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Harry Sees CASINO ROYALE, But Wonders Where All The Japanese Schoolkids Killing Each Other Are!

First by Kristian66	Nov 17th, 2006 06:04:11 AM
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About time.... by TheAllSeeingEye	Nov 17th, 2006 06:09:33 AM
I had no interest in seeing this Bond movie after the disappointments in the last Bond flicks. But the good press this is receiving has done the trick; i'm going tonight. Let's hear it for the Blonde Bond.
Bond 22 by emeraldboy	Nov 17th, 2006 06:10:10 AM
is going to be every hard act to follow. Ill be seeing Bond 21 tomorrow.
Aston Martin IS a Ford... by HCEarwicker	Nov 17th, 2006 06:25:40 AM
... mais n'enculons pas des mouches. Great review.
Oh I get it... by Drworm2002	Nov 17th, 2006 06:26:07 AM
A Battle Royale refrence
James a Blunt instrument by AllieJamison	Nov 17th, 2006 06:34:57 AM
that's funny
Dench M? by Bob Muttonchops	Nov 17th, 2006 06:35:12 AM
Am I the only one who's confused about which character Dench is supposed to be playing. Is this the same M that Brosnan encountered or a new one? Is this film totally independent from the others or a prequel set in 007's vague timeless timeline. If this is a total reboot then why keep Dench to confuse people. Sure she's a good actor but then they didn't bring back Pat Hingle say for Batman Begins. Fine if you want to keep M as a woman, Helen Mirren anyone? Just seems a strange idea, not that it'll matter once I've seen I guess.
Daniel Craig is James Bond by antonphd	Nov 17th, 2006 06:47:39 AM
This movie has the quote of the year. I can't say it without spoiling the movie, but, it's the best defiant quip I've heard is a very long time. The audience loved it. All I can say is, I want more. I'll be back to the theater tomorrow to catch this again. And I can't wait for 22. I'm getting happier and happier as I look back on the movie. This is James Bond for grown ups. Finally.
Let's just hope... by kwisatzhaderach	Nov 17th, 2006 06:48:12 AM
they don't wreck it all next time by hiring a hack director like they did after GoldenEye. The 3 other Brosnan films were all duds. Let's try and avoid that in future please Messrs Wilson and Broccoli? Great to see a good Bond film again.
Oh, and... by kwisatzhaderach	Nov 17th, 2006 06:49:30 AM
can't get the title sequence out of my head...just super cool. One of the great pleasures of cinema.
kwisatzhaderach by antonphd	Nov 17th, 2006 06:49:38 AM
My money is on a return for the same director. It's clear that they are going somewhere specific with this. It's the first 007 movie with a cliffhanger.
antonphd by kwisatzhaderach	Nov 17th, 2006 06:50:17 AM
Campbell said on UK tv this week that he wouldn't be doing the next one sadly...
CraigNotBond? Bitches!!! by HarryBlackPotter	Nov 17th, 2006 06:51:31 AM
Whose laughing now ya retards? Danny boy Craig, that's who. I knew he'd nail it. Ha ha. Well done Martin Campbell and Sony. Thanks for giving us the real man behind the tux - the character Flemming wrote but we've never seen before.
Bob Muttonchops by antonphd	Nov 17th, 2006 06:52:36 AM
Dench is back as M because she is almost... she so cool... they could make a series of just her character the way she's plays this time. She's so much richer in this movie than the other 4. In her first 2 minutes in this movie she out bad asses her other 4 performances. Bam. Just like that.
Dench as M by McBane	Nov 17th, 2006 06:57:35 AM
Seems they are going down the "James Bond" is the 007 code jname route. Well thats the best way to look at it if having Dench as M ruins continuity for you.
Same Question with Addition by Dersu	Nov 17th, 2006 07:03:55 AM
I asked this over at the Capone review: “Where does this film stand in the James Bond canon? It looks like it’s set in modern times, instead of in the ‘50s or ‘60s. Judi Dench is playing M again. She didn’t play M until ‘GoldenEye,’ and before that the character was always male. Is this perhaps a prequel to ‘GoldenEye,’ possibly implying that the other movies before that one were part of a different series entirely, or is this movie a complete do-over, like ‘Batman Begins?’ The thing is, the James Bond movies rarely made sense seeing as the character never aged in the forty odd years of the MGM franchise.” I didn't get an answer there. Maybe I'll luck out here. Also, it's interesting that M is a woman again in this movie, considering that in the novel, James Bond was incredibly sexist. Of course, he was sexist in the previous movies as well, but the movies didn’t play it as harsh and blunt as the “Casino Royale” novel did. Does this movie acknowledge his blatant sexism?
Best part in Casino Royale: by Darth Chode	Nov 17th, 2006 07:04:08 AM
is when Bond lays down a pair of Aces, smirks and says, "Maybe poker's just not your game, Le Chiffre. I know, let's have a spelling contest!" Awesome.
Well Holy Shit. by savagexp	Nov 17th, 2006 07:09:02 AM
Harry actually just wrote a simple review! No life story, no fucked up analogies, no blathering! Just a straight-forward review! Bravo, Harry! And well-written, to boot!
Continuity by NachoNegro	Nov 17th, 2006 07:11:41 AM
Anyone heard of a little thing called 'suspension of disbelief'? Anyway, you may remember the great Lazenby saying 'this never happened to the other guy'? That was an effort to bring some realism to the character in terms of continuity, and the public hated it. So now they just don't bother about it - and neither should you.
Oh and by the way.... by NachoNegro	Nov 17th, 2006 07:12:37 AM
Whats the chemistry like between Bond and M? I reckon there's some hard core action going on there behind the scenes.
My Dream Director for 22 by antonphd	Nov 17th, 2006 07:19:46 AM
Steven Spielberg. Let him make 007 22 like Munich. Oh. Man. With where the story can go now. That would just be awesome. Craig as Bond deserves to have A++ directors drawn to making Bond movies.
SPOILERISH my fave bit - by board shitlez	Nov 17th, 2006 07:29:14 AM
there is a point when the game appears to have collapsed around Bond - he is at rock bottom. He just grabs a knife and starts to follow the guy, intent on the kill - game or no game. It's a scene showing that Bond has lost, loses his game, and resorts to quite a base instinct and Craig does it brilliantly. All the way through the film.
Bond continuity explained: by rev_skarekroe	Nov 17th, 2006 07:38:01 AM
A wizard did it.
I remember... by biggles2_22	Nov 17th, 2006 07:53:53 AM
...wardrobe having to cover Roger Moore's old man neck-waddle in Octopussy or how about Sean Connery swapping old-man-spit with Kim Basinger in Never Say Never. The thing about the Bond series is that when it's good, it's good, when it's bad, it sucks beyond recognition. If this film gets mixed reviews, trust me, it sucks. BTW How does anyone think that the Timothy Dalton Bond flicks were even watchable?! I've seen 70's porno with better production values. Have you forgotten Wayne Newton's temple love grotto?! Danke Shane, darling! I'm an old fart and have grown up with all of the Bonds. Connery had 3 greats, Brosnan had 1, Moore? Please, those weren't Bond films they were spoofs. Dalton? 0, Lazenby? 0.
biggles2_22 by NachoNegro	Nov 17th, 2006 08:08:45 AM
Can I suggest you randomly copy the same bloody post into every single Bond - related talkback? Clown. And for the 50th time, Dalton was closer to Flemings Bond than any of the other originals. Living Daylights beat the hell out of 80% of Moores output.
FOR FUCKS SAKE NO !!!!! by Dude_gimme_tabs	Nov 17th, 2006 08:20:07 AM
NO, NO, NO, NO !!!!! James Bond is NOT a code name given to whoever has the 007 number. He is one person, always has been and always will be. Whoever suggests that one more time on any fucking talkback will be birched to within an inch of their lives..... and then one inch further. Fucktards !
Dude_gimme_tabs by NachoNegro	Nov 17th, 2006 08:21:43 AM
So how do you explain the Lazenby 'this never happened to the other guy' comment then? Birch me beee-otch if you dare!!!!
Nah by Bob Muttonchops	Nov 17th, 2006 08:24:29 AM
Continuity in bond isn't that important. Heck they didn't even make them vaguely in the order they were written. Just seemed a bit perculiar that they didn't break completely if they wanted a reboot. I'd rather they'd ditched Purvis & Wade (Bond 22) and David Arnold who uses the Bond tune (back to normal in 22 no doubt) way too much.
Nacho by Bob Muttonchops	Nov 17th, 2006 08:30:09 AM
I'm pretty sure that with OHMSS they were going to go with the idea that like Blofeld plastic surgery was the answer for it. They dropped it but they are at pains to point out it's the same guy. When he thinks of quitting he looks over all his old stuff from the previous movies. Also he has established relationships with the regular characters rather than being the new boy.
