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Ah man I can't wait
by Bean_
Dec 4th, 2006
01:04:48 AM
I love heroes, along with everyone else at school. We had a drinking game going for the last few episodes: every mention of the word cheerleader, saving and world got a drink :D
bah
by Mr. N
Dec 4th, 2006
01:06:24 AM
humbug
which ones SPOLIER
by s0nicdeathmonkey
Dec 4th, 2006
01:06:41 AM
peter? i suck at names?
SIXTH mufuckas!
by Cruel_Kingdom
Dec 4th, 2006
01:20:08 AM
just sayin
Peter is thrown into the future?
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Dec 4th, 2006
01:20:48 AM
The cryptic spoiler in the invisotext makes me wonder how they can possibly unite all these characters quickly within one episode. So maybe Peter absorbs Hiro's power and finds himself in the future.
Imagine that
by Cruel_Kingdom
Dec 4th, 2006
01:20:52 AM
A show about superheroes gets a 4.5 on this site, lol.
Wasn't "Fallout"...
by KnightShift
Dec 4th, 2006
01:59:45 AM
...the last episode of "The Prisoner"? If Hiro rips off Sylar's face and finds a gorilla underneath, I'm outta here.
oh yes!
by BadMrWonka
Dec 4th, 2006
02:40:04 AM
tomorrow, bowling league championships (my team's undefeated, thank you very much), then TIVO's Heroes and Studio60...best day ever. oh wait, scrubs and the office are on thursdays now...it's close! bowling wins by a nose! (man this is a boring post)
That's it! BBC's "F Word" is now officially better...
by Uncle Stan
Dec 4th, 2006
05:26:55 AM
...better than Heroes. ...and it's a cooking show.
seems like this episode
by roccotheripper
Dec 4th, 2006
05:31:11 AM
could either be good or lame. i think it's just gonna be a set up cliffhanger episode in which we don't really see anything cool until the last 5 minutes.
WHEN WILL THEY GIVE LANA LANG MORE SCREENTIME???
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
05:42:52 AM
Clea DuVall is horrible.

Y'know why Matt doesn't read her thoughts all that much? It's because he can't take the bitch whining "I WAS MISCAST! I WAS MISCAST!!!"

And my guess on the invisotext spoiler, is the gathering is really a funeral, a funeral for Peter himself. But it'll be a time travel thing

Either that or "Haitian" is gonna get the boot. I mean, they didnt even give the guy a name did they?
Your homework assignment over the winter break is
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
06:04:05 AM
To read "To Say Nothing of the Dog" by Connie Willis.

Here's the Amazon.com link:

http://tinyurl.com/yfe6rp

The paperback is about 500 pages long, but it's a quick, fun read that you should easily be able to complete by reading during the hour Heroes normally airs on until it (or 24) returns.

Now, why am I recommending this book? For those who missed the end of the last Heroes talkback, I believe that the theory of time that the show is using is similar to what's presented in this book.

(Even ignoring that, it's a great book)

There are also some serious implications if I'm right, and it's impossible to really discuss them unless you've read the book. And yes, I will be checking to see who has read it when Heroes returns (I will be re-reading it with a notebook open and a pen ready).

So what are you waiting for? Buy it! Add it to your Wish List! To quote Brent Sienna, "Fly Nerds, Fly!"

Regarding this episode ...
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
06:07:31 AM
I'm looking forward to Peter and Nathan boxing while having flashbacks to previous moments ... ending in an exhausted hug as the good times start to overwhelm the bad times.
Who HRG is talking to
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
06:58:33 AM
My guess is ... Linderman.
HRG's first name?
by SenseiJJ
Dec 4th, 2006
06:59:14 AM
Did you guys make up the name Jack Bennet? I don't remember hearing it on the show yet...
Hiro... I *am* your father...
by ATARI
Dec 4th, 2006
07:31:58 AM
LOL!!!
The question about Linderman is ...
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
07:33:38 AM
Is he going to be a Kingpin-style character, or just a red herring? I guess if Eccleston is playing him, it'll be the former. Also, will he have "super" powers?
"how VERY interesting it would be if she kissed Claire"
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
07:34:19 AM
...I'll be in my bunk
Save the Cheerleader...
by Prof. Brainiac
Dec 4th, 2006
07:40:13 AM
While true that Peter saved A cheerleader, the real question is whether he saved the RIGHT cheerleader....
Who'd you least expect Claire to talk to?
by mbeemer
Dec 4th, 2006
07:47:34 AM
Maybe her cheerleader friend who just got her skull opened?
"And just how do you build a Mutant Faraday cage?"
by mbeemer
Dec 4th, 2006
07:48:57 AM
These powers have to have some kind of energy source. I think the Marvel site promo-ing the first "X-Men" movie explained it as a "power tap" that drew energy from another dimension. The "Faraday cage" blocks or jams the power tap (I guess).
"Who'd you least expect Claire to talk to?"
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
07:50:22 AM
The last person you'd expect her to talk to is someone who didn't have a reason to speak with her--that we know of. If you eliminate the Pulp Faction/Legion of Neutral, Peter (Nathan as well?), Hiro, Ando, and Isaac (Simone as well?) ... that leaves Nikki, DL, Micah, Mindreader, Annoying FBI Chick, and Radiation Dude (Up and Let's Go!).

How about this: Annoying FBI Chick is Claire's Real Mother!

Nah, I'm going to go with Micah.

EvilWizardGlick: There's different theories, though
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
07:52:38 AM
Compare Twelve Monkeys to Star Trek, for example. My point is that what I've seen in Heroes so far most reminds me of To Say Nothing of the Dog. It's not perfect, mind you (in the latter, Hiro never would've been able to talk to himself on the phone), but the ideas of self-correction and meta-forces in the book seem to correlate with things we saw in last week's ep.
Mutant Faraday Cage
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
07:55:06 AM
Well, we know their powers are from within their brains ... so it must be something that suppresses brain functions. Maybe they have all the TVs set to Studio 60?

(Just kidding)

Eccleston
by ZO
Dec 4th, 2006
07:58:09 AM
is playing a guy named Claude. a wise and intense mentor to the heroes
ZO...
by Abin Sur
Dec 4th, 2006
08:06:25 AM
That makes better sense - Eccleston didn't strike me as a Las Vegas mobster type anyway.
But did Hiro save the waitress and...
by biggles2_22
Dec 4th, 2006
08:22:10 AM
...their child?!
Eden is the..
by Russman
Dec 4th, 2006
08:34:02 AM
Bene Gesserit Girl. I'm trying not to read the ivisotext but I know I'll crack once I get into the office.
"Villains"
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
08:40:02 AM
They're not Villains. Micah is innocent, DL is on the run from the law for a crime he didn't commit. Sure, Jessica committed it, but Nikki didn't. So it's really 2.5 Heroes, .5 Villains.
The Niki/Jessica/DL/Micah storyline should be airlocked
by SpyGuy
Dec 4th, 2006
08:40:36 AM
As in, jettisoned out of. The show is called "HEROES," after all, not "VILLAINS."
Cliffhanger, Homicide style...
by OhioBobcat
Dec 4th, 2006
08:42:35 AM
I'd bet that since the sped up time scale of the "death" was due to contract difficulty, they'd want to leave the door... or in this case coffin... wide open for a plausible (ha!) return. So does anyone remember the season finale of Homicide when Andre Braugher had his stroke? The final shot was a fantasy (I don't know what it was exactly, I didn't watch regularly) of Andre in his coffin, shouting for someone to help him. I picture this episode ending similar, with the gathering being some sort of funeral/memorial when we the viewers will be shocked to all hell to hear the desceased - Clair? Nathan? - in voice over begging Peter for help. Then again, I never get these guesses right.
How Shocking - 4.5 Stars
by Itchy
Dec 4th, 2006
08:43:11 AM
I mean, it's getting to be a very good program, but 4.5 stars ? IS that out of 4 or 5 Max - I can't recall ? Regardless, obviously the show knew what they were doing tossing out a throwaway line about the Alamo Drafthouse to get some free press. The aintitcool motto ought to be "For Sale". Just hold a press junket and fly Harry or Herc out there for a 30 minute fluff session with the stars and you're guaranteed a article a week blowing you for the life of the show !
Itchy hasn't been paying attention
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
08:44:54 AM
Coax didn't have a weekly TB for Heroes until after Future Hiro showed up and the interest by the regular TBers ramped up to the extent that we were spamming other threads.
chrth: Micah's not innocent
by SpyGuy
Dec 4th, 2006
08:46:36 AM
Little bastard used a broken pay phone without paying for it. Time to give that sumbitch the chair, ah reckon...
Chrth - I'm just f-ing around
by Itchy
Dec 4th, 2006
09:12:15 AM
Frankly, this is just the kind of show AICN should be blowing. Superheroes ? Hot Chicks ? Time Travel and Serial Killers ? I'm there. The only weakness in this series is dialogue, and frankly, I think that's improving. Part of the problem of translating a superhero mythos to a weekly network show is that comic books are, by and large, written in an infantile and unreal way. It works in print ... but not so much in live action. I think as the actors have gotten more comfortable (and the audience more comfortable with the characters) the show is starting to round into a really slick, really interesting show. And kudos to AICN for pimping it. I'd much rather watch Heroes and BSG all night long than Law and Order: Supply Clerks.
EvilWizardGlick: But I'm not using Many Worlds theory
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
09:39:46 AM
And I don't think Heroes is either.
Glad a character is being bumped off...
by biggles2_22
Dec 4th, 2006
09:39:54 AM
I really hope it's true as it will afford the writers the opportunity to tighten up the writing. The show is great with the only problems being the somewhat clunky dialogue (especially between Nathan & Peter) and a few plot holes each episode. If your going to create a show for geeks (myself included) then tight writing is a MUST. Geeks scrutinize everything, as these posts will attest. The writers also need to spin-off Ando for his own show. !Awesome!tm (credit to chrth)
EvilWizardGlick: Did you see the Willis mention there?
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
09:50:41 AM
That's what I'm looking at. I need to go to the original article to read it because the formatting on Talkback is so screwed up some times.
Immutable Laws
by toadkillerdog
Dec 4th, 2006
09:53:26 AM
The past can not be changed. I do not mind time travelling storylines as long as they conform to the immutable laws of nature. The past can not be changed. To do so, means that the past does not exist and that what was 'past' is now 'present' or 'future'. I have no issue with creating multiple timelines into infinity either - but what makes 'our' timeline immune? Who is to say that we are the parent timeline? If time/space is seen as circular, then there is no true determinant. It is exciting to explore such conundrums - even though it makes my head hurt.
Ok, ready the Wiki article
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
09:56:06 AM
Here's what I think Heroes is doing:

1.1 One does not have full control of the time travel. One example of this is The Morphail Effect. This concept of time can be referred to as circular causation. For exampes of circular causation, see Robert A. Heinlein's story By His Bootstraps.

Also: In 1.1, time travel is constrained to prevent paradox. If one attempts to make a paradox, one undergoes involuntary or uncontrolled time travel. Michael Moorcock uses a form of this principle and calls it The Morphail Effect. In the time-travel stories of Connie Willis, time travelers encounter "slippage" which prevents them from either reaching the intended time or translates them a sufficient distance from their destination at the intended time, as to prevent any paradox from occurring.

Example: A man who travels into the past and attempts to kill Hitler finds himself in Montana in 1945.

This is what the book says, and I believe that's what the show is doing. When you thinking about Hiro being sent to Japan and having to take the bus to the Cafe, this interpretation seems to apply.

I need to check out that Heinlein reference.

EvilWizardGlick
by biggles2_22
Dec 4th, 2006
09:57:48 AM
One theory that you, and conventional quantum physics, seem to overlook is the "Millenium" theory (1989). In the "Millenium" theory, while a host of physical beings, including Cheryl Ladd, Susannah Hoffman, and Kris Kristofferson, enter a wormhole (or interdimensional portal), only Kris Kristofferson will emerge on the other side, with career intact. And I didn't cut and paste this post from Wikipedia.
However, while this information describes paradoxes ...
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
09:58:26 AM
There's another aspect besides the slippage in the book: meta self-correction. Possible paradoxes may require the use of other time travellers in order to correct.
Space and Time
by Abin Sur
Dec 4th, 2006
10:21:26 AM
Anyone here interested in the possibilities presented by time travel and the resulting paradoxes should read Michio Kaku, starting with "Hyperspace." A great discussion on time, space, relativity, the many-worlds theory, and much more - it's intelligent reading, but it's not anything like a textbook. He's got several others as well if you like that one - I also recommend "Visions" and "Parallel Worlds." His stuff will DEFINITELY broaden your horizons.
Sound of Thunder
by Abin Sur
Dec 4th, 2006
10:48:08 AM
EWGlick, I had to laugh at that reference, because that crap-fest was on HBO the other day, and I tivoed it thinking "it can't be as bad as I've heard." Oh my god, that was awful - even the hi-def picture didn't redeem it (actually it made the effects look even worse).
It's Millenium on Millenial! double bah
by biggles2_22
Dec 4th, 2006
10:54:22 AM
see the movie and behold the devastation that is Kris Kristofferson!
It's "Millenium" NOT "Millenial"! double bah
by biggles2_22
Dec 4th, 2006
10:55:23 AM
dammit! I think m'I typing dyslexic yadot.
The only thing I would scrap...
by Freefinger
Dec 4th, 2006
10:57:06 AM
... the whole Niki-Jessica thing.. It's really gettign on my nerves.. Doesn't do much for me to know she's just psycho... No real powers in that.. You're local asylum have plenty of these, most of them think they are Napoleon, Jesus or Elvis, but still... same kinda thing... The rest of the story is pretty good, can't wait to see the whole Peter thing and how does his powers really work out for him, leetching off of others is pretty cool to me... Can't wait for tonight!
Masi Oka is going on Studio 60 ...
by Hercules
Dec 4th, 2006
10:57:18 AM
TV Guide's Ausiello says he's guest-hosting:

http://community.tvgui de.com/thread.jspa?threadID=70 0013750
Chinese invent time travel first, USA falling behind
by greekopa
Dec 4th, 2006
10:57:51 AM
acually american company found it first, never went threw with it, chinese bought it and mass produced it, theres acually 121.6 billion chinese all in diffrent times say it on cnn.com
EvilWizardGlick
by Abin Sur
Dec 4th, 2006
11:08:23 AM
Jemima Rooper is the girl, and she's a cutie - if you want to see a movie where she's not typecast as a lesbian, check out "The Black Dalhia," where she stars as a...oh wait, a lesbian. My bad.
Hey EvilWizardGlick
by Freefinger
Dec 4th, 2006
11:09:06 AM
See link : http://www.snopes.com/humor/if true/insider.htm. But it must've been funny to see the faces of the Yahoo News crew when they actually reprinted the story that was first printed off a tabloid.. What next Yahoo? "Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie fly to space and return with adopted Alfa-Centory child, they named him "P'Loink'Dou'Girk" after the child first father - Madonna, jealous, flies off to space and returns with a lawsuit brought by new adopted baby's father he claims "She entered my DkerGertu and she went into the Freeguty and took my child away throwing pieces of your green papers to me, I'm mad really mad, I'm suying the pants off of her! - What... I don't need to sue to get the pants off?? Damint!"... Guy Ritchie commented "Oh god... here we go again!"
EvilWizardGlick
by biggles2_22
Dec 4th, 2006
11:13:39 AM
Hoax news stories aside, there are chunks of guys like Frank Black in Kris Kristofferson stool.
Prof.Ikamono: Good catch!
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
11:45:21 AM
Although I will point out that in last week's talkback I was unable to post around the show. Hmmm...
Meeting oneself in time
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
11:46:09 AM
Time Traveler's Wife has a scene that's ummmmm ... interesting.
Claire talks to Lana
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
12:00:31 PM
I mean, since Miss Lang has had next to no screentime, she'd be the last person you'd expect to talk to Claire.

