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Round #17 - Stallone is firing these back even quicker!!!

No way by MCHollow666	Dec 17th, 2006 02:29:13 PM
It can't be true And in response to earlier talkbacker, dolph lundgren began his career as a highly successful martial artist
LOL stupid fat woman! by GibsonUSA Returns	Dec 17th, 2006 02:33:05 PM
And yet....she managed to escape for a month. What a fast cow.
Thanks, Sly. 3 more to go! by dregmobile	Dec 17th, 2006 02:46:18 PM
I wonder if I will suffer withdrawals when these end ...
Bring back the lions. Bring back the spears. by GibsonUSA Returns	Dec 17th, 2006 02:48:23 PM
I agree. Young people, especially young men, need increased responsibility and toughness early in the lives as boys. There's an old saying I heard that success never reaches three consecutive generations. If a father is a fine hardworking man, and his son is also a successful hardworking man, then HIS son (the third generation) is in trouble. Greatness doesn't go beyond two generations because the third will have it too easy. People have written about this concept for centuries. The pussification of the third generation after two great ones.
Rock by optimus122	Dec 17th, 2006 02:48:43 PM
What ever happened to Tommy Gun? Do you ever speak to Tommy Morrison anymore and who's fault was it that the movie turned out so bad? I am glad you made a final chapter to take away the stench of that movie.
The answer to question 6 by DirkD13"	Dec 17th, 2006 03:02:25 PM
was outstanding. Thankyou Sly for going from an idol to a genuine human, it's a shame there's only 3 days pf this left.
Sly, please do this again by DirkD13"	Dec 17th, 2006 03:05:34 PM
for Rambo IV, and have a bloody good christmas.
Paul Bettany for Poe by King_Knut	Dec 17th, 2006 03:43:56 PM
Yeah.
James McAvoy for Poe by King_Knut	Dec 17th, 2006 03:44:19 PM
Yeah.
Wait, Harry was leaving Sly death threats? by Zarles	Dec 17th, 2006 03:46:59 PM
Trippy.
We are spoiled with this. by Dick Nicely	Dec 17th, 2006 03:59:09 PM
Not that I'm complaining. As a Woody Allen nut I was hoping for an anecdote about the little(r) guy and I got it. I've also got stories about bird-munching arm wrestlers, toothpaste commercial wannabes who can't drive, how to get Sharon Stone naked for a shower scene, stolen Cobra cars and the truth behind the three seashells. Not only that; through the talkbacks I learned about Stallone puppets in France and got all involved in the indomitable spirit of Rambo Cricket. A month ago, my ignorant image of Sly was that of a mumbling asshole who used to make boxing flicks but was terrific in Copland. Now I know he took himself from sleeping in bus shelters to being one of the smartest, funniest and most unexpectedly honest dudes in Hollywood. My apathy has turned into admiration, and I have to say he's inspired me. The bastard isn't just a self-made man, he's a nice guy as well, yet one who's not afraid to respond to death threats by confronting the person responsible, who for all he knew could have been some chainsaw-wielding psychopath (or possibly Carl Weathers). What a righteous dude. Sly, you are now on my hero list.
Automatons by forceofgravity	Dec 17th, 2006 04:31:54 PM
I've been following these since the beginning, and they have been amazingly enjoyable. Does anyone know whatever happened to Automatons, where Sly was supposed to be voicing Mussolini? Was that all a bunch of BS?
LOL @ Zarles by Cyberfury	Dec 17th, 2006 04:33:22 PM
hahahaha!
Answer to question 7 by Dick Nicely	Dec 17th, 2006 04:41:49 PM
I think this is why that movie Fight Club was (well, is) so popular. I think a lot of young men identify with it because these days we have to create our own formative experiences. We may be grateful that our lives are easy and, for example, we're no longer being conscripted to go climb out of trenches into a hail of gunfire or work in a coal mine 16 hours a day just because our fathers always did. But I also think we feel guilty, and jealous of people who do have their identities formed by hardship and/or great deeds. Is our western culture feminised? I don't know, but I'd certainly say us young men feel less like real men when we find ourselves in the cosmetics aisle of the supermarket, wondering which deoderant to buy. Or being stressed by our undemanding office jobs. I've been shot with a blank-firing gun (yes, it's possible), had my heart broken a couple of times (neither on account of the gun) and been a borderling alcoholic, but this is the sum total of my rites-of-passage. I've never even thrown a punch. I didn't feel patriotic until I moved abroad, and even then it was more nostalgia than patriotism. I definitely feel like I'm missing some life-defining experience, and I suppose in the absence of spears and lions I have to find this by proxy with movies and books about people who have it tougher than I ever did. Is this why characters like Rocky are so popular? Sorry, this post is long and not really about Sly, but I'm curious to know if you folks agree with any of it...
Hearts On Fire by christophermoltosante	Dec 17th, 2006 04:45:21 PM
greatest song ever in a movie period.
Zarles has hit on a truth by chrth	Dec 17th, 2006 04:45:51 PM
But Harry lost his license when he took a bunch of 5 year-olds to see Faces of Death.
Who'd trust Adrian "YOU CAN'T WIN!" Balboa? by CherryValance	Dec 17th, 2006 04:47:35 PM
I never liked her after that. But he's right. Friends are bad but, imo, families are the worst as far as jealousy goes. I hate it when it's from older generation to younger generation. So kids, don't trust your parents. I've seen too many parents jack up their kid's future "accidently".
Sly Confirmed For This Weeks Raw by christophermoltosante	Dec 17th, 2006 04:50:00 PM
i'll be watching.
Mr Stallone on Raw Is War by proper	Dec 17th, 2006 05:00:23 PM
=> excellent,feel free to say "I'm gonna give you a proper beating" to whoever chucks it with you.Have a good day.
Sly in Bonanza Re-make (we can only hope) by Johnny Kovac	Dec 17th, 2006 05:01:47 PM
The remake of Bonanza is nearly approaching greenlight status. Paramout is said to be very close to trying to Snag Sly Stallone as one of the Cartright Brothers. That would truly be a casting coup and adding his possible writing and directing skills. Here is the near complete casting. Dom Deliuse as Pa Cartright. Of course, its a little touch n go due to his weight. Paramount has lined up Paul Sorvino in case Deliuse fails his physical. Little Joe would be played by Joe Pesci, Hoss will be played by James Gandolfini , Adam would be played by Sly Stallone, and Hop Sing would be played by Jet-Li. Madonna as the town madame and of course the bad guy guest-star would be Bobby Deniro with Harvey Keitel as the Sheriff. How about Will Smith as the former ex-slave who works as the black-smith and instills in the Cartrights a sense of civility and Justice for equal rights. Not to mention - his hilarity and comedic skills. and of course - we have come-back player Mickey Rourke as the mysterious ranch-hand with the disfigured face and past who carries a grudge against the cartwrights and their abuse of power. Love interest for Sly in Sharon Stone returning as the town floozy and of course Lindsay Lohan as the long-lost wayward daugther of Sly. Joe Ganascoli aka Vito from the Sopranos will be reprising his role as the mysterious rancher Vito with an infactuation with another ranch hand named Johnny-Cakes. I think Sly as the brooding and intellectual Adam will be quite the fit. Paramount expects shooting to begin (barring any possible legal and clearance) in August 2007 with a July 4, 2008 release.
tomy morrison by MCHollow666	Dec 17th, 2006 05:09:39 PM
Isn't he dead? Or was that just another silly internet rumor? Either way, I'm sure he is dead to Sly after simply being a part of the trainwreck that was Rocky V And didn't Rocky seem to jump 40 IQ points in Rocky IV to the point where he was making insightful comments about Apollo's fight being "you against you"? to back down about about 100 IQ points in Rocky V where he was a naeive man-child?
Yo! by knobjockey	Dec 17th, 2006 05:19:40 PM
What a dude, answering these questions like this. Got to say, I get a rush watching the Rocky movies, always have done, so Rocky Balboa is a welcome Xmas present. But Sly (if you actually ever read this far down), is it true you were one of the many Stormtroopers in one of the original trilogy Star Wars films. or is that a Hollywood myth? And if so, can I interview you for my website www.lightsabre.co.uk. Shameless plug, but we all have to scream to be heard over the crowd! All the best, great fun reading this (especially the dirty joke about the rats, my Dad creased up at that one. Come to think of it, so did my Mom)
Re: Dick Nicely by BillEmic	Dec 17th, 2006 05:37:21 PM
I just want to say, I can totally relate. I love watching these bad-ass, tough-talking, terse and masculine stars like Clint Eastwood, Steve McQueen, Stallone, etc. even though I'm absolutely nothing like these guys, i.e. in comparison I'm a feminized wuss. I think a large part of it is because is me trying to live vicariously through their onscreen personas, and imagining what it'd be like to be a "man's man." I mean, we're living in an age where young people like us can sit back and actually have our pick of the litter as to what college we want to go to...when just a few generations back, our relatives had to actually immigrate from another country and start from nothing! It's hard not to feel spoiled and unworthy much of the time, as well as long for some kind of "Fight Club"-like experience that would truly test one's mettle. My only aversion to this kind of thinking is that any talk of a "hard, tough, brutal youth" reminds me of Hitler's philosophies.
