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First? Maybe?
by Seph_J
Dec 14th, 2006
11:01:56 PM
Pirate 3 should be good! or else.
IS CAPTAIN PANAKA IN THIS ONE?
by BNITT
Dec 14th, 2006
11:03:40 PM
He would be perfect with his one eyed patch!
CAPTAIN PANAKA RULES!!!
by BNITT
Dec 14th, 2006
11:04:37 PM
Such a great actor. His cynical motive and his one eye patch I find unduanting.
Saw both of these last week
by zacdilone
Dec 14th, 2006
11:04:38 PM
Where's the g*dd*m trailer?
6th!
by slicer
Dec 14th, 2006
11:04:59 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm totally jazzed about POTC3!!! (and I thought 2 rocked! Screw all you haters out there, it was a good flick!)
I thought Sio Bibble was much more negative...
by Seph_J
Dec 14th, 2006
11:05:48 PM
... "Communication disruption can mean only one thing... INVASION!!" ....err, maybe the batteries went dead?.... "But Panaka was not particularly hopeful was he... "This is a battle I do not think that we can win!".... just what you want to hear..... Oh, and like I said... Pirates 3 SHOULD be good - but... it probably wont be.
PotC2 sucked.....
by GibsonUSA Returns
Dec 14th, 2006
11:07:17 PM
But I have faith in this one. This may be the movie of 07.
You're not only nerd, Alkohal
by CTU Mole
Dec 14th, 2006
11:08:37 PM
You're ass backwards. Anyway, I liked POTC2 in the theater but fell asleep watching it on DVD. It's a little boring with repeat viewings.
If anyone seriously misses Panaka,
by Seph_J
Dec 14th, 2006
11:10:34 PM
he is on the BBC drama Holby. His demeanor is the same, and he still carries his winch-gun thing.
Top one looks fake
by Durendal
Dec 14th, 2006
11:11:01 PM
Seriously, the chick in the middle (Elizabeth?) looks like a crappy CGI face or an action figure. The second one is pretty sweet, though.
So Barbossa and Jack are on the same side again, eh?
by Zeke25:17
Dec 14th, 2006
11:22:42 PM
Inriguing, that...and damn if Elizabeth Swann doesn't look ten steps closer to becoming MRS. Sparrow...but WHEREZ THE KEITH RICHARDS PIC?
Panaka is the lamest character
by white owl
Dec 14th, 2006
11:28:55 PM
.. and it certainly was TYPHO who had the patch. DUH. Ever seen Episode 1?
Sio Bibble was full of bad tidings...
by GiggityGoo
Dec 14th, 2006
11:33:15 PM
"It's outrageous, that even after four trials in the Senate, Nute Gunray is *still* the Viceroy of the Trading Guild."
Asian pirates > Dragons
by Doctor_Sin
Dec 15th, 2006
12:04:27 AM
I am so ready for this movie!
Part III
by malcolm_mccallum
Dec 15th, 2006
12:12:04 AM
Princess Liea's slave girl costume isn't as sexy but at least its there. Or is that her bounty Hunter costume? Chow Yun-Fat as Jabba the Hutt?
Kudos to ILM! ILM > Weta
by DarthDooku
Dec 15th, 2006
12:32:39 AM
It's about time people once again realize how great ILM is. All that talk about Weta has been driving ILM's reputation down, despite it being on par, if not better, than Weta's effects. Seriously, SW: EpIII was almost entirely CG, yet didn't recieve an Oscar. Hopefully ILM will get a deserved nomination and win for Pirates of the Caribbean 2.
pics have been around, better quality now
by DarthDooku
Dec 15th, 2006
12:33:39 AM
The pics have been around, but these are the best quality i've seen em. Really liking Elizabeth's apparel.
wow
by BadMrWonka
Dec 15th, 2006
12:36:06 AM
couldn't care less about pics from this one, but I will definitely see the flick. saw dead man's chest in theaters and I could immediately see why it was gonna be huge. it was good harmless fun that adults could stomach and chuckle at, and crazy funny shit for kids. so when the kids want to go see it again the next day, the parents, instead of grumbling and making an excuse, will acquiesce and suck it up. hard to write, hard to execute, hard to do in general. kudos to them. it was good enough that I'm gonna see this opening day no matter what. fun for me, money in the bank for them. again, fucking genius.