This show needs less DuVall and more Haiduk!!!
Abin Sur
by ATARI
Dec 4th, 2006
12:54:15 PM
Nice to see that someone else reads Kaku. I read Visions and Hyperspace. I will need to pick up a copy of Parallel Worlds sometime this week.
ATARI
by Abin Sur
Dec 4th, 2006
01:05:48 PM
That one came out last year, and it's in the vein of his previous efforts - but what wonderfully mind-blowing material it is. It's one of the few books I can enjoy while using cannabis. ;)
Peter is a clone!!!
by Hooterman
Dec 4th, 2006
01:12:03 PM
He is a young version Keanu Reeves. "Whoa, I can steal your powers!"
OK, time travelling peoples
by BadMrWonka
Dec 4th, 2006
01:28:36 PM
I've read a lot of time travel books, I'm fascinated with it, but more the science of it, than the science fiction (although they certainly overlap at times). I haven't read the book chrth reccomended but I certainly will. but here's a task from me. if any of you can bend space and time, predict my bowling scores tonight! I'm averaging about 175-180 for the season, although last season I was around 205. we're on new lanes, and they suck. I will play 2 games, back to back, for the league championship with my team. how am I gonna bowl?
Wonka's Score
by Abin Sur
Dec 4th, 2006
01:58:48 PM
He's gonna win by two touchdowns.
The Past Can Be changed!
by Russman
Dec 4th, 2006
02:14:05 PM
If a person can actually travel through time what is there to say that they can't affect events in the past. Right now this is all fiction so regardless of whatever laws we can theorize and draw up - it still hasn't been done so we don't know. Anyway, that's why I don't like the fact that Hiro wasn't able to save Charlie. Any "laws" that Hiro has to observe are strictly there to avoid using him as a deus ex machina (sp) device.
Russman: Not necessarily (and BadMrWonka)
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
02:21:19 PM
One of the time travel theories does state that the system will prevent paradoxes from occuring. So the rules are intrinsic to this system (but trust me, I'll be keeping a close eye on the show to see if the rules are really contrivances to drive plot).

BadMrWonka: Bowling is one of the most chaotic systems in the universe. While I wouldn't go so far as to say it's beholden to the laws of quantum mechanics, I will state that predicting a score, even if one has foreknowledge of it, will invariably change it.

Therefore, by predicting a 194-211 series for you, it's very likely it won't happen.

If it does, well, it just confirms the fact that I'm a time-traveler with l33t sk1llz.

This is why Nikki and Jessica do not suck...
by LordEnigma
Dec 4th, 2006
02:41:56 PM
Jessica had the ability as a child to transfer her essence. This not only makes her one of the oldest heroes. It also means that she could leave Nikki. If she wanted too. Outside of Sylar, she may be one the strongest heroes.
LordEnigma: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, sorta
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
02:46:37 PM
The question is: we know the "Hero Power" is a brain function ... was it Jessica's power to leave her body, or is it Nikki's power to steal a personality? If it's the former, Jessica can move on ... but if it's the latter, Nikki may be able to add multiple personalities to her brain. The question is, could she add powers as well? If she took Isaac's personality, would she have his power when Isaac was "in charge"?

And will anyone ever say, "Nikki, I want to speak with Sybil now"?

As for PixieChick
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
02:57:23 PM
I think her agenda changes because she thought the Pulp Faction/Legion of Neutral was on the side of angels (or at least had been told that by HRG). But after being forced to coerce Isaac and seeing that the PF/LoN is going to keep Sylar, she's going to change her mind. I don't think she's going to be evil, I just think she'll oppose HRG and assist Mohinder.
It just hit me "Who places the call to Jack?"
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
03:01:28 PM
HRG is talking to PRESIDENT LOGAN!
EvilWizardGlick
by biggles2_22
Dec 4th, 2006
03:09:18 PM
Sorry dude, Lance is a character actor, at best. But seriously dude, you're the one who veered off of the time travel argument into your failed X-Files spin-off. Millenium? That's a friggin time travel movie from the 80's you simp-chimp. A movie so bad that it was funny but a damn time travel movie none the less! You, and your, damn Millenium Tv show, have nothing to do with what was being posted. That show took the worst of the X-Files (conspiracy and the end of the world) and encapsulated it into a series. How depressing and what a great reason to watch, as you apparently did. I'm surprised your still with us (thank god for Prozac). Watch Millenium (the movie) and you'll feel much better about the future.
Urgent message
by Cl_Kilgore
Dec 4th, 2006
03:24:51 PM
I just received a fax from my future self. This discussion on time travel needs to end. It leads to the real discovery of time travel and then the end of the universe when misused. If the writers even did half the time travel research as you guys, it shouldn't get too silly. I'm addicted to this show!
Cl_Kilgore: If it led to the end of the universe ...
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
03:27:08 PM
How did your future self have time to get a fax off?

As for me, well, I already have a codeword/name so I can verify my future self when he appears. Although I wonder if he's here already.

chrth
by biggles2_22
Dec 4th, 2006
03:41:49 PM
Hi Chrth, It's "biggles"...I'm you from the future with an important message:...STOP WHACKING OFF! I'm blind, seriously dude.
but chrth....
by Russman
Dec 4th, 2006
03:43:34 PM
remember... these are all theories. So no one knows for sure (of course). in 1902 the masses didn't belive a man could fly - a year later one did. And now we all do. Once again the time travel stuff is fun to think about. Not trying to start a pissing contest... I just don't like the direction the staff took with Hiro trying to save Charlie... if she was destined to die, like "Final Destination", have her get hit by a car or catch a stray bullet.... - eh... sounds corny. Anyway, I just don't like what they did with his story.
I don't think Jessica is "in" Nikki...
by Shepard Bauer
Dec 4th, 2006
03:47:26 PM
Jessica is dead, from the reaction to her father when "Jess" confronts him, she said that she was always 'there' for Nikki when her dad was bad, abusive whatever. When Jessica died, Nikki freaked out and became a split personality. All of a sudden Jessica "appeared". She was strong enough to stand up to her dad back in the day and she died bc of that, so she was "strong' for Nikki. Nikki is super strong and smart, and willing to cross the lines to get what needs to get done, well, done. But only if she adopts the "Jessica" personality. She needed to be strong like Jessica to do what had to be done with Nathan, etc. I just think she's got strength and a major fault, kinda like how Eee-sak (as Hiro says it) thinks he has to be high to use his power...
Russman: Oh, I know it's all theories
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
03:48:25 PM
But when a fictional entity (book, movie, etc.) uses time travel, it needs to choose a theory and stick with it to maintain internal consistency, otherwise we can AND WILL nitpick it to death.
I thought Hiro couldn't save Charlie...
by Fawst
Dec 4th, 2006
04:19:16 PM
because she had a brain tumor or whatever it was? Not because he couldn't stop her from being killed by Sylar. In other words, he COULD save her from Sylar, but not from her tumor. I dunno. Nevermind.
redundancy
by imageburn13
Dec 4th, 2006
04:52:11 PM
As this thread has fallen into a rap about time travel, I have to pose this question: what theories could be applied to the scenario of meeting oneself? Isnt that essentially what the oro boros represents? Im just trying to wrap my brain around some of this, but if I go back two years, and walk up to myself and have coffee with myself, wont that just keep happening infinetely? or could this concept of multiple histories come into play? to allow myself to get out of the circle?
The League of Super Acquaintances Codenames!
by thevision
Dec 4th, 2006
05:13:20 PM
Some are mine, others too clever to ignore: Peter: Mimic (X-Men name but who cares, it fits!) Nathan: Aeroman Nikki/Jessica: Nemesis (the Greek Goddess of Divine Retribution) Mohinder: Professor S DL: Faze Micah: Kid Terrific (in honor of JSA's Mr. Terrific who also controls machines...I think) Matt Parkman: ESPoliceman Issac: The Impressionist Claire: Miracle Girl (Zack referred to her as "miraclegro") Hiro Nakamura: Shifter (in the future will be known as Time Ronin) Non Members: Eden: Pixiechick the Persuader Ted Sturges: Isotope the Radioactive Man Charlie: Googlegirl The Haitian: Mindwipe
understanding time
by ikkyu
Dec 4th, 2006
05:27:01 PM
...travel depends on understanding time itself. we have a strong tendency to view time as an independent and linear "track" along which we move, meeting events at fixed "points" along it - like an absolute axis of a graph. but time isn't like that; like everything, it's relative and dependent on other phenomena, such as the viewer.

the Buddhist Madhyamika-Prasangika philosophical school had an interesting way of explaining this dependence, or relativity, thus: it makes little sense to speak of time as a fixed entity that is independent of all other phenomena, saying, for example, that an object exists in "the" past or "the" future. rather, it is more accurate to see time as relative to each and every phenomenon; so one should speak of objects having *their own* past, present and future.

take a functioning chair: the past of this chair has not yet happened - it's a thing that will exist only once the chair has ceased (e.g. once it has been broken into pieces). once this has happened, the chair will be a past object - its past will then exist. whilst the chair is a present object, however, its past is a future object . likewise, the future of the chair ceased as soon as the chair became a present object. its future became a past object once the chair has become a present object. so you can say that the past of an object exists in its future and the future of an object existed in its past.

this does actually make sense, but you probably need to be fairly clear-headed to get it, so put down the blunt...

one consequence of this understanding
by ikkyu
Dec 4th, 2006
05:37:52 PM
...is that most of our thinking is completely nonsensical. we stay angry with people we think harmed us in the past, for example, when in fact those people have completely and irrevocably ceased. the person of yesterday doesn't exist today - today there's a new person. not understanding this, we hang on to so much crap... why? everything changes!
er, sorry -
by ikkyu
Dec 4th, 2006
05:39:32 PM
back on topic: Claire Bear on Pixie Chick action! Woo-Hoo!
mocky
by ikkyu
Dec 4th, 2006
05:46:06 PM
lol! but the folk in the prisons *now* are in the continuum of the folk who did some bad stuff - they created the cause in the past to be punished now, and they now, most likely, have tendencies to act in ways detrimental to society, so prison may be the best place for 'em right now, after all...

you plant a seed yesterday - it ceases - and gives rise to a shoot today.

or something. now i've got a headache - pass the blunt...

and back to time travel
by ikkyu
Dec 4th, 2006
06:08:57 PM
it's impossible to experience an effect before the cause has ceased - a sprout can't exist at the same time as the seed from which it arose. this makes the whole idea of going back in time (to a previous moment in one's own continuum) very problematic. how can you have an effect - a sprout - *before* the cause - the seed?

is this what keeps the writers of Heroes awake at night? i doubt it... :-)

Psynapse: Yep ... and imageburn13
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
07:06:53 PM
It depends on whether objects are considered independent of absolute time and their time dimension is age, not calendar. For example, let's say I, at age 40, come back to 2006 (when I'm 32). Now ChrTh(40) and ChrTh(32) are both existing in 2006. If ChrTh(40) kills ChrTh(32), then that doesn't mean ChrTh(40) has created a paradox, because ChrTh(40) is still ensconced in 2006. When ChrTh(40) reaches 2014, he'll simply be ChrTh(48) at that point.

Now, this theory of absolute-time independence requires an understanding that future time is unwritten and that time-travelling backwards erases everything on the way back. Not all theories subscribe to that belief however.

One important note though: the grandfather paradox does not exist in this scenario, for the same reason ChrTh(40) wouldn't cease to exist.

5 minutes!
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
07:47:43 PM
They gave Penn Jillette a gameshow to host? Huh ... I'm shocked, but at the same time, I can't believe no one thought of it before.
Just once I'd like to hear
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
07:51:29 PM
We'll give you $75,000...and your choice of model for two nights.
THAT was unexpected
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
07:59:49 PM
Regarding names....
by Yossarian
Dec 4th, 2006
08:19:02 PM
I still like Cheerverine. Sure it's stupid, and it reminds me of a short-lived soda from the 80's, but hey, whatever, props to whoever coined "Cheerverine". Personally, I like DMO (Dunder Mifflen - Odessa) for HRG's group, but League of Neutrality and Pulp Faction is growing on me.
PS.
by Yossarian
Dec 4th, 2006
08:21:16 PM
Can someone explain the whole Googlegirl thing to me? I must have been asleep during the resolution of that little plot thread.
HRG power?
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
08:28:40 PM
Did it seem odd how Peter reacted when HRG was in the room? The coughing, I mean?
How do you stop an exploding man?
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
08:31:11 PM
That's a VERY good question.
BTW, I TOTALLY called what was happening w/ PixieChick
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
08:32:55 PM
It pays to be from the future sometimes.
the only thing that girl was good for
by adzigjo
Dec 4th, 2006
08:33:27 PM
was getting fucked in varsity blues on the washing machine...i hate her story and her lame husband and gay looking son
HRG can't be leech AND WOW
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
08:35:59 PM
Nathan took off flying while near him.

WOW, HRG used the Haitian on his SON!

"Oh God did he just read my mind" LOL
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
08:37:54 PM
Ok, that's too funny.
i cant stand the blond chick who works with the cop
by adzigjo
Dec 4th, 2006
08:39:51 PM
gross
Wow, they wiped Zach too!
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
08:40:23 PM
But won't Zach wonder why people think he helped get Claire named Homecoming Queen?
Just noticed a mistake in Herc's post
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
08:43:19 PM
Isaac was already in Texas ... wasn't he?
Ok, that I did NOT see coming. WOW ... or THAT
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
08:47:56 PM
Dinosaur?!? Nice Simpsons quote.
Or, um, THAT SWEET JESUS ... or THIS
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
08:49:49 PM
Ok, I give up. THIS SHOW IS FUCKING AWESOME
Eden
by jurgenhadley
Dec 4th, 2006
08:51:59 PM
what a stupid biznitch. How did I know it would be her...
I second that, Chrth.
by CatVutt
Dec 4th, 2006
08:52:27 PM
This just kicked my ass. I've been on the fence, but WTF?
Sweet merciful crap
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
08:53:03 PM
That was so good, I'm rewinding and rewatching the entire last segment.
WTF just happened
by clockpolitiks
Dec 4th, 2006
08:55:55 PM
So....sylar could have escaped the whole time? Peter is the bomb? Where is the other guy that he absorbed the powers from?
hmm this is where that guy comes in
by majortom25
Dec 4th, 2006
08:56:57 PM
I guess this is where that guy who comes in and helps peter control his powers.
I STILL LOVE THIS SHOW
by knowledge1027
Dec 4th, 2006
08:58:48 PM
THAT IS ALL
are you on the list?
by Flux_brown
Dec 4th, 2006
09:00:09 PM
is the new save the cheerleader...save the world. that was mind blowing, and check last weeks thread folks, i knew pixie chick was kicking the bucket! fuckin awesome....
Holy Fuck!
by Billyeveryteen
Dec 4th, 2006
09:02:58 PM
I love this Godamn show!
I'm not sure it's Peter in the end scene
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
09:03:15 PM
When he lands, they focus on his watch. I think he's seeing things from Sylar's perspective, sort of.