That said... by BillEmic	Dec 17th, 2006 05:41:27 PM
...most baby boomers I encounter on daily basis are whining pussies who bitch when there's too much foam in their latte. shrugs
I have been telling friends, family, anyone.. by Gabba-UK	Dec 17th, 2006 05:51:11 PM
to come here and read these little treasures for over two weeks now. Sly, you've made some very good films and some very bad films but all in all I can say and have said in other talk-backs to your replies, you sir are a top bloke and worthy of our respect. January can't come early enough to see this flick when it comes to blighty.
Johnny Kovac, another question for ya. by nomihs	Dec 17th, 2006 06:05:54 PM
After reading your posts in talkback for ROUND 16, and now ROUND 17, the first impression I get is that you might be and inside man for the Stallone camp (Celeste perhaps?) I could be, and am very likely wrong, but you seem to have a lot to say about the man. Now if you are just a big fan than I stand corrected and applaud your enthusiasm. It's too bad these ROUNDS are almost over. I am just surprised that Rocky went 20 rounds with the TALKBACKERS of AICN. You are a brave man Sly.
Pussies by antonphd	Dec 17th, 2006 06:11:01 PM
American men aren't pussies because of feminization... it's because their fathers are pussies. My mom made Mommy Dearest seem like June Cleaver and my pussy of a father did shit about it. Why? Because he was a pussy. His dad beat the shit out of him. Which was sad. But that's no excuse for being a coward and standing by and letting your wife do the same thing to your kids. I admit, I'm a man despite my father. I was lucky enough to have 5 older brothers to look up to. My dad gave me advice twice: first, do what your mom says and she'll go easier on you; second, don't marry a black girl. Sigh. At least my future kids won't have a pussy for a dad. I can give them that much.
So Sly already had his Poe script in the 80s? by JackPumpkinhead	Dec 17th, 2006 06:26:30 PM
That's when Friedkin was a screen giant and made good films, after all...
Pussy dads often yield strong sons. by GibsonUSA Returns	Dec 17th, 2006 06:27:38 PM
Because they learn to fend for themselves. Those who rise from the ashes are usually incredibly strong.
Masculinity by #1 Zero	Dec 17th, 2006 06:30:54 PM
I think Thomas Jefferson said something like, I'm a soldier so my son can be a farmer so his son can be a businessman or lawyer (something to that effect). While we may have it easier than our ancestors, how do we really know that our great grandfathers or grandfathers didn't want that for us. I also think that feminization of society is the wrong terminology (Stallone clarifies it) as much as the modernization of society. We don't work in coal mines and on farms because of the advancements in technology and availabilty of higher education. My dad used a slide rule for what computers do now for a lot of his business career and now we have a lot of machines and computers that do a lot for us. As for rites of passage, I played football in high school and took a lot of punishment as well as giving some out, on a social level I've drank hard and had some luck with the ladies, hell, I've even been robbed at gun point and pistol whipped but am I more of a man becuase of it? I'm not sure. I don't know if bruises make the man but I don't think we should all be metrosexuals either. I don't believe you have to be bearded lumberjacks or run with the bulls or climb everest just to prove you're a man. Maybe there is a happy medium where, probably, a lot of us lie. You're probably missing something else in life and using these rights of passage to fill some kind of psychological void. It's like trying to plot out the future of your life in terms of being a husband and or father by going to a singles bar. It just isn't there.
Sly has had Poe script since late 70's, Van Gogh as wel by Johnny Kovac	Dec 17th, 2006 06:34:56 PM
Sly was very prolific in the 80's in terms of creating projects for himself. The Poe script was started in late 70's - and went through several drafts in 80's. Sly first mentioned the Poe project on the Dinah Shore show when he was promoting Rocky II in June of 1979. He described himself tongue in cheek as saying "Yo, Poe"...on Dinah's couch with a lot of laughter. If i remember, Sly was in between an electic guest which included Bill Shatner, Howard COsell and Billy Carter?? - You had to be there as Sly charmed the pants off Dinah Shore and her audience. I think Sly even did a comedy bit with Howard Cosell introducing some of the clips to Rocky II. Cosell said something like "Apollo Creed is being extremely truclent (the old Cassius clay line).." Sly also was interested in playing Superman in late 70's while also trying to greenlight starring and directing the Poe project. I think the great thing about stallone is the greatness to do mainstream and independent and niche projects. Sly has wanted to do Vincent Van Gogh project with his brother Frank for a number of years. Kirk Douglas played Van Gogh in 50's but Sly wants to go deeper and darker. Also - Sly was interested in a few times in making a project about the killing of Tupac and Biggie Smalls. A dream project for Stallone would be to do a biography of Steve Reeves, the original Hercules.
Tommie Gunn is alive and well by Johnny Kovac	Dec 17th, 2006 06:44:51 PM
Tommie Gunn is alive. No longer boxing. Tommie was diagnosed with HIV in 1995 and quit the ring soon after. Morrison lives in White County, Tennessee and is currently writing his auto-biography. He has four children. Remember - Tommie Morrion outpointed George Foreman in 1993. However, Rocky Balboa beat his ass in that street fight in Philly in 1990. What happened to the black guy who helped train rocky in ROcky II? You know Mickey's assistant who helped beat Rocky's mid-section in the training montage ?? that's the real question. Stallone's organization tried to find him and we couldn't find him. I for one will terribly miss Joe Spinelli (Gatzo) in Rocky Balboa. Yo, Mr. Gatzo, Gatzo first said "Go for it" in 1979 Rocky II as Casey Stengle once said you could look it up. Joe Spinelli was the first person to coin the phrase "Go for it"
questions that need to be asked.... by lynxpro	Dec 17th, 2006 06:53:01 PM
Who is the better artist....Sly or Lando Calrissian himself? And did Sly ever have words with Norm MacDonald (like when Sly hosted SNL) over using Sly's brother as a running gag during the entire time Norm did SNL's "fake news" (aka "Weekend Update")? I already asked my question, so alas, I cannot submit those.
My brother and your brother Frank Stallone by Johnny Kovac	Dec 17th, 2006 06:59:10 PM
Frank Stallone is a great guy. A true gentlemen and a great actor. If you get a chance - check out Frank Stallone in "Bar-Fly" - its a great performance. The measure of a man is how he treats his family. Sly has always find room for his brother in his films both staying alive and Rocky. Loyalty and kindness to family is very important.
Sly is a true man of people - by Johnny Kovac	Dec 17th, 2006 07:01:23 PM
I wouldn't even compare Sly Stallone to Kevin Smith. Smith is a unique talent but he isn't anywhere near the Stallone Stratosphere. Also - isn't Smith kind of a one-trick Pony whose 15 minutes are up soon. I mean - Stallone has been doing film for over 35 years and continues to re-invent himself.
I'm sorry, but Clerks2 sucked... by lynxpro	Dec 17th, 2006 07:09:15 PM
The only good thing about it was Rosario Dawson jiggling her magnificent jumblies in the rooftop dancing scene. Wowsers. Granted, her nude scene in Alexander was much much much better even if Colin Ferrell was in it too.
Paradise Alley - the classic vocal by Johnny Kovac	Dec 17th, 2006 07:10:56 PM
Sly sang the theme to "Paradise Alley". I think musically its as brilliant as Sgt. Pepper and Pet Sounds. The Paradise Alley Album has a special track of the song with just the vocal. The vocal sonic symphony of Paradise Alley when heard by small children and stray pets is said to make them impervious to pain and outside distractions. American Soldiers working in Abu Grabh, Iraqi Prison camp apparently preferred making Prisoners listen to Paraside Alley in order to soften them up before their interrogations. Many of the torture devices investigated including old clips of "Stop or my mom will shoot" and the CD soundrack to "Paradise Alley".
That's cause Sly's a classy adult while Smith's a geek. by GibsonUSA Returns	Dec 17th, 2006 07:19:37 PM
Nothing wrong with being a geek. But it's a completely different mentality than Sly's class act. Sly's like a grown mature adult. Smith is giggling at LOTR jokes. Big difference.
