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UPDATED! Joss Whedon off of WONDER WOMAN, who'll lasso her next?

sucksn to be Whedon by RealDoubleJ	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:05:26 PM
Karma making up for a shit last season of Buffy
Who plays WW? by RowanM	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:06:14 PM
Any ideas?
YES!!!!! by kintar0	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:07:55 PM
Maybe there is a god.
Really looking forward to this by BannedOnTheRun	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:09:09 PM
I hope it's as good as Catwoman.
Wonder Woman= by kintar0	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:10:45 PM
Brooke Burns. tinyurl.com/2yuapc
NOoooooo by Spacekicker2001	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:11:15 PM
That's lame sigh. Well Tru Calling is off the air..maybe a faith show?
THIS YEAR'S LITTLE MISS BONDAGE!!! by Err	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:13:18 PM
That's all Wonder Woman promotes. Wizard magazine is gonna go apeshit over this.
eh er i guess ?!? by kingoflight	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:15:53 PM
bullet proof wrist bands.... Bird wearing a american flag and tin foil.... thats about as much i know about her, hell i am just waiting for the costume......
Two words: Jessica Alba by chrth	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:17:21 PM
That way even if the movie sucks, it'll be enjoyable to watch.
You do know they brought a script 2 days ago? Dont you? by silentbobafett2	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:18:16 PM
I saw it on Dark Horizons... trouble brewed then! BUt theres is set in WW2! :-)
Im almost Glad....Cobie Smulders?...Yikes NO. by SydBarretsMyDad	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:19:48 PM
Im sorry, just...no. Hopefully one of the projects hes gonna work on is the Spike movie.
Another Comic Book movie..., I can hardly Zzzzzzzzzzz! by Pound Sand	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:20:33 PM
And seriously, "whedonesque," is the website address? Joss, you're a grown man, right?
Speaking of 'enjoyable to watch' by chrth	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:21:59 PM
Harry, you do know it's February, right? How about taking down the New Year's decoration?
Pound Sand by RogueScribner	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:22:00 PM
Joss Whedon does not own nor run the Whedonesque web site. Just because someone posts there doesn't mean it's theirs. Oh shit! If it does, maybe I own AICN!!!
Good lord, I'm posting like 10 minuets into the past! by chrth	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:22:49 PM
CaptDanielRoe will say 'Christina Ricci' ... but I say, the chick from JAG
Er. minutes, not minuets by chrth	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:23:14 PM
I've only posted one minuet
I knew this would happen. by Cory849	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:25:17 PM
Maybe if Joss Whedon and Kevin Smith work together they could collectively add up to a single big name director. Quit fucking up boys! You can do this!!! We BELIEVE IN YOU!!!
Bill Condon by CaptDanielRoe	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:30:20 PM
You and I both know that Wonder Women should be like a brunette Olivia Newton John from about 1980, except with more action chops, acting chops, and sultry. Basically nothing like Olivia Newton John or any of her movies except, you know, in spirit. In a Dreamgirls kind of way. Follow?
Director: Gore Verbinski, Star: Anne Hathaway by Flim Springfield	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:30:27 PM
Even if it's crap, they will guarantee a huge opening.
Oh and to Star: Christina Ricci by CaptDanielRoe	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:31:39 PM
Yeah yeah I know, that's wrong. But somebody had to say something really stupid. Or is it?
gonna suck bad now by sokitome	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:34:12 PM
The only reason to see wonderwoman is to see Whedon's take on the character. NOw the dumb ass studio execs get rid or whedon what's the point in seeing it.(other than a hot chick in the outfit but you can get that with porn)
This movie will never happen by BizarroJerry	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:35:16 PM
I just don't see it ever being made.
Christina Hendricks! by Amy Chasing	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:36:27 PM
as Wonder Woman.. um, well, ok maybe not. How 'bout Catherine Bell (if she doesn't get the Motoko Kusanagi gig)?
unCHARISMAtic Wonder Women by Guiness	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:39:53 PM
I guess we wont be seeing Miss Carpenter in the stars and stripes G string...I was looking forward to her tin eagle bust...
Ha! I called this in talkback about a month ago! by CarmillaVonDoom	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:43:10 PM
Glad that he left, seemed like the WW project was a miserable experience for him. And it was a very poor fit imo.
A WWII Wonder Woman story could be cool. by LeckoManiac	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:43:24 PM
But I doubt it.
Jessica Biel has the body for WW by CarmillaVonDoom	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:45:58 PM
She doesn't really look the part though does she??
This movie=Nipples on Optimus wearing a flaming batsuit by Err	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:46:39 PM
It's true.
For shame Warner Brothers! by rbatty024	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:48:06 PM
I'm comforted in the fact that Whedon is finishing up his run of X-Men and will move on to Runaways and then a Buffy "Season 8." Perhaps he was just working on too many things at the same time. It's a bummer, Whedon has a way with genre based heroines.
That boy was our last hope by The Ref	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:48:21 PM
Oh well, at least Joss now has time for a Serenity sequel that will happen in 1,000,001 years.
The most obvious actress to play WW is... by alienindisguise	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:48:45 PM
Lucy Lawless..sure she's a little older than most would like to see for this character but c'mon.
Shit. by Demosthenes2	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:52:02 PM
Guess the curse on female superhero movies persists.
Tricia Helfer = Wonder Woman by DeCypher44	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:53:40 PM
Just put a brunette wig on her and Tricia would be AWESOME!
Wonder Woman works best in the Animated Justice League by zekmoe	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:55:36 PM
as a primiary team character. Alone she's no better than Electra or Cat woman, and can't carry a movie.
Diane Keaton as Wonder Woman by SkeletonParty	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:57:21 PM
directed by Don Murphy. Bruce Campbell plays every other role.
Great for Joss. by CatVutt	Feb 2nd, 2007 05:59:58 PM
This project had 'disaster' written all over it from the get-go. I can't think of a Superhero Film I'd be LESS likely to get enthused about.
doubt we'll ever see it by waggy	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:00:30 PM
in 60+ years they've never been able to nail the character in the comics. can't imagine hollywood will have any more luck with diana. i've always liked her better in DC ensemble projects anyway (JLA, kingdom come, etc).
I want a serious fantasy film by superninja	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:01:57 PM
along the lines of the fantastic Perez post-Crisis relaunch. Steer clear of Charlie's Angels's ripoff about "strong" women doing panty shots with campy dialogue. I'd rather see a very fantasy-oriented film with the Nazis thrown in, not the main protagonists - it should be Ares. The origin of the Amazons (Perez version), Ares's part in starting WWII and his beef with the Amazons, and Diana teaming up with Allies forces when their soveriegnty is threatened. Armies of the undead and Nazis, done in the style of Sky Captain meets 300. It would rock. I also liked the Perez portrayal of Wonder Woman being naive and virtuous, but a major butt kicker, none of Marston's pervy stuff. My heart will not be broken in the film Wondy has greek armor of some kind as long as they keep the Eagle emblem and then she can incorporate the American colors as a tribute to Steve Trevor or the Allies she fights with.
40's + wonder woman = suck! by kdoc13	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:02:38 PM
No offense to those in love with this idea, I just can't help but think back to other 40's type era superhero movies. You know the ones, The Phantom, The Shadow, The TV version of the flash, they all had two things in common, the 40's (or 40's era feel) and they sucked! It's kind of like the 80's & 90's video game movies. They all sucked, yeah Mortal Kombat was good when you saw it, but only because it was the best of the suck-ass movies. Today you look back at it, and it licks ass, not kicks it. Plus, this is wonder woman, the bluntman and chronic of the superhero world. There is no way to save it from being lame. Yes Morena Baccarein (I am sure that is misspelled, the chick from firefly) would look hot in the WW outfit, but at some point she is going to do the spin to change into her outfit, and deflect bullets that travel faster than a person can move, and it will look like a frakkin joke translated to the big screen. I hope this doesn't get made. I've seen Supergirl once, I didn't like it, not looking forward to the dark haired re-make.
Wonder Woman armor like this: by superninja	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:11:19 PM
http://www.comics2film.com/DCG /DispArt.php3?f_id=15339&f_ssn =&f_fooble=255 They need a Bond girl for this role: athletic and tall, not a pinup bimbo or a mini starlet.
1940s Wonder Woman? by Gozu	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:11:34 PM
She can take dictations! Rivet just like one of the boys! Tend to the wounded at the field hospital! Then when the war's over, she can get back in the kitchen, where she belongs! That's the American Way!
That sound you hear is me breathing a sigh by slder78	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:12:08 PM
of relief. Whedon cannot write a motion picture. TV ok, but he is NOT epic enough in scope to do anything on the silver screen.
Wonder Woman is as interesting as Superman. by superninja	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:15:29 PM
At least she can be, if written correctly. Justice League handles her pretty well, she reminds me of the Perez version. The actor would really have to carry the role, though, and have a mixture of likeability and toughness.
re:He Left Because They Bought Some Other Writers' Scri by Guiness	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:16:39 PM
Metalwater, Are you insane? Your rant was a hilarious conspiracy theory...no doub tha Joss wouldnt wan to mix scripts but relax on the studio conspiracy theories...
Glad this happened... by DanielKurland	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:17:23 PM
I love Whedon, but have no interest in Wonder Woman, and I'm glad I don't need to check this out now to see what he did with it. And now they can hire some big actress to play her, rather than an unknown like Joss wanted.
Linda Carter by CaptDanielRoe	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:20:07 PM
She's a GrILF. Hey I'm old I'm allowed. Actually I'd find some amazing broadway actress who can dance and do amazing things with her body. Like Lilia here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =GubjyzAzmTU
Writers miss the mark with the character by superninja	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:21:48 PM
because they are always trying to redefine her in terms of a feminist role model when there are much more interesting things going on with her historical/political background. Marston's creation was a bunch of opportunistic fluff, it was faux-feminist pap, just my opinion. Perez proved the character could be more than that when he made the character about equity not female superiority.
To direct and Star by Solrider77	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:24:26 PM
Director:Len Wiseman Star:Kate Beckinsale This 40's idea sounds not too bad. Wonder Woman's best period in comics was WW2 and the idea of an Amazon warrior in the middle of MAN's biggest war could be cool.
No way the movie could work. by PwnedByStallone	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:31:55 PM
Thank God Whedon is off this shit. No way anyone could have pleased anyone with this movie.
I'm glad Wheedon is off it. He is good at writing by superninja	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:35:50 PM
soap operas and cheeky dialogue. He'd probably be great a team movie because he writes good banter. But an origin film is not a good fit for him, and he doesn't write female characters particularly well in my opinion, he writes sweet girls and harpies. Wonder Woman would actually benefit from some basis in military history and about mythology and origin stories, not a modernist view.
