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A Very Slightly Different TRANSFORMERS Trailer From Japan!! Bay And Spielberg Speak Japanese!!

Shotgun! by v for vienetta	Jan 3rd, 2007 05:50:27 AM
Ooh first first of 2007. Anyhoo, I still have a glimmer of hope... I really do hope it's gonna be good...
smarter bay by alb55	Jan 3rd, 2007 06:08:23 AM
seems like bay get scared next to spielberg!
This got by Jluca96	Jan 3rd, 2007 06:08:47 AM
Mixed reactions from the crowd when it was shown with Rocky Balboa...granted it was right after we had to endure the preview for Blood and Chocolate so who knows...
Well by Seven Seas	Jan 3rd, 2007 06:10:52 AM
It looks better than I expected, to be honest.
Little Slow on the uptake, Guys by DOGSOUP	Jan 3rd, 2007 06:16:31 AM
Ah well it's not the stories anymore that are the Cool News, it's the TFTB!! TFTB BFF!!!! Michael Bay looks like a gay pornstar. Steven says this will be like Armageddon AND War of the Worlds so we're right!!! This will be a HUGE dissapointment! From the horses' mouths even! Michael Bay looks like a gay pornstar horse. Harry liked Armageddon so maybe the movie will have one or two fans. Damn you Rachel Ray, Damn you with Michael Bay's gay horse porn.....
Damn you Michael Bay-dess! by TraumReiter	Jan 3rd, 2007 06:21:17 AM
No seriously, the trailer still looks bad-ass! Wow, I like that rhyme! www.zombiewestern.de
Scorponok is my favourite band by Franklin T Marmoset	Jan 3rd, 2007 06:27:28 AM
The best of 1980s German poodle rock. Their big hit was 'Baby, taste our rock!'.
Have to admit Michael Bay has nice hair! by Dazzler69	Jan 3rd, 2007 06:28:34 AM
Why not do this type of promo in the USA where the big money will be?
i think the human characters by just pillow talk	Jan 3rd, 2007 06:49:09 AM
are gonna make this movie! It's going to be a gut-wretching, tear-jerker, emotionally walloping of a film. Their human stories will move you! Robots do look nice, but god damn, Armageddon? Maybe they'll have the animal cracker scene in this one for you too superninja?
trailer looks great, by Barndorfer	Jan 3rd, 2007 07:01:13 AM
but if it's being made from that script that was recently reviewed here I don't see how it can not suck.
Big $$ not in US by Modern-Artifacts	Jan 3rd, 2007 07:13:04 AM
For what it is worth, the big money for flims is not in the US, but in the foreign markets. Because of that, there is an increasing focus and catering to those markets. This ad is a perfect example of that. The personal message from Bay and Spielberg is a very Japanese-style approach to advertising. Notice that they talked mainly about visual effects and spectcle rather than story - again, catering to the Japanese and other foreign markets. I think the ad was very savvy.
Shit... Why coudn't we get this intro in US and btw!!!! by Proman1984	Jan 3rd, 2007 07:27:52 AM
Please be more like War of the Worlds and less like Armageddon, pease! Please don't suck!
Shit... Why coudn't we get this intro in US and btw!!!! by Proman1984	Jan 3rd, 2007 07:27:52 AM
Please be more like War of the Worlds and less like Armageddon, pease! Please don't suck!
Indeed by Ridge	Jan 3rd, 2007 07:32:43 AM
The American trailer was superb, it built tension, hit all the right notes, it built fear. The japanese one is amazing, the two extra shots of the robots and some other things totally change the kind of trailer it is. This one screams "GIANT MOTHERFUCKING ROBOTS KICKING THE SHIT OUT OF EACH OTHER!" and that's DAMN well what Michael Bays gonna deliver.
Modern-Artifacts is right. by Orbots Commander	Jan 3rd, 2007 07:39:25 AM
Two recent examples, one good movie and one terrible: Casino Royale and The Davinci Code. Both movies did respectable business in the United States which would classify them as big hits though not outright blockbusters; but if you look at the foreign grosses, Casino Royale made somewhere in the range of $500 Million and counting, making it the highest grossing Bond movie, and Davinci Code made a stunning $800 Million worldwide, thereby launching a Dan Brown novels to movie franchise a la Grisham and Clancy. The big money IS in the foreign grosses and DVD. A U.S. theatrical movie release is becoming more of the marketing campaign prior to the foreign distribution and the DVD release.
SCORPONOK GOTTA EAT by Pound Sand	Jan 3rd, 2007 07:41:37 AM
Rock you like a hurricane!
It would be funny if... by Childe Roland	Jan 3rd, 2007 07:45:39 AM
...the Japanese version of the film took some liberties with the dialogue during the dubbing process, using that to change the story (assuming it's still intact) that people are so worked up over fromt he leaked script. I'd be curious to see a subtitled version of the Japanese cut of the film in proximity to the U.S. release just to see what it comes out looking like. Oh, and you will respond with "here," which will be understood to stand for "Here I am, rock you like a hurricane"...like the Scorpions have done before you.
Still pretty meh over this... by UltimaRex	Jan 3rd, 2007 07:48:00 AM
...but I'm typing this with my Wii! One, two. One, two. Testing, testing...
Scorponok is TOO SILVER! by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Jan 3rd, 2007 08:07:04 AM
Should have been more of a teal :)
it would be more funny by just pillow talk	Jan 3rd, 2007 08:18:03 AM
if the Japanese were to just digitally add man in rubber suit to the movie.
Michael Bay has Jeff Spicoli hair. by Zarles	Jan 3rd, 2007 08:21:01 AM
Make up your mind, dude - are these robots gonna shit, or are they gonna kill us?
TraumReiter-des by iamthomas	Jan 3rd, 2007 08:24:48 AM
now that´s quite courageous. To "Damn You Michael Bay" and then showing off your unique filmmaking skills with "Wasted West". Man, you shouldn´t "Damn you" anybody.
iamthomas. You know Germans dont do funny by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Jan 3rd, 2007 08:46:56 AM
They also dont do rhyming either, it seems.
to whoever said the bigmoney was in america by visitor_q	Jan 3rd, 2007 08:47:23 AM
is an idiot, merchandising sales alone in japan will kill any amount of money they film wll make in the us
as am i by visitor_q	Jan 3rd, 2007 08:48:33 AM
with my crappy typing
Col. Tigh-Fighter. Yes, you´re right on both accounts by iamthomas	Jan 3rd, 2007 09:03:31 AM
but they do good films lately. You should check out "The Lives of Others". Amazing picture.
hmm... by Mr. Lahey	Jan 3rd, 2007 09:08:23 AM
Where are all the fart-suckers who are paid to post here and trash this movie? Looks like the trailer punched them right in the fucking forehead. LOL at the fart-suckers!
Where's Godzilla, Rodan, and Mothra? by kinghenryVIII	Jan 3rd, 2007 09:11:17 AM
And where's the two midget little Jap chics giving advice and singing, "Mothraaaaaa. Mothraaaaaa." Some serious Godzuki action is needed - little sprite mother fucker jumping up and down puffing out smoke rings.
RAD! by mr. brownstone	Jan 3rd, 2007 09:14:23 AM
ical.
And I dug the hell out of War of the Worlds! by kinghenryVIII	Jan 3rd, 2007 09:19:26 AM
Built tension - great FX - I liked the story (yeah, I said it). I thought the basement with the gun nut went too long and should have had L. Ron Cruise lamp him in the head much sooner, but it worked. It helped I watched it high at home on DVD but I thought it rocked. Yeah, the son should have died but by then, well, it was over and I went to bed. If Transies will be like this, it's gonna rock. If it's like the asteriod flick then .... grahm cracker animals and Aerosmith monatges I'll be passin' up like a chicken wing.
Complaining about this is really stupid by major_tom_aint_dead	Jan 3rd, 2007 09:37:56 AM
Because if it ends being stupid is because the source is no diferent. Like the FF movie: is based on 1963 comic book characters! Transformers is based on goddanmed toys, so what do u expect, The Godfather with giant robots? Dont get me wrong, I´m no Michael Bay fan, but I bet that, like the "James Blond" film everybody was pissed about, every pissed off Transformer fan who is bictchin about it now will be paying a ticket to see it.
War of the Worlds/Lost in Translation by just pillow talk	Jan 3rd, 2007 09:41:24 AM
kinghenryVIII - I agree with you that while they were running, it was some pretty good shit. It would have been better if the kid was with them when they went down to the basement, Tim Robbins kills him immediately, Tommy kills Timmy immediately, and then they start running again. That scene just killed the momentum of the film. I thought Lost in Translation was a snorefest. I just couldn't get into it.
but complaining about it is fun... by just pillow talk	Jan 3rd, 2007 09:43:48 AM
it generates some good talkbacks.
DESU DESU DESU by godoffireinhell	Jan 3rd, 2007 09:48:15 AM
DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU DESU!!!
Japan Loves Them Some Robots... by DrTobiasFunke	Jan 3rd, 2007 09:48:24 AM
There are more robot related animes, comics, videogames, etc than anything else in that country. Not that I blame them either, but robots are cool. Spielberg, Bay, and robots seem like a perfect match. Sure it may be better if this wasn't called Transformers, but I'm still there on day one. Maybe even day two.
Why not by kikuchiyoboy	Jan 3rd, 2007 09:59:54 AM
"Like my film '1941' and Michael's film 'Pearl Harbor'..." uhm.. err.
that's out on CD already or you can download it by just pillow talk	Jan 3rd, 2007 10:22:25 AM
check it out.
I love armageddon by Evil Hobbit	Jan 3rd, 2007 10:34:07 AM
I love war of the worlds
you are evil... by just pillow talk	Jan 3rd, 2007 10:35:25 AM
you evil, evil hobbit!
just pillow talk - that would have put it up a few by kinghenryVIII	Jan 3rd, 2007 10:38:54 AM
notches. I liked the aliens in the basement / Abyss like spying gizmo but the the sceene went on too long thanks to Robbins. Skidded to a halt, man. Losing the kid there would have added tons more to it. Good movie for a DVD purchase. That's how I'll enjoy Transformers - drunk on the couch in the privacy of my own home, unless people on this TB claim it's fucking nuts, but I doubt it. Though, I've paid money for worse.
damn it, fine, we'll rework it yet again... by just pillow talk	Jan 3rd, 2007 10:48:12 AM
this time for Yack. Okay, Godzilla will make a small cameo appearance. Does anyone remember that short cartoon where bambi (or something like bambi) is just minding it's own business when Godzilla's foot stomps it? We'll have the same premise, but with Dakota screaming, the kid looking all rebellious, and then Godzilla's foot stomping them. Carry on with the rest of the movie with Tommy boy running for his life. Exclude the basement scene completely now.
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Indiana Jones and the Flames on Prime by finky089	Jan 3rd, 2007 11:27:36 AM
Still looks lame. I mean, it's NOT "Transformers", they just used the name to tap into the nostalgia. Calling it a "bait and switch" would be to corgial. FU Bay!
On Armageddon and War Of The Worlds, &c. by Dollar Bird	Jan 3rd, 2007 11:37:42 AM
So, the clincher is that those two guys compared this movie to 2 of their own—ones that I have mixed feelings about. Okay, I have no mixed feelings about Armageddon. That movie had so many cuts and camera jumps that I surprised it didn't cause epileptic fits. Not to mention it so was sooo heavy-handed. Now War of the Worlds, I liked up until Tom Cruise and his daughter got caught by the tripod and he was sucked into the sphincter w/ hand grenades. The move was all great scenes with lots of tension (I even didn't mind the basement scene) and then they had to make it an action movie with the dad being some big hero instead of a survivor (which was more compelling). So, we have 2 movies—a horrible, ham-fisted editing nightmare, and a movie that dropped the ball in the last 1/2 hour—and this is what Transformers is going to be like. All glitz and no substance. Not that I wanted this movie to be Citizen Kane or Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, but it would have been nice if Transformers had something more than "Did you see those burning, tanks flying?!!". And I swear if this movie features Earth-gadgets turning into little robots with Megatron's magic MacGuffin, I'll puke.
That trailer by INWOsuxRED	Jan 3rd, 2007 11:46:55 AM
is like every South Park episode that mocks big budget blow hard movies. A penis train falls from the sky. Scenes of TV news explaining to us what we just saw, war room scenes where they explain to us what we just saw and then had explained to us by the news program. Then the cardboard cut-out characters will explain everything again. Then some long and drawn out scenes of soldiers getting ready and everything being all tense. Then someone will outrun a car or out jump a fire ball. The best things about Transformers were the designs, but only some of them (like Prime, Soundwave/Ravage, Devestator, etc), the distinguishable personalities of the robots and the internal conflict amongst the bad guys. Everything I've seen and heard suggests all of those things have been removed and replaced with things that are less good.
"We teamed up for the first time..." by DocBosch	Jan 3rd, 2007 12:15:43 PM
What do you call The Island?
answer: by just pillow talk	Jan 3rd, 2007 12:27:23 PM
not good.
MetalWater by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jan 3rd, 2007 12:42:02 PM
Dude, the simple answer would be that they cut these introductions for countries all over the globe. Another simple answer would be that there were no Japanese people in the 80s cartoon. Since there is a French version of this trailer, do you think one of the main characters should be French? Well, MetalWater? I know, how about a French-Jap character!!! I don't know what kind of PC/moral high ground you're trying to claim here but cool it.