Also..... by Dude_gimme_tabs	Nov 17th, 2006 08:37:04 AM
And Moore visiting Tracey's grave in FYEO. And Leiter's short lived wife making a faux pas when she doesn't realise he was married before after the wedding. Consider yourself birched buddy..... but in a nice way, maybe with a happy finish! And the plastic surgery comment is indeed true, then they decided not to run with it as they didn't want to draw attention to the re-casting. Then they left that line in as a sop to the audience.... who hated it anyway. The Bond movies have always been a big continuation anomoly.
Thank you by Badger999	Nov 17th, 2006 08:42:40 AM
Thank you for writing a real review and not telling us about the drive to the theater. ;-) This is really the first good Harry review in a long time.
Bond-inuity by Samson_K	Nov 17th, 2006 08:43:31 AM
Yeah - I think that to even try to make any sense of it whatsoever will just give you a headache. He is the same agent no matter who plays him within the Eon series. I just think that it has been such a huge series - 21 films and been going for 44 years? It's kind of like trying to fit all that ectors who played Tarzan into one continuity. I personally find it best to just almost regard them as different takes - each actor has almost been a reboot (apart from Lazenby). Moore was never comfortable trying to do the Connery stuff, the DVD of Living Daylights that shows Dalton in a very Moore style joke (a flying carpet that out cringes the Tarzan call in Octopussy) shows that he could never have done overly camp and Brosnan rebooted it into a hybrid of Moore and Connery. This time they've kind of made it official.
Saw this in a sneak preview last night... by Lucasblows	Nov 17th, 2006 08:51:27 AM
...fucking awesome. Can't wait to go again tonight.
Saw this in a sneak preview last night... by Lucasblows	Nov 17th, 2006 08:51:49 AM
...fucking awesome. Can't wait to go again tonight.
Saw this in a sneak preview last night... by Lucasblows	Nov 17th, 2006 08:52:15 AM
...fucking awesome. Can't wait to go again tonight.
Eh by Chilli815	Nov 17th, 2006 08:56:50 AM
I go with the alternate universe of Bond's theory. Each one is a Bond, but they all exist within an alternate universe featuring similar characters. So this M is different to the Brosnan M, and if they wanted to they could have Jaws played by The Great Khali (huge, HUGE in size wrestler). Great review Harry, though Honestly... is that car bouncing scene as bad as the trailers make out?
Re: bob muttonchops by CarolinaProjectionist2005	Nov 17th, 2006 09:03:48 AM
Bob, I don't know for sure about who Judi Dench is playing either, but I have always thought of it this way: since Bond never ages from film to film, I have always thought of it as more of a role that an agent steps in to. Like, there isn't a "james bond"...that's just a name that is assigned to the number 007. After a "james bond" has been killed or retires, then an agent is elevated to 00 status, and if he takes the number 007, he becomes "james bond". I have no proof of this, and having not seen the new flick, don't know if it blows my little therory to hell, but that is the logic I've used for myself through roger moore, timothy dalton and brosnan. and since we've been through 2 Q's, 2 M's and the films have been running since 1962, unless james is immortal, this is the only thing that makes sense IMHO.
"First 007 movie with a cliffhanger" by Osmosis Jones	Nov 17th, 2006 09:11:34 AM
OHMSS kind of counts as a cliffhanger (which was resolved in the stinky DAF).
Continuity by R0BTRAIN	Nov 17th, 2006 09:18:24 AM
Look, Bond gets married at the end of OHMSS and then his marriage is mentioned over several Bonds including the Spy Who Loved Me, For Your Eyes Only (where Moore is actually at her grave) and in License to Kill. If it wasn't the same person, why the fuck would Moore's Bond be at the fucking grave? Also in OHMSS, Lazenby's Bond is in one scene sitting there with props, reminiscing about the other movies. He looks at each item lovingly, as if he had been there!
NachoNegro by biggles2_22	Nov 17th, 2006 09:19:11 AM
Hey, glad it was so memorable! Nothing random about it. The Dalton movies sucked the pale beyond. Oh, wait, I just figured this out, you're 7 or 8 years old!! Hey there big fella! Does mommy and daddy know you're on the internet? POP QUIZ: Which Three's Company actor appeared in License To Kill? What recurring Love Boat actor also appeared in the same movie? Answer those questions and then tell me that LTK wasn't a waste of film. Search your heart, Nacho, you know it to be true. While Dalton is not a bad actor, he sucked as Bond.
what, no masturbation or vagina references? by TheBaxter	Nov 17th, 2006 09:21:01 AM
then who wrote this review, because it certainly couldn't have been harry
CarolinaProjectionist2005 - GET HIM !!!! by Dude_gimme_tabs	Nov 17th, 2006 09:24:05 AM
Commence birching ! Birch with extreme prejudice !!!! Birch him until he cannot be birched anymore !!!!!!!!!!
Kasparov by Mutant Leader	Nov 17th, 2006 09:46:49 AM
You know who Daniel Craig reminds me of? Kasparov,the chess champion seen in the first half hour of FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE. I did a comparison last night and the resememblance DOES seem very striking; were the producers intentionally trying to evoke the creepy Soviet chess player rather than a previous Bond? I think so. (BTW, I throw down with Nacho Negro w/r/g continuity; this is the fantasy world of the movies. M can be anyone you WANT her to be; Densch-and Bond-are back because we all like them. :-)
I'm gonna help you! by Captain Katanga	Nov 17th, 2006 09:49:19 AM
I've got his legs... Pin his arms down! now someone else... BIRCH HIM!!!!!!!
I hate it when people say this, but... I told you so. by brokentusk	Nov 17th, 2006 10:02:45 AM
Yes, that's right - it's all about me. Nah, a lot of other people felt this way as well so I'm just so glad that Craig nailed it like I knew he would.
CASINO ROYALE SUCKS!!! by HOLLY_TRUTH	Nov 17th, 2006 10:15:55 AM
My comments about Craig`s performance... :(
Is Roger Moore Gay? by BobParr	Nov 17th, 2006 10:17:02 AM
I always assumed he was but never quite sure. He was the worst Bond compared to the character in the books. Bond is a violent bad-ass. Roger Moore played him as a wise cracking "dandy". Even though Roger Moore was a very big guy he was never intimidating and his fight scenes were laughable.
Is Roger Moore Gay? by BobParr	Nov 17th, 2006 10:17:03 AM
I always assumed he was but never quite sure. He was the worst Bond compared to the character in the books. Bond is a violent bad-ass. Roger Moore played him as a wise cracking "dandy". Even though Roger Moore was a very big guy he was never intimidating and his fight scenes were laughable.
But Poker? by jazzbox2	Nov 17th, 2006 10:18:47 AM
C'mon, guys. James Bond playing Texas Hold 'Em? Does he do a beer bong, too? I guess it's not too bad if they get everything else right...
Itchy Balls by Dude_gimme_tabs	Nov 17th, 2006 10:23:08 AM
"Whatever happens to me, everyone will know that you died scratching my balls!"
jazzbox sucks by supermarch	Nov 17th, 2006 10:23:16 AM
I've seen people drop 7 figures playing Texas Hold'em. It's one of the few casino games that gets stakes high enough to matter in a James Bond movie. Call it a reflection of the times. You and your virgin buddies play a much more....um...pussified version. Try watching a real poker game and come back when your balls drop. Casino Royale is the best movie of 2006.
Daniel Craig as Roland Deschain by Virtual Satyr	Nov 17th, 2006 10:33:25 AM
Make it happen..now.
HARRY! OHMSS not a flop by Tai_Pan	Nov 17th, 2006 10:42:09 AM
It was made for 7mil and made 87mil worldwide, and was the 2nd highest grossing film of 1969. True, it made $24mil less than YOLT, but still, OHMSS was not a flop.
Continuity by Boromir187	Nov 17th, 2006 10:48:37 AM
It's really simple. Casino Royale is a complete reboot of the franchise ala Batman Begins. It has nothing to do with the previous 20 films (and yes, all the Bonds in those films are the same character). For better or worse, that franchise itself is over and we are starting a new one. It's just like how Batman Begins is not apart of the Burton/Schumacher Batman films. That said, it is rather confusing both to fans and to the general populace that Judi Dench is back as M. While I have enjoyed her in the role so far, they really should have recast that role as well and had a complete fresh start. Anyway, once more, this really isn't the 21st James Bond film. Instead it is basically the first in a new Bond series. Thankfully Wilson & Broccoli have some sense and have stated that they definitely WILL NOT remake any of the previous films. Instead the installments in this new series that follow Casino Royale will be original films crafted with a more concrete continuity between them.