Whedon needs to do do his own projects! by Neo Zeed	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:40:44 PM
He's better than this. I do believe they are going in the right direction with the 1940's Wonder Woman. It seems suited for that concept, but I still don't about WW though.
Whedon doing X4 by Guiness	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:45:02 PM
Joss said:"Truly, you may be hearing some interesting things brewing in the coming months. But all potential jets therein will be visible." Is he referring to the X jet? After Halle's request for fedback and the gross for X3...hhhmmm
Bring back the buffyverse by Power_Girl	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:56:49 PM
I want those Faith and Spike TV movies...hell just do a Faith TV series its not like Eliza Dushku is doing anything.
Now THE POWER OF THE DARK CRYSTAL isn't happening! by brokentusk	Feb 2nd, 2007 06:56:49 PM
According to Dark Horizons (which links to another website - Filmick, I think) the film has been "put on hiatus" and two years worth of production designs have been discarded. What goes on I ask you?
Good news!! by Moon_Knight	Feb 2nd, 2007 07:17:19 PM
After the debacle of Superman Returns they werent about to let some fanboy turd direct another classic character with a huge budget. Wake up fanboys Serenity was a FLOP!!!! A flop movie about a cancelled tv show is the best he can do. I am so glad about this. He wasnt gonna have her in the Star Spangled panties, any WW movie wear she wears pants in lame beyond words. Whedon sucks.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! by dr.bulber	Feb 2nd, 2007 07:20:31 PM
too much goats.
Serenity 2 by photoboy	Feb 2nd, 2007 07:20:35 PM
Go on Universal, you know you want to make it.
oh no.. not Power of the Dark Crystal too by Amy Chasing	Feb 2nd, 2007 07:28:27 PM
now that ain't cool news (ain't means "is not" right? sorry, I'm Australian). perhaps Aardman could collaborate with Henson Productions or something
HOW? by one9deuce	Feb 2nd, 2007 07:33:50 PM
How is all the love for Joss Whedon warranted in any way, shape, or form? He wrote a horrible script for Alien: Resurrection, and wrote and directed a midly enjoyable but ultimately forgettable space adventure movie that did very, very little box-office. His Wonder Woman would have been a "Girls can kick butt too!" type just like Ripley in Alien: Resurrection, Buffy in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and River in Serenity. That shit is TIRED! The fact that he wouldn't have put Wonder Woman in her traditional outfit (that everyone in the country knows) would have been asinine. Sorry, but it's a fact that Wonder Woman is so popular because she is super-hot, tall, stacked, and wearing star-spanged panties, a bustier, and fuck-me boots. We wouldn't even be having this discusion concerning a feature-film if she had always been outfitted in a baggy sweater and pants. The outfit is iconic AND hot. It seems for a superhero to become part of pop culture they have to have an iconic look that anyone would regognize immediately to go with an interesting story of course. But the look is REAL important.
Serious, serious bummer... by Pennsy	Feb 2nd, 2007 07:48:25 PM
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Whedon would have fucked it up... by MissionMan8	Feb 2nd, 2007 08:05:54 PM
I hated all the reports of the possible actresses to don the costume (The OC chicks?). I hope the new director hires an unknown actress -- preferably 6 foot or more. Has everyone in Hollywood forgotten that Wonder Woman is an Amazon? Famke Janssen would have been perfect 10 years ago.
good by Zorak5	Feb 2nd, 2007 08:09:16 PM
As much as I like Joss' TV directorial efforts, Serenity was horrible. It was shot like a TV show and looked terrible on the big screen. WW needs a real director.
BrownCoats... by Redbox	Feb 2nd, 2007 08:13:09 PM
Take care. Our common interests have now severed. Thank the Lord! Fare thee well traveler...
Thank God just to shut Herc and the Browncoats up... by ComputerGuy68	Feb 2nd, 2007 08:31:41 PM
this site was unbearable during the Serenity fiasco.
Shit or get off the pot, Joss! by OBSD	Feb 2nd, 2007 08:48:48 PM
Seriously, that shit was announced, what, two-three years ago? It was supposed to be released this Summer and Buffy-boy is too busy pissing all over Grant Morrison's and Brian k Vaughan's memory to finish a goddamned script. He was bitching and moaning a while back that Wonder Woman didn't have any good villains. Oh, really? That's why Greg Rucka was able to write one of the best runs ever, because there are no good villains? Fuck him. "OOh, look at me I'm writing a season 8 Buffy comic to get back all my fans." Like a comic is going to do it, Sally. You gave your fans the finger by killing off Book without any answer, and you expect them to tongue your asshole. And the sad fact is they will. Even after your 50th "super-powered teenage girl story". That's all you have in you. Dude, just go to therapy and admit that you WANT TO BE A TEENAGE GIRL! Then you can get the hormone therapy and leave us the fuck alone! A 40's Wonder Woman would kick ass, but only if she kick the shit out of Fleischer-style robots.
I just got off the phone with Joss Whedon by instant_karma	Feb 2nd, 2007 08:51:32 PM
Man, that dude likes to talk about himself...
I'm really sad about this. by instant_karma	Feb 2nd, 2007 09:03:19 PM
Now we won't get amazing lines like "You know what happens when a toad gets caught in my lassoo?"
Give it to Joe Carnahan by El Scorcho	Feb 2nd, 2007 09:04:49 PM
Seriously.
I just got off the phone with Whedon.... by oh_riginal	Feb 2nd, 2007 09:05:12 PM
... and he lost the ability to speak "Whedon-ish" and began to speak in "Abrams-ish" almost fluently!
Know what happens when lightning strikes Wonder Woman? by Triumph poops!	Feb 2nd, 2007 09:39:35 PM
Neither do I, but with Whedon off WONDER WOMAN thankfully now we won't have to painfully endure popcorn vomiting dialogue like that in a theater one day! Frankly, this is the BEST movie news I've heard today. If Warners is seriously looking to do a WWII era Wonder Woman film starring a hot uber babe who is out kicking Nazi ass and beating down a mad scientist while tossing around his Fleischer-era robots as OBSD suggested above, while wearing her iconic skimpy fuck me outfit, hell yes, THAT'S a summer movie people would want to see. But certainly NOT the ponderous, hammy, heavy handed Feminist crap that I'm sure Whedon was turning pages in on, which probably had Joel Silver and the Warners Brass scratching their heads and saying "What the hell is this crap? Where's the action? Where's the frickin' fuck me costume??? There's no mention of that stuff anywhere in here!!!" In fact along those lines, note to Whedon: the whole GIRL POWER! riff that you do all the frickin' time has gotten completely tiresome simply because you do it ALL the frickin' time. Honestly, no one gives a crap about GIRL POWER! unless your entire adult life centers on perpetually daydreaming about being a teenage girl pumping her fist in the air, thinking that stupid action somehow empowers you, in which case I'm sure you adore Whedon's work since it's ALWAYS the same one note played over and over and over again.
Joss Whedon + Wonder Woman = by Turd Furgeson	Feb 2nd, 2007 09:59:41 PM
TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION....... of any hope that it would be a cool movie.....
They bought that spec script because... by kintar0	Feb 2nd, 2007 10:04:04 PM
Whedon's script sucked. Just like Astonishing X-Men's writing sucks. Hey, check it out, Shadowcat is pretty much the main character. What a big fucking surprise. And it's all about what happens when Kitty has an orgasm. Wheee! I'm all for Whedon going off and doing Buffy or Firefly/Serenity and writing his little Runaways comics, doing his own projects. It'll keep him off things I normally like. So, c'mon Joss, make more Buffy!
CATHERINE ZETA-JONES AS WW by Osmosis Jones	Feb 2nd, 2007 10:12:00 PM
Yeah, she's "old" now, but she's the closest physical manifestation to the comics I can think of at the moment. Plus, she's got that AWESOME accent.
Crackheads by kintar0	Feb 2nd, 2007 10:13:48 PM
Lucy Lawless? Catherine Zeta Jones? Tricia Helfer? Too old, too rich/too old, and too skinny. Catherine Bell? Too old, but would have been great. Seriously: Brooke Burns. http://tinyurl.com/39mjqy She was/is the host of Dog Eat Dog and she's a jock.
kintar0.... by torpor_haze	Feb 2nd, 2007 10:27:27 PM
you like Wonder Woman? Cause that's pretty much the only thing Whedon was working on that you didn't list there. I think every Whedon fan was secretly hoping he would drop this project, because Wonder Woman seemed like the bottom of the barrel of superhero movies. There would've already been a version of it out there if there was a demand for it. GONERS, I have a feeling is going to be his break out movie anyway.
Somewhat of a relief. Was never sold on a WW film. by The Founder	Feb 2nd, 2007 10:36:13 PM
As someone already mentioned, WW works best with the entire JLA. Yeah she's had some good stories in her ongoing series, but I was just never a big fan of her to want a stand alone film. I respect her iconic status though.
I'd only see a live action WW if... by Ravetin	Feb 2nd, 2007 11:22:16 PM
Joe Eszterhas was writing and directing. The Earth would fucking stop spinning.
A WW film set in the '40s is definitely a shitty idea by SpyGuy	Feb 2nd, 2007 11:29:48 PM
As geektastic as it would be to do that, a character like Wonder Woman needs to be more than a feminist prototype running around in a scandalous halter top and star-spangled bicycle shorts. A fat Etta Candy huffing and puffing "Woo woo!" and Diana Prince dressed as a nerdy Army nurse isn't a big draw to today's audiences either. Joel Silver, everything you need for a present-day WW film is in the "Gods and Mortals" trade paperback by George Perez. Perez figured everything out brilliantly, so now that Whedon has been kicked to the curb, get a decent screenwriter to adapt G&M and run with it. Ares commands it!
Serenity 2... by metsrulein2k	Feb 3rd, 2007 12:26:50 AM
Yes, let's get Serenity 2 up and going, please. First one didn't do too well with money but the reviews were very positive and it probably made at least SOME profit once it hit DVD, it might open higher than the 10 mil the first one opened at (a casualty of flight plan) and if it was released in April like it was going to be maybe it would have done better. Oh well, here's hoping......
Wonder Woman needs a grand reinvention. by wackybantha	Feb 3rd, 2007 12:41:27 AM
The Wonder Woman we know and love may be too silly to work well in a new film. If they make drastic changes perhaps it will work. I do like the idea of a 1940's setting. Very interesting...
Best Told Via Superman by CaptDanielRoe	Feb 3rd, 2007 01:06:16 AM
Not that WW isn't as big a character but because she is or should be seen that way. Use this as a basis for a Superman crossover film. Use a different director to save time but borrow Routh and the props. Make it seem like a Superman movie in which he meets Wonder Woman in the advertising, but really tell the opposite story. And here's the kicker, don't make it an origin story. Have Wonder Woman fully established and just hooking up with Supes for the first time. Have them faced with magical/mythical villains. Save Paradise Island and the Greek Gods for the full-blown WW to follow.