Johnny Kovac by lynxpro	Dec 17th, 2006 07:21:29 PM
I think the best way to torture Islamic terrorist suspects would be to make them watch Wet Hot American Summer endlessly. Ed Wood made better films than that pile o' poo doo. Plus, since the premise of the film is that it takes place at a Jewish American summer camp, that will add insult to injury to those terrorists. Like making IRA members watch Patriot Games until they committed suicide.
feminized culture by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 17th, 2006 07:29:27 PM
i agree completely with sly on that - men need their rites of passage back - but this observation is kinda funny coming from one of history's highest paid actors (in his hey-day) - and a guy that colors his hair and removes all his body hair (perhaps for job reasons, but still) - no disrespect, just an observation
clerks 2 did suck... except for rosario by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 17th, 2006 07:31:38 PM
this woman is the sexiest female beast on the planet - her face alone is boner-inducing
Masculinity by Dick Nicely	Dec 17th, 2006 07:34:37 PM
I guess Fight Club did ultimately take the piss out of this way of thinking, where the disenchanted young men start out fulfilling their need for "tough, brutal youth" and end up as fascist/nihilistic morons. But #1Zero makes a good point... maybe we're ungrateful that much of the suffering has already been done on our behalf. If our grandfathers were here today, at our age, they could probably kick the shit out of us, but more likely they'd envy our existential (or latte) angst over the hardships they suffered. On the other hand, I do feel guilty that future generations will know fewer people who suffered for their freedom. I could go to some bar right now and find an old dude who'll tell me his war stories (well, it's France so it's more likely to be a student riot story) but I pity the young lad in 2056 whose grandfather's most inspiring tale is how he built a firewall for the Bank of England. I'm sure this is a psychological void - but I think it's a common one, and I'd like to know how to fill it with something other than organised underground bare-knuckle fighting. Maybe it will pass with age, I don't know. It's insane to revere suffering. But what do we learn about ourselves when our toughest decisions involve brand names, or interest rates?
Homer Simpson by veritasses	Dec 17th, 2006 07:53:33 PM
I heard one time that Homer Simpson is responsible for creating a new generation of "un-mannly men". Homer made it ok to be a bumbling, loser, doofus, "anti-man, man" while Marge basically wore the pants in the family. There might be something to that theory. Though I might add Alan Alda and Lawyers to that list.
I wonder if Stallone is happy that by veritasses	Dec 17th, 2006 07:55:37 PM
these Q&A sessions are almost over. It's got to be a pain in the @ss for him to do this every day. Well, regardless, he's a damn cool guy for doing it.
Rite of passage by GibsonUSA Returns	Dec 17th, 2006 07:57:14 PM
I don't think toughness need be merely physical. You don't need to send your kid to go be a lumberjack. It's about scratching and clawing and fighting for what you deserve, period. It can be in anything. It can be in a boxing ring or it can be in an office building or it can be at a University. It's about paying your dues, getting your ass kicked (FIGURATIVELY), and moving foward. It's about building endurance and stamina, mentality if not physically. There's too much pissing and moaning these days. Kid doesnt get a car, not just a car but a one thats THIS COLOR, when they turn 16 and they act like the world is against them. They grow up and as adults its exactly the same. Piss and moan. Piss and moan. This person did this % less work than I did, thats UNFAIR! This person's cubicle is ____ square inches larger than mine, that's UNFAIR! It's the "cry to mommy" mentality that I think Sly was referring to. It's about shutting your ass up and getting to WORK. Whether its lumberjacking or accounting, it's about starting at the bottom and fighting and clawing your way out.
The mystery of Johnny Kovac... by nomihs	Dec 17th, 2006 08:00:14 PM
So what can you tell us of Stallone's time on the set of F.I.S.T Johnny? Do you have the "inside" track on this? I am guessing that you do.
Yackbacker by Dick Nicely	Dec 17th, 2006 08:08:23 PM
Excellent point, and well made! Cuts through all the bullshit, methinks. Well done, sir.
Next month: by Dick Nicely	Dec 17th, 2006 08:09:53 PM
Twenty rounds of Stallone questions, answered daily by Johnny Kovac.
GibsonUSA Returns by Dick Nicely	Dec 17th, 2006 08:27:15 PM
That's exactly why I've come to admire Stallone over the course of these Q&As. My prior image of him was some lug who played genocidal maniacs in daft action movies. Now my opinion has completely reversed. Alright, the guy can throw a punch and chase psychos through restaurants, but he's also built his career up from nothing by sheer force of will. It's easy to scoff at superstars whose regular paycheck exceeds the gross national product of Japan, but he started out with nothing and worked hard to get where he is today. Makes a fella want to get off his ass and achieve.
Rocky's record by DarthStallion	Dec 17th, 2006 09:48:21 PM
I caught a trailer that had a quick peak at Rocky's record. His record is listed as 53-27. 44-20 going into the fight in the first "Rocky"). I actually had that figured up a few years ago...glad to see my meaningless math was correct. Also, Gazzo actually says "Go for it" in the 15th round of the first fight.
Fuck lions and spears... by Batutta	Dec 17th, 2006 09:56:19 PM
If being a pussy is the price one has to pay for living in a civilized society, it's one I'm glad to pay. If Apocalypto showed me anything, it's that I don't want to go back to living in the jungle.
In todays society it is extremely hard to find our Lion by streakerfreak1983	Dec 17th, 2006 10:26:42 PM
So one needs to search it out. Some people head to the military for that. Fine, if that is what you desire. For me, after my nail polishing and my eyebrow waxing, I head to the mountains or the sea. This is were I find my lions and spears. Example, 2 months into my pacific crossing on a tall ship, think master and commander(yeah they look big but try spending two months on one with claustrophobia) anyways two months into the crossing I remember the sudden squal we hit with water spounts that we had to dodge, 50-65 m/hr winds, giant walls of water crashing over the ship and we would have about 2 hrs of sleep and have to be up climbing the rigging and sailing the ship. At one point after coming back to the deck from aloft a wall of water crashed over the area in which I was standing throwing me to the other side of the ship with the only thing catching me from being a man overboard were the lines for the sails. When I crashed back to the deck my knee was slashed and blood was gushing out. Due to the sudden threat of a water spout I had to get right up and help steer the ship. Or the two times I had to carry 80pounds of gear on my back in the new mexico dessert for 12 days. The reason why I am mentioning all this is that we have many oppurtunities to find out lions and spears, but I just feel everyone has become so luthargic that the "pussy" world is creeping in on us and we are just sitting by letting it happen. We are all becoming obese and lazy. Just get up of your ass and find your spear.
good points, but... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 17th, 2006 10:26:49 PM
something tells me "Batutta" and "DamnYouMichaelBay" both have spaghetti arms and wouldnt last more than a day and a night if stuck out in the woods - slaying dragons isnt a prerequisite for being a man - but the only alternative isnt "being a pussy" - at the risk of sounding ridiculous, i think any "man" in any culture should be able to defend himself (to one degree or another, and unarmed) - it's a part of being self sufficient - nowadays self sufficiency seems too defined by the proximity of the nearest cell phone tower and how fast you can text message
and geez don't spend so much time on the computer by streakerfreak1983	Dec 17th, 2006 10:31:48 PM
Get out for once, go on here only once a day. Sorry Harry, love your site but some of these people sit by there computer all day always hitting the refresh button for hours, while making love to patty palms.
