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Rob Zombie tells us what we can expect his Michael Myers to look like!? Radical departure or everyone's favorite Shatner mask???

I have faith.. by BigFo	Jan 4th, 2007 03:53:42 PM
in Mr Zombie.
I trust Mr. Zombie. by savagexp	Jan 4th, 2007 03:54:50 PM
If he says it's good, then it must be so. Also -- First?
What's the point? by halfmahalfn	Jan 4th, 2007 03:57:28 PM
Was Mike Myers even famous in 78? I thought it all started with Austin Powers. And why not just hire a lookalike instead of going the gollum route? Tom Cruise played him in Goldmember, right?
THE BILL SHATNER MASK GOTTA EAT by Pound Sand	Jan 4th, 2007 03:58:37 PM
I don't have the stones to check out Rob Zombie's MySpace, but I'm glad to see him referred to as, "Shape."
Hate to admit this. by BigFo	Jan 4th, 2007 03:59:59 PM
I'm excited to get my first FIRST. Now my life can continue in all it's glory.
Yeah one of the films I'm most looking forward to... by Ernie Souchak	Jan 4th, 2007 04:00:12 PM
I think Zombie will make this genuinely scary/disturbing. And I have heard the structure will be similar to Dimension's BLACK CHRISTMAS with "new" flashbacks set in a retelling of the original Lori Strode/Loomis narrative. Anyone else hear this? No BLACK CHRISTMAS jokes please.
are you playing dumb halfmahalfn? by white owl	Jan 4th, 2007 04:03:56 PM
or are you really that stupid?
McDowell is perfect by Marillion	Jan 4th, 2007 04:10:06 PM
He's got that same "I'm a little nuts myself" look about him just like Pleasence did... This should be fun.. Probably a rental for me, but fun none the less...
Should be a Picard mask. by Christopher3	Jan 4th, 2007 04:23:56 PM
Remake needs to get with the times.
Picard mask - now that's awesome. by briantag	Jan 4th, 2007 04:36:02 PM
Talkback awards 2007. The year is still early. But there are a couple strong contenders already out the gate. Best talkback comment I've seen in a long time: Picard mask -- right on, clever. Right above it: Cocktimus Prime - best talkback name I've seen in a long time.
Should be an Austin Powers mask. by zabu 123	Jan 4th, 2007 04:49:20 PM
Think about it.
TOO SILVER! by Wasserman	Jan 4th, 2007 04:50:46 PM
The mask is just too silver...
ROB ZOMBIES PET GOAT GOTTA TEAT by RKDN Del Sol	Jan 4th, 2007 04:51:54 PM
we're fresh out of ...GOTTA EAT jokes. We should get more by next tuesday. "This forum is a geological oddity. Two weeks from damn near everywhere"
So the mask will be the same...great...however... by Messiahman	Jan 4th, 2007 04:55:36 PM
The guy he cast to wear it this time around just happens to be a `roided-out UFC reject. Not to mention the fact that Zombie is turning Myers into a "sympathetic" abused trailer park trash serial killer whose slutty mom is played by Rob's wife. I like THE DEVIL'S REJECTS just fine, but so far virtually everything about this remake is utterly wrong. Demystifying Myers is a monumental mistake. He's not a serial killer with traceable human failings -- he's the personification of pure evil stalking bland suburbia. Giving him a face and a life and definitive reasoning completely drains the character of everything that made him interesting in the first place.
I'm noy buying the leaked story rumors by PushTheButton	Jan 4th, 2007 05:01:50 PM
"abused trailer park trash serial killer whose slutty mom is played by Rob's wife." I'm starting to think this was a bad rumor and not part of the actual script. I'm hoping the "backstory" is more of what freeked Loomis out in the first place about Myers, not excuses for his actions.
The leaked casting sheets were confirmed... by Messiahman	Jan 4th, 2007 05:05:17 PM
By Zombie himself.
Should be a Wesley crusher mask... by Bong	Jan 4th, 2007 05:06:08 PM
Finally we can make him useful
Why not a Jim Carrey mask? by halfmahalfn	Jan 4th, 2007 05:17:50 PM
Or, better yet, a Rocky Dennis mask? Oh, and sorry White Owl, was just playing. Like Zabu 123, I am thinking about it.
Should Be a Mr. Tamborine Mask... by Read and Shut Up	Jan 4th, 2007 05:22:07 PM
...go Bill.
As for those who say they "trust" Zombie... by Messiahman	Jan 4th, 2007 05:22:33 PM
Let me be the first on this thread to again bring up the fact that he's a liar and a sellout. Zombie put up this front that he was a filmmaker struggling to make a movie on his terms, a man trying to work outside the system, and then he completely turns around goes to a fail safe. A remake. Something he swore he'd NEVER DO. He's a phony, and a sell out. Watching him trying to pretend what he's doing is unique from all the other hacks remaking a classic is hilarious. "Yes, I'm doing a remake, but so what? I'm still an auteur." He tried to pretend he was Carpenter, when really he's just Brett Ratner with a beard.