Panaka = TPM. Typho (Patch) = AOTC and ROTS
by DarthDooku
Dec 15th, 2006
12:36:16 AM
Panaka was in TPM. Typho was in AOTC and ROTS. And Typho had the patch. MTFBWY!!!
Saw these on IGN two days ago...
by nomihs
Dec 15th, 2006
01:02:34 AM
Along with a third pic with Gore (the director) Verbinski. Really enjoyed POTC 2 on DVD. Better than in the theater. POTC 3 is going to kill in the theater as well.
Weren't these pics one or two weeks ago on Coming Soon?
by DerLanghaarige
Dec 15th, 2006
01:05:57 AM
Arrr...Torture Porn...
Captain Panaka
by Franklin T Marmoset
Dec 15th, 2006
01:59:26 AM
That Captain Panaka was so annoying he was actually pretty funny.

Everyone: 'What do you think, Captain Panaka?'

Captain Panaka: 'I think this is a very bad idea, same as I bloody well always do!'

Everyone: 'Oh, fuck off.'

P.S. I suppose I'm looking forward to Pirates 3, if only to find out what happens. 2 was a bit of let down, I thought.

Don't mess up Chow's hottie factor
by superninja
Dec 15th, 2006
02:00:19 AM
I'm not liking that picture of my man.
Davy Jones was a great character.
by superninja
Dec 15th, 2006
02:01:34 AM
I enjoyed the second film, can't wait to see where all the characters end up in the 3rd. Hopefully there will be more suprises than cliches, but if they be cliches, let them be well done!
Bald Chow = Bald John McClane....
by GibsonUSA Returns
Dec 15th, 2006
02:04:11 AM
Chow Yun Fat was an asian stud in his time. He can hang with Depp. So what do they do? They shave his head and give him that beard. Burt he will still kick ass.
He looks scarred, like his head was boiled
by superninja
Dec 15th, 2006
02:09:07 AM
in oil. Isn't his character supposed to be a demon?
I like Elisabeth's costume as well.
by superninja
Dec 15th, 2006
02:13:58 AM
Good design. It looks very feminine, despite its shape.
Did Chow Yun Fat get fat?
by Klaus Herzog
Dec 15th, 2006
02:50:05 AM
Just asking
No doubt
by deanamatronix
Dec 15th, 2006
02:53:54 AM
this film will be as shit as the other two
asians
by aaron0matic
Dec 15th, 2006
03:08:00 AM
make life awsome
is that Orlando Bloom or Keira Knightley in the middle?
by Seph_J
Dec 15th, 2006
03:49:44 AM
Im beginning to think that the trade federation had its reason for attacking a planet full of people like Sio Bibble and Captain 'just kill me' Panaka. I bet trying to discuss trade routes and issues of tourism to Naboo with them was something they dreaded.
Kerching.
by Reelheed
Dec 15th, 2006
04:43:39 AM
I can hear the cash registers ringing already.
Are these movies worth watching?
by playahatersball
Dec 15th, 2006
04:51:58 AM
Haven't seen them yet. I kinda don't care for pirates. Or Johnny Depp. Or Orlando Bloom. So yeah, considering that, are they worth watching?
keira knightley is
by roccotheripper
Dec 15th, 2006
04:54:45 AM
gross. she looks like an abuse victim and way too skinny. plus she's a slut in these movies. why make a love triangle? jack sparrow clearly doesnt give a shit about anyone, it's so pointless
Um...pics are MONTHS old...
by Negative Man
Dec 15th, 2006
04:56:40 AM
...seriously months old.
If anyone seriously misses Panaka...
by newc0253
Dec 15th, 2006
05:12:52 AM
then they need serious help. that guy was literally the dullest character from the dullest star wars film. he epitomised the dullness of TPM.
Captain Panaka Rapes Babys
by DOGSOUP
Dec 15th, 2006
05:38:11 AM
It's true, Jeffery Jones had pics on his computer.
I - mediocre. II - bad. III...?
by JackPumpkinhead
Dec 15th, 2006
05:55:55 AM
And then IV - Pirates of the Caribbean versus Starship Troopers of the Terran. That will be a blast.