and to Dick Nicely... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 17th, 2006 10:39:05 PM
"Fight Club" was a movie - with made-up characters in a made-up situation - and the reason the punks in fightclub became fascist knee-jerk followers was they were weak - their pseudo sexual need to blindly wreak havoc (as i recalll they became urban terrorists) was surpassed only by their need to be led - their insecurities and self loathing was pandered to by their leader (ed norton) - who was in an ironic twist the weakest of the bunch - what "Fight Club" showed me was get enough angry wusses together and theyll organize - good movie though - fincher can direct
to "guy with very long name" by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 17th, 2006 10:50:30 PM
not that its relevant to whats being discussed - but yes - i do think i could "take him" - im 41 - can lift more than my body weight - and im not afraid of getting hit - i have the face to prove it - ed norton is an actor - im sure he can act circles around me - wait - did you mean the character he played in fightclub? - i can take him too - i dont think i can take darth vader or frodo though
and to same guy... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 17th, 2006 10:56:30 PM
if you can beat up DYMB - that just means hes a bigger pussy than you are - be a good brother and hold his feet while he does some situps - the thought that stallone might be reading this stuff is a bit unsettling - youd think hed have better/more important things to do
do you mean me, or stallone? by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 17th, 2006 11:03:10 PM
sorry - i forget sometimes that there are kids on this site - i meant nothing personal before - sorry - so i guess school should be out now for xmas break and all - you must be excited
i hate 50 cent and guys who think there hot shit by streakerfreak1983	Dec 17th, 2006 11:34:58 PM
hunters, military guys who love to kill, fake gangsters, gangsters, all of them are stupid. Hell, I lived in the Miami area for a year. They all are tough asses with guns, but take away the guns and there idiots without guns. Here in Eugene, Oregon you would not believe how many white 21 year old guys drive around blasting 50 cent shit, smoking, and walking around with there pants down to there knees talking all ghetto in Eugene Oregon. There all just a bunch of idiots. What I feel people need to do is get more active in non retard ways. There is a difference between Spears and Lions and 50 cents. Huge difference
streakerfreak by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 17th, 2006 11:48:09 PM
whats your beef with hunters and "military guys" - what makes you think they "love to kill" - are you a vegetarian? - do you see no use for a military? - lumping them in with "gangsters" (fake or otherwise) shows how little you know - the idiots you described (suburban 21 yr olds into hip hop) probably arent tough - but you sound like "you" think they are - and you sound a little scared of them - heres an idea - walk up to some and ask if they want to be friends and if theyd be interested in "getting more active in non retard ways" (as you put it) - this would be both a gracious and brave gesture on your part
only when backed into a corner... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 17th, 2006 11:55:33 PM
by fear will a talkbacker resort to using all capital letters in a post - AAAARRGGHH!
JimmyJoe RedSky by streakerfreak1983	Dec 17th, 2006 11:55:51 PM
DID I SAY ALL MILITARY MEN LIKE TO KILL!! I RARLEY EAT MEAT, ONLY WHEN I HAVE TO. AND NOW I AM NOT SCARED OF THESE IDIOT SUBURBAN "GANGSTERS" THEY ARE MORONS.
weird by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 17th, 2006 11:57:56 PM
how did my response get ahead of what i was responding to? - lucky me
JimmyJoe RedSky part 2 by streakerfreak1983	Dec 17th, 2006 11:58:17 PM
Look I have meant and known several military guys who were all gunho for going to war to kill. That is all they talked about. One died and the other who I recently talked after he came home became a changed man. No longer was he gunho, he realized how much of an ass he was at that time.
wow, your an ass by streakerfreak1983	Dec 17th, 2006 11:59:07 PM
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geez, I need to... by streakerfreak1983	Dec 18th, 2006 12:00:20 AM
make sure my spelling is right before I post these damn things
of course we need a military by streakerfreak1983	Dec 18th, 2006 12:02:37 AM
but some people join for the most inane reasons and some join up for very heartfelt reason. My attack was not at those heartfelt soldiers dieing for what they felt was right
about hunters... by streakerfreak1983	Dec 18th, 2006 12:05:53 AM
yes some have a very good reason to hunt, but a lot do not. Back in Boy Scouts(Yeah I was one and man do I regret it) I knew a father who would go out often to go kill a random deer. Several times he came home with a mother. Once he came home with a mother with baby. These people discuss me and he went out with about 6 other guys.
BringSexyBack by streakerfreak1983	Dec 18th, 2006 12:07:41 AM
Thank you very much for defending what I said. I am happy someone actually read my entire post
sorry streaker by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 18th, 2006 12:08:08 AM
i mightve misread your "list" of the types of tough guys you hate - my mistake - sounds like your friends enlisted for the wrong reasons - joining up because you want to kill is as bas as guys that become cops because they were bullied and want to push others around - i see your point - but you should still take my advice - go extend a friendly hand to the scary suburbanite gangsta wannabes that are making you so nervous - change starts with you - i am an ass
Thanks by eatlightning	Dec 18th, 2006 12:11:19 AM
Thanks for doing this Sly. I'm new to the site, but your Q&A is fantastic!
JimmyJoe RedSky by streakerfreak1983	Dec 18th, 2006 12:13:50 AM
thank you for the post back. Very civil of you. These suburbanite gangsta wannabes are not scary at all. They are just sad. They don't need any help. One day they will snap out of it. Some will snap out of it, some won't and will go nowwhere in life
Moving "maleness" away from aggression... by GibsonUSA Returns	Dec 18th, 2006 12:16:42 AM
I agree on both fronts. I agree with the guy who said that every guy should be able to defend himself to some degree, stay in shape, and not be some helpless weakling. But I also agree that the association of man with muscles and aggression and "who can kick who's ass" is not really as relevant anymore in today's society. Most of my friends who spend their lives at the gym getting beefed up have never been in a "real" fight in their lives. Never needed to. They work out more for physical fitness and yes, looks. In today's civilized world the value of big muscles isn't what it used to be. You'd make more money and live a better life as a 90 pound computer programming nerd.
my picture of noble hunting... by streakerfreak1983	Dec 18th, 2006 12:19:34 AM
is that of The DEER HUNTER. My fiance father is a hunter and ex Vitnam drafty who fought as a grunt in the jungles. His life mirrors that of Robert DeNiro In THE DEER HUNTER. Before he went to war he was a majestic hunter in upstate NY, then afterwards he could never shoot a deer again. Oh he went hunting, but could never pull the trigger. Then he became a NYC fireman. Fortuntaly just a month before Sept 11 he fell down a fire excape in a burning builind and had to have severe surgury. This prevented him from going into the towers. Most of his friends died in the attacks. He was going to funurals for a year. Now that is someone who has fought with spears and lions.
oh and to top it all off... by streakerfreak1983	Dec 18th, 2006 12:24:08 AM
my fiances mother and his wife suffered from severe M.S. so he also had to be caregiver for 25yrs while she was in a wheel chair. Then she got lukemia last March and died from complcations due to the surgey and M.S. He he is still going, still fight for a good life
Perhaps being “A Man” has less to do with by veritasses	Dec 18th, 2006 12:43:54 AM
physical capabilities or one or two special events in a person’s life and more to do with the decisions we make and how we chose to conduct ourselves every moment of everyday be they ordinary or extraordinary. Like doing the things that need to be done without a moments hesitation, regardless of how trivial or unglamorous it might be. Helping those that are in need of help whether they are friend, stranger or foe. Choosing to walk a path of peace instead of being suckered into a cheap fight, or conversely being the cause of a cheap fight. Having a code of honor (and having the maturity and experience to know what real honor is) and not betraying that code no matter the temptation to do so. Doing things out of kindness without prompting even if it means some sacrifice from you. Etc, etc. There are people who are incredibly strong and are as tough as nails but who have no honor and who I wouldn’t call a Real Man even though they could punch a hole in me with their thumb. There are also people who aren’t the biggest or the strongest but who could easily serve as a role model for anyone because they know the difference between right and wrong and they know what to do in either situation.
veritasses by streakerfreak1983	Dec 18th, 2006 01:09:13 AM
I think that is a great point. When I was pointing out what I have done to I guess have my "spears and lions" I was not pointing out physical strength, but mental strength to overcome a huge obstical that I thought I could not overcome. Many times I wanted to give up during those thing, but I kept on pushing my self. There were times when I was almost mad with insanity on the ship with my claustropbia, so what did I do, I got up and got some ships blankets for the my shivering crews memebers on deck. I wish I saw more stuff like that. Last week was perfect. I was at a light here in Eugene Oregon when I saw someone come out of a resturant with a bag full of just ordered food for himself. As I was pulling away I saw him stop, think, and then give the entire bag to the homeless man on the corner. Now that is a man. Wish I could have the guts to do something like that
*Here's a "JUDGE DREDD" movie experience for Sly... by JDanielP	Dec 18th, 2006 01:32:47 AM
Back in the day, when "JUDGE DREDD" was playing at theatres on opening weekend, I had gone to see it with friends (also comic book fans). And I believe it was that VERY NEXT DAY (or possibly that Sunday) that my brother was practically begging me to go see it with him (so that he wouldn't have to go "alone"). And despite that I HAD JUST SEEN THE MOVIE.... and since nobody else was going to see it with him, I relented. So anyway, as we traveled in his car on the way to the theatre, ...as we were joking around in that playful kind of aggrivating mode that sibblings sometimes share in conversation, I respond to my brother in a slightly deeper, slurred manner of speech, saying "I knew you'd say that." I didn't want to make it obvious that I was attempting to do Sly's voice... so I only hinted at it, but just barely. And my brother would say something back and I'd repeat myself, "I knew you'd say that." And as we continued our brotherly chat, I repeatedly responded by saying "I knew you'd say that" enough times to make myself (more) annoying. After enough times, my brother told me to "quit that" ...and it eventually turned into a punch on the arm before I stopped. But he was smart enough to figure it out, asking, "What?! Does Stallone say that in the movie or somethng?" And I was like... "No." (Imagine an Academy Award worthy reaction, with the right amount of voice inflection.) And then my brother says, "...Yeah, I bet." So, finally, we're in the darkened theatre when, as scheduled, Judge Dredd (Stallone) delivers the line, "I knew you'd say that." It's a wonder my brother didn't throw his neck out when he delivered me that trademark look of his. And I just smiled as he gave me that bit of a growl. And before long, on cue, Judge Dredd delivers the line, again. "Hey!" my brother nearly shouts, as he shoots me another glare. And I'm chuckling on the outside... but on the inside, I'm laughing my ass off. And as you might guess, when Judge Dredd says it again, I get punched... in that brotherly, you-really-got-me kind of way (but with something extra). --Thanks, Stallone, for bringing us great joy over the years, ...punches and all.