Joss, it was all a big mixup by BannedOnTheRun	Feb 3rd, 2007 01:22:12 AM
It wasn't a spec script for WW set in WWII, it was a spec script for the WW sequel, WWII. Now snort coke with me.
Paul Dini by DonMurphysTool	Feb 3rd, 2007 01:40:37 AM
most film studios will not hire him to write a screenplay I believe because - well he isn't that good at it.
For the Whedon Haters... by Cheif Brody	Feb 3rd, 2007 01:44:50 AM
Saying Wonder Woman is now "Whedon-Safe" is like saying Iraq is "Saddam Hussein-Safe"....When you kill Ali Babba...you still have 40 theives to worry about. This movie (that i don't think will ever get made) just took 4 huge steps backwards. Joss wasted a ton of time on this project...and I think future (more talented) directors will now shy away from this lepper. Or...worse yet...Warner Bros. brass will just hire a "Yes Man" director, who will get the Silver's vision of our favorite superheroine out into the cinemas. And we will all lose. I liken it to Tim Burton's vision of Batman for 1 & 2....then the "studio's" vision for the forgetable 3 & 4 installments...and then Christopher Nolan's vision for Begins. When a studio...or a producer's "vision" of a beloved character is made into a movie...the fans suffer. They are not making films...they are trying to sell toys, videogames and lunch boxes. I think setting it back in the 40's would just turn it into another "The Shadow"...but..then again...setting it in the present day...with Iraq...and post 9/11 terrorism still looming...I'm not so sure there's a villain a modern WW could face that would be relevant. I mean...WW doesn't really have a built in Lexx Luthor. But...either way...they will make her so strong and powerful...with all the female empowerment fantasies and male bashing pitfalls...who wants to really see this thing get made...except to oogle Actress X in the suit. They need to make her vulnerable...with some deep seeded pathos...real. Unfortunately...she still such a hot property in the WB/DC vault...they can't let it lay dormant forever. Maybe an M. Night needs to step in...and do something really Hollywood and commercial...without his patented loopy twist ending? I dunno...it's just so hard trying to imagine anyone go "dark" with the All American Princess character (the way Nolan did with the Bat). I'd love to think someone could knock WW out of the park...but I'm guessing it'll be another Cat Woman dud. I guess we'll have at least 5 more years to wait and find out.
Awesome "Ali Babba" analogy, Cheif Brody. by kintar0	Feb 3rd, 2007 01:52:31 AM
Really, I'm totally serious. Awesome. And way to misspell your own screen name. I'm sorry, what was your point?
probably won't happen but.. by Amy Chasing	Feb 3rd, 2007 01:54:15 AM
I thought Wonder Woman was in her 30s. In that case Catherine Bell would still be fine as she looks better now than she ever has, and can pull off credible leader while still having a sense of humour.
according to joss he was going to get cobbie smoulders by BendersShinyAss	Feb 3rd, 2007 02:06:16 AM
she's definately got the look. but they'd have to give a bit of lift to those breasts because wonder woman is a decent C cup, boarder-line D.
Wonder Woman "a valuable character"? by Motoko Kusanagi	Feb 3rd, 2007 02:28:46 AM
LOL! ROFLMAO!!! Man, that was rich...
Thanks, Kintardo by Cheif Brody	Feb 3rd, 2007 02:33:57 AM
Sorry...Chief Brody was already taken...and Cheeph Brody looked stupid. All I was saying is...Joss was the front man for the WW project...and now that he's gone...there's going to be ongoing asymmetric warfare with the Iraqi insurgency and the civil war between Sunni and Shia Iraqis. Is that so tough to understand? Again, I apologize...I have been drinkin' tonight.
I'm not even a fan of Rucka's Wonder Woman by superninja	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:00:02 AM
(it's basically Rucka in drag), but he did make all of her villains modern and interesting. Particularly Dr. Psycho, the Gorgon Sisters and Circe. Then there is that whole Greek mythos thing to pull from. Anyway, I get the WW bashing, but she's not that bad of a character and can stand on her own - just read the Perez WW.
It's easy. You make a fantasy movie. by superninja	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:04:36 AM
It's actually the one cool thing Wonder Woman has going for it. If it works, it's also a launching bad to open up the film DCU to more fantastic things. So we won't have to see Batman V with the most realistic Poison Ivy, like, ever.
They already did a WWII-era Wonder Woman movie by Wormie	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:07:18 AM
The pilot and first season of the TV show was set in the 40s and was terrible. OK, Lynda Carter was hot, but the show itself was shit like the Batman TV series. The Perez run would be an obvious base for a movie, but I'm not sure how they'd be able to avoid making all the mythological stuff not seem campy. It could be done, though. I thought in this sense Whedon was a good choice to write (if not direct) because he could make it fun without being camp. He did say WW didn't fly in his script, which was ridiculous, however. The Superman team-up would be a great idea though. They could heavily merchandise the character without having to have her carry the entire film. Unlike Marvel, DC can't seem to get their characters on screen unless they're Superman or Batman-related. A mega-epic Star Wars level Green Lantern movie could be huge. Sort it out Warners. Oh yeah - Catwoman, Steel, Birds of Prey, Batman & Robin, Superman IV, 12 years of wasted development on Supes (although they got it right in the end)...
Wonder Woman = most ridiculous comic character ever by Reelheed	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:10:33 AM
She runs about in a strapless basque, pants, knee highs and tiara ffs. I don't give a shit if she's purportedly some "female empowerment" figure. That's pure rubbish. If she's such a empowered female then why's she always flying about in lingere then? She's pure R.Crumb. A submissive kid's oedipal teenage whackfest. And any adaptation will be a pile of shit just like any other action film that uses skimpily dressed eye candy as its central character. Unless they do something totally different from the comics. Go all T2 Linda Hamilton with it and it might be passable. Otherwise GIVE THE PRODUCTION MONEY TO HOMELESS SHELTERS and save yourselves the embarrasment.
MetalWater, please tell me you're joking. by one9deuce	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:22:49 AM
Joss Whedon is never going to be the next Spielberg or Lucas. He isn't even going to be the next Stephen Sommers, who himself is a very pale imitation of Spielberg and Lucas. And the only "I told you so" is going to come from me in a future talkback when Whedon can't live up to your prediction. Piltdown Joey, your idea of having Ridley Scott direct the Wonder Woman film is brilliant. I would like to see him take on ANY superhero, I think his take would be unique and amazing.
Mel Gibson should direct WONDER WOMAN by Motoko Kusanagi	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:25:25 AM
that would be fitting
Triumph poops! by Power_Girl	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:26:44 AM
Is Kevin Smith...It's true!!!!!!!!!
or a "nextwave: agents of H.A.T.E." movie? by Amy Chasing	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:35:42 AM
get Warren Ellis to work it like Frank Miller did Sin City - "it's like Shakespeare, but with lots more punches.." check it (and their theme song) at www.marvel.com/news/all.65
how about a Captain Liberty movie? by Amy Chasing	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:38:49 AM
"ahhh, Soccer Mommies.. they are my only weakness." - Batmanuel, 'The Tick - live action pilot'
hey, my posts are going backwards.. by Amy Chasing	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:39:43 AM
and yet Harry keeps sliding forward down that pole (and why did they have to change the pole's color from blue to brown.. that is not right
"Joss Whedon is a certified genius" -- ROFLMAO!!! by Motoko Kusanagi	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:49:19 AM
Hey MetalWater, did someone already tell you that you are one heck of a joking guy? Muarharharharhar...
Whedon Off Wonder Woman = Nipples on Diana Prince by Laserbrain	Feb 3rd, 2007 04:11:21 AM
:)
JOSS WHEDON'S NOT GONNA EAT by Fried Gold	Feb 3rd, 2007 05:44:36 AM
Well, at least people will stop thinking Sarah Michelle Geller will be cast now. Wonder Woman does seem like quite a difficult thing to pull off as a film. It's probably not worth the hassle.
Good. Because no one wanted this movie. by XXVIII	Feb 3rd, 2007 06:06:41 AM
And I love all things Joss, and I was afraid I was going to be forced to go see this.
the closest thing to a modern wonder woman by emeraldboy	Feb 3rd, 2007 06:20:59 AM
is/was Xena Warrrior princess. Though set in the past under "greek mythology". If they were going to give wonder woman to anyone they should have given it to Sam Raimi. Apart from the Evil dead series. Xena and herculese reamins the most successful tv franchises Raimi has ever done. Lucy Lawless would have been perfect as Wonder Woman but would she have pulled off the clutzy diana prince. or How about america ferrera. ok, moving along now...
just as long as they remember by emeraldboy	Feb 3rd, 2007 06:30:56 AM
lynda Carter is wonder Woman. The movie wont be made. although they were toying with idea of giving the role to Carisma Carpenter. ahhhhhhhh, sweet Cahrisma. I remember that scene, at the swimming pool and She appears wearing a see through dressing gown and swim-suit Carrying a plate of cookies. and someone says this is my mom. someone else says She can make me cookies anyday and i am thinking damn right..... another bizarre rumour was that Katie Holmes was offered the role but that would have killed the movie.
Best news I have read all day by Toby___Wong	Feb 3rd, 2007 06:58:09 AM
The only reason to watch the Wonder Woman movie was Joss directing it. Bring on the Spike/Illyria, Giles, Willow etc movies before it is too late. I am keeping my fingers crossed.
whedon off WW makes me a sad panda: by newc0253	Feb 3rd, 2007 07:21:51 AM
seriously, i ain't gonna bother reading the rest of the talkback, full as i'm sure it is of smug whedon-haters confidently pointing out how this is evidence that he sucks. i would, however, love to see the script he submitted. that would be something actually worth reading.
Whedon sucks, just like that stupid Serenity movie by Atticus Finch	Feb 3rd, 2007 07:22:29 AM
Which is why it was a major bomb at the box office, just like anything else Whedon would direct would be! I'd put him on about the same plane as an Eli Roth...a no-talent hack.
Mary Elizabeth Winstead... by DarthBakpao	Feb 3rd, 2007 08:02:05 AM
there's your Wonder Woman
"I'd put Whedon on about the same plane as an Eli Roth" by Triumph poops!	Feb 3rd, 2007 08:05:29 AM
Actually if we're talking a theatrical head on head claymation death match, Eli Roth technically kicked SERENITY's ass twice over... SERENITY cost = $40 million Opening weekend = $10 million Worldwide gross = $38.8 million HOSTEL cost = $4.5 million Opening weekend = $19.5 million Worldwide gross = $80.5 million To add insult to injury, CABIN FEVER only cost a measly $1.5 million yet grossed $31 million -- again, compared to SERENITY costing $40 and crawling to only make back $38 of that. Bottom line, for all the P.R. fanfare at the time of SERENITY's release and how the show had a secret "army" of fans who would flood the theaters, more fans than anyone was giving the show credit for and that would validate Universal's decision to make a feature film, the truth is there simply never were as many "Browncoats" as there are pure and simple horror fans.