The Golden Rule of Panaka
by alfiemoon
Dec 15th, 2006
06:21:37 AM
http://theforce.net/humor/thed ugsreport/supernova/supernova0 41702.asp
I can't imagine this being any less than fun...
by beastie
Dec 15th, 2006
06:31:26 AM
Just like the first two, I'm willing to bet that this has all of our childhood pirate fantasies coupled with good performances by Depp and Rush. I'm really looking foward to seeing Rush again.
Beastie, are you serious?
by playahatersball
Dec 15th, 2006
06:35:31 AM
This movie is going to feature the Three Man Army? Geddy Lee? Neal Pert? That other guy? Does the movie feature Geddy's private jet in the shape of a bass guitar with a giant swooping owl painted on the front? If only!
Setting it in Asia could only mean...
by Spazwankle
Dec 15th, 2006
07:09:47 AM
Ninjas vs. Pirates! Place your bets.
So those pics are nasty?
by Nice Marmot
Dec 15th, 2006
07:20:46 AM
I was almost underwhelmed enough to post the "m" word.
Ninjas vs Pirates
by nemesisdarkside
Dec 15th, 2006
07:37:57 AM
The Ultimate Geek Fantasy Film, or is it lacking Killer Robots and Bruce Campbell and the direction of James Cameron? ;P
playahatersball
by beastie
Dec 15th, 2006
08:17:52 AM
I'm dense this early in the morning. It took me about a minute and a half to get the joke. It was good once I got it, though.
:SPOILER:
by ClarkWayne
Dec 15th, 2006
08:23:43 AM
okay well if you possibly didnt catch this in the second one...the crazy jamacan who brushes her teeth with tar is the lover that broke davy jones' heart. They both have the same locket if you pay attention it makes perfect sense...well at least i think so...someone give me validation...plus...is orlando dead....(please please please)...cuz i dont see him here with the way too badass looking chow yun fat
It still cracks me up...
by DocPazuzu
Dec 15th, 2006
08:36:05 AM
...when talkbackers haven't caught on to BNITT's brilliantly annoying one-track trollism after all this time. Funny stuff.
Here's some validation, ClarkeWayne:
by Franklin T Marmoset
Dec 15th, 2006
08:43:20 AM
You are a very beautiful man. Also, according to the writers' commentary on the Dead Man's Chest DVD, the locket is supposed to be a subtle giveaway, so I reckon you're right. They also make mention of Jack Sparrow's return in At World's End as having something to do with the idea of a God being born from the death of a human (I think this is what was those natives were up to on pointless plot diversion island), but I'm not too sure what that means. They were being pretty coy at that point.
It's wierd that AICN still hasn't put up the poster.
by beastie
Dec 15th, 2006
08:48:49 AM
Why? Yeah, it's bland, but I think it's fitting in this subject.
Also, on the Pirates topic
by Franklin T Marmoset
Dec 15th, 2006
08:55:35 AM
I believe this new Pirates Of The Caribbean will arrive on our puny planet like some humongous, interplanetary cash vacuuming machine. It will be an instrument of plunder the likes of which the world has never seen, possibly putting an end to several of the smaller economies in the developed world. Sew up your wallets before this one is released, Ain't It Cool types, or you may be facing bankruptcy.
FLAMES ON DEAD UNDEAD MONKEY=NIPPLES ON KIERA KNIGHTLEY
by whoopdeedoo
Dec 15th, 2006
09:09:53 AM
PLANT! TOO SOON! HARRY HATES FOX! FIRST! And all the other usual Talkback nonsense... yeah I'm in a mood. Can't wait for this film though. The 2nd got me all teary-eyed in anticipation.
PIRATES II WAS GREAT ON THE BIG SCREEN!
by kinghenryVIII
Dec 15th, 2006
09:18:31 AM
But I bought the DVD and fell asleep watching it. MIght have been different if I hadn't drank 2 bottles of wine prior and during though. Might have to try it again sober. These pic's look good though and it's the best trilogy to come for a while. Looking forward to this but would love to read a script reveiw.