YouMetalWater by milak83	Jan 3rd, 2007 12:43:47 PM
You don't need to have Japanese Actors in an American movie in order to promote it to Japan. Titanic didn't, Pirates doesn't, Spiderman doesn't, Batman Begins doesn't, Fantastic Four doesn't. When i watch Asian films, i'm not looking for Americans to be in main roles unless it has to do with us. Transformers the movie takes place in America jack. Not freakin Japan.
Japanese Torture Porn by godoffireinhell	Jan 3rd, 2007 12:49:48 PM
is the best in the world IMO. They are having literally TONS of the stuff, both in comics (manga), animation (anime) and live action movies. I strongly recommend checking out the works of Waita Uziga, Suehiro Maruo and Shintaro Kago for the drawn torture porn stuff. Give the animes BONDAGE GAME and MANIAX a watch, too. Just remember that they are not available outside Japan - for fairly obvious resons!! As for live action Japanese torture porn, most people already masturbated to the awesome GUINEA PIG series of film. But quite soon we will see the US release of Daisuke Yamanouchi's RED ROOM and RED ROOM 2! Don't miss 'em!
what about a Japanese monster? by just pillow talk	Jan 3rd, 2007 01:05:26 PM
like has been mentioned above? Does that count as Japanese representation? I'm not aware of any French monsters (insert joke).
Spielberg is more Michael Bay than Michael Bay by ewokstew	Jan 3rd, 2007 01:19:37 PM
Isn't the older guy suppose to be influencing the younger filmmakers? War of the Worlds had none of the spookiness or suspense that CE3K did. Do I really need to see another friggin' car on fire tumbling through the ' air?
MetalWater gotta bounce? by Zarles	Jan 3rd, 2007 01:39:35 PM
Then I suggest MetalWater bounces into an active volcano.
No metal water by milak83	Jan 3rd, 2007 01:43:41 PM
You're an idiot dreamer Metalwater. Quit crying Transformers wasn't theirs. It was a repackaged idea that spawned from random japanese toy companies and didn't get real big till it hit the U.S. with the TV show and toyline. Transformers were and still are a much larger franchise in America then Japan. They used Japanese Animators(limited animation) because it's cheaper but so does a lot of companies these days. Transformers makes more money in America and has a larger fanbase here. Japanese will go see it with or without japanese actors. Believe me. It better do more then the Animated movie whos boxoffice totals floats around 5 million. So sad.
stoopider IS phartegod [or at least a close relation] by majorbobhooters	Jan 3rd, 2007 01:45:12 PM
Is it me or do they sound like they've been shot from the same cannon?
no Asians in Transformers = Nazi Germany by just pillow talk	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:05:22 PM
I'm amazed on how I missed connecting the dots on that one. Man in Suit in never a snoozefest, but always brilliant film making. fo sho.
MetalWater - KillBill by just pillow talk	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:09:08 PM
would have been much, much, much better if an Asian cast was in it. Instead, we get the pieces of shit that were volumes I and II.
I've tried to look at this from a different.... by Giant Ape Balls	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:17:11 PM
.... point of view. Forget the comics or the crappy but quaint cartoon. If I didn't know anything about Transformers would I be interested in watching this film from the trailer? To be completely honest, I'd wait for the DVD. Perversely, I'm going to buy a ticket just so I can fume and rant about it afterwards. Daft eh?
Damn you Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:17:47 PM
Damn you Michael Bay
BSB - agreed, Tommy should have died by just pillow talk	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:20:27 PM
with the rest of the Samurai. I have to say that its my favorite Tom Cruise movie. I think him living could have been offset by the Emperor chopping off that dude's head off in his throne room.
for all the men by wanna_bannana	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:20:49 PM
~Nyumon sono ichi~ "Desu" is often translated as the b-verb is, am or are. But "desu" really doesn't have any meaning by itself. It is simply attached to nouns to create a sense of politeness or distance in speech. Japanese will use 'desu' with their superiors or people they don't know. Seriously guys, if you are going to try and spell the Japanese language...its "Desu" not "dess" or "des" I can tolerate testosterone driven male flamers, who feel the need to slam each other just to prove who has the bigger "pee pee" but i cannot take people seriously who do not at least spell check before using another language. If you are going to make fun of bay for coming across as an ass in the promo... by repeating his use of the word, at least get it right, then you wont come across as an uncultured ass. Watashi wa nihonjin desu..... i should know how the language works,its insulting. Oh yah, and all this "insinuation" about how Bay and Spielberg are showing no respect to us Japanese as a culture,all because they are not realeasing trailers with any japanese in them, and are not honoring the "creators" is a Load of bullshit.. now you are just "looking" for excuses to bash this film, alot of people come down hard on yackbacker, for speaking his views of the films script and his expectations, but at least he is not using another culture as an excuse to get his "hate on" I personaly think the trailer looks okay, and so do my "japanese" co-workers,brother and sister, and friends. And Mr nice Gaius thank you for showing some honor...some people in the transformers TB's should learn the meaning of the word. I can handle flames, but maybe some consideration and respect to the fact there might be Japanese as well as other cultures in these forums would be nice. And metal, you are an ass, do you live in Japan? come to Tokyo and see how well your debate is recieved, a movie is a movie, and yes we support our countries films very much, but there is alot of excitment here in tokyo around transformers..you are not very well informed and it looks like the only thing you are "good" at is talking out of your ass. Speak for your own culture, do not speak for mine. And if your idea of "economics" is so on the money, how come the whole harry potter series is a phenom over here?....ass.
rephrase by wanna_bannana	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:25:39 PM
Sorry that was not for all the men, there are some very decent ones in here, yack i respect your opinion very much, and bad mr wonka, you make me laugh,as well as quite a few others. I did not want my message to be taken out of context...there are respectful men in here. The ones who are not are the ones who get defensive when confronted with an opinion other then their own.
giant ape balls and other haters, by wcoop893	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:28:34 PM
i am someone who has no past interest or knowledge of transformers at all, and i am incredibly excited for this movie. it is going to be incredible pleasing to my eyes to watch these things fight, and bay is the best one to give us that. i feel the general public audience will proibably be with me on this one, so it might have been a smart movie for them to change things to make it more real and appealing. just my thoughts.
Bumblebee without the face mask! by Shermdawg	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:31:07 PM
Why didn't they use that shot fr the US trailer? I still can't make out whats going on with his mug, or Megatron for that matter, there's way too much detail to focus on, but BB loks a lot better than the hornet lookin' bastard in our verson.
BSB, he also represented these talkbacks and by just pillow talk	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:31:24 PM
their multiple schizophrenic personality disorders.
The Matrix trilogy? by milak83	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:45:48 PM
The Matrix did well because of it's story and breakthrough FX. Not the fact that they had asians. I dunno about you but when i think of Transformers, i don't get a mental image of Robotech, Godzilla, or Guyver. I think about that American 80s show staring American looking characters i used to watch and the toys i used to buy.
Great, ganymede. But Megs still looks like shit by finky089	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:51:27 PM
so, what else is new?
You people don't know what you are talking about by spectrebeeyatch	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:59:49 PM
Claiming American movies need more Japanese people is confusing. So can I say more Chinese films need Americans in it? Also calling Americans in general racist or comparing them to nazi's and then calling people crackers... well you're the racist. Also isn't Tyrese like the main character in this movie and last I checked he isn't white unless he pulled a Michael Jackson since Four Brothers. If you want hate to stop, you need to stop hating first. P.S. Last Samurai rocked the shit. Also Letters from Iwo Jima a movie made by Americans but was in Japanese with an all Japanese cast also rocked the shit. So your crap talk about how Americans don't care just got owned. Go sit down and cry about how Transformers won't be good for you and how the Silver Surfer is too SILVER!
MetalWater by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:59:50 PM
Are you for real? Or is this another seemingly more and more common act of trollism?
boo hoo Metalwater by milak83	Jan 3rd, 2007 02:59:50 PM
You aren't getting it. The movie is done dude. Cry all you want.
MetalWater - so much of a films success now depends on by finky089	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:00:27 PM
its marketing and audience. Per your example, if you take a Japanese made film that is successful and release it quietly without fanfare in the US, of course it's not gonna do shit. Same vice versa. Same for any American Made movie that gets no marketing b/c NO ONE will know about it. But, take something like Crouching Tiger, market it liek crazy and it becomes a "box office success." I'm just saying you can't make such a generalized statement. Peace.
wcoop893... by Giant Ape Balls	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:01:00 PM
I like to consider myself one of the more moderate "haters". They definitely had to change the designs of some of the robots as they'd have looked ridiculous. A VW Beetle tramsforming into a robot would look completely dreadful. Megatron as a gun would't work. I'm not completely satisfied with the new designs but you can't have everything. The thing thats most disappointed is the script which is truly dreadful. Its a completely by the numbers hack job which will not capture anyones imagination except a 5 year olds. Maybe thats who its aimed at but I was hoping for more. I'm sure the action set peices will be great (its what Bay always does well) but I think a modern audience demands more.
Michael Bay vs The Asians by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:02:02 PM
I could never bring myself to watch 'PEARL HARBOR' but i would assume that particular title would have had some asians in it.
Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa .... by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:03:18 PM
Sounds asian, Looks asian. Apparently in Pearl Harbor. So there ya go.
You know... by nonsensical	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:03:31 PM
Ganymede... Bumblebee does look good... in that one posed still image. As in not moving. As in, he's a nice looking fantasy robot that is too busy for movement, but it looks good still. Megatron, still looks like ass. As do the other bots, except for Prime. He too looks fine as long as it doesn't move, but they look fine for robots. Not for Transformers. They don't look like Transformers at all. They look like polished junk bots. They look like reject gobots. They look like freakin' Johnny 5 on crack. I think the best part of the Japanese trailer was seeing the Japanese text for the Transformers. It's very much the same way Takara has done the copy for the last twenty years. Too bad the US doesn't get the same treatment. We changed the Transformers logo so many times there is no real brand to it other than the name. In my humble opinion the Japanese will receive this film far better than the US for one simple reason. Variety. The Japanese have had so many variations on the Transformers line over the past twenty years that they are more accepting of changes to the Transformers. They went well beyond the Rebirth episodes. In fact, they ignored them and went onto Transformers 2010, Masterforce, Victory and Zone. In the interim they have also had Gao Gai Gar and Micronauts. They had Beast Wars and were so impatient that they added Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo. After Beast Machines they brought us Transformers 2000. They have had Armada, Energon, and Cybertron as well as several specials that include Robot Masters and Binal Tech. The Japanese market is so diverse in its many incarnations of the Transformers that this will be accepted with little issue. However, here in the US... we have G1. After that all attempts to keep the Transformers going strong failed until the Beast Wars, and after Beast Machines butchered that we suffered through the chop job for Transformers 2000 and shortly after that the Transformers Armada, Energon, and Cybertron arc did little for the line. Sure, we get most of the toys in one form or another, but we didn't get the video games. They got TF: Generation 0, and Armada, and they will continue to get more because Transformers there survives and changes as much as their culture does year in and year out. Here, that doesn't work. Will this film do better overseas. You bet. Will it be the film to beat next year in the US. Not a chance. Too much competition and a deviation that is just far enough from the source material that fans won't like it. If you think that Transformers will beat out Harry Potter, Shrek, Spiderman, Pirates, (Insert Pixar film here) and even the Fantastic Four, then you really don't understand how well these proven money makers and audience pleasers are going to do. I'm not even a huge fan of Harry Potter and I'd rather see that than suffer through something that the director and producer have come out and said is like Armageddon meets the modern War of the Worlds. For me that means this film will suck since it's not going to have a story with which to stand on.
