51 PM
David Hume was also Scottish. He was also a massive atheist, and was not allowed to hold the chair of Philosophy at Edinbrugh University because he refused to believe in God. Whether that has a connection or not I have no idea.
History Abhors a Paradox by SilentP	Feb 15th, 2007 01:45:24 PM
Seriously, anyone else get a Soul Reaver/Legacy of Kain vibe from this ep? Just saying it's a coincidence, mind you, I... doubt the writers have ever actually played the games. :P
Dapper Swindler... by SilentP	Feb 15th, 2007 01:47:30 PM
You've tickled my interest. Say more, please (or at least link us up to the wherever that theory was suggested, man).
Daphmax/Replay by Mister Inbetween	Feb 15th, 2007 01:59:45 PM
I read it, and certainly thought of it as I watched this episode. The difference between the two is that the characters in Replay could and did change their fate. What I liked about this episode was that Des couldn't change fate. I'd like to think that it was really a flashback in the sense that what happened really did happen, and he was just experiencing it again, but with the awareness of it, and the knowledge of the future. The first time around was a time RAY for Des. This time it's a time LINE. Thanks for bringing up Replay. It was an enjoyable read which I burned through in several hours stuck in an airport.
Dapper by longshot7	Feb 15th, 2007 02:09:05 PM
can you post the Valenzetti Equation?
Valenzetti Equation by EWS	Feb 15th, 2007 02:14:04 PM
Was that not something from the Lost ARG?
Best episode yet of the best show on TV... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Feb 15th, 2007 02:16:45 PM
This show really rocked! It took LOST in a completely deeper direction without getting becoming mediocre in the process. I loved every moment of it! Did Desmond go back in time -- or was it a vision created by the island? We will see...
Lowest Rating Ever... by seanny_d	Feb 15th, 2007 02:26:19 PM
Despite the excellence of this episode, apparently, Lost scored it's lowest ratings of all time last night. I guess it won't be too much of a hassle for the creators to set an endpoint for the series given that they keep losing viewers. I just hope they're not forced to change anything as a result.
Valenzetti Equation is from the Lost Experience... by turketron	Feb 15th, 2007 02:31:46 PM
If you missed out on it and want to read up on the mythology stuff that was revealed, this place has a good summary: http://thelostexperienceacts.b logspot.com/ You have to read starting at the bottom though. From there, "The video starts out with an "orientation" film featuring none other than Alvar Hanso himself. It was apparently filmed sometime back in the 70's. In this film, Alvar explains his involvment with the DeGroots and the formation and intended purpose of the DHARMA Initiative. In a nut shell, he revealed that the "numbers" (4 8 15 16 23 42) are the core numerical values contained in the Valenzetti Equation. The entire purpose of sending the DHARMA Initiative to the "island" was to study the Equation and these core "environmental" factors and somehow alter them in order to find a solution to prevent mankind from destroying itself. "
Seanny d... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Feb 15th, 2007 02:48:18 PM
That rating was for LAST WEEK's episode. Apparently, the move to 10 P.M. (eastern) affected the viewership -- particularly amongst the young and old. This week's final numbers will not be revealed until the week is finished.
Move back to 8 P.M. (eastern)... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Feb 15th, 2007 02:53:02 PM
The fact that LOST will have strong but slightly lower ratings in the 10 P.M. (eastern) timeslot makes me HOPE that LOST will move back to the 8 P.M. (eastern) timeslot! Please ABC!?!?!?!?
More on the solution to Lost by Dapper Swindler	Feb 15th, 2007 03:00:28 PM
Hopefully you've already seen the Lost Experience video (google it) which explains how the Dharma Initiative was created to change to core environmental factors that the Valenzetti Equation predicted would dictate the end of the world. These factors are 4,8,15,16,23,42. You have to wrap you head around this wildly metaphysical and quantum physical science fiction idea that space, matter, and consciousness are all connected on a sub atomic level and that the equation is no less than a way to predict and control fate or probability. The Dharma Initiative set about changing the factors of the equation, but it is the island itself that has the power to apply those changes. The island possesses geologically unique electromagnetic energy, perhaps this stuff is the key to shifting the sub atomic properties of the universe and potentially creating a new fate. My personal theory is that when "The Incident" occurred, it accidentally applied new factors and created a new fate for the world. Since then, about twenty years ago, the universe has been "course correcting" itself to bring about this destiny. A series of causes and effects are being created. That's sort of what Desmond's episode last night showed us. The causes seem inconsequential - Desmond does not buy the ring. But they eventually lead to a more important effect - Desmond blows up the hatch. Which is itself a cause that will eventually lead up to a final fate of the world - whatever it may be. At the risk of sounding cheesey, the characters on Lost are kind of cosmic chess pieces that are being put in place by the unseen forces of probability so that they will bring about the fate of the world. I think that's why there are so many seemingly inconsequential meetings of the characters in the past. They only seemed inconsequential to us because the Valenzetti Equation was in such an early stage of woring itself out. And now, apparently Charlie's death is something that needs to happen as a part of these series of events. The Valenzetti Equation has already been accidentally applied, and the fate of the world has been decided - Desmond has shown us that you can only fight fate for so long, probability will catch up sooner or later. Now there would have still been a chance to apply a different fate to the world, if Desmond had not released all the electromagnetic energy from the island when he turned the key. Now they're SOL. Chew on that, let me know what you think, and we'll talk more.
