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The Mysterious Greynolds Park Talks NATIONAL TREASURE 2 Plot!!

NT2? by gopher	Dec 19th, 2006 09:46:51 AM
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Sounds Cool... by 4815162342	Dec 19th, 2006 09:48:10 AM
I liked the first. Has anyone heard if there will be a sequel to the similarly themed Sahara? (The one with Matthew Mc-con-o-hay)
At least Cage's hairpiece will be entertaining! by Lance Rock	Dec 19th, 2006 09:49:05 AM
I can't be the only person who thought the first one was a bore?
NT2? NO! Sahara 2? YES! by Squashua	Dec 19th, 2006 10:05:28 AM
No one asked for this sequel, so why did they make it? I'd run to see Sahara 2 if they ever greenlit it.
Am I the only here who loved National Treasure by Lovecraftfan	Dec 19th, 2006 10:06:06 AM
Seriously I don't understand the hate for it around here. It's a whole lot of fun since it doesn't take itself seriously. It like a fun B grade action serial. You guys are way too harsh on it. And its better than Sahara.
Cool! by jimmy_009	Dec 19th, 2006 10:06:06 AM
National Treasure was a pleasant suprise. It trumped The Da Vinci Code and Sahara in pretty much every way, and with almost no violence. Looking forward to the second one.
Wow! by necco	Dec 19th, 2006 10:14:33 AM
That's great news!!!! Who gives a crap?
I loved NT; looking forward to NT2, but... by mhking	Dec 19th, 2006 10:22:13 AM
That one line -- "Gates must kidnap the President of the United States" -- that stretches plausibility to the limit and snaps it.
Uh, yah... by Fawst	Dec 19th, 2006 10:22:54 AM
National Treasure was about a thousand times better than Sahara. There were some good moments in Sahara, but overall, NT was just great fun. Plus it didn't have Penelope Cruz. Ironic that NT is considered better than DaVinci Code since the next Langdon novel apparently deals with the Masons. As for NT2, I am all about it and will absolutely be there on opening night! All my friends loved it as well, so I know they're down. And to the person who said "no one asked for" this, so what? Usually the best presents are the ones you didn't think of. I certainly didn't expect a sequel.
Sahara's plot by funnyhat	Dec 19th, 2006 10:27:40 AM
"Man..we need to find something. OH LOOK! its right there!" the only time i laughed while watching sahara was when they explained what the "Panaman" thing was. "We thought we were in panama" was the best line in the movie. it sucked otherwise. NT was 1000x better than Sahara.
Sahara's plot by funnyhat	Dec 19th, 2006 10:27:54 AM
"Man..we need to find something. OH LOOK! its right there!" the only time i laughed while watching sahara was when they explained what the "Panama" thing was. "We thought we were in panama" was the best line in the movie. it sucked otherwise. NT was 1000x better than Sahara.
Robert Langdon is much cooler..... by JeanLuc Dickhard	Dec 19th, 2006 10:34:20 AM
in my opinion....
Yea the first was fun. by godzillasushi	Dec 19th, 2006 10:38:55 AM
Much better then I expected.
Sahara and National T. both were great waste of times! by kinghenryVIII	Dec 19th, 2006 10:45:20 AM
And I mean that is a good way. I have read all the Dirk Pitt books and each basically followed the same structure. I did like the book Sahara alot. I love it when pitt becomes heartless to the bad guy (like in all the books) at end - like Sahara tying the guy down out in the sun first then he gets the water. But what Matt Mc did, while making it lighter, yes - leaving out major stuff - still made a pretty good movie. I love the books but thought this was not such a bad version. I would love to see a series while him in the lead, even if it has a somewhat lighter tone. I'm actually bummed that no other books are being optioned - Cussler is pissed a the movie and all - but, in no ways is it Raiders of the Lost Ark, but it could be a great franchise. As for national Treasure - I read DiVince when it first came out. Dude, turning the pages of the book was more exciting then watching it in the movies. My girlfriend and I saw it in Georgetown DC one night. We actually had a woman take off her shirt during the flick - titties exposed - sitiing right next to my girlfriend. The lady got up prior to the end - funniest shit ever. Anyway, National Treasure is what DiVinci SHOULD HAVE BEEN! I thought it was fun.
I enjoyed it also by holidill	Dec 19th, 2006 10:47:02 AM
I did not see it in the theater though it did really well in the theater so I was not that surprised when they said they would do a sequel, though not every successful movie needs a sequel. That being said, I watched it on cable in a hotel room in Philadelphia and I enjoyed it very much and will probably see the sequel in the theaters. I think it will do really well with a lot of people seeing it on DVD and not in the theater and enjoying it then seeing the sequel in the theater. It seemed to work for Pirates of the Carribbean. National Treasure was a fun adventure flick.