John Fujioka by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:04:53 PM
Also in Pearl Harbor. Shall I continue?>
Theres even a Precious Chong in the credits by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:06:17 PM
What a name. I think i just found my new xbox live gamertag.
Is it me or is the talkback order fucked up? by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:11:12 PM
Unless BringSexyBack is psychic, (psychotic, yes), then i'd say it is.
Robotech the movie will have plenty of asians by milak83	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:22:09 PM
Just you wait and see Metal. Hey....you still have Rush Hour 3 and that chick that falls in love with Harry Potthead.
MetalWater by Giant Ape Balls	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:25:47 PM
I'd have thought most people would be going to watch the alien robots, not the humans at all. The problem with the film is they don't seem to be in it much.
yackbacker by wanna_bannana	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:26:05 PM
Happy New Year to you as well...allthough i am sorry to inform you i am not a "sir" ;) The Japanese film industry is alittle different from the american, i am currently working for a Tokyo film company, in which me and a partner are trying to bring more japanese films ~based on old manga and anime series~ to American,and North American audiences. But no it is not that common for American filmmakers to cut a "quick" intro and attach it to a trailer for foriegn audiences..allthough on occasion it does happen. In this case i believe the reason Spielberg and Bay did this was to show some respect for the japanese market..this tactic was very diplomatic. They are trying to play on the fact that we japanese like movies with "big special effects" And the truth be told Yack, ~ as much as you might dislike to hear this =P~ armegeddon, and war of the worlds did very well in Japan, wich is why Spielberg mentioned those to movies...very popular here. Which is why "metal" and his cockyass comments were so off, We love disaster films here...and it is not a matter of always taking movies so seriously, ever since Hiroshima, the japanese mindset has always revolved around "bioligical warfare" or "the end of the world" "post apocalyptic" scenarios..look at alot of our anime friend, or manga for that matter...not to mention the fact that alot of our culture has deep american influence, from the punk rock era,to dyed hair,and bubblegum,cowboys,rock n roll,blue jeans..you name it. And this is why metal and his statements are a scapegoat, because our culture devours, anything american...as well as american culture devouring our anime,and martial arts movies,video games,cars, and anything technological in general. After the war our two countries slowly created somewhat of a symbiotic relationship. So i hope that long drawn out explanation brings light to your question. As for your other question..Japanese theater going has been in decline for a number of years. In 1983, ¥186 billion worth of tickets were sold. In 2000, just ¥171 billion worth of tickets were sold. Even worse for the Japanese film industry is that the share of those tickets sold for foreign films has steadily grown, reaching 68% in 2000. So you can see why it is important for as many japanese films to be brought to north american audiences..as for ballpark figures for america, i am not sure of the exact #'s but if i had to guess based on statistics it would be around 8.6 billion just for the last year or two alone. the last was a guess,so do not quote me on that yack.
Out of Bays 5 films. 1 features Asians.. by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:28:25 PM
What more do you want? Are you sniffing glue or paint thinner? Your comments are perhaps the most wildly insane ramblings that i've read on here in a long time; i thought DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY was a bit weird but man... I'd hardly suggest that Japanese actors in a movie that features a historical event INVOLVING japan, are 'token'. Clearly you are looking for something to complain about. Are you Japanese? Are you one of those insane right wing Japanese people i've been reading about in the news? You know, you're right. I'm all for racial equality so how about this? In the future, i would like ALL japanese movies to feature caucasian characters in the lead. Then, i'd like some studio bigwig to remake Malcolm X or the Martin Luther King biography and we can cast Daniel Craig in the title role; give the white guy a chance to see what he can do. You said Asians don't appear in Spielberg and Bays movies. You've been shown otherwise; don't move the goalposts will ya?
Oh yeah... by nonsensical	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:31:32 PM
Happy New Year, YackBacker and everyone else here. You know, people defend this as a coming of age story that's going to be great. I just can't help at wonder how much better a coming of age story would have been if it had been Bumblebee, the young bot coming into his own in a time of war. You think that would have been better than Sam coming into his own while trying to score? I do.
No...But it would be interesting. by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:39:03 PM
I was just making a hypothetical.
How long... by nonsensical	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:43:09 PM
Seriously, how long do you think Bay had to practice to say one word correctly and then his name? Probably a long time.
Also BSB... by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:46:46 PM
I was thinking we might get Denzel to play bond. Whaddya think?
Yeh..thats a good idea. by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:51:50 PM
Let's get Ken in on the role. It'd be fucking cool.
MetalWater - Answer this by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:53:18 PM
How many Akira Kurasowa movies featured Caucasian leads? Hmmm...i bet Bays ratio is better. Can you not find something more important to bitch about hmm>?
Ang Lee directed the Hulk with no Asian lead characters by milak83	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:56:49 PM
What a shame.
There's only one man for Bond by Giant Ape Balls	Jan 3rd, 2007 03:58:11 PM
Tony Cox. We need more African American verticallly challenged people in movies and we need them now. I'l bet Bay hasn't had any ethnic dwarfs in his flicks, the frickin Nazi....
BringingSexyBack... by Giant Ape Balls	Jan 3rd, 2007 04:07:43 PM
And why were both leads male? Its just sexism.
So we're all agreed - The ideal actor for any role by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 04:12:51 PM
Is a vertically challenged, mentally handicapped, mixed race homosexual? There needs to be a studio treaty to ratify this. Anyone?
preferably in a wheelchair too by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 04:16:58 PM
Cos you just know that it'd not be fair for the wheelchair bound moviegoers to feel left out. But what about the Japanese wheelchair bound movie goers? Maybe we should just give all main leads samurai swords from now on.
And maybe a lisp too by Giant Ape Balls	Jan 3rd, 2007 04:21:36 PM
They're funny.
Aboriginals...you don't see enough of them either. by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 04:22:32 PM
Lets have more dijeriedoo action in our blockbusters too.
I cautiously agree with MetalWater by Immortal_Fish	Jan 3rd, 2007 05:32:49 PM
They pioneered the whole giant robot thing. As TF specifically originated in Japan, there really should be some respect paid to them. However, I'm kinda glad they didn't. Take the Bernie Mac character. I'd like to be rawng here, but I'm suspecting he'll either be a younger spin off of Redd Foxx's Sanford character or simply be a flat out racial stereotype. Again, I'm way speculating here, but as I suspect Mac's character will be a stereotype, I doubt it would turn out any different were you to replace him with a Japanese actor. The Japanese tend to be the most insulted by stereotypes than others. It's for the best. BSB, this is your cue to call me a racist, despite how I've clearly outlined that I'm not in favor with any of the above. Note that I suspect Mac's character will be a stereotype, not Tyrese's. Now, MetalWater -- For the Japanese specific export, you're certainly correct that it would be more appealing for them to intercut other actors in Burrlike fashion. However, that costs more money, which would mean less funding for the walking set pieces to beat the snot out of each other. Oh, call them robots if you like, but robots in a robot movie about robots should have more than a collective 12 or so lines in total. TOO HUMAN!!!
where can Empire mag be purchased in the US? by wcoop893	Jan 3rd, 2007 05:51:44 PM
and yes, prime does look different on that cover. im looking for any place to buy the mag, but i think it might be from overseas somewhere? could be way off.
good call with B&N, i didnt even think of that.... by wcoop893	Jan 3rd, 2007 06:07:15 PM
but then again im not the biggest reader there ever was. also, i actually like the clear pic of prime better than the one on empire, on the cover the chest looks weird? but i guess his head is also more G1 like? i wouldnt know, im only a fan of tformers since the movie
Nihongo. by sonic3305	Jan 3rd, 2007 06:31:36 PM
Eru o eru.
another TF TB by the_shogun_gunslinger	Jan 3rd, 2007 06:32:57 PM
lets see if this one can keep go'n...i think the Indy 4 thread is dying...and why is it everywhere i go, stooop the official AICN bitch is there?...i think he wants me
Godfather 3 died at the Box Office because.. by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 3rd, 2007 07:03:38 PM
None of the leads were Japanese. Sorry I couldn't help that. Kurasowa didn't cast caucasians in leading roles because his movies were being made specifically for the Japanese market. Spielberg, while he's a globally recognised producer/director, makes movies for Western audiences so he casts western actors. Yes, they do go to asian audiences BUT, the money is made in the west. Kurasowa is held in high regard outside Japan because his movies, while fairly high brow, are entertaining but, like most Japanese movies, are wildly different in style to western productions. It's just not everyone's cup of tea; much like Anime. Spielberg on the other hand, rarely, puts any kind of deeper meaning into his movies. It's pure entertainment and i'm sorry, you don't need to have a racially balanced cast in order to entertain any creed or colour. To be perfectly honest i can't really garner what you are trying to say because it comes across as meaning one of two things, both as ludicrous as the other. You're either saying that a Japanese character should be included because Transformers originated in Japan or You're saying that a Japanese character should be included because the film will be shown in Japan. In either case, the addition of an asian lead would be utterly pointless. Why don't we cast a chinese guy, a samoan, an idian, a pakistani and a south american indian while we're at it? Let's have a guy from Germany, England, France, Spain, Italy too. Infact, lets have a global cast so we don't leave anyone out. You've already been told, by a Japanse guy no less, that what you're saying is garbage, verging on the offensive.
Bay the bastard son of John Frankenheimer? by Zardoz	Jan 3rd, 2007 07:49:56 PM
That was a rumor floating around a while ago; any truth to it? Because if it is true, the apple didn't just fall far from the tree, it was projectile vomited!
Thanks, ganymede. by Zarles	Jan 3rd, 2007 09:15:01 PM
Great pics. MetalWater, I think you should hold your comments until opening day of this flick, at which time you should start yelling them out loud in the middle of a crowded theater. You'll be arrested, incarcerated, and given the opportunity to spout your ramblings to Vinnie and Bruno in the prison shower while touching your toes. Enjoy.
If an Asian lead would have been casted from the by major_tom_aint_dead	Jan 3rd, 2007 09:57:56 PM
begining, I´m sure some smartass would be yelling "THEY GOT AN ASIAN LEAD SO THEY COULD SELL THE MOVIE IN ASIA, THOSE COMERCIAL FUCKERS HAVE NO INTEGRITY"
Well gany said something prolific by Phategod1	Jan 3rd, 2007 10:31:10 PM