A good review from Harry, too? by ookla the mok	Nov 17th, 2006 11:09:12 AM
I can't take it. First, Vern returns from the dead, promptly dispatches the Ersatz Vern that tried to take his place, and delivers a great return to form review. Now Harry gives a good review with no obscene sexual references (and for a Bond flick, even). Crazy, man, crazy.
All the film trailers... by idahomer	Nov 17th, 2006 11:17:40 AM
of the Bond franchise. Pretty cool. http://tinyurl.com/y4oe5o
enough with the "continuity" by BizarroJerry	Nov 17th, 2006 11:21:34 AM
Can't everyone let it go and just watch the flick? Despite the few references to JB's wife and a look back at previous missions (OHMSS and one of the Brosnan ones, too, I think) there's never really been that much interest placed on continuity by the producers.
how about "Q"? by BizarroJerry	Nov 17th, 2006 11:22:05 AM
Now, I know there's barely and gadgetry in this flick and Q doesn't appear (right?), but I hope we do see him in future installments. I liked Cleese taking that role, but I would guess they may replace him. While the previous films became too dependent on Q's gadgets, we still need some cool ones from time to time. And a little comic relief from Q is always welcome.
Bond Floats by donuts	Nov 17th, 2006 11:42:31 AM
http://www.theweeklydonut.org/ index.php/category/007/
Casino Royale is NOT a reboot: by Novaman5000	Nov 17th, 2006 11:44:47 AM
Look at how they're marketing the fucking film: "Come see how it all began" and "Come see how Bond became 007". This is an origin story, not a reboot. I saw it a couple of weeks ago and really enjoyed it. For the first time ever I'm actually looking foward to the next Bond movie.
So, is the wedding off then? by Kentucky Colonel	Nov 17th, 2006 11:47:24 AM
Where's Yoko and what's her opinion? Was this her first Bond movie? Was there too much or not enough butter on the popcorn? Who gives a rat's about the movie, Harry, we want to know how you FEEL....Ebert can tell me about the movie, but I dare him to inject his "Brown Sugar" into the mix...knowhutImean?
Spielberg by Tenenbaum	Nov 17th, 2006 12:13:14 PM
Hasn't he expressed an interest in directing a Bond film?
supermarch - a note about Poker by NachoNegro	Nov 17th, 2006 12:28:31 PM
Dude I can assure you I have / do played poker at a reasonable level - higher than you would have done. And it is certainly a game where the best man wins - over time. However, as a exercise in financing terrorism it leaves much to be desired. The swings are too great. And don't talk to me about 'cheating' - if you really believe much cheating goes on at the levels you're talking about, you're kidding yourself. There are much easier ways to finance terrorism than playing poker. But that said, I have plenty of disbelief suspension ability, so it won't get in the way of the film for me :)
Bondinuity - the truth by NachoNegro	Nov 17th, 2006 12:35:28 PM
Here's something you guys haven't thought about. The actual secret behind the Bond Continity is this - Pierce Brosnan is Daniel Craigs Dad. It's that simple. He has handed over the reins to his son, and buggered off to Hawaii. Timothy Dalton was Brosnans Dad. Moore was Daltons Dad. Etc. This explains everything in the continuity. When Moore was visiting Tracys grave, he wasn't visiting his wifes grave - it was his MOTHER. With one fell swoop, all bond continuity issues become moot. Now the real question is, Are the Moneypennys similarly related? i.e. Samantha Bond is Lois Maxwells grand-daughter? And as for Judi Dench (grand-daughter of the original M), she has simply seen Pierce retire, and now his son takes over. And just as she drank deeply from Pierces man-cup, so she shall from Craigs. It is merely a matter of time.
Anchorite... by Kentucky Colonel	Nov 17th, 2006 12:57:01 PM
Extra butter for YOUR popcorn!!!
Caught the midnight screening and it was GREAT..! by workshed	Nov 17th, 2006 01:02:57 PM
Now they should do all the books again in sequence (except Live and Let Die which is, to be frank, racist rubbish). Daniel Craig finally erased the (bad) memories of Moore, Dalton and Brosnan in one fell swoop. The stunts alone were definitely worth £5 of anybody's money. The chase sequence in Madagascar was as good as Hackman's in French Connection I. What a return to form and CRAIG IS BOND. Forever.
wow...you guys who saw early screening.... by the_shogun_gunslinger	Nov 17th, 2006 01:27:48 PM
REALLY need to cut back on the spoiler posts...fuck man, i guess i DONT have to see this today...thanks... and one last thing, and this goes for Harry too...i know Battl Royale is a great movie...i love it and i want to father its children...however, we must NEVER speak of it again no matter how much we want to...look at The THING, being remade...if we keep talking about BR they are gonna do the same to it...so plz, keep it down...nothing is sacred to those fuckers. ps. good review Harry..but did u buy orbit gum on the way there? ;P j/k
OHMSS - Not a Flop by Fearsme	Nov 17th, 2006 01:39:38 PM
Yes, it was hardly a flop. In fact, Lazenbee (sp?) was asked to return for the next film, but he turned it down, citing that people advised him to not do another Bond or he would be type cast for the rest of his career.
get a life, workshed by mrbong	Nov 17th, 2006 01:39:40 PM
Live and Let Die "racist rubbish", is it? only if you sit and watch it to nitpick away at political correctness. are you saying no black man can ever be the bad guy in a film or story, are you? and that's not racist in itself, is it? just fucking enjoy a film or story for the entertainment value and don't put your own political problems into everything, dickhead.
My favorite Bond is... by DoctorWho?	Nov 17th, 2006 02:11:36 PM
For Your Eyes Only...the best Roger Moore one. I have to laugh at the scene on the ice rink trying to run James down with a Zamboni! Those things are SO deadly.
Look.... by emeraldboy	Nov 17th, 2006 02:17:37 PM
The fact is this the only people were responsible for the decline in the Bond franchise were not the actors, not the directors(who were all hired) but EON! the fact remains that bond became a relic of the cold war which was stated in one of the Brosnan films M says I have never liked you 007, you are a sexist misogynist dinosaur. a relic of the cold war. With the cold war over Bond became a relic of a by gone era. This was quite obvious by Die another Day. M says the world has changed and Bond retorts well I havent changed. Eon failed to take account of the fact the spy genre was now very crowded, jack bauer, spooks, Jason Bourne, alias and Mission impossible have all attempted to take 007s crown. But Eon ignored all them and contiuned to make bond a relic and iam shocked it has taken this long to back to basics.
Casino Royale IS a reboot.... by SWR 77	Nov 17th, 2006 02:21:11 PM
This film may be getting promoted as a prequel to the general public, but the official movie site proves otherwise. Craig's Bond was born in 1968 and there's a timeline of his career in the 1990s and 2000s prior to becoming 007. I kind of like the idea of Bond being an alias attached to that number but that clearly isn't the case.
I asked Garth Franklin about getting qt by emeraldboy	Nov 17th, 2006 02:23:41 PM
to direct bond and he thought the idea was nothing short of an abomination!!!!!!
Bond is a creation of another time and by emeraldboy	Nov 17th, 2006 02:44:02 PM
another era. There are now things which are utterly unacceptable like the voodoo scenes in live and let Die with Snakes etc. Bond was sexist because of the times.
Favorite Bond film by WickedMonster	Nov 17th, 2006 02:49:35 PM
YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE. I loved that movie, for some reason. It was so cool with the gadget and stuff. First Bond Film: MOONRAKER. Didnt know what the deal was with the guy who had golden teeth. Kick-ass bond film in my opinion: THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN!!! Don't mess with the golden gun.
Timothy Dalton's BEST role... by DoctorWho?	Nov 17th, 2006 03:02:25 PM
Prince Baron in Flash Gordon! "lying bitch!"