BTW, in case anyone is wondering, Claire says "I'm sorry" to Peter in the scene. (Side effect from being hearing-impaired: I can read TV lips sometimes)

HOLY FUCK! HIRO FIGHTS A T-REX!!! NICEEEE
by wolvenom
Dec 4th, 2006
09:03:59 PM
That is by far the coolest geeked out shit i've seen on this show. Props to the writers for having the guts to even mention the possibility of hiro going up against a freakin T-REX!!! I HOPE THEY SHOW THAT... oh man dont save that for the soon to become a major motion picture adaption of heroes. LETS SEE IT NOW!!! Lastly... im a bit confused why Sylar was able to escape that entire time from that jail cell but hopefully they'll explain that... maybe the cheerleader's dad made him a deal or something cause he knew that chick was going to backstab him.. which means she was probably working closely with the haitian but he doesn't know about the haitian's betrayal yet.... my guess about the end too where it shows petrelli as the exploding man is that he take's the radioactive man's powers via his rogue powers and sylar with his new ability to hynoptize and tell people what to do will get petrelli to blow himself up. BUT WHO CARES ABOUT ALL THAT STUFF ANYwAY!! WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO SEE AND THAT'S T-REX VS. HIRO!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO T-REX!!!!!!!! T-rex t-rex t-rex t-rex t-rex!!!!!!!!!
EvilWizardGlick: I saw Sylar using another power
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
09:06:18 PM
I think he was using WikiWoman's on both HRG (mentioning the daughter) and R.I.PixieChick.
Ok, that last segment was even cooler than FutureHiro
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
09:08:01 PM
I think I need to watch it a third time.
That was...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
09:10:06 PM
...okay. Yes. That was just fine.
ok so maybe he didn't steal her powers but........
by wolvenom
Dec 4th, 2006
09:13:14 PM
im guessing that someone is controlling petrelli in the future to make himself blow himself up after he stolen radioactive man's powers
WOW
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
09:21:02 PM
Right when I was beginning to like Pixie Chick, BANG! :(

Right when I think one of Isaac's halfassed paintings could never leave my jaw dropped, POW!
(Although, I think the promise of a T-rex is a bad move, tv cgi = bad.)

And right when I think they couldn't top the future Hiro cliffhanger, KA-FUCKING-BOOM!!!
Obviousl y Pete's gonna come into contact with the radioactive dude, or he absorbs so many powers he overloads. Who knows?

All I do know is Marvel must be pissed at how good, and how big this thing is getting.

Tom you better sign off on a X-men series, spinoff, reboot, offshoot of some type soon. Or Heroes may surpass Fox's efforts. And considering what X-men coulda been, that's a damn shame.
I don't know for sure about that...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
09:21:15 PM
...could well be that Peter absorbs them and just doesn't know how to...wait.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! !! OMG NO.
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
09:22:43 PM
I was typing that last post and supposedly Torrie Wilson's boob popped out not once, BUT TWICE on RAW.

*sigh* DAMMIT!!!
In Peter's dream...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
09:23:03 PM
New York is empty in that open car door way that suggests a rapid evacuation. And Claire says she's sorry. And the looks he's getting are worried and remorseful, but not so much accusatory. What if they're blowing up New York on purpose? What if there's something there so dangerous that blowing up the city is the only way they can stop it? And what if Peter's sacrificing himself to...save the world.
Exploding Peter Doll
by tile_mcgillus
Dec 4th, 2006
09:23:24 PM
Well that was interesting. At least we know if Peter does feel the need to blow up NY then Nathan will finally get the chance to do something right and fly that manbomb high into the sky. Although ALL of Isaac's prediction have come true so either A. they cant stop them and are fated B. there is more to the explosion then meets the eye or C. they can change the the future and have just sucked so far.
Ok. I'll be a man about it.
by Almost_Human
Dec 4th, 2006
09:29:27 PM
I have seen most of Heroes because if I am home at that time, there just isn't anything I want to watch on until Studio 60. I have said in the past that Heroes sucks. And I largely stand by that, however, tonight's episode was very good. If they have more like that, they might sway me back.
Sorry guys
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
09:31:14 PM
I tried to see the 1/22 ep, but every time I tried to get close, I ended up in an aerobics class. On the plus side, I'm now in the best shape of my life!
Don't jerk me around Heroes!
by Ironmuskrat
Dec 4th, 2006
09:31:19 PM
At some point in the future I better see Hiro fighting a fucking T-Rex with a samurai sword. Dammit!
cookylamoo: yeah, I don't think it's a literal vision
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
09:32:47 PM
And the fact they show a Sylar watch on his wrist when he hits the deck at the beginning is an important clue.

Claire's "I'm Sorry" is quite heartbreaking.

Am I the first person to suggest...
by caerlas
Dec 4th, 2006
09:34:27 PM
That Jessica and Niki have separate powers??? Jessica can obviously wreak havoc with her super strength. But what about Niki? I think Niki has powers much like "Legion" from the X-men series. She might be a powerful telepath who pulled Jessica's mind into her own along with her power. Just like Legion's different personalities manifest different powers, I think Niki does too. In fact a terrorist whose mind got sucked by Legion often takes over in the comic.
Yossarian...
by Valebant
Dec 4th, 2006
09:34:30 PM
Cheerverine... you thinking Cheerwine? It's still around. Not super popular. I mean, their website is giving out tickets to Hootie and the Blowfish. So, whatever you make of that.
WTF, THERE'S THE MYSTERIOUS INVISIBLE POSTER AGAIN!
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
09:36:16 PM
How do you do what you do so well?
T-Rex
by Alientoast
Dec 4th, 2006
09:36:43 PM
Don't forget that NBC is part of Universal. All they gotta do is dust off that old T-Rex animatronic from Jurassic Park and voila!
Hiro doesn't need a sword ...
by Itchy
Dec 4th, 2006
09:41:45 PM
he needs an assault rifle ... WITH A CHAINSAW ON THE END (God Bless Gears of War). In any event, I need to digest that episode because, truly, I don't know what the F is going on. I only know that I like it. Oh - and they need to do something about Nikki and Peter, because if they don't get acting coaches soon, I'm going to barf.
studio 60 is not funny
by adzigjo
Dec 4th, 2006
09:42:30 PM
that guy doesnt look like chris hanson....
Wasn't there another show that had a complete out-of-
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
09:43:21 PM
left-field cliffhanger like the dinosaur? One that made us all say "What the Fuck was That?!?" ... Why can't I remember now? I'm not thinking about Lost, definitely not 24 ... any ideas gang?
On the Haitian
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
09:46:22 PM
R.I.PixieChick thought he was mute ("If he could say something"), and HRG didn't give off any body language to indicate he disagreed with her. So that begs the question: is he working for someone else, or is he doing this on his own? And if it's the latter, is it because he's paying close attention and figuring out Claire's importance on his own, or is he being fed information from somewhere?
What do you mean 24 is toast?
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
09:47:38 PM
Wasn't the ratings kinda meh for it anyways?
24/Heroes crossover?
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
09:47:52 PM
Jack Bauer has to go against the one man he can't stop ... Sylar!
Haitian...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
09:48:25 PM
Just a guess, but my guess is that he's hiding in the belly of the beast, doesn't like the doings of the organization to which HRG belongs, and hopes to circumvent or perhaps eliminate it. Just a guess, though.
Hey, and Itchy...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
09:51:25 PM
...lay off Nikki and Peter. Both Ali and Milo are doing just fine. (Yes, I have reached the point of being made easily defensive about this show).
Shermdawg/24....
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
09:53:24 PM
I think it had its best ratings so far last season. Could be wrong, though, and too lazy to look it up.
Herc, Harry, tech guy....
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
09:53:29 PM
If one of you could reveal the secret as to how a post could travel back in time, I'd appreciate it.
WOW, That hour went by fast
by skydemon
Dec 4th, 2006
09:53:36 PM
Not sexy pixie chick!! Noooooooooooooooooo!!!
Sylar DID Kill Eden
by Prior Walter
Dec 4th, 2006
09:56:17 PM
He pulled the same thong on the blonde cop, making her pull the gun on herself. And when he pulled Eden through the glass he seemed to be pulling the gun. Maybe he has some Magneto-type power, and it wasn't until Eden stupidly brought in that gun that he was able to do anything.
Also, I'd ike to know why...
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
09:56:48 PM
the last two paragraphs of that post were mysteriusly cut off. They were in the box when I posted.

Are you guys fucking with me??? Invisible posters, time traveling posts, and now instant censorship!

Strange things are afoot in this here talkback!
HMMMMMM....
by knowledge1027
Dec 4th, 2006
09:57:44 PM
If Sylar is the one blowing up nyc why is everyone in the scene looking all sad/and why is clarie bear saying i'am sorry to him?
Many good moments..
by Ironmuskrat
Dec 4th, 2006
09:58:14 PM
That was a pretty busy episode with some good moments. Claire spouting some real tears confessing to her dad. That weird scene with Matt and Peter giving each other psychic feedback. T-Rex vs. Hiro. Pixie chick taking one for the team, whatever team that might be. Scary black guy.. oops sorry.. scary Haitian guy actually saying something and showing he just not a stooge for HRG guy. The last 10 minutes. The bad? Well I agree that the whole Nikki/Jessica storyline seems completely detached from the rest of the story. I like Hiro, but please, enough with making that stupid face all the time. Nathan's behavior seems a little over the top, he is in danger of becoming a cartoonish asshole. All that being said, great cliffhanger show, I will be waiting for Jan 22 myself.
Prior Walter, no, no, NO!
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
09:59:42 PM
Didn't you watch it last week? He gained that dude's telekinetic powers.
Prior Walter...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
10:01:37 PM
I'm not saying you couldn't be right, but I don't think so. When Sylar made Carnivale Cop point her gun at herself she was clearly fighting to keep from pulling the trigger. And tonight Eden seemed to very quickly turn the gun on herself and fire. If Sylar's power was working on the gun, at least in the case of Carnivale Cop Clea, he could have pulled the trigger and she should be dead. Plus, killing Pixie Eden so quickly works against his own interests, as her power would be a great one for him to have. I've got to think she killed herself.
Knowlege1027...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
10:03:53 PM
...I'm telling you, I think Peter's dream was a symbolic prophetic dream in which he sacrifices himself to blow up an evacuated New York and whatever horrible world threatening evil is there, using Nuke Guy's powers. I really think I sort of believe this.
The Haitian needs a Hero name
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
10:04:45 PM
How about Mindsquisher?
Red Ned lych
by knowledge1027
Dec 4th, 2006
10:05:37 PM
I hope your right, because that would truly make Peter a kick ass hero/character
RNL: Nah I think he's seeing Sylar do it
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
10:06:07 PM
But I do think the vision has a warning about Peter controlling his power.
Prof.Ikamono
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
10:09:00 PM
Another mystery, I guess I've got Micah powers also. ;)

Naw, it's just the "br" html code.
I don't know, Chrth...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
10:10:18 PM
...it wouldn't have occurred to me if Claire hadn't stopped to say what she did and if there wasn't this whole preordained martyr riff they were playing with Peter. And all those empty cars with the doors still open. Oh, by the way, Haitian Whiteout, The Cone of Haitian Silence or Haitian Zero.
Chrth...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
10:11:48 PM
...and I would have added Zuvembie to that list, but that's too nerdish even for me.
RNL: "Haitian Zero"? Make it so!
by chrth
Dec 4th, 2006
10:12:39 PM
Love it.

While I think it's interesting what Claire says, I can't get over the watch. Just like when Mohinder's Pop dies, the camera seems to like the watch a little too much, if you know what I mean.

Mindsquisher has my vote.
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
10:13:10 PM
Just remember, I was the guy to coin "Cheerverine". Well, at least in these here talkbacks.
You've just been mindsquished.
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
10:14:54 PM
I LIKE IT! Good.
Chrth...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
10:15:55 PM
...but then again, maybe Sylar is why Peter has to do what he does. And yeah, I know I tend to get overly ambitous in my hopes for how far this show will go.
Peter's dream
by Ironmuskrat
Dec 4th, 2006
10:16:46 PM
It hard to tell what the meaning of peter's dream is. In the past he has appeared to enter other peoples dreams, Simone's father and possible Nathan. So I would have to say he has some sort of psychic link with Sylar at this point. That would mean either his dream was from Sylar's point of view or it was Peter and he does lose control at some point. I am guessing he meets up with Sylar at some point in the future where Sylar is much more powerful and cannot deal with the amount of power he mimics from him. Just a guess.
RNL: Universal Theory!
by Arguendo
Dec 4th, 2006
10:17:40 PM
RNL, I like your theory, but how's this to add to it. Jessica does have the power to enter people's bodies. Sylar steal's radioactive man's power and rampages. Peter steals Jessica's powers enters into Sylar's body and detonates Sylar to save the world? Pretty nifty eh?
Prof.Ikamono...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
10:17:55 PM
Papa Doc's boys have a name too hard to spell. I tossed aside Baron Samedi for much the same reason.
Yeah, it's just a dream, not a vision of future events.
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
10:19:00 PM
Well, not a 100% accurate vision of future events. Why would Claire and Matt be in their uniforms? Why would Nathan be all gussied up?
Eden sacrificed herself
by Molly_Millionz
Dec 4th, 2006
10:20:13 PM
I'm quite curious why Sylar had powers when Eden was ther but either had them supressed when she wasn't there or had been hiding them. Maybe he was luring her out. But I am quite positive that she killed herself, because he was talking about how she couldn't kill him but that he would enjoy taking her powers and using them to manipulate others, then immediately after that line, you see her wrist turn directions with the gun and BAM. Sylar would want her brain so she would want to destroy it before he could do that. Great ep and some really good reveals. Looking forward to 2007 when it returns.
Can we put one thing to rest?
by Fish Tank
Dec 4th, 2006
10:20:45 PM
Pixie Chick definitely killed herself to avoid being absorbed/analyzed by Sylar. He even said "No!" before she did. [Sigh] Stop posting otherwise.
Ironmuskrat...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
10:21:02 PM
...the similar idea that Peter absorbs Nuke Guy's powers and can't handle them was my first thought, too. But that doesn't jibe with the empty city or the reactions of the others. And dreaming from Sylar's pov makes no sense with Claire's words, clearly spoken to the pov.
btw, the last post jumped two spots.
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
10:21:09 PM
I'm awesome.
Changing the Future...
by Arguendo
Dec 4th, 2006
10:21:54 PM
Oddly, while there has been much debate about whether or not Hiro can change the past by travelling into it, there seems to be a lack of discussion on whether anyone can change the future after Isaac has painted it. I'm not wholly certain (I don't remember the painting w/dead cheerleader too well), whether any of his paintings provde false.
Arguendo...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
10:27:03 PM
...my interpretation only, but it seems like everything in Isaac's paintings has come to pass. I can't think of any that were changed. But in that time honored tradition of prophecies, they haven't always meant what their most obvious interpretation might lead one to believe.
Hey, Arguendo...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
10:30:09 PM
...I missed that earlier post. If the guys making this show had those kind of superhero comics chops...nah, even I'm not that starry eyed. Yet.
Dinosaurs + Samurai Swords + Nuclear Men =
by zillabeast
Dec 4th, 2006
10:32:37 PM
I have no fucking idea. But I absolutely LOVE IT!!!!!
And thank you, Arguendo...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
10:33:33 PM
...for making me realize that this show has managed to reduce me to my twelve year old self. That was a few decades ago. Feels surprisingly good.
Arguendo
by Ironmuskrat
Dec 4th, 2006
10:33:44 PM
Good point about Isaac. I don't think any of Isaac painting have been false so far, however not all have been in the order that we had been lead to believe, Hiro and Ando's arrival at the school after everything happened didn't jive with the sequence of pictures built by Peter and Issac. Actually another question might be was Issac painting the future or the past when did the Hiro vs. T-Rex picture, or was he painting that Hiro was go back to pass in the future?
I used to hate Peter...
by Billyeveryteen
Dec 4th, 2006
10:35:54 PM
Yet, I got choked up when he started to 'spolde. Oh, and T-rex FTW!
Y'know, if you think about it...
by Shermdawg
Dec 4th, 2006
10:36:56 PM
The Hiro and th redread's arc doesn't make a lick of sense. Hiro said he jumped forward and back and there was still no way to save her, meaning if she hadn't been killed by Sylar, she'd been killed by teh tumor.