My hats off kid. now all you have to do is drop the Mikey Bay support and you'll be alright its nice to see everyone having fun I mean this isn't really news I think AICN comes up with some crap just so we can hang out. Is it me or does bay look like the lost member of Bon Jovi. I wonder if he feathers his pubes.
I'm watching TPM by Phategod1	Jan 3rd, 2007 11:02:26 PM
don't ask why this movie is Gawdawful I forgot how annoying Jar-Jar and the kid were. Jesus What was Lucas thinking.
I heard he offered the job to by Phategod1	Jan 3rd, 2007 11:24:47 PM
Ron Howard and Spielberg but those rocket scientist thought that he would be best suited for the job. I don't know if this was there honest opinion or if they where blowing smoke up his Midichlorians.
Flames on Indiana Jones is next. by superninja	Jan 3rd, 2007 11:32:58 PM
BSB, that Murphy sumo comment was funny.
TPM is good for the train-wreck factor. by superninja	Jan 3rd, 2007 11:35:06 PM
And MacGregor and Neeson are charismatic. However, the next two films are where it's at, if you like looong naps.
I don't think Jake Lloyd is that annoying. I think by superninja	Jan 3rd, 2007 11:36:54 PM
that script is freakin' horrendous. Just be glad Lucas didn't decide to make Vader a trannie played by Dakota Fanning.
In the script I read, I would say Bernie Mack is by superninja	Jan 3rd, 2007 11:45:16 PM
playing Bernie Mack, but as with most Bay films, the rest of the characters are racial steroetypes or stereotypes period of some kind.
actually in most bay movie by Phategod1	Jan 3rd, 2007 11:53:55 PM
The actors only play themselves See Bruce willis, Will Smith, and Martin Lawrence.
Skip all the Dialouge of all the movies by Phategod1	Jan 3rd, 2007 11:56:08 PM
and skip right to the lightsaber scenes the were the ONLY redeeming quality of any of the movies. That and the YTMND of Darth Vader NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Did anyone else think Darth Maul was style by superninja	Jan 3rd, 2007 11:57:25 PM
over substance? Yup, probably just me. Whenever I see him I think of Toad in X-1.
Oh I forgot by Phategod1	Jan 3rd, 2007 11:59:04 PM
See you next week in the Playoffs Yack.
Understatement by Phategod1	Jan 4th, 2007 12:10:24 AM
Darth maul was the coolest thing in TPM and they did absolutely Nothing with him I wanted To know who he was where he was from At the end of the day I think he was nothing more then a commercial set for someone to buy one of those EU books. This makes a hell of Stunt man that's about it for now But I'd actually like to see if he has what it takes to be a action star. Again I don't know How many people here are gamers But there is a game called Final Fantasy XII I'm in the middle of and I can draw many parallels to episode IV while I have not finished it yet I would reccomend this to anyone looking for something actually good inspired by lucas.
MetalWater... by DocPazuzu	Jan 4th, 2007 12:36:02 AM
...is also the guy who posted his ideas for the Star Wars prequels in the most recent Indy TB. Apparently, all it needed was guys who fuck prostitutes hanging out with the Jedis. "Hard sell" indeed: http://tinyurl.com/yg8ole
The Japanese Title doesn't transform and shit? by Johnno	Jan 4th, 2007 02:15:34 AM
DISCRIMINATION!
sounds like a certain by Phategod1	Jan 4th, 2007 04:38:41 AM
Director I know
at the end of X-2, when the dam breaks.. by just pillow talk	Jan 4th, 2007 07:27:01 AM
I think there wasn't enough metal in the water, which was bullshit. Fuck'n Singer.
it actually brought a tear to my eye...twice! by just pillow talk	Jan 4th, 2007 09:32:47 AM
And apologize for making my heart grow twice its size!
MetalWater, like I said in the previous TB... by DocPazuzu	Jan 4th, 2007 10:32:46 AM
...could you be more of a virgin?
nice Yack... by nonsensical	Jan 4th, 2007 10:45:15 AM
Starscream somehow went from loooking like a chicken in a gas mask to looking like a pirate chicken in a gas mask. I guess they figured he needed an eyepatch to compete with Johnny Depp.
I've learned how the prequels could have been fixed - by just pillow talk	Jan 4th, 2007 10:55:27 AM
When Obi-Wan chased Zammy into the bar, they should have gotten joyously drunk (no angry drunks please), sloppily sang loud and fun songs (oh susanna maybe?), and danced (not dancing with stars type of dancing), while carousing with equally wild and fun loving drunken women (but not too drunk, a la 40 year old virgin).
The prequels could have been fixed if... by Ricky Henderson	Jan 4th, 2007 11:03:37 AM
They had cut out all the awful political nonsense. I don't give a flying fuck about what the galactic senate does. I don't care about watching the crubmling of a democratic state. And Lucas decided to make all that nonsense central to the story. So when you see Jedis fighting, its not a thrilling adventure--they're just political pawns battling for power. Thats what killed off all the swashbuckling fun from the original films. Hooray for trade disputes!
MetalWater by TheAllSeeingEye	Jan 4th, 2007 11:17:52 AM
Quite possibly the creepiest talkbacker in the history of AICN. Seriously, i thought you were joking with us all when Doc pointed out your prostitutes comment but now i can tell you're a nutjob. Can anyone think of a way we can run some kind of pool as to when MetalWater will be arrested as a serial killer?
Doc, To Defend MetalWater... by Ricky Henderson	Jan 4th, 2007 12:09:56 PM
By discussing Star Wars movies on an internet messageboard, we're pretty much confirming that we're all virgins.
Doc, To Defend MetalWater... by Ricky Henderson	Jan 4th, 2007 12:12:10 PM
By discussing Star Wars movies on an internet messageboard, we're pretty much confirming that we're all virgins.
Amen to that Yack by Ricky Henderson	Jan 4th, 2007 12:22:14 PM
The Giants need to just put me out of my misery and lose on Sunday. I've had it with my football team being coached by a guy who perpetually looks like hes about to cry. And Fredo Manning really hasn't panned out well for us, has he?
Ricky by just pillow talk	Jan 4th, 2007 12:27:57 PM
it confirms that we are dorks, not virgins. And Yack, the only way the Giants will win with Eli at the helm is a strong defense. That said, I'm hoping my Jets surprise the Pats once again with our QB that has the unsurpassed arm strenght of a two-year old!!! (3 exclamation points makes it an official strong viewpoint by the way)
Fucking JEFF GARCIA will own the Giants this Sunday by Ricky Henderson	Jan 4th, 2007 12:45:14 PM
How depressing is that as a way to end your season? Losing to a 90 year old QB. Ugh.
Dorks and Virgins unite! by just pillow talk	Jan 4th, 2007 12:45:17 PM
what a freak'n battle cry...
I heard Jeff Garcia will be playing Indy's son.. by just pillow talk	Jan 4th, 2007 12:47:24 PM
he was almost too young though.
Starscream- goddamn that chicken-ape looks like shit by finky089	Jan 4th, 2007 12:55:19 PM
Yack, you just ruined my breakfast! Thanks anyway for the pics.
Hey, maybe the Giants can sign Ronde for '07 by Ricky Henderson	Jan 4th, 2007 12:57:43 PM
Tiki's much less sucessful, talented, or athletically gifted twin brother would be a perfect fit for the Giants next year. Brett "old balls" Farve could play Indy's grandson by the way Pillow.
Pink face Starscream explanation by finky089	Jan 4th, 2007 12:58:52 PM
Obviously he saw himself in a mirror and learned how incredibly shitty he looked. So, it's either him blushing in embarassment or the result of self-loathing body mutilation.
they should probably consider starting by just pillow talk	Jan 4th, 2007 12:59:35 PM
Tiki at QB and go to a wishbone attack.
I took a trip to Michael Bay once, by S-Mart shopper	Jan 4th, 2007 01:50:06 PM
the sands were as white as nose candy and little filipino boys frollocked in the glissening water. I could swear I heard some form of inspirational and patriotic music in the background. And for a split second, everything seemed to move in slow motion, right before the hail of gun fire and heat/shrapnel of the explosions. Before I knew what was going on I was surrounded by porn stars or maybe hookers, demanding $9.75 from me because I was there after 6pm. Reluctantly, I gave up the money. They kicked me in the balls and sent me on my way, DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!
True Pillow Talk, by Ricky Henderson	Jan 4th, 2007 03:24:08 PM
But being roughly 3 feet tall, Tiki can't see over the guy who hikes the ball to him. Kind of a problem. And why the hell does the NFL think I care that he's transitioning to a career as an annoying announcer?
God Bless Archie Manning... by idahomer	Jan 4th, 2007 03:49:02 PM
As a San Diego Charger fan, THANK YOU for telling your son not to sign here. Go Rivers!
I think its Micheal Bays Balls by Phategod1	Jan 4th, 2007 03:59:30 PM
on Starscreams face
Rachet's "face"- what face? by finky089	Jan 4th, 2007 04:10:38 PM
Looks like a juggfuckled gorilla's head with permanent metallic tears streaming out both eyes. Christ, I mean would it have been so hard for the designers to at least give the robots a discernable fucking face?? "I know they're "aliens" and all, but jesus-fucking- christ, these designs blow.
At least Ratchet has hands though. by finky089	Jan 4th, 2007 04:11:57 PM
Unlike a certain fucked-up, chicken-legged jet.
L. RON CRUISE by thebearovingian	Jan 4th, 2007 05:41:43 PM
Thank you, kinghenryVIII. Best comment in the whole TB.
Why does Tiki get more by Phategod1	Jan 4th, 2007 05:54:51 PM
commercials then Ronde and what was there momma thinking with those names.
I can't Find Pan's Labyrinth anywhere by Phategod1	Jan 4th, 2007 06:40:10 PM
I live in one of the largest cities in america And I can not find this movie.
ganymede, I'm just say they could have done better by finky089	Jan 4th, 2007 07:04:27 PM
I'm not saying they should be perfectly symmetrical, just that if the designers wanted to have their robot forms bipedal and symettrical like humans, they could have done a better job of making them look sleek or blocky or whatever the hell people want to see, but what they've come up with for the most part are just sloppy looking. Either push the envelope and come up with something to totally "wow" us or stay a little more faithful to the G1 designs that worked for people before The results with Optimus speak for itself. Where they strayed the least from G1, they have gotten the least negative reactions. Bay says this movie will be like "nothing we've ever seen before". Fine, then why not have your robot designs a little more inline with that idea? The only new ground these desins break are in "ugliness".
just "saying" they could have done better by finky089	Jan 4th, 2007 07:05:26 PM
man, I hate mistyping...
Yacks by Immortal_Fish	Jan 4th, 2007 08:26:56 PM
Thanks for the tips. I appreciate the insight, but I've read and heard before now. Thanks all the same. As other's have written, and I agree, Mac will likely pull a Nicholson, meaning Mac will play "Mac" himself. Not a surprise by any stretch. This only serves the point I tried to make in my previous post. Yes, Mac's will be a racial identification role, as replayed way too many times throughout Hollowood history. It is tired, overdone, and boring. But for some reason, it sells tickets, which is why it will be done. All said, I have to admire MW's tenacity, given how he posted in liberal infested waters how a certain racial demographic should be represented under certain criteria -- meanwhile being silmultaneously blasted in TB for doing so by such self proclaimed "progressives" themselves. I find this rather interesting. However, MW kind lost me with the whole SW prostitution bit.
Random Japan Fact by S-Mart shopper	Jan 4th, 2007 08:46:17 PM
Japanese culture and mythology have kept secret, for centuries, that their people have long been mortal enemies of the ever elusive duckbilled platipus.
...hmmm by Westonian	Jan 4th, 2007 09:53:06 PM
Metalworker: "5 films out of 1, that Bay has directed??? What a damn joke!!! And how about the films Bay has produced??? Where are the Asian actors in those films??? Nowhere!!!...Hello???"........ .............................. .............................. .............................. ............well thats the dumbest thing I've ever read. Congradulations.
Oh...and.. by Westonian	Jan 4th, 2007 10:04:42 PM
I'd like to take this time to announce my upcoming film. It will star approximately 1 person from each of the worlds 193 countries. Each of them will be a member of a different religion and will speak a different language. Half will be men..and half will be women. Sexual preferences will also be greatly varied.
that megatron is more horrid by Phategod1	Jan 5th, 2007 12:32:39 AM
then picfrom last year but I know it a mini.
Westonian you neglected by just pillow talk	Jan 5th, 2007 12:14:31 PM
the little people..what about them? Verne Troyer must be in said movie. To cut costs though, Verne will also represent the female little person.
Thanks for all the scans last night, Yack. by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 12:22:12 PM
The cleavage looks great.
damn, just went back to look again by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 12:28:51 PM
and they're gone. Bastages!!
Champ is the best by Phategod1	Jan 5th, 2007 12:51:54 PM
morbid as this sounds when I heard a Denver bronco cornerback had been shot to death I said it better no be Champ.
very morbid indeed by just pillow talk	Jan 5th, 2007 01:04:20 PM
I heard that Champ will be a two-way player next year, starting at QB as well. I'm sure Denver nation hoped that it was their quarterback(s) that got shot instead.
Damn, we're about to fall off the list! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:15:14 PM