Meh... by JunoFallon	Jan 4th, 2007 05:24:57 PM
I don't mind Zombie as a musician, but I don't like his films. They feel a bit too self indulgent to me, and I don't really see the need to remake Halloween anyways.
Hard for Tyler Mane to fuck it up? by Sledge Hammer	Jan 4th, 2007 05:37:49 PM
No, actually, it'd be really easy for Tyler Mane to fuck this up. He could bring absolutely no character or style to the movements of his Michael Myers and just lumber along Jason style. Playing Michael Myers isn't just "walk, walk, stab", much like Karloff's Frankenstein it's about creating a character through physicality and without the benefit of dialogue. Something that Carpenter's Halloween did so well. There was a subtlety to Myers, particularly in the original film, a way of moving and looking at things, and I just don't see Mane pulling that off, in fact all I see from Mane is a Jason style "walk walk stab" performance. Hope I'm wrong and he surprises me. We'll see.
I dunno, I always thought by Novaman5000	Jan 4th, 2007 05:40:43 PM
Meyers moved a little bit silly in the originals, he's kind of jerky... I don't know I'd call that "subtlety". Still, I don't think this series needs to be remade... I'd rather just see a new entry that gets back to the basics (and the storyline) after that awe-in-a-bad-way-inducing pile of trash that was "Resurrection"
please Rob Zombie... by zombieslayer	Jan 4th, 2007 05:42:54 PM
it would be inspired to at least test out a Picard mask...
Regardless of his movements, by rainbowtrout1265	Jan 4th, 2007 05:48:16 PM
Regardless of his movements, Michael Myers didn't look like someone who spent every waking moment in the gym bulking up, which Mane does.
I'm not really a big horror much but... by TheSeeker7	Jan 4th, 2007 05:58:44 PM
so maybe you boys can tell me... is this thing seeming pretty much as pointless as the Gus Van Sant remake of "PSYCHO" was? I mean granted I know that the answer's ultimately yes, but I mean like is it a real emphatic yes or what. Oh and Harry, could we not have this pathetic Pound Of Sand banned? Actually shame on me, because I've already just given him exactly what he's been hoping for from everyone with this extended tirade of unfunny lunacy -- ATTENTION. Oh to be 13 again... sigh
"...better him that Paul WS Anderson, eh?" by The Dum Guy	Jan 4th, 2007 06:05:37 PM
That's like saying eating rancid tuna is better than eat a sandwich made of fecal matter, however I really did enjor The Devil's Rejects, so I'll with-hold judgement until I see it.
"roided-out UFC reject"? by UMAGA	Jan 4th, 2007 06:10:42 PM
Mane was a wrestler if I remember correctly. WS version would have been awesome. Johnny Cage versus Michael Myers in a karate tournament hosted by a killer spaceship in a pyramid deep underground.
UFC reject...wrestler...same difference... by Messiahman	Jan 4th, 2007 06:16:49 PM
Either way, the idea of turning the stealthy Shape into a hulking behemoth is still plain stupid. The reason why he's "The Shape" is because we know nothing about him other than his form. It's clear that Zombie has no interest in making him "The Shape" but another abused serial killer. What made Micheal so perfectly frightening in Halloween was the apparent lack of motive. Presenting him him as just another abused serial killer who's apparently been hitting the asylum gym is ridiculous and contrived.
No, no, give him the other Michael Myers mask! by JackPumpkinhead	Jan 4th, 2007 06:25:21 PM
The new mask. The one that Michael Myers wore in the recent classic Dr Seuss film in which he said the immortal line "Dirty hoe!"
Oh, while the "gotta eat" line is the worst fucking fad by JackPumpkinhead	Jan 4th, 2007 06:27:06 PM
in AICN's history, I can't help it but say "Rob Zombie gotta eat... BRAAAAINSSS!" (Actually, after I saw the abortion that he called "House of 1 Corpse" or something like that, I know that even if he ate a brain stew of Einstein and Homer, he still would be too moronic to write and direct even a Family Guy episode)
TOO SOON!! by Pageiv	Jan 4th, 2007 06:37:17 PM
I mean Halloween was just a couple months ago.
I hope if this movie bombs... by Citizin_insane	Jan 4th, 2007 06:38:22 PM
it will be the final time the Halloween franchise dies. Though it'd be cool to jump start the whole franchise (like 007), I'm starting to become as angry as Laurie Strod that this fucker just wont stay dead!
maybe the mask should be... by decfx	Jan 4th, 2007 06:45:44 PM
present day Shatner, puffy and bloated.