And I'm guessing Hiro, for some god forsaken reason, let the Sylar path happen, due to his comment to "Mr.Iss-ock". Why? Why woud he choose to let the woman he cared about die in that way?

And could it be possible that he caused her tumor? She overloaded her brain with info and "BOOM!", kinda like Pete.

And consider the halth problems of Claire (who was cured), Pete's coughing, and the redheads tumor, could it be linked to the "cure"? And are all of the Heroes in danger of devloping some sort of fatal illnesses due to their possible contact with the drug, which most likely caused mutation in the fist place.
...chrth - How do you stop an exploding man?
by Freefinger
Dec 4th, 2006
10:38:23 PM
After thinking 'bout your question I taught to myself that if you wanted to stop him you would need to kill him. Well. . maybe THAT would set the whole KABOOM thing and kill everyone in the process. I then thaught 'bout sealing him in a really big Ziplock bag, heck they say it will keep anything inside, inside, and anything outside, outside... But then again, it's made of plastic so it would melt before it could contain anything... So, how 'bout we change is mind, you know, like making him think of something else so he would not think about what his about to happen... Ok.. Shop a body part, leg, arm, finger anything, this would really make him switch from whatever he's thinking to "WHAT THE FUCK!!! YOU CHOPPED IT RIGHT OFF!!!" but, then again, that might also be a trigger to let the Nuclear Explosion out... So after many debate and thinking I saw only one option that would not release anything, would not kill him, yet would make him think of something else... I know what works for me. If I'm thinking of something and this happens to me, I'm pretty fu**ing sure I'm going to stop whatever I'm doing and be 100% concetrated on the task at hand... A real good kick in the balls, now that's how you stop a man from going Nuclear on your city.
by...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
10:39:01 PM
...so many more letters used in your posts than your name, and yet they're equally empty. You have a sad power.
Anyone have a screencap of Hiro vs. Dinosaur yet?
by zillabeast
Dec 4th, 2006
10:41:40 PM
Maybe?
Shermdawg...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
10:42:59 PM
...we see Hiro get bounced at the point when he's about to kiss WikiWaitress, and we see him unable to squint his way back. I don't think he had the choice. Not that I'm sure dying in the blink of an eye isn't superior to the possible loss of functions, memory, mood control, etc. that can come with a brain tumor anyway, though if the option had existed it would have probably been good to keep Sylar from getting her power.
Chrth (old bowling post)
by Arguendo
Dec 4th, 2006
10:43:09 PM
"Therefore, by predicting a 194-211 series for you, it's very likely it won't happen." You've actually just "predicted" all possible outcomes -- a 194-211 series and that it won't happen. I think the only possible outcome remaining is that he both does and doesn't make a 194-211 series, which isn't implausible with our parallel timeline discussions...
Sylar takes nuclear powers, can't control them, kaboom?
by AdrianVeidt
Dec 4th, 2006
10:43:49 PM
I think this is an interesting idea, but I feel that Sylar would be smart enough not to absorb such uncontrollable powers. But he does have a power complex and he might try to absorb radioactive man's powers and just lose control. It's possibly true (mentioned earlier) that Peter is seeing things from Sylar's perspective... god, january 22nd is too far away. if i start dating someone by then, they will take a backseat to my geekdom and this show.
Thank you, RNL...
by Arguendo
Dec 4th, 2006
10:44:46 PM
... for your initial thought provoking post.
Exploding Man = Godzilla vs. Destroyah
by zillabeast
Dec 4th, 2006
10:53:56 PM
Freeze the sonofabitch. Wait. That didn't work out after all.
Guess we shouldn't even...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
10:56:04 PM
...be so chicken-county as to assume Peter and Nathan's dad is dead. I mean he was involved with organized crime, was under investigation, and in the grandest comic book tradition...we haven't seen the body.
Eden Used Her Power...
by Prior Walter
Dec 4th, 2006
10:56:37 PM
in that room as well, so maybe she turned off whatever it was blocking Sylar's power. I doubt it was just the Haitian who was surpressing his powers, because HRG wouldn't so easily leave Sylar alone with his powers like that.
Shuresh's VO
by Arguendo
Dec 4th, 2006
10:56:39 PM
Hey, is this the first episode w/out a VO by Shuresh, or did I miss it? I really didn't _miss_ it, so much as didn't hear it...
WikiWaitress and Sylar
by Molly_Millionz
Dec 4th, 2006
11:02:09 PM
I wonder if WikiWaitress's brain tumour will have any effect on Sylar. We know he takes people's brains, I don't know if he like eats them or has them all in jars connected together or some crazy thing like that but maybe the tumour will start affecting his abilities and/or control. I mean, the writers specifically gave WikiWaitress a brain tumour instead of another type of cancer, and Sylar takes brains, I think the writers are going somewhere with that. Also, I wonder if they manage to kill Sylar but since Peter can't control any of the powers he absorbs accidentally all of Sylar's and after they have their victory over him, they have to contend with Peter who is now going to accidentally blow up. I like the idea of Nathan flying him into space and then Peter sending him back down after he's at a safe distance to tell Nathan to save the world now that he's gone. Maybe this will help Nathan from falling into the dark side of politics.
Arguendo...
by Red Ned Lynch
Dec 4th, 2006
11:06:05 PM
Neither the wife or I remember there being one. Certainly there wasn't one at the end. Oddly, I don't feel cheated.
Hiro better be going to prehistoric age...
by torpor_haze
Dec 4th, 2006
11:11:34 PM
or a lot of people are going to be pissed off if he's on a ride at Universal Studios. Oh but wait, why is Isaac drawing the past anyway?
peter's dream
by MoseSchrute
Dec 4th, 2006
11:13:02 PM
Peter is getting a little delirious. Maybe from laying there next to sylar after he fell off the ceiling peter established some weird psychic connection or he absorbed a multitude of powers that Sylar Evil-Deaded and Peter doesn't understand them. So Peter is having strange visions, like seeing Sylar in his cell and he has this vision of the future that maybe is him sacrificing himself, or maybe in his delirium he thinks he's having a vision of himself, but it's someone else, sylar/nuke guy. Either way, he needs to somehow get his scar, could he survive the blast and have a massive burn mark?
isaac and past
by MoseSchrute
Dec 4th, 2006
11:15:46 PM
Since Hiro is traveling to the past, in the future, it's kind of the past and the future at the same time. I think.
yeah that's probably it...
by torpor_haze
Dec 4th, 2006
11:22:51 PM
but it would be cooler if Hiro went millions of years into future and men are possibly extinct bringing another age of dinosaurs.
Linderman IS the Petrelli brother's Father !!!
by DoogieHowitzer
Dec 4th, 2006
11:37:38 PM
Boogie
Prof.Ikamono, check out the 9th Wonders site
by zillabeast
Dec 4th, 2006
11:39:44 PM
The gallery features a little Uluru stamp. It's actually where I got the whole notion from, haha. http://9thwonders.com/gallery/ index.php
Good ep. Lacks gravity of BSG,but still good show...
by HappyHamster
Dec 4th, 2006
11:55:47 PM
OK, I'll avoid slobbering all over BSG in a Heroes talkback. Anyway, tonight's show was very, very good. I just wish all the eps could keep this intensity.

I also sense a Lost-like dropoff in Season 2, but I'll try to stay positive for now. :)

The end sequence
by tailhook
Dec 5th, 2006
12:11:09 AM
Seen some nice hyposthesis's... here's my take. a) Sylar finds out Jessica is in custody. He heads for her.. they head for him. They get to him just as he's about to kill her and finally kill him. b) Peter is there. Peter being close to Jessica has her power and the death of Sylar causes Sylar to become another half of Peter. Welcome to how Peter gets his scar except its alluding to a Harry Potter duality. c) Sylar now does his business as part of Peter and ends up killing Nuke Guy and absorbing his power.
Nikki/Jessica
by Briannicus
Dec 5th, 2006
12:16:55 AM
Nikki doesn't necessarily have any powers, what I think happened is that once Jessica was killed she entered Nikki's mind and continued to exist as her "protector" So we're not dealing with multiple personalities here, we are dealing with 2 individuals sharing one body. No need to piss and moan about the whole Micha/Nikki/D.L. thing, I'm sure it's going to join up with the gretaer part of the story eventually.
Haitian Negation
by SPlissken
Dec 5th, 2006
12:17:59 AM
heh. Though Mindsquisher is kinda funny too.
I like Ali Larter.......
by Jimmy Jazz
Dec 5th, 2006
12:41:28 AM
I like the CONCEPT behind Niki/Jessica and I think Larter is doing a good job with this/these role(s), but I just don't care about this storyline. Not only because (as Herc pointed out) it is so seemingly detached from the rest of the goings on, but also because I HATE CUTESY TV KIDS!!!!!! Take out DL and Boxey or whatever the fuck his name is and have Jessica go on a bloody trail of vengence. Aside from that I have to say that this show kicks ass. I might just have to tape 24 with my obsolete VHS videotapes and watch Heroes.
I like Ali Larter.......
by Jimmy Jazz
Dec 5th, 2006
12:41:32 AM
I like the CONCEPT behind Niki/Jessica and I think Larter is doing a good job with this/these role(s), but I just don't care about this storyline. Not only because (as Herc pointed out) it is so seemingly detached from the rest of the goings on, but also because I HATE CUTESY TV KIDS!!!!!! Take out DL and Boxey or whatever the fuck his name is and have Jessica go on a bloody trail of vengence. Aside from that I have to say that this show kicks ass. I might just have to tape 24 with my obsolete VHS videotapes and watch Heroes.
Best.Show.Ever.
by DarthMusashi2112
Dec 5th, 2006
01:02:11 AM
Fuck yes, life is good!
simplest explanations/guesses
by The.Founder.
Dec 5th, 2006
01:56:18 AM
Peter's powers. Anyone remember Synch from GenX a few years back? only difference is he keeps all that power. it's backing up in him, that's why to big Explosion is coming. the cough is a side effect of Clairebear's healing power trying to find a way to release the energy, that's why she is apologizing to him. His vision's are coming from Isaac's powers. He take s a power and cranks it to the fullest extent. That's why he could float perfectly on the Hospital roof, heal instantly after being dead, and continue to do so even with CLaire not being nearby, Mind link and nearly blow out PSycop's mind. He cranks the power's he gets up to the highest level. Something will cause him to interact with RadiationMan. maybe tracking him down before Sylar can? Kinda how everyone is all gathered in the same place. He finds him first and they realize he's gonna pop. that's what it looked like to me anyway. as for HRG's boss. and the Haitian. Easy guess. Hiro. Future Hiro . Manipulating everything to reset time, since he can't act directly to do anything without overloading his power or slingshotting himself right back to the present. He's playing a game of chess and lining up all the pieces for the best outcome. Peter blows up N.Y. killing Sylar, and establishes a need for Public response to the changes Humanity will be facing. All the while Whatever marked certain individuals, will be watching everything. maybe .....Just a guess.
A Talkback I Like!
by KCMOSHer
Dec 5th, 2006
03:11:04 AM
I'm actually digging this talkback. This show is just incredible, it's cool to see so many completely different yet completely plausible outcomes. Hiro's the mastermind behind it all, no Peter's to blame for it all, etc. All I know is GAH I CAN NOT WAIT SEVEN WEEKS YOU BASTARDS! As for notes of the talkbacks I've read so far, based on my own deductions: Charlie didn't have a tumor, she had an aneurysm and a blood clot. She was a ticking time bomb, but it was not a tumah. That's physical, has nothing to do with powers. Peter's vision tonight is inexplicable. His power very clearl is related to the proximity to the person with the power and possibly the length of time since he came in physical contact with them. He didn't keep flying on his own, remember? Those aren't Isaac's visions. Also, that vision was not 100% accurate. Look at the way everyone is dressed. Do you really think Matt is going to be in his LAPD uniform in NYC? Think Claire will be running around in her cheerleader outfit while saving New York? It's allegorical, which is unlike Isaac's visions...and also unlike any super we've seen so far. Does his vision involve his apparent illness, or is there another unidentified super who has visions of the future nearby? No idea. I also don't know why he's sick, unless Claire's powers didn't 'stick' and his injuries started to return or something. The only thing I know for sure after this episode: I can not WAIT to see Hiro Vs. the T-Rex. That painting made me downright turgid, baby.
wow, and bowling
by BadMrWonka
Dec 5th, 2006
03:15:16 AM
first off, tailhook, that's a plausible sequence of events to lead up to that. but why is everyone giving up/apologizing to Peter before he explodes? running briskly from a nuclear explosion doesn't exactly save you, ya know? do something!! unless he has to do a little mini-explosion, for some reason, like to kill himself/Sylar. who knows? anyway, on to pressing matters: bowling scores. I bowled a 184, then a 201, on the way to a victory for my team and the championship. high score both games! the weird thing is, both scores were exactly 10 pins less than chrth's predictions. could it be, that I was actually destined to get the scores he posted, but by posting them, he dropped be down 10 pins a game? but I never read his post til just a few minutes ago. fate? weird. as for this episode, I will have to digest a little, before I weigh in too much (as I see chrth is doing as well) but I do have this to offer. Sylar was imprisoned when HRG was there (and presumably when he wasn't there, since he's sitting there meditating when HRG gives him food), but had the power to escape when Pixie Chick came in. so what was the difference? if HRG is immune to powers, like he was when Pixie first tried to use her voice on him, that explains why Sylar was supressed as they spoke, but why couldn't he just bust out when HRG was gone? and if the room itself had some power to stop him, why didn't it work when Pixie was there? and why didn't it stop her from using her powers? and why didn't her powers work on Sylar? (that's a minor one, with many answers) well, the only explanation I've come up with is this: the only thing different in the last circumstance when Pixie bit it, was that the Haitian was nowhere around. does that mean he can stop powers? and if so, why didn't he stop Nathan from flying? I am so confused. but I love it!
wait, tailhook you might have it
by BadMrWonka
Dec 5th, 2006
03:16:54 AM
if they say sorry and bye jsut before nathan slies him to the sky, that would make sense. still, why run? he's going into the stratosphere! anyway, if that actually ends up happening, I'm mailing you a beer. but it will contain salmonella because you gave away the ending so early for me!
Aw crap...
by The Selecter
Dec 5th, 2006
03:25:47 AM
they killed PixieChick. You knew she would do something stupid when they zoomed in on HRG keying in the combo to Sylar's cell. I was hoping Niki would take one for the team instead and get popped by that cop she approached. I certainly hope that her plot line eventually becomes relevant, 'cuz it currently wastes time that should be devoted to the more interesting characters. I wonder who HRG's boss is, since he was taking orders from someone else about handling Sylar. Mondays in 2007 are gonna be good.
kcmosher
by BadMrWonka
Dec 5th, 2006
03:31:10 AM
what if everything you said happened as you said it, but with the nathan flying peter into the sky thing, instead of blowing up NYC. as I said before, most of these heroes are at least smart enough that they would know running away from a nuclear blast would do nothing. I like the idea of future Hiro running things, but I think the logistics are too weird. I mean, he can pop into a subway car and chat with someone, but can't do anything more direct than that? fine, do it every 10 minutes for every character. and how the hell would he call HRG's cell phone? again, cool idea, but I think it's too out there. everything else you said makes perfect sense though, especially about Peter. I'll have to think of any more examples of him reusing powers (albeit in a lesser/different form) after absorbing them.