Must keep on the Top Ten! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:15:34 PM

Or is this reall the end? by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:15:54 PM

Must overcome Lynch TB by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:16:18 PM
please
Why am I doing this instead of working??? by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:16:47 PM

B/c work is no where near as amusing? by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:17:14 PM
possibly
only 8 more to beat Lynch by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:17:42 PM
then just need som e float room
TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:18:13 PM
TINO!!
This is for you Bay: TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:18:37 PM
TINO!!
This is for you Murphy: TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:19:05 PM
TINO!!
This is for you Spielberg: TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:19:30 PM
TINO!!
This is for you Di Bonaventura: TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:19:57 PM
TINO!! TINO!!
This is for you La Beouff: TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:20:36 PM
TINO!! TINO!! TINO!!
This is for you De Santo: TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:21:00 PM
TINO!! TINO!! TINO!!
This is for you shitty new Megatron: TINO!! TINO!! TINO by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:21:30 PM
TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!!
This is for you again Bay: TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:21:58 PM
TINO!!
This is for you Peter Cullen: I'm sorry by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:23:26 PM
you are associated with this mockery of a great 80's piece of nostalgia. PLease try to convince the producers to bring in Frank Welker to voice Megatron.
This is for you, Dr. Jones: TOO OLD!!!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:24:00 PM

7 more...here goes! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:42:03 PM

This is for you Emma Frost: TOO HOT!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:42:32 PM
TOO HOT!
This is for you, Chris Latta: COME BACK FROM THE DEAD by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:43:05 PM
We need you to voice Starscream!
This is for you Pan's Labyrinth: KICK ASS!!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:44:53 PM
KICK ASS!! KICK ASS!!!
This is for you Megan Fox: MORE CLEAVAGE! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:45:30 PM

This is for you Tingler remake: You're Going Down! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:46:12 PM
All the way to Chinatown!!
This is for you again Bay: TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:47:04 PM
TINO!!
This is for you Shermdawg: Where the hell are you??? by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:47:42 PM
Huh??????
This is for you Destro: COBRA!!!!!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:48:08 PM

Thisis for you DonMurphy.net: F You! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:48:43 PM
TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!! TINO!!
This is for you Nemesis Enforcer: Cobra-La-La-La-La-La! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:49:45 PM
La!La!La!La!La!La!La!La!La!La! La!La!La!La!La!La!La!La!La!La! La!La!
This is for you, Aquaf@g: HAIL AQUA!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:50:52 PM
And now a moment of silence
And I thought Yacks ressurection stunt was funny by S-Mart shopper	Jan 5th, 2007 05:53:08 PM
way to go Finky
This is for you Frank Miller's 300: KICK ASS!!!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:54:03 PM
'cuz it looks like it will
This is for you Tom Cruise: Go Jump On A Couch! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:54:59 PM
short guy
Thanks, S mart shopper. by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:55:20 PM
It shows how out of my mind I must be here at the end of the work week, huh?
This is for you finky089: GET BACK TO WORK! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:55:28 PM
sheesh, okay already!
can't believe this TB never broke 500 by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 05:56:09 PM
what's AICN coming too?
And Finky089 Yelled "Mockery!" by S-Mart shopper	Jan 5th, 2007 05:57:21 PM

I can't believe a Murphy stooge never showed up by S-Mart shopper	Jan 5th, 2007 06:03:40 PM

Well, HELLO Emma Frost! by S-Mart shopper	Jan 5th, 2007 06:05:59 PM

No Murphy stooges- seriously, I'm shocked too by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:07:26 PM

Maybe that's why so short- no venomous battles by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:08:16 PM
between AICNers and DM's eunochs.
This is for you New Adventures of He-Man: What the Fuck by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:09:31 PM
What's with the spandex pants? And why does Skeletor look like a hag?
This is for you Shottas: LIKE YOUVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:10:16 PM
...or so the banner ad says.
This is for you Golden Compass Batch Two: DOWN! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:11:06 PM
Get down there! Make way for the TF Talkback.
What the hell, only a few more to reach #4 by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:11:40 PM
I'm a poet and didn't freakin know it
This is for you Tie Fighter guy: You're a Collectible.. by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:12:53 PM
...DOLL!!!
This is for you T2 Endoskeleton: LIFE SIZE BUST!! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:13:33 PM
Too bad it's not Megan Fox...
This is for you A. Thomas Schomberg: CELEBRATE ROCKY! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:14:33 PM
with a mini-statue. Yeah?
Damn, who keeps posting in Rob Zombie TB? by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:14:58 PM

Must beat Zombie TB by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:15:37 PM
....the power of christ compels me. The Power of Christ compels me.
This is for you Faramir: FIGHT THE POWERS OF SAURON by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:17:37 PM
See you in Gondor!!
This is for you Owen Wilson: TAKE A BREAK FORM MOVIES by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:18:18 PM
you've worn out your comedy welcome.
This if for you TF Talkback: WELCOME TO #4 by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:18:58 PM
is it all that and more?
I think it's time for a break. See you guys Monday by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:19:51 PM
This TB won't be on the list, but we'll remember these past few days fondly.
Educated Horses rocked by S-Mart shopper	Jan 5th, 2007 06:20:13 PM

For You Yack: Resurrect this one next week! by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:20:37 PM
cheers, mates.
I think people are suffering from TF TB burnout. by S-Mart shopper	Jan 5th, 2007 06:22:23 PM

Later Finky, good job! by S-Mart shopper	Jan 5th, 2007 06:24:17 PM

Thanks S mart. You too. Have a good one by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:24:55 PM

Must be. It's just you and me now and we know geeks by finky089	Jan 5th, 2007 06:26:12 PM
have nothing to do on Friday nights. So they must be burned out on TF.
350, I quit! by S-Mart shopper	Jan 5th, 2007 06:34:52 PM

Cheers, finky! by Immortal_Fish	Jan 5th, 2007 07:19:59 PM
Remins me of the time when GibsonUSA and I dueled with FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = (insert sillyness here) posts on another TF TB. Must admit I was bested in both quantity as well as quality.
i hope they dont make anymore of these by Phategod1	Jan 5th, 2007 09:03:25 PM
somethings are not made to be movies and this is one.
Besides Frenzy gets killed by Phategod1	Jan 5th, 2007 09:08:41 PM
by the future Mrs. Hooker Austin Green or whoever she's engaged to.
Die Hard 4 by Phategod1	Jan 5th, 2007 10:30:24 PM
I hear that it not coming ot the same day as listed
I really dont want to see it by Phategod1	Jan 5th, 2007 11:15:15 PM
but I would be great that if this movie could take potential revenue from this abomination, plus it would great for bait and switch plan to sneak in.
I = it by Phategod1	Jan 5th, 2007 11:16:38 PM
and remove "that" EDITS.
wow theres a Asajj Ventress by Phategod1	Jan 5th, 2007 11:27:37 PM
figure, from one of the few great things to from that sodding prequel.
For once Yack... by wanna_bannana	Jan 5th, 2007 11:44:56 PM
Your opinion on the TF designs was warranted and not just a "manish" fanboy complaint ~and i mean that in fond way~ you just need some female perspective to keep you in check once in awhile =P The Starscream design,is horrible ... when i saw the pictures, i thought " somethings off" and at first thought it was the upper body, but then i realized that the design, if you really look at it yack, resembles a bird, like someone else in the TB said "looks like a chicken" now...even though i still reserve final judgement for my advanced screening in may, and have had next to no problems with the designs and trailer.. i do have a problem with the whole "wait..he is a jet,he can fly,he should resemble a bird" ~notably the small legs,birdlike feet and large upper body~ way of thinking. It reminds me of something Yasuhiro Nightow, had said to me awhile back when i had suggested for him to let me come up with a strong presentation, to take to paramount to turn his animated series Trigun into a live action movie,~seeing as the series had ended~ he said to me " when someone touches a baby chick that has fell from its nest, and tries to put it back...the mother abandons it, because she feels it is no longer hers" So i actually do understand your dismay over these movies yack,even if i do not fully agree. You grew up with these characters, they bring warm feelings,and you have a fond attachment...and the studios,bay,spielberg, among other hands have got ahold of it and it no longer feels familar. So for the record, i agree with you for alot of it, but i do also think you take alot of it way to personal... and serious, leave the ulcers for the film industry =P For what its worth, not everyone in here thinks your a pure hater, i have seen you flame on, but have a fair bit of respect for your intelligence, knowledge of film, and debates. Oban desu
STOP!! by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 12:40:27 AM
ITS HAMMATIME!....oh wow ,another guy who carries around an online~handle, to make him feel better about his penis size....how cute! =P Not to mention the mature start to your post, wait i forgot your...a man which means you tend to lack originality and spew things out that are only make "you" laugh...For what its worth i smiled at your comment, really i did =) In all serious, i dont believe i have ever called anyone in here a hater...if i am wrong feel free to correct me =P And i realize that it is genuine anger and disdain for the change of familar characters...now if you would please direct your gaze to my post above you will notice that i had stated to yack that i understood why some people would not be happy with it =) so to repeat myself...i see where some of you are coming from...there ,feel better? if you were upset because i was giving yack attention i am truly sorry...he's all yours =P~.
wrong again gany by Phategod1	Jan 6th, 2007 02:17:10 AM
your opinion of the first movie is our own personally I enjoyed every bit of that movie cept the end I really expected prime to come back at some point but I loved the introductions "some" of the new characters. as far as G1 if it was truly dead then explain the popularity of the masterpiece collection. And of all Transformer Cartoons Beast wars/Beast Machines was the best written. everything after that was crap and If Spielberg himself had said he was making a movie on Transformers and did not actual say "G1" which he did I wouldn't give two shits cause then I would know what they where aiming for more :Robots in disguise, energon crap. But he did say he was basing this on G1, He lied that dreadful script those piss poor designs all prove he lied. I just wonder how you'll react when Paul W.S. Anderson is directing your precious Macross movie with a 80 million dollar budget. and the Veritechs wind up looking like a cross between Johny 5's and Harrier jets.
remember the scrpit by Phategod1	Jan 6th, 2007 03:27:21 AM
Optimus on top of everest theres the "Hero shot".
Gany by Shaw	Jan 6th, 2007 10:32:07 AM
yeah but the junkions were cool
Going to see Children today, can't wait. by S-Mart shopper	Jan 6th, 2007 12:16:02 PM
Hope it's as good as I've heard.
Curiosity by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 02:27:12 PM
Does anyone on here have photos? Just curious, would be nice to be able to put some faces to the TB. If anyone has a myspace account, they can go check my profile, and feel free to add me to their friends list...mind you not "anyone" will be approved, there are certain people in here i would not wish to add to my friends list. http://profile.myspace.com/ind ex.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewpro file&friendid=1000374229
Or by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 02:29:36 PM
look up makiko
=) by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 02:34:00 PM
http://profile.myspace.com/ind ex.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewpro file&friendid=1000374229
colon by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 02:40:36 PM
you henry gibson?
You remind me of.. by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 02:48:28 PM
I would'nt worry about it to much, with a name like "my colon sucks" i am sure not to many people are going to take you to seriously =P allthough i must admit it is far better then making up a handle that involves your "penis size" =) ...boys will be boys!
It could be worse by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 02:52:25 PM
I just realized i will probably have a few "anon" AICNers" sending random messages,hoping that i will live up to some japanese stereotype. Pity really ,because those things come best from me when i am not expected to perform =P giggles like japanese school girl with bad english dub
Linda Ronstadt!! by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 03:10:59 PM
I adore linda! way better then the beatles...sorry, ringo ruined them for me =P
thanks for clearing up that... by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 03:14:11 PM
Lucas was a serial rapist..i never knew that, oh wait yes i did, i forgot he managed to rape the star wars universe when he made PM
Megatron's Gotta Eat by rosasaks	Jan 6th, 2007 03:20:57 PM
Energon Cubes.
Indiana Jones and the Bridge to Cybertron by rosasaks	Jan 6th, 2007 03:24:17 PM