Good stuff Dapper by turketron	Feb 15th, 2007 03:24:13 PM
I like how your theory ties in the incident, flashbacks/character crosses, and what may have happened now that Desmond used the failsafe key. I'm hoping they drop some more major mythology chunks on us, it's the most intriguing part of the show (not love triangles, for the love of all that is holy).
If Charlie suddenly says by Mister Inbetween	Feb 15th, 2007 03:39:26 PM
"Oi Des,you're the out-of-his-box bloke from London what cocked up me buskin" we'll know at least the past is unchanged.
is it possible...? by Mister Inbetween	Feb 15th, 2007 03:42:41 PM
And I'm sure somebody else has thought of this, but maybe hitting the button maintained a time loop and now that the buttion is gone, time marches on. Maybe the island was an isolated bubble of time/space and now it's become sort of untethered.
Perhaps untethered... definitely isolated by turketron	Feb 15th, 2007 03:49:01 PM
The destruction of the Swan has definitely FUBAR'd something, as now the Others apparently cannot communicate with the rest of the world (coms have been down since the sky turned purple). Wonder how Michael and WAAAALT are doing... betcha they'll turn up by the end of the year, and by being outside of any time dilation effects, they may end up aging (which will be a great way to explain Walt's growth). The allusion to black holes could be a way to introduce us to the phenomenon.
Mister Inbetween/Replay by Daphmax	Feb 15th, 2007 04:04:25 PM
What really struck me was the fact that the characters in the book could make small changes but not large-leap/global changes. The main character (name eludes me right now) can win a bet on a horse race, but he can't stop the JFK murder, as the impact is too big. As they keep replaying through time, they learn to nuance their detours ... in one time loop (where they try to tell the government what's happening) I think they make enough small changes that they eventually amount to large ones. But the parallel about the universe course correcting was what reminded me of the book ... and your untethered time loop theory works for me ... Dapper: nice, thanks for the details. General comment: when Desmond first appears to us in the hatch and jumps up to the music and starts doing situps, isn't he wearing red sneakers?
Walt's Ability by Dapper Swindler	Feb 15th, 2007 04:35:57 PM
Good to be able to talk about this stuff with you guys. I want to share my explanation of Walt and his powers, starting with the polar bears. When the polar bears were found on the island, many people watching the show noticed that Walt was reading a comic book that featured a polar bear in it. They came up with a theory that Walt somehow made the polar bears appear on the island out of thin air. Not exactly true. Then later we learn about the bear cages, the polar bear footage, and the experiments with zoology by the Dharma Initiative. Then the theory became that the polar bears were brought to the island for some kind of research and it was just a coincidence that they were in Walt's comic. Actually, both theories are correct at the same time. Walt cannot make things appear out of thin air, but he does somehow affect the probability of things to happen. Walt seems to unconsciously fate things to happen. In other words, Walt somehow can course correct the universe to affect the probabilities of things happening. Walt didn't make polar bears appear out of nowhere but he did cause the universe to create a series of circumstances that would have them appear (the zoological experiments of the dharma initiative). Walt makes coincidences happen. Walt didn't make that bird fly into the window by reading a book about birds - the bird flew into the window for whatever reason. But Walt did create the coincidence of it happening. Affecting probability, creating coincidences, that's the idea of the show. Like the coincidence of Jack running into Desmond at the stadium in the past. Or the hundreds of other coincidences that have occurred on the show.
I'll bite, Dapper. by Fabulous Freak	Feb 15th, 2007 04:39:29 PM
Since I find the other speculations insufficent. I'm intrigued.
JULIET IS THE ORACLE by The Real MiraJeff	Feb 15th, 2007 04:41:47 PM
The older woman played by Fionnula Flanagan IS Juliet, but way older. When she said that "none of us would be here" she was referring to "us" as everyone on the island. Now why does Desmond have to go to the island. Because if he didn't then he and Penelope would live happily ever after. He has to go so that years later, Penelope will look for him and eventually find and rescue everyone on the island. Desmond can't time-travel, it's Juliet who can. That's why she can impregnate male field mice and help her sister get pregnant despite her having ovarian cancer. Juliet is from the future. Also, Ben is superhuman. The poster who mentioned how Michael Emerson was told to act while walking up the hill hit the nail on the head. The reason he never worried or got really scared while Jack and Co. held him captive is because he knew he could escape anytime he wanted. But he knew if he did then the gig would be up. He can't let Jack and Co. know that the Others have been imbued with special powers. And not everyone has these powers either. Why do you think The Others trust Ben as their leader? Because he's the oldest? No. It's about power and fear. Why would Mr. Friendly and Danny let some scrawny little dude run the show. Um, because he has certain powers (which we don't know about yet) that get them to fall in line. It's also more than likely that he can regenerate, and that he never needed Jack to perform surgery, it was all just a test to get Jack to trust Juliet. You have to ask yourselves what each character wants. What is everyone's motivation? Some people, like Locke, don't want to leave the island because they're afraid they'll revert back to their old selves. Locke won't be able to walk, Charlie will become a heroin addict again, Hurley will be rich and unable to trust anyone around him, Kate will keep running, etc. Meanwhile, The Others want off the island so they can be normal again. It's classic X-Men thinking people, c'mon!
