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Peter Jackson Officially Off THE HOBBIT?!

FUCK. by jimmy_009	Nov 19th, 2006 10:41:15 PM
and in sumation, FUCK.
Fuck by CarbonGhost	Nov 19th, 2006 10:44:44 PM
oh no!
sigh... by jeleyan	Nov 19th, 2006 10:44:51 PM
Talk about stupid decisions...
I'm boycotting New Line, those assholes. by jimmy_009	Nov 19th, 2006 10:45:09 PM
Fucking pricks steal money from PJ, refuse to have their records audited, then try to blackmail him. I hope the Hobbit sucks balls and tanks.
Aye caramba... by Ribbons	Nov 19th, 2006 10:45:40 PM
I don't know how much the money involved with this audit amounts to, but I can't imagine it's worth all this.
Haha... by El Scorcho	Nov 19th, 2006 10:50:09 PM
The LOTR movies weren't that good. Up yours Hobbit fans.
I have a briliant idea! Let's fail! by DoodlyDingDongTickTock	Nov 19th, 2006 10:50:48 PM
Simmons, stunning. Absolutely brilliant. You mean to say we go ahead with something we know will suck? Astonishing. You're promoted.
Unfortunate by Valebant	Nov 19th, 2006 10:53:00 PM
Though I'd rather see a film about the children of Hurin than a live action Hobbit.
I just read by redshirt	Nov 19th, 2006 10:54:48 PM
That Uwe Boll has been brought in to make the movie.
As a future filmmaker, it is my responsibility... by zacdilone	Nov 19th, 2006 10:55:22 PM
...to declare the end of Middle Earth as we know it.
New Line is retarded... by Rindain	Nov 19th, 2006 10:56:22 PM
Just give PJ and Fran have their audit...even if you end up owing them some money it won't be nearly as much as a two-part HOBBIT film would make in worldwide boxoffice, DVD sales, merchandising, TV rights, etc. If you want to be rich and make your shareholdrs and bosses happy, make this movie with PJ at the helm. Any other HOBBIT movie would suck balls.
Although it's been said, FUCK!!! by filmicdrummer17	Nov 19th, 2006 10:58:56 PM
That's completely retarded...I really feel bad for whoever gets the job on the off chance that they'll actually do well, but will be hated anyway. I recently finished watching all the appendicies on the extended DVDs for the second time, and all that work that went into it...just won't be duplicated. Unbelievable.
Another reason to boycot New Line... by ErnieAnderson	Nov 19th, 2006 10:58:59 PM
New Line has been adding a $2 upcharge to every ticket sold for their movies. Theater owners can't charge more for this, so that means that they make no profit at all on the ticket prices. No other studio (including New Line's parent company) does this. Greedy bastards.
This is BULLSHIT by DrDestructo	Nov 19th, 2006 11:01:09 PM
Fuck New Line. They want to slaughter the golden goose, so be it - I'll glad oblige by staying home.
Link seems to be down at the moment. by Aragorn II	Nov 19th, 2006 11:01:46 PM
Shame that probably doesn't change anything about this monumentally stupid decision.
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Forestal	Nov 19th, 2006 11:01:49 PM
No. That's not true! THATS IMPOSSIBLE!!! NOOOOOOAHHOOOO!!!!NOOO!!!!!!!
AAAARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!! by Aragorn II	Nov 19th, 2006 11:08:28 PM
Goddamn bureaucratic fucking fuckers and their assfucking shitheaded idiotic numbnutted fucktarded egos. I mean... FUCK!
No fuccccckiiinnnnnnnngggg WAY! by 4815162342	Nov 19th, 2006 11:12:16 PM
Without Wingnut, PJ and crew I doubt I will be able to make my self get excited about this. I can imagine that any of the cast from PJ's LOTR will be excited about this either. I hope everyone tells New Line to take a piss. And even more, I hope they listen to the fans. So here is a fan saying FUCK YOU NEW LINE!
Um... by Lucasblows	Nov 19th, 2006 11:17:14 PM
...fuck the fucking fuckers.
what a waste by vaterite	Nov 19th, 2006 11:18:35 PM
these days, blockbuster films are such a crapshoot that essentially turning away someone who can pull off quality big budge films succesfully is sheer idiocy............New Line Seals their own fate, because peter has been "the greater part of the strength native to them at the beginning"
There never was much hope... by Forestal	Nov 19th, 2006 11:22:14 PM
Just a fool's hope.
Damn it by dundundles	Nov 19th, 2006 11:22:14 PM
First the Halo movie crumbles, now the Hobbit is being wrestled away by the Studios... goes to show, in this business you can't be too successful, and not still get fucked over by the studio system.
but on a lighter note by dundundles	Nov 19th, 2006 11:23:51 PM
Now Michael Bay can finally be brought on to "fix" this francise. MCMLXXVI rejoice!!
No HALO? No HOBBIT? by YackBacker	Nov 19th, 2006 11:24:53 PM
See, the guy drops 200 lbs and he changes the way he acts, he ignores his old friends... it's like he's a totally different dude. Hey, I got another idea for Jackson's next movie- how aboput he re-re-re-releases LOTR on DVD with ten extra seconds of new footage? Double-dip this, ya jerkwaad!
Scathing fucking pissed... by WhoDis	Nov 19th, 2006 11:28:15 PM
The fans aren't going to stand for this. I just got done watching the LOTR movies over this weekend, and started jonesing for a Hobbit movie again (my fave novel) and I come online to this nonsense. Giving PJ the reigns again is a done deal, license to print money. No giving it to him, some new guy's gotta start from scratch and it's going to be some spit out Hollywood bullshit that'll try to grab some cash using the name alone. FUCK YOU NEWLINE!!!!!!!! ALL YOU WERE WAS FUCKING FREDDY KREUGER SEQUELS BEFORE PJ AND LOTR!!!! YOU ARE STABBING YOURSELVES IN THE BACK AND FUCKING OVER THE FANS!! ASSHOLES!!!
There's still a very small chance New Line will relent. by Forestal	Nov 19th, 2006 11:30:02 PM
And let this fucking lawsuit be "resolved"...
Somewhere in the Hollywood Hills... by Lord Bullingdon	Nov 19th, 2006 11:33:52 PM
Brett Ratner just sat up, his Spidey Sense tingling like crazy.
This is all posturing... by exie	Nov 19th, 2006 11:35:31 PM
Believe me, New Line may say they are "out" to other directors, but it's all to make PJ buckle. The fact is, the star of The Hobbit is Bilbo znd Gollum -- there is no way in hell that Andy Serkis will play Gollum w/o PJ and w/o Serkis, this movie will be a surefire bomb. His Gollum is what we all are expecting and want to see in The Hobbit and trying another actor in a role that was created so specifically will not work. PJ was smart to come out with his "explanation" and I expect a resolution of their dispute quickly since New Line can't risk 100's of millions on The Hobbit (which is linked to LOTR) and have the fans rebel against it. It's such a bad move to try to make the movies w/o PJ that only a Hollwyood studio could be dumb enough to try it....still, I don't think they will risk a tentpole franchise over accounting differences. This isn't over.
You know, there are other filmmakers out there. Sheesh. by TallBoy66	Nov 19th, 2006 11:42:13 PM
Yes, his work on LOTR was good, but King Kong was not so much. Maybe its time for Jackson to step away from Middle Earth and let somebody else take a crack at it.
A message to New Line Cinema: by Forestal	Nov 19th, 2006 11:43:09 PM
Give Pete Jackson his fucking money!!!! Don't fuck this up for us. Do it for the children!!!!!
a shame by steele8280	Nov 19th, 2006 11:43:42 PM
that one of the best trilogies of our time looked like getting so close to becoming two of the best trilogies of our time... are we gonna have to go through the nervousness about the filmmakers pulling it off again? Why can't we just get to relax and look forward to a movie for once. Why new line why!? Between this and the son of the mask New Line has made two of the worst decisions this century. And they started out so wel.....
Wow by Darth Thoth	Nov 19th, 2006 11:50:30 PM
This is very depressing news. Very depressing but honestly, not surprising. Yet another example of capitalism and greed stifling creativity (and ultimately joy). Man this sucks. I'll tell you though... Jackson is the man. I just posted the other day on how much respect I have for him and his crew. Hey, Peter... if you're reading this- hold your head man. You'll always get mad love and props from real fans. Peace. Now, I just hope whoever gets to make these films will do a decent job. But honestly, I'm not optimistic. What Jackson and his team created with LOTR was special and timeless. I just don't see someone else coming in and duplicating the magic in that arena/ world that Jackson and Co did. Peace.
doesn't bode well for the hobbit movie, but... by waggy	Nov 19th, 2006 11:52:34 PM
i'd personally rather see jackson work on new projects anyway. with the LOTR trilogy and king kong already under his belt, he has the potential to be his generation's spielberg.
Uh...this is all just a cat fight by Dannychico	Nov 19th, 2006 11:58:08 PM
PJ will make the movie. He is just using his leverage. New Line tried to do the same, but PJ smacked them in the face and unleashed the fans.
Negotiation Technique? Good possibility... by Fatboy_Roberts	Nov 19th, 2006 11:58:17 PM
You really think anyone's gonna go see "The Hobbit" with a totally different director, different Gandalf, different Gollum and when they make the prequel part of the back-to-back (an idea that I still think sorta sucks ass, just make The Hobbit and be done with it) a different Aragorn, different Legolas, different Elrond, different Saruman? Right. Because I bet you anything NONE of the other actors will return without Peter at the helm. And I bet Peter KNOWS this. The public probably won't go for these flicks sans Jackson and crew, so he potentially has them pretty much over a barrel if they want decent product with which to make money. Especially if this letter creates as many ripples in the pond that it might once the entertainment sites, magazines, and news services pick this up. The negative publicity and genuine disappointment with the studio should be pretty large If it's negotiation, it's pretty shrewd negotiation. Whether it WORKS, who knows. It could be just baldfaced honesty and that's that What this really makes me wonder is just HOW MUCH MONEY New Line screwed Jackson over that they're willing to flush something as sure-fire as "The Hobbit" instead of just paying him what they're supposed to.