JackPumpkinhead by the_shogun_gunslinger	Jan 4th, 2007 06:48:29 PM
THANK YOU!!! i fucking hate this new "Gotta Eat" thing...god i'd even take FIRST any day...as for Holloween i really dont care...Myers is fucking boring...walk...walk...disappe ar...reappear...stab...the end...wow
This has to be the most unnecessary remake since that by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Jan 4th, 2007 06:54:04 PM
Phycho debacle.
This has to be the most unnecessary remake since that by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Jan 4th, 2007 06:54:09 PM
Psycho debacle.
HINO! HINO! HINO! by finky089	Jan 4th, 2007 06:56:05 PM
Halloween in Name Only!!!!!
Man by QuinnTheEskimo	Jan 4th, 2007 06:59:06 PM
I know everbody hates it, and I usually hate this shit too, but I really do enjoy the ...GOTTA EAT thing. I am a sad human being.
by the way, does anyone know why Michael Myers kills? by Citizin_insane	Jan 4th, 2007 06:59:44 PM
Or what possessed him when he was a child? Or who that 'man in black' was in the 5th movie? Or why he wants to kill HIS family? Was any of this cleared up in the past movies?
Citizin_insane by The Dum Guy	Jan 4th, 2007 07:14:15 PM
In Halloween 3 we learn that Michael Myers was born with a 2/3 of an inch penis, and that humiliation causes him to kill.
I justed wikipedia'ed it by Citizin_insane	Jan 4th, 2007 07:16:20 PM
the whole mythology is kinda lame. Still, I didnt know the Shape's mask is actually captim kirk. ha
Do I have to dig up the thread that proves I was 1st by CTU Mole	Jan 4th, 2007 07:25:07 PM
with the "Picard mask" quip? Never mind. It's wasn't that funny, you can have it.
Dum Guy by Citizin_insane	Jan 4th, 2007 07:26:17 PM
I think thats the same reason Mr Zombie is compelled to make this self-indulgent piece of crap.
Am I the only one who thinks using the same mask is by CTU Mole	Jan 4th, 2007 07:31:47 PM
the wrong play? Think of the two horror remakes that almost everyone agrees was better than the original. Did the antagonist look the same in either of them? Of course not. If your character with no personality is going to look the same in your remake, then just make a sequel. Because what else do you have?
i can't wait but mane better not fuck it up by hellnback	Jan 4th, 2007 07:35:43 PM
i'm looking forward to seeing this movie mainly cuz i'm a rob zombie fan. but if mane doesn't portray the shape right than i'll lose total confidence in zombie. whenever i watched the halloween movies i saw michael as this person who just wasn't in control of his own body. at times he had this herky jerky way of walking and it looked like he was confused most of the time but of course this was just the way michael was supposed to be. not only that but michael always had this dead look to his eyes, like there was nothing there, like he wasn't thinking at all and his killing was just instinctive. he was often quick but at times slow enough. and he had this way of blending into the shadows where you swore you just saw him stading over by the corner but weren't sure of it. i'm hoping mane can bring this sort of this back in michael and do the character right and zombie doesn't screw it up.
Hey!!! Let's Put A Face ON... by future help	Jan 4th, 2007 08:50:05 PM
Leatherface....RUINED. Dr. Lector...RUINED. Darth Vader...RUINED. Michael Myers...will be RUINED. never works. PERIOD.
Rombie should remake Season of the Witch! by INWOsuxRED	Jan 4th, 2007 08:54:05 PM
The movie that wasn't about Halloween(the movie) or witches(the people), but was about mass murdering children for no apparent reason. Whats not to like about that?
You guys wanna know a secret? by rev_skarekroe	Jan 4th, 2007 08:55:44 PM
The original Halloween wasn't a very good movie.
Use the mask from Devils Rejects by S-Mart shopper	Jan 4th, 2007 08:58:58 PM
More importantly, is Zombie doing the score & soundtrack like Carpenter???? That could ROCK the testies right out the sack!
Too soon for a sexy tomboy beanpole with flaming ... by YotzVonFrelnik	Jan 4th, 2007 09:46:11 PM
... nipples to eat, have a beer and cheet on Shatner! If anyone can pull off a respectable remake of one of the most iconic horror films it's got to be Rob.
Hey rev_skarekroe, wanna know an even bigger secret? by Messiahman	Jan 4th, 2007 09:47:32 PM
You don't have very good taste in films.
future help, you're right on the money. by one9deuce	Jan 4th, 2007 09:49:55 PM
The thing that makes a mysterious character so appealing is........THEY'RE MYSTERIOUS! Keep the mystery Hollywood, quit destroying iconic characters. If you haven't noticed, you're running out of them. rev_skarekroe, I got to disagree with you, the original Halloween is a masterpiece slasher film. Whether you think slasher films have any merit or not is your own opinion of course.
Messiahman by one9deuce	Jan 4th, 2007 09:54:09 PM
You should have said "You want to know what isn't a secret?" to rev_skarekroe.