People Hate Charlie by bigpth	Feb 15th, 2007 04:48:04 PM
because in real life, he is banging Freckles. That little hobbit has it too damn good...
Vanburen, I know what ADD is by oisin5199	Feb 15th, 2007 04:56:34 PM
It's dropping by a talkback, trolling and insulting a show that you don't even watch and moving on. Let's see where ZS goes next! And oh yeah, I have an island theory. At some point, a new group of travelers is going to be sent to find the old ones who have become trapped by the sentient island. One of the new ones can control weather and another can pop claws out of his hands. It's the All-New, All-Different D-Men (D for Dharma). Namaste, bitch!
"Now THAT'S how you drive!" by Triumph poops!	Feb 15th, 2007 04:58:26 PM
Personally, I thought that had to be one of the very BEST episodes for the show so far. I always liked Desmond, I always thought he was one of the better newly introduced Islandees -- I mean, come on, Desmond versus Ana, who would you rather be following? -- so I'm definitely psyched to see him becoming a more prominent character. Of course I still hate that Ecko bought it (since other than Locke he had been my favorite Islander), but Desmond's story arc is quickly shaping up as among the very best of the lot. As for this episode, I'll just say this. Dear LOST creators: THAT was the kind of episode that got us totally crazy for this show in the first place, that made LOST instantly jump to the top of the ratings. That's the kind of pacing, scripting, directing, and acting we came to expect the show would deliver each week when we tuned in. I've been as vocal as anyone of late that the show had gone astray and was rapidly losing steam, but last night's episode was like a bucket of cold water to the face. For the first time in ages I actually felt the old rush of Season 1 excitement simply because WORTHWHILE story advancement clues were being dropped. You guys hit a homerun, now just keep 'em coming exactly like that. Or as Will Smith put it in BAD BOYS, "Now THAT'S how you supposed to drive! From now on THAT'S how you drive!"
So Dapper... by PwnedByStallone	Feb 15th, 2007 05:37:04 PM
what is the fate of the world? what are they trying to bring about? And is Charlie going to be turned into some Christ-like figure that has to sacrifice himself in order to save the uinverse?
Also Dapper.. by PwnedByStallone	Feb 15th, 2007 05:37:57 PM
does your theory explain the images people see (horse; drowning Walt) or the smoke monster?
Word by Fabulous Freak	Feb 15th, 2007 05:41:05 PM
Its nice to see a legitimate exchange of theories. It can get old sorting through the bickering and name calling. Juliet as the jeweler? Possibly, she is deifinately a wildcard, and its hard to let go of this feeling that she is gonna turn out to be totally evil.
Also by Fabulous Freak	Feb 15th, 2007 05:45:39 PM
Obviously Des is going to have to do something "great" at some point, if only to prove the old man wrong and make his existance more meaningful that a pusher of buttons. Perhapse he will sacrafice himself for Charlie.
Juliet? by Mister Inbetween	Feb 15th, 2007 05:50:39 PM
Dunno. Why'd she end up with an accent? (granted it wasn't the best accent, but I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be.)
Inbetween by Fabulous Freak	Feb 15th, 2007 06:16:28 PM
I also wondered about the accent.
Damn, it's Eko you guys. E-K-O. by Ribbons	Feb 15th, 2007 06:16:31 PM
I'm probably gonna catch shit from someone for this post, and I'll probably deserve it, but it's spelled Eko. People still spell it Echo or, weirder still, Ecko. Why? You have to see everybody else spelling it E-K-O. Why do you think we spell Echo so weirdly, for shits and giggles? Even in death, Mister Eko can't get no respect. [/rant]
Weak by NudeandAroused	Feb 15th, 2007 06:18:10 PM
Unlike last week's, this was a very weak episode. Desmond is OK. Charlie, Claire and Hurley are weak. Hurley's "Dude" remarks are getting almost comical. I think that they are forced. I think the show needs to stream line all its characters.