Just because it hasn't been said by the other dude yet. by iKon	Nov 19th, 2006 11:58:59 PM
Damn you michael bay. In all seriousness this is really monumentally unfortunate, not least of all because another director is going to be given a chance by fans of LOTR.
Can I just add ... FUCK! by Lamerz	Nov 20th, 2006 12:00:54 AM
Can I just say that the management of New Line are fucking inept? Stupid motherfuckers. Fucking cocksuckers and carpet munchers. Oh well, New Line will take it in the ass when Uwe Boll signs on and the movie makes about $50 in the theaters.
We're Better Off by Liberty Valance	Nov 20th, 2006 12:01:33 AM
Let's face it, the only way to faithfully adapt The Hobbit would be to make one film. Yes, just ONE film. But no, the whores at MGM and New Line want to milk it for two movies (which inevitably would have become a trilogy at some point). They'd scrimp unused shit from the LOTR appendices, Unfinished Tales, The Silmarillion, Tolkien's notes, etc, etc, load it up with filler and serve it to us as a prequel trilogy. Does anybody really want to see Tolkien's masterpiece bastardized like that? With the potential profits at stake, there's no way the studios would remain faithful to this short, simple novel with just one movie like they should. If you think Lucas sold out with the Star Wars prequels, just wait and see how LOTR is going to get raped.
Oh yeah ... FUCK New Line by Lamerz	Nov 20th, 2006 12:01:40 AM
Fucking fuckers.
Just when New Line become great by DrLektor	Nov 20th, 2006 12:04:01 AM
they go and pull this shit. If every fan who wants to see a PJ Hobbit wrote, not emailed, a letter asking them to settle things and wait for the man to do his thing someone might listen. There must be, what? Several million of us? You just have to pray that they haven't put the guy off. Come on New Line, you have the money to spare. I'd rather wait 10 years to see one 3 hour Hobbit movie By Peter Jackson, than have it done and released in 2008 by someone like Brett Ratner.
Darth thoth... by playahatersball	Nov 20th, 2006 12:04:58 AM
shut yer red pie-hole- if capitalism had anything to with New Line's decicion, they would have given Peter jackson what he wanted and allowed him & his crew to deliver a movie that would have easily made the studio a profit several times over. Give credit for shitty, stupid decisions where they are due- assholes with bad ideas. I can't imagine who else they could find to succesfully adapt the Hobbit- maybe Ralph Bashki?
Sucky by beelkay	Nov 20th, 2006 12:06:34 AM
I'd like to say that I'd definitely boycott both movies if New Line makes them without Jackson, but really it depends on how faithful they are to Jackson's vision of Middle Earth and if they use the same actors, etc. Still, I can't imagine that anyone else would be as succesful as Jackson and co.
Feel that sting? That's pride. by sevadro	Nov 20th, 2006 12:07:30 AM
FUCK PRIDE! New Line upper enchelon hoe heads are gonna roll on this one.
Why?? by DaleTremont	Nov 20th, 2006 12:07:37 AM
For the love of Middle Earth, don't let it be Brett Ratner! I will chain myself to New Line's gates if they try to pull an X3.
I'm joking about Bashki by playahatersball	Nov 20th, 2006 12:08:26 AM
I couldn't imagine anyone other than PJ doing the Hobbit, but can't help but agree with a couple above posters that it should be one movie. Trying to stretch it further would make it like the last two matrix movies. ewww.
New Line Suck Ass by tweakster	Nov 20th, 2006 12:10:26 AM
Peter Jackson MADE New Line. The house that Freddy Build was all but dead before this. Figures. The last time New Line fucked us this hrd was when they pulled out of the Twin Peaks DVD with David Lynch's Deleted Scenes in 2001. Eat Shit New Line. I'm done with your crap.
Address? by beelkay	Nov 20th, 2006 12:16:26 AM
Anybody have an address for New Line so we can write and complain?
To playahatersball by Darth Thoth	Nov 20th, 2006 12:17:21 AM
Obviously everyone wants to make money on this venture, from PJ to New Line. But my comment was only to show how greed (obviously at play if there is an irreconcilable dispute over money between PJ and New Line) will presumably get in the way of us (the fans) seeing a Jackson version of The Hobbit. You are right playahatersball for citing "stupid decisions" being made in this situation. I only ask what is the source of these stupid decisions? Obviously it's over money. It's greed. It's greed when despite all the money made (and to be made) fair settlements can't be arranged. So yeah capitalism- an accumulation policy that fights over wealth and subordinates everything else (in this case a Jackson version of The Hobbit) for the sake of profit motive. That's my point. Again, I (maybe ignorantly and prematurely) side with Jackson over New Line. PJ is my boy and shrewed business tactic or not (i.e.- he really is getting screwed), I hope he gets his fair share of whatever.
In the end... by Red Ned Lynch	Nov 20th, 2006 12:20:19 AM
...Jackson may or may not end up at the helm. But this announcement, and the phone call that New Line was going to seek other directors both represent negotiating tactics. Here are the three most likely eventual outcomes, in order: 1. A deal is struck and Jackson directs. 2. The film(s) are not made in the immediate future. 3. Someone else is brought on board to make them. Cause for concern here, but not panic. Mmmm...maybe somehwere in between those two.
I thought that headline said... by seppukudkurosawa	Nov 20th, 2006 12:20:33 AM
"Peter Jackson Officially Off the Habit" at first. Rampant heroin abuse would probably explain why he went from looking like Guillermo del Toro to Nick Cave (after not sleeping for a month) in about a week. But Mori's right, not just Jackson, but the whole of Weta breathed live into those Rings flicks, life that I don't think anyone, even IL&M, would be able to match.
Hmm by Deagle2	Nov 20th, 2006 12:22:11 AM
I'd like to see what PJ and co. can do with the Hobbit, but if they can't make it work I'd still like to see it done by someone else, even with a completely different cast. However, as much as I like all things LOTR, the Hobbit should only be made into ONE movie. Make The Silmarillion or some of the others after, but the Hobbit would be lame if they split it into two movies.
Call me optimistic, but don't get despondent JUST yet.. by GreatWhiteNoise	Nov 20th, 2006 12:22:58 AM
...this sounds like a bit of playing chicken to me. Each of these guys have leverage in this deal -- New Line has the rights to make the film, PJ has the creative team and the fanbase behind him. This looks to me like PJ mobilizing the fans behind him and creating pressure on New Line, knowing that any Hobbit without Wingnut involved will suffer from fatally evil buzz from Day 1. Good move by PJ; I'd do the same. And let's face it; there's too much in it for all of them (whether it's money, creative passion, seeing the full vision on screen, etc.) for them NOT to sort this out one way or another. It's a no-brainer. Look at Spider-Man -- took them ten years to get everything settled, but by God they got it done in the end. Granted, it cost them James Cameron's involvement in the meantime, but he didn't have the existing cred behind him on the project that PJ has here, which is exactly what PJ is banking on by unleashing fandom on New Line in this way. So before you drive Sting through your own hearts, let's wait and see what this move produces in the way of further dialogue among all concerned. It would amaze me in their collective idiocy if they didn't ultimately solve this. Stay tuned.
New Line link by Darth Thoth	Nov 20th, 2006 12:23:12 AM
http://www.newline.com/contact us.shtml The only link I could find to contact them.
Hobbit would be ONE movie by The Only Woj	Nov 20th, 2006 12:23:55 AM
if I read it correctly, they'd do a Hobbit and then a prequel on the events leading up to the Fellowship movie ... which is gay. if anything, do the creation of the rings and origin of Sauron or something remotely interesting.
Nobody cares about Peter Jackson outside of net geeks by INWOsuxRED	Nov 20th, 2006 12:25:54 AM
If they make a good Hobbit, people will go see it, reguardless of who directs it. Infact, even if it is horrible and Peter Jackson goes around bad mouthing it, it will probably still make all its money back opening weekend, and they'll make money selling it to cable before it even comes out and they'll package it in yet another Lord of the Rings fancy DVD set and make even more money. The story is all there, and the story is better than Lord of the Rings, so it would be hard to fuck up. Bilbo is better than Frodo. More trolls and less Orlando. A super cool dragon. Whats not to like? The idea that only Peter Jackson could handle this is insane. Why they'd have to do something ridiculous and split it into multiple movies to ruin something this easy.
New Line, you suck by Pallando	Nov 20th, 2006 12:28:26 AM
The studio cannnot possibly be this stupid. These execs need to be axed if they are going to let a billion dollar franchise get fucked like this. They owe it to thier fuckin shareholders (not to mention the fans) to get this Hobbit movie(s) made.
Why do people want The Lord of the Rings 4? by one9deuce	Nov 20th, 2006 12:29:46 AM
I would like The Hobbit to be its own film. Continuity is out anyway since Bilbo is the main character and he won't be played by Ian Holm. And Gollum should be absolutely terrifying in The Hobbit, not the goofy non-human sidekick he is in LOTR where he comes VERY close to being a Jar Jar Binks in too many scenes. And I hate to break it to all the people who think that The Hobbit is a license to print money, but it probably won't do really well no matter who makes it and how good it is. It will do decent box-office, but nothing spectacular. There is a reason that Peter Jackson and company bulked up the Aragorn and Arwen romance for the trilogy. That pulled in a lot of people who normally wouldn't have gone.