Zombie has yet to reach his potential. by Experiment 626	Jan 4th, 2007 10:10:05 PM
I don't know if doing a remake is how he should stretch his talents, but it IS better him than most...if only he can refrain from MTV edits and fake lightning. He's so well educated, you'd think he'd learn to use his camera a little better...the main question IS - why the fascination with such a crappy subgenre of horror as stupid serial killers and Hee-Haw degenerates? That shit is for retards.
Zombie must be stopped at all costs by Doctor_Sin	Jan 4th, 2007 10:38:41 PM
This will suck. You will not enjoy this.
Damn you, Jar Jar Binks by darthbinks1220	Jan 4th, 2007 11:52:33 PM
Damn you, Jar Jar Binks
Just a few thoughts from a huge fan... by JERRY HORROR	Jan 5th, 2007 01:02:31 AM
Well at least Zombie got one thing right thus far. This was a no brainer though. I don't think the fan's would have accepted anything else. The mask is the real star, it's iconic, simple and haunting. One thing I would do personally, is have a backstory where Michael gets his toungue cut out. It would explain why he doesn't speak. To make this franchise scary again, there has to be roots firmly planted in logic. With this film, (I hold the original very near and dear to my heart) I would rather just avoid trailers and spoilers. I wanna see it late at night, all f**ked up. As a die hard fan, trust me, I want this film to work even more than the shareholders. Nuff said.
fuck rob zombie by misnomer	Jan 5th, 2007 01:22:50 AM
and fuck goths. How DARE they mess with halloween. How....dare...they.
...an ounce of reason.. by The Dum Guy	Jan 5th, 2007 02:12:41 AM
Come on all you hating muthafukers, would you really have faith in anyone re-imagining such an important piece of cinema? No, of course not, Halloween in it's time was one of the greatest Indie (pre-Indie) films ever made, from what I've heard it rivals the Blair Witch with box-office gross adjusted, so to say this is a good idea is just fuckbungles, but Zombie is better than 69% of the 'horror' film-makers today... All's I's got's to say is shut-up, and judge this on it's own merits (at least they didn't go with a 'Shape-sans-mask', Imagine Michael Myers if he was just too lazy/crazy to care if his face was covered)... I should stop drinking.
Frankly I don't want to know more about myers by spectrebeeyatch	Jan 5th, 2007 02:58:23 AM
I agree with an above TB that knowing classic villains back grounds have lead to nothing but boring failures. Vader a classic probably best baddie of all time-prequels dented his legacy. Same goes with a lot these toss backs. Why do you think people liked Boba Fett so much? Because we knew nothing about him he just kicked ass. Same goes for Darth Maul and Hans Gruber. Hans only back story was he got offended that people called him a robber instead of a terrorist. I already know this movie will probably just be "meh" visually it will probably be alright but the story will suck! If I'm wrong then Zombie is a serious master at making horror films. But I really doubt this movie will be anything more than A LOT of gore and a backstory for Myers that no one will care about.
why didn't they just get an old Shatner mask? by RighteousBrother	Jan 5th, 2007 03:28:16 AM
Make the eyes bigger, paint it white and use that?
I wanna see Sheri Moon as a Werewolf woman of the SS by CuervoJones	Jan 5th, 2007 03:40:06 AM
yes i do
Those awful leaked casting sheets sealed the deal... by Messiahman	Jan 5th, 2007 04:07:58 AM
Personally, although I'm a fan of both of his films, I'm sick to death of Zombie's obsession with trailer trash carnival freaks. Okay, it was cool the first couple of times, but it's time to start growing aesthetically. Zombie has mined this particular style in all his albums, in all his concerts, in all his posters, in all his songs, in all his films. We get it Rob, you think trailer trash equals "gritty." Now, is there anything else you've got, or was that it? I had hoped this was a chance for Zombie to try something different, to try a new aesthetic that didn't involve strippers, jailbait, retards, hicks, and masturbating freaks... but it's starting to seem like that's all he's got in him. The strange thing is, a couple of months ago when he hosted the Underground Classics late night horror series on TMC for the last few weeks, he proved that his taste in horror is terrific and covers a WIDE variety of styles and subgenres. He knows good movies. He likes different kinds of style in cinema. So why the hell does he seem to keep going back to the SAME OLD WELL every single time?
Messiahman/Futurehelp by Piltdown Joey	Jan 5th, 2007 04:14:37 AM
I like the "pure evil" opinion of the Messiahman. Futue Help: Boba Fett...RUINED. Much to be gained by listening to these.
Really funny how people stand up for this movie.. by mrfan	Jan 5th, 2007 04:32:23 AM
but yet have never seen the original.
Should be a Rocky Dennis mask by silentjay	Jan 5th, 2007 05:23:35 AM
Sorry.
When's the Jaws remake coming out? by Nice Marmot	Jan 5th, 2007 07:09:02 AM
Cause that will be SWEET. Think of that big shark and the magic of CGI.