The entirety of TPM could have been summed up by Yack Backer	Jan 6th, 2007 04:10:44 PM
in five lines of dialogue, there was no need to make that movie. Darth Maul could have been used better, that's for certain. How cool would it have been to have a two-on-one with Maul and Jango taking on Obi Wan? And Qui Gon was totally extraneous. THey should have aged Obi Wan a little (by about ten years) from the start. But whatever my nitpicks, they should have had a real screenwriter come in and polish the shit out of those monstrosities Lucas slapped together. No, TPM is not the worst movie ever, but it sure feels like it was...
Liam Neeson should have played by MrJJonz	Jan 6th, 2007 04:19:47 PM
Obi Wan. I just felt Mcgregor was wrong for the role. Neeson and Guinness carried themselves very similarly as Jedis
Star wars by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 04:45:08 PM
The only one i semi enjoyed was ROTS...which i am sure most do out of the prequels, allthough the one complaint i hear alot is the whole "frankenvader" bit,at the end of the movie, in which my arguement has always been " he had his F*&%n legs cut off, and lucas said to hayden for inspiration" okay...so you had your legs cut off, and were badly burned..and it hurts....really,really bad, you follow? oka good, now dont forget it hurts and ou are just learning to walk again,like you never have before...feel vaders pain..become vader..and if you do a good job of that,not only will you get to have no real career after this, but i will remove the old dude that played vader at the end of ROTJ and you will get to hang with the likes of Sir Alec and Yoda instead!...hows that sound?....and....ACTION!!" thats about the depth of his directorial skills. And i do not believe Jake Loyd ruined TPM, lucas did a pretty good job of that when he decided to helm it...and let his kids come up with characters in the movie.
I've said this in another TB but I'll say it again by Yack Backer	Jan 6th, 2007 04:50:13 PM
Luke Skywalker is the real hero of the Star Wars series. Going back and doing the prequels as a way to fill in backstory was wrongheaded in retrospect. They could have definitely benefited from better scripts (and a pulse for fun), but perhaps the whole concept was flawed.
Star wars ~and~Eragon by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 05:13:02 PM
Okay...so i just recently saw Eragon,~not in theatres thank goodness~ and alot of reviews on this site had mentioned how it felt like a complete rip off of star wars...and i personally think that certain reviewers on this site, talk out of their hind quarters far to often...it felt nothing like star wars, and may have had the same "good guy takes on empire with help from rebels"thing going on...but in no way did star wars come to mind. While watching it i swear i could feel my ovaries curdle, and that the chances of me ever bearing children would be slim afterwards...but that does not mean it had much in common with "A New Hope" aside from what i mentioned above...but i can name a ton of movies that rip off alot of themes in star wars...such is the movie business, and there are far more then people probably even realize. So do not be decieved by the man! the movie is bad yes, Rachel Weis as the voice of Saphira was awkward, and reminded me of "mia farrow" as the voice of the unicorn in peter. S. Beagles "the last unicorn" but it was by no means a "horrible movie" Dungeons and Dragons was horrible....this was more like having to read a review by he who was "Boll Slapped" it sucks and you cannot fully understand why... but you can live with it.
Hey wanna_bannana, have you seen Children of Men? by Yack Backer	Jan 6th, 2007 05:19:27 PM
Great movie. It knocks other dystopic movies on its ass. V for Vendetta pales in comparison. And the direction was unreal.
children of men by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 05:25:18 PM
it is one of my new favorites....as well as pans labrynth, and i must admit i have never been a big "del toro" or "cauron" fangirl..i knew Alfonso had it in him, but Del Toro's movies have always just been bug hunt movies, with flashy gizmo's...never appealed to me, but "Pan" set the bar alittle higher. Have you ever seen "Battle Royale" yack? If not i reccomend seeing it.
V-for Vendetta by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 05:33:22 PM
the comics/graphic novel, was great but i did not care for the movie. Graphic novels made into movies have not done it for me either, i mean Sin city was a "good" comic and movie, but i never understood what the big deal about frank millers work was, yes i absoloutly believe he is a great artist and that Sin city had some amazing artwork, but the only thing he has done that i truly have been entranced by that he did, was "Batman :year one" the rest has been ..so,so...just my opinion. At least the Sin city adaptation was very close to source material..not the same can be said about "LXG movie" the comic was fantastic,but the movie chewed, i love Alan Moore, and nothing beats the part in the comic where the invisible man gets his hiney brutalized by Hyde...Yah i know not very girlie of me to say...but meh, i have my moments i guess. scratches crotch and spits
Battle Royale and Frank Miller by MrJJonz	Jan 6th, 2007 05:37:57 PM
Wanna - you read the book for Battle Royale . . it is fantastic. I really like the film but the book (as books can) adds all sorts of character expansions. Frank Millers Dark Knight Returns for is also wonderful. As good as Year One for me (and why the hell can't they make a Batman: Year One film). But Mr Miller can be very hit and miss - just take the Batman vs Spawn book. Bloody awful
MrJJonz by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 06:06:59 PM
Yes i have read the book for Battle Royale! And i forgot about "Dark Knight reurns" and i had to stifle an out loud laugh, when you said " Batman VS Spawn" I completely bi-passed that one, and probably for the better. Do you like manga? because i can reccomend some good ones, i am very biased when it comes to manga though especially the "Trigun" series, and almost always reccomend it, because the creator and his wife are friends of mine, and i have been working for a year to get a live action movie brought to the big screen. But i would seriously reccomend anything by Yasihuro Nightow, or of course anything by Osamu Tezuka who most know created "Tetsuwan-Atom" who everyone knows as "Astro boy" There is alot of beautiful manga out there.
I believe that.. by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 06:13:14 PM
every once in awhile this TB tends to have someone annoying pop in... always talking garbage,and never having anything intelligent to add to the conversation. I know all to well that type of guy, the kind who spends so many lonely nights wishing he had a vagina so that he could stop having to beg women to feel them up.
Never really tried the books by MrJJonz	Jan 6th, 2007 06:14:09 PM
but seen a few films which I quite enjoy like Perfect Blue and Ichi. But I do have a book token demanding to be spent so I may check some out. Oh and Batman vs Spawn is as ridiculous as it sounds. If you can read it for free do it just to see how bad Miller can be. Otherwise do not bother . . they should put a health warning on stuff as bad as that
TomBodet by MrJJonz	Jan 6th, 2007 06:17:21 PM
That was actually quite an enjoyable viewing experience. I hope Mr Bay gives me that much pleasure
America Fuck yeah by Phategod1	Jan 6th, 2007 07:35:13 PM
Batman fought Spawn If batman wins then its dumb and I dont want to know My girlfriend was watching TPM and since I did the same thing there is nothing I can say. Not looking for a flame war but Jake Loyd id the most annoying kid in a movie since the little boy from Cujo.
HEY GUYS!!! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jan 6th, 2007 07:37:28 PM
Anybody want to watch Don Murphy squirm? Check it: http://tinyurl.com/yfoxxc
what wrong with Youtube by Phategod1	Jan 6th, 2007 08:00:49 PM
mine keeps stopping and it takes forever to load.
this is who I've been battling by Phategod1	Jan 6th, 2007 08:29:11 PM
I'm only 3 minutes in and I already think Murphy has at least three accounts here. now after three minutes My fear is the same as the guy who asked the 1st question the problem I have with what Murphy said is I don't give two POS's about what America did the day the Transformers appeared I don't care the only thing I care about is what IronHide felt How Jazz discovered Breakdance (since this has been modernized He'll probably crump dance or whatever the hell they call it) so let see how much more of this I can see.
I almost Feel sorry for him by Phategod1	Jan 6th, 2007 08:58:13 PM
this thing is loading slower than afghani porn. But Im up to minute 7:45 And I'm not saying he's lieing but the tell tale sign is when he said Micheal Bay is making it his own.
sorry Phate...... by wanna_bannana	Jan 6th, 2007 09:33:33 PM
but the most annoying movie kid hands down goes to Brendan Frasiers brat from The Mummy Returns.
COWBOYS LOSE by Phategod1	Jan 6th, 2007 10:05:19 PM
thank you God.
Indiana Jones and the Saturday Evening Schmooze! by Ricky Henderson	Jan 6th, 2007 10:06:54 PM
what the hell happened to my Indy talkback? :(
CUNT ON BUMBLEBEE = MURPHY AND A MICROPHONE by Optimus Murphy	Jan 6th, 2007 11:16:17 PM
Fuck, its worse than reading him talk out of his ass. GOOD ONE, DON!!!! It's good to know the humans already work in this film. Whew, now I can sleep easy, cause that was my main concern. Oh wait, the humans don't work in any Michael Bay film...shit. "We're not making changes to that extent [organic web shooters] in the mythology." GOOD ONE DON!!!!
Don Murphy by wanna_bannana	Jan 7th, 2007 12:28:04 AM
After seeing him write countless negative remarks on his site~ and this one~ about tranformers fans,who have expressed their fears on the coming movie. I could not help but be curiously drawn to the video link of him at the transformerscon...and well..Wow...what a weasel. But one thing people need to understand though.. is he is a producer...that should say it all, he has little say and producers are usually gophers for higher ups, in other words he kisses alot of ass, and takes most of the heat, you think Bay or Spielberg would have been so shifty or nervous up there? probably not ,because one, they send people like Don Murphy to handle all the questions and take flack, even though fans would be less likely to lip off spielberg, then someone like Don Murphy, because of the fact he is allready so disliked, from making blatent rude statements about transformers fans opinions meaning jack..i would be seriously suprised if this guy was not taking heat from studio heads or his partner for being such an ass...fans are where the money comes from, and like the one guy said if the movie sucks then no one is going to be seeing it more then once. I personally do not know Murphy ,but he is definatly a spineless ass if he has to hide behind a computer screen in order to talk big...he seemed to have none of his game at the convention, dont think he would have lasted long if he talked the way he did on his boards or in here. MEN!
Oh yah by wanna_bannana	Jan 7th, 2007 12:33:10 AM
Am i the only woman in here? I am starting to think so.
Hey yack by wanna_bannana	Jan 7th, 2007 12:38:00 AM
Not to bad, trying to finish some work...hey would you happen to know a good site i could download a movie, i found one the other day but the quality was piss poor
BSB in a dress =flames on Optimus? by wanna_bannana	Jan 7th, 2007 12:45:25 AM
was there not another woman in here? "lady" whats her name, the one that dresses up like jolie? never see her post anything.. she is the one that gave a hollow review of 300.. i like men to, but some women really need to get over this " men in loin cloths come carry me away" I am sure Fabio still has a following though gags
watch your lip! by wanna_bannana	Jan 7th, 2007 12:51:14 AM
Nothing would be better then a better quality bootleg of Eragon....it would be like a big batch of mint chocolate chip ice cream when you are sad, or watching a star trek marathon,or episode after episode of zena or the immortal with Lorenzo Lamas. Or i can even do you one better...it would be like subjecting yourself to all 3 lord of the rings movies back to back.....i believe i did that to my last boyfriend.
Cowards by wanna_bannana	Jan 7th, 2007 12:57:36 AM
Ammunition? what ammunition? threats of ass rape, hearing about Don Murphy getting "Owned" and listening to you whine on about how the script sucks is the only thing i have had to put up with =P not to mention the countless "MIKE BAYS GOTTA EAT!!" or "dam you mike bay!!" You guys spend so much time trying to flaunt your weiners at one another crying "look...look...mines bigger!" that the women have probably let themselves be known...you just were not paying attention =)
Geek Gene by wanna_bannana	Jan 7th, 2007 01:18:42 AM
Hey.. its not genetic, its manufactured..when you go to college and film school, there is no greater comfort then spending your down days eating popcorn,bonkers candy,subway and watching re-runs of astro boy and invader zim and digging into your old batch of archie comics..and any true blood archie fan knows that reading an archie comic is accompanied by eating ~PB and J sandwhiches and a coke for me~ I own the complete first and second season dvd box set of fraggle rock , complete with a re-produced copy of the sketchbook Henson used to come up with ideas for the show, have worn out Labrynth staring at Bowie and his massive package, and i still have my dark crystal, ROTJ bedsheets from when i was 7, or how about space-hunter with peter strauss and molly ringwald? i own two copies of ice pirates ~beta and VHS~ and still have my beta machine,intellivision, and an unwrapped copy of the last starfighter...a true geek has nothing to do with genetics, it has to do with the amount of "bonkers,nerds,fizz,cotton candy,pink popcorn,and nasty little bat/ghost/cat wrapped halloween taffies you consumed as a child. And yack..that all ties in with my opinion of transformers...when you were a kid did you care about the story? or did you care about the flashiness and style of the characters...because i sure as hell did not give a woop about the story i just wanted to hold my bumblebee toy,sit on the floor with a bowl of fruit loops and my cabbage patch doll, and wait for an episode with soundwave " i....am...sound...wave" i am willing to fully reserve judgement..bad script or no, all i need is one little ripple of goosebumps in remembrance of those days...and i am set. I will be first in line giggling with glee ,and fitting every stereotype of a japanese schoolgirl.
dont cry! by wanna_bannana	Jan 7th, 2007 01:47:07 AM