WOW. That email from Fran and PJ seems pretty final. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 20th, 2006 12:32:44 AM
And someone is definitely playing hardball. This Michael Lynne sounds like an absolute studio dickhead. Way to go genius! I guess you thought weaseling a shady deal on top of a lawsuit was somehow conducive to this franchise?! Brilliant!!! And I always had my little doubts about Mark Ordesky after watching the LOTR DVD commentaries. I'm sure he's just the messenger; a pawn for the studio in this silly fiasco. But come on. This reeks of studio muscle and a rush to create "product". You know, if they plow forward with this, I hope they at least hire a director & crew as passionate about the material as PJ, Wingnut, and WETA. Hell, maybe WETA would even let them use all the sets and props they've kept in storage. Hey New Line, you do know that right? I mean, there is a reason why they kept all that stuff in storage you studio fuckheads. Duh!!!
New Line's address? by dirtsandwich	Nov 20th, 2006 12:34:36 AM
That's a job for Ted Kaczynski. They are a bunch greedy fucks. No different then the leaders of the world who torture people and leave them to rot. You could swap the fucks at New Line with the worst DICtators of the world and there would be no difference. It's like that in most businesses world wide. That's how the system works. Are you surprised, really?
Damn you Bilbo Baggins! by Pipple	Nov 20th, 2006 12:40:21 AM
What a funny name, baggins. Sounds like a bagel shop.
The one and ONLY reason LOTR worked is cause of Jackson by IndustryKiller!	Nov 20th, 2006 12:43:04 AM
ANd Im not some "everything Jackson does is perfect!" fanboy. But adapting those films is a monulmental task and by the grace of God alone Jackson pulled it off. If anything is adapted well it's not usually because the original content was so good. You know whoever ends up directing it will either cheaply ape his style or come up with something entirely mediocre on their own but I will bet any amount of money that it isn't good. If they make it without him they can expect big returns opening weekend then a sharp dropoff thereafter. There simply isn't another non big name (Jackson, SPielberg, Zemeckis) director out there talented enough to do a big fantasy film justice. Just look at what an abortion Eragon looks like it'll be.
Peter Jackson, three words for ya..... by snakecharmer	Nov 20th, 2006 12:47:28 AM
....Star Wars prequels. Newline did you a favor. You've delivered one of the best trilogies ever. Walk away on top. Leave Middle Earth already. Besides, James Cameron is on your ass. If he delivers with Project 880(Avatar) and Battle Angel Alita, he'll make the battle in the LOTR trilogies look like lame. Lates.
The Only Woj... by Red Ned Lynch	Nov 20th, 2006 12:48:05 AM
...would you be thinking, perhaps, of Hayden Christensen as the callow young maia who becomes Sauron? I'm sorry. I'm very, very, very sorry. It just popped into my head. Again, sorry.
Let me get this straight... by PoweredUpPacman	Nov 20th, 2006 12:52:35 AM
...The Hobbit is NOT getting made because of some accounting dispute between some greedy motherfuckers? Looks to me New Line AND Jackson just flushed about 50 gallons of credibility down the drain. Not that I care. Just leave at the LOTR movies (wich fucking ruled!) and be done with that. You know what? Maybe someone should actually try to conceive an original idea for a new movie! Or is that just the booze talking?
Damn you Michael Bay by Ribbons	Nov 20th, 2006 01:12:39 AM
Damn you Michael Bay
Wow! by WONKABAR	Nov 20th, 2006 01:16:46 AM
Un-fucking-believable!
Damn you Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Nov 20th, 2006 01:16:46 AM
Damn you Michael Bay
The voice of reason by The Game Master	Nov 20th, 2006 01:19:15 AM
I loved Jackson's LOTR films, sure, so did eveyrone. But maybe this is a blessing in disguise. Bear with me: There are many very talented directors out there who might also be fans of PJ and continue the style he created. After all, when PJ was originally set as director, a lot of people doubted him. But we gave him a chance, and he pulled it off. Maybe we should give the next guy a chance. The work is half done anyway--the actor choices, the theme, pacing, style, etc. Take for example Jonathan Mostow. He followed James Cameron's style when making Terminator 3 pretty damn well, even seemlessly. Sure, T3's story was questionable, but in The Hobbit, the story is already there. So long as the new director is faithful to PJ as PJ was to Tolkien, what do we really have to worry about? And, seriously, I know this sounds blasphemous, but the writing in PJ's LOTR was actually rather weak, and often was just "best of Tolkien" rather than making for believable story flow that was based on and in turn directed the behavior of the characters. Also, key scenes of cinema were wasted (mostly in Return of the King, such as Gandalf and the Witch King standing off at the gates and Frodo and Sam disguised as Orcs--these scenes were far more dramatic in the books and even in the Ranklin/Bass cartoon). Maybe whoever takes over will do things better than they would be otherwise. As for the actors? Is there amongst them a loyalty to PJ stronger than their desire for their own careers? After all, when doing reshoots for ROTK, they all lobbied to be in Kong, but only one was given that ticket. Maybe business is business, and they'll return to Middle-earth with or without Jackson. Or, has anyone considered how blasphemous it would have been in 1998 to say George Lucas should NOT have been involved in the Star Wars prequels? Now, everyone wishes he was indeed not involved, and that someone else had indeed taken over. Again, is PJ not being involved a blessing in disguise? Or, maybe, this entire letter and PJ's being outcast is an elaborate ruse by New Line to weigh fan interest . . .
NewLine might be concerned about a larger precedent... by thethedew	Nov 20th, 2006 01:20:28 AM
...if they grant an audit to PJ and co. that might incite an accountant stampede to the doorstep of every filmmaker who might have an axe to grind. But then again, for all I know these sorts of audits might happen all the time in Hollywoodland, and its just the Box Office of this particular property that's causing the problem. Any accountants out there shed some light?
BOYCOTT HOBBIT by DOGSOUP	Nov 20th, 2006 01:22:10 AM
Peter Jackson now has my full respect. I'm sorry but this fucking sucks. "Deciding to make a movie should come from the heart". Respect. "Michael Lynne said we would stand to make much more money if we tied the lawsuit and the movie deal together and this may well be true, but it's still the worst reason in the world to agree to make a film." Respect 10 fold. "Given that New Line are committed to this course of action, we felt at the very least, we owed you, the fans, a straightforward account of events as they have unfolded for us." Respect 100 fold. Peter Jackson loves us all and wanted to make this movie for us. New Line hates Peter Jackson and wants our money and gives two shits and a fuck about us...just our money. So I propose we DON'T SEE THIS MOVIE. We can certainly teach them a lesson if they invest all this time and money in a non Peter Jackson Hobbit and IT FAILS UTTERLY. Fuck you New Line, fuck you up your stupid asses.
It's a black fucking era when... by Ravetin	Nov 20th, 2006 01:25:32 AM
...Uwe Boll gets more projects off the ground than Peter Jackson.
Which hack will take over Middle Earth? Place yer bets! by Kasch	Nov 20th, 2006 01:25:44 AM
Which soulless studio hack will shit all over PJ's legacy? 1) Brett Ratner 2) Rob Cohen 3) Paul Anderson 4) John Moore
Plus, The Hobbit could easily be 2 movies... by thethedew	Nov 20th, 2006 01:26:24 AM
Natural breaking point after the escape from the Misty Mountains via EagleAir, Gandalf leaves the Dwarves at the edge of Mirkwood. (They'd probably need to leave out the character of Beorn, kinda like Tom Bombadil) Mournful, forboding end to the first film as they look into the forest. Movie #2 starts with the party entering Mirkwood, Gandalf has his meeting with the White Council (Saruman, Galadriel, Radagast, and whoever else) Easy, especially if they amp up the escape from the goblins a bit.
GIVE IT TO PAUL WS ANDERSON by davidlyons	Nov 20th, 2006 01:28:58 AM
his films are gripping! gripping my shit!!!! he's the only man who can properly fuck this thing up and destroy any chance of making any more tolkien movies, his track record in this field is impeccable.
This Is Supposed to be Bad News? by ishair	Nov 20th, 2006 01:31:41 AM
So The Hobbit won't contain Jackson's trademark stilted dialog, dull Shakespearean acting and never-ending endings? What a blow!
Honestly you people....do we really need more, anyway? by Riley Martin	Nov 20th, 2006 01:32:34 AM
With the extended editions, you've got over 10 hours of dungeons & dragons-type jibber-jabber as it is. Isn't that enough for you people?
If you ask me Petey Jax never wanted to make it- by seppukudkurosawa	Nov 20th, 2006 01:32:54 AM
-in the first place. From his interviews with Quint and a few others I've read, he kinda skipped around the "Hobbit" question a bit. I know he says in that email "I was up for it but I ain't gonna be no fink for the man daddi-o!" (that might be paraphrasing), but it sounds pretty bogus to me. That WAS an e-mail sent to OneRing.net after all; so him saying "I don't wanna make yo' damn movie", would be like a clown saying, "Bug off kid, I don't feel like blowing ANOTHER fucking doggie balloon today". His decision to cut-off ties with the studio seemed less like one of those fits of righteous indignation things, and more like him getting rid of the Lord of the Rings albatross.
let jackson remake KING KONG LIVES by davidlyons	Nov 20th, 2006 01:35:08 AM
you know you wanna see it!
LOTR SUCKS by NedGump	Nov 20th, 2006 01:43:10 AM
It does. It sucks to high holy hell. BORING BORING BORING.. The Frighteners was a great film.
If Newline was smart... by glodene	Nov 20th, 2006 01:50:59 AM
They would've given PJ the 20 million he felt that he was owed over year ago prior to filing the lawsuit.