why do I feel like such a nerd in these talkbacks? and why do I like it so much? I'm becoming a nerd! also, I was watching Heroes with a friend, and I mentioned "Ando's power is being awesome" and he laughed hard. kudos for whoever made that up (chrth?), I got a laugh out of it. and I gave AICN no credit! holla!
Hiro doesn't go into prehistoric times...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Dec 5th, 2006
03:35:33 AM
My guess: He winds up somehow at one of those cheesy roadside attractions, a so-called "dinosaur park" which has giant dinosaur statues. It is in this location that Hiro engages in a fight with somebody (Sylar?). So we may see this scene play out sometime this season, as the characters gather up in NYC. ... Also, I don't think I've read anybody here mentioning this, but it appears that the Haitian did not mind-wipe Claire. He wants her to remember everything, because he has a bigger plan in mind, and is secretly plotting against HRG.
Two points regarding Peter's vision...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Dec 5th, 2006
03:45:09 AM
1) Issac is there alive and well. When Hiro went into the future, he took himself out of the timeline. He disappeared, and therefore he and Ando never went on their roadtrip, and thus never met Issac. By simply returning to the past (to the point when he originally left), his very presence and actions are already continuing to rewrite future history. 2) It was Peter, not Peter seeing things from another person's point of view (Sylar or Nuke Guy). We know because Simone tries to run to Peter, but Issac stops her. Claire says "I'm sorry" to him, and appears to recognize him. And finally, Nathan appears to look at Peter sadly just before the inevitable happens.
The latest Heroes comic on NBC.com
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Dec 5th, 2006
04:02:49 AM
WHOA. Spoiler alert. Check it out, guys: It tells you EXACTLY what happened to Eden and Sylar afterwards. Did Eden commit suicide? Is Eden alive? Did Sylar escape? These questions are answered in the comic!
a really great episode
by dragon-lord
Dec 5th, 2006
05:14:33 AM
This show is only getting better.
Hiro and Gojira
by Southpaw_Samurai
Dec 5th, 2006
06:02:44 AM
Since someone mentioned the T-Rex/Man-in-Suit/Gojira relation, I'm surprised no one brought up Masi Oka's bit part in Austin Powers 3 where all the Japanese are running around screaming 'Godzilla!' and Masi steps into frame and says, "Actually, it may LOOK like Godzilla, but due to international copyright issues, it's obviously not." I only just recently watched the movie and while on the whole it was mediocre, knowing Masi as Hiro made the movie worth it just for that five second scene.
Told Ya So
by Roboteer
Dec 5th, 2006
07:39:48 AM
Not a huge feat of deduction, but I alone posted right here, right after last week's episode that Dad really understimated Sylar. That Sylar HAD to escape in the half season finale, and that whoever was guarding him at the time would be the dead Hero. In a flip of a coin, I guessed the Haitian over Eden and was unlucky on that. But with some real accuity (surprised myself), I predicted that Sylar would NOT be able to absorb the dying Hero's power. {Has too many already for writers to deal with. And I like it that it is driving him insane.)......... Not sure what's going on with Peter P. Why is he sick with the dreaded 'Hollywood cough', even with Claire present? Is he mimicing someone with lung cancer? How is that a power? Why is he having prescient dreams with the young Indian dream weaver still on the sub-continent? Did Moe bring him back with him? Or are Peter's recurring spirit visions an adjunct to his powers? Obviously, his future explosive personality must mean RadMan is nearbye. That's not as inexpliquable as the rest. (Be careful, don't construct this conceivable world, and then casually violate it.) When they first revealed RadMan's existence, it became clear enough for even me to mention that NYC's demise might be accidental. That's looking on-target. Is the Niki thread over for now? That family has so many personal problems there seemed no way to involve them saving the world. They weren't terrible, just odd man out thematically (as I also pointed out a week ago), but can be brought back some other arc. Nice chemistry between Hiro/Ando of course, Claire/Peter developing, Matt/Audrey very cute together (ditch wife), Eden/Isaac uh, er nevermind. Shame we lost Claire's gay sidekick for now. Just when ya start liking the Dad (Mr. Bennett) and feel ya can trust him, he does something needlessly cruel. Did he have to scoop Claire's friend from grade school? What good is scooping Claire? This show is the best out there especially with GALACTICA starting to drift. (Get past the limitations of the original series, will ya? Find Earth already! Or better, maybe they find you.) One caution, I know the HEROES budget is cast/relationship heavy, but we wanna see pipe wielding mutants get medievel on one another. Right? Bring in some movie SPFX/stunt people for the main event. Toe-to-toe superpowered combat with the Russkies, er Sylar that is, not lame falling from a building or mind control. Spend the money, save the franchise. And yes, Hiro battling a T-rex with a sword is ultra-cool, if fatal. You're not Superman you know.
My humble theory on exploding Peter
by Prisonrules
Dec 5th, 2006
07:53:54 AM
Two things struck me as I watched that final scene....first, Claire was running toward Peter...and then says I'm sorry and turns to run away. And second, Peter looks genuinely terrified that he's exploding. So, my theory falls in line with an earlier post. Peter absorbs Nuke dude's powers in order to destroy Sylar...the explosion is a deliberate attempt to take out Sylar...thus the evacuated city. Claire runs towards him hoping that her power will be absorbed into Peter so that he...and she will survive the explosion. Just a random theory that seems to make sense to me. And wouldn't that be ballsy of this show to blow up NYC!!! That would trump anything 24 has done in the past!
Did anyone even WATCH the show?
by Dreth
Dec 5th, 2006
07:56:46 AM
C'mon, it wasn't hard to follow. 1)Sylar's powers were surpressed for a bit, but he clearly stated that his main power was to "figure out how thigns work." i.e.- he adapted and was able to use his powers 2)That shot of him yanking hsi hand back and pullign Eden through plateglass was AWESOME. That beign said, she CLEARLY blew her own brains out to prevent him from gaining her power 3)Peter got the "cough" because there was more than one hero in his vincinty. It's like overloading 4)The dream sequence in the end was a warning, but I don't think it was from Peter's power. I think someone sent it to him. Thus he will find Doctor Who and the Doctor will help him "tune in" the powers in his vicinity. He will then effectively be able to counter Sylar 5)on the same note, he will become more rogue -like and I think he will gain the ability to absorb and remove another's powers. Ala Radioactive Man
Frakking awesome episode
by turketron
Dec 5th, 2006
07:56:52 AM
That's the only way to describe it. They outdid themselves this time. There were so many cool moments in this episode: The "feedback" between PsychiCop and Peter, The Hatian speaking to Claire and having intentions that are not the same as HornRimmedGlasses, Hiro vs. T-Rex (gave me flashbacks to A Sound of Thunder, which was adapted as a TERRIBLE movie), Peter's vision which we may be misinterpreting... he might go all flashy-nuclear, but maybe Hiro does something or maybe he doesn't actually explode (leaving him with a really bad SCAR), and MOTHERFUCKING SYLAR BEING THE BADASS THAT HE IS. That guy is beyond cool... too bad Eden had to die, but I'd rather lose her than anyone else at this point. For some reason, Sylar with the facial hair and imprisonment behind glass reminds me of how Jack has looked on Lost lately. I also liked the "If-then" musings of Hiro and Ando about "save the cheerleader, save the world". I'm going to be pulling my hair out about whether to watch 24 or Heroes live come January. I'll probably do 24, download Heroes, and watch it Tuesday night at 9. Nothing on at that time anyway.
Not a T-Rex
by Diagnostic
Dec 5th, 2006
07:59:56 AM
T-Rex's have only two digits on their upper appendages, not three. I suspect it is an allosoar. BTW Isaac's paintings always have a twist. It is possible that Isaac painted Sci-Fi's reimagining of Puff the Magic dragon.
and as for the "if/then" statement
by Prisonrules
Dec 5th, 2006
08:03:34 AM
Save the Cheerleader, save the world...it's an if/then statement. But not in the sense that we've all been interpreting it. Claire has nothing to do with being able to save the world...but by saving her...it brought the heroes together...and started them down the road that will lead to them, one-day, being superheroes. And once they started down that road...they will have many opportunities to save the world.....But now the question remains....is my name on friggin list!!!!! B4R6A
Good morning! Two things (and BadMrWonka)
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
08:38:45 AM
1) I believe that R.I.PixieChick turned off the power suppression function of the room in order to use her power on Sylar, and that's what helped Sylar 'escape' (not sure, haven't read the comic yet). Although one wonders why she didn't say to him first "Swallow your tongue"

2) EVERYONE has forgotten what HRG told Sylar: his body/mind is falling apart because he's reworked his DNA too many times taking powers. That's why Sylar needs Claire's power, to stave off the deterioration, NOT to use himself as a bomb and survive (as we've predicted in the past). Therefore, it seems to me that since Sylar hasn't gotten to Claire, once he gets Radiation Dude (who, as we have seen, has little control of his powers), that'll be the final straw and Sylar will just Ka-Blammo!

This has implications, namely: Saving the cheerleader had nothing to do with saving New York! Saving the cheerleader was done to save the world from a Sylar who wasn't degenerating and thus who would grow "infinitely" strong. The Heroes have saved the world, but at the same time: they've doomed New York!