This ain't your father's Bond...oh wait, yeah it is. by Shermdawg	Nov 17th, 2006 03:02:37 PM
I'm a bit torn on this one. I like the film, well, a good portion of it, but for someone who was raised on Dalton and Pierce, I miss the high tech escapism of the previous installments. But Casino Royale hands them their asses when it comes to dialogue...buuuttt...you won't be quoting this, like you could Goldeneye. Craig is surprisingly good in the role, although, he is still one of the ugliest mofo's I've seen. Seriously, does he have a sweet tooth for Lemonheads? Hmm, come to think of it, maybe I should have said "mopo" (Mother Pucker). Despite his looks, he'll do fine. They aren't gonna ditch him. But what they will ditch is the tone of the film. Given the next films summer release date, and the fact that Royale most likely WILL NOT play well with the younger crowd and Activision ( current holders of the Bond videogame license), I'd imagine the next will bring back a little of that escapism, but retain the awesome writing of this one. They'll have to compromise a little to ensure it's a hit across the boards. What ticked me off about Royale is that it was supposedly a realistic Bond flick, or less hokey, yet the very first action scene has Bond and the guy he's pusuing jumping around like The Morlocks from X3. I was a little unbelievable. I mean c'mon when the scarred guy runs up the side of that beam, it screamed wire work. I would have cut that shot in a heartbeat. And the fact that they even climbed up on top of a freakin' crane was a bit much. Most of that action scene doesn't mesh all that well with the rest of the film. Even Bauer wouldn't do the crane, and he's king of unbelievability. When that particular chase ends, if this was a videogame, it would have been blasted for unoriginality due to one well placed barrell. ;) It was hella cool end though! The one line of the film I thought would get a big reaction, was Jame's shaken or stirred answer, but no one in the audience made a sound. Darn it. Now, I said I liked a good portion of this thing, what I didn't dig was the reveal of who was behind the whole shebang. Or should I say, the reveal, of the reveal, of the reveal, of the reveal. It's great they are moving away from the tired as hell world domination plot, but christ, this finish seemed just as" been there, done that". There's gotta be some clever endings for these flicks, that have yet to be tried. And this certainly wasn't one of those. I mean, c'mon, if you didn't see the ending coming from a mile away when Bond turned in his resignation, if not before, then you need to school yourself in some cinema. But, no matter how much I didn't like the last half hour or so of the film (other than that last haunting gasp) it was NOWHERE near as bad as that fucking terrible Chris Cornell title theme. Honest to god, it was bad. Not Madonna bad, but it was pretty craptastic. As well as the idea that Bond would actually drive a frickin' Ford. lol. All in all, this film is worthy of me to keep wearing my trusty 007 ballcap, and I'll be looking forward to James Bond's return. I just hope Craig can turn that pucker into a smirk by then.
Is there anyone who saw this... by The Dum Guy	Nov 17th, 2006 03:16:53 PM
That doesn't like it. My expectations are getting pretty high on this one, and I only want one "bad" review to try and counteract it (expectations).
oh. I get it. by omarthesnake	Nov 17th, 2006 03:27:18 PM
you're comparing the name of this movie with Battle Royale, as if this'n didn't have the "Royale" title decades before that other movie. Ha. ha. that's funny. you're a funny man. ha.
Was thinking about giving this a miss but what the hey. by Reelheed	Nov 17th, 2006 03:37:35 PM
Can't be as bad as Crank...
i know all you younguns love moore, dalton, brozza by Exeter	Nov 17th, 2006 04:29:15 PM
my perosonal favorite is connery, i grew up with his films more than any other bond, i remember watching dr. no at 12 years old and loving it over any of the 70s/80s shit, but now you guys finally have a respectable bond to live with , craig.
for those that think this isn't a reboot: by Ky-El	Nov 17th, 2006 04:56:09 PM
You're an idiot. Batman Begins was marketed the same way and it wasn't an "origin" tale. We know this because Joker is in the second one. This is a new start to the franchise. All subsequent Bond films will be in the Craig-verse.
wow, harry gave a straightforward review & and CR owned by Exeter	Nov 17th, 2006 05:06:46 PM
no talking about waking up and doing the james bond dance, just a pure tight review, and the new bond movie is the best bond movie since 1969's On Her Majesty's Secret Service, the world's going topsy turvy!!!!
Did I see the same film? by superstar	Nov 17th, 2006 05:48:29 PM
I'm kinda puzzled by all these glowing opinions. A lot of it was good, granted. But my oh my, some of the dialogue was awfully clunky and forced. The parkour was done well, and Campbell handled the action pretty nicely throughout, but it's so done to death by now that it only dragged me back into 2006, further confusing me as to WHEN this story was taking place. The gambling scenes had a horrible commentary for us non-gamblers and dragged to the point that i had to wake my friend up when we got to last act. I was mildly entertained, but not blown away. None of the action sequences took my breath away. But, I did like seeing Bond react to the aftermath of a kill, etc. And the girl was a cool character. The title sequence stuck out like a sore thumb too - too slick and CGI for a supposedly 'grittier' Bond. Meh.
continuity by soup74	Nov 17th, 2006 06:05:08 PM
the Bond movies use 'comic book' continuity. as in, say, peter parker has been around for over 40 years, and experienced many of the major events of the last 40 years but still has only aged about 5-10 years. this is comic book continuity. the bond movies never set out to follow time strictly, so you just have to have suspension of disbelief there. a bond 'period piece' would be lame.
Harry's reviews keep getting worse and worse... by wolvenom	Nov 17th, 2006 06:26:03 PM
this one just seems too short. Others are way too long. I dont buy his enthusiasm for this bond. He has lost his art for making a creative and enthusiastic review. And I rarely ever see him give a bad review. BOOOO HARRY!!! BOoooooooo
That Tarzan comment... by llac9	Nov 17th, 2006 06:38:42 PM
..."they’re not the Tarzan I dreamed of, while reading the books." That was pretty gay.
Did I say pretty gay? by llac9	Nov 17th, 2006 06:40:29 PM
I meant super gay.
just saw it by misnomer	Nov 17th, 2006 07:02:34 PM
and was pretty disappointed. I was open-minded, and looking forward to a realistic take on bond, but the thing is...it's not that well-written. Its more like watching the "serious" parts of the brosnan movies, with a less charismatic guy as bond and no fun scenes at all. I couldnt help thinking thoughout the whole film that "wow this guy can act, hes painted this really cool character....but hes in the wrong movie, its just not bond" Its a shame but I just couldnt think of craig as james bond no matter how hard I tried....ah welll its gonna take me awhile to get used to him I suppose.
and man am I sick of reading positive reviews for by misnomer	Nov 17th, 2006 07:05:28 PM
so-so films. Wow! Borat is the funniest movie ever!...turns out its not a patch on any sketch featured on the tv show. Wow! this is the best bond movie to date!- not a patch on goldeneye....Wow! King Kong GO SEE! an awful awful film. POTC2 just as fun if not better than the first!- a film that turned out to have absolutely no plot whatsoever......and it goes on and on....FUCK YOU CRITICS!
best bond since "for your eyes only" by reckni	Nov 17th, 2006 07:29:20 PM
liked it a lot, glad they dumped brosnan for craig, he hits it out the park. i want vesper, so yummy!
harry by McLuvin	Nov 17th, 2006 07:47:13 PM
i'm seeing the movie tonight, but i love that you mentioned he has a "panic expression" that he tries to hide. i remember seeing that beautifully in every indiana jones movie, when the camera would focus up close on harrison fords face and he'd give one of thos "oh shit" looks. priceless
oh wait by McLuvin	Nov 17th, 2006 07:49:25 PM
i thought that it was bond that does that expression, not the shariife guy
let's just forget DAF-DAD ever happened by Exeter	Nov 17th, 2006 08:04:23 PM
let's clean the slate on the period between 1971-2002. stinky shit
Does anyone remember what a really "good" action movie by Rollo Tomasi666	Nov 17th, 2006 09:34:18 PM
I am so tired or reading these glowing reviews for so-so action movies. MI3 better than True Lies? Casion Royale best bond ever? Come on folks. Went and saw this at the 12:01 am show at the Chinese in Hollywood last night and while I liked the idea and approach - and I liked Craig quite a bit - there are some huge holes and problems with the story - script. We keep finding ourselves in action sequeces where we don't know what the hell is going on or what the point of the chase is. Just excuses for set pieces. The whole airport scene? What? Bond follows a guy from the Bahamas to Miami who drops off a uniform? Why was someone wanting to blow up the new plane? Wouldn't you want people on the plane if you were a terrorist? Or maybe he was working for Boeing and just didn't like Airbus. I can't get through security with nail clippers but we can have a 10 minute car chase out on the runway? And why are we playing hold'em in Casino Royale anyway? Trying to get some money from the bad guy? Why not just grab him and sieze his funds? Anyway, I know we aren't supposed to think about this stuff, but there were some really big holes here and some awful dialogue. And I hate to tell all of you - even though I really liked Craig and what he did, all kinds of people (real people, not just Bond fans) were walking out saying, "Well he sure wan't James Bond." It will be interesting to see what happens with the box office after this weekend (which is bought and paid for - just turn on the TV). Oh yeah...And NO GIRLS IN THE TITLE SEQUENCE? Even all the women in the theater were talking about that. Some very odd choices.
After the "Balls" Line... by AngelCordy	Nov 17th, 2006 10:39:55 PM
My whole theater stood up and applauded. It was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Definitely one of the best movies of the year, though POTC2 was my fave. Madagascar scene was brilliant. Cheers to all involved. Oh, and I want Daniel Craig to father my children.