I smell a new QUEEN OF THE DAMNED coming up. by DerLanghaarige	Nov 20th, 2006 01:53:06 AM

what a bunch of cocksmokers by Westonian	Nov 20th, 2006 01:57:52 AM
petition? or is that pretty pointless...
No more pointless by seppukudkurosawa	Nov 20th, 2006 01:59:35 AM
Than DOGSOUP telling us to "BOYCOTT HOBBIT".
Just accept someone else doing it, PJ is too expensive by TJ50	Nov 20th, 2006 02:02:01 AM
It'd be greatly admirable if Mr. Jackson made The Hobbit, but in his inteview with Quint, it was made fairly clear PJ's already mapped out his film schedule for the next 3 years and pre through to post production for The Hobbit will be a minimum 3 year commitment. Plus PJ hasn't yet resolved his New Line lawsuit and even if he resolved it next week, his upfront 8 figure asking price and backend profit percentage request, will be unviable to both MGM and New Line. While they'll still film in in NZ, New Line don't have to use Weta (and probably won't) for the film's special FX ; there's plenty of other interested companies available.
im Boycotting New Line by Spacesheik	Nov 20th, 2006 02:02:35 AM
Its not like we gonna miss anything...what? SNAKES ON THE PLANE 2? RUSH HOUR III? fuck 'em..
Real Stupid Move New Line, Real Stupid. by Regicidal_Maniac	Nov 20th, 2006 02:23:34 AM
Sure there ARE other filmmakers and I'm not even a LOTR fan but this greedy and moronic move will hurt your takings. i guess you'll have to chaarge cinema owners $5 per ticket now you bloodsuckers.
no interest at The Hobbit, bring on Thundercats! by DarthBakpao	Nov 20th, 2006 02:31:31 AM
come on, Scott Speedman as Lion-O
Fuck it by Chilli815	Nov 20th, 2006 02:38:32 AM
ROTK was overrated, King Kong was absolute shite... the guy needs to train a new editor from scratch before he goes back to making big budget films. Should take six years, by which time this lawsuit will be dead.
Consider... by Seph_J	Nov 20th, 2006 02:44:26 AM
...this film boycotted. And if the directors who are offered this have any fucking solidarity or brains, each one of them will flat out refuse to make it on these grounds. I have absolutely no interest in seeing a film of the Hobbit. I will only see Peter Jackson's The Hobbit. Do New Line really think that McKellen, Holm, and the others would even consider doing this without their beloved PJ? I think not. And do we really want another actor to play Gandalf? Dumb question. So, New Line: the 'directors studio'- consider yourselves lower in my estimations than even Fox. You better sort this out. Remember the last time you made a fantasy without PJ? The steaming shitpile that was Dungeons & Drgaons. The Hobbit deserves better, we deserve better, and PJ CERTAINLY deserves better. And one more thing. Fuck you New Line, you backstabbing bunch of movie-fucking suits. Die.
I love people who say they hated all of the rings films by slappy jones	Nov 20th, 2006 02:50:12 AM
that is a lot of film to sit through when you hate them......must have sucked to have sat through rotk knowing how much you would hate it after you already sat through 6 hours of films you hated already...anyway....jackson was never on this project so he can hardly be off it. New Line will get some cheaper easier to push around guy to make this film you watch...
Typical Lawyer Move by ChickenDelicious	Nov 20th, 2006 02:52:20 AM
This is a typical move. New Line's lawyers are trying to force PJ & Co. to the bargaining table in order to get the lawsuit settled. If PJ had turned around and said, "OK, we'll play ball," I bet that alleged time limit on the rights would have disappeared. But PJ made the right choice, so now New Line has to stick to their decision and anger all the fans. Fire your lawyers, New Line... they did you a disservice by advising you to piss off your customers.
This is a GREAT DAY !!!!!! by Ringwearer9	Nov 20th, 2006 03:03:03 AM
I couldn't be happier. Jackson gave two shits about LOTR when he was making it, and now all he cares about is his money grubbing lawsuit. I read that right, didn't I? They wanted to roll his lawsuit problem into the new deal to make the Hobbit, if he only agreed to start on it soon, before their rights ran out? And Hackson deliberately decided NOT to resolve it that way? What's this bullshit about the "right frame of mind" to make the Hobbit? If he loved the idea of making the Hobbit, how could some money differences change that? Either he wanted to do it or he didn't. And he didn't. Well, good riddance.
What the Fuck?! Deffo a sheister/money play by KillaKane	Nov 20th, 2006 03:04:40 AM
It's a no brainer, Jackson had to be onboard, irrespective of how much moula or control he needs; it's a gravy train with biscuit wheels with him at the helm. In making that play, New Line have pissed off most of their target market and fucked up the continuityl; they'll have to recruit A list talent with the same reverence and passion for Tolkien's work as Jackson et Al. Talk about pissing on your chips!
fucking gimps!!!!! by Evil Hobbit	Nov 20th, 2006 03:06:02 AM
damn you studio loopleheaded cocksuckers!!!!
Alot of you made some great points... by Traumnovelle	Nov 20th, 2006 03:14:12 AM
...such as Ian Mckellen, Ian Holm and Andy Serkis not signing on without PJ, but what about fucking WETA? The Hobbit would not work without WETA. They know this shit through and through. No other effects team could even come close. Nah, I don't think this shit is over. Not to mention the massive public backlash, try to go ahead without PJ and the movie will be sunk before it ever even gets off the ground. Internet nerds wield hefty power. New Line will settle.
Killa Kane ... Actors are whores. They'll do it. by Ringwearer9	Nov 20th, 2006 03:14:19 AM
Nobody really loves Peter Jackson that much. And The Hobbit will look better if it's totally recast anyway. Nobody wants Ian Holm as YOUNG Bilbo. Sir Ian McKellan didn't dump the Magneto role because Brett Ratner directed the last X-Men movie. Unbunch your panties, the lot of you. Or, you know, just go read the book.
Thank God by NeotheLessar	Nov 20th, 2006 03:19:22 AM
Peter Jackson and Co. are a bunch of hacks. Long live Tolkien!
Wow... by DocPazuzu	Nov 20th, 2006 03:23:47 AM
...and I thought Fox's initial greenlighting of that AvP2 script was the worst studio decision in recent history. I'm simply staggered at the stupidity and greed of New Line in this matter. It reminds me of those funny/sad Candid Camera bits where a person sits kids down in front of a plate with a juicy chocolate chip cookie on it and tells them that if they don't eat the cookie for a few minutes while he's away, they'll get ten cookies when he comes back. Almost invariably the kids can't resist the single, tangible cookie as opposed to the promise of ten similar cookies in the near future if a bit of restraint and vision is employed. Still, there are at least two positive things to look forward to in regard to this debacle: 1) numerous hilarious and ass-ripping talkbacks in the future -- not least of all the one where we all do the AvP2 dance on the first script review ("Philbrick! What does this talking-back guy mean by "choad-masticating asshat"?"), and 2) more mind-boggling posts from Jackson hater par excellence, ringbearer9 (oops! looks like he's already started -- with a truly splendid piece of spin, complete with a new definition of greed vis-á-vis creativity.)
Keep your eyes open... by DocPazuzu	Nov 20th, 2006 03:26:18 AM
...for new talkbackers with unfamiliar names who suddenly show up encouraging us to restrain ourselves, not jump to conclusions and give New Line a chance.
You're all missing the point: It's about the TIME LIMIT by Triumph poops!	Nov 20th, 2006 03:26:27 AM
Everyone is pouncing on New Line and saying "How can you screw over Jackson?! Why would you make THE HOBBIT without him?! Why would you throw away the money he could bring you!"...but that's just the point. New Line DOES want to be whores and they DO want the movie that a LOTR prequel could bring them, but the clock is ticking on them. Jackson himself noted in his email (quote) "Ordesky said that New Line has a LIMITED TIME OPTION on the film rights they have obtained from Saul Zaentz." THAT'S why they're moving ahead so quickly. New Line wants to get this out ASAP and collect a quick billion dollars worldwide from salivating LOTR fans and cash the checks BEFORE their option runs out. And in pure business terms, as others in the Talkback have noted, if it means proceeding without Jackson and just going on the strength of the property alone -- ala doing X3 with Ratner and not waiting for Singer -- then that's what they'll do. From a business standpoint, I can see how New Line is banking on THE HOBBIT, as a property, being a stronger lure overall than Jackson's name being attached to the project. I don't like the idea...frankly I think it blows...but I will also say this. Those of you who came out of the woodwork and defended Ratner so vigorously for what he did with X3 might want to reconsider what someone new might bring to Middle Earth by taking on THE HOBBIT...
We hope that if The Hobbit goes ahead... by Charlie & Tex	Nov 20th, 2006 03:29:24 AM
...that New Line will have a Superman II-like rebellion. We're pretty sure that actors from LOTR who have characters that appear in The Hobbit will side with Peter Jackson and refuse to be in it. It'll be disappointing if they take the money...
Good point, DocPazuzu... by Ribbons	Nov 20th, 2006 03:35:53 AM
...OR SHOULD I SAY DOCPAZUZU!!!?!? That's RIGHT, I know your true identity, an-- oh. Oh, wait. You are DocPazuzu. Carry on then.
"Unbunch your panties. Or, you know, go read the book." by Ribbons	Nov 20th, 2006 03:38:08 AM
And the award for Most Ironic Post Ever goes to...
Good point DocPazuzu by Darth Thoth	Nov 20th, 2006 03:41:55 AM
... about those sure to appear new pro New Line talkbackers. And I too can't wait to read sure to come hilarious talkbacks. This morning and afternoon are going to be some good reading, hehehe.