NT made something like $160 million domestid by DirkD13"	Dec 19th, 2006 10:54:56 AM
So obviously alot of people enjoyed it. I'm all up for a sequel, but will enjoy it as e rental. What did Sahara make domestic? about $70 million? It sure as shit cost alot more than that.
Mmmmm... by PwnedByStallone	Dec 19th, 2006 10:55:18 AM
Diane Kruger. Tasty Teuton. Delicious Deutsch. Amazing Alemanian. I. Love. Her.
National Treasure was better than Sahara by newc0253	Dec 19th, 2006 10:55:27 AM
but i agree both were mindless fun. seriously, i went into National Treasure with the lowest of expectations and had a blast: who knew that a Da Vinci Code ripoff would turn out to be miles better than the actual Da Vinci Code?
Domestid? e? by DirkD13"	Dec 19th, 2006 10:56:38 AM
Must stay off the Red Bull!
KielerKai by PwnedByStallone	Dec 19th, 2006 10:58:07 AM
You want a Speed 3?? Are you fucking insane?! Shut up before you give Hollywood any ideas. (shudder)
National Treasure made $350m worldwide by Rupee88	Dec 19th, 2006 11:13:47 AM
And that is just box office, not counting DVD, etc. So of course they are making a sequel. Sahara made about $120m worldwide, plus DVD so I'm sure it made a nice profit as well.
KielerKai are you kidding me?!?!?!?! by kinghenryVIII	Dec 19th, 2006 11:22:41 AM
Speed 3 - What. The. Fuck. I'd rather has 13 Indiana Jones wanna-be's then that shit. The first Speed sucked. The second was fucking worse then that. And after what they did to Alien vs Predator I certainly HOPE they never make part 3 ..... They'd have a kid friendly Predator holding some Dakota Fannings hand, walking thru the grass and picking flowers in some sort of Frankeinstien type PG flick. Dude - bite your tonge! Shame!
I liked national treasure. by Cotton McKnight	Dec 19th, 2006 11:26:59 AM
Fun movie. Yeah, I'd see a sequel.
Sahara by Bob of the Shire	Dec 19th, 2006 11:35:04 AM
Not sure why it got so much hate, I thought it was a pretty fun, mindless adventure flick.
National Treasure was not a good movie. by jrbarker	Dec 19th, 2006 11:46:36 AM
It was boring.
But will Justin Bartha be back? by Ribbons	Dec 19th, 2006 11:47:59 AM
That's the real question. He was the unsung hero of the first film.
It's hard to root for "heroes" who are greedy theives. by Moa Kaka	Dec 19th, 2006 11:56:57 AM
Anytime a character says, "It's not about the money," you know right away the movie will end with the thieves becoming insanely rich (see "National Treasure" and "Italian Job" remake). Just because the film makers shove it down our throats that the "heroes" don't kill anyone, that doesn't make them any less of greedy thieves who deserve to go to prison. Unless the movie is intentionaly dark (which N.T. aws not), it's hard to root for criminal characters, and therefore hard to enjoy the movie.
National Treasure was a blast... by dr_buggerlugs	Dec 19th, 2006 12:01:06 PM
and it's the kind of blockbuster we don't see enough of...it wasn't violent, it moved fast, didn't take itself too seriously (ala Da Vinci Code), plenty of humour, had a plot and story that was easy to follow and more importantly, fun and it was something the whole family could enjoy. I'd like to see a sequel for sure and fingers crossed, Jon Voight gets more to do this time (hopefully the inclusion of Gates' mother should give him a few funny scenes)...as long as they keep to the same template, it should be a good'un.
two words by aicmb	Dec 19th, 2006 12:13:51 PM
shit. and sandwich.
How can they be thieves... by Ribbons	Dec 19th, 2006 12:13:58 PM
...when they gave all the gold they found at the end of the film to the government? It's hard to not invent reasons to hate movies that aren't loved by geeks and stuff, but if you watched 'National Treasure' voluntarily and expected better, then I'm not quite sure what to say to you.
Someone really enjoyed the first National Treasure? by epitone	Dec 19th, 2006 12:17:42 PM
Wow, I think I owe myself $50. I had no idea such a person existed. Also, how stupid would a government have to be to put all its most scandalous secrets into a single book? That's almost as asinine as dumping billions of dollars a day into a losing effort to save face for a war that never should have... been... oh, right. Okay, I guess it's believable.