I remember when Dredd came out... by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Dec 18th, 2006 01:39:19 AM
I desperately wanted to see that movie, at the time I thought the trailer was the most awesome thing I had ever seen. I had to wait for the video though (haha remember those?). It became a sort of running joke between me and my best pal that Judge Dredd was our favourite movie of all time and hence the best film ever made. The funny thing is we almost meant it sometimes. "you're a lotta fun to be with Dredd!"
For Doc Holliday by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Dec 18th, 2006 02:45:16 AM
See how in ROunds 15 and 16 TWO!!!! - Not one, but TWWWWWOOOOOOOOO of my questions have been answered, Intelligent questions too. Didn't think that I could and that you couldn't do this eh, what, with 9 of your questions being failed to be answered eh?!!?!? Twooowooo Nill! Twoowoo Nill! Two Nill!!! (Football crowd hooligan singer, voice) Enjoying your new home and life over at the AICN TBs now are we Doc? Even here I'm ruining your life with my presence! Long may it continue. Teach you for running away from the Zone and myself, and leaving me with just having Havoc to talk to. I've hurt you - and I wish to go on, hurting you. I'm all over this place man, I'm gonna continue farking you up over here. Cue, evil Palpatine laugh orchestra! - Thank You. Slowly I will make you die as you deserve to, Doc! DIE AS YOU DESERVE TO!!!!!
re: streakerfreak by veritasses	Dec 18th, 2006 02:55:11 AM
Sorry, I didn’t mean to refer to any particular Tber in my post. I was more just making a general comment. I think what you’ve done is quite accomplished and admirable. Generally speaking, we all make choices every day sometimes without even realizing it. For some matters, we might be on auto-pilot and make choices without thinking and for other choices we might dwell on the issue for a long time before we do anything about it. But I think it’s the sum of all the choices we make – big and small – that shape and define who we are. And it’s the culmination of all the learning and growing from our choices from physical, mental, emotional etc experiences that build us into better (or worse as the case may be) people. If we see someone trip and fall, is the first instinct to laugh or to help. If someone makes an insulting comment, do we ignore it and go on with life or respond in kind because of our ego/hubris. If we see an injustice at work or school do we stay silent or do we speak up. When faced against hardship and overwhelming odds for an all important situation (be it a physical, mental, social, life or death etc situation) do we get tough and push forward or do we crumble and fall. Sometimes there aren’t easy or even “right” answers to these choices but I think the decisions and actions we take define who we are as people/men. So I think it’s less about how strong (physically, mentally, emotionally, morals/values) we might be but rather how and when we choose to use what strengths we have and what we learn from the experience that’s important. Compared to the generations (circa 1930’s-1950’s) who had nothing and broke their backs to create the modern world, I do think that we have gotten progressively “soft/complacent” and tend to chose to take the “easy” path, we haven’t really taken on the challenges that build character and values and we tend to place far too much emphasis on the trivial things that (when you really think about it) don’t really matter. Just my opinion though
YO SLY! by v for vienetta	Dec 18th, 2006 04:03:10 AM
Thank you so much for doing this. I'm really going to miss my daily dose of your pearls of wisdom. All the best with your forthcoming projects, I'm really looking forward to seeing Rocky Balboa.
GibsonUSA Returns by antonphd	Dec 18th, 2006 04:04:12 AM
Nicely said above. I simply think that the problem isn't with Men in the US being like Women in particular. It's with them being like Boys and never growing into Men. Life used to be harder and you became a Man much sooner in life. You had to. But today, you can just coast in life, like those dandys you see in the stories of aristocrats back in the day. Spoiled brats who just got what they wanted. Men don't need to be less feminine, they just need to grow to fuck up. Men are men, when they decide to be. Gay, straight, metro whatever... you can always tell the difference between a boy and a man. Tom Cruise at 40 is still a Boy. Sylvester Stallone at 40 was a Man. Arnold was a Man. Jackie Chan was a man(watch him in his behind the scenes, he's not a clown in real life). Talking actors here. Who else do you got? Ben Affleck? Well, he's starting to grow up actually. We've got Denzel Washington. That's it. The rest we have to ship in from the rest of the world like Owen and Craig. And that's because our society doesn't foster Men like it used to. I'm 32. Who are the heroes in my generation who have done anything worth anything? There are none.
The Best One Yet by BoyNamedSue	Dec 18th, 2006 05:27:52 AM
I had no idea I could learn so much valuable and interesting insight from Mr. Stallone. I ESPECIALLY loved his thoughts about feminized culture and being true to one's own self!
Damn you Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Dec 18th, 2006 05:47:05 AM
Damn you Michael Bay
MoeHowardDaycareBitch by DocPazuzu	Dec 18th, 2006 06:39:46 AM
How long before we see that username?
RedSky needs to off himself by MCHollow666	Dec 18th, 2006 06:43:43 AM
Anyone who is pathetic enough to to do some serious e-thugging on a movie website by telling all these random strangers how physically capable he is has a serious inferiority-complex. Everybody thinks they're tough these days. Everyone wants to stare down another guy as he walks down the street, even if he's minding his own business. Everybody thinks they're crazy as fuck. You can talk all the shit you want, ice grill anyone who comes near you, but when the chips are down the truth comes out. Given the option of fight or flight, most people will head for the hills. On another note, it doesn't take balls to pull a trigger. It's nearly impossible to get a "fair" fight these days because cowards are more likely to either attack in groups, pull out a gun, pull out a knife or jump a guy from behind. Anyway, I digress. It's early and I'm tired. Basically, I'm just saying that bragging about how tough you are online is the height of stupidity. No one knows anybody else here. You can make assumptions based on how a person chooses to respond in these talkbacks but it really doesn't mean a damn thing. There is a chance the biggest lotr geek on this site could knock you the fuck out. No one knows. The internet isn't real. Get over it.
This whole Q and A solidified Sly to the Geeks by DOGSOUP	Dec 18th, 2006 07:58:28 AM
Before this I'm sure there were detractors on this site as with any actor. Taking the time to do this though means all of us cybergeeks would go see Copland 2 in a heartbeat.