You were one of those kids that cried when something did not go your way no? =P I am sure you have heard the saying "when life hands you lemons ...make lemonade"? everyone has! well shit you crybaby, perk up, sure transformers are iconic, and great fun was had with them, but this is a toyline, a nostalgic look back into our pasts, this is not the future, we are not going to die horrible deatsh if this movie does not meet expectations..there will be many more days after, and each of them will be happy ones. There are other things aside from transformers that are more important, family,friends,good sex,sushi, and sake...of course i was speaking for myself on the last few..but you get my point. Debating is fun, but when it comes down to it, they are only toys and fictional characters....i am as nerdy as it gets, but a true nerd should be able to seperate whats important from whats not, and see that underneath it all, comics are beautiful pictures that have been givin life by the artist,anime,and movies along the same line, and the important thing is not the fictional characters...but the people behind bringing them to life. People are getting insulted over this movie,peoples opinions are being dismissed..or told that they are wrong, there are personal attacks on Bay by people who do not know him as an individual..why? all because people are afraid he is going to botch the movie. Alot of what i have seen in this TB is shameless immaturity by some. I see alot of valid arguements...but they are the same ones made,day in and day out, with no real ground being made. What is the point of discussing,and venting if no progress is made, and you are going to be stubborn and rant all because a leaked script and some toy images, leaked photos and a crappy trailer came out. I spent alot of time reading and approving scripts and trust me friend, not all were easy to read, but you can learn to see the potential in them, battle royale literally read like one long bloodsplatter, but the final movie was very thought provoking, and held depth. Moral of the story is, fun is fun...but life goes on with or without transformers.
PS by wanna_bannana	Jan 7th, 2007 01:57:33 AM
what sound does a yak make "yaaaaaaaak...yaaaaaak"okay bad attempt for a cheap laugh on my part lowers head in shame but i am damned tired, and there are always these "visads" in this TB's ,no one is ever truly themselves here, or lets there gaurd down ...so f*&%k it, i am sitting here in spongebob pajamas,wearing matching patrick slippers...and telling "Red Sonya" ~my dog~ to stop licking~my cat~ "mad martigans" ass. Hows that for the real world you dirty nerds!
NO SOUNDWAVE??? by wackybantha	Jan 7th, 2007 03:17:58 AM
I must have my Soundwave and my little cassette tapes transforming into robot men, birds of prey, and panthers, etc.!!!!!!!!!!!!! I suppose I will still go see it but Soundwave will always be in my heart...:( P.S. WHERE THE HELL IS GRIMLOCK???
Could not have said it better Myself by Phategod1	Jan 7th, 2007 04:05:35 AM
I just described a part of my childhood where I was lucky to use my imagination, and therefore have fond memories from the experience. I will encourage my kids to be imaginative and creative too, I think a lot of children are kept busy too much to let that part of their childhood flourish. And that part of my life was over 20 years ago. I've enjoyed plenty of (but never enough of) sushi, sex and sake to bridge the gap to this day, even a little chicken katsu too. No, that's not a metaphor, I really love me some chicken katsu. If you mistook my tone in my previous posts, let me shed new light for you on my perspective. I'm not ranting endlessly about how the world crashing down because of the bastardization of Transformers. Personally, I like to hear other points of view, and I'll share mine to those who are interested in listening. I don't run on the messageboard and yell "Damn you Michael Bay" to the baord at large. I talk to individual TBers. I talk about ideas. And I also want people to know the things I've discovered about this project. I am always conscious of the fact that some don't want to know what happens, so I tag posts "SPOILERS" where appropriate. Listen, part of this silly hobby of being a film geek is being a geek! Let the passion out! Bask in it, and share in the silliness with others who are geeking out the same way. That's the point of these kinds of messageboard-- to vent, to debate, to crack wise and to kill some hours that could have been spent asleep. No universal consensus can ever be reached, especially in a TB. And I disagree, I think a lot of new ground has been made. I've gotten to talk to interesting people like yourself, and hopefully we've all learned how to bring out the best in one another amidst a heated, yet civil discussion of 30-ft robots. Yikes! in other old news did we talk about how bad cybertron looks on the movie site.
Spielberg hits rock bottom by kwisatzhaderach	Jan 7th, 2007 06:33:41 AM
appearing with Michael Bay...doesn't he realise the guy is the death of cinema?
well said jfp2006 by kwisatzhaderach	Jan 7th, 2007 07:01:40 AM
I'll tell you what else, Godfather 3 is like Lawrence of Arabia compared to the shit shovelled onto cinema screens nowadays!
BSB... CUNT ON BUMBLEBEE = STOOGE LOVE by Optimus Murphy	Jan 7th, 2007 07:54:28 AM
I didn't think the stooges would actually spray their manly delights all over the place after hearing Don give them a mention, but life's full of surprises. I dunno, maybe Don was angling for a geek-rape in that video, he's orchestrating geek-orgies on his message boards all the time. (With him as the centerpiece, of course). GOOD ONE, DON!!!!!
personally i can't fucking wait for transformer by BendersShinyAss	Jan 7th, 2007 08:23:35 AM
michael bay makes good looking films. and speilberg know how to tell a good fucking story. spielberg is this mans boss. do you not have faith? the transformers changing look fucking wild. the metal clamging and the detail to these things and their movement - i don't know if you remember the transformer in the cartoon could not look the way they did from the vehicles they were. here they are tetailed. even optimus's head has all sorts of seperation sections. true though.... the truck driving down the highway with it's flames really is A team gay. but I've yet to see it on the big screen. and i suspect something will be said about the robots' Earthly interpretation. at least i fucking hope so other wise this film could be doomed to gay in ways we did not expect. but lets not jump to any conclusions... lets just look forward to it and prey to satan that it is perfect
you want Soundwave?????? by BendersShinyAss	Jan 7th, 2007 08:40:24 AM
the dude was an 18 foot robot and he could turn into a fucking hand held casset player. fuck sound wave in his phony frauduland arse. actually, i fucking loved soundwave. he should thans form into a little transformer - the only one that can fly. hey, a fucking robot bird. im being crazy now. sorry.
have the talkbacks ceased to be frozen, yet? by moondoggy2u	Jan 7th, 2007 08:43:18 AM
If so, then horray!
They got the Japanese Translation Wrong... by DarfurOnTheRocks	Jan 7th, 2007 09:03:45 AM
It should read : Hi, I am Steven Speilberg and this is Michael Bay. Go watch this movie so we can make money...."
BSB if you want to "OWN" him by Phategod1	Jan 7th, 2007 04:09:40 PM
do like his parents and ignore him.
Its funny by Phategod1	Jan 7th, 2007 05:51:45 PM
I dont know if my Computer is acting up but I can see stoopiders posts. I think even my computer is ignoring you.
Hi ho the witch is dead by Phategod1	Jan 7th, 2007 05:53:52 PM
His post have been stricten and that can only mean one thing He's gone baby.
EAGLES WIN by Phategod1	Jan 7th, 2007 06:52:53 PM
WOO that was awesome
BSB by wanna_bannana	Jan 7th, 2007 07:15:12 PM
My goodness there is a woman in here?! where!.....lets flog her!! the very idea that a woman would "grace" these testosterone driven TB's, is an atrocious thought! I mean..the horror! what personal things we have said...yes...that right i own you all! be careful i will send letters out to all of your mommies, saying that you have been up past your bed times to look at porn, and touching yourselves in inapropriate ways. Pssh..please! if you even knew how long i have been coming to these TB's and reading your comments,watching you make asses of yourselves...before i even decided to sign up. laughs with glee i hope you do not feel to violated =( and you BSB....points finger i have my eye on you. I am glad however that you can read, i was becoming concerned =P I mentioned that i had pictures on "myspace" under my name "makiko" and had asked if anyone else had pictures to share, because it would be nice to put faces to the names.
And... by wanna_bannana	Jan 7th, 2007 07:19:42 PM
It is rather nice with stoopider gone, he was like a bad rash,you can live with it,but f*&%k is it annoying.
So, was stooopider... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jan 7th, 2007 07:50:38 PM
...banned or just cut-out of this TB? I still see some posts of his elsewhere. Either way, I knew something was coming. Did I call that shite or what? ;^)
Are you the makiko from VA by Phategod1	Jan 7th, 2007 07:58:29 PM
Yes it is pleasent to be troll free for a few minutes.
Roger that, BSB. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jan 7th, 2007 08:09:32 PM
Kind of strange though. I did a quick check and you can still see his posts here when you open up the TB: http://tinyurl.com/yyjdsm He y stooopider! I told you I was looking forward to this. Can you feel the pwnage?
Salut. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jan 7th, 2007 08:22:40 PM
Yeah, the lurking part is very creepy. The guy must have been adhered to his couch just waiting...and waiting...
CUNT ON BUMBLEBEE = Stooopider by Optimus Murphy	Jan 7th, 2007 09:05:42 PM
Sometimes, one man rocks so hard, he explodes like a old star left only to burn in our memories with a faint guitar solo raging in the background. Man, that kid was a CUNT ON BUMBLEBEE.
It took long enough by Phategod1	Jan 7th, 2007 09:59:03 PM
2 post that lasted for about 3 weeks and I got banned on Gamespot.com yesterday for callingg someone a moron.
BSB by wanna_bannana	Jan 7th, 2007 10:34:45 PM
I am well aware of your past hate on with yack, but am glad to see that you guys have kissed and made up...i am curious how your three way with Sly worked though? did you both ride the "Stalloney baloney"? or did you take turns?...either way ,man love can be sexy....the sexiness all comes down to who was in charge in that situation though...psh ,i bet stallone owned both of your hineys, then kicked my good buddy yack out of bed,for belly aching about the transformers script...and then slapped your ass and said " YO..go downstairs and make me some rigatoni " slaps ass again "you da best" and no Phate i am not Makiko from VA ,i am Makiko from Tokyo. Oh and Colon....we all know you are a slut, but i still appreciate what you have to offer in this TB....even though you sniff Don Murphy's underwear =P
There is no... by wanna_bannana	Jan 7th, 2007 11:04:32 PM
way to private message certain people in here...so i am going out on a limb by leaving my hotmail, so if those certain people would like to add me to their msn list if they have one, my hotmail is "makiko_34@hotmail.com" and i am not going to add just anyone, so state your reasons and tell me who i am talking to right away shakes fist
Salut?! I am NO slut!!! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jan 7th, 2007 11:41:33 PM
I keed. wanna_bannana, are you a member of The Zone? It's AICN's more "proper" messageboard (the link is at the very top of the page). If you are interested, you can contact some of us Zoners/Talkbackers directly there. Oh, BSB and I share a sordid past as well. But it's funny how the behavior of Mr. Murphy and his trolling Stooges brings people together...
yack by wanna_bannana	Jan 8th, 2007 12:42:06 AM
I believe it had to do with who got to be sly's saturday night special =P To be honest i cannot remember exactly, but i think it had something to do with you rubbing him the wrong way...~not literaly~ ...well ...could be, i dont know what you two do when the lights go out. =) but seriously...you rub people the wrong way? "nyuk" i have 'never" seen that
wanna bannana by Phategod1	Jan 8th, 2007 12:48:28 AM
What did you think of the trailer and Bay & Spielbergs Japanese?
Oh and one more Question by Phategod1	Jan 8th, 2007 12:52:22 AM
What is the General Consenus over there about this Transformer movie? Do you care who'se making or just happy that it's being made? Does everyone feel the same. OK maybe that was more then one.
consensus by wanna_bannana	Jan 8th, 2007 01:17:44 AM
is that spielbergs japanese was moderate to okay, and bay's was not so good, the trailer i enjoyed very much " yes yack i did" =P and overall it is getting alot of buzz here, i have heard a few complaints about the designs, but overall there are some pretty stoked people...most of my friends and,co-workers.
i knew 2 girls who frequented these boards once by BendersShinyAss	Jan 8th, 2007 02:02:33 AM
but it was because they were obsessed with the real me and i wouldn't talk to them anymore. i wonder if they still lurk. im pretty sure 1 does. as for the rest of you.... i can't believe how brain rotting you all are. i can't believe i keep coming back. and transformers is gunna be cool. it might be shit, but i think it's gunna be cool.
SirGuy by wanna_bannana	Jan 8th, 2007 10:58:51 AM
The extended version was an uncomfortable experience for me, not just because of pacing, but because i was not able to get into it and fully watch it at the time, due to other things going on. As for Kou, she has not really done any other bad ass roles, but she has done alot of films that have been acclaimed and garnered her tons of awards. She was in a movie called "go" about a korean school boys struggle to live and love in Xenophobic Japan, as well as a horror movie called " Kakashi" there has also been "Kewaishi" "drive" and "Yomigaeri" saying she is a celebrity here in Japan is an understatement. Tarantino originally wanted her for the roll of "Yuki"
Yack, Colon, Wanna, BSB way to keep this thing going by finky089	Jan 8th, 2007 12:01:25 PM
over the weekend. And with Stooopider banned before I got back this morning to even read his posts, I can say it's good to read the geek-comraderie.
Wanna_bannana, so the early Buzz in Tokyo is positive by finky089	Jan 8th, 2007 12:08:29 PM
I have to admit, I've never really read/heard about what kind of popularity G1 Transformers nostalgia enjoys in Japan. I guess I'd assume that the same populationof kids who grew up with them there would feel similarly to the changes Bay and company have made as those of us in America who have a strong attachment to the G1 characters. Outside of of few film/tv/comics websites and seem to have a user base that is heavily geek-based, I'm not sure what the US buzz is on TF. I know what it is at AICN and the other websites, but not so much "Joe Public". I was in the theaters this weekend and when the TF trailer played, it was kinda quiet afterward. A little chatting...and then I heard a muffled "Damn You, Michael Bay" followed by a few random spots of laughter. Mine included.
It appears this TF talkback has reached its end by finky089	Jan 8th, 2007 02:04:15 PM