"24" meets "DaVinci Code" by AdrianVeidt	Dec 19th, 2006 12:28:30 PM
Bauer Langdon must figure out the secrets of the US gov't while maintaining a strict 28-person body count per hour.
I was really surprised at how many critics hated it by Lovecraftfan	Dec 19th, 2006 12:33:10 PM
I saw this after the reviews and never quite understood the hate.
I can't force myself to care by Lando Griffin	Dec 19th, 2006 12:49:17 PM
I saw this with a bunch of my friends and all of us really could't wait for it to end. Not that it was necessarily bad or anything just boring and long. However if there was some naked Diane Kruger in it I could be persuaded to change my mind.
Nick Cage and a Q&A like Sly by thefutureoffilm	Dec 19th, 2006 12:49:27 PM
That'd be cool. I mean Nick Cage is a big geek too right? He's got all the criteria for being one....owns the first Superman comic, named his son Kal El, married a young asian girl....it seems he's met all goals that geeks/fanboys have
I thought it was pretty freaking entertaning by Itchy	Dec 19th, 2006 12:57:43 PM
The movie is what it is - a kind of mindless, fun adventure flick which involves a simplistic smidge of history and archaeology. Frankly, I was surprised how much I actually liked the movie. It is basically a B-Grade Indiana Jones meets your third graders Social Studies book. But casting a likeable everyman like Cage and an affable hot chick like Kruger simply works. I don't understand how anyone could "hate" this movie. It was well done for what it is, and I'll definately be renting the sequel. I mean, if Harry can rave about Godzilla, this ought to be up for an Academy Award.
nice one by mrbong	Dec 19th, 2006 01:21:36 PM
i always admired the guy who read Da Vinci Code on the first day and totally "americanised" it with the NT script. Da Vinci was a fun book but was always going to be a bad film the moment Ron Howard and Forrest Dump got involved. Sahara was also lighthearted fun. by all means bring on Sahara 2 and NT 2, but i suspect any more Robert Langdon films will be bad. very bad.
Angels and Demons ..... by kinghenryVIII	Dec 19th, 2006 01:30:03 PM
is, I guess, getting made. But after the snore that was the DaVinci movie - not the book - my hopes are bashed. I like A&D better then DaVinci but the oppurtunity was there to make a great "out of time" chase flick and all it had was Hanks pontificating like some idiot savant. Turning the page while reading it was more excitement .... I couldn't wait to keep reading. A&D was a great read also - minus the somewhat utter disbelief of an ending. Maybe they can take a lesson from National Treasure and make a hookey beach read into into a cool B movie flick. lose Howard and bring on Michael Bay as director! Atleast he would make it interesting. 16 cuts per second of Hanks rubbing his chin and doing math.
'National Treasure' wasn't very good... by Ribbons	Dec 19th, 2006 02:14:10 PM
...and in fact I'm not angry that people don't like the movie. I wouldn't choose to watch it again. It's just... it's like this: NT was no worse than movies like 'Hostel' or the Toho Godzillas, yet people on this site have "geekgasms" for that crap but then inexplicably display a measure of discerning taste when it comes to old-fashioned Disney flicks. And why? Because it wasn't pre-approved by Nick Nunziata? But of course, dumb fun is okay when it's sanctioned by a bunch of popular geeks, because then you feel like you're participating in something communal by watching it. The only problem is how many people convince themselves there's actually a difference in quality between what they like and what other people like. "Hey, that Happy Feet sure looks good! What's it about? Penguins or something, right? I don't know, whatever. All I know is that the people who run Ain't-It-Cool-News have gone on record saying they're looking forward to it, therefore it looks good!"
Don Murphy pwns teh suck. by Badger999	Dec 19th, 2006 02:20:09 PM
It is funny because it is true.
National Treasure was ok... by BigTuna	Dec 19th, 2006 02:22:21 PM
At least it was entertaining and not boring like the Da Vinci Code. And Sahara was just terrible. Even the author hated it and is sueing over it now.
Classic TBer posturing by zacdilone	Dec 19th, 2006 02:23:27 PM
I love it when a film is very successful, makes a ton of money, and sells a lot of DVDs...and then some Talkbacker posts something like, "Did anyone actually like this movie?" Pull that celluloid out of your ass people and pay attention to reality.
YES! by Thomas Cromwell	Dec 19th, 2006 02:26:53 PM
I loved National Treasure! Here's to the sequel!
Damn you Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Dec 19th, 2006 02:29:40 PM
Damn you Michael Bay
National Treasure was good times. by superninja	Dec 19th, 2006 02:33:01 PM
Cage was not only tolerable, but actually likeable. Adventurous and over-the-top without taking itself too seriously.