MRFAN by Frijole	Jan 5th, 2007 07:21:48 AM
What are you talking about? Who on here are you accusing of not having seen the original?
How about another Wicker Man remake? by Spandau Belly	Jan 5th, 2007 07:37:42 AM
Nobody saw the last one.
Messiahman has a clue.... by d3funct	Jan 5th, 2007 07:41:35 AM
.... Yes Zombie is a one trick person. Im tired of it all . Him and Manson with their goth look how disturbing we are BS. Its just poser crap. Posturing. Long live Chuck Schuldiner/Death fuckers! Anyway I agree its usless to go into the backgrounds of these characters. They did the same with Black Christmas - which I havent seen yet, but have heard terrible things about. The problem is, we've seen it all before and the disturbed,I had a fucked up childhood thing has become so cliched. I remember people complaining about that when Red Dragon came out. "Mommy touched my weiner and now Im disturbed and have to kill people". Its scarier when you dont dont why or how people turned out the way they are. Look at the end of One Hour Photo for another example of how explaination can kill the drama of not knowing. It takes a talented filmaker to pull off the origin of a sick person and Zombie isnt a talented filmaker. Hes all about flash, quick edits, gore and freaks. The first Halloween hardly even has any blood in it.Halloween would take the opposite - someone willing to take their time to set things up. someone with patience and SKILL with the camera. Man I cant stand that this guy is doing this film. I dont usually get involved in talkbacks here, but this really annoys me. As if 8 bad sequels isnt enough to endure....
The new mask should be Data!!! by Cellar Door	Jan 5th, 2007 07:59:40 AM
Can't believe no one said that yet! It's already pale (if a little goldish/yellow colored)..the hair is creepy doll hair looking..the expression is..well...expressionless! I hope Zombie proves me wrong but this is sounding like the suck more and more. Honestly..a classic like Halloween does not need a remake...and stop demystifying our freaking villains!! Darth Vader is now Ralph Machio from Karate Kid!! WTF??!?!?!?!
Better than a new mask... by solarangel	Jan 5th, 2007 08:02:33 AM
Why didn't Zombie go all the way and cast Bill Shatner as The Shape? For cryin' out loud, the sight of Shatner himself wearing the Shatner mask would have been ironic comedy gold...
...and starring Hulk Hogan as The Shape by solarangel	Jan 5th, 2007 08:04:01 AM
................. AAAAAAH!!! .............. BROTHER!!! With apologies to Mr. Bollea, but I feel I've done my share to revive interest in the Hulkster 'round these parts. And I'd pay real money just to see films with Hogan on a bloody, murderous rampage, mask or no.
haha.. DENTED HIS LEGACY. by white owl	Jan 5th, 2007 09:01:02 AM
nice unintentional pun, spectrebeeyatch... I think.
Why can't we just leave shit alone?! by porterdsgn	Jan 5th, 2007 09:17:15 AM
Seriously! Why keep remaking all this shit that was fucking perfect the first time around. They shouldn't have fucked with Texas Chainsaw Massacre and they shouldn't fuck with Halloween either.
Shatner Myers vs Picard Myers by JAGUART	Jan 5th, 2007 10:12:06 AM
Sigh. The debate that never will be would be the rage of the century.
Malcolm McDowell as Dr. Loomis? by KingKirby	Jan 5th, 2007 10:40:43 AM
What...was Sid Haig busy? Seriously, I'd be willing to give Malcolm "Time is the fire in which we burn" McDowell a chance as Loomis...if he's bald and has a beard. Anyway, according to the novelization of "Halloween", an evil spirit posessed a villager during Samhain (the Druid festival celebrating the end of the harvest -- funny, he doesn't look Druish -- sorry, had to do it), did some pretty awful things in a spiteful, nasty way, and moved on. The spirit later inhabited young Michael Myers, causing him to kill his sister, Judith. It seemed to kind of work the way Redjac did in the "Star Trek" original series episode, "Wolf in the Wolf", where Scotty was taken over by the spirit of Jack the Ripper. In the original "Halloween" film, however, it was definitely much creepier to not know his justifications for killing...just an escaped lunatic who was on the prowl for more victims..."The Night He Came Home"...and then he disappears at the end...again, with no explanation. Just this ghostly, unkillable, white-faced...Shape. I don't want any of this fucked-up, white trash family, Devil's Reject, Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, grimy/scummy look that had already been ripped off by "Saw" from David Finscher's "Seven". Another part of why "Halloween" was scary was because evil had come to Haddonfield, this small town suburban location, and it lent a certain "Oh my god, that kind of thing could happen here!" feel to it, not unlike how "The Blob" oozed it's way through the town. So sayeth the King!
someone said rob zombie was like ratner with a beard by myspoonistoobig	Jan 5th, 2007 10:47:34 AM
but Ratner HAS a beard...this leads to so many conundrums
fuck your grandmother by lofe101	Jan 5th, 2007 11:32:59 AM
i have huge faith in zombie. probably cause im the only one on this site that thinks house of a thousand corpses was fucking awsomely sweet.