Adieu! by finky089	Jan 8th, 2007 02:04:19 PM

Sir guy by wanna_bannana	Jan 8th, 2007 02:04:41 PM
I can do better then giving you a list of websites on the subject of "Hikikomori" there is a brilliant author named " Michael Zielenziger" who wrote one of my favorite books on the subject called " Shutting out the sun : How Japan created its own lost generation" its about Kenji an actual Hikikomori, it is some interesting and rather disturbing stuff. hope that helps... what do you mean "comraderie" finky? i cannot stand colon and yack =P actually i adore them both, they just needed alittle womanly touch to keep them in place =) As far as tranformers G1 popularity in japan..its pretty good ,but i tend to hear more people over here lean towards ~believe it or not~ Transformers :Armada not me personally i am a pure G1 fan. But i also went to school in North amercia, and grew up with western culture before moving back to Tokyo. I am not fond of the starscream design that was approved, but i do like Prime, and bumblebee designs, and so do alot of people over here, and there was alot of buzz about the trailer. People need to keep in mind, that one major thing that seperates Our culture from a Western mindset, is that we do not so much dwell on the past as we look to the future...Hence why most of our Anime,manga,and culture, leans towards futuristic scenarios "biological warfare" other dimensions, and alot of Sci-fi. Which is both a good and bad mindset...but most of my friends,co-workers and people i talk to about Transformers are not concerned, about them changing the loved characters designs..in fact alot welcome that leaner, less blocky, more futuristic,wirey look..over the old. ...and instead are concerned wether or not the characters have an inkling of their old personalities. But overall alot of people are excited to see something this visual brought to the screen...lets face it, over here..robots are loved, and there has been a lack of good robot movies....my last favorite personally was robot jocks, but that leaned more towards being a mech movie. Everytime i say "mech" i am reminded of "rifts" god i loved that game!...i mean, psssh, roleplaying is for losers! I think i just ultra nerded myself out in this TB. and since i am on the topic of "roleplaying" i would love to see a live action film trilogy made out of "werewolf the apocalypse" by white wolf....allthough, it might be entirely better to have it made into an Anime movie series. I also have a good movie story for you Finky, i was in New york, at the Premiere for Roland and Toby's "The patriot" starring Mel Gibson..and it came to a part where Heaths character asks Mels " dad...how did you know when you met mom ...that you loved her?" in which Mel replies " well...son, i knew...because when i saw your mother...i could barely breathe" and some guy in the audience yells out " THATS BECAUSE SHE WAS SITTING ON YOUR FACE!" suffice to say it was accompanied by alot of laughter, and the guy being escorted out.
Until next time... by finky089	Jan 8th, 2007 02:04:58 PM

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Are you serious finky by Phategod1	Jan 8th, 2007 02:11:14 PM
I wondered How the trailer was doing in the theaters the first trailer was met with thunderous indifference and chuckles.
Wanna, that's pretty funny by finky089	Jan 8th, 2007 02:12:17 PM
I was just about to sign off this TB for good. In agreement with youon the Prime design being "okay". Bumblebee I can live with, but the rest are a huge departure for a G1 fan to get comfortable with. I'm in agreement with Yackbacker (and others) that if the rest of the film had been handled with more care for the property (better script, better execution of the film's plot) it would make the designs (except maybe the heinous Megatron one) easier to swallow. I could probably get by them if the script that I read from last year hadn't been so terrible. Hence my insistence that this film is "Transformers In Name Only".
Serious, Phate. It was pretty funny & kinda unexpected by finky089	Jan 8th, 2007 02:13:01 PM
since I figured most people wouldn't know the "catchphrase". I explained it to my fiance who isn't a big "Michael Bay movie" fan and she laughed, too. But I was pretty surprised. Must be some AICN readers here in Orange County, Ca.
thats Interesting banana by Phategod1	Jan 8th, 2007 03:37:41 PM
And I'd probably see this movie if I had not been Insulted by one of it producers but I digress I know this thread is dying down but I can guarantee there will be more goodnight folks
Answer From a Bay Hater by Phategod1	Jan 8th, 2007 04:19:43 PM
I didn't jump on the Hate Bandwagon till Bay Called it a "Family movie" or till he referred to it as "A movie about a boy and his first car." Or a Bay and a Drill Sargeant said "This movie will be a great tool in recruiting for the armed service" I cant blame Spielberg they same way I can't blame Bruckhiemer for hiring Bay the Only thing I can do Is wonder why Speilberg decided not to direct it himself. Bay is good at one thing Blowing stuff up the problem is "getting the bot characters right" as Murphy put his actors put up proformances as wooden as those in the ST:prequels. Bay's best performance came from actors just playing roles thay've played Half a Dozen times. As far as acting in this movie you'll likely get a performance around Pearl Harbor, but stuff will blow up nice.
Gany- my take on your question by finky089	Jan 8th, 2007 04:24:33 PM
I have I never been grossly enamored with most of the films Bay has directed, but I don't hate the man himself. I've just never been much impressed with his "big buget action films" (the way they are typically marketed is a huge turn off), but I end up seeing them on HBO or DVD usually thanks to a friend or relative who is watching it. But I treat his movies sort of "live and let live"- I don't feel compelled to see it, but I don't really care if other people want to watch them. My railing against Bay on TF comes not from my general disinterest in his other films as much as my disappointment with the direction the TF movie has taken under his direction. Because I have nostalgic felings for the property (though only its G1 form) the film production does interest me and seeing it evolve in a way that feels disingenous to the property's original incarnation is disappointing. I'm not saying it's "wrong", or even that I'm disappointed solely because the film isn't shaping up to be the kind of production I hoped it to be. Truthfully, whatever I "envisioned" is irrelevant since I'm not involved in producing the film. My disppointment with Bay comes with the way he got fans's hopes up as though he was standing solid with them, then contiues to show how the fans were decieved whenever stuff leaks. I don't think he's doing it maliciously. To be honest, I'm not sure he or Spielberg were ever on the same page os the "fans" as much as they thought they were , or the "fans" thought those two were. I think we assumed so, but then saw the leaked script and images and realized, "holy shit, this isn't what I thought they were doing at all!" It feels like a bait and switch, done originally just to get the fans in their pockets. Not because they make up a majority of the audience, but in hopes of having their help in creating consistent good buzz. As for why not jumping on Spielberg when he announced Bay? For me because even though I haven't really felt Spielberg to be the same director in the last 10+ years as he was prior to that, I still felt that if SS wanted Bay, even if he wasn't my "fantasy pick", then so be it. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Since then, I feel they've both dropped the ball. But, yeah, I think blaming ONLY Bay is just haterism b/c it takes far more than the one man to make a film like this.
And Gany, perhaps I should have summed it up by saying by finky089	Jan 8th, 2007 04:41:14 PM
most of all, I don't want to see Transformers turn out to be just another "Bay Blows'em Up!" movie. I feel it deserves better and based on his track record, Bay is not the ideal candidate to do that.
I think I'm a finally check out this Zone by Phategod1	Jan 8th, 2007 05:17:43 PM
my reason has always been I'm a part of too many forums already but what the hell.
Weak TF threads must DIE! by S-Mart shopper	Jan 8th, 2007 05:59:00 PM
Klaatu Verata Nikto!
Nice S mart. On a separate note, the Zone's okay... by finky089	Jan 8th, 2007 06:23:06 PM
...but I have to say there's a part of me that's just doesn't want to be bothered with yet another login and a separate place to go and BS about films, etc when it can be done in the TBs.
DAMN! It didn't work! by S-Mart shopper	Jan 8th, 2007 06:29:27 PM
You can say this shit but you can't type it!
the Transformer Thread is Hilarious by Phategod1	Jan 8th, 2007 08:03:02 PM
It's funny how Optimistic everyone was even after the leaked script but I said to myself when it gets to the megatron part its going to shit and damn if it didn't It like the optimism turned to Blind rage in one whole day.
Gany, I can see your point on The Island by finky089	Jan 10th, 2007 02:44:11 PM
though I was interested to see it, I still haven't actually gotten to watch that one. Nevertheless, it was a Bay film I felm genuine interest in seeing. Maybe I will eventually... And I realize I'm posting this days later knowing that it may never even be read, but........
that's okay, I haven't seen it either by just pillow talk	Jan 11th, 2007 02:12:21 PM
but it's on my Netflix list. I just can't ignore a movie with Scarlett Johannson.

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