PwnedbyStallone - Smoke Monster? by Dapper Swindler	Feb 15th, 2007 06:23:33 PM
I think it's safe to assume that most if not all of the images the characters are seeing on the island are the smoke monster (I think the producers verified this during last episodes pre-show recap). But I have absolutely no idea what the smoke monster is. I'm hesitant about going along with any theories regarding "nano" or "micro" technology, I think there's a better explanation out there. I also have no idea how they survived the plane crash. But I think the same answer (whatever it is) as to how they survived the crash is the same answer as to how Locke and Rose were healed of their ailments, and how they survived the hatch explosion. What is the fate of the world that has been predetermined? Since there was an Incident and the Dharma Initiative failed I don't think it's a good one. But what I think is going to happen is that Charlie isn't going to die. They are going to figure out a way to defy fate, defy probability, and allow him a chance to live. And however they figure out how to do that, they can then use that method to take the world off the tracks to its fate as well - and thus give the world a chance to endure indefinitely unaffected by unnaturally influenced probability. Then we'll get an uplifting message about how people can create their own fate and can make their own luck that isn't guided by controlled forces. That's would I would have happen if I was the writer anyway.
How pissed or depressed do you think people would be... by Triumph poops!	Feb 15th, 2007 07:06:18 PM
...if the ultimate ending to LOST, that is in the final episode, centered on them NOT being able to stop events that are in motion and the world DID come to an end? Man, that would be ballsy to have this ultimately be an "End of the world" series where the world really DOES end. Actually, would that be a first? I can't think of any TV show where the series ever ended with the Earth actually being destroyed!
@The Ender Smites Foes by RaveX	Feb 15th, 2007 07:50:56 PM
"I mean, seriously, name one show out there who made a more compelling, better acted, better produced episode than this in the last few years." let's say last 3 years, m'kay...? Angel - You're Welcome - A Hole in the World Veronica Mars - Leave It to Beaver - Not Pictured 24 - Day 5: 6:00 PM - 7:00 PM Scrubs - My Screw Up - My Way Home Supernatural - Devil's Trap House - Three Stories Desperate Housewives (yeah, I watch that, shut the frak up...) - Bang! Battlestar Galactica - Hmmmmm... well, pretty much every single episode. Other then Black Market, ofc... And just for the record, this was a fine episode, but nowhere near as good as s01 was. Walkabout ftw.
Sorry if this has been mentioned about the ratings but. by Bouncy X	Feb 15th, 2007 07:54:23 PM
another reason last weeks episode had bad ratings is that there was a major fuck up, well least here on the east coast....there was no picture and only sound. thats probably why they replayed the episode last night at 9. Luckily i get these time zone channels so i watched it somewhere else but i knew that would affect ratings.
Similarities to Mobil Ave. Station in Matrix by McGsStepson	Feb 15th, 2007 09:13:16 PM
Anyone remember the subway stop that Neo could not escape from in Revolutions - a port between places that was not controlled by either of the "realities" that it connected and could keep people in a permanent state of "limbo"?
And... by McGsStepson	Feb 15th, 2007 09:22:22 PM
Instead of two realities that the island connects as a portal, it is the past and the future. And if LOST island is destroyed or unstable or jeopardized then the past and the future - as "currently" iterated - are in jeopardy and by turn, the existences of the Lost castaways - before and after the crash as these people know themselves - are in jeopardy.
Charlie... by TheBigChill	Feb 15th, 2007 10:10:15 PM
Did Charlie move to England at any point, because I thought he was from Australia? I could be very wrong.
Ok by aportee	Feb 15th, 2007 10:12:04 PM
Love wed episode. However, the show is taking after Donnie Darko. If anyone seen the movie, you would know what I mean.
TIme Travel Malarkey by Thunderbolt Ross	Feb 15th, 2007 10:45:17 PM
Someone tell me why that was time travel and not just life-flashing-before-you, like Desmond described it. Seems to me there was nothing at all to indicate it was "really" time travel, and pretty much everything to indicate it was more or less a type of dream sequence. How bout you Dapper?
TIme Travel Malarkey by Thunderbolt Ross	Feb 15th, 2007 10:45:21 PM
Someone tell me why that was time travel and not just life-flashing-before-you, like Desmond described it. Seems to me there was nothing at all to indicate it was "really" time travel, and pretty much everything to indicate it was more or less a type of dream sequence. How bout you Dapper?
Only Fools Are Enslaved by Time and Space by oisin5199	Feb 15th, 2007 11:48:39 PM
btw, my stepson tells me that this is a quote from a Richard Bach book. Anyone know it?
Theory on the hostility of The Others by RKDN Del Sol	Feb 16th, 2007 12:39:22 AM
Perhaps Desmond isn't the only person on the island that sees flashes of the future. Perhaps Ben or some of the Others can, too. And perhaps the actions they have taken that seem aggresive and hostile in our eyes are validated in theirs based on what they see in the future. Perhaps they took Jack, Kate, and Sawyer because they knew that their lives were in danger, and there is an effort to change the future. Back when the internet 'meta-game' was running, it was discovered that one of Dharma's primary objectives was attempting to resolve a mathematical equation that accurately predicted the end of mankind as we know it, and that its experiments on the island were varios efforts to 'derail' the unfolding of the future. While Desmond has been (all too easily) convinced that this destiny can be modified but not changed, perhaps Dharma has begun to discover that this is not actually the case. And perhaps they are the Good Guys because they're engaged in a daily effort to keep our world intact - to continually keep the inevitable hand of fate at bay, much as Desmond continues to save Charley. Bookmark this post - I'm dead on about this.