This is just a negotiating ploy by dragon-lord	Nov 20th, 2006 03:44:19 AM
Jackson is drumming up fan ire, in order to play the stronger card against Ordesky, who thought that throwing Jackson off of the project would put Jackson back in his place regarding the lawsuit. Remember that Ordesky has NOTHING to do with the success of LOTR. It was Bill Mechanic who was the genius who made LOTR happen there. Of course, he was removed BEFORE LOTR made New Line a fortune, ahem.
Ordesky...PAY JACKSON THE MONEY YOU OWE HIM by dragon-lord	Nov 20th, 2006 03:46:11 AM
Ordesky, if you knew what was good for movies, and what made money for New Line, you'd be...well BILL MECHANIC.
3 words WHY they don't want an audit: COMING TO AMERICA by Triumph poops!	Nov 20th, 2006 03:57:43 AM
Why doesn't New Line -- or any Hollywood studio -- ever want to see a REAL audit done? 3 words for you: COMING TO AMERICA (the old Eddie Murphy African prince comedy). Back when it was made, humor columnist Art Buchwald sued Paramount, claiming they had actually stolen the idea for the movie from a submission he had turned over to them under a first look deal HE currently had with the studio. The court agreed with Buchwald and said damages were due, at which point Paramount turned around and tried to claim the standard cop-out plea: namely, the movie had never turned a profit so they COULDN'T pay any damages. Laughably, Paramount claimed this despite the fact, as Buchwald's attornies showed, that the studio had actually taken out expensive trade ads (in Variety, for example) BRAGGING about the movie's profits. The Judge agreed and ordered Paramount to bring in their accounting ledgers for the film so that everyone could fairly see just "what" studio accounting was like...at which point the laugh fest began. Right away, on Day One, the Judge discovered such stupifying things as Eddie Murphy stopping by a McDonalds near the film shoot and running up a SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLAR TAB when he decided to play generous, rich movie star and bought food not only for the giant entourage he currently had about him, but by likewise telling the McDonald's manager to give out free food to anyone locally who wanted it that day. Sure, such a gesture made Murphy look like a good guy and a "nice star" buying food for everyone for a day -- the problem was, Murphy DIDN'T pay out of his own pocket. He simply passed the buck and said "The studio will cover it"...at which point Paramount decided Murphy's multi-thousand dollar burger pit stop should be counted AGAINST the production costs of the movie. Buchwald's attornies immediately pointed to this and wondered aloud how ANY Hollywood movie could EVER break even (or post a profit) if studios were allowed to write-off such frivolous things against the actual cost of making a film. Going by this whacked out example of creative accounting, the Judge agreed and was likewise curious just "what" Paramount was backcharging against the costs of ANY of its productions... ...At which point -- what a shock! -- Paramount's legal team quickly drew up one mighty check and settled out of court with Buchwald, thus allowing them to not only sweep COMING TO AMERICA under the rug, but also sweep ALL of its accounting practices back under the rug as well.
James Cameron will save us!!! by Rindain	Nov 20th, 2006 04:06:35 AM
Please FOX, we don't want to lose AVATAR and BATTLE ANGEL now too...with THE HOBBIT and HALO gone for now it seems those are the only giant tentpoles to look forward to.
gay by El Borak	Nov 20th, 2006 04:06:44 AM
dumbest fucking decisio never made. and michael jackson is a child perv.
Rindain is right by kwisatzhaderach	Nov 20th, 2006 04:12:17 AM
Fuck The Hobbit, AVATAR is on the way!!!! Hire Terry Gilliam to make The Hobbit!
As somebody above said... by kwisatzhaderach	Nov 20th, 2006 04:15:46 AM
Serkis wouldn't make it without Jackson. Jackson will make The Hobbit, or it will not be made...
You really only need three of the actors. by WONKABAR	Nov 20th, 2006 04:19:04 AM
McKellen, Weaving, and Serkis. Other than them, every other part has to be cast anew. I know PJ had spoken of sneaking in Aragorn and Gimli, but that wasn't in the book anyway. McKellen would do it if the script is good...out of sheer love of the character. And as someone pointed out he did do X-3. He wouldn't turn it down if it had good team behind it. Weaving has what amounts to cameo, he's be down for a few days work and a paycheck. Serkis would probably feel the most loyalty to Jackson, but I'm sure they could convince him to at the very least supply the voice...which I would guess would be all that he'd be willing to do. I agree with some of the posters here that Jackson probably just wanted to quit while he was ahead. Now that he has Kong out of the way I'm guessing he wants to move onto more serious non-fantasy stuff and show that his Oscar wasn't just a fluke. It's probably a wise choice on his part. I would imagine as well that as a fan, Peter would like to just sit down and WATCH a middle-earth movie for once and enjoy it like the rest of us. Hell, he might even encourage the actors to take the parts with his blessing just to ensure the movie is something he would like to see himself. Also, don't be surprised if WETA gets involved despite this not being a Wingnut film. They're a special FX house for hire just like ILM and they're not gonna turn down a job...especially now that HALO is semi-on-hold. And of course New Line will shoot in NZ cuz it's cheaper...though I would prefer if they shot some of it in Europe (I missed the green moss and mist in the LOTR movies. The kind you only get in places like England) I'm willing to give it a chance for now.
Yeah I want AVATAR info now...start the hype train FOX! by Rindain	Nov 20th, 2006 04:20:57 AM
I want casting news, an official release date, concept art, even a teaser website with a title logo! I have faith that AVATAR can be as if not more groundbreaking than the original Star Wars, The Matrix, or LOTR trilogy. Bring it the fuck on!
Ringwearer9 by Trader Groucho 2	Nov 20th, 2006 04:24:28 AM
You don't devote a decade of your life to something as an artist unless you truly have a deep passion for it. I hasten to remind you that when PJ went in to pitch LOTR, his biggest project to date had been The Frighteners, something of a box office disappointment. He sold the only thing he had that other more successful filmmakers didn't have - his passion for the story and his desire to do it right. If I recall correctly, Tolkien's heirs had felt burnt once or twice and THEY had to be sold on PJ, by PJ, as well. And yeah, artists like PJ may actually be temperamental enough that an ongoing legal dispute would muddy the creative waters for them. Or look at it this way. If you went to the market, and they shortchanged you, and they KNOW they shortchanged you, and when you complain, instead of offering you your money they gave a discount coupon for the amount they shortchanged you, which is only good if you spend an additional $500, would you consider that a fair deal? Would you shop there again?
My point being, I'm sure Jackson IS due money. LOTS. by Triumph poops!	Nov 20th, 2006 04:28:10 AM
Basically, going by the COMING TO AMERICA incident...and going by so many other stories like it...I'm sure Jackson KNOWS something fishy was going on with the LOTR accounting practices behind his back, and thus IS due substantial money ranging in the MILLIONS. And let's face it, that's nothing to sneeze at. Hell, who wouldn't be totally pissed off if you were literally due MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS all due to an accounting scam? Much like the COMING TO AMERICA studio accounting system, I can just see it now: some New Line execs decide to redo their offices at top flight prices or decide to take some trips or do anything else they want to spend some money on, but since they conveniently did it WHILE Lord of the Rings was in production AND since they could now technically point to some slight managerial oversight regarding some slight aspect of the films, the studio greedily wrings its hands and decides to back-bill ALL of those behind the scenes costs against the actual films themselves (and not against the operating costs of the studio) and thus conveniently shave all that money off Jackson's hard earned royalties. So I say good for Jackson for taking up the good fight. Anyone who works out here in Hollywood KNOWS how full of crap the accounting systems are. So anyone like Jackson who can shed light on the truly insane things that are allowed to happen out here has all my support completely. So take it to them, Peter. I would have loved to see you do THE HOBBIT simply to ensure a cohesive creative vision -- not to mention the THE HOBBIT is actually my favorite of the Tolkein books, so I really want to see it done right -- but if you got shafted on your money, then stick it to them where it hurts the most. Namely in court and in the wallet!
Triumph Poops - thank you! by Trader Groucho 2	Nov 20th, 2006 04:28:27 AM
And BTW - are ANY of the people who had the testicular fortitude to roll the dice with PJ more than a decade ago for three films at an average of more than $90m a pop, before anyone even knew if the first film would turn a dime's profit, even at New Line now?
Get del Toro to direct The Hobbit! by Reelheed	Nov 20th, 2006 05:01:33 AM
This couldn't be a worse situation for this film. or maybe it could. I willing to believe that the studio can find someone capable of making the movie the fans all hope. Fantasy films seem to be impossible for most people to do well (eragon for instance looks shockingly bad) and so the choice of director is basically going to be what makes this film sink or swim. GET IT RIGHT.
AVATAR NOT UNTIL 2008 OR 2009 by snakecharmer	Nov 20th, 2006 05:07:41 AM
I mentioned James Cameron and Avatar earlier, before Rindain got everybody all worked up, just to tell Jackson that his effects in LOTR and KK will be destroyed if Cameron pulls of what he wants to do with AVATAR. If you've read the treatment, you know what i'm refering to. Oddly, Cameron was inspired to return to features after he saw The Return of the King. ROTK showed him that the technology was there for him to make AVATAR. He's using WETA. Jackson must be seening the concept art and animatics. He will own your ass, Jackson. Sorry, but Cameron inspired me to want to make films. He delivers something new everytime. I will admit that the dialogue in Titanic is painful at times. Lates.
Told you guys. LOL by Gorrister	Nov 20th, 2006 05:11:11 AM
Jackson spent every penny of his cinematic capital on King Kong. That monstrocity didn't even come close to expectations. Because of this, I have said I wouldn't be surprised if Jackson gets passed over for The Hobbit. Don't get me wrong, I like Jackson. Unfortunatley, he's developed "Lucas Syndrome", meaning he thinks he can now do no wrong with a movie. It's a terrible disease to catch and few filmmakers ever recover from it.