BOND by Turd Furgeson	Nov 17th, 2006 10:49:59 PM
I really liked this film..... AS A BOND FILM!!!! If this were a BORNE movie it would have sucked ass.... This was by far the best Bond movie I have ever seen......... HOWEVER, it was flawed. Not Daniel Craig, he IS AMAZING in this... He is what I imagined Bond to be, but the movie overall, B+... Didn't like Eva Green and everyone else seemed like the usual Euro trash monkeys we're used to seeing.
The List! by Tai_Pan	Nov 17th, 2006 10:50:03 PM
My list anyways: (In order, best to least) The Greats: OHMSS, TLD, FRw/L, Goldeneye, Goldfinger, TSWLM, CR , The Goods: LTK, FYEO, Dr. No, L&LD, Octopussy The "Meh"s: DAD, DAF, YOLT, The Sucky: Thunderball, TWINE, AVTAK, TND, Moonraker, (and the worst Bond film ever...)TMWtGG. "Casino Royale" is damn good, and coulda been second only to OHMSS if only the last 30 minutes wasn't so disjointed and if the last scene of the movie wasn't so lackluster... oh well! Still great!!!
Oh yeah... by Tai_Pan	Nov 17th, 2006 10:53:47 PM
I thought the Bourne films were boring and gloomy trash. I'm sick of hearing people whining about Bond films not stacking up to the Bourne flicks... those 2 films are the ugly bastard grandchildren of the Bond flicks.
Regarding Spielberg.... by Dasher	Nov 17th, 2006 10:59:54 PM
Spielberg has long been a Bond fan and has approached the Broccoli family on several occasions wanting to direct. However, he has always been turned down because the Broccolis want British directors for the Bond films. I don't understand why that rule has to be enforced so strictly, but they're in charge and that's the rule.
Rollo Tomasi666 by CTU Mole	Nov 17th, 2006 11:00:49 PM
All of your questions are answered in the film. It's not their fault if you weren't paying attention.
Harold, come on, man! by Zarles	Nov 17th, 2006 11:47:23 PM
The geekiest moment in a Bond movie in years happens and you don't even mention it? Jeffrey Wright as Felix Lighter getting a kick-ass reveal and a hilarious punchline to boot? You're slipping, my friend. ;)
Saw it tonight... by Tenenbaum	Nov 18th, 2006 12:02:21 AM
Good but not great.
damn you Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Nov 18th, 2006 12:30:25 AM
Damn you Michael Bay
True Lies vs. M:I 3 by BillEmic	Nov 18th, 2006 12:37:54 AM
I've never seen anybody say that Mission: Impossible 3 was better than True Lies. I don't think that kind of comment would hold up. MI3 was actually quite good (except for the weak ending) but nothing beats Ah-nold taking down terrorist trash. True Lies - minus all the comedic melodrama during the second act - is practically a cathartic experience post-9/11. Anyway, people are praising Casino Royale as a great action movie because it is, in fact, a great action movie. The opening chase sequence shows that Hollywood execs have seen Ong-Bak and have taken notes.
CTU Mole - no...those questions weren't answered- by Rollo Tomasi666	Nov 18th, 2006 12:48:44 AM
-just glossed over or with a VERY weak reason. Trust me I saw and "got" everything there....There just wasn't much to get.
It’s a pity Dan will probably only do 2 more Bond films by TJ50	Nov 18th, 2006 01:08:25 AM
The big problem with these fucking films is still the tight fisted control freak producers, as Mr. Craig has signed on for only 2 more 007 films and will understandably want more money (as Mr. Brosnan also did, hence the reason he was dumped after his 4 film contract ended) to sign up for another 3 more. Unfortunately Barbara and Michael won't want to oblige, as they refuse to offer Bond actors profit participation and want it all for themselves, therefore instead of signing Craig for 3 more films, in 5 or 6 years, they'll be looking for another new actor.
it's best movie of the year by McLuvin	Nov 18th, 2006 01:43:00 AM
hands down, best movie of the year. the action was unreal. daniel craig owns the role, and any talkbacker who doesn't like the movie can suck my balls.
Review nailed it too. by WONKABAR	Nov 18th, 2006 04:14:35 AM
I totally loved the "duel" with the parkor-master...great contrast. I dig when action scenes tell a story, and you actually get character developement beyond the usual chasing and fighting. Great stuff...cool movie. My only wish was for just one more action scene at like the ones in the beginning (the stuff in Venice was a bit run-of-the-mill)...just to balance the movie out after such a great opening and all that poker (which was also great in it's own way, with an exciting bit in the middle) but maybe it was good in that it left you wanting more. Can't wait.
And yeah... by WONKABAR	Nov 18th, 2006 04:38:37 AM
They should have recast Dench. I liked that she played it differently though...it's was almost as though it WAS recast, and I liked her work, but, it would be akin to Nolan bringing back the old Alfred just cuz he liked the actor...it wouldn't have made sense. They should have just had Dench be a different character that's above M and then introduced us to M in the next flick along with Q or something. That would have been a better way of keeping her if they wanted that bad. I mean, they could have at least had her LOOK different in this movie. But, oh well...live and let die I guess.
Spielberg & Bond directors by jabbathegriffin	Nov 18th, 2006 05:01:30 AM
Spielberg wouldn't be right for Bond. He's too personal a filmmaker and his own choices would get in the way of the bigger picture. Same with Quentin Tarantino and Peter Jackson who are also die-hard Bond freaks with aspirations to make one of their own. The whole reason the movies are successful is because of a certain style that has transferred from film to film, be it good or bad, and the directors should remain objective about. And even as Casino Royale shook everything up, it still held on to all the things that make a great Bond film without trying to reinvent the wheel. I can think of dozens of directors better then Martin Campbell, but I'd chose him over any of them when it comes to 007.
Let me explain the non american director rule by emeraldboy	Nov 18th, 2006 06:07:28 AM
It is to do British govt for tax pruposes. Eon has an exclusive deal to make Bond in Britain and has done so for 45 years. That means with the exception of Felix leighter and the backing of MGM there are no americans bar the brocolli family involved in the production side of bond movies. british cast including bond, british crews, british locales which are turned into foreign destinations, that is what is so great about pinewood, you may think you are looking at Venice but that was actually venice re-built on the sound stage. The scene in Miami airport wasnt shot in Miami at all but in a disused airfield. but i could be wrong. There are some foreign locales used for exterior shots like Prague but all the interiors are done in the UK.
Never thought I'd say this but.... by Buck_Turgidson	Nov 18th, 2006 06:07:55 AM
Excellent review, Harry
TJ50 by emeraldboy	Nov 18th, 2006 06:18:24 AM
They cannot let the brosnan thing ever happen again. so with the casting of Craig they have set down a marker/warning. two years as bond and your done. next. move on. Brosnan got to big for his boots so they dumped him.
Question for Harry, Mori and co by TheDarkKnight999	Nov 18th, 2006 08:14:52 AM
I’m just interested in hearing what you guys thought of Dalton. He really worked hard on delivering something that Craig has been given the opportunity in doing in Casino Royale. Not downsizing Craig’s accomplishment at all. But I felt Dalton really had that Idea of getting back to Fleming and mixing it up with the more successful parts of the Bond film formula. And for the most part he succeeded its just he had fairly routine scripts to work with stylistically. So unfortunately his work is kind of stomped on in popular opinion which I think is a shame. So what do you guys and indeed the other Talk backers think of Bond number 4 ?
Re dalton by emeraldboy	Nov 18th, 2006 09:10:53 AM
I thought Dalton was too stiff and far to serious to be Bond. I dont mean that he was wooden in any way when I use the word Stiff, I just mean that he seemed uncomfortable in the role and that he would rather be doing shakespeare. By relocating the whole thing to florida, Eon damaged the franchise. it had running out of steam anyway. Bond is British and licence to Kill made bond too american.
Bond is Back!!!! by punisher5150	Nov 18th, 2006 09:12:47 AM
I've read many of the books, both Fleming and non-Fleming. I took the literature Bond as a different take on the character, as the filmakers never truly "got" James Bond. But I still enjoyed them in their own right. But that has all changed with Casino Royale. I was a bit upset when they changed the card game to Texas hold'em instead of Baccarat, but it worked in this film. The book dedicated several pages to explaining the Baccarat game, and I can see why the filmakers did't want to drag out the movie by having to similarly explain it to a lergley American audience. Plus, do they even still play that game at Casinos???? Anyway, this Bond is the Bond from Flemings novels. The only thing he's missing is the scar down the side of his face. And hair color. But I can live without those traits. Craig has nailed this character. Can't wait to see him as Bond in the next couple of films. I hope they keep the realism and don't resort to the campy Bond of Connery's latter films, all of Moore's films, and Brosnan's films. Pierce made a great amalgam of Connery/Moore, but the filmmakers only used that on the first and third of his series. the other two went too far into Moore territory for me (I still enjoyed them, but not on the same level). As for Dalton, good try on his first, but still too much Moore influence. Lazenby could have been good, as his was the closest to Fleming's story of the same title. But box office failure killed his chances. Here's to a new era of Bond. Go see it. If you like the literal Bond, I think you'll love this movie.