Damn you, Michael Bay!!!!!! by Squashua	Dec 19th, 2006 02:34:39 PM
It's also true.
The worst part... by Fawst	Dec 19th, 2006 02:50:32 PM
of NT was the opening sequence with lil Ben. I kind of cringed over it. But then they did a 180 and completely got me excited with the boat unveiling. Good stuff. Angels & Demons... can't be done by Ron Howard. I actually think that Spielberg in his Munich mode would make a SICK A&D film. Oh well, if not for dreams...
Ms. USA is going to rehab .... by kinghenryVIII	Dec 19th, 2006 02:52:27 PM
Just checked the Drudge report. She's been accused of smooching with Teen USA and parting / drug use. Good stuff. I'm bored at work and had to write something.
Howard will kill Angels and Demons by kinghenryVIII	Dec 19th, 2006 02:54:19 PM
'nugh said. Wow - I am just lurkin' in this here talkback, ain't I.
TINO!!!! by Puddleglum	Dec 19th, 2006 03:30:25 PM
just 'cause there hasn't been any TF news lately. Which is probably a good thing.
I mean, he's no Noah Wylie's the Librarian by superninja	Dec 19th, 2006 03:32:54 PM
or anything...
Well, when your subtitle is "Quest for the Spear" by Fawst	Dec 19th, 2006 04:13:23 PM
You can't expect to find gold in a shitmine, I suppose... That really was a horrible, terrible, cliche title. "The Librarian: Quest for the Spear" I mean, wow.
The Librarian films are bad, no doubt about it. by superninja	Dec 19th, 2006 04:14:23 PM
I was being quite sarcastic. The promos for the latest poorly written episode tried to make it look like it was comparable to Indy. Temple of Doom blows it out of the water! I think if you have a choice between bad CGI and no CGI, I would go with the "no" option and exercize some creative editing and direction. Of course, provided I had any to begin with.
Might as well have been by Fawst	Dec 19th, 2006 04:21:14 PM
The Librarian: Journey to the Place, or The Librarian: Search for the Object. How devoid of any sense of excitement can a title be? Then again, it IS about a librarian...
The last one was directed by Jonathan Frakes by superninja	Dec 19th, 2006 04:41:10 PM
Noah Wyle is way milquetoast, too. It's sad when Bob Newhart is the most interesting character.
Jericho is so not good. by Novaman5000	Dec 19th, 2006 04:44:45 PM
Whereas Heroes got better as it went on, Jericho has gotten worse. I REALLY wanted to like it, but it's so contrived and unimaginative.
National Treasure by slone13	Dec 19th, 2006 05:27:42 PM
Perhaps one of the better delicious, hungover-Saturday-afternoon treats to come our way in a while. I quite look forward to another go round. And this time I may even venture to the theatre to see it.
National Treasure was okay... by JackPumpkinhead	Dec 19th, 2006 06:01:46 PM
And at least it's not a sequel to something like Sahara or that Omen remake.
Have I mentioned I loved National Treasure? by chrth	Dec 19th, 2006 07:36:12 PM
Totally unexpected. While I'm not really keen on a sequel, I expect they'll keep it PG and won't pull anything stupid like US Marshalls did and ruin the first film (Renfro lives!).
Doh. Had to stop reading at JWB. by Jaka	Dec 19th, 2006 08:39:24 PM
I didn't see the first one in the theater. I laughed at anything to do with it. Seriously! I thought it looked completelty ridiculous.... and it is.... but I freakin' love it! lol I've watched it on cable close to 10 times, if not more. Go figure.
Hey MetalWater by Jaka	Dec 19th, 2006 08:43:56 PM
Ummm, I just like that they find the treasure. And that all the clues make enough sense that I don't roll my eyes and give up on it. It's like the dang Braveheart argument; if the movie doesn't even start with "based on a true story(or events)", it's just a movie. If you want facts, go to a library (which I do, that was not meant to be an insult). Or at the very least, watch a documentary. Movies are just movies. They are meant to allow you to FORGET about the real world (a majority of the time, anyway). Suspension of disbelief.
RezE11even by Jaka	Dec 19th, 2006 08:45:33 PM
Personally, yes, totally. And I saw them both the same way - at home on cable. Sahara has cheese factor for me. Where as I totally get into NT, even after repeated viewings. No hate for Sahara, or even dislike I suppose. I just really enjoyed NT.
Is anyone really waiting for this shit? by Mgmax	Dec 19th, 2006 08:48:47 PM
That's like waiting for the DVD of The Lincoln Conspiracy. Who owns Sunn Classic's back catalog, anyway?