"EpIII was almost entirely CG, didn't recieve an Oscar"
by TheAllSeeingEye
Dec 15th, 2006
09:28:34 AM
Exactly. Any old effects company can generate a nearly entire CG world; Computer game developers have been doing it for afew years now. I can't recall what the last truly special thing ILM came up with that redefined CG in movies. People at WETA are commited artists and enthusiasts who love their work; the people at ILM are a bunch of yes men who can't wait to be asked to appear on the extras section of a DVD. Until ILM come up with something that redefines CG, (and no, the 3D movie shit is not that groundbreaking; least till every cinema in the world can show it), then WETA will get all the kudos. As for Ep3's lack of an oscar, the rest of the movie being a pile of shit probably contributed greatly to its lack of a nomination.
CG effects in movies
by beastie
Dec 15th, 2006
09:42:52 AM
I think that the Academy needs to start considering films that use special effects to further the story instead of just what is the most technical. You may hate Forrest Gump, but the special effects in that movie were brilliant. They didn't show off anything, and most people didn't even notice that there were special effects. Pleasantville also had Oscar worthy effects. I would like the Academy to start recognizing films like these. I'm glad Ep. III didn't get a SF nod and I even enjoyed the movie. I think Sin City should have gotten that Oscar last year.
you've ruined it
by StovetopStuffin'
Dec 15th, 2006
09:43:36 AM
I thought Johnny Depp was killed in the last one and this one was just going to ride on the star power of Orlando Bloom!! Dammit, now I know Depp comes back. Totally spoiled for me! Way to go!
Am I the only one noticed DMC was an incoherent mess?
by eg4190
Dec 15th, 2006
09:46:43 AM
I felt like I was taking crazy pills. Surely nobody else saw the movie and came away with a clear understanding of each characters' motivations, or the implications of each faction attaining their goals (whatever they might have been). That's not a good thing for a movie which centers around a beating heart in a treasure chest. I really wanted to like the movie too. The sad thing is, I now feel obligated to see the third one just to find out what the hell happened in the second one.
EG, you weren't taking crazy pills
by occula
Dec 15th, 2006
11:05:10 AM
i, too, was transported into an alternate universe where i felt like i was the only person yelling 'wait - this is not a good movie! wait - no, really! not good! anybody? bueller?' that being said, these pictures have been on the internet for yes, months.
I too, was not in to Dead Man's Chest
by Spandau Belly
Dec 15th, 2006
11:57:49 AM
Dead Man's Chest has redefined the industry standard of running a paper-thin plot around in circles to pad out half a movie into two movies.
Where's Keith Richards?
by PwnedByStallone
Dec 15th, 2006
12:12:49 PM
it would be hilarious if they had a scene of him falling out of a cocounut tree. that would be GOLD!
Hmm
by Smashing
Dec 15th, 2006
12:17:09 PM
I hated D.M.C at the cinema but on DVD have grown to really enjoy it, there is a lot of little moments that if your m not paying attention, sali right by, it is a good film, overly complex and it takes shed loads of liberties but enjoyable non the less. Still think Superman Returns was a better piece of cinema though.
Maybe it's the bald head
by OGREISHERE
Dec 15th, 2006
12:38:31 PM
But I think Chow is channeling Yul Bryner in that pic.
Am I the only one noticed DMC was an incoherent mess?
by FilmNerdJamie
Dec 15th, 2006
12:38:45 PM
No you weren't, eg4190. Pirates 2 is definitely on my Top 10 Worst of 2006 list.
Hooray!
by Mechasheeva
Dec 15th, 2006
12:41:31 PM
More rampant orientalism at the hands of Disney! Everybody rejoice at what's sure to be an engrish-filled good time!
Anybody remember when these were fake?
by Vern
Dec 15th, 2006
12:45:13 PM
I can't find the thread but a couple of these photos that are now in Entertainment Weekly and shit were posted here during the summer, and there was a thread where about 50 hilariously arrogant photoshop nerds explained in intimate detail why they knew for sure, with their expertise, that only a moron would believe they were real photos. Even though they were, in fact, real photos. I would love to read over those again for some good times but I can't seem to find it. (I don't know if anybody else has noticed but it works better to just type in random URLs than to use the search engine on here.)