For the past fifteen months... by emeraldboy	Nov 20th, 2006 05:12:56 AM
Entertainment Film Distributors and the Irish Cinema owners Ward anderson have been locked in a row. So what does this mean? it means if you live in dun loaghaire or anywhere in ireland that has either a cinplex cinema or ominplex cinema or a IMC cinema, you will not be able to see any newline movie, why? EFD 15 months terminated its deal with Ward Anderson and it also effects DVD releases as well. AS a regualr film goer Newline can go jump in a lake.
"Good morning, my neighbors." "Fuck you!!" by pokadoo	Nov 20th, 2006 05:16:34 AM
"Yes. Yes. Fuck you, too."
Damn you New Line by DirkD13"	Nov 20th, 2006 05:18:31 AM
Damn you New Line
Saul Zaentz may stop New Line in it's tracks plus... by workshed	Nov 20th, 2006 05:33:09 AM
...the power of the Tolkien Estate is mighty. If they don't sanction it you may find The Hobbit on hold for much longer than you anticipate. The key to this is the second/third prequel which would surely have to be approved by the family. I would say watch this space but from the sound of things Fran and Peter have had enough of New Line's shenanigans. I mean who wants to get back in bed with a whore only to find in the morning that they've taken your watch and wallet..? Personally, i would love to see the pair of them work on at least one of the forthcoming movies in the Bond franchise what with MGM/Sony relations being good, if not great. And i'm sure Ms.Brocolli would love to have them aboard. Is Peter a Bond lover..? I never asked him but i sure would be interested in the answer. If all else fails he can just call up 'The Boys' and make Bad Taste II for the kind of dosh he would have spent with New Line refitting Bilbo's Baggend bathroom.
I HAVE A DREAM!!!!! by Darth__Moa	Nov 20th, 2006 05:37:13 AM
PJ will helm the Hobbit. New Line playing games but dont realise how it really works down here in New Zealand. "Deciding to make a movie should come from the heart - it's not a matter of business convenience". Untill you can understand and appreciate that, your screwed.
Which director would be stupid enough to take this on? by brokentusk	Nov 20th, 2006 05:50:39 AM
Now that New Line have officially pissed off every fan of their MASSIVE franchise, they've pretty much doomed themselves. I'm not sure which director would want to put this amount of pressure on themselves either, I sure wouldn't.
fuck by eviltoast	Nov 20th, 2006 05:53:29 AM
fuck.
I hate to break it to you guys but... by The Midget_King	Nov 20th, 2006 05:54:58 AM
do you really think New Line gives a flying fuck if a few fanboys suddenly boycott their movies? I hate to say it but New Line execs aren't going to read this talkback and change their minds. The fact is, these kind of movies arent made for the fans. Movies are made to entertain the general public. You know, the people who dont masterbate to the extra bonus features on the re-released dvds. The same people that have lives and dont spend every waking moment pretending to be fucking Gandorf in their basements. Keep in mind, these movies may be catered to its die hard fans, but by and large, this movie will be made with or without the approval of the guys who dress up as Frodo and wait in line for a week to see it opening night. So before you stop kissing your Arwen dolls and crucify me, let me just say, ah fuck it, shut the fuck up you blubbering babies. Who gives a fuck if Peter Jackson doesnt direct this movie? Have you ever thought for a second that maybe this series has worn out its welcome? And lets get back to PJ for a second. The fucking world is not going to end if he doesnt direct this thing. Too fucking bad if your childhood fantasies of seeing a Hobbit movie are crumbled by the shittiness that it may come to be. Grow the fuck up and get over it. Porch Monkeys. Hey its ok, Im taking it back.
New Line, I'm just stunned, are you INSANE?! by brokentusk	Nov 20th, 2006 06:00:08 AM
This really is the difference between making a billion dollars, and three hundred million dollars - and that's a big difference. This is the difference between pissing off every fan of the franchise YOU built, and risk ruining one of the greatest film universes of ALL TIME. Don't you want to win another Oscar? Don't you want to make the fans happy? Don't you WANT more money? I don't understand your actions at all, I'm just at a loss here. Reconsider, or face a backlash like you've never seen before. You think the TRANSFORMERS fans are pissed right now? Just wait until some other director starts messing around with this franchise. Just wait...
It ain't over yet, kids by YourNextPresident	Nov 20th, 2006 06:00:23 AM
Jackson is leveraging the fan base against New Line. That's why this email was sent to TheOneRing.net, because Jackson wants to make the Hobbit (and the buckets of money it would generate), and he doesn't want New Line to get away with just dumping the project on somebody else and blaming him for it. It's not over yet.
Well by Alientoast	Nov 20th, 2006 06:03:27 AM
Without PJ, the likelyhood of landing the core actors is far diminished. R.I.P. Hobbit.
WELL/WOW by THE KNIGHT	Nov 20th, 2006 06:04:53 AM
I'm suprised as hell... Fuck New Line right up their stupid asses.. Fools...
midget king... by dimnix	Nov 20th, 2006 06:08:03 AM
Now, I dont often post talkback... but when I see some talkbacker acting all higher-and-mightier than every other talkbacker and then descending into the same negative trashtalk that most talkbackers use - I've gotta say something. Cut the hypocricital bullshit, asshole. And dont undermine the sort of benefit that both Peter Jackson and the fantase had on the LOTR films. The studio going forward with these films regardless of the talent involved is purely a money decision. Jackson wanting to do it but take the time to properly work things out is an artistic deicision. And when it comes down to it, which of those would you rather side with?
Eh.. by kafka07	Nov 20th, 2006 06:09:10 AM
It does really suck. But I think at this point there might be too much baggage for everyone anyway. It's probably time for a new director. I mean think about it: the same director on a total of up to about 6 films?? Last time I saw that happen it was the Star Wars series and we know how that turned out. I'm not saying I wouldn't want Jackson back. I guess I'm just trying to see the positive in this. I do hope they get Ian McKellan to play Gandalf again. And something I think is tragic is that PJ's special effects company will likely be out of the project now.
Way to go, New Line! by Mr_Incredible	Nov 20th, 2006 06:11:19 AM
If agreeing to bankroll The Lord of the Rings (when every other studio had turned it down) was your smartest decision ever, then this must surely be your stupidest decision. No Peter Jackson = No The Hobbbit!
Can I take a number to forecast The Hobbit by CreasyBear	Nov 20th, 2006 06:15:38 AM
as being sadly similar to Dungeons & Dragons the movie, DragonHeart 2, and the latest Uwe Boll movie? And since I don't have time to read all these posts, I can trust that someone has already suggested Boll to head this Hobbit production?
dimnix... by The Midget_King	Nov 20th, 2006 06:16:15 AM
Well said. And to answer your question, I would side with neither. Dont give me that "artistic" bullshit. Peter Jackson didnt direct these movies to be artistic. He may have had a passion for Tolkien but lets face it, he wanted to make money. If Fellowship tanked, I seriously doubt he would have directed the second. Why? Because regardless of how passionate you are to making a film, why make it when it isnt going to make a dime?
Now Come On Guys.... by Pawprint	Nov 20th, 2006 06:16:23 AM
Let's not jump to conclusions this early... give NewLine a chance; they know what they're doing. Remember - NO-ONE is irreplacable...
MGM, Jackson, and the fans VS New Line by Rindain	Nov 20th, 2006 06:17:12 AM
THE HOBBIT can only be made if New Line and MGM come to some kind fo agreement. So what would happen if MGM decides to a)shun New Line until either New Line settles the lawsuit and lets Jackson on board, or b) wait until New Line's limited time option runs out, at which point I'd assume New Line's portion of the rights would be available to the highest bidder. If Jackson has both MGM and the fans on his side he might win this battle...
Midget_King by DocPazuzu	Nov 20th, 2006 06:21:46 AM
Your credibility might be elevated somewhat if you could point to other talkbacks in which you have taken part in the past, because right now you look, sound and smell like something other than pure talkbacker.
What the hell man....!?! by PhantomSpazzz	Nov 20th, 2006 06:24:40 AM
This is what happens when you have business people involved in making decisions in a creative field. Hollywood is so fucked up. An average person or casual movie fan is calling the fuck up with this movie way before its even made. We can all see this why cant they?!
they shouldnt even bother by Obscura	Nov 20th, 2006 06:25:19 AM
the lord of the rings was such a unique movie, not just for what appeared on screen, but for the behind the scenes story that we all know and love. thanks to the extended editions, we all felt like we were part of the journey of making these films. the crew are as much characters in this story as anything tolkien wrote, and thats why so many people feel hurt about this. as fans we've NEVER been so close to the making of a movie (apart from maybe king kong.) Theres no way Serkis will take the job without Peter, not after 4 films together. and we the fans, will miss the crew... we'll miss the story of how you make an epic... without the crew, you simply cant do a sequel/prequel, because if you lose the crew, you lose the spirit of the film. yes you can replace it, but it will never be the same.
Pazuzu by The Midget_King	Nov 20th, 2006 06:27:26 AM
Are you fucking kidding me? So I am less credible because I dont haunt aintitcool.com? I'm sorry I have a fucking job. A shitty job, yes, but a job. Wipe the sand out of your pussy. Must hurt you "regulars" to have someone who posts twice a year make you fucking cry and spoon each other.
Moriarty .... by fpuk99	Nov 20th, 2006 06:39:28 AM
.... I think the debacle that was 'snakes on a plane' proved that having fandom onboard has very little to do with financial success.