Swindler: Awesome post. by warp11	Feb 16th, 2007 12:54:38 AM
Swindler: I really think you are onto something.
the guy who created the whisky is the guy w/ eye patch by warp11	Feb 16th, 2007 12:55:31 AM
They said something about about him being lost at sea....
Thunderbolt Ross - Desmond's "Time Travel" by Dapper Swindler	Feb 16th, 2007 01:02:52 AM
No, I don't think Desmond was time travelling - at least not how we usually think of it. But its not quite exactly a life flashing before his eyes either. As I understand it, and I could be off, Desmond just cannot see time in terms of past, present, and future anymore. He sees it all happening at the same time. He sees the future as if it were the past and sees the past as if it were the present. So from his point of view he is time travelling in a sense, since time has no meaning. But since it is from only his point of view, he can't actually change the past - the past from our reference point. He can't actually go back into the past because to him there is no past. What's key to making sense of this is realizing that he can remember what will happen in the future, even as the future changes - because the future is always the present to him. If time is a product of our perception of it, then Desmond didn't change things in THE past but only changed things in A perception of it. And since his perception of the past has no relevance on THE actual past, he can't actually travel back through time and change anything that has already happened. I hope something in that sticks, I'm kind of talking out of my ass.
Who is Number One? You are Number Six. by smellmycheese	Feb 16th, 2007 04:26:16 AM
SPOILER - Probably best not to read this if you've not yet watched Patrick McGoohan's The Prisoner.... So I finally watched Lost 03-08 last night (thank you my American cousins) and for the 2nd week running this show overtly reminded me of The Prisoner (no bad thing at all - be influenced all you like!). Sure, there's been many similarities up 'til now (the most obvious being the protagonists being trapped at a mysterious location against their will) but what with Carl's crazy light show therapy last week and Desmond's "Many Happy Returns" style flashback this week, well I'm seeing a resemblance. Which got me thinking... most people now are under the impression there's 2 sets of others - one including Ben, Tom and Juliet (another Prisoner), the 2nd being the supernatural, more powerful ones, who whisper in the trees and all. So, to continue this Prisoner analogy, if Ben et al. are 'Number Two'... who is Number One? "You are, Number Six" .... and while i'm hoping Lost's resolution isn't quite as abstract as The Prisoner's, the smoke monster certainly suggests to be the product of their combined subconsciousness (like "My name is Legion: for we are many"). Unlike many others, I like the flashbacks and think they're directly tied to island events. Are the characters experiencing something now that reminds them of something then, which is what we're led to believe, or are the supernatural Others / Smokey stimulating their memories to remind them of certain events to make them react and behave in a particular way? This certainly happened to Desmond... but unlike the other Losties, he was aware of the fact. I'm thinking Desmond's NOT travelling through time but is merely aware of his memories being stimulated and manipulated. He's now tapped in to the subconscious of the Island (which is why he is able to predict "the future" - or, more accurately, is aware of the Island's manipulations and intentions). Which begs the question, was he "chosen" or was it an accident resulting from the hatch incident? Will Desmond now (inadvertently) be doing Their bidding or will he prove to be a threat to Them? .... I dunno, but for a fan who was beginning to tire of the show, last night certainly rejuvenated my interest. I'm looking forward to seeing how things develop from here.
desmondo is gonna be a busy boy by kingoflight	Feb 16th, 2007 07:04:01 AM
And i like it, i think desomonds character needs alot more screen time thus why Flash before my eyes was the best lost episode since we first meet desmond. i am liking the way we know charlie will die, now its only a matter of when. Also it seams like balance for Eko as that was a shit way to go and also very annoying. I felt that Eko was killed just as he came to his emotional best on the island and he was killed for it. :( i guess you have to belive in god to live on the island. Desmondo for island president ! untill next week laters
Best epsiode this season by BeatsMe	Feb 16th, 2007 07:09:22 AM
Finally. A decent episode. Watching the beachies made me realize how bored I'd been by the Others' story. I totally agree with whoever said they've killed the show's momentum by pulling back the curtain on the bad guys. This week's ep had some mystery, was well written (Goddard, of course) and well acted (I love the actor who plays Desmund, and the beach cast seemed to be thrilled to have some screentime again)
Warp 10 by rbrog77	Feb 16th, 2007 07:38:57 AM
1st talkback post here, so be gentle. I love some of these theories, and I agree it's something having to do with time but not necessarily time travel. This post deals only with what we/I believe is the time aspect of the show. There was an episode of STNG where, if I remember correctly, the enterprise or some other ship reached Warp 10. At that point they were everywhere in the universe at once. Let's apply that idea to time, but in a limited way. Suppose time for Desmond, and possibly others on the island, is like Warp 10 but only during your life span...past, present and future. Like I said, 1st post. Be gentle.