This remake is one of the most retarded ideas ever. by deanamatronix	Jan 5th, 2007 11:34:08 AM
And Zombie's films are appalling pieces of shit.
So instead of sitting patiently in a lunatic ward... by Roguewriter	Jan 5th, 2007 12:00:06 PM
... for 15 years, biding his time to make his move, suddenly the psychotic, catatonic Michael Myers is spending his time pulling a Deniro, CAPE FEAR-style, working out and bulking up so he looks like Tyler Mane at the end of his incarceration instead of the ordinary, seemingly muscle-less asylum lifer he SHOULD be -- thus being twice as shocking when he suddenly explodes into murderous action???? Sigh... This is really going to suck. The idea that remorseless, unstoppable villains need to look like WWF wrestlers is just laughable. The whole idea of this remake is ludicrous. I had high hopes because of Zombie's skills, demonstrated so ably on DEVIL'S REJECTS, but nothing else since then has offered so much as a shred of hope this will do anything but suck wind. Hey Rob -- welcome to Gus Van Sant's world, pointlessly remaking a horror classic purely because some dumbass 26-yr-old studio hack thought it might be "sweet." Fucking waste. Grr.
WHY OH WHY ETC by VERY METAL	Jan 5th, 2007 12:58:16 PM
There is no point remaking a classic film (especially one that has a fan base as big as halloween does) the backlash after this comes out is gonna kill robs movie career and i am a fan of his music and his first two films but i agree that halloween should be left alone, it is a perfect film already and it will be inpossible to improve upon. Well rob i will be sorry to see you end in straight to video territory but this was your choice!
Halloween.. by Nintendo Dude	Jan 5th, 2007 01:28:50 PM
I realize I'm in the minority, but I thought Halloween sucked ass. The pacing was slow as hell. Nothing about it was 'scary' or 'nerve-wracking' or 'terrifying' at all. In my opinion, Zombie can only improve on what I think is a greatly overrated film.
So long as by Darth Busey	Jan 5th, 2007 01:39:08 PM
Dr. Loomis has a beer and cheets on his wife, I'm there.
Wait, what? by Kurzinski Valentine	Jan 5th, 2007 02:11:10 PM
Is Michael Meyers 'The Shape'? What's 'The Shape'? I am confused. Doesn't everything have a shape? The shape of his face? ShatnerShaped?
abomination by Nice Marmot	Jan 5th, 2007 02:14:35 PM
My point was that I think the Halloween remake is pushing it and a Jaws remake would be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Apparantly I need to brush up on my fanboy sarcasm.
What about Halloween II? by mjbok1	Jan 5th, 2007 02:16:34 PM
Honestly I think that part II was much better than part I. There are some incredibly paced sequences in and around the hospital in part II that have no match in the original. Also, I believe (could be wrong on this) the whole sister aspect isn't actually revealed until part II. In the first part Laurie Strode was just a babysitter. It's been a long time so I'm not sure, but I'm fairly certain.
Hey , guess what... by Dr Gregory House	Jan 5th, 2007 03:08:16 PM
Remakes, generally suck. Yes. We all can pretty much agree on that. However, the original will always be there. If Zombie's version sucks, so be it. I don't think it will, so I am willing to put down a few bills to find out. No matter what, it'll be better than 'Shall We Dance'.
mjbok by myspoonistoobig	Jan 5th, 2007 03:56:39 PM
Halloween II is definitely a good follow-up. I wouldn't say better but it is worthy. and yeah, the sister thing is an addition to the second although they made this TV cut of Halloween when Halloween II came out that includes newly-shot additional scenes that cheat this information back into the original.
The thing is, Halloween has already been remade. by CTU Mole	Jan 5th, 2007 04:03:42 PM
It was called Friday the 13th. Then it was given a special effects budget and was called A Nightmare on Elm Street. And then it was called a thousand other movies, including all the Halloween sequels. Then it was satirized with Scream. What more could possibly be said on the subject?
Halloween is the first film being remade by one9deuce	Jan 5th, 2007 05:24:37 PM
that I would consider impossible to equal much less top. It truly is absolutely perfect in every way. The music is classic, the costume/mask for Michael Myers is classic, the whole setting is perfect, John Carpenter's direction is inspired, the ultimate all-time scream queen is the heroine, even the poster is a classic. Good luck Rob Zombie, you're going to need it.