R.I.P. New Line by PRAWNBALL11	Nov 20th, 2006 06:48:35 AM
A historic drop from the top of the ladder...right down to the very bottom rung (and that bottom rung has severe woodworm)…all of this with only one outrageous decision based on chronic greed and momentous stupidity….Shame on you all. The fans made you very rich…and you’ve well and truly bitten them in the arse end. Unfortunately, I fear that the sum of money offered to the cast will be the deciding factor to their return…However, we will soon see that when you break up a beautiful partnership and bring in strangers…you’re more than pissing into the wind of good sense.
Pawprint by Ribbons	Nov 20th, 2006 06:50:41 AM
Thank you! I agree... 110%! It's so easy for us to criticize the people who we think are the bad guys, but the bottom line is that New Line was faced with some tough financial decisions to make and are doing the best they can to deliver the best product possible. Just give them a chance, 'Rings'-fans, they'll find someone just as good or better than Jackson.
This movie could still be good.... by WONKABAR	Nov 20th, 2006 06:54:31 AM
SEE: my post above from earlier. However, if "yournextpresident" is right then I stand, if you will, with PJ. If I'm right, then I wish the new team good luck. And fpuk99....I don't think Snakes ever had any "serious" support....at least the same kind of LOTR-level support anyway. Different case altogether. People created Snakes photoshop-joke pics and so forth. But there were never any real hard-core fan-sites like One-Ring feverously devoted to it.
Ribbons by dimnix	Nov 20th, 2006 06:55:04 AM
Don't be delusional, this is a decition based purely on money and release dates. It's the equivelant of Fox hiring Ratner to make a rushed X3 instead of waiting for Singer. And we all know how that turned out.
Midget_King by DocPazuzu	Nov 20th, 2006 06:55:59 AM
Thanks for proving my point.
dimnix by Ribbons	Nov 20th, 2006 06:59:04 AM
That's not true, you're just an as-yet-undetermined new-director-of-The Hobbit hater!
Midget King.... by Seph_J	Nov 20th, 2006 07:02:06 AM
..."If Fellowship tanked, I seriously doubt he would have directed the second"... Err, Jackson directed all three films at the same time. Any body even remotely appreciative of the film would know this. Why do you post comments on something you dont know about? If the first one 'tanked'... then he would still have had his name on all three. He DID it out of passion. And he had bollocks the size of Pluto to do it. I love PJ. Forever. You hear me Peter Jackson? I love you. xxx
here ye! here ye! by teh ran	Nov 20th, 2006 07:07:48 AM
I thought Peter Jackson came across as arrogant in that email. As much as I enjoyed the LOTR trilogy, King Kong was a bloated pile of crap. LOTR had it's flaws and some scenes that will jar me out of the immersion everytime (Orlando f'n Bloom skating down the flight of stairs on a shield for one!). The only thing the hobbit would suffer for is capturing the same look and feel, but even that would be replicated over time. And lastly every single person here would still go and see it/buy the dvd jackson or not!
The Hobbit will make money. by beastie	Nov 20th, 2006 07:16:50 AM
No matter who directs, what script it has, who stars, having the name - The Hobbit will make the film money. However, without Peter Jackson, it probably won't make AS MUCH money. If New Line just pays Jackson what he says they owe him, I'm guessing, with his name attatched to the film, it will make at least that much more money opening weekend. And then they should consider subsequent weekends and DVD sales. If they make a terrible version, or even one that doesn't quite match up to LOTR, the word-of-mouth and repeated viewings will not be there like they would if Jackson directed.
Why Remake the Rankin-Bass Classic Anyway? :) by tonagan	Nov 20th, 2006 07:22:31 AM
Man, that Hollywood. Not an original idea in their collective head. I did like the animated version as a kid (it got me interested in actually reading the books - remember when movies got you interested in reading? I'm old...)
Maybe this means... by omarthesnake	Nov 20th, 2006 07:24:38 AM
the Hobbit won't be four hours long with seven different endings. Seriously, folks, someone else could take the reins and do a good job. they could also do a shitty job. It REMAINS TO BE SEEN. PJ did a pretty tepid job with King Kong, so everything he touches ain't gold. And why would New Line tap a guy who has an outstanding lawsuit against them? Show Business IS a business folks, if you want artistic integrity you stick to $500,000 indie films. Sad but true. deal with it.
http://tinyurl.com/yaxefw by The Ender	Nov 20th, 2006 07:25:37 AM
This deal cheered me up! I hope it helps all of you! NO BUT SERSIOUSLY FUCK! THIS IS BULLSHIT
Well FUCK! by ATARI	Nov 20th, 2006 07:50:43 AM
This is not the kind of news I need to start my week.
Show me the Money by stvnhthr	Nov 20th, 2006 08:02:30 AM
I think this boils down to ego. The studio execs don’t want a director telling them what to do. Plus we all know studios routinely lie about profits. Look at the Crow movies which have never paid a dime to creator James O’Barr even though they routinely make a profit and continue to be a staple of the straight to video market.
You people who hope that others jump shit are absurd. by Azlam Orlandu	Nov 20th, 2006 08:02:48 AM
To me the most important thing is that we get a quality Hobbit film. I don't give a rat's dick who directs it as long as it's good. Furthermore you guys who hope that the Ians jump ship with Jackson are fools. Peter's pocketbook is full and I don't give a damn about any of the individuals involved because what I'll remember is that DVD on my shelf years later in hopes that it's worthy of being there.
Oh Shit...does this mean Brett Ratner gets to direct? by BNITT	Nov 20th, 2006 08:02:53 AM
Oh Shit...does this mean Brett Ratner gets to direct The Hobbit?? I just know how studios think...
what's the point by filmcoyote	Nov 20th, 2006 08:07:03 AM
of making this without Jackson. New Line just give the man the money you owe him, that he made for you, and then nab him for this. New Line are idiots to pass up an opportunity to get him back because they are squabbling about money they wouldn't have without Jackson.
New Line should get their layers to direct this movie by skycrapper	Nov 20th, 2006 08:07:21 AM
Fucking Retards. I'm not seeing Rush Hour 3 for this!
I just e-maild New Line by BilboRing	Nov 20th, 2006 08:10:03 AM
I think we should all flood their e-mails from their Contact Us. Together we can stand tall and proud. We are dorks and we will be heard!!!!!
Maybe They Dont Want PJ Because by georges garvaren	Nov 20th, 2006 08:10:18 AM
he will turn a simple and straight forward 200 page story into a 4 hour long emotionless wankfest. I think it is an acceptable idea and people who disagree with New Lines decision need to stop turning PJ into a martyr of Geekdom and stop pretending that no one else could ever possibly tell this story as well, if not better than he. GeeWiz, people. Relax the fuck up.
Peter Jackson may not be a great director. by BilboRing	Nov 20th, 2006 08:13:16 AM
But he is a great Middle Earth director. He knows his Hobbits. And he knows how to direct them and their fucking ego!!! Who else will convince Smeagol to come back for a new film. That slithery fuck!!
Peter Jackson didn't direct the films for money. by brokentusk	Nov 20th, 2006 08:16:07 AM
Sure, he wanted to make money - everyone does, but he didn't know that these films would be raking in the money. I mean, seriously - if anything he was taking the biggest gamble of his life. If the films turned out to be DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS quality, he would be ruined forever. I hate it when people think they know the real story and everyone else is just totally ignorant and naive. As someone mentioned above, this decision can in no way be defended. It just can't. Giving this film to another director is just too big a gamble now, sure it COULD turn out to be a great film, but it there is the biggest possibility of it in no way resembling THE LORD OF THE RINGS films, which is what everyone wants. They're doing this out of impatience and greed - and, like X3, they'll make some money, but at the cost of a quality film.
Gimli's in the book, WONKABAR by ErnieAnderson	Nov 20th, 2006 08:26:56 AM
You might want to reread THE HOBBIT if you don't remember him...
ZombieSolutions, Weta Workshop is co-owned by... by Talkbacker with no name	Nov 20th, 2006 08:34:33 AM
...friends and colleagues Richard Taylor, Tania Rodger, Peter Jackson and Jamie Selkirk.
Ringwearer9, I was'nt referring to the acting talent.. by KillaKane	Nov 20th, 2006 08:50:18 AM
Whore's some of 'em may well be, I'm sure the so called actor's 'fellowship' of the LOTR (allegiances) will be tested when the casting director comes a calling for the Hobbit. The only obvous choice would be for Mckellen to reprise, though I'm sure there would be an uproar from the geek masses if new faces/vox replaced the likes of Elrond and Gollum (the only other characters that come to mind who appear in the Hobbit, FYI yup I 've read the books thanks, maybe you should ;-). Deffo Bilbo should be a new face, James Mcavoy would be cool. My bug-bear, and the gist of my initial posting is that Jackson won't be on board, and it worries me (and most of the talkbackers if the postings are anything to go by) that we're going to get the short shrift on a lack lustre director and an inferior bookend to the series. I'm a fan of Jackson's, evidently you're not, but fair play to your opinion, maybe some wunderkind director will surprise us all.
LOTR was a MELODRAMATIC cashcow by even9	Nov 20th, 2006 08:57:34 AM
MELODRAMA:"a work, e.g. a film or play, characterized by crude emotional appeal and by the predominance of plot and action over characterization" Search your feelings, you know it to be true... Still, made alot of people happy, didn't it? And better than nothing at all, wasn't it? What i would like to see is an anime series or live action trilogy of the Shannara series by Terry Brooks. And apart from the great art etc involved in bringing the world to life, like all great mythology(which the LOTR films were not) it should contain eosteric points of view, not easily ignored in the rush to the cash till.
to be fair, he is the greatest director of all time by Fearsme	Nov 20th, 2006 09:00:01 AM
at least, that what Boyens said last year about King Kong, that he was so good that every other Director would just 'up and quit' after seeing it. Here we are a year later.... and i don't think anyone has quit.... as for the Hobbit.... WHO CARES?