Time Travel Again by Thunderbolt Ross	Feb 16th, 2007 08:41:12 AM
First of all that double post was not my fault! I can get with the idea of Desmond engaging in a time-travel-but-not-time-trave l-per-se thing, but I feel likeat least one thing makes it seem like a wholly internal (ie in his head) phenomenon, and that's the fact that the lady starts talking to him about what he's doing. He even says at one point that she's his conscience or whatever, and I think that's more or less supposed to be the score. That's not to say he's not unstuck in time or whatever now, just that that episode's flashback didn't really "happen". It's not as if he went back in time and retraced his steps to get abck to the island anyway. He was hit in the head with a cricket bat and woke up more or less where he lost consciousness.
12 Million Viewers?? by Mr. Profit	Feb 16th, 2007 09:03:17 AM
I know most networks would still kill for 12 million viewers, but that drop is too serious. Maybe it's time to move Lost to another night. I'm sure it would do better than Men in Trees is doing right after Grey's Anatomy.
Loved this one... by Ninja Nerd	Feb 16th, 2007 09:43:23 AM
...which is good, because Lost had moved from "gotta be in front of the box" to DVR queue this season. I even debated dumping it altogether...kind of like WoW...it was becoming an annoying time-waster. This episode let them retain this viewer for a while longer. Probably the best episode since Season 1.
Time on the island by Jor-El23	Feb 16th, 2007 10:18:27 AM
What if it moves very slowly, or not at all? What if that's why people are "healed"?
good call aportee by _Maltheus_	Feb 16th, 2007 10:23:44 AM
I definitely got a Donnie Darko feel from this ep. Maybe even a Donnie Darko meets the Matrix kind of thing. And while I enjoyed this episode, I think that guy calling it the best hour on TV in years might be taking it a bit far. Hell, even the season 2 finale topped this in my mind. And if you didn't see Exodus Pt. II on BSG this year, then you've yet to see compelling. The Dexter season finale was also up there. Rome has had a bunch too, not the least of which is THIRTEEN, THIRTEEN! I saw this episode more as a set up rather than a pay off. And I'm not sure that I'm down with the premise. I always knew this day would come with this show. I always suspected that when they drew the curtain back that we'd be left with magic. Not being able to change what the universe wants qualifies as magic in my book. It doesn't necessarily ruin the show, but it certainly diminishes it in my eyes. Time travel can be cool, if done right. I prefer an examination of the implications of time travel, rather than a set of rules that keep you from having to examine it. Still, if they keep it at this caliber, I'll be happy.
on ratings by _Maltheus_	Feb 16th, 2007 10:35:38 AM
Just read an article saying the ratings have crashed and this episode hit an all time low. Not surprising. I hated the first six, but I still knew people defending them and going on and on about how it was their favorite show. Those two did a 180 with last weeks episode. That seventh episode dealing with the same ole crap, after a long hiatus, pushed them over the edge. It was as if all the pent up boredom came rising to the surface. I know many others who stopped watching during the first six. I hope the producers of Lost take this to heart and start revealing more of the secrets already. And no that doesn't ruin the show cause they have an endless supply and they keep introducing new ones. Like this last ep sort of answered what happened to Desmond, and then opened up a whole bunch of new questions. Would it really hurt the story to say, get the whole vaccine issue resolved? Or any number of tiny issues? Good shows grow and change and don't just harp over the same material over and over again.
out of focus bikini girl by Napoleon Park	Feb 16th, 2007 10:37:11 AM
I for one always wanted to know more about the original plane crash survivors before the show became all about the tailies and the others. there were 48 and we's still met less than half. As abruptly handled as it was, I liked the intro of Nikki and paolo, who you seemed to have dubbed take a shit guy. Remember, when we first saw Charlie he was headed for the airplane restroom too. * Personally, I'd love to see an episode about out of focus bikini-clad girl in which every one of her flashbacks has her in a bikini and contains at least one scene in which she's out of focus. * There's a thought... what if all the AICN talkbackers who are whiny little bes who can't grasp the idea that the solution to a mystery isn't given away in the middle of the story - or worse, don't get that the flashbacks are the format of the show - and keep threatening to stop watching the show just all stfu and stopped watching the show and posting their hate about it. Actually we know what would happen: best episode, worst ratings. Oh well, at least "Medium" amd "CSI:New York" have self contained episodes and minimal continuity or unsolved mysteries, so they have something to watch. * This would not be a best episode of the season if i thought it was some lame "let's do a time travel story because Heroes is popular" move. But it isn't: Desmond saw his entire life flash before his eyes when he turned the key, including his future life. No time travel, no psychic ability, he merely remembers the future. *** However, I have to say, I watched last weeks recap/clip show and the show Lindelhof and Cuse described sounds a lot better than the one they're actually airing. And I read where, in their opinion, the series is right about at its half-way point. Two and a half seasons in is half of five years. They say they'd like 100 episodes, and five years is about 110. It's still up to ABC to let them nail down a end date, but if there's a season six, it will be the shows Twin Peaks/X-Files style shark jump.