STFU
by potvsktl
Dec 15th, 2006
12:50:57 PM
Could you idiots stop talking about Star Wars for 5 minutes of your lives? Pathetic.
I too am sick of Johnny Depp.
by superninja
Dec 15th, 2006
12:56:22 PM
But I liked DMC. And I like Chow Yun Fat and Geoffrey Rush and can't wait to see how Elisabeth's story ends up.
I found that article, Vern, but not the Talkback.
by Ringwearer9
Dec 15th, 2006
01:06:38 PM
http://www.aintitcool.com/node /23890 Edit out the AICN-inserted space. But without the Talkback it's useless. If anyone knows how to link to the talkback comments for that, let me know.
MOOLAH ... WANT ... BOY
by durhay
Dec 15th, 2006
01:36:33 PM
Plant! Fake! Mockery!
by Doctor_Sin
Dec 15th, 2006
01:37:06 PM
There, it's out of my system. Vern - you and I share that name, oddly enough - please hunt and destroy arrogant photoshop nerds. Please!
DMC was great, but inaccessible for many
by sapno_krei
Dec 15th, 2006
02:40:12 PM
I loved DMC, but I'd be first to admit the movie is a chore to follow unless you're up-to-date on the story threads from POTC 1. In DMC, everyone is after the Chest for specific goals, some of which were established in the first movie. The screenplay expects the audience to be able to pick up the various character threads as if they've just finished watching the first movie. I don't blame the screenwriters for pushing the story forward so breathlessly, however. Expositions sucks, and RE-exposition is even worse.
Vern points out the crappiness of the search engine.
by jollysleeve
Dec 15th, 2006
03:25:15 PM
Maybe one of the big-wigs at AICN will take notice now. The "new" (actually several months old now) search engine at AICN is FUCKING USELESS. There is NO way to refine your parameters, or to narrow results. Typing quotes doesn't seem to matter. The more specific you try to be (the more words you type) the more results you get. It's fucking useless. Goddamnit, is there anyone at AICN reading this? Is there anyone at AICN that cares, that because of the crappiness of the search engine, all of the news articles more than 4 weeks old are virtually unretrievable?
TheAllSeeingEye
by dtpena
Dec 15th, 2006
04:13:08 PM
you're damn right!!
Chow-Yun Fat, baby!
by KCMOSHer
Dec 15th, 2006
05:30:13 PM
Okay, seeing Chow-Yun Fat in that photo just made me turgid. Bad fucking ass.
Can't wait...
by SWR 77
Dec 15th, 2006
05:54:08 PM
I'm really looking forward to the pirate conclave and the explanation for Barbossa's return. Chow Yun Fat's character looks he's been through some rough times... Sparrow, by the way, clearly does care (some) because he saves Elizabeth at the start of the first film.
Depp=Rules....Chow=Rules
by GibsonUSA Returns
Dec 15th, 2006
06:08:27 PM
You=Suck. You many punches in the face would they have to endure to look like you?
Spoiler!
by FuzzyWhisper
Dec 15th, 2006
07:38:47 PM
Jack Sparrow and Captain Barbossa are still alive! *cough* Anyway, yeah. Keira looks delectable as usual, and Rush, Depp and Chow-Yun Fat are all utterly badass. Cool stuff. Can't wait for the film.
Vern - arrogant photoshop nerds, like Durendal up there
by half vader
Dec 15th, 2006
09:37:43 PM
? + ;)
Chow Yun Fat
by Freefinger
Dec 15th, 2006
10:58:41 PM
Just liked writing that... Funny words... Sounds like... dunno.. just funny... ooooooh.. more pills.. gotta go...
POTC2 ..........
by Evil_Imp
Dec 15th, 2006
11:30:48 PM
Was the lamest Slapschticky POS i've seen in a long While,(yawn) and it's on it's way to being the best selling DVD ever?! WOW! Truly an unispired Paycheck for all involved.