HUGS TO JOSS by Sam Raimi's Car	Feb 3rd, 2007 09:16:16 AM
You keep writing, we'll keep flying.
Big tits... by Billyeveryteen	Feb 3rd, 2007 09:27:25 AM
That's what WW has to have. All I want, or need.
Thank god! by fanboy71	Feb 3rd, 2007 09:48:05 AM
Not that I dislike Whedon's work, because Firefly is my all time favorite TV show... But I was NOT looking forward to a Wonder Woman feature. I was only going to see it if Joss had cast Morena Baccarin as WW. She has the Look of WW except for the height, which can be dealt with. After all, Elijah Wood isn't really Hobbit sized. AND, I totally agree with the posters who said to keep a WW flick in the present. Captain America belongs in WW2, but WW? meh. I don't think WW deserves her own feature, but would kick ass as part of a Justice League film.
I NOMINATE JESSICA BIEL AS WONDER WOMAN by couchtrip105	Feb 3rd, 2007 09:51:51 AM
Go find pictures of her. She is buff and hot as hell and would make a perfect wonder woman
Those of you dissing Wonder Woman by Immortal_Fish	Feb 3rd, 2007 10:24:23 AM
Evidently, none of you are at all familiar with George Perez's run on the title post-Crisis, or you'd feel quite differently. I suspect you only have a passing familiarity with the character at best, via JLA issues, Dini's cartoons, and/or the TV series with Linda Carter. If this is the case, then put your eyes on Perez's work before you judge and you'll feel way differently than you do now.
Who cares? How damn hard can it be to write this movie? by Mr Incredible	Feb 3rd, 2007 11:15:40 AM
They have all the source material and still can't get it off the ground. I'd rather see POWDERED TOAST MAN vs. SHAMPOO MASTER than see another screwed up comic-book movie.
besides, Power Girl: THE MOVIE would be better by Mr Incredible	Feb 3rd, 2007 11:17:31 AM
You know, lots of cleavage, and stuff.
Fuck Off! by darquelyte	Feb 3rd, 2007 11:50:54 AM
How did this happen?
WW: The movie. by nemesisdarkside	Feb 3rd, 2007 12:35:21 PM
Perez's work on WW is pretty good. However, I still don't see a WW film happening without a major reinvention. Remember people these films are made for the masses with a passing knowledge of the material not actual fans/geeks. Even if they based the film on a Perez story, they just couldn't make the costume and other parts of her mythology work on the big screen today, LET ALONE market it to the masses. John and Jane Prefect-Demographic will think it's a joke and the film will bomb harder than that suitcase nuke that erased Valencia in 24. UNLESS...she was one of the principal characters in a JLA film. I think that's the only way WW + blockbuster movie could work without a serious reivention. However, since a JLA film will NEVER happen due to all these separate francises/rights, I agree with someone above who said they should take the fantasy route. Forget WW2, that sounds semi-interesting but ultimately a flop in the making! Focus more on her Amazonian heritage and Greek-myth foes like Ares etc. A lot of rich ideas in there I think. Maybe even an Epic/Sword and Sandels-Greek mythology-Superhero film? Maybe not. ;P Also, making slight alterations to her costume to make less chessy would be smart also. Coz barring the comics, DCAU and Roleplay Night with your girlfriend/wife, the tiara/stapless corset/hot-pants/frak-me boots/star-spangled-ass combo just won't work today...DC's Elektra anyone? ;)
Gimme some Eliza Dushku... by Dr Gregory House	Feb 3rd, 2007 12:49:24 PM
...in a red, white and blue thong and golden eagle wife beater with no bra. Now that's America baby!!! Watch the flagpoles go up! Salute!!!
re: Jessica Biel as WW by CarmillaVonDoom	Feb 3rd, 2007 12:51:22 PM
I said the same thing about 50 posts above ;^) What we really need is a WWII Star Trek movie imo
WW vs. Power Girl... by nemesisdarkside	Feb 3rd, 2007 01:05:01 PM
with Zombies and Ninjas!! I also typo'd Sandals. What's with the uber love for Biel. Every website that post pics of celebrity hotties and the subsequent forums go nuts for her. Don't get me wrong I think she's hot, but severly overrated amongst American males. Considering the amount of celeb hotties you guys have,she not really special. And totally not WW. I just don't see it. On a different Cobie Smulders really does LOOK the part at least. Nice. I think they shouldn't go the A-List route, either. Unknown or semi-unknown.
Dr. House by nemesisdarkside	Feb 3rd, 2007 01:09:35 PM
hahahahaha. U S A! U S A!
Get John Byrne to write this. by instant_karma	Feb 3rd, 2007 01:33:47 PM
He respects strong women...
clone lynda carter!!! clone lynda carter!!! by wolvenom	Feb 3rd, 2007 01:39:26 PM
but bring on a hottie with a strong independent mind that i can feel up in my dreams.
The idiocy of Harry runs rampant by Biddlerama	Feb 3rd, 2007 02:12:21 PM
Seriously, Quint or Moriarty lock Harry back up with his dvd player, kleenex and handcream. He turns even an actual news story into incoherent jibber jabber. Wonder Woman is going to be a tough sell to general audiences as it is, so why hobble it even more by setting it in the 40's? If the comics still had her stuck in that era, maybe, but like most of the DC characters she's now contemporary, keep it that way. Harry let someone who knows what they're talking about report on these things. Go play with yourself an try to pretend you're still relevant.
Maybe this will help him see sense.... by Jimbeef	Feb 3rd, 2007 02:39:52 PM
..... and stop arsing about making rubbish like that and make more Firefly, even if straight-to-dvd. Family Guy did it after being cancelled and now look at the fans they discovered they had, and the amount of new ones. He keeps trying all these failed rubbish projects and when he should actually take a step back and look at work has actually worked! Listen to the fans, Whedon!
MetalWater is to Joss Whedon as ABKing is to Stallone. by one9deuce	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:15:13 PM
MetalWater, I can tell you exactly why the studios "took a chance" on relative unknown filmmakers like The Wachowski Brothers and Peter Jackson. The story's were great, and so were the screenplays that were written. That's it. You said that you don't understand why Hollywood gave those filmmakers big budgets to make The Matrix and The Lord of the Rings, but Warner Bros is hesitant to do the same for Whedon on Wonder Woman. Because when Warner Bros read the script for The Matrix they thought that it would make an awesome movie. It's not hard to part with a lot of money if you believe in the script and feel that the film will make you back even MORE money. But if the script is mediocre then they aren't going to be as likely to want to spend 150 million now are they?
one9deuce by torpor_haze	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:31:56 PM
then again there were the Matrix sequels. I understand where you're coming from, but you just picked random successes and thats fine but to say those studios didn't finance flops as well is just wrong. The problem with this is that Whedon was goaded into doing something that he didn't want to do in the first place. His best work is his own or when he has a lot of creative freedom as in comics. Its one thing if studio wants him to change certain aspects of the script, but another thing if they're not happy with the overall concept. At least the break was clean and no one was hurt in the process. Well...maybe Wonder Woman was depending what happens next with the project.
I'm not exactly shocked that this happened because... by rbatty024	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:42:07 PM
studios make dumbass decisions, but Whedon and Wonder Woman seemed like such a great fit. The guys one of the only feminist filmmakers out there (except for whoever wrote the fanged vagina movie). Whedon, move over to DC and write an original Wonder Woman comic.
Whedon's a feminist filmmaker??? by instant_karma	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:47:57 PM
Yeah, lots of pretty girls in skimpy outfits. He's like the Germain Greer of Hollywood. What is he, a 5th wave feminist? 6th?
CATHERINE BELL!! by wackybantha	Feb 3rd, 2007 03:55:17 PM
Sounds good!!!
Will Dc ever have a good movie Franchise by Phategod1	Feb 3rd, 2007 04:11:10 PM
out of Batman and Superman. Well on another note If Fox gets off there ass and decides to let the man work He can do the next X-men.
This movie would be as hard a sell as by superninja	Feb 3rd, 2007 05:09:56 PM
Hellboy. Which is to say, not much. It's a fantasy movie. It just needs a good script and to play down any annoying modern feminist overtones that have been attached to the character. I want to see Ares raise the Nazi dead to fight the Allies.
Ridley Scott would be fine to direct a WW by superninja	Feb 3rd, 2007 05:12:39 PM
movie. They just have to avoid getting a coke-snorting starlet and get a real woman with a Bond-girl physique.
Tricia Helfer... by jojo-pimp	Feb 3rd, 2007 05:20:44 PM
nuff said!!!
Check out this idea for a Wonder Woman by superninja	Feb 3rd, 2007 05:27:56 PM
movie costume: http://www.comics2film.com/DCG /DispArt.php3?f_id=15339&f_ssn =&f_fooble=5
Dwayne McDuffy by YME	Feb 3rd, 2007 05:39:35 PM
Dwayne McDuffy should take over! Justice League ruled all, even though they didn't use Hal Gordon.
uh YME by Biddlerama	Feb 3rd, 2007 06:03:02 PM
I think you mean Hal Jordan.
Latino Review reviews that WWII spec script... by torpor_haze	Feb 3rd, 2007 07:37:37 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2wqeoe
Can't be surprised... by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 3rd, 2007 07:38:45 PM
...it's been a long time since the deal was announced and last month in that radio interview Whedon sounded panicked when he was asked about the script. It clearly wasn't happening for him, and whether it was performance anxiety (because this was a big shot for him) or just not being able to get a grip on the character (and hey, this could be a hard one not to look stupid with), it was clear he was having trouble. Much as I love five seasons of the show I hate to see him scrambling off to do Buffy comics, because it smacks too much of the Kevin Smith thing of choking at the prospect of stepping up in class and then retreating back to the comfort of endless Jay and Silent Bob hijinks. Metalwater, you're crazy as a barber in a bowling ball factory, but God love ya'. Warner didn't sabotage or steal from Whedon, and they sure didn't plot against him. Warners and Silver hired Whedon because having him on the movie was a good hook and his chief consistent ability has been to create relatively convincing (physically) strong female characters who sold sexy without coming off as Barb Wire style caricatures. Which was exactly what Wonder Woman needed. By the way, that DOESN'T make you a feminist writer. But it is a talent, and Warners was banking on it. The way this breakup seems to have gone down is all the evidence you need that Warners didn't give up on Whedon happily.