Ratings on Valentine's Day... by Professor Falcon	Feb 16th, 2007 11:43:15 AM
...were nearly 10% lower for all of television that evening. And as it's been noted on here before, L O S T continually wins the target demographic every time. Some of you may not understand what that means, but that, when combined with the downloads (L O S T is the # 1 show in weekly downloads) and the massive DVD sales (far more than any other show currently on air) have become more important than those archaic Nielsen ratings. We're living in a different world now. Simple "ratings" mean next to nothing anymore. L O S T will continue to be a gold mine for ABC for quite some time.
Ratings by Jor-El23	Feb 16th, 2007 11:48:47 AM
are still pretty good for this show. they're not astronomical but that's because the majority of the viewing public prefers easy crap like Grey's Anatomy and American Idol. Heroes is a great show, but it's much easier to watch than Lost. By no means is it mindless, but I think it's doing right now what Lost did when it first started out. If Heroes got more complicated then viewership would probably drop. It's why Friday Night Lights isn't successful, or Studio 60.
The truth about Ms. Hawking by hockey2112	Feb 16th, 2007 01:28:34 PM
She's an "Other"! Take a look at her movie credits in 2001 for proof! http://www.imdb.com/name/nm000 1217/
Napoleon Park by Thunderbolt Ross	Feb 16th, 2007 01:41:05 PM
Thank you for your insightful observation about what happened to Desmond. Hopefully now people will stop posting that he traveled in time and how cool/lame it is. As the fat gangster said in Dumb and Dumber: "Guys! Guys! Guys!"
I agree, swindler by Novaman5000	Feb 16th, 2007 01:42:01 PM
It does all come down to the valenzetti Equation. I believe the others were trying to find a way to pinpoint the exact end of the world and subvert it. Dharma means the search for universal truth. Perhaps the only thing we can be really certain of is that everything ends, our universe being no different. The Dharma initiative was looking for the connections between everything- trying to discover where it all ends. That's why something like keeping the hatch station open was "saving the world" as it was allowing them to continue research. Ultimately, though, it seems everyone is hurtling towards an end that they won't be able to stop, and I fucking love that.
Napoleon by PwnedByStallone	Feb 16th, 2007 02:50:21 PM
I agree with you about Paolo and the other chick and definitely think 5 episodes is just right (lets just hope it makes it that long). but I don't necessarily agree with your assessment of Desmond. I think it remains to be seen.
Change the main page animation, please! by Venkie007	Feb 16th, 2007 02:59:28 PM
Seriously- it's almost March.
Re: Lower ratings by SilentP	Feb 16th, 2007 03:39:33 PM
You know, if they revealed some of the information that was already revealed through the stupid Lost Experience in the show, I'm pretty sure there would be far fewer complaints from people. I've been looking through lostpedia.com, and jesus christ there's a lot of info there. The numbers are the most important - as mentioned numerous times on this page, they basically fully freaking explained them in the game already, so why not just do it on the show?
Unless... by SilentP	Feb 16th, 2007 03:42:48 PM
...the videos from the Lost Experience are supposed to be part of some massive hoax, and all the information in them is a total lie. Which might be possible, lol. Though I'm sure such a revelation would not sit well with fans.
Danielle, Alex and Ben by snowrane	Feb 16th, 2007 03:54:05 PM
Just wondering if anyone noticed or perhaps I missed the answer to this... Did anyone catch if Alex actually referred to Ben as her father or are we still speculating on who her daddy is? If so, am I wrong in wondering now that Danielle is really her mother. Wasn't it her (the frenchwoman) and her trap that brought Ben/Henry to the 815er's? Wouldn't she have recongnized him? Any ideas on this?
snowrane by SilentP	Feb 16th, 2007 04:01:07 PM
I would assume Ben is her adopted father, after she was taken from Rousseau.
snow, i wanted to check on this as well by Novaman5000	Feb 16th, 2007 04:14:17 PM
alex says to aldo: if you don't believe my father said to do this, ask him. aldo then picks up the radio and says "I need ben", so we're led to assume ben is her adoptive father... we dont know for sure, though. Also, I don't think Desmond went back in time, but I think Napoleon's answer is too easy. I think what we saw was a combination of a flashback and dreamm. He was remembering parts of his life and inserting his current self into them. That's why his only recollection was of people he had met previous to the hatch explosion- all the flashes of island people were of them in season 2, not 3. He hadn't seen them from the future, he had already seen them and was going back. It's sort of complicated... It's possible that desmond did sort of quantum leap senario, where he popped back into his previous life when he turned the key, only to pop back out once he had done what he was supposed to do- aka break up with penny and set the course that would lead him to the island. I don't totally understand it, either, and I really hope the writers are planning on making it clear by the end of the series.
Wow, JJ & Co. it took you a whole frickin episode... by redtom	Feb 16th, 2007 05:06:27 PM
...just to say 5 simple words Charlie. Is. Going. To. Die. Next. - wow-fuckin-ee - my, what a big pen you have there grandma... all the better to keep spinnin this shit out, my dear....