Some great posts here by SK909	Dec 18th, 2006 09:02:32 AM
from people like Veritasses and antonphd. I agree with both of their previous posts, especially the part about men remaining boys for far longer than they should. It's true, it's almost an intangible thing that one can just recognize immediately but may not be able to put into words. Tom Cruise still behaves like a boy, no doubt about it. It's a matter of wanting what you want when you want it and not having the patience, understanding, and lack of ego that comes with experiences that you've learned from. Because one can have a lot of experience yet still learn nothing from it. Stallone is a man because he's able to stand outside of himself and see how others view both himself and the situations he's been in. When you are able to truly put yourself in other people's shoes and do it in most situations when it comes to making decisions, I believe you have overcome one of the biggest hurdles it takes to truly become a man. It's a very difficult balance of not giving a shit what other people think and staying true to yourself, as Stallone said, and also caring for others and being able to put your own ego aside or abandon the worst parts of it altogether. The two may seem like they're at complete odds with one another, but I think those who understand how it works know that they're really not. Here's an example of overgrown 'boys' in today's american society. Yesterday, when I was Christmas shopping, this big dude that looked to be in his early 30's was walking through the CHILDREN'S section of Macy's behind my girlfriend and I. Here's what I overheard from that conversation - "Dude... yeah, you're taking out that hairdressa? (I live in NJ) I'm kind of on the fence right now, half in single territory... yeah. (goes on and on) Ok, well, have fun banging the hell outta that chick!" That, my friends, is a boy. Likewise, I was at a wedding recently, and was seated at a table with a lot of my girlfriend's old guy friends from high school. They're all stock brokers and they're all reciting lines from Goodfellas and Entourage (not that there's anything wrong with those, I like them both) and talking about the fight they got into at some bar in the city a few weeks back. I looked at my girlfriend, laughing, and said, "What is this, mean tree-lined streets?" cause I know they all grew up in the suburbs where she is from. They're all wannabe tough guys, all in their late 20's, early 30's who've grown up with silver spoons in their mouths and I don't know why they can't just be what they are and stop trying to prove how tough they are when there's an outsider in their midst. I actually grew up in Jersey City, NJ, on the wrong side of the tracks and I don't act like that. I know where I'm from, but I don't try to talk like I'm from the Sopranos. It's just entertainment. It has its place, but it's not reality. I think that others were getting at this when they said that men of this generation look to movies for their role models of manhood and want to be that tough, because they know they never will be. The only truly tough person I've ever known was my grandfather. He worked as a construction foreman his whole life, never, ever entertained the idea of cheating on my grandmother, he always did right by his kids and his grandkids, and he never opened his mouth unless he felt he had something important to say. And he never did it for the benefit of others, or so they'd think he was 'tough' or smart or anything other than what he knew he was - a man. He fought in WWII as part of a team that made sure Nazi anti-aircraft guns were destroyed or inoperable. He boxed in his late teens and early 20's, just before he became part of the second wave of soldiers to hit Normandy. One time, he was fixing my aunt's front stairs with all his tools behind him. Some random guy walking by stole his circular saw as he was hammering away at something and he didn't notice until he turned around to use it. He got in his truck and rode around the area looking for the guy. Sure enough, he finds him, pulling up next to him then getting out with a 2x4 in his hands. He hit the guy in the head with it, took back his saw and told him, "If I ever see you around here again, I'm going to cut you up with this saw and feed you to my dog." He was 68 years old at the time. And the point is, I know he didn't do this to be tough or to seem cool or anything like that. That was that generation. That's just how they were. I actually can't believe that he could be that barbaric and it's pretty frightening considering how sweet he always was to my mother and my sister and I. It's a type of toughness that I don't think anyone (recent generations at least) truly possesses anymore, not in that 'matter-of-fact' way at least. Where it does exist, it's more likely as a symptom of insanity. I'm still in awe of his ability to be fair and decent and yet, when the shit hit the fan or something pissed him off, he could be as tough as nails in a way that seemed almost ignorant of consequences. When you've known someone like that, a bunch of 'boiler room' wannabes, the type of faux tough guy that I can't stand for the life of me and has become prevalent in today's society, just seem like a gnat trying to pretend it's a dragonfly.
The Judge Dredd soundtrack by neonist	Dec 18th, 2006 09:08:46 AM
is kick ass. Cocteau Twins and The Cure on a soundtrack for a Sly sci-fi action movie! Yo, weird.
Cocteau Twins and The Cure are great by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Dec 18th, 2006 09:21:36 AM
In fact the Dredd soundtrack is what got me into both of those bands. Thanks Sly!
Nothing pussifies males more than... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Dec 18th, 2006 09:32:20 AM
...watching Jewel videos. Sorry BSB, but it's twoo. It's time to go back to the cave, boys. Tonight, your reading assignment is "Iron John" by Robert Bly. I'll expect your book reports on my desk by Friday morning.
another thing that bothers me by MCHollow666	Dec 18th, 2006 09:40:54 AM
This is totally random but the fact that Kevin Smith is so insecure that he made almost an entire movie "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" in order to make fun of internet movie fans is really sad. I enjoy his work for the most part, and think he is a funny/intelligent guy, but he needs to get over himself and stop trying to respond to every faceless internet critic. Shit is lame. Also, I don't understand why die-hard sports fans who have every players stats memorized are considered men while die-hard movie fans are considered geeks. What's so manly about being an overweight, beer-drinking slug who lives vicariously through pro-athletes because he misses his childhood when he could actually PLAY sports? That's a double standard that pisses me off to no end. Of course, we're all dealing with stereotypes here to make our points but I think these issues still have validity. One final thing, I don't care how big you are, how many punches you think you can take, how well versed you are in martial artists or any other such qualification. A so-called scrawny weakling can still land an errant punch to your throat during a fight. I don't give a fuck who you are, you're going down. Pre-streetfight predictions are, for the most part, entirely irrelevant. Even the softest punk can hit you with a lucky shot and knock you on your ass. Every fight is like playing russian roulette, thats why you very rarely see one-on-one brawls anymore. There's too much damn self-loathing on this site. Be content to enjoy discussing movies. Aint no shame in it. alright, I'm done
Sly... by KabutoKoji	Dec 18th, 2006 10:00:39 AM
Ever since Rocky, Sylvester Stallone has been a super famous person. Around the world even if a person has never watched any of his movies, they know who he is and know his name. Some think he is a bad actor and makes bad movies. Others think he's underrated as an actor. Others don't care one way or another and don't think about it. But let's make a stand here, let's draw a line on the sand on this Talkback right now. Everyone, but everyone can agree he gave an incredible performance in Cop Land, a very underrated movie. That performance proves that Sly is a good actor and can act. No bad actor can give that performance. Only an actor with talent can give the best performance in a movie with Robert Deniro, Harvey Keitel, Ray Liotta, Robert Patrick, etc. I will always say he was robbed of some awards right there. The more I watch the film, the more I feel that way. Anyone else wanna share their feelings about that performance? And with that...the rest is silence.
"Rocky" is a great example by veritasses	Dec 18th, 2006 10:10:47 AM
of a man becoming/being a Man. It touches on all the core themes: growing up, facing himself and making hard choices, being honorable and loyal, staying true to himself, humility/asking for help, toeing the line and chosing to take on the challenges of the difficult path, striving against the odds and going all out no matter what the cost etc. It's not a movie so much about the sport of boxing as it is about all these themes which is probably why it appeals the most and has endured as a classic for so long.
MCHollow666... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 18th, 2006 11:26:42 AM
i wasnt bragging and im by no means a "tough guy" - someone asked if i thought i could "take" ed norton (the actor not ralph cramden's sidekick) - the question was posed possibly in jest - i answered honestly - but perhaps youre right - maybe i should "off" myself -? - due to my "complex" (as you put it) - stallone made what might be interperrated as "macho claims" in here (what he can lift, etc.) - should he "off" himself too? - your suggestion speaks volumes about you - a suggestion of suicide from a guy with "666" in his screen name? - now thats tough - by the way - i am a huge LOTR fan/geek and i probably CAN beat your ass
and... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 18th, 2006 11:29:49 AM
please - 666 - dont punch me in the throat - your lucky shot might kill me
I thank You my son thanks you by theheavy	Dec 18th, 2006 11:59:47 AM
Im 34 yrs old and since my son was born in 98 I have totally corruped his mind with the art of film,and Rocky is a huge part of that diet considering content and message,Im glad these films exist for me and my son to share and he could not belive he is going to have a chance to see one on the big screen We love ya,...as far as Rocky Baboa being a success my son said it best,..."In The End Rocky always wins ",...
re: abomination by veritasses	Dec 18th, 2006 12:00:40 PM
It's been a while since I've seen the movie so I vaguely remember that scene. My ailing memory aside, that's a good point. You can't write what you don't know about. It takes a man who knows something about being a Man to write a screenplay like Rocky (and First Blood too). It's a testament to Stallone's character for being able to write such a remarkable screenplay way back then.
JimmJoe... by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Dec 18th, 2006 12:05:44 PM
I bet I can beat YOUR ass. Of course I'm just a faceless poster on an internet forum, but thats irrelevant.
damn redsky by MCHollow666	Dec 18th, 2006 12:20:22 PM
You're even more of a bitch than I thought. Did you seriously just catch feelings over the fact that I told you to "off yourself" in a movie website's talkback?sniffle sniffle Nice reply though, very witty and hard-hitting. I almost began to pyschoanalyze myself and question the nature of my existence and almost began to burn myself with cigarettes because your post showed me the truth about myself by pointing out that I coincidentally mentioned suicide and have 666 in my username. It does speak volumes about me, you're right! I never noticed it before. Thanks for cutting to the core of my very being through your astute observations! Fuck outta here, bitch. You make me sick. Time to grow a pair, darlin'
and... by MCHollow666	Dec 18th, 2006 12:23:36 PM
I love how you refute my point and prove it at the same time. Honestly, brilliant stuff. Bravo.
notice... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 18th, 2006 12:32:10 PM
i dont resort to name calling or the use of four letter words - little kids - and - "abstute" is not a word - you mean "obtuse"? - i guess hit a nerve - you sound very angry 666 - ill see you in the next talkback, spaghetti arms
SK909 by DocPazuzu	Dec 18th, 2006 12:33:05 PM
Excellent post. My grandfather was a NYC fireman in the 1930's and 1940's and my dad's stepfather was a U.S. Army infantryman during WWII. My dad's uncles consisted of two Marines and one B-17 co-pilot. Each and every one of them was tougher than a two-dollar steak and wouldn't have hestitated to physically destroy anyone who mistreated them or their families -- which brings me to the other side of their characters, namely their intense love and devotion to said families and general, all-round decency when it came to life in general. My dad was much the same way, although as a result of growing up in an enormously tough neighborhood. I guess that makes me the poster boy for the third-generation wuss-out.... sigh...