Zombie just officially announced Sheri Moon's casting by Messiahman	Jan 5th, 2007 05:30:14 PM
She's playing Michael's trailer trash mother, and William Forsythe is playing his abusive stepfather. So...for all those who expressed doubt when I mentioned it yesterday, allow me to say a very loud "I told you so."
its simple really by misnomer	Jan 5th, 2007 05:52:03 PM
Halloween is SEMINAL film-making...the pinnacle of horror movie making, an archetypal genre piece....call it whatever you want....this movie (along with texas chainsaw) has earned it's fucking right not to be touched. It's like remaking Jaws as an earlier poster has said...or any other piece of classic cinema. It's like remaking Raiders Of The Lost Ark or The Shawshank Redemption, or (Planet Of The Apes ;) )....it just isn't done. I had nothing against "Rob Zombie" before....well that's a lie he think calling himself "Rob Zombie" is a good thing....but now the fucker can just fuck the fuck off...arrogant prick.
Original pacing too slow? by Doggus47	Jan 5th, 2007 06:05:51 PM
That's like saying the pacing of Alien was too slow. I hate to sound like an old man, but building suspense is better than the immediate pay off of a lot of today's torture porn. I prefer to be scared than grossed out.
Sheri Moon's casting seals it by IndyCollector	Jan 5th, 2007 06:13:23 PM
This movie will chew. She's a horrible actress, and an annoying one at that. This sounds like another "child is abused so let's not blame him we should feel sorry for him" kind of thing. See www.halloweenmovies.com for additional casting choices for young Michael and the Strodes.
It will be better than Halloween 3-8 by Gwai Lo	Jan 5th, 2007 09:35:20 PM
You can pretty much count on that. It will never top the original because that's an impossible task. It might top Halloween II but I have a real soft spot for that one, I think it's almost as good as the first one and I remember rubbing one out to the chick in the jacuzzi when I was just a wee lad beginning my masturbation career. The first time I saw House of 1000 Corpses I wasn't very impressed at all, but when I saw the Devil's Rejects I was blown away and Rob Zombie instantly became a filmmaker to watch. More so than some of the others in his generation like Eli Roth and Alexandre Aja. I think he has the most potential to crossover out of horror as well. I didn't originally think Halloween was the perfect match for him but I'm interested to see what he'll do with it. I'd rather see what he'd do with the Wolverine movie as originally planned. I like the casting of Malcolm Macdowell, am only half sold on Tyler Mane, and cringe at the thought of Sheri Moon and William Forsythe as abusive Myers parents. I agree that we probably shouldn't find out too much about why Michael is pure evil, that is infact part of what made 4,5, and 6 so bad (well not as bad as Resurrection) in that they kept coming up with progressively more retarded explanations for his origins. I don't think the gritty Devil's Rejects style is a totally congruous fit with the Halloween world, but I hope he brings a nostalgic 70s feel to the proceedings. Some cleaner shots and subtle use of suspense like the original had would be nice. I have a feeling he's going to make Myers ferocious, and not at all like the subdued automaton of the original. Oh well, despite all that speculation I'm waiting in nervous anticipation to see if it's any good. If it's bad, I'm still keeping an eye on Zombie, because Devil's Rejects bought several bad films worth of street cred from me. God knows Carpenter nearly exhausted his free rides before he finally dropped Cigarette Burns on us.
I still have a soft spot for HALLOWEEN IV... by Roguewriter	Jan 6th, 2007 07:21:33 AM
... simply for all those creepifyin shots, like Michael simply striding unperturbed across the rooftop everyone else is slipping and sliding across, or the shot with the multiple Myerses, or that initial "Right, let's move 'im," and BANG! the classic theme tune starts up, powered up to breakneck speed by master scorist Alan Howarth. The fourth flick should have ended it all; it was the perfect conclusion to the series, with little Jamie picking up where Unca Mikey left off. But no -- they ran the franchise into the ground. .... Back to the remake, I agree w/ the poster above who listed all the previous classic horror flicks w/ bad remakes -- except I kinda dug the remorseless fury of TEXAS CHAIN SAW (I hadn't, at that point, seen SAW, and HOSTEL had yet to come out, so I wasn't overdosed by then on the current snuff-horror trend, and I thought Nispel did a pretty damned good job dispensing with the crap-camp qualities of Hooper's original and turning the storyline into a truly grimy, mad affair. Yeah, R. Lee Ermey was way, WAY over the top... but you gotta love the guy like you love Bruce Campbell and Tom Towles, so it was to be expected. If anything, the film was hampered only by the punches it pulled (heavy editing on the deaths of Morgan and Pepper); it was beautifully shot and edited. I give it a pass. The rest mentioned in that list? Whole-hearted agreement. To date, the ONLY remake of a true horror classic that deserves to exist is -- I can't believe I'm saying it, but -- DAWN OF THE DEAD. I'm a rabid fan of the original, having seen it more than 350 times, and I was screaming with the best of em when it was announced... but dammit, the remake ain't bad. It lacks the kinda relevant social underpinnings that anchored the original and elevated it out of the horror shlockpit (and it does lack Romero's lovely quartet of actors, none of them overly talented, but all of them raw and real, particularly Scott Reiniger as wildman Roger). But the remake is a bullet, a flick that never slows down and takes no prisoners. Fast zombies? I can live with em, if the storyline is compelling enough and the horror is wholesale. The remake needed more (MUCH more) gore, but overall, it did the job... and I hate to say it, but I've watched it more on DVD than Romero's own return to his universe, LAND OF THE DEAD. ....... So -- whither HALLOWEEN? Honestly, I have no hopes for it. Every bit of story and casting news (barring Malcolm McDowell -- the man was awesome in TIME AFTER TIME and CAT PEOPLE, and I've been a fan ever since) to date just makes it sound like Zombie is losing all the elements that made HALLOWEEN a groundbreaking original of its time, and replacing them with tried-and-true formula beats that mimic the current crop of chop-and-grind snuff horror. A shame. Then again, his HALLOWEEN, as its own beast, might still be a very watchable film, purely because Zombie HAS demonstrated he knows how to cut footage and drive action. He can put you in the moment like too few horror filmmakers can do nowadays. I hate the idea of this remake. HATE IT. But only the film itself will prove or disprove its merits in its own right...