Wonder Woman is one of those characters by Orbots Commander	Feb 3rd, 2007 08:02:37 PM
that doesn't translate well to the big screen. Not every character does. Flash is very difficult to translate as well due to the nature of his powers. Wonder Woman is inherently a campy character. The reason it worked as a TV show was that we got to see Linda Carter running around in a bikini with her boobs bouncing around---that was the whole show.
Whedon deserved more than Wonder Woman. Go "Goners"! by MrFloppy	Feb 3rd, 2007 08:47:12 PM
Goners is a lot more interesting film.
Logically, you can only come to one.. by glodene	Feb 3rd, 2007 09:02:58 PM
conclusion with what happened between Warners/Silver & Whedon: His take on WW was probably too progressive for their taste. When dealing with most big studios, you as a writer have to find a happy medium to placate their (the studios) insatiable appetite for the status quo. Personally, I think a better fit for Joss would be Lions Gate. He has proven that he can put together a moderately budget project that was entertaining and inspired.
So no smart-alecky Wonder Woman? by NutsackMemories	Feb 3rd, 2007 09:24:52 PM
Who makes pop culture references and adds -y to nouns making adjectives? NNNNNNooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! !!!!!!
Wonder Woman Can Work On Screen by MagicPhone	Feb 3rd, 2007 09:48:05 PM
To say otherwise smacks of sexism. That's not to say that the character couldn't be under served by ill-suited talent. There's a million ways they could screw the pooch with this one. The World War II script could be the most appropriate context for the character. The idea of setting the film's story in the same time period as the character's first appearance makes a lot of sense to me. Sort of like when Zach Snyder mentioned that his Watchmen film will be set in the 1980s. These characters reflect the era of their creation. I think if we can handle watching a film about superheroes we can handle a film about superheroes set in the 1940s.
Translating her to the big screen IS tough, but... by NoHubris	Feb 3rd, 2007 09:58:01 PM
...imo Michael Schiffer as writer and Mimi Leder as director should re-team to do this one. Mimi Leder in her THE PEACEMAKER mode could definitely pull off an updated Wonder Woman. Besides, Clooney’s Lt. Col. Thomas Devoe character was really more like a superhero than anything else.
Review of the spec script sounds very good by superninja	Feb 3rd, 2007 10:13:04 PM
and just what it should be. My only concern is Steve Trevor, who has always been one boring character.
torpor_haze and MetalWater by one9deuce	Feb 3rd, 2007 10:14:38 PM
Both of you missed my point. I'm not saying that studios don't finance sub-par scripts, or finance films that ultimately were ill-conceived and flop at the box-office. The Matrix sequels are certainly a good example. But I can guarantee you that the studios believe that the script they are producing into a film will make money, or they wouldn't do it. Warner Bros doesn't believe in Joss Whedon's take on Wonder Woman, it's as simple as that. And as I said in numerous talkbacks before, if Serenity fails at the box-office Whedon will be off Wonder Woman, period. Which is really how the studios think of course. When a filmmaker has a big hit the studios are always willing to back their next project. Sometimes that is great like when Steven Speilberg gets plenty of financing for Close Encounters of the Third Kind after Jaws or John Sturges getting to do The Great Escape properly because of The Magnificent Seven being so succussful. And sometimes that is bad, again The Matrix Sequels come to mind.
Go read the LatinoReview summary of the script by superninja	Feb 3rd, 2007 10:16:09 PM
It sounds perfect. Just because its set in the 40s doesn't mean Diana is a 40s kind of girl, she'd be something different. Steve Trevor sounds like a throwaway male love interest, though. It also centers around Pandora's Box (similar to the Perez version of the Amazons guarding the gate to Hell) and obviously the Nazis have the box. Throw in an Ares twist and it sounds like good times!
Wheedon does not really write mature characters. by superninja	Feb 3rd, 2007 10:18:51 PM
He writes teen angst and snarky dialogue. Which works well in a certain context, but not for an origin movie for Wonder Woman if ya ask me.
Nazis have the box and Diana is after it... by NoHubris	Feb 3rd, 2007 10:25:24 PM
...is like THE PEACEMAKER where Devoe and Kidman were after the stolen Russian nukes. The movie wasn't a "blockbuster" but Leder handled the soldier/military aspects very well.
Leder and the Peacemaker are both underrated by NoHubris	Feb 3rd, 2007 10:34:06 PM
I thought her visuals of the military hardware were excellent without being to extreme (or Bayish). I also thought she balanced the emotion and the action superbly. So could you see her doing Wonder Woman? Based on the script review (thanks for the heads up), I think she'd be perfect.
I guess, that's a pretty common quest storyline. by superninja	Feb 3rd, 2007 10:39:07 PM
I happen to think the Peacemaker is a nice bit of film, though.
Hey, my last post is ahead of the one I replied to by NoHubris	Feb 3rd, 2007 10:50:01 PM

I wonder about a woman..... by Maegnarval	Feb 3rd, 2007 10:56:45 PM
Eliza Dusku comes to mind as wonder woman but of course she will need to work out & bulk up the muscle mass is all. Even Brooke Hogan or Selma Hyak. Like Nosferatu Jones said, keep WONDER WOMAN modern. Kicking Al-Queda's mysoginistic asses!!!!
MetalWater by instant_karma	Feb 3rd, 2007 11:08:54 PM
I can never tell if you are really a Whedon fan, or somebody doing a poker faced impresonation of a crazed acolyte but I gotta agree with you about The Rocketeer being an overlooked gem.
No Hubris, I have to say I am not a big fan by superninja	Feb 3rd, 2007 11:15:03 PM
of her work other than The Peacemaker, so I don't know.
Look, that should've been a one or two line by superninja	Feb 3rd, 2007 11:18:38 PM
response at the most, Metal. There should be a penalty box for you. I've seen Buffy, and Angel, and read his comics, and that remains my opinion.
Other possible actors for Wonder Woman by NoHubris	Feb 3rd, 2007 11:22:18 PM
Eva Mendez, Paula Patton (Deja Vu) or Sophia Bush (The Hitcher).
Superninja, I understand RE: Leder by NoHubris	Feb 3rd, 2007 11:35:11 PM
I also thought Deep Impact was fine. After PAY IT FORWARD things seemed to have slowed down on the theatrical front. But Peacemaker shows what she capable of in the action genre. Those Washington DC scenes and Europe scenes (the country side and the cities), along with the military stuff in the first half of the movie fit the script review. She just has to bring to Wonder Woman what she did there...She would also have to a musical score that's just as gripping.
meant to say "...what SHE'S capable of..." by NoHubris	Feb 3rd, 2007 11:37:13 PM

RE: Peacemaker by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Feb 3rd, 2007 11:41:10 PM
Does anyone remember the song they used in the trailer for The Peacemaker, it was that one-hit wonder by that former crazy guy, with bagpipes. And it had some lyric like "even when I am sleeping I don't know if I am asleep or if I'm awake." Whoever can tell me that gets a free roll in the hay at the cathouse I operate in Memphis.
NoHubris, the issue I have is that I think by superninja	Feb 3rd, 2007 11:57:17 PM
to sell the concept, it has to look like a fantasy film, not overly realistic. It needs to be someone that has a bit of a fantasy or whimsy to their work, but at the same time can show restraint restraint to stay away from camp. That's why Cuaron worked so well on Potter 3. It's kind of a delicate balance, so it needs to be someone with that quality to their work.
I also like the Rocketeer, the problem is that by superninja	Feb 3rd, 2007 11:57:54 PM
film played it a little too safe when it could have gone bigger. But for the most part, great film.
Is it Under the Milky Way by The Church? by superninja	Feb 4th, 2007 12:02:33 AM
I don't know, but I do know I don't want your freebies.
Anne Hathaway looks like a hot Liza Minelli. by superninja	Feb 4th, 2007 12:05:15 AM
Does everyone else agree?
I really liked the Rocketeer when it came out by NoHubris	Feb 4th, 2007 12:05:21 AM
I remember wishing the Nazis were more menacing like in Raiders of the Lost ark. Still, I thought it was a very good movie.
Anne Hathaway... by NoHubris	Feb 4th, 2007 12:10:13 AM
...does have a Liza Minelli-ish vibe (circa her Francine Evans/NEW YORK, NEW YORK period) now that you mention it.
I noticed u didnt use the invisible sink..... by jarjarsdeathrattle	Feb 4th, 2007 12:35:07 AM
1 and only scene that wonder woman was ever remotely entertaining in. The only reason I want to see this movie get made is to hear everyones clever quips about how dumb it was to change her dumber costume.
AMY CHASING is a GENIUS!!! by chromedome	Feb 4th, 2007 01:07:21 AM
Catherine Bell would be absolutely perfect for the part. I doff the cap from my chromey dome to you, Amy. Catherine Bell had her own show, you know. Some called it JAG, but it was really The Catherine Bell Show, and you could even sing her name along with the theme song. So I am told. I never did, but one could if one was so inclined. But I didn't nope, not me (whistles, looking up at the ceiling)
MetalWater is also a genius by filmstu2005	Feb 4th, 2007 02:48:48 AM
Everything that has come out of ur mouth has been exactly what i've been feeling. Joss Whedon is such a brilliant filmmaker. I remember that everytime he wrote episodes for Buffy and Angel, it was his episodes that really stood out the most in the entire season. I never really watched Firefly b/c I didnt even know it was on, but I saw Serenity and loved it. It had such an interesting take to it. He writes great stuff and he's the ultimate fanboy when it comes to writing and wants his fans to be pleased. So i have mad respect for the dude. He should've done X3 not Commercial Brett Ratner. And I had no idea that he wrote a Fantastic Four script but I'm sure it was great. It's just these major studios that won't give him the chance just b/c of Serenity not doing so well. Serenity didn't do well b/c it didnt appeal to the popular crowd, but everyone that I saw that movie with LOVED IT. Even my friend who just saw it a few weeks back said it was a great movie. It didn't do well on tv, but its DVD sales did great, but of course as a movie it probably wouldn't be enough to get a large audience. Althought it was some of the best storytelling I've ever enjoyed compared to X3: The Last Crap. Once you see it, it does kinda get to u. I watch it almost everytime it comes on HBO. People are giving him grief over his groaning over writing Wonder Woman, but who can blame the dude? Wonder Woman is not an easy story to tell, although I do like the idea of it set in 1940s, I dont like the idea of Pandora's box. Didnt we see the same thing in Lara Croft:Tomb Raider The Cradle of life? Just put it set in modern time and make it the Perez version. Wonder Woman lost a great asset to its team. Of course when it finally comes out, we're gonna see a real trash Lara Croft Tomb Raider version. You're gonna be surprised one day. One day Joss Whedon will be given the chance to exceed at a big budget film and he's gonna do well and blow everyone away. Maybe Lion's Gate. I mean, they did take a chance on Tyler Perry's material. Not the best in the world, not the best scriptwriting in the world, but entertaining as far as black movies go. And its doin so well that he's doin well. Even Joss Whedon's new Buffy Comics and Astonishing X-Men are good. I'm looking forward to Goners. Joss Whedon is a good filmmaker, you guys just havent given him the chance or you don't know greatness on screen when you see it, as a lot of "unrealistic" people dont.
sorry, new at this board and by filmstu2005	Feb 4th, 2007 02:50:42 AM
sorry, new at this board and i had no idea how to space this s*** out in paragraphs. One question MetalWater. U used the word Negro earlier on. are u blk?