Whoops, forgot to add (BadMrWonka)
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
08:40:10 AM
Congratulations on the bowling victory! Now you'll always wonder if I deliberately made the predicted scores ten pins higher ...
Awesome epi
by rhaps0dy
Dec 5th, 2006
08:51:26 AM
Great stuff, what a cliffhanger and one of the best episodes of the season!! I just hope that peters dream was more symbolic than actual as his one of my fav characters for sure and has actually really grown on me! Mainly for his chemistry with claire and other actors but also the way he has embraced his powers! Out of interest when did peter first start getting ill?? Was it when he first met the police dude who if i'm not mistaken was showing identical symptoms to peter!!?
Regarding Peter's cough...
by dp4m
Dec 5th, 2006
08:59:26 AM
... what if Sylar absorbs the entire brain with his mutant cannibalism which means he got WikiWoman's cancer riding inside of him now, which Peter then conveniently absorbed (magnified by the poster above who supposed that Peter magnifies the powers he absorbs). Eventually the cancer will disappear from his system (like the other powers fade) but it certainly would explain the mysterious cough for the time being...
Vote for Mindsquisher and the paintings...
by leesheri
Dec 5th, 2006
09:07:42 AM
they saved the cheerleader.... her top was not popped like in the painting. Maybe, Hiro can't change things in the past... but Peter can... because of something to do with his power that we don't know about yet.
chrth good morning and I agree with
by leesheri
Dec 5th, 2006
09:12:58 AM
your last comment.
a side note... you guys picking on the cop, lay off, he is one of the hot guys on the show! What woman wouldn't want to be with a guy that can read her mind and give her exactly what she wants?? No awkward talking in bed...
If Sylar uses DNA
by veritasses
Dec 5th, 2006
09:55:28 AM
to figure out "how things work" to take on their powers, how does Pixie Chick shooting herself stop Sylar from sampling her DNA? There's still room for imporvement for this show (some creative directing and cinematography would be nice and of course the writing, though this last ep wasn't that bad) but it feeds all the geek needs nicely with some great geek moments.
chrth
by biggles2_22
Dec 5th, 2006
09:55:30 AM
Hi chrth, Future self again. Just another request to stop the whacking off during Heroes. Eyesight is still blurry.
if or then
by Shakes
Dec 5th, 2006
09:57:57 AM
anyone else pick up on hiro and ando arguing whether it's "if you save the cheerleader, you save the world", or "save the cheerleader, then save the world" A funny nod to the TB's
Spoiler fir Hiro and the dinosaur
by Lovecraftfan
Dec 5th, 2006
10:00:07 AM
My friend as an extra at the Natural History Museum. In the scene Hiro steals a sword from the display case. There is also a dinosaur statue there.
Spoiler for Sylar
by rtms
Dec 5th, 2006
10:13:05 AM
According to the comic on the Heroes website, Sylar is captured right after wards, which doesn't make sense with the end of the ep.
Sorry Professor...
by biggles2_22
Dec 5th, 2006
10:13:25 AM
As chrth's future self, I'm not allowed to be near monkeys (by court order) as I tend to spank them. Ergo, my blindness. Follow my timeline here, bud.
biggles2_22 apparently wasn't paying attention
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
10:17:38 AM
When I said my future self has a codeword. He hasn't found it, and isn't going to. DENIED.
biggles2_22, if you are my future self
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
10:22:18 AM
Just email me the codeword to my email address, since you should know both.
Sorry, Prof.Ikamono, my bad. Was testing something
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
10:28:39 AM
"Leave the guilt" (comic book) -- timeline issues
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
10:35:00 AM
If Mindsquisher/Haitian Zero is there to stop Sylar after R.I.PixieChick has killed herself, does that mean HRG has already gone home and seen that Claire has been "dealt with" before going over there? So we won't see that scene when the show picks up in the future?
Dammit, Hiro goes back millions of years...
by Billyeveryteen
Dec 5th, 2006
10:42:31 AM
Quit harshing my buzz with this "museum" shit!
chrth, I'd like to help me past self...
by biggles2_22
Dec 5th, 2006
10:54:05 AM
...apparently I've changed my own password at some point AFTER this posting (that's the future to you). So, if you don't mind keeping everything consistant for posterity sake (also, I (you) don't want to create a paradox in the timeline) please change your password to B-O-S-C-O after the new year, that would be great. Also, "past self", fear not, they've cured my mild retardation but that won't be for a couple of years. Until then, keep the helmet on!
leesheri: About Isaac's Dead Cheerleader Painting
by GuitarAtomik
Dec 5th, 2006
11:01:01 AM
Remember, Sylar DID pop the top off a cheerleader. It just turned out not to be Claire's. So Isaac's paintings have technically all come true.
Dream observations
by BizarroJerry
Dec 5th, 2006
11:11:08 AM
Just wanted to point out a couple of things with Peter's dream. He sees Nikki and family, but has not actually met any of them. He doesn't even know they exist. And has he actually seen Hiro? He only met Ando, right?
biggles2_22=loser
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
11:21:06 AM
Get off the TB if you're not going to take the show seriously. This isn't a Lost talkback.
BizarroJerry: Yeah, I was trying to figure that out too
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
11:23:46 AM
He sees PsyCop in a uniform in the vision, but hasn't before. He might have seen Hiro and Ando correctly because of Isaac's painting. And yeah, where does Nikki, DL, and Micah come into it? So while I'm sure the vision is figurative, not literal, it's interesting that it's providing new info.
Nikki = The Hulk
by Novaman5000
Dec 5th, 2006
11:27:15 AM
As soon as she learns to control her rage and super strength, she will be badass.
Guitar-
by Novaman5000
Dec 5th, 2006
11:30:11 AM
Jackie's head wasn't technically popped off, just cut, as if someone stopped him from finishing it... So says Psycop.
The painting of the dead cheerleader shows a lot of
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
11:34:31 AM
blood, and the way it's painted it's hard to say whether the top of the head has been cut off in it. I'll see if I can find the tinyurl I posted with a closeup of the cheerleader.
wow, no one bitching
by lofe101
Dec 5th, 2006
11:36:37 AM
this must of been a good episode. cant wait till january now.
Ok, found the pic: http://tinyurl.com/vxhvy
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
11:38:24 AM
To be honest, it looks like the head is intact underneath the blood, but that could be an effect of the way it was painted.
my take on the vision
by Novaman5000
Dec 5th, 2006
11:38:38 AM
Obviously this vision has something to do with the sudden cold that peter has come down with. What, I'm not sure. I have been thinking for a while now that the radioactive man was going to be the explosion in NY (due to his comment about not being sure what would happen if he was shot), and now it seems that I was at least partially right. It seems Peter is going to get this guy's power somehow in NY, obviously after coming in contact with him, and perhaps he won't be able to control it? It seems somewhat like Peter is sacrificing himself, so maybe the explosion is on purpose. As for WHY it's happening... Perhaps peter came in contact with someone in the PD that had this vision power and unwittingly took it from them? Someone we haven't seen yet?
Peter's cough and Claire
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
11:42:13 AM
Even when he was around Claire, it didn't heal. I wonder if she has another vulnerability besides the typical branch-in-your-brain? Maybe her body can't heal illnesses such as pneuomonia, only withstand physical ailments such as cuts and breaks?
If all of Issac's paintings are coming true...
by Novaman5000
Dec 5th, 2006
11:42:20 AM
It looks like there's going to be no way to stop that explosion. Still, NY looked pretty deserted... Maybe the heroes will be able to evacuate it in time? Or maybe they can change the cause of the explosion to be sylar. Will he survive the season? I wonder if this show is going to introduce a new villain every year? I'd prefer it be a huge arc as opposed to self contained seasons, aka lost, BSG, but that's just me.
Or, maybe Peter was just seeing it through
by Novaman5000
Dec 5th, 2006
11:44:49 AM
someone elses eyes... Though the reactions of the characters made it seem like they were looking/speaking to him.
One thing i don't get with claire...
by Novaman5000
Dec 5th, 2006
11:46:10 AM
How come she can die and come back to life, yet we're supposed to believe sylar could kill her by cutting her head open? Isn't she pretty much immortal? Maybe sylar is special and once he takes your power, you lose it, hence they permanently dead thing.
Problem with Peter's Vision and Hiro's Vision
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
11:48:22 AM
In Peter's vision, the city appears evacuated outside of the Heroes (heck, kinda reminded me of that one scene in Vanilla Sky). And Isaac is there.

But in Hiro's vision, the police act as if everything is normal, and Isaac is dead. While it's possible Isaac's life has been saved since then, for some reason I don't think so. However, that begs the question:

Why would Sylar explode if he can see/paint the future? Originally (a few weeks ago) I opined that Sylar would detonate-and-heal to take out several heroes in NYC (including Nathan Petrelli) after seeing the future due to Isaac's power. If, however, Sylar does detonate due to the DNA degradation, than that makes less sense. And if taking Radiation Dude (Up and Let's Go!) is the final trigger, wouldn't Sylar have foreseen that after taking Isaac?

It's a mystery. Guess we'll have to wait until 2007.

Novaman5000, he would kill her by removing her brain
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
11:49:49 AM
She didn't heal until after the branch was removed from her brain. Therefore, her brain is removed, no healing, RIP.
Well, Peter is kinda girlie with that haircut. And
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
11:56:29 AM
he is a nurse...
Random Interjection: Hiro's Sword
by Vaebn
Dec 5th, 2006
11:58:04 AM
Ya know, I always hate it when people adopt stylish weapons in shows that are infinitely less powerful than simple guns. But then I realized... when Hiro freezes time, bullets fired from his gun wouldn't move. But he'd still be able to swing his sword. So this may actually be the first time EVER that a sword has been justified over the use of a gun! Then I started imagining how cool it would be from the other heroes' perspectives when Hiro fights someone with his sword... he squints, then BAM, they're cut to ribbons. Kinda like the thousand-cranes in the coffee shop, but bloodier :D
true chrth
by Novaman5000
Dec 5th, 2006
12:29:15 PM
Also, i didn't see "exploding man" so much as "human torch" in that painting. Also, perhaps this is showing us that they CAN change the future. Hiro's vision was if he had done nothing and 5 months later simply gone to issac's house. Now, they've taken steps to prevent that. Because Hiro went to work, came to america, contacted Issac, Issac is saved, the city might be evacuated. Still, that bomb (whoever it may be) is still going off. They aren't finished yet. I don't think these visions contradict eachother, though.
la voz
by count_olaf
Dec 5th, 2006
12:33:11 PM
has anyone addressed why eden's voice didn't/doesn't work on sylar? His powers were working, why weren't hers? oh, and Uluru was mentioned by DL whilst comic booking with his son by the pool.
HIRO IN AUSTIN POWERS VIDEO
by JBouganim
Dec 5th, 2006
12:38:49 PM
HEY GUYS JUST THOUGHT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE VIDEO ONE OF THE OTHER MEMBERS MENTIONED....ITS HYSTERICAL..THANK GOD FOR YOUTUBE http://youtube.com/watch?v=wL8 pwDj4IGM costarring bad guy from tokyo drift
HIRO IN AUSTIN POWERS VIDEO
by JBouganim
Dec 5th, 2006
12:38:53 PM
HEY GUYS JUST THOUGHT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE VIDEO ONE OF THE OTHER MEMBERS MENTIONED....ITS HYSTERICAL..THANK GOD FOR YOUTUBE http://youtube.com/watch?v=wL8 pwDj4IGM costarring bad guy from tokyo drift
Vaebn...
by torpor_haze
Dec 5th, 2006
12:38:57 PM
yep, that would be cool. But then we wake up and realize the show is on NBC not HBO.
cookymaloo: You're forgetting other things she's done
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
12:47:14 PM
Like frame DL for murder she committed. And killing the poker players.
chrth=Francis
by biggles2_22
Dec 5th, 2006
12:57:07 PM
"Lighten up, Francis." Future prediction Nathan will be forced to sacrifice himself by flying the nuke-man or his brother far enough away from the city so that no life is lost (other than themselves).
Prof.Ikamono, the link works
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
01:03:50 PM
TB inserts a space into a long phrase (to prevent TB stretching), so the regulars know just to delete the space when copy pasting.
If Peter is near the Haitian
by Prior Walter
Dec 5th, 2006
01:18:10 PM
How would that work? The Haitian blocks powers, Peter absorbs them. Would he absorb the power to block powers? Maybe that's why he was coughing with Claire, because the Haitian was also nearby. I don't know.
nathan sacrificing himself by flying someone up...
by Novaman5000
Dec 5th, 2006
01:26:46 PM
Hiro could stop time, nathan could fly the guy up an get away with plenty of time. WITH THEIR POWERS COMBINED THEY COULD BE UNSTOPPABLE!!!!1!1!!!
What Happened to Peter according to Tim Kring
by FearlessJay
Dec 5th, 2006
01:34:44 PM
http://www.tv.com/story/7385.h tml?tag=headlines;title;3 I thought this was interesting. Peter obsorbs too much and go pop. Creates big badda boom. Of course, notice that he calls this a "theory."
Combining Powers
by dp4m
Dec 5th, 2006
01:40:16 PM
In theory -- despite Kring's theory above -- couldn't *Peter* just absorb Nathan's, Hiro's and Claire's powers and latch on to Sylar, stop time, fly Sylar high into the air, fly back, start time and heal the radioactive damage dealt to him with Claire's powers while Sylar "harmlessly" explodes somewhere out of range of NYC?
Haitian
by PwnedByStallone
Dec 5th, 2006
02:14:44 PM
He's the leech. He kept pixie from using her mind powers. He kept Matt from reading minds. And he kept Sylar at bay. This makes one wonder why Sylar didn't escape earlier, however. Another question is did Eden shoot herself or did Sylar make her shoot herself? It seemed unclear to me even though if he shot her we assuem he can't absorb her powers. Although we don't really know that either. And as far as the picture of Hiro and the T-Rex, I was not surprised. Don't you guys visit the heroes website? They have a bunch of other weird paitings, including that one, as downloadable wallpaper. Check it out. soem of the others are weird too. Like the one of a cheerleader, presumably Claire, engulfed in flame as if SHE is the Human Torch. I culd be a reference to her opening when she saved the people in the fire but it looks like she's controlling it. Very odd indeed.
Peters dream
by leesheri
Dec 5th, 2006
02:39:05 PM
so, was that really his experience or was he doing that weird thing he does like witnessing his brothers car accident? AK read the comic on nbc.com it explains that. also, if anyone has missed an episode they have all of them available to watch on nbc.com
I knew as soon as everyone started calling it a T-rex
by wolvenom
Dec 5th, 2006
02:39:33 PM
some little fag would come on here and bitch about how its not a t-rex. ITS A DAMN T-REX!!! AND EVEN IF ITS NOT TECHNICALLY A T-REX WTF CARES!! NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT HIRO vs. ALLOSAUR... THEY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HIRO VS. TREX..... looks like one, smells like one, talks like one... it is one. And no im not an asshole i just hate idiots who spout useless information that no one cares about. If i want to call it a t-rex ill call it a fuckin t-rex
wolvenom: this is why you shouldn't skip a dose
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
02:49:31 PM
Calllllllm dowwwwwwwwwn.
Hiro has the ability to absorb powers too!
by Ben Addiction
Dec 5th, 2006
02:51:12 PM
Hell, he's only been in the US for a few days (or weeks, if you count his six months before stint) and his English is radically improved. Hell, he can even correctly use articles like "An" before a vowel sound and it usually takes years of studying for Jpanese students to pull that off. So did he absorb the waitress's super-learning powers?
Yes Psynapse
by Novaman5000
Dec 5th, 2006
02:53:51 PM
But, like I said, it's pretty much like she's the hulk. Her alternate personality is out of control and extremely powerful. Her "curse" will become a "gift" only when she learns to control it.
My theory(ies) on Sylar:
by mbeemer
Dec 5th, 2006
02:57:42 PM
1. He doesn't "eat brains", he examines them to see how they generate their powers.

2. He doesn't "absorb powers", he alters himself on a small scale to replicate them.

3. He doesn't alter his DNA, he alters his brain's neural network.

4. He's starting to mentally break down because he's kludged his brain so often it can't perform it's normal functions properly.
And Masi Oka needs to call in every favor at ILM
by Ben Addiction
Dec 5th, 2006
03:03:03 PM
...if they seriously think they're gonna pull off a good T-Rex fight on a tv budget.
Ben I was thinking the exact same thing
by Novaman5000
Dec 5th, 2006
03:03:27 PM
I'd rather them not show that fight than show it and have it look like some 10 year old messing around in flash made it.
I loved how Hiro's first response when seeing the
by Novaman5000
Dec 5th, 2006
03:04:13 PM
picture was: "oh no, I hope I don't step on something and mess up the future." He totally wasn't worried about fighting a t-rex.
haha ok
by Novaman5000
Dec 5th, 2006
03:13:16 PM
Yeah i don't think Niki is possessed. That's not much of a power!
Prof.Ikamono good point
by rhaps0dy
Dec 5th, 2006
03:14:25 PM
I think you make a great point regarding the fact that peter isn't exactly able to see the future but more peoples dreams! Has anyone ever watched the anime X or read the mangas x/1999! I personally consider one of the best super hero stories around. Anyways, in that there are dreamseers who can see what may of happened already, or what may happen, although, they frequently point out that what futures they do see is only one of many possible futures! So perhaps peter may blow up or perhaps someone else will or perhaps it'll be stopped somehow, either way all the heroes will dies bar claire if it is a literal dream!
Nikki's power
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
03:17:43 PM
I still think she can absorb personalities--that's her power. If the personality she absorbs has powers, she would have that power when that personality was dominant.