Why Ep:III didn't win and Johnny depp
by streakerfreak1983
Dec 16th, 2006
12:15:25 AM
Star Wars Ep:III never won an oscar for special effects because they sucked. I hate CGI when used like that. It felt nothing like the orginal three. Instead it looked like some high end video game. The best CGI is when you have no clue it is CGI. Oh and too all you Depp haters, screw you. Next to Connery he is my second favorite actor. He compelety becomes the character. Unlike someone like Cage who what we see is what we get everytime, with Depp we have never seen Johnny Depp on screenn we always see the charater he is playing. I hope that makes sense. Granted he has had his duds(The Ninth Gate) but he always gives us another great performance. Well everyone has a right to there views, but it still frustrates me.
Ep.I - Panaka, EP.II - Typho
by Veni Vidi Vici
Dec 16th, 2006
12:41:26 AM
Alkohal "PANAKA REPLACED TYPHO BECAUSE TYPHO WANTED A BIGGER PART AND LUCAS SAID NO. TYPHO = EP 1 WITH EYE PATCH, PANAKA = EP 2/3 NO PATCH. FUCK IM A NERD!" actually you're wrong. it's the other way around.
I guess if all your characters are turning into
by superninja
Dec 16th, 2006
12:50:23 AM
Michael Jackson, then okay.
Finally more people who disliked DMC
by MattFini
Dec 16th, 2006
01:28:01 AM
I thought I was actually the only one. I enjoyed the first and looked forward to the second...it was just a joyless mess. And people on this site shat all over Superman Returns...
How the hell do you use SEARCH here?
by Jugs
Dec 16th, 2006
01:38:29 AM
It used to be good but now all I get is a white box with Search written in it and no link to anywhere if you try and click it.
You thought "Dead Man's Chest" was bad?
by Jarados
Dec 16th, 2006
01:55:31 AM
Really? Because it was the Number 6 highest grossing film of all time. So, you sure WENT TO SEE IT enough times...
THANK YOU MICHAEL BAY
by skynetbauxi
Dec 16th, 2006
04:20:04 AM
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/ 1808716430/photo/970420325
That chick doesn't look like Kiera Knightley
by scrumdiddly
Dec 16th, 2006
07:15:36 AM
From that distance, at least. Which would suit me fine.
Do Elizabeth and Jack find out they're siblings in this
by mortsleam
Dec 16th, 2006
09:26:26 AM
And do Chow Yun Fat's asian pirates qualify as Ewoks?
streakerfreak1983 knows fuck all about FX
by CTU Mole
Dec 16th, 2006
08:49:35 PM
but that's ok. ILM doesn't need any more awards anyway.
I view Pirates of the Caribbean like magic eye posters
by Dolmes
Dec 17th, 2006
10:44:41 AM
If I hold it very close to my face and slowly pull it away I can see this great big pile of shit. And do you know there's a bunch of people who can't see it?
DMC was one unexpectedly great film.
by Cameron1
Dec 17th, 2006
10:47:59 AM
God, I thought it was gonna be an incoherent pile of shit. But Verbinski nailed it. It's apretty sweet balancing act between giving the audince what they loved, giving them something new AND ramping it all up to 11. Ok so Jack and the Kraken isn't a particularly thrilling cliffhanger but Barbossa coming back and the genius that is Davy Jones (in both animation and character) make At The World's End pretty much required viewing.
CTU Mole
by streakerfreak1983
Dec 18th, 2006
12:55:34 AM
Thank you, I did not realize I was trying to say I knew everything about CGI. Geez, what the hell is wrong with you. I do not enjoy loaded CG films. There is no photographic quality to them. They look to fake because they are fake and most of the CG films like Star Wars(which by the way I did enjoy the third one) King Kong, and Narnia are not created to look like they were shot through a lens. Instead we have some things that do and a lot of things that we know are fake because they are, they will and never have been. I rather have a load of crappy stop motion, because stop motion is working with actual objects and our brain knows that. If that makes any sense. I am still waiting for that perfect CGI loaded film. I may be here a while
some good cg
by streakerfreak1983
Dec 18th, 2006
01:00:15 AM
would be only parts of Pirates. The Kraken, not so much, could tell it was really not there. Davy Jones and his crew, very good. Look at the Devils Rejects. For a while I had no clue this was CGI. When baby throws the knife into the womens chest in the motel room. That was CGI and the pulling out was too. Had no clue. That is perfect CGI. That is what I want to see
Ah come on Streaky
by half vader
Dec 18th, 2006
09:11:04 AM
How can you be so fair in the Sly TB and so completely biased here? Your argument is redundant. And - "Are not created to look like they were shot through a lens". WTF? Hey I say fair enough if you qualify your dislike of CG as a sweeping generalisation and subjective opinion but to then say "I'd rather have a load of crappy stop-motion" is inane for the exact reason that Stop-motion is no more 'real' or convincing in the end. There's also the unsurmountable obstacle of certain situations like the Kraken scenes being obviously 'fake' no matter how they're achieved by virtue of the fact that we know there are no sea-monsters around and therefore no matter what technique is used in the scene it'll never be 'real'. We'll always be aware that it's an 'effects' scene. That will always be so no matter how far into the future we go and will always taint or perception. You want to be tricked by small-scale effects that could conceivably be acheived through a number of methods? Fine, but accept it as your own strange myopia, and don't shit on stuff you're already predisposed against liking in the first place.