Alex's father by snowrane	Feb 16th, 2007 09:26:59 PM
Thanks SilentP and Novaman5000. I really didn't think about him being an 'adoptive' father because of the Others nefarious seeming obsession with pregnancy and children. I guess I just made the leap. But this could lead to another interesting thought using Dapper Swindler's theory. Let's say Ben is the biological father and by using the Valenzetti Equation and manipulated, affected or caused the island to bring her and her crew to the island. What a great episode.
Man with RED SHOES by Executor	Feb 16th, 2007 10:17:39 PM
Dead...or Locke??? They lingered on that TOOOOOOO long in my humble opinion. Maybe he didn't really die...maybe we'll find Locke wearing some red shoes at that construction site in his "wheelchair origins" flashback episode. Just a thought...
Equation = Fake by mill67	Feb 16th, 2007 10:46:01 PM
it's not a theory, it's a creation of the lost experience...go to http://www.valenzettiequation. com/...click "the equation"...click page 5...it cites "flight 815" as proof...
more equation by mill67	Feb 16th, 2007 10:50:46 PM
supposedly written by "Gary Troup"...you know, the famous "purgatory". this show is going in cirlces. "Look, kids! Big Ben! Parliament!"
Dude, nobody actually believes it's a real theory by SilentP	Feb 17th, 2007 02:45:40 AM
wtf, of course it's from the lost experience.
RIP Charlie... Ya think? by Henry Fool	Feb 17th, 2007 04:24:31 AM
With the exception of Libby, one thing I like about 'Lost' is that when they kill off a character, they wrap up there arc so that the death feels complete. Even, Eko finally came to terms with who he was, although I think that the Island probably felt he should've denounced his past. Now that Charlie's death has been forecast, it feels like Charlie's role in the story may be complete. He's overcome his addiction, and gotten the girl. It'll be sad if he dies, but it's gonna be intense watching him and Desmond try to wrestle fate. Who knows, maybe this is a red herring. Only time will tell...
That projection of Walt that by Dapper Swindler	Feb 17th, 2007 12:27:13 PM
That projection of Walt that Shannon was seeing may not have been caused by Walt at all - could just be the smoke monster. Did it purposefully lead her into getting shot by Ana Lucia? I don't think Charlie will die just from a story perspective. Having him die after it was declared that he would die would just remove any drama from his death. But we'll see. It's pretty clear that Ben is Alex's adoptive father. Not only did Aldo call Ben, as Novaman pointed out, but something was also said about her father not being "awake" at the moment - Ben was unconscious during his surgery. It will be interesting to see what kind of relationship Ben and Alex have. If Alex was taken as a baby, maybe she believes Ben is her real father. And how do I put page breaks in my posts?
As smarmy as Dapper Swindler sounds... by Talkbacker with no name	Feb 17th, 2007 01:58:35 PM
I think he's on to something with all thisbut needs a lot of holes filled in to stand up. After everything I've read and heard since the series began, I think this theory is the one that has most made sense. (no space).
break in your posts by Talkbacker with no name	Feb 17th, 2007 02:00:09 PM
I messed it up :) < then p > (no spaces)
Great episode by Jack Burton	Feb 17th, 2007 04:05:17 PM
I think all the frustration that some people have with the show is going to start to go away. Whether they can regain the huge numbers they had at the start of the show is beside the point. The numbers are solid enough to keep it renewed and that is all that matters. I think it should have an end date and I think a 5 year run would be sufficient but if the story can run longer without a lot of padding then great. Lost is more like a book then any show on TV which is probably why less patient viewers are fleeing. The writers have said they feel that the Lost story is now at it's half way point. Which makes sense. We are starting to get answers to questions and it seems the big questions are about to reveal themselves. When it's all over I'm betting that Lost is going to be a regarded as a classic. For now I'm just enjoying the rides. For the record, I think Nikki and Paulo are the skeletons in the cave from season 1.
Makes me wonder by Shaw	Feb 17th, 2007 08:59:56 PM
Have all of these flashbacks we've been seeing been actual flashbacks at all. Or have all of the characters been going through the same things Desmond went through but he was the only one who became conscious during it? Also makes me wonder if what I just wrote makes any sense.
Desmond's "Flashback" by SamirNagheenanajar	Feb 17th, 2007 11:45:36 PM
don't feel like scrolling up (i'm lazy) but it was mentioned several times that desmond did actually travel through time and placed himself in a flashback. can you explain why in jack's flashback from last season (i think it was last season) he meets desmond while running the stairs in a stadium and desmond clearly recognizes him? maybe desmond did, in fact, travel through time.
oops by SamirNagheenanajar	Feb 17th, 2007 11:46:47 PM
corrected text below. please forgive me. it's past my bed time. don't feel like scrolling up (i'm lazy) but it was mentioned several times that desmond didn't actually travel through time and placed himself in a flashback. can you explain why in jack's flashback from last season (i think it was last season) he meets desmond while running the stairs in a stadium and desmond clearly recognizes him? maybe desmond did, in fact, travel through time.

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