Give Uwe Boll the damn movie... by onemanarmy	Feb 4th, 2007 03:20:10 AM
He's a pro at making shit on film. They'd might as well at this point...right?
RE: filmstu2005 by onemanarmy	Feb 4th, 2007 03:22:27 AM
Press shift + comma button, press the letter P button & then press shift + the period button. Viola! Spaces!!! You're welcome in advance.
This is a test... by Motoko Kusanagi	Feb 4th, 2007 08:45:38 AM
...let's see space?
Damn. The man makes a decent tv show... by mrfan	Feb 4th, 2007 08:53:30 AM
and many of you think he is the greatest filmmaker alive. He only directed one film. It didn't even do that well. The show was ten times better. I will be the first to say that I enjoyed it. I enjoyed most of his work on Buffy. It is probably a good thing he is not doing Wonder Woman. Even taking on the project his fans were already doing a "Buffy" comparison in all areas. He is a good writer. He does have some interesting concepts. I really wish I could read his scripts to WW and FF. If anyone knows how to find them then please let me know. I wish Whedon well but give up on the great filmmaker approach. It is very laughable.
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Fuck. With Whedon Gone I have NO INTEREST by hatespeech	Feb 4th, 2007 11:11:11 AM
at all. Fucking retards dropped him because he wanted to make a kick ass film, now all we'll get is 2 cent fart cabbage.
THERE'S A GLARING FLAW IN THAT SCRIPT by George Perez is GOD	Feb 4th, 2007 12:33:15 PM
That script reviewed by Latino Review sounds pretty good (although the Pandora's Box thing does sound rather generic), but there's one pretty serious flaw. It makes absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER that the Amazons would be speaking English to one another!!! And this is made all the more ridiculous by having Nazi characters speaking in German. STUPID! The Amazon characters should be speaking in Ancient Greek (there are experts the studio can hire to help with that!) and other films have already shown that characters speaking in different languages doesn't turn off audiences (e.g. The Mummy, Passion of the Christ, etc.). This was also one of the MANY things that is awesome about George Perez's 1987 reboot of the comic book: he brought an authenticity to it that the pre-Crisis comic and the 1970s tv show had lacked. And, since Perez, all the comic's writers have by and large respected the canon that he established. Considering that the Amazons are an advanced civilization, it would make sense that they had studied other languages of the world while simultaneously monitoring it from afar -- and therefore it would make sense that they would speak English to Steve Trevor when he shows up. I really hope the filmmakers think these things through and don't just focus on relentless dumbing-down! Wonder Woman is by far the most interesting and complex character in the DCU -- and that is in large part thanks to George Perez and his magnificent 5-year run on the comic! My preference for a film has always been an adaption of his Wonder Woman origin story and there is much about it that could and would work on screen (provided that intelligent people are employed by the studio). Audiences would love seeing her decapitate Deimos with her tiara (June 1987 issue) and doing battle with the fearsome-looking Ares (who looks scarier than Darth Vader)! As for casting, every pathetic excuse for an "actress" whose name has been bandied about as a possible Wonder Woman totally, completely and utterly SUCKS!!! Kim Basinger (yuck!), Jessica Biel (yuck!), Catherine Bell (yuck!), Sophia Bush (yuck!), Jill Wagner (yuck!), Lindsay Lohan (yuck!), Cobie Whatshername (yuck!), etc., etc. THEY ALL SUCK!!!!! The only genuine actress in Hollywood that's worthwhile for this role and would appeal to a mass audience is CHARLIZE THERON. She's intelligent, tall (a must for anyone playing WW), blue-eyed, and looks great as a brunette. And SHE CAN ACT! Otherwise, the next best option is a charismatic TOTAL UNKNOWN who is reminiscent of Lynda Carter while still their own person and who embodies all the previous qualities I just praised Charlize for embodying. Eye and hair color can be easily changed, but intelligence, height and talent cannot. Are you taking notes, Joel Silver and crew?! If you want this film to succeed then HEED THIS PRECEDING CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND ADVICE!
I'm trapped in a parallel universe by oisin5199	Feb 4th, 2007 01:04:04 PM
where I agree with Metalwater. As long as he doesn't bring up BSG, that may continue. Frankly, I'm also glad Joss is off Wonder Woman. It seemed like he was forced into being too much of a studio bitch. I can't wait to see what else he's got in the pipeline. People who say he can't write mature characters are on crack. His characterizations of the X-Men in Astonishing is probably some of the most creative and full of depth takes on the team ever. Mal is a fantastic flawed hero and Spike is a complex masterpiece of moral ambiguity. Ok, so he wrote the lightning/toad line in X-Men, but it was a throwaway and meant to be delivered that way. It was Halle 'I got an Oscar and was Catwoman' Berry that screwed it up. I also wonder about that jet line, a Joss-penned X-Men movie would be heaven. But maybe there's still hope for a Spike and Faith tv movie? I think that's what fans want more than anything.
Is it that we agree with Metalwater, or... by chromedome	Feb 4th, 2007 01:27:20 PM
...is it that, for once, he agrees with Us? Seriously, though, someone above made a point worth considering, I think--Whedon as a great FILM maker or not. The things I like best about Whedon's work and style are the clever dialog, original approaches to otherwise familiar topics, settings, or premises, and the long-term growth in the character development and depth. It may well be that the mediums that suit him best and allow him to shine are the longer arc options: television, comics, etc. One-off films like WW just don't give him the chance to do what he does the best. I suspect his real strengths are indirectly weaknesses: He is sure of what he wants, what he is about, how he wants to do things and produces quality work (strengths) and this can be incompatible with the political maneuvering and power/control trips with the studio and network suits (indirect weakness). As for me, I was interested to see what he would do with the difficult WW to make it more than a campy re-make. I think, given free-reign, he could have done something as worthy as Spiderman. But, not being that into the whole WW thing anyway, I hope this frees him up to go do direct to dvd Serenity 2 and 3. He has stories there that he still wants to tell, and he has an audience that will buy the dvds. Everyone I loan my Firefly/Serenity set to says "It may be a few weeks before we get thru all the episodes--is that ok?" And I smile and say sure, since every single time, they sit down and watch everything in one weekend....
I heard that Scarlett Johannson is by emeraldboy	Feb 4th, 2007 01:49:38 PM
making an amazon warrior movie. But I think Anne Hathaway is a good choice. Charlize theron already did one superhero movie and it bombed. Most people hated Aeon Flux. BUt I agree Charlize would make a great Wonder woman. Or how about Dita von Teese. There is only one candidate who fits the bill in every description. Gretchen Moll. When I saw the The poster of Betty Paige. I said therers wonder woman.
I just got off the phone with William Moulton Marston.. by hadez	Feb 4th, 2007 01:56:41 PM
He said,t that even though he's dead, he's totally for the movie if it has Tons of Bondage. Oh, and also throw a Dakotta Fanning Rape scene while they're at it
Most hilarious talbackers EVER:MetalWater+filmstu2005 by Motoko Kusanagi	Feb 4th, 2007 02:07:35 PM
Oh man, you two are so unbelievably freaked out! First there was "Joss Whedon is a certified genius" (riiiight - and BATTLEFIELD EARTH is a movie classic) and now there is "Whedon is such a brilliant filmmaker" and "you don't know greatness on screen when you see it". Please stop it, you two blockheads or my arse will fall off laughing! MUARHARHARHAR
Superninja, does it have to fanatasy film... by NoHubris	Feb 4th, 2007 02:10:28 PM
...to sell the concept? Batman Begins played it straight and it sold. The Amazons could be played like Ra's Al Ghul and the League of Shadows. Their hover chariots and other devices could be explained as advanced technology instead of fantasy. Deja Vu is another example where what would be fantasy elements in other hands are played as science fiction and high tech.
Correction - "Does it have to be a fantasy film..." by NoHubris	Feb 4th, 2007 02:16:00 PM

Whedon is a mediocre talent.... by Mr. Charmand Grimloch	Feb 4th, 2007 02:36:03 PM
Maybe his next "project" will be to do a series almost as brilliant as Firefly. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
MetalWater by Redbox	Feb 4th, 2007 02:39:17 PM
Good Luck to you and your friends. If you continue you obvious intellectual journey and remember to visit every Comicon and Genre festival to spread your virtuous philosophy, perhaps one day you will feel the heavy and proud burden of warm and gooey Whedon Batter on your smiling face. Until then, take your Buffy and Angel dvd collection, wrap it into a large blanket and hump away. It will get you through the many cold nights... Cheers!
Personally Whedon should... by mrfan	Feb 4th, 2007 02:50:56 PM
just make his own superhero movie. Make the characters that he wants. Make them have the powers he wants. Screw the established heroes/heroines. Create his own universe to play with on the big screen.
I nominate... by Bubba Gillman	Feb 4th, 2007 02:55:29 PM
...that chick in the Mercury car commercials for Wonder Woman. I realize that my nomination is non-binding, but there you have it.
Nadia Bjorlin is Wonder Woman, total package by filmstu2005	Feb 4th, 2007 03:16:17 PM
Don't you just hate it when screenplay writers write a bunch of garbage based on a deep comic book series and totally just screw up all the characters? Like X-Men, X-Men 3, Fantastic Four. What the fuck is wrong with Hollywood?
Script sounds good. by filmstu2005	Feb 4th, 2007 08:02:58 PM
I'm telling you, its Nadia Bjorlin. She's Wonder Woman str8 up. She's an unknown, she has the height, beauty, everything. Also, I read the script review posted by the LatinoScript Review and I'm getting the impression that it gonna be a pretty good. Now just add some of Joss Whedon's ideas in it since we can't have all of his ideas, and it'll be a great epic movie. I actually even like the 1940s setting. I want them to give it that epic feel that the new graphic novel-turned-movie 300 has. That would be off the chain. Check out Nadia, she looks hot. As long as they keep her makeup down, i don't see why she cant be the big WW.