oh.. "astute"... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 18th, 2006 12:37:01 PM
now i look even dumber - english is my second language - after 30 some yrs youd think id know more words - god bless america
this movie.... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 18th, 2006 12:42:33 PM
will do very well - its got a built in fan base and good word of mouth - but nowadays a movie seems o live or die depending on its opening weekend - one thing it has going for it is it will attract more than just the 18-30 something demographic - original rocky fans are older - theyll come out in droves to see it
good point by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 18th, 2006 12:51:11 PM
but that same arguement can be made about just about any movie based on any recent (20th century) war - those are a form of entertainment too - and studios make millions off of them - but youre right - its weird - i played the older COD games for pc - its easy to zone out and forget that youre getting a rush from pretending to kill nazis during a war that really happened - but its fun (cant deny it)
Has anyone ever made a ww2 game where... by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Dec 18th, 2006 01:01:06 PM
You play a Nazi and wipe out allied forces, I wonder how that would go down.
JimmyJoe RedSky by DocPazuzu	Dec 18th, 2006 01:04:46 PM
Which is why I prefer games like Return to Castle Wolfenstein, where you not only get to kill Nazis, but also zombies, mutants, demons and fight hot chicks in tight leather.
Men "staying boys longer than they should". by GibsonUSA Returns	Dec 18th, 2006 01:06:51 PM
It's a balance. You want everyone to have a childhood. You want everyone as kids to just be kids, to not even think about anything but being a kid and creating memories. You only get your childhood once, the ability to be completely immature once and look the part...and not a sec. of that should be taken away. Another thing, let's not correlate someone liking childish hobbies with "not growing up". In his spare time my dad still laughs his ass off at cartoons (Bugs Bunny), goes nuts with the Nintendo Wii, and randomly dances like an idiot to foolish music looking like a kid in the process. Yet he has clearly paid his dues...one of those "arrive in the city with a couple of bucks in my pocket" and worked from a laborer all the way up to an executive type deals....He's earned the right to do what he wants, play Nintendo, whatever. Hobbies are a separate item.
Yeah I've had it with WWII shooters by Ricky Henderson	Dec 18th, 2006 01:14:16 PM
Vastly unoriginal. Haven't we fought every single WWII battle there was to fight by now? People have a very strong sense nostalgia for that era, even if they haven't lived to see it. Truth is, it was a horrific psyche shattering event. I like my games (Zelda) as far removed from reality as possible--isn't that the whole point in the first place? If I want to learn more about the blitzkreig (and I don't) I'll flip on the History Channel for my 24/7 coverage of the nazis war machine in action, thank you very much. Mike Tyson's Punch Out is also the best game ever made. Just thought you should all know.
RE: Jewel Rulez by Mr. Nice Gaius	Dec 18th, 2006 01:16:49 PM
BSB, if Jewel's ham-fisted songwriting and pop-industry stylings are what it takes to melt your "warrior" heart, then godspeed. Personally, I'll take Leslie Feist ANYDAY.
Pazuzu by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 18th, 2006 01:19:48 PM
yes - wolfenstein was cool - as ridiculous as the premise was, it still creeped me out - getting cornered and all - i wonder if dr. boll plans on doing a movie version - and - i agree with you gibson - i still collect comics and toys - my brothers father inlaw is a model train nut - i dont get on the floor and play with my action figures (but im tempted sometimes) - im holding on to my "childish" side - i left it for a whle in my 20s - but it (or I) came back
SK909 & DocPazuzu - Nice posts. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Dec 18th, 2006 01:27:47 PM
I suppose one could say that your (and others') relatives came from a time when "men were men". But that's before the time of lawsuits, anger management therapy, the "judge-jury-executioner" mentality of the blogosphere, and emasculating sitcoms.
And I can't believe no one picked up on... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Dec 18th, 2006 01:30:18 PM
...my "Iron John" reference! That's a $1,000 reference right there!
RockyBalboa CD by WatchtheWatcher	Dec 18th, 2006 01:54:34 PM
Geez... what is wrong with Sony? They're actually just repackaging the same tracks we could have bought all this time instead of giving us the new music Bill Conti composed for Rocky 6? Maybe Varase Saraband will pick it up or at least a boot will leak out or something...
...spell check for "bukkake" comes up "Hanukkah" by Ricky Henderson	Dec 18th, 2006 01:54:40 PM
its fantastically true.
google "failure" and g.w. bush appears... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 18th, 2006 01:58:07 PM
right at the top of the list - its true - try it
i thought a measure of a man by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 18th, 2006 02:02:07 PM
was based on size - my "measurement" is as large (and shaped like) a barber poll - same color scheme too - im a "special" man
Anyone see.. by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Dec 18th, 2006 02:03:43 PM
That screengrab of a spellcheck where grandparenting came up as "grandpa renting" that made me chuckle.
nice post abomination by Ricky Henderson	Dec 18th, 2006 02:04:28 PM
methinks you should start up a fight club.
try doing yardwork... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Dec 18th, 2006 02:23:02 PM
with a firehose tied around you
Well I'd say join the National Guard, but... by Ricky Henderson	Dec 18th, 2006 02:44:10 PM
That's probably not the best thing to do right now. You're right abominate--most guys of our generation (I'm 27 and in a similiar situation) have settled down and are faced with a massive dose of boredom. Who doesn't long for a chance to do something mindblowingly heroic? Granted, its a cliche, but its true. People need to do things to keep the blood pumping every now and then. Have you ever considered hunting human beings for sport? Man is truly the most dangerous game of all. Or if you're feeling less ambitious, volunteer at a local fire department. A lot of guy I know do it and really find it to be rewarding. That and meerkat baiting.
Weird. I googled "Bloodsucking Whore" and gotDemon Dave by Puddleglum	Dec 18th, 2006 03:22:41 PM
's webpage.
I Googled "Bloodsucking Whore" and got BRANDON COLEMAN. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Dec 18th, 2006 03:27:01 PM
Brandon (aka Cousin Filthy), dude seriously, get fucked. No one is watching your movie and no one gives a damn. This little spam game you keep playing with AICN's Mods is beyond tiresome. Give it up. Put your apparently limitless time and resources into something more useful...like picking up trash alongside our major highways. I expect your banishment will be delivered any second now...
I Googled "Bloodsucking Whore" and got "MCVLIIII" by Ricky Henderson	Dec 18th, 2006 03:36:22 PM
or whatever that jackasses' name is...
I Googled "Bloodsucking Whore" and got "MCVLIIII" by Ricky Henderson	Dec 18th, 2006 03:38:09 PM
or whatever that jackasses' name is...
goddamnit all to hell by Ricky Henderson	Dec 18th, 2006 03:39:12 PM
this is all that moron's fault.
BSB by Mr. Nice Gaius	Dec 18th, 2006 04:13:15 PM
Take back what I said about Jewel?! Ha, not bloody likely! Back in the day when I worked at Tower Records (RIP), we used to read dramatic excerpts from her book of poetry ("A Night Without Armor") over the store intercom - much to the amusement of the staff and customers therein. But it was all over when she started wearing nothing but bras in her music vidoes and giving come-hither looks as if to say, "Look at my enormous Germanic bosom!!!". I mean for crying out loud, she's doing Miller Lite commercials now! Sorry BSB. But Jewel cashed in her street-cred check LONG ago.
I blame college by CherryValance	Dec 18th, 2006 04:15:42 PM
I'm not a man so I can't explain your unmanliness to you. But I don't exactly feel like a full-fledged adult either. I think college delays adulthood for as long as your in it. And then you belong to the bank until that money is paid back, whenever the hell that is. You're not your own person until you can truly make your own decisions. So your life is being dictated to you but instead of by a parent it's SallieMae. I've never felt in control at all. But my last coupon book came and instead of going all the way to July it stops at April. That's my last payment. I'm holding my breath until then. But when it comes, I'm going to start cracking skulls.
Article in USAToday... by idahomer	Dec 18th, 2006 04:18:35 PM
Front page of Sly. Good stuff. Regarding Men and Manliness, I do believe we have lost a part of that, but I'd say it has to do with responsibility. Too many people don't want it in our more urban lifestyles. Easier to call in sick to a desk job than a farm job. Easier to hand your kid a Xbox than to take them hunting. Easier to have the govt save for your retirement than having to create a budget.
sirslangthang@sbcglobal.net by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Dec 18th, 2006 04:21:38 PM
Brandan Holemans email for all your spamming needs, sirslangthang@sbcglobal.net
Google 'gay orgy' and this TB appears by Doctor_Sin	Dec 18th, 2006 04:48:43 PM
Jewel just plain fucking sucks. Can we move the fuck on?