She's Man-E-Faces.

that was another geek reference from Hiro
by samsquanch
Dec 5th, 2006
03:31:24 PM
referring to an old Ray Bradbury story, I forget what it's called.
ahh ok
by rhaps0dy
Dec 5th, 2006
03:40:58 PM
Ah ok i'm with ya, this is true!
Dream sequences
by jthere
Dec 5th, 2006
03:57:10 PM
The dreams Peter has seem about the same as the ones Mohinder experienced. I think Peter is mentally "visiting" the same kid in India and that he's sorting through the questions he may have. I think there may be some intentional misdirection here on the part of the writers, making us think the dreams are organic to Peter's condition and hoping we'll forget the Indian kid.
Hiro fighting the T-Rex...
by superhero
Dec 5th, 2006
04:47:49 PM
Hiro's at the Museum of Natural History in NYC...that is all...
Screencap of Hiro and the Dinosaur
by zillabeast
Dec 5th, 2006
05:11:38 PM
http://www.heroes-pictures.com /albums/captures/1x11/554.jpg Dig it.
Didn't like that they erased Zach's memory there
by Drath
Dec 5th, 2006
05:47:57 PM
because I was convinced Zach has another super power he's been hiding for some reason, but even if he didn't I felt like that character was going someplace. Such a huge mind whipe kinda felt like they were putting the character on the shelf for a while. He's Claire's Ando, so that sucked shit. As complaints go it's a minor one. I didn't like that Eden is dead already though. Shit, Eden and Google girl die but boring characters like Isaac, Mohinder, and Nikki (yes she bores me to death, she has a mental disorder not a super power!), live on? I read there was a contract problem resulting in Eden's early death, but still, that really SUCKS! I love the TRex painting, but dare I hope that we'll see much of that fight? I mean the producers said there won't be big big FX episodes, and this show is begging for an Incredibles vs Omnidroid style climax to the season. A dinosaur fight seems too big to hope for. As for Peter, I'm convinced he keeps all the powers he copies, and that he's going to awaken to all of them at once--his exposure to Sylar who also has many abilities has jump started his latest spat of visions and whatnot, and I would not be surprised if he does in fact blow up after meeting that Atomic Boy or whatever we're calling the bomb guy. However, I think he'll fly away from NY and will blow up in the sky, causing everyone to think he's dead in the season finale but ultimately he'll turn up again in season 2 somewhere in latin America or Africa or something with amnesia after he fell back to earth. I also dub him Rocky Rogue, because Re-Peter is a lame handle.
Erased Zach's memory so they could...
by Russman
Dec 5th, 2006
06:08:37 PM
fire the actor. Keep that budget down! just kidding. Good show last night although still mostly a bridge. I can't wait to find out what Peter's dream represents... i'm thinking he's part empathic and going through what Radiation Man will be going through. But how bad ass would that have been if they showed him turn into the fireball that Issac painted.
Hiro's Sword
by Alientoast
Dec 5th, 2006
06:30:23 PM
Hiro is a geek, so he will probably go back in time and "borrow" Miyamoto Musashi's favorite sword ;p That or he will get the legendary Masamune sword which is displayed in New York of all places ;) Given the fact he is a RPG fan, that could be a likely choice as well.
Prior Walter - Eden killed herself
by Russman
Dec 5th, 2006
06:33:04 PM
Watch it again, you see Syler's face change to "oh no!!" as she moves the barrel to her head. Also on NBC.com the latest comic has Mr. Bennet telling her dad that she's dead and when the father insults her, Bennet slams him against the wall and tells him that she scraficed herself to save a lot of people. Also Syler was recaptured.
Speaking of Jessica
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
06:59:59 PM
The hottest chick in Christmas Special history is on ABC soon!
And speaking of Nikki
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
07:01:39 PM
(is it two Ks or one?)

I now think Nikki needs to learn to use her l33t fighting sk1llz without reverting to the Jessica personality in order to do so. That's HER hero's quest.

Although I do think she'd be cooler as Man-E-Faces.

"You are obviously a Nonconformist and a Rebel!"
by chrth
Dec 5th, 2006
07:15:45 PM
This is a good one. And Jessica is SO HAWT
Nikki/Jess power important as
by flanaganagain
Dec 5th, 2006
07:34:45 PM
Nikki/Jess power has to be crucial for the story plot so I agree as mentioned above. Peter enters into the body of Skylar, who has taken on Nuclear Mans power, to slow the explosion down. I "think" Peter can only do one power at a time so he may die. I doubt it. His brother will fly him up in the air. He will let go of what is in reality Skylar and Peter will go back into his body on the ground. All live to fight a new bad guy another day. Or until their contracts are up, they ask for too much money or Hollywood come calling.
By the way.... LOST is moving
by flanaganagain
Dec 5th, 2006
07:36:36 PM
Lost is moving to 10pm Weds to avoid American Idol. I also think they want to avoid that sneaky move NBC made with Medium comming to Weds. at 9pm.
One last thing....
by flanaganagain
Dec 5th, 2006
07:48:55 PM
The ads said one will be lost forver and another would die. Right? We know "voice" killed her self. Who was lost? Nikki? Could have sworn said "lost forever."
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
by ikkyu
Dec 5th, 2006
08:06:14 PM
WAY too soon to whack Pixie Chick! she was a hottie. :-(
It wasnt Linderman calling HRG
by funnyhat
Dec 5th, 2006
08:31:25 PM
It was Chandra Suresh. Who else would want to inspect the pinacle of herolution, especially since his rejection of Gabrial(Sylar) is what prompted his behavior, rather thank just kill him and finish it.
room blocking capabilities
by dr_pepper
Dec 5th, 2006
09:52:47 PM
Ok - here's what happened. Sylars powers were blocked by the room - he couldn't see why. As SOON as Eden used her powers he could "see" (just as he can see a broken watch or see how things work) how the room was blocking powers and was able to ascertain how to nullify said block. Eden definitely killed herself. My biggest hope for this show is that they wrap up the Sylar story arc this year and start with a new baddy next year. I don't want a Sylar series drawn out over 7 years. Each season would be one big comic episode where the baddy is wrapped up one way or the other at the end of the season. This would keep the story moving along and keep in interesting. Keep some core heroes, kill some off, have some leave etc, but keep it moving. Oh and the family has got to get back involved with the rest of the story line. Right now it's just damn boring.
"why is Isaac drawing the past anyway?"
by smackfu
Dec 5th, 2006
09:54:09 PM
Because it's Hiro's future? I doubt he'd be having a premonition about the dinosaur's fate of getting pwned by a small japanese man. "SHO-ryu-ken!!!!".
dinosaur scene is probably going to be...
by torpor_haze
Dec 5th, 2006
10:52:54 PM
the last scene of the season. we see the frame Isaac painted, fade to black..
also
by BadMrWonka
Dec 5th, 2006
11:04:37 PM
nikki's husband's power is weird. he can let things go through him (bullets, etc.) but he can also go through things (doors, people). aren't those different things, in a way? and why not just make himself maleable or whatever, enough to let the bullet just sort of glide out of him? and why was the door sort of shimmering and moving as he went through it. that implies it's not jsut him that's changing, but that he can manipulate other objects. isn't that a slipperly slope, logically speaking? forgive me, never read a comic book in my life. please to explain?
oh and
by BadMrWonka
Dec 5th, 2006
11:06:34 PM
when he put his hand into Nikki (insert joke here), why didn't it hurt her more than it did? isnt' his hand inside her? and if it's not, where is it? could he walk through a wall that was thicker than he is? if so, during the time he's actually IN the wall, where is he? does he exist? the door he reached through, not to mention Nikki, were both fine and unaltered after he took his hand back. oh moly my head hurts.
Of course Eden killed herself
by mraig
Dec 6th, 2006
01:02:16 AM
Otherwise Sylar would have taken her powers. Wow, this is the first episode that I will say is unqualifiedly Good. It seems like they have finally figured out how to do comic book cool without being too painfully cheesy - we'll see how long they can keep it up (compare Smallville Seasons 2-3 to all the rest). I do continue to love the fact that Heroes considers Multiple Personality Disorder a "power".
About Niki, Micah, and DL...
by JunoFallon
Dec 6th, 2006
01:15:52 AM
I don't dislike the characters, but I do agree that they really don't seem to have a connection to anyone else. I can only assume that they have plans for use later in the series, but unless they play a major part in some way later I don't really see the point of keeping them around. I'd rather see more of Matt Parkman. He kind of gets shafted on screen time. Besides, I'm having a hard time figuring out just what exactly Niki's "power" is supposed to be. Just seems like a schitzo to me! That's not super, just crazy. hahah
Like, if Sylar took Niki's power...
by mraig
Dec 6th, 2006
01:41:47 AM
...what would happen? Would there be a less inhibited, more badass Sylar inside him itching to get out? Or would it create a nice, quiet, reserved Sylar struggling for control. Shit, now that's going to be the season finale. I TOTALLY COPYRIGHT THAT. Also what if Peter absorbed her power.
Niki's power is strength
by funnyhat
Dec 6th, 2006
01:47:00 AM
her alter-ego, jessica, has hulk-like strength. she can rip men into pieces with her bare hands and throw heavy objects long distances. do you people even WATCH the show?
A distant sound of thunder...
by Zardoz
Dec 6th, 2006
04:53:16 AM
Great episode! So many geek-tastic moments, I lost count! This is, quite simply, the best comic-book format TV show ever made. (so far) That sounds like a qualifier statement, but only because there hasn't really been a show like this before now. And whatever else it is, sci-fi, drama, it is definitely a show based on comic books, from the graphics to the style, material, mise-en-scene, what have you. Great cliffhanger and I can't wait until next year for more...(unless of course Heroes is going up against 24, in which case...) Oh, and Studio 60 was fantastic, too! (but maybe I'm biased because I'm from NOLA)
How many times do you think
by roccotheripper
Dec 6th, 2006
08:07:05 AM
the cheerleader had her memory erased?
Bad judgement on the memory wipes..
by mbeemer
Dec 6th, 2006
08:33:12 AM
Maybe you can get away with it within the family, but wiping Zach was stupid - it introduces too many discrepancies that raise questions, like when all his outcast friends wonder why he suddenly acts like he doesn't know Claire when he was heavily campaigning for her for weeks before. If you're going to be that ruthless, it would be 'cleaner' to arrange an 'accident' for him.
Mindwipe
by Abin Sur
Dec 6th, 2006
08:43:02 AM
I could use one for the two hours I spent watching "A Sound of Thunder" on HBO last week.
T-Rex
by kuryakin
Dec 6th, 2006
08:52:11 AM
It's pretty obvious we won't see Hiro fighting a dinosaur in the show. I reckon some shit will go down at the museum and Hiro picks up a sword from the ancient history section. Also from a second watching it seemed like Peter's eyes went all red like Gambit's just before he collapsed and also when he first woke up in his vision. Incidentally, I liked the way Mohinder got out the taxi with a smile on his face, then looked down at the radiation hands and bolted - I don't think you're outrunning that shit my friend
Hiro's Sword and the T-Rex
by Lang The Cat
Dec 6th, 2006
09:18:17 AM
It seems to me that it is very unlikely Hiro will face a live Dino with a sword. It is much more likely he will get his sword in a very reasonable place that has a T-Rex, i.e., a museum or the California desert.
Niki/Jessica
by porterdsgn
Dec 6th, 2006
11:00:00 AM
Since when is being a schizophrenic bitch a superpower? If that's the case there are plenty of women at my work that qualify for superhero status!
Yack!
by Ricky Henderson
Dec 6th, 2006
11:09:52 AM
Did ya hear who the Mets are considering for 1st base coach in 2007? (Minor hint, he shares my AICN handle and likes to talk about himself in the 3rd person.)
I agree about Zach
by CrichtonAstronut
Dec 6th, 2006
11:28:48 AM
That was the one sour note in this episode, well that and Eden dying. But at least Eden got a hero's death. The whole Zach/Claire friendship just got erased. And he was so Wallace to her Veronica. He deserved to be a bigger part of the story for longer. And I thought his character was going somewhere too. That said. I can't wait to see what kind of deal the Hatian's gonna make with Claire. And I love Peter's Vision where they all gather together. That image where they're all backing away would make a great Comic book cover. Was he wearing Sylar's jacket in that scene. 'Cause that may mean Sylar is going to bow up and Peter is experiencing Sylar's future through Sylar's eyes.
Also most Multiple-personalities don't have
by CrichtonAstronut
Dec 6th, 2006
11:37:14 AM
disappearing/reappearing tatoos. Except that one chick... No I think that was just blurry 'cause I drunk...well... Anyway, I think the Nikki/Jessica thing may be more complicated than a mental disorder. But they do need to bring that story in line with the other stories. And definitely more Matt Parkman, he's cool and I've missed Clea Duvall from Carnivale.
if the radiation guy actually blew up ...
by roccotheripper
Dec 6th, 2006
01:28:18 PM
would his body actually explode or would he just emit an explosion. i think if he could survive an explosion then he must have some powers like johnny storm
Ricky Henderson coaching 1st
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2006
01:40:24 PM
They just better make sure Ricky is on the active roster as well so that Ricky can put Ricky in the game when Ricky needs to.
dammit chrth
by BadMrWonka
Dec 6th, 2006
02:31:10 PM
answer my questions about Nikki's husbands powers above. I'm going nuts.
DL's power (just for BadMrWonka)
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2006
03:32:30 PM
DL can make parts of his body "ghostlike". He can do it partially--so obviously he always keeps the soles of his feet "solid" so he doesn't fall through the ground.

Specific aspects of this:

Walking through walls: In theory, can't be done, because to do so would require him making himself fully ghost, and then he'd plummet through the Earth. However, this fact is often ignored in fiction.

Choking Jessica: Apparently, the ghosting still allows him to keep his body connected even if ghosting intervenes--so when he reaches into a door to unlock it, the wrist is ghost but the hand is physical after passing through. When he choked her, the part inside of her was kept ghosted.

Shimmering windows, door: No idea. Probably done for effect.

Removing the bullet: I wondered about this myself, but my guess would be as follows: he'd have to make sure that he didn't accidentally let anything else fall out (surrounding muscle tissue, for example). He may not have enough control for that. (Or he let the bullet out and we didn't see it).

How's that?

Addendum--going through walls
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2006
03:34:56 PM
DL may be able to leap through a wall if he jumps high enough. He'd have to time it to make sure he re-solidified his feet before he landed but after they've gone through the wall.

Conversly, he could flip through a wall by handstanding first (keep his palms solid) and then falling through the wall (making his feet solid before they land).