Clarification by punisher5150	Nov 18th, 2006 09:14:57 AM
First two lines of my post should read... I've read many of the books, both Fleming and non-Fleming. I took the literature Bond as a different take on the character, as the filmakers never truly "got" James Bond. But I still enjoyed the films in their own right...
As for the car chase where Bond flips the DB5 by punisher5150	Nov 18th, 2006 09:17:12 AM
It seemed that they used different camera angles than the trailer. That scene was clearly CGI in the trailer. The scene in the film shows the flip from the back of the car and not an overhead camera shot. It looks much more realistic.
For Spielberg, Tarantino, and Jackson..... by Dasher	Nov 18th, 2006 09:17:35 AM
I think the only way they could do a Bond film is if there was another remake of Thunderball. Kevin McClory owns the rights to that one, so he can do with it as he pleases. I liked Never Say Never Again, but I'll admit that it's kind of cheesy. Why not a new version of Thunderball starring Brosnan and directed by Spielberg, Tarantino, or Jackson?
Kevin McClory was courting Sony for more Thunderball by punisher5150	Nov 18th, 2006 09:21:08 AM
remakes. Now that Sony owns MGM, I don't think they'd be interested anymore. I would like to see them remake some of the older movies, though. Particulary Dr No, From Russia..., and Thunderball. I'm very curious to see where they take Craig's Bond in the next film. Will it be completely new story, or will they adapt more of Fleming's stories? The film's have really only used titles of Fleming's stories for the latter films.
Nah. by Zarles	Nov 18th, 2006 09:22:02 AM
If there's a Bond actor that needs to be directed by Quentin, it's Daniel Craig. I loved Casino Royale, but I thought that the very few loose ends it had could've been resolved with a slightly more coherent director. I'm not slagging the director or CR at all, but Tarantino would've made that movie a masterpiece.
I GIVE MY LIIIFFEEE! NOT FOR HONOR, BUT FOR YOOOUUU... by Johnno	Nov 18th, 2006 10:49:52 AM
SNAAAAKE EATEEERRR! Anyway, Love the new Bond, and I totally dig those opening credits!
Richard Branson by hairyproductions	Nov 18th, 2006 10:51:51 AM
Did anyone else see Richard Branson, the guy who owns the Virgin brand, in this movie, when they are in the airport and the guy is going through the metal detector, Richard Branson is standing on the other side.
Yeah, Eva Green's Gorgeous, ZombieSolutions... by Jackson Healy	Nov 18th, 2006 11:05:38 AM
...but don't forget, Alessandra Ambrosio is also in the movie, and SHE'S the most beautiful woman on the planet.
Could Tarantino even make a PG-13 movie? by Westonian	Nov 18th, 2006 11:18:06 AM
Isn't that a requirement?
RolloThomas - here's why he wanted to blow up the Airbus... by Jackson Healy	Nov 18th, 2006 11:21:47 AM
...LeChiffre had shorted all his stock in this new airbus and was expecting the stock to drop the way airline stock dropped after 9'11 and Bin Laden and cronies got rich from shorting it (which I understand is an urban legend). When Bond saves the Airbus, LeChiffre loses $101 million, and has to win it all back in the highstakes card game he sets up. As for why MI-6 didn't just swoop in and take down LeChiffre - they wanted him to have nowhere else to turn after losing all his money and to willingly seek protection from them, so that he could be an informant on his terror network. Yeah, it's a stretch, but that's pretty much also how it is in the book, except MI-6 is hoping his own people will kill him if he doesn't win the money back. Why not just send in Bond, the "blunt instrument", to cap him off? Well, in the book he's just too damn protected to get near him. Plot hole? Pretty much, but ya just gotta roll with it.
Also, on Bond film action.... by Jackson Healy	Nov 18th, 2006 11:28:12 AM
Loved the movie myself, loved that Bond's a man of action and that the action's incredibly physical and so is Bond... but I still love the old Connery/Moore Bonds where he uses his wits and resourcefulness to beat the villains. The classic instance being when Bond eletrocutes Odd Job with the live wire when the henchman is pulling his hat out of the metal bars it's gotten lodged into. That's a man who uses his wits and knowledge to take down a more powerful opponent, and not simply a blunt instrument that out blunts the enemy.
first hour and 45 minutes was frickin amazing... by teddanson37	Nov 18th, 2006 11:35:49 AM
that last half hour killed it though. it was a great movie, but DOUBLE YOU TEA EFF??? I've never seen so much sappy romance in a bond film not interrupted by bullets and explosions. I know they had to set up the love story or whatever, but couldn't they have done that earlier in the film and given us an ending where lots of junk goes boom for a reason, rather than a one-cheek house falling in the water and bond crying like a little girl? wasn't there a better way to tell that part of the story? I'm watching the chase scene in madagascar and the airport scene thinking "if they're taking the excitement to this level now, I can't wait for the grand finale." and then the tension builds throughout the lengthy poker game and i'm thinking "holy crap, this is the best bond flick ever". the bond torture scene was intense, not to mention hilarious. and they built to this point, and i'm thinking the last half hour should be monkey sh!t crazy. but i was wrong. the main villain is killed in such a quick and meaningless way. it cheapened the character and completely underwhelmed me, the viewer, who was expecting some great payoff in this gritty complex villains death. then comes the sap. i'm down with Bond falling in love. I can handle it. But did we really need twenty minutes of build up and romance to believe that he really loved her? i have no problems with mushy chick flicks but the last half hour of a bond flick is not the place or time for a romantic tale. but it was good movie, i'm not saying it was not. it was in fact one of the best bond films. BUT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST. and further more it could have been the best if they would have split the mush up with a couple of explosions and chase scenes. love the movie. can't wait for the next one.
two more things by teddanson37	Nov 18th, 2006 11:46:47 AM
1. someone said the audience the saw it with didn't respond well to the film. not the case in the theater i was in last night. people were laughing and wincing and shocked at all the right places. 2. people who are whining about spoilers...what the f#ck are you doing on AICN anyway? If I don't want to be spoiled on a movie, I DON'T READ ABOUT IT BEFORE I SEE IT. That goes for AICN, news paper reviews, and even certain trailers and sneak peeks. you don't go to waffle house and complain about second hand smoke, you don't go to sports arenas and complain about commercialism and product placement, and you don't get on movie rumor sites and complain about spoilers. you know what fate awaits you if you read the talkbacks.
Holy product placement, eh?! by BronwynMaye	Nov 18th, 2006 12:25:58 PM
The product placement was quite distracting actually, but for some reason I now want to buy the Sony Ericsson K618.
Eva Green's phone by BillEmic	Nov 18th, 2006 01:05:43 PM
Speaking of product placement, what the hell was Eva Green's cell-phone? It looked like an iPod.
teddanson37 (spoilers herein) by drave117	Nov 18th, 2006 01:46:45 PM
I think you completely missed the point of the "sappy love story". At first, I felt as you did. Watching him declare what seemed to be perfectly honest feelings, he somehow seemed... just a little bit off. As the story finished unfolding, though, I realized that this was a deliberate choice. The ever-so-slightly frantic tone he speaks the words in, the nervousness of his eyes, like he isn't quite sure he believes what he is saying. I realized at the end that his feelings, although he was really feeling them, were not love; they were the last gasp of his humanity, as it tried to reach out and assert control one last time before being fully compartmentalized in order for him to do his job effectively. The truest moment in the movie is when he talks about getting out with whatever soul he has left, and his pleading eyes when he asks her "Is it enough?" He knows it isn't, and he knows he will never be able to really have what he is reaching out for in those moments, but he absolutely must reach out for it, and he must fail, so that he can put away that part of himself and go do his job. That is why the "love story" happened as it did, and why it felt so forced and cliche, and why it was so sudden.
the chase in the beginning by drave117	Nov 18th, 2006 01:50:52 PM
To whoever was complaining about how unrealistic the guy being chased was in the beginning, I am amused at the irony of this complaint. Search YouTube for videos of Sebastien Foucan or David Belle. The things these guys do are insane, but they are real. Why do you think Foucan gets a special credit in the beginning? "Free running stunts performed by" is there to let you know that he is the real deal. Watch his videos. He and his friend David Belle, the founders of the parkour movement, have done stuff MUCH crazier than anything seen in the film.