Best scene in National Treasure... by colematthews	Dec 19th, 2006 09:32:51 PM
...at the Liberty Bell Museum (I think they were in the observation tower, or maybe the gift shop, but I digress), in the midst of being chased (you remember, that one time someone was being chased?), Nicolas Cage stops everything, gets all misty-eyed, and utters something along the lines of, "It was in this spot, 217 years ago, this great document was written". Give me a fucking break!
colematthews by Jaka	Dec 19th, 2006 09:37:35 PM
But what about Indy? He's all ga ga and passionate about the relics. Not that I'm really trying to change your mind or anything. The concept of NT was, and is, ridiculous. But it totally worked for me - wish I'd seen it in the theater.
Add me to the list of people by Shivv	Dec 19th, 2006 10:15:58 PM
who liked National Treasure, even if I'm still trying to figure out how much gambling debt Harvey Keitel had hanging over his head when he signed on to the movie. As far as Sahara is concerned, I liked the plot of the book a lot more, where they find Lincoln in the ship in the desert (and no, it wasn't as nonsensical as it sounds). The Cussler books in general are pretty good, and its a bit disappointing that what could have been a great franchise was handled so poorly. And as much as I like Steve Zahn, he was completely miscast as Al.
WHERES by FreeFingers	Dec 19th, 2006 10:31:18 PM
LANDA?
National Treasure drinking game by Osmosis Jones	Dec 19th, 2006 11:21:55 PM
Every single time someone utters the phrase "The Declaration Of Independance", take a drink. You'll be under the table by the halfway point.
WHAT?! No generic British villian??? I must protest!!!! by J-Dizzle	Dec 19th, 2006 11:24:52 PM
Its a disgrace! A DISGRACE I SAY!!!
Osmosis Jones by Ribbons	Dec 19th, 2006 11:47:52 PM
Holy shit! You mean a movie about two people trying to steal the Declaration of Independence uses the term "Declaration of Independence" a lot? No fucking way! Wow, you totally PWNED 'National Treasure'! Comic Book Guy would be proud!
I walked out of both national treasure and sahara by s0nicdeathmonkey	Dec 19th, 2006 11:58:17 PM
and I almost never walk out of films.
"Gates must kidnap the President" by moviemaniac-7	Dec 20th, 2006 01:09:41 AM
Not a chance, unless Gates' name happens to be... Bauer!
s0nicdeathmonkey... by colematthews	Dec 20th, 2006 03:22:15 AM
Might I humbly suggest that you stay at home when this one comes out?
s0nicdeathmonkey... by kinghenryVIII	Dec 20th, 2006 08:16:52 AM
with the amount of $$ that movies cost to attend .... and you walked out .... try touching yourself next time. In high school I took this girl out to a movie and she wanted to make out - and back then it cost like $7.50 (which was alot when your allowance came from raking leaves) and I told the bitch she better she watch - we can make out for free in my parents basement!
Psi Ops... by just pillow talk	Dec 20th, 2006 08:55:26 AM
You mean Bester is in this? Ooooh, not Psi Corp...
Mgmax- Umm yes the people who liked the first one by Lovecraftfan	Dec 20th, 2006 09:53:16 AM
Also where are people getitng the idea that NT was propaganda. Give me a fucking break. It was just a really fun action adventure serial that was far better than Sahara. I watch NT every time I see it on a cable. Sahara not so much.
Too Bad Bush Tore Up the Great Constitution by DarfurOnTheRocks	Dec 20th, 2006 10:04:32 AM
Well, it was a fun movie. But when we look at all of out freedoms that have been taken away from us, it is not hard to have a bitter taste in one's mouth whenever Nick Cage waxes lyrical about that Great document that is the constitution.
is it true that you get to by arghhhhhhhh	Dec 20th, 2006 11:00:31 AM
is it true that you get to see his cock in this one. I'm not bein a smart-ass i've heard it from a few people
Once Hollywood decides to make the Illuminatus Trilogy, by Doctor_Sin	Dec 20th, 2006 11:07:17 AM
I kill myself. NT was a lot of fun, but I'll take the original "Manchurian Candidate" and "Parallax View" for my conspiracy fix.
The Illuminatus Trilogy was a great read. That's all. by kinghenryVIII	Dec 20th, 2006 11:34:47 AM
Really. That's all.
rickshaw ralph by just pillow talk	Dec 20th, 2006 01:37:02 PM
why are you posting that shit?
REMOVED AT THE REQUEST OF DISNEY by apersonofinterest	Dec 20th, 2006 03:52:48 PM
Please God, I hope they are talking about Nicholas Cage..
Damn Disney! by JackBristow	Dec 20th, 2006 05:24:50 PM
So what did it say? Anyone? Bueller?

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