Our brains may know that stop-motion/go-motion or animatronics are 'physically' there, but what all the cg haters on this site cannot seem to admit is that you're also aware every second they're onscreen that the camera is constrained or that the movement is not as free or that the lipsync isn't quite there and so on and so forth. You can't tar a whole technique as being better than another in one fell swoop. I love all the different techniques but at least I'm not so infantile as to make comments about liking a crappy implementation of my fave over some other discipline. Best tools for the job, which is based on context. The thing is that now screenwriters have less creative crutches and can no longer say, "Well we can't achieve that anyway so I'll write it out before I get there" like they used to. So if they want to write new things that have never been seen before in ways that have never been seen before of course the 'fake' alarms will go off. I personally like the mix&match approach, but that's just me.

This goes for things like stunts too. Someone recently in another TB was shitting on some CG thing saying how Indy under the truck was just incredible and seamless (I'm paraphrasing because I can't remember the post). Conveniently ignoring the fact that Armstrong kept hiding his face and the angles were contrived to help this (which upsets the flow and consistent nature of the rest of the cinematography), ignoring the obvious dip in the road and the fact that the truck is going s-l-o-w-l-y. Although the clever angle shooting flat-on disguises this as the parallax is negated. Am I saying I like CG? Not necessarily. Am I saying I hate traditional techniques? Nope. And I LOVE that Raiders scene! I'm playing Devil's advocate to try to stop guys like you shitting on one to shine the other.

What about camerawork? We're only just getting used to unbroken cuts and untethered cameras as viewers now (as previously our only yardstick was the motion-simulator ride) and it'll take another decade or so yet, but the same can be said for the original wescams/copter shots being 'unrealistic' or 'playing God' when THEY were introduced. It's all relative. I feel a bit sorry for Weta's Kong guys going after a stylised stagey look based on Gustave Doré (like the original) and being ripped on by talkbackers. Don't make the same old basic mistake that a chemical/photographic or mechanical technique (with their attendant side-effects no pun intended) is inherently superior than any other including digital. And vice-versa of course.

Sorry for ranting at you Streaky but this simplistic/ all black or all white stuff gets my goat and I see it every day here. Sometimes I have to unload a bit like the rest of you. I don't mean to try to belittle you, I just take umbrage (and yes there's no way to say that without sounding like an utter wanker) at the sort of comments you were making, that's all. And folks here tell me to breathe into a paper bag all the time.

Another who thought DMC was seriously lacking...
by thestrongestone
Dec 18th, 2006
06:37:18 PM
and was beginning to think there was something wrong with me as the restof the world lost their shit over a seriously mediocre movie and disappointing sequel. There must be 20 minutes of screentime that can be accounted for by "They fight the kraken and discover that it cannot be destroyed. Then they decide to fight him again. With rum." Another hour with "Jack trips over/falls into a hole in the ground/runs into something." But anyway. I don't hate Johnny Depp. But I am sick of the Depp bandwagon. 4 or 5 years ago a shitty movie called MI2 came out and made megabucks due to lots of Tom Cruise fans. This year everyone suddenly realised Tom Cruise was a scientologist and Johnnny Depp existed and so another shitty sequel made megabucks while the far superior MI3 did not. And ILM/WETA are only as good as the ammount of money and time you give them. hh
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