So now.... by d3funct	Jan 6th, 2007 12:09:07 PM
.....Michael has abusive stepfather - how original. We've never seen that before. That expains why hes so driven to kill. ARRGH!
Recent horror remakes I like, Re: Halloween IV by Gwai Lo	Jan 6th, 2007 12:39:12 PM
Ignoring stuff like The Thing and the Fly, which I sometimes forget are remakes because they're so drastically different from the originals, and focusing on only the recent remakes, there are a handful that I enjoy. (My Bachelor's degree just evaporated after I wrote that sentence) I like the Hills Have Eyes, I think it preserves the social commentary of the original, cranks up the intensity, and comes out the other side with a much slicker product. I still love the original HHE, but the remake was savage and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I like Dawn of the Dead too, but thought once it settled into its story and began fleshing out its characters it was lacking a lot of the charm that the original had. Plus the whole zombie baby idea was a bit much, and Mekhi Phfeiffer (sp?) behaves in a totally implausible (or just plain retarded) way. I also like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre for what its worth, although its this one of the three I've mentioned that falls the shortest of the original. I enjoyed the movie, but it wasn't all that much different from Wrong Turn or House of Wax (remake). The fact that it was better than most of the sequels helped, which is probably what's going to help Halloween as well. However, the bad remakes far outweigh the good, and I haven't even seen all of these: Wicker Man, The Omen, The Fog, House of Wax, Black Christmas, When a Stranger Calls, and loads more. On the topic of Halloween IV, it is the best of the later sequels. My order goes like this: Halloween, Halloween II, Halloween IV, Halloween V, Halloween: H20 (have always hated this title, not even a clever pun as the series has nothing to do with water), Halloween VI, Halloween: Resurrection. I don't know where to insert Halloween III in there so I'm not going to bother. Halloween IV retains a lot of the atmosphere of the original, but it's starting to feel a bit redundant by Round 3 when we just get the same thing each time with less suspense. I just hope Rob Zombie's Halloween is better than part IV because it would be disappointing to get something even on that level.
Amen, Roguewriter... by Messiahman	Jan 6th, 2007 02:53:55 PM
As usual, all of your points are right on the money. By the way, how the hell have you been, and how do I get in touch with you?
Wasn't it MORE frightning when... by Immortal_Fish	Jan 6th, 2007 07:33:27 PM
...the Strode family were your average middle class family that unwittingly contributed to society the embodiment of pure evil?
Don't care about this Mr Zombie, do an original film by DirkD13"	Jan 7th, 2007 07:42:27 AM
I saw the original for the first time a couple of years back, and because I'd seen so many Halloween rip-offs beforehand, including some of it's own sequels, I have to say I wasn't too impressed. Mind you, slasher movies aren't really my bag baby. Give me The Thing anyday.
Didnt mcdowell kill kirk off in generations? by Mr_X	Jan 7th, 2007 07:59:12 AM
i'd like a denny crane cameo. and have freddie prinze jr lurking around in the woods somewhere, perhaps with paris hilton.
Yes Fish, everyone recognizes that but Zombie by INWOsuxRED	Jan 7th, 2007 12:54:36 PM
Part of what was scary was this whole thing could happen in your town, in your family, and to you, and it could just happen with no explaination at all. There is an otherwolrdly evil that exists and could find its way into your life and there is nothing you can do about it. What isn't scary is knowing that in some shitty hillbilly trailor park, bad things might happen. This Halloween seems very determined to suck in an insulting fasion, and as a result I am enjoying these talkbacks which relay the messages of how Rob Zombie brags about a new fuck up on his myspace page on a fairly regular basis. DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!

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