The cheerleader's ##
by Kampy0jay
Dec 6th, 2006
03:37:46 PM
Do you think people would pay me if i had Hayden's phone # .....like on ebay, is that legal? becasue i do ;-P
Mr. Bennet's Powers And Other Subjects
by Barron34
Dec 6th, 2006
04:19:20 PM
It seems to me that Claire's father DOES have a power: he neutralizes the powers of other superpowered people around him. This is why Eden and Sylar can't affect him, and why guys like the Haitian follow his orders.*****Sad to see Eden go. The showrunners seem to like killing off cute young women: first Charlie the waitress, now Eden. Oh, well. At least it shows that the writers have no fear when it comes to killing characters. I found the Eden character to be interesting, powers and all, and was sad to see her go. She went out tough, though, shooting herself before Sylar could brain-suck her.*****Here is another point: maybe old man Chandra DID have a super-power himself: the power to track down others with powers. This would explain how Sylar knows where to find other superpowered folks: after killing Chandra, he took his innate power of locating others with superpowers. Just a thought.******As far as those who are getting tired of the Jessica/Niki storyline: I think it is about to heat up. Since Nikki has confessed to murder, I think that she will finally be connected to the main storyline when Parkman?Telecop and Clea Duvall/FBI chick come to interrogate her. The writers really do need to figure out a way to bring her character more into the main storyline.*****Anyway, I love this show. Kring and Jeph Loeb do a great job, as well as the rest of the cast and crew. More power to them.
beacuse I'm a HUGE dork- Dl's powers-
by samsquanch
Dec 6th, 2006
04:27:55 PM
They explained in the X-Men that when Kitty Pryde phases, gravity's hold on her becomes a little different. she's not weightless, but she can "walk" on air, hover, etc. It seems like when DL phased through the bullet intended for his head he should have fallen into the ground, but to "fall" implies that when he's phased he still weighs something. Maybe when he phases his body just remains in whatever position it was in before, neither floating nor falling, but just kind of stuck there until he decided to move.
I thought it was the Haitian who neutralized
by CrichtonAstronut
Dec 6th, 2006
04:42:39 PM
other's powers. Not Mr. Bennet. Didn't Bennet even say something like that to Matt Parkman when they had him captured. And wasn't that why the Haitian was standing outside the interrogation room when Duvall's character was talking to Mr. Bennet and Claire and Matt was trying to read their minds. I think maybe its an extension of his power to erase memeories, he can keep supers minds from accessing their powers.
Haitian Guy And Other Stuff
by Barron34
Dec 6th, 2006
04:48:41 PM
I don't know; maybe Haitian Guy does have the power to neutralize other people's powers, but that would seem to be a seperate power from erasing people's memories. I think Mr. Bennet can neutralize other people's powers. This is why Sylar could not telekinetically rip Bennet through the glass window of his prison cell like he did with Eden. It also explains how Bennet is able to boss around people with powers like Eden and Haitian guy: they can't effect them with their powers. Anyway, it seems to make sense to me. This would be a cool and subtle power, almost a "non-power". Likewise, old Professor Chandra may have had a subtle power to track others who themselves had powers, which would help explain how Sylar can find other powered-types so as to kill them and steal their powers via the old "brain-suck".
Nikki/Jesica
by flanaganagain
Dec 6th, 2006
04:59:22 PM
I tell ya, sure she has super strength but how will that play into the end? She can possess people! She's possesing her sister right now! Peter absorbs that power and takes over Nuclear Mans body. His brother flys him up and Peter takes over that power and the both fly away! If you consider that the show basically rips off other super heroes what is her power? The Hulk? Puh leeze! More like Deadman or The Spirit. That last dream sequence is a clue. Even though I like the cheerleaders "costume" I find it silly that she wears it to New York so that may be a dream not reality.
Who was lost forever? I know who died!
by flanaganagain
Dec 6th, 2006
05:02:34 PM
The teaser for last show said "one would be lost forever" and "one would die". Right? Anyone know what I'm talking about here? Please don't make me go back and rewind my sad collection of video tape cause I don't have TIVO! :(
No no no no! HRG and Mindsquisher/Haitian Zero
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2006
05:03:23 PM
HRG has no powers, I just rewatched the last segment when Sylar talks to him, and Sylar says "kidnapping men and women who are different". Sylar knows HRG has no powers. Besides, if HRG was leech, Nathan could not fly away.

Mindsquisher is able to manipulate the brain--removing memories, for example. What he can also do is erect shields around the brain(s) so that other powers -- such as Psycop's -- that involve the brain are stopped. He doesn't make the person powerless, otherwise they'd keep him around Sylar constantly.

Oh, btw.... Skyar almost escaped because Mindsquisher
by flanaganagain
Dec 6th, 2006
05:04:33 PM
Skylar almost escaped because Mindsquisher was talking with Claire at her house and not doing his job squishing Skylar at the paper company!
Masi Oka on Reno!!
by torpor_haze
Dec 6th, 2006
05:12:06 PM
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v= je7eboTHmNo Funny shit.
Flanaganagain
by kuryakin
Dec 6th, 2006
06:10:03 PM
But he was doing his job. He and Claire's father left together to mindwipe a bunch of people. He was sent by Claire's father to mindwipe Claire but took the opportunity to flex the old vocal chords and tell her that daddy was evil. That's why it doesn't make sense that either he or Mt Bennet were the ones suppressing Sylar's power - they both chose to leave. I think it's more likely there was some technology that they were relying on to suppress Sylar that turned out not to work.
Evil? Maybe
by Alientoast
Dec 6th, 2006
06:28:49 PM
I dont think he's evil, I just think he's trying to protect Claire. He has gone to great lengths to keep Claire more or less "secret". I personally think he just wanted to wipe all the recent Sylar stuff so Claire could go back to her secret life again.
HRG's purpose is not limited to Claire
by chrth
Dec 6th, 2006
08:55:39 PM
Remember what he tells Isaac: Claire's parent(s) resisted the Pulp Faction/Legion of Neutral and perished, and he took her in. Granted, he could've been lying, but I don't think so. HRG has been in this business for a lonnnng time.
chrth and biggles both share the award...
by chromedome
Dec 7th, 2006
12:47:00 AM
... for funniest entries in this TB, IMHO:

chrth, for the "... so it must be something that suppresses brain functions. Maybe they have all the TVs set to Studio 60?" Beautiful!!

biggles for: "In the "Millenium" theory, while a host of physical beings, including Cheryl Ladd, Susannah Hoffman, and Kris Kristofferson, enter a wormhole (or interdimensional portal), only Kris Kristofferson will emerge on the other side, with career intact." (sort of a wormhole conservation of talent principle)

My gratitude to both of you for the laugh out loud moments.

Nikki, SplodoPeter, and Nathan...
by chromedome
Dec 7th, 2006
12:59:48 AM
Nikki: while I appreciate the detailed description of a known psychological disorder to explain Nikki/Jessica (kudos to Psynapse for the info), I suspect that there has to be more to it in this show. The theme of the show is genetic mutations, after all, and Jessica (or PMSsica--cred to Shepherd Bauer for that handle) sports a tattoo. So Psynapse accurately describes a Real World condition and scenario, but in this Heroes 'verse, something else also has to be involved.

Peter's cough was puzzling, and suggests that either it was not due to a simple ailment that Claire Proximity would have cured, or if it was, then his ability to mimic is waning. Much comment about the later stage "dream" sequence has occurred already, so I will just add that when he had his train vision, it was Hiro from the future with a message--not an unalterable vision of the future. And, if he mimics the powers of others, maybe he was mimicing the SplodoPower of someone else--the team realized he was spontaneously mimicing before they could get him away from whoever the real Splodo was, and so had to turn and run away from him.

Finally, no one seems to have mentioned his early dream sequence, in which Nathan became Sylar. This combined with the 'tude Nathan always has, and the sinister look Nathan was sporting in the final dream sequence suggests to me that Nathan is EVIL INCARNATE, or at least a sneaky villain. He is a politician for god's sake, that was our FIRST clue right there! They spoon-fed us that one!

cheers

Peter's Splodo moment...
by chromedome
Dec 7th, 2006
01:09:29 AM
...might not be literal at all. It could simply be a symbolic message: If he is mimicing others, and the only one who is moving toward him is Nathan, and Peter gets all Splodofied, then maybe it is just a symbolic message that Nathan is behind the coming Blast.

Maybe there is not a literal Splodo--but could he not be mimicing the Radioactive Dude, if a-mimicing he must be?

Pixies demise...
by chromedome
Dec 7th, 2006
01:16:56 AM
...confuses and frightens me (I am a simple caveman talkbacker!--okay, most of you probably don't get that reference--more's the pity)

First, she has Voice, so she can command Sylar to do ANYTHING. Seems like she could have protected herself a little better. And seems like she need not have planned on giving him a gun. She could have given him poison, or sleeping pills to OD on , or a whole variety of things. So it seems a little sloppy to me--more like a We Need To Kill Somebody for DRAMA, SHOCK and AWE, and a way to let Sylar escape. Speaking of which...

...why could Sylar suddenly use his powers on Pixie, but not before or on others? Was he holding back--seems unlikely from the earlier scenes, where he would have ripped Claire's dad a host of new orifices if he could have. So why? Sloppy writing, or deliberate and careful stuff that will be revealed in due time? I hope it is the latter, but I am worried it is the former.

I like that the Haitian Suppressor may...
by chromedome
Dec 7th, 2006
01:21:01 AM
...be a good guy after all. He may know that Claire is crucial to saving the world, and knows that she needs to know who and what she really is. That would be cool! ProtectoDad may be risking the destruction of the world by trying to mind-wipe-protect his daughter. He doesn't, as it turns out, seem to be a bigger picture kind of guy, but a guy who is focused on protecting his daughter's life, and not concerned about leveraging her skills. So he is not a bad guy, but maybe misguided or narrow minded.
Chrome, HRG might have a power...
by Lenny Nero
Dec 7th, 2006
01:38:52 AM
...to block powers. As far as I know, Claire has never done her healing around her dad. As has been pointed out, HRG says to Sylar that he is the only person he knows who has more than one power; if that's true, then the Haitian's ability to erase memories is his one true power, he does not, in fact, have the power to also block powers. Then again, he does block Parkman's power at the bar, and HRG was nowhere to be found, so now my head will explode. That is all. (I know when HRG was in the room with Sylar, Sylar visibly could not use his powers. Why he could when Eden was there I do not know. Maybe they'll explain that her power of persuation may have "unlocked" some kind of block on his mind or whatever. Another head explodee, ugh...)
Masi Oka- the total breakout star of the 2006 TV season
by Ben Addiction
Dec 7th, 2006
02:53:07 AM
A geeky Japanese nerd type? Who coulda fucking predicted THAT one? Everyone loves this guy - me included. Still, how random...
The reason why Zach is off the show...
by roccotheripper
Dec 7th, 2006
02:53:21 AM
Thomas Dekker is set to play John Connor in Fox's drama pilot "The Sarah Connor Chronicles," from WBTV and C2, the company of Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines producers Mario Kassar and Andrew Vajna. Written by Josh Friedman, the project takes place after the events depicted in Terminator 2: Judgment Day and follows Sarah Connor (Lena Headey), a modern warrior and loving single mom to 15-year-old son John (Dekker). Dekker recurs on NBC's hit new drama "Heroes" as Zach, Claire's (Hayden Panettiere) friend and confidant.
chromedome: why Sylar's powers suddenly worked
by chrth
Dec 7th, 2006
05:59:20 AM
R.I.PixieChick was trying to use her own power. If the room was a power suppressor, she would've needed to turn off the suppression.
Mindsquisher/Haitian Zero's "one" power
by chrth
Dec 7th, 2006
07:00:41 AM
Mindsquisher can erect mental barriers. Thus he can protect both HRG and himself from mind-reading. In terms of memory-erasure, he's able to raise permanent(?) barriers that isolate the specific memories.

Now, the question is, why can he raise permanent memory barriers but mind-protection barriers require his presence for HRG? My guess is that memory barriers are passive while mind-protection barriers are active, and if Haitian Zero wasn't around, HRG wouldn't be able to withstand mental assaults.

Another reason why Zach is off the show
by chrth
Dec 7th, 2006
07:02:29 AM
From all appearances, Claire is going to be on a roadtrip sometime in the near future. It would be a loose end dramatically to have a friend of hers not start asking questions/looking for her after she 'disappears'.
Was Claire scooped or just partial?
by leesheri
Dec 7th, 2006
10:38:30 AM
I thought the Haitian guy said that he wasn't going to do it and he asked her if she could keep a secret. I watched it again and am still confused. Did he leave some thing in particular or did he not do it and expects her to keep her mouth shut and pretend that she was. Why did he speak to Claire and pretends not to speak at all. This character, Haitian seems really cool. Can't wait to see more of him. He nodded when Pixie Chick said that they should kill Sylar. So, he has to be a good guy. BTW I apologize if this was already discussed, didn't notice it in the hundreds of posts up there.
"Another reason why Zach is off the show"...
by mbeemer
Dec 7th, 2006
10:39:16 AM
I thought you were going to say the actor asked for more money! :-)
ABOUT ZACH..
by JBouganim
Dec 7th, 2006
01:04:37 PM
HES PRETTY GAY...WHEN I FIRST STARTED WATCHING THIS SHOW IM LIKE WHERE DO I KNOW THIS KID. THEN I REMEMBERED..HONEY I SHRUNK THE KIDS TV SHOW. http://youtube.com/watch?v=81x NnavRbgk Thats a video of him rejecting a girl because of his gayness. I want him to stop bothering my Claire. We know he like men. Hook him up with Niki's son
FOR THE LINK..
by JBouganim
Dec 7th, 2006
01:06:07 PM
you have to close up the url... http://youtube.com/watch?v=81x NnavRbgk the other post has the x and N spaced
Guys, don't forget about the Indian kid who can enter.
by Lost Skeleton
Dec 7th, 2006
04:01:19 PM
dreams. He uses dreams to tell you what you need to know and he may have been helping Peter understand what he has to do and who he needs to do it with to stop the bomb in NYC. That is why he saw all those "Heroes". The Indian kid may be telling him that he needs to find these Heroes and bring them to NYC to help him save NYC. Just a thought
cookylamoo, are you mad?
by chrth
Dec 7th, 2006
05:12:50 PM
We still haven't met Magneto, Morph or Magik.

Speaking of Morph, I'm wondering if the dinosaur Hiro fights is actually a Morph-style villain that we meet much later this season or next.

I do like the fact that people keep asking Isaac to paint stuff that they hope will help them with what's next, but it doesn't.

chrth...
by torpor_haze
Dec 7th, 2006
09:25:38 PM
you're right. Isaac is just a plot device, he's just trailer within a show.
They need a tracker...
by SooperHearO
Dec 7th, 2006
10:57:27 PM
I hope they come up with a hero that can track other heroes. Kind of like a super-bloodhound -- like Caliban of X-Men lore. Wouldn't be surprised to see him employed by Linderman.
Mr Bennet's power
by warland
Dec 8th, 2006
12:59:27 PM
I think it's obvious that cheerleader-dad has a power and what that power is: he has the power to suppress others' powers. That would explain 1.) why Eden couldn't use her voice power on him, 2.) why Claire didn't heal immediately after sticking her hand through the plate glass, 3.) why the Haitian (who appears to have a different agenda than his boss) doesn't just wipe cheerleader-dad's memories, 4.) why psi-cop couldn't read anyone's mind when cheerleader dad was in the next room... and most importantly why Sylar couldn't escape his cell while cheerleader-dad was present, but COULD when Eden came in. In between Sylar may have been biding his time becaue he covets obtaining cheerleader-dad's power.
LAST!!!
by Shermdawg
Dec 9th, 2006
05:05:28 AM
...
Saving Peter
by double click
Dec 9th, 2006
11:38:09 AM
Wasn't the explosion that was seen at ground level. It makes sense if you wanted to save Peter from exploding to move him far enough from the person he was drawing the power from. So flying him away might stop him from exploding if it is really him. Still freezing time or teleporting him away would make even more sense.
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