Oops by filmstu2005	Feb 4th, 2007 08:07:05 PM
Oh, sorry. Here's the link to some photos I found of her. And yea, she's got the breasteses too. Which is really the whole point of the outfit, once you think about it. http://nbo-photogallery.albump ost.com/Wonder_Woman link 2: http://nbo-photogallery.albump ost.com/Premieres
I'm surprised that no one mentioned... by NoHubris	Feb 4th, 2007 09:12:59 PM
...Franka Potente. She's well known to mainstream audiences from the Bourne franchise and to others from Run Lola Run.
MetalWater Is a Plant, but not studio owned... by Redbox	Feb 4th, 2007 11:30:15 PM
I'm certainly not a plant. Why not Google me (Redbox) on Aintitcool.com and see my posts through the years. Happy! Now go water yourself and stick a mirclegrow plant snack up yer ass! Cheers!
Theron is NOT too old by George Perez is GOD	Feb 5th, 2007 12:50:51 AM
And this is not a role for a "young girl". This is a role for a young woman. No one wants 'Buffy with Greek mythology' or 'Gilmore Girls with Greek mythology' or 'The OC with Greek mythology', etc. Theron has an authentic beauty that is very much in the same league as the young Lynda Carter, she has proven enormously versatile in what she brings to her roles, and, as I said before, she's intelligent and classy. Check her out on a recent Regis and Kelly appearance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =qXhESWH7oo4 As for Aeon Flux, well it having flopped was hardly her fault. All great actors have appeared in flops at one point or another and the people to blame for flops are directors and studio heads. Scarlett Johannson and Anne Hathaway are no-goes: I have heard so many people say SJ has a perpetually snooty look on her face and that AH has a perpetually dopey look on her face (other people's words, not mine, but I do agree with them). And I say both are just too "girl next door". Charlize looks young while at the same time projecting a maturity that is also critical for the part of Wonder Woman. I reiterate again: the casting and the new director will be key to this film's success (as well as some tidying in the script). Joel Silver, I really hope you're listening!
Bryan Singer's Superman..... by Kenny8	Feb 5th, 2007 02:19:16 AM
..the fall out continues
Alex Proyas by Mr. Profit	Feb 5th, 2007 08:44:19 AM
Should direct. He's a good director. IRobot gets a lot of unfair bullshit thrown it's way. It was a good action/sci-fi film. As for Wonder Woman herself, Anne Hathaway has the look, but Jessica Biel has the body. Just don't cast a skinny chick who is under 5'7.
WW Casting by Abin Sur	Feb 5th, 2007 09:26:55 AM
No one's suggested Jennifer Connelly - if she could gain back some of the proportion she used to have (like in the Rocketeer) she would be spot-on PERFECT!
Whedon Left? And we're disappointed? by JaPra	Feb 5th, 2007 10:25:13 AM
Joss Whedon isn't a good writer, period, end of story. What's the problem? J.M. Prater
And Whedon's big-screen curse... by Childe Roland	Feb 5th, 2007 11:05:54 AM
...goes unbroken. Seriously, the guy just wasn't meant to be a movie director. He's a very talented writer of dialogue (much like Tarantino) and has a knack for taking someone else's ideas and making them seem fresher/better (also like Tarantino) but he can't make a blockbuster movie to save his life (where the similarities between he and QT end). He should go back to writing for TV or stick to comic books. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging one's limits and embracing one's aptitudes.
Good, I didn't want to see this movie anyway. by _Maltheus_	Feb 5th, 2007 11:07:55 AM
If Joss had done it, I might have given it a chance, but I wasn't enthusiastic about it. He so desperately wants to do movies, but that's not where his strengths lie. I would very much like to see him go back to TV. Given him another show already. It would have a built-in audience. Dear Hollywood, Give it up with the freakin' Nazi's already. Yes they were bad, but there's plenty of bad to choose from in human history. I give WWII movies and video games an automatic pass these days cause it's been done to death (even Wonder Woman won't make it seem fresh). It was all over 60 years ago already. And what's the point of having superheroes in Nazi times? They can defeat superpowered villians, but they can't knock off Hitler in like 10 seconds??? Give me a break.
I still daydream by porterdsgn	Feb 5th, 2007 11:50:24 AM
about Lynda Carter's giant breasts!
WW movie by Tito Trinidad	Feb 5th, 2007 12:40:57 PM
I dont' know why everybody keeps saying you can't make a Wonder Woman movie. As several posters have already pointed out Perez did the (for me anyway) definitave portrayal of the character back in the 80's. Nothing in that run would be impossible to put on screen. Also, Wonder Woman is pretty iconic. Some of you might not know this because you don't know females, but it's true(just kidding, but she is!)
Metalwater, A Question by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 5th, 2007 01:40:05 PM
And I know I'm going to regret asking it. But why is it so important to you that people hate Joss Whedon? I mean, as what I would consider sort of a fan of his (I like to love the first 5 seasons of Buffy and last four of Angel, blame Joss quite a bit for losing interest in Buffy and letting Marti Dumbass turn it into Buffy's Creek and was pretty disappointed in Firefly but was hoping for a second season because I thought he might be able to sort things out)after reading a few of your posts I am filled with revulsion for anything his name is attached to. You have to know this is the effect your posts have on people, moreso than any number of "Whedon sucks" posts. So why do you hate him so?
dude, its not that serious. by filmstu2005	Feb 5th, 2007 03:29:04 PM
dude, its not that serious. So MetalWater likes Joss Whedon? Joss whedon is a good filmmaker storyteller. No harm in expressing that. And what effect does his "posts" have on people. You mean they actually cause people physical and emotional pain? Gasp. Why, why that's unthinkable! it's just the internet man, so you're pretty much wasting your time.
Between the poles of Anchorite and Metalwater by oisin5199	Feb 5th, 2007 04:26:02 PM
Who's more annoying or just an asshole? Now I've never been shy about being a huge Whedon fan, even though I don't give him a free pass on weak Buffy eps or the flaws of Serenity (still a great film, but only a glimpse of the greatness of Firefly). But after the years here, I've become used to the Whedon hate, people who say he's a hack, can't write, or writes for teenagers, or whatever. In my opinion, those people are misguided and dead wrong and lead lonely lives. But it doesn't mean I MUST convert them. On the other hand, I can't imagine laughing at the prospect of a much beloved entertainment figure's failure, even though that idea is laughable - I think Joss will continue to have quite a few options in film, television, and comics. He won't be going away any time soon. Sorry, haters! Now if he could just work on a) the Serenity sequel, b) the Spike/Faith movie or the Ripper series, c) a decent X-Film with his take on the characters, maybe the cast of Astonishing, bringing back the misused Cyclops, introducing Emma Frost, getting a Colossus who can act, d) a new brilliant tv series for a network that's NOT Fox (preferably HBO or Showtime), e) whatever the hell he wants because I'm there no matter what.
Will they get the director of NORBIT to make it then? by Drath	Feb 5th, 2007 05:34:32 PM
You know, like getting a nobody to make X3, Fantastic Four, and the Flash? We're in a shitty territory for genre fans, they're finally making the movies but giving them to the most boring Hollywood hacks imaginable. What a waste this is, I was really looking forward to Whedon's Wonder Woman. But I also knew this announcement was coming as far back as last fall. It was taking too long, I knew it wouldn't stand.
Anne Hathaway looks like a deer in the headlights. by superninja	Feb 5th, 2007 06:26:22 PM
A Liza Minelli deer. I have nothing against her, and she does have a nice figure, but the figure can be faked. Charlize Theron has all of the qualities, but she is considered too old and could not play an 18 year old, which is what the script pegs her as. I agree GeorgePerezguy that WW has the potential to be a fascinating character, one of the best, but mostly has been poorly written since the Perez run. It would be refreshing to see an 18-year-old woman written who acts maturely and not like a thirty-something pretending to be a teengage girl (aka WB-style, or whatever they call themselves now).
But thegreekhammer, that would cut into her job by superninja	Feb 5th, 2007 06:27:58 PM
being a real-life Wonder Woman and saving the entire planet, and I just don't think SuperJolie has the time.
Wheedon is a part of the problem. by superninja	Feb 5th, 2007 06:30:31 PM
Because everyone has copied him and it is now, officially, really old. There is a whole channel devoted to copying him. His writing style has not matured, either. Nothing against him personal, he has a number of equally-offensive peers, but his writing is juvenile.
Joel Silver...Metalwater...filmstu by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 5th, 2007 07:01:54 PM
Joel, please send me some money. If you do I will post on internet forums whatever you want. I'll be happy to point out Fair Game as an underappreciated classic, praise the Matrix sequels as simply too deep for most viewers to appreciate and even gulp post that the Dark Castle horror movies have been great pulpy fun. Once we've spent the next decade or so clearing the deck of your great track record I would be glad to say something bad about Joss Whedon on your dime. Metalwater, me, the wife, and kids have been watching seasons one through five of Buffy and two through five of Angel about once a year on DVD since the shows went down. Only in a world where you build a great big stone idol of Whedon and whine about how everyone should bow down to it would I be considered a hater. I know that's where you live, but it's not a healthy place. Filmstu, the reason it bothers me that Metalwater does this can best be illustrated from a story from my teenage years, when I worked at a comicbook store in KC. There was this guy who came in named Bernardo (though we all called him Bizarro) who had an Indiana Jones fetish. He dressed like him, talked about the movies every second he was in the store, and in general made everyone around him sick of the movies. One day he came in after seeing Treasure of the Sierra Madre. The quote I will remember until they put me in the ground (who knows, in my later years of senile dementia this may be something I repeat over and over) was this: "Bogey busted in, two six-guns blazing, ripping off Indy." Now let it alone that neither Bogart in Sierra Madre or Ford in any of the Jones movies ever busted in to anywhere two six guns blazing. But there is a level of just being flat out stupid, of not understanding the history of the medium or the way the business works, that when put in the service of a particular artist or product tends to create ill will in those who view or hear it. As I rather do like Whedon's work, for all its limitations, it bothers me that Metalwater does this (I'm 99% sure intentionally). Bernardo was sincere, and if you are, Metalwater, sorry for bringing any of this up. Hey, Joel, call me! Hudson Hawk? Richie Rich? I'll seel those suckers for you proper!
Hmmm... by Red Ned Lynch	Feb 5th, 2007 09:16:33 PM
...adult content would be the end of The Gift. Season six was OC style hormonal hijinks where characters and themes built up over a hundred episodes were put in the service of a sadly oversexed middle-aged woman's blunt, artless unworthy hands. Except for the musical. After the character destroying debacle of season six, season seven was just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. And Firefly, which had its good moments, demonstrated absolutely the limits Whedon has and the challenges he faces in growing as an artist. Still, I'd put Buffy 2, 3 and 5 and Angel 4 and 5 on any list I made of the hundred best seasons in television history.
Indira Varma could be Wonder Woman by NoHubris	Feb 5th, 2007 09:46:14 PM
She's over five seven, has a WW-ish frame, along with the challenging eyes. She could also get away with playing a younger age.