Bang on by blackpuppie	Nov 18th, 2006 02:23:47 PM
I grew up with Bond here in the UK ....but I always dismissed it as mere fantasy...I'm 36 now and last night I got the Bond for my years..Daniel Craig is set to take the crown; Cuts,bruises, car crashes, fuck ups, vomit, grainy footage, bruised bollocks. Bring on no.22
Nice Harry Animation by georges garvaren	Nov 18th, 2006 02:41:33 PM
Next, do one from "The Man From S.E.X"
Just saw it....simply incredible by Lago	Nov 18th, 2006 02:56:46 PM
Absolutely brillant. I could have watched it again immediately afterward. Best Bond flick since OHMSS for sure and better than 3 out of 5 of the original Connery flicks. Here's to hoping they keep with this formula. In fact, why not remake all of the original Fleming books, it's not like the films that were made after Fleming died were that faithful to the source material anyways.
Is anyone up for a resounding chorus of the... by Serenanna	Nov 18th, 2006 02:57:06 PM
'I told you so' symphony? Sorry, I have to say it, but I really did tell you so. When news broke about Daniel Craig and the first on-set pictures appeared, including those little blue swim trunks, I distinctly remember being one of the first fangirls in Talkback to jump on the blonde Bond’s bandwagon. I also said it was the eyes too, I knew it. After seeing the movie last night, I have to say it, I was so damned right! There is something very dirty to Craig’s Bond that the others, excluding early Connery, seemed to miss, and I love it! . . . Ahem, thank you. I’m going to go cackle to myself and plan world domination by rabid fangirls somewhere else now.
Aston Martin by Vi	Nov 18th, 2006 02:57:27 PM
Does Bond drive a Vanquish in this or what?
Aston Martin by drave117	Nov 18th, 2006 03:13:23 PM
I believe it's a new model, the DBS. Whatever it is, it is sexy as all get out. And I don't even like cars, but when I saw it, I said "Preeeeetty..."
As we all know by now Bond is back in cinemas by emeraldboy	Nov 18th, 2006 03:21:02 PM
And this bond is a streetfighting man, who rather uses his fists. This bond is not really the conversational type. Bond is much more rounded this time and is more vunerable, we literally see him being nakedly beaten while tied to chair. The action for the first 1:45 makes this a thrilling affair and the movie opens with short sharp bang and the action is unstaoppable from then onwards. It is only when movies shifts to Montenegro that things slow down and it pretty much stays like that for the rest untill the end and despite the best efforts of Martin Campbell who does an excellent job of maintaining the action for the first end up stalling the movie near the end., in the end the movie runs out of steam In the old days. Bond was a navy man ho rose to the admiral and then later became commander bond. This bond is more tech savy. Bond lived the high life and ate in the best hotels, knew fine wine and tonics backwards. They have compeletly despensed with that here and there is only restaurant scene in the entire movie. There is some wit or at least an attempt at wit. This is a modern bond movie, yet they have turned bond into a sneak, a house breaker and code breaker to boot. Bond was a sauve debonair man and now they have turned him into a loose cannon and someone who doesnt care either. This film didnt have the story pace to last nearly three hours. Craig is a good bond and eva green is the most beautiful thing i have seen at the movies in a long time as the actress who played solange. They should recast M immediately, Dench has turned herslf into the Ice queen. We can see where they are going with this story line and possibility of some terrorist organisation. Which to me sounded like 24 hrs. I could help thinking about Jason Bourne during this film for some reason. My friend who is bond expert, told me before the fil started when I asked him about brosnan, well brosnan did put the Bond franchise back on track financially after Daltons bond, Die another Day raked 430 million dollars world wide. We shall find out soon enough whether Daniel Craig has done enough to rescue the franchise and whether or not Barbara Brocolli gamble has paid off. For me at least It is a vast improvement on Die another Day. But that is all.
broccoli specifically stated they're not remaking by Exeter	Nov 18th, 2006 03:21:55 PM
any of the previous bonds. and i think that's for the best and brings legitimacy, weight, importance to the previous bonds and respect no matter how crappy some of them were. they could always do the stories they didn't actually get to but with different titles of course like You Only Live Twice, Diamonds are Forever, The Man w/ the Golden Gun, Moonraker are movies that had almost nothing save the title to do w/ the novels. Just give them new titles like YOLT could be called "Shatterhand" like the villain in the book etc. The Spy Who Loved Me novel won't be remade bbecause it was personal to Fleming and he asked them to only use the title for any future movies.
Er British Directors Dasher? by Mickey The Idiot	Nov 18th, 2006 03:50:07 PM
Er, neither Martin Campbell nor Lee Tamahori are British, they're both Kiwis and Roger Spottiswoode is a Canadian. Anyway, an utterly terrific movie. My only real concern is that having created the half-hit man, half monk Bond by the end, where do they go with the character in the next week. Still, dying to find out. Also nice to see the first Bond with an intact working-class edge since Connery.
and why did I type 'week' by Mickey The Idiot	Nov 18th, 2006 03:51:58 PM
and why did I type 'week' instead of 'one' in that last comment. Oh yes, IMPATIENCE. Get Craig indentured, one a year or we bring Mads and his rope back for real.
I had very high expectations by caltsoudas	Nov 18th, 2006 04:01:11 PM
I had very high expectations for this film... and it exceeded them! A brilliant return to the classic format of the early sixties Connery films. Particularly the old school narrative structure which is more episodic like the original ones and not the plot-driving American Hollywood garbage screenwriting madness that the Brosnan and Moore films followed (with the exception of Live and Let Die and The World Is Not Enough--which are really really good and underapreciated). Like Dr. No, From Russia with Love, and You Only Live Twice, this one had class written all over it. Craig really does channel Sean Connery vibes here and there yet ultimately makes it his own. The opening looked great in black and white and the theme sequence looked GORGEOUS! So original. I always hated the opening theme sequences from the Brosnan movies. They were overkill. All in all this wasn't some pathetic revamp attempt a la Batman Begins afterall (PHEW!) and instead is just a strong continuation of the franchise with a new lead that stays true to the traditions while simultaneously freshening them up. Now if only they coul get Emma Watson to play Money Penny... and ditch Q. That car moment was just...WOW. And when he said the line in the end everyone gave a long ovation. He's just perfect. Plus there was a lot of good witty sophisticated humour too, which I was delighted with. I was initially worried about that because some critics were saying that it was too serious, but they pulled it off well. Even the theme song grows on you because of how smoothly they orchestrate it into the film's score. BOND IS BACK!!!
2 1/2 hour Ford commercial... by Christopher3	Nov 18th, 2006 05:31:52 PM
But Craig's the shit.
Heh. by Zarles	Nov 18th, 2006 05:44:11 PM
Has anyone noticed that www.craignotbond.com is no longer operating? Is this a recent development, or has it been down for a while now?
Since Harry didn't mention him... by OBSD	Nov 18th, 2006 06:30:05 PM
Jeffrey Wright is the best Felix Leiter in this one! Yeah, he didn't have much screen time, but he rocked with what he was given. I hope they keep him on for a long time.
Once the new car smell wears off... by Batutta	Nov 18th, 2006 06:59:36 PM
...people will realize this film was mostly business as usual. There was much to admire -- Craig, some of the action, the torture scene, but all in all I was underwhelmed. Maybe it's a fault of the way this film is being sold, but I was expecting more of an origin story than we got. I was expecting more insight into the psychology of why Bond is Bond, like what Nolan did for Batman in Batman Begins. Next time I think they need to cast a better director, someone against type who can bring something new to the franchise, not a hack like Campbell who, try as he might, is not an innovator.
reason why LeChiffre acted SPECTREish BOND 22 SPOILER by Exeter	Nov 18th, 2006 08:08:48 PM
craig revealed in some interview about LeChiffre's organization, who is trying to destablize the world with their money in order to make even more money. He says we hopefully will find out in Bond 22 who the head of this organization is. Could it be SPECTRE after McClory and EON secretly made up and they can use the rights!?!?!?! HOLY SHITTTTT!!!!!!
Sick of people not getting it by EnglishmanAbroad	Nov 18th, 2006 08:09:31 PM
First of all as a long standing Bond fan; first of the books then of the movies; I am shocked at some of the nonsense in some of the talkbacks and reviews. First of all, Casino Royale was an amazing Bond movie. For too long people have been caught up with what a Bond movie should be instead of focusing on what Bond the character should be. In terms of the errors people make even the Guardian reviewer stated that Le Chiffre was winning the money to finance terrorism, which isnt correct. Am I the only one that realised that he had lost all his clients millions in a stock error and was winning the funds back? Mi6 was stopping him doing that to scare him into cooperating. So talkbacker " Rollo Tomasi666 " seizing his money wouldnt have done anything...there was no money to seize...that was the point. I suggest you go watch it again, and maybe dont talk on your cellphone all through the movie this time.