I can kick all your asses combined? by Almost_Human	Dec 18th, 2006 04:54:50 PM
BSB. tsk tsk tsk. One of the first lessons they teach at a good martial arts school is that there is ALWAYS someone who can kick your ass. That Justin Timberlake is rotting your mind. It is a subtle degradation to the mirror neurons in your brain caused by the timbre of his voice. It could spread to your medulla oblongata if left untreated. That would be messy. Consider this an intervention by a fiend, er, friend.
And by Almost_Human	Dec 18th, 2006 05:01:58 PM
Jewel may be spankable in a sorta hippy chick kinda way, but she does suck. As a song writer Suzanne Vega kicks her ass.
I will concede by Almost_Human	Dec 18th, 2006 06:12:29 PM
that Jewel probably smells nice.
Copland was great... by lynxpro	Dec 18th, 2006 06:20:03 PM
Especially when Michael Rappaport jumped off the bridge. I seriously can't stand that guy. Why hasn't his show on Fox been cancelled yet? But seriously, Stallone was great in that flick. It is definitely underrated. But as for his action flicks, I like Cliffhanger the most.
The Vern CHAOS DVD link by Mr. Nice Gaius	Dec 18th, 2006 07:34:40 PM
http://tinyurl.com/qkczf Sad ly, it appears that AICN's site revisions have pretty much gutted this TB. Nearly all the posts are gone. That is truly a shame since it was a TB of historic proportions. BSB - remember, Google is your friend. Once search is all it took. ;)
David Huffman was killed in BALBOA PARK, CALIFORNIA!! by King Conan	Dec 18th, 2006 07:41:07 PM
Some really weird shit! Sly made reference to the murder of one of his costars from F.I.S.T. So I did some research on it and came to find out that he was killed in 1985 in Balboa Park, San Diego California. Stabbed to death after trying to stop a theif. What a coincidence.
lynxpro by MCHollow666	Dec 18th, 2006 07:57:49 PM
I sympathize entirely with your Michael Rappaport hatred. The War at Home is probably the most unfunny piece of shit sitcom I have ever seen. With one added benefit to its existence, it makes The Simpsons look like its still a good show.
A True Inspiration by spideysly	Dec 18th, 2006 08:12:17 PM
Around 1986, with Barbara Walters you mentioned that " Quitting is easy. Living is tough." With the lives of Rambo/Rocky, I learned what the true meanings of persistance and never ' giving up '. I just wanted to thank you for getting me ' out of my shell ', and I hope that Rocky Balboa will continue to inspire my sons in the next generation to learn ' to go the distance '. Many thanks. Steve Bloom (37 yo) Ottawa, Canada
Michael Rappaport by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies	Dec 18th, 2006 08:15:46 PM
Missed out on what would have been the highpoint of his career by failing to ironically star in "I'm Not Rappaport."
Awww, he was via satellite by Binkysguy	Dec 18th, 2006 08:20:12 PM
I was hoping Sly was going to be at RAW live and bodyslam someone! Ah, well...
I agree...Sly, Harry and Celeste should write a book. by super Cucaracha	Dec 18th, 2006 08:21:52 PM
It could very well be a best seller. Please include Celeste pictures.
It's very cliche but it's true Sly. I agree with you. by super Cucaracha	Dec 18th, 2006 08:24:53 PM
Everybody should follow their guts. We're just here for a small period of time. We can't waist time. God knows I am also guilty of it.
You guys might be making Sly mad...... by GibsonUSA Returns	Dec 18th, 2006 08:36:36 PM
Talking about Celeste like that. I mean, she could be his relative, or godddaughter or something. He's gonna come whip your ass. :P
Sorry for the interview - RAW is WAR by Johnny Kovac	Dec 18th, 2006 08:44:57 PM
The interview on RAW is war was horrible. They didn't even show the "right" clips they were given. They were supposed to show the full clips of the training montage, the AJ Benza clip in Adrian's restaurant, and the full movie trailer and not the edited version. That was awful. We were disappointed in the interview conducted by the KING. Horrible - horrible -trite questions. we were told that the KING would ask interesting questions. It was horrible and Sly was not happy although as usual he was gracious. After Sly went out of his way to induct Hulk Hogan into the WWE Hall of Fame - the least that the organziation could have done is treated Sly with respect in stead of screwing him and forgetting to show even the minimum clips. Vince needs to get his organization right George Bush's moranic nephew (Billy Bush) is Tim Russert compared to the KING. We should have had Harry conduct the interview.
Johnny Kovac - how do you know all this? by GibsonUSA Returns	Dec 18th, 2006 08:49:21 PM
How do you know what was SUPPOSED to happen on Raw? And who's "we"?
The Vin Scully vs Sly Story - Here's the deal by Johnny Kovac	Dec 18th, 2006 08:59:46 PM
Sly was Vin Scully's neighbor. Vin is a nice man on TV but as a neighbor - he is a bigger pain in the ass than George Washington Duke and Buddy from Rocky I. You know the expression - "Same people hate for no reason". Will as Vince from Chez Ravine would say..."Pull up a chair....and let me tell you a story" And believe me - Vin was every bit of a pain in the butt as Paulie could be. Vinnie is a habitual litigator. While Sly was recovering from his bruised heart during the Rocky IV filming - Vince sued Sly for 7 million dollars. At the end of the day after seven years of litigation- Vince received 69,000 dollars - he paid more in his legal fees just to harass Sly. Sly even tried to talk to TOmmy Lasorda aka Tommy Lasagna to ask Vinnie to chill. Although tempted - Sly never made a call to Frank Sinatra. One call - and all of Vin Scully's litigation goes away. But - Sly waited because he needed Frankie's help to greenlight Rocky V in the late 80's after Over the Top and Tango and Cash tanked.
Reagan's favorite all-time movie ..One of Sly's by Johnny Kovac	Dec 18th, 2006 09:13:25 PM
ROnald Reagan was a movie buff. Although used as political propoganda - Reagan's favorite Sly movie was neither Rambo II or Rocky. That was used by his henchmen to further political means. I think Reagan liked First Blood for the sheer adrenaline rush (I mean Reagan worked out every day doing bench presses and curls after the assasination so you know he tell had kind of manly side). I mean compared to George Bush - whose idea of exercise was playing horeshoes with his rich wasp friends. I wish saw George Bush throw a horseshoe and he looked like freaking Katherine Hepburne playing lawn cricket. Maureen Reagan, Reagan's oldest daugther now deceased, said that her father adored the 1978 film "Paradise Alley". Apparently in his later years before Alzeimer's robbed him of his mind, he had a worn VHS copy of Paradise Alley that whe would play over and over again at Rancho Cielo. I guess his favorite character was Kid Salami and he enjoyed the character's wresting ability and overall child-like nature. Reagan was fond of animals and he enjoyed the monkey and the Pet bird in the movie. In one of her last interviews - Maureen Reagan said she watched Paradise Alley with the President and that he cried during the scene where the Wrestler , Old Glory, committs suicide after losing the match to Kid Salami. It was one of the few tims she remembers him crying. One can't help but feel that Reagan saw himself in the loneliness and hopelessness that Old Glory felt - so sad. I wonder if Reagan continued to watch Paradise Alley in the final days of his life.... The other Stallone flick he liked was FIST since Reagan was a union man. I never did this but i think the Reagan library has an archive of all of Reagan's personal VHS tapes in his collection and the Stallone films are the only ones he has after the year 1965. Pretty impressive.
Yackbacker...and BSB... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Dec 18th, 2006 09:49:42 PM
"Are you and MNG BFFs?" - Ha! No, I wouldn't got that far. But BSB and I did share a lot of mutual thoughts on the mid-term elections. And, as he has stated, we also enjoyed a good trouncing of Don Murphy and his alter-ego "PharteGodd". But after I got Jar Jar 4 Prez and harysuxafatone banned, I decided not to stay out of any potential Flame Wars for awhile. I mean, I'll still throw BSB a zinger every now and again...but that's only because I know he's good for it. Cheers.
ROCKY is back! by ross63	Mar 26th, 2007 09:49:19 AM
I'm an Italian woman, and I would tkanks Mr. Stallone for saying HE IS A 100% ITALIAN MAN. I love him very much and I saw all his Rocky's movies maybe 10 times!!!Bye Bye!!

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