If Whedon was reading this talkback... by torpor_haze	Feb 5th, 2007 10:34:31 PM
he would be laughing histerically. All these people fighting for nothing, while he counts his $3 million for doing nothing.
2 words... ALIEN RESURRECTION. by CENOBITE	Feb 5th, 2007 11:00:41 PM
Ol' Joss should just stick to writing tv scripts chock full of his teen-nerd 'witty' banter.
Actually Red Ned Lynch by filmstu2005	Feb 5th, 2007 11:17:52 PM
I thought the Matrix Reloaded was good buy confusing, but Matrix 3 was such a letdown. And I guess u're right about the whole fanatic thing, it does get annoying. And Buffy Season 6, I'm sorry but it wasn't as good as Seasons 1-5. I blame it partly on the move from WB to UPN which in my opinion, was the worst network. It didnt know how to bring good shows to the screen and the urban comedies were underproduced. Although I do like the real-life theme it had, it was in my opinion, the WORST season. Anyway, I'm not sure if WW would work in our present time so maybe it IS best to have her set in the 1940s where times were different and women were going through that actually radical change. Just no Nazis-have a fictional type army and no Pandora's box-so overused.
Why does disliking Whedon make one sad and lonely? by NutsackMemories	Feb 5th, 2007 11:42:56 PM
Doesn't it make one have good taste? Or maybe ensures that one is not a 14-year old girl, or trying to nail one?
Did you make your very own Joss Wheedon bust by superninja	Feb 6th, 2007 12:43:38 AM
to place in your Buffy shrine?
Joss Wheedon should find a way to harness by superninja	Feb 6th, 2007 12:46:57 AM
your energy to power his career.
CENOBITE...ALIEN RESSURECTION? WHAT? by apolo_sputnik	Feb 6th, 2007 01:04:11 AM
Did you even READ Alien Ressurection script? Let me explain something to you. Just because a movie sucks ass has nothing to do with the script? Alien Ressurection is the poster child for this example. It is a phennominal script and yet one of the worst piece of shit movies I ever saw. The dickwads at FOX hired a no talent ass clown director. The only thing in the movie ALIEN RESURRECTION that resembled the script was the opening title. That statement is almost literally true. So, before you blame the writer, try reading first. Yea, it takes more effort than sitting on your ass and feeding you face with popcorn, but you may come across with someone who has something more between his ears than air.
greekhammer....GEORGE PEREZ is the man... by apolo_sputnik	Feb 6th, 2007 01:08:31 AM
George Perez had the best run of Wonder Woman. (Cebonite would not know this, because there are words that go with the pictures.) That is where this series should go. Frank Miller's ORIGINAL work has translated wonderfully onto film... 300, SIN CITY. The first six or seven issues of Perez' run would be a phennominal film. It's available on TPB if you want to check it out.
JOHN BYRNES? by apolo_sputnik	Feb 6th, 2007 01:09:43 AM
Did you even read his story acr with Wonder Woman? No way. It was just damn weak.
WEADON off Wonder Woman.... by apolo_sputnik	Feb 6th, 2007 01:13:39 AM
May be a good thing for both of them. Joss said he was going to change many aspects of the character. With the exception of Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica, this approach NEVER works. Dean Devlin & Ronnald Emmerich's Godzilla anyone? Tim Burton or Joel Schumacher's Batman? Jessuz! When will Hollywood learn. Wait, it's run by people who look at statistic sheets all day. They never will. Wonder Woman could be a great film. Anyone who has read George Perez' run will verify that. But as director? McG? What the hell? No. He's a no talent ass clown that should stay in the closet with Tom Cruiz where he belongs. If this film fell into the right hands, it would rock.
It's Wonder WOMAN, NOT Wonder GIRL! by George Perez is GOD	Feb 6th, 2007 06:47:34 PM
Superninja's statement that the script pegs the role for an 18 year old girl is ridiculous. Since when is WW an 18 year old girl?! And, once again, as I've said before and will probably have to say again: Charlize Theron is NOT too old. Some people insisted she was too young to star in Monster and she proved everyone wrong. She is an enormously gifted and versatile actress. It's utterly stupid to say she's too old. Have you taken a good look at her? She could easily pass for someone in their early twenties and will no doubt look the same in another ten years. I'm a heterosexual woman myself and never cease to be amazed by Charlize's beauty. Nobody except teenagers and perverts wants to go watch an 18-year old in this role (and anyone who wants that should call for a Wonder Girl movie instead). Wonder Woman is not and never should be 'One Tree Hill/Gilmore Girls/The OC with Greek mythology'! That's the road to disaster. The spec script reviewed by Latino Review sounds pretty darn good: run it through another draft and add plenty of the elements that made George Perez's run on the comic so awesome, cast Charlize or an unknown of her calibre as Diana, and get an awesome new director onboard: and the film will be a huge hit! Joel Silver's already big bank account will get a lot bigger. If any of you fellow posters really are working for him then please pass this advice on!!!
Sorry, but Charlize is NOT by filmstu2005	Feb 7th, 2007 01:54:02 AM
Sorry, but Charlize is NOT gonna happen. She's simply not Wonder Woman, even if she can pull off the black hair. And do you want to know y? 1) Because she's already Famous and not an Unknown, 2) Producers want someone who is younger, they dont care if Charlize is only 30somethiing, they want fresh and YOUNG blood. 3) She's already been in a female action here movie, Aeon Flux , and the studio doesn't want people comparing Aeon to Wonder Woman b/c of Charlize playing both. It just wouldnt work. She's already done the superhero thing and im sure she wouldnt want to do it again anyway. And 4) I Personally don't want her to do it again. I dont think Wonoder Woman is the movie for her. Something about her in it just doens't sit well with me. It makes u feel that u can find someone bettere. And i'm sure she doesnt want to do it. So yea, Charlize is totally not. Not gonnan happen. ONly like, in an alternate universe.
A total unknown has always been my personal preference by George Perez is GOD	Feb 7th, 2007 02:30:40 PM
My point in rooting so strongly for Charlize has been that she is a much better candidate than any other Hollywood name that's been tossed around. A total unknown who has intelligence, talent and charisma would be definitely be best for the part. But NOT someone who is an airhead teenager, has no understanding or respect for the character, and who then goes off to party with Hilton/Lohan and others of their ilk. Hopefully the new director (if he/she is as awesome as I hope and pray) will search the ends of the earth to find that unknown. The female counterpart to Brandon Routh is out there somewhere!
There are 18 year old girls that look like Bond Girls. by superninja	Feb 9th, 2007 12:26:21 AM
She is a young woman in the script review. I'm not suggesting immaturity, but a freshness and youthfulness. Perez's Diana was 18, so is the JLU Diana. Charlize Theron could not pass for a young 20 year old. She is more mature looking, and yes, stunningly beautiful, and probably will always be no matter what age. I really hope they choose someone that reflects the qualities of the Perez Diana, which would be perfect. No teenboppers and no sexpots.
nadia Bjorlin by filmstu2005	Feb 9th, 2007 08:00:05 PM
Nadia Bjorlin. She's it. Everyone's been saying so. There are 3 girls that everyone is calling the best candidates. 1)Nadia Bjorlin, 2) Morena Baccarin, and 3) Charisma Carpenter. I like all 3 but i'd rule out Morena. She simply doesnt' have that Wonder Woman look, that appeal. And her nose? Sorry, she's beautiful but not WW beautiful. Charisma is good, but she's older and their looking to cast a fresh unkown and YOUNG face. Charisma is neither. Plus her mouth looks old, like its lining. Now Nadia, she's tall enough, young, and a fresh face, and a good actress. She's not a teeny bopper paris hilton. And if she got the part of WW, she'd be believeable b/c she doesnt look like she'd break in two. You can tell she can pass as a strong chic. Look her up, I'm telling you. She's PERFECT. Does anyone agree with me? She even got the ## vote in the polls on the Ultimate Wonder Woman site.
Amen to what superninja said by George Perez is GOD	Feb 9th, 2007 08:53:29 PM
I second superninja's comment about "No teenboppers and no sexpots". I'd amend it to add "and no airheads". It would be wonderful if a sign with those words on it could be posted in the office of whoever the new director is going to be. I don't recall Perez's Diana's age ever being specified as 18 (I always viewed it as being early twenties). I still think it's ridiculous that, according to the script review, Diana is specified as being "barely twenty" and hope they don't limit casting according to that specific age. What matters is that they have brains, 'the look' and the acting ability. I do believe that Lynda Carter was about 24 when she was cast and one of the many things that made her the archetypal Wonder Woman was that she combined 'the look' while still conveying brains, strength and maturity. I did a quick check on Nadia, but sorry filmstu2005: I find her eerily reminiscent of Carmen Electra, not Lynda Carter. In fairness, I'll investigate her further and try to watch some samples of her acting. Lastly, if they do set the film in modern times, all her powers should be kept intact -- including the power to fly. I've never been a fan of the invisible jet being her sole means of long-distance transport (i.e. making a woman superhero dependent on a phallic symbol for transport), and certainly hope the filmmakers are mindful to make it look cool and not campy. The spin can also be done in a way that is cool and not campy (I like the script's idea of tying it to a magical belt granting the power of disguise), and kudos to Allan Heinberg for incorporating it into the comic book!
Nadia is pretty much every by filmstu2005	Feb 10th, 2007 02:42:51 PM
Nadia is pretty much every other fan's main pic. That Ultimate Wonder Woman site voted her # 1. You have to understand, they can make her look really fit Wonder Woman more than it already is. They just have to tone down her makeup, darken her hair more, even if its already darkest brown, and just remove all her accessories. Her eyes are sharp blue and then you'll see what I see. Look up more pictures of her and base ur opinion on those. there's one i saw at her website opening. It's a pic w/o too much on her and She looks HOT and young and Wonderwoman-like. I agree, I'd like to see her fly but also see the invisible jet. 1940s setting though. Nadia Bjorlin!
Nadia seems to lack acting ability by George Perez is GOD	Feb 15th, 2007 12:04:44 AM
I checked out Nadia via clips on youtube -- and wasn't impressed. Generally her 'acting' background (if it could be called that) seems to be exactly the sort that would invite derision from comic fans and general moviegoers alike. As I've said, I want someone who combines looks, acting ability and brains. Nadia doesn't even list a single favorite book on her myspace page and does strike me as someone who would go partying with the Hilton/Lohan/Spears airhead brigade. Her latest film role looks utterly generic too. I'm back to hoping for Charlize -- or, my first choice, a genuinely talented charismatic unknown reminiscent of Lynda Carter! And I pray for a new director who isn't a brainless twit like Brett Ratner... Yikes. If this film gets a new director with genuine talent and vision then I will truly believe there is a God.

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