Are all movie studios... by Frankenblogger	Nov 20th, 2006 09:01:13 AM
...run by absolute morons? Given the amount of money PJ and crew made for New Line, they should have bent over backwards to get the audit done and handled everything honorably. But no, people have to act like children. It's all about who pissed off who and the $5 they can save. Artistic integrity is therefore thrown out the window.
About Jackson by Ribbons	Nov 20th, 2006 09:03:00 AM
No one's saying he's Fellini. No one's saying he's like the best director since ever and that nobody else is capable of making good films compared to him. The reason I'm concerned about this is because of the depth of production design and work that went into the making of the LotR series. It is theoretically possible for another talented filmmaker to step in and tell an emotional and/or entertaining story given the same material, but I'm afraid it's gonna end up looking like 'Eragon' (a.k.a. not good).
Am I the only one who loved King Kong? by beastie	Nov 20th, 2006 09:04:08 AM
Length and all, I loved that movie. The only thing I could have done without was the ice-skating scene. Otherwise that was one of my favorite adventure movies of recent years.
PJ has a beer and cheets on his lawyer by The Earl of March	Nov 20th, 2006 09:08:15 AM
Typical corporate posturing. PJ wants to get paid, so does New Line, and everyone knows they want him for this project. Come on. Greasy fanboys will kick and scream and New Line will 'cave' to fan pressure and everyone will congratulate themselves on being true to the source material when they are doing anything but. It might be nice to see a new face, the Hobbit is nowhere near as dark as the trilogy in terms of the books, so why not try a new approach? It won't happen though.
i just read the email.... by Fearsme	Nov 20th, 2006 09:10:37 AM
so this is about money. wow. isn't that sad. Jackson didn't want to talk about the projects until his lawsuits were resolved. So basically, this director that everyone claims is just 'a big fan' is actually just another money grubbing corporate type posing as a nice kiwi bloke. the system infects everyone. why did we think Jackson would be any different. Maybe if he had said "i want to make these films, and i KNOW we will resolve this lawsuit. Line were drawn on both sides.
The fact that Newline gave the distribution rights by emeraldboy	Nov 20th, 2006 09:22:18 AM
to another company Entertainment Film Distributors who then decided to pull the rites from Irelands largest cinema group Ward Anderson, tells me that this company is run by idiots. Why did du luca leave. Cause he saw the retards taking over? that is why.
meh. It's not like this is as important as X-Men by ejcarter9	Nov 20th, 2006 09:33:09 AM
Hobbit. Who cares?
KING KONG RULED!!! by BilboRing	Nov 20th, 2006 09:47:58 AM
PJ did not fail at all with King Kong. That was a great movie. I loved it and will own the extended release. Fuck all you haters! Hater punks marry hater bitches and have hater kids! You all will never go away so stew in your own hell. Peter Jackson purely loved LOTR. And to not have him do the Hobbit would be a crime. LOTR was not nearly long enough.
Hire christophe gans by iKon	Nov 20th, 2006 09:48:48 AM
he'd rock. -.-
"Jackson directed all three by The Midget_King	Nov 20th, 2006 09:49:55 AM
"Jackson directed all three films at the same time. Any body even remotely appreciative of the film would know this." You are correct sir, I DO NOT remotely appreciate the films so I guess I have an excuse. So whats yours? For what? For being the lunch lady cunt licker you are, thats what. However, you are absolutely correct and I stand corrected. But for the love of god, will you people stop saying he did the movies out of passion already. Because that was not his sole reason for doing them. Helen Keller could have seen the money to be made on this series. Forgive me if I'm wrong but seriously how many people who read the books prior to the films dream of one day seeing LOTR in the theater? I cant answer for myself because I never read the books. I didnt even read the back of the Hobbit until 2000. Peter Jackson cashed in on all those people. Because he knew there were people out there that wanted to see a LOTR movie. Yes, he was passionate about the films, I wont argue that. But to fucking say that is the only reason he made them is fucking bullshit because he knew there was a shit load of money to be made. It all comes down to the fucking money.
We Have A quaint yet apt saying over here in Britain... by Ra Ra Rasputin	Nov 20th, 2006 09:50:38 AM
"What A Bunch Of Twats". Sums New Line Up Nicely I Think. They Obviously never watched the X-MEN 3 Which Was An Amazing Piece Of High Speed Shit Off A Stick.
I NEED THE HOBBIT by BilboRing	Nov 20th, 2006 09:53:15 AM
I have been jonsing for the Hobbit like a crack head since the extended edition of ROTK came out. I can watch these movied all day and nothing else. Dammit it PJ does not put together a 2-part Hobbit. He's the only guy for the job. Shit. Shit. Shit!!!!
Jackson is to blame too. by mr. brownstone	Nov 20th, 2006 09:53:18 AM
This is a two way street we're talking about here. That said New Line are being stingy and shady.
I agree with Mr. Brownstone by BilboRing	Nov 20th, 2006 09:54:17 AM
It is never just one side's fault. Both should just get over it and make the fucking movie!!!
Explanation in two simple words... by Kid Z	Nov 20th, 2006 09:55:58 AM
... "King Kong"!
Mental_Midget_King by DocPazuzu	Nov 20th, 2006 09:56:39 AM
Do you have even slightest inkling of how stupid you make yourself sound? You're attempting to use your vast ignorance of both the films and the books as some sort of strength in your weak debating efforts. The less you know, the louder you scream and the more vulgar you become. How's that working out for you?
Pazuzu by The Midget_King	Nov 20th, 2006 10:01:18 AM
Quite well thanks. Is my vulgarity offending you? Thats a shame. Please explain to me why my vast ignorance is getting your panties all in a bunch.
Someone suggested emailing New line by emeraldboy	Nov 20th, 2006 10:05:16 AM
and my advice is dont bother, I tried to when I was getting to the bottom the Newline/imc business. Bunch of twats is quite correct. First Wesley Snipes, then the EFD business and Jackson is suing them, it cant to good to be Newline exec these days.
WELL by THE KNIGHT	Nov 20th, 2006 10:07:53 AM
I'm still dissappointed... I hope they can come to an agreement here...
Mental_Midget by DocPazuzu	Nov 20th, 2006 10:08:39 AM
My panties are just fine. In fact, I find your pitiful ranting quite amusing. And no, vulgarity doesn't bother me but the gradual increase of its use in your posts is hilarious. As for your ignorance bugging me -- don't take it personally, "Gandorf". I'm annoyed (and vaguely disgusted) by all its forms, but never so much as when it's used as a battering ram by cretins trying to make a point by yelling louder and more obnoxiously than everyone else.
Not terrible news at all. by Godardwhowhatnow	Nov 20th, 2006 10:09:45 AM
The reason he sent an email to the kids at One Ring was to drum up righteous fanboy furor to protect what he sees as his property. The LOTR movies were great, but it isn't his property. New Line executives aren't morons. They're not going to let Uwe Boll, or Brett Ratner, or god knows who else ruin their chance at amassing another vast fortune. I'd love to see another person's take on the Hobbit (and, presumably, a 'filler' film), as long as there's as much attention to detail and adherence to the original material as there was with LOTR. if there's anything that King Kong has showed us, it's that while Peter Jackson has a great deal of visual flair and creativity, he's no auteur genius. Rather than trying to drum up the angry mob, he should be passing the reigns on with dignity. (...self absorbed, bad dialogue writing asshole!)
The Midget_King by Talkbacker with no name	Nov 20th, 2006 10:10:17 AM
Jackson and his team made the movies out of passion. You admit you don't 'remotely appreciate the films' and show you don't have much knowledge on the subject to enter into the debate on any level! Could you get some overtime at your shitty job please? The less you post here the better really.
I'm actually torn on this. by Childe Roland	Nov 20th, 2006 10:12:04 AM
While on the one hand I'd love to see a Hobbit that fits flawlessly in terms of visuals and thematics with the trilogy, on the other hand I wasn't a huge fan of Petey's plan to bulk up the Hobbit with a bunch of trilogy baggage. In a perfect world, Petey would tackle this, with WETA, and make a fairly straightforward, kid-friendly adaptation that could serve as a cinematic stepping stone to his trilogy for future generations (much as The Hobbit was a great introduction to Middle Earth for grade schoolers who later lost themeselves in Tolkein's literary world). And in this world, we'd get the best of both as surely Petey would release an expanded edition containing all of the trilogy-focused material he wanted to insert into the narrative. But I won't scream about this being the apocalypse until I see who else they're looking at for The Hobbit. As someone above said, there are other directors out there.
New Line Address by exie	Nov 20th, 2006 10:17:33 AM
New Line Cinema 116 N. Robertson Blvd. Ste. 200 Los Angeles, CA 90048
email address by Tennynche	Nov 20th, 2006 10:18:52 AM
looking at the New Line email address schema I tried Mark.Ordesky@newline.com
So by pandamaster83	Nov 20th, 2006 10:19:59 AM
Will Shore, McKellan and Serkis return if Jackson is excluded? And I'm guessing no WETA either, which is a travesty. The only potential upside (for some people, not me) is that the film will arrive sooner rather than later. As I suggest, this isn't necessarily a good thing.
look some of the blame should go to PJ by mikey mike	Nov 20th, 2006 10:20:44 AM
I'm sure much like Halo he asked for way too much money and didn't get it. I know it's easy to demonize the studios but the man was probably asking for like 25 mil, plus a huge return profit so you can't blame them for making that decision. blame money hungry Peter Jackson. plus would you work with someone that sued for oer 100 mil. after you gave the chance to make a movie that propelled their career?
Hey Midget King by Abin Sur	Nov 20th, 2006 10:23:32 AM
Don't you need

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