Defending Moore by EnglishmanAbroad	Nov 18th, 2006 08:11:37 PM
Without Moore there would be no franchise left. Do you think the cinema going public of the 70s would have watched a stuffy English spy in a tweed jacket sitting in gentlemens clubs playing baccarat? In a time of Blaxploitation and Magnum wielding cops Bond, and Moore, did what they had to do to survive.
Just read what Rollo Tomasi666 said by F69	Nov 18th, 2006 09:03:03 PM
about the construction site chase scene 'reeking of wirework'. Very funny, you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
From the people who brought you... by Aragorn II	Nov 18th, 2006 09:04:28 PM
..."Episode III makes me like Episodes I and II better," comes this little admission of mine. "Casino Royale" the movie actually makes me like that Chris Cornell song a lot more. Go figure!
DAMN YOU, FANDANGO!! by StarBlitzer	Nov 18th, 2006 09:11:32 PM
Damn, what a crowd! I bought my tix online, and still had to wait in the kiosk line to get them. Not a bad movie...then again, I did see it from the front row, fukitol. In other news, this is my fave Bond flick overall ... so good to see a hand-to-hand brawl to rival GoldenEye and a torture scene to rival Die Another Day. Sore bollocks for the win.
Never seen the original by StarBlitzer	Nov 18th, 2006 09:12:57 PM
What about this movie appeared in the first version, beside Vesper and ol' Shiffers?
Good review harry... by iKon	Nov 18th, 2006 09:48:44 PM
Now all you have to do is learn to write it without spoilers or so much whimsy, and you'll be half there. :)
Why did Vesper kill herself? by LonelyComic33	Nov 18th, 2006 11:04:31 PM
I think I went to take a leak at the wrong time during the movie. Why did she kill herself?
Rollo Tomasi666 = douchebag by WhoDis	Nov 18th, 2006 11:27:28 PM
This movie was fucking awesome.
Brilliant by Rainbow Cotton	Nov 19th, 2006 02:52:54 AM
I was really surprised by this. The last 3 movies were so bad I thought Bond was gone forever, but this is the best Bond movie in decades. I enjoyed Goldeneye for its examination of Bond's psychology and place in the modern world, and this movie studies those themes on a whole new level. Every scene in this movie shows how Bond becomes who he is, but it is all very subtle and organic. Vesper is the perfect girl for this movie, the perfect, delicate flower who takes Bond's heart, and through deception slowly turns him into the cold, calculating Bond we all know. Their last scene together was truly heartbreaking. God, please let them continue on this path. If they descend into lame camp action movies again I will be so pissed. Daniel Craig is way too good of an actor for that. I hope they at least get 3 more movies in this style, we need something to counterbalance the atrocious post-Goldeneye Brosnan ones. I don't get the critics on message boards. What was wrong with this movie exactly? I guess you could say it was long, but it didn't feel like it at all. My only complaint was the lack of dancing girls in the title sequence (which is rather minor all things considered ^_^). Overall this is a great return to form for the character and I hope they don't screw it up!!!!
I aasumed he owns SPECTRE and Blofeld characters by Exeter	Nov 19th, 2006 03:57:08 AM
and i'm also finally glad that Bond 22 will have an evil organization that ARCS over multiple films like SPECTRE (or if it is even SPECTRE itself in our wildest imagainations) unlike every mad industrialist coming alongn for each bond and dying at the end which got really just snooze-inducing, every Moore, Dalton, Brosnan movie had a new bad guy, i think if anythign we need a return of SPECTRE or some similar type organization, larger entity after we no longer have the shadow of the USSR looming over we need this 'dedicated fraternity of evil' and i cann't wait!
Snuffles - People loved Bond because by HardDetective	Nov 19th, 2006 04:55:16 AM
Who the fuck are you to say what everyone wants? According to what I am reading from 'everyone' they all love the new Bond. Why? Because he's cool. Maybe he's not your definition of cool, but the vast majority of us think he's cool. And you are a fucking asshole for trying to say that to like this Bond is to be brainwashed by Bush. Go fuck yourself. For someone who wants more class you sure don't have any.
Easily the BEST Bond. by performingmonkey	Nov 19th, 2006 07:15:51 AM
I enjoyed the mother fuck out of this. Brilliant stunts and hard-ass action. Actually turning Bond into a proper character, not to mention Vesper who was the best Bond girl since ever. All the scenes surrounding the poker game were phenomenal, and the tension built during the game worked so well. When I heard some people say this is the best Bond ever or at least the best since On Her Majesty's Secret Service, I thought 'fuck off, there's no way it could be' but upon seeing CR I KNOW it's the best. Craig IS Bond. The way they slowly built him into Bond was EXCELLENT. Fuck yes.
Reboot schmiboot by Anakin Whoopass	Nov 19th, 2006 07:46:35 AM
This is hardly the first reboot. Changing to a much younger or much different actor is equally a big deal. There are multiple Bond universes: Connery (which includes Lazenby filling in for him), Moore (who is too unique to be grouped with anyone else), Dalton-Brosnan (they're different but not so different they couldn't be interchanged), and now Craig.
Bad ass movie. Loved it. by Russman	Nov 19th, 2006 08:06:35 AM
This one was really cool. I loved how brutal it was. I knew he was going to do a kick ass job, "Layer Cake" anyone? Say what you want, Tomorrow Never Dies was cool too, esp. when Bond's motorcycle lands through the roof and you see the chick ridding some guy in the background. Giggity!
Connery Who? by SkiBum	Nov 19th, 2006 08:51:33 AM
Loved Sean Connery as Bond. He has just been replaced in my mind. Great movie.
I liked it a lot by BizarroJerry	Nov 19th, 2006 09:41:36 AM
But it did keep that long standing Bond movie tradition of being about 30 minutes too long. This flick almost has as many endings as The Return of the King.
Why no Q? by Thundercats73	Nov 19th, 2006 10:43:45 AM
I understand why Moneypenny isn't in the movie. Actually, the movie brings new meaning to the Bond/Moneypenny relationship. Why no Q? There were perfect oppertunities for Q to appear. Q should be younger than previous movies. He should be more like an older brother to Bond. I have a feeling the gadgets will be limited to things like bullet proof armored car with compartments for guns and medicine/poision control. Of course the car should still have GPS and homing beacon capabilities!
BRANDON COLEMAN!!! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 19th, 2006 11:21:53 AM
The oblivion of bannishment awaits you and your little film. Again.
every actor brings something different to bond by emeraldboy	Nov 19th, 2006 11:33:27 AM
Connery was a smooth ladies man who was rough around the edges. He was cool under pressure but the place that he made his mark was that his bond had a knowledge of fine wines and malts he loved poker and dining out. Which was something that fleming hated doing. Moore Brought the wit but unlike the other actors he had been preparing for bond all along he was the difinitive Simon Temple and he starred with Tony Curtis on tv in the Persuaders. Dalton was the serious bond and then there is Brosnan. Brosnans bond was a mixture of what went before he was cool, witty, debonair and of course he was a ladies man. apart from being a ladies man and being more technically proficient, this bond doesnt seem to have much of sense of humour and I think that is going to hurt this at box office. It is obvious to me that they are taking this this into a bauer territory. M cant stand bond anymore. IN 24 Bauer lost everything and no longer works for CTU, M says he got his letter of Resignation and says we will talk about that later and it is never mentioned again. Bauer becomes a loose cannon and I wonder will we see more of this in the next movie. This had the best action scenes of any bond that i have scene in years and i did note that his Craigs bond is quite Mafioso. People have a fixed idea about Bond and where he comes from so whether mass audience is ready for a street bond is open for debate.
here are your chinese students killing eachother harry by funnyhat	Nov 19th, 2006 12:21:38 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/ asiapcf/11/19/china.students.r eut/index.html
Top Ramen Phil - RE: "Yackbacker the tattletale..." by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 19th, 2006 12:22:16 PM
Yackbacker is being a "little bitch"?! You're the guy who has been asked REPEATEDLY to stop peddling your film on this site. You've even been told where you can post it = The Zone. AICN's Mods have asked you to do something within their rules. Why do you refuse to acquiesce? I'll tell you why. You're a little bitch. A little bitch who is going to be banned. Again.
Daniel craig looks like a monkey... by dundundles	Nov 19th, 2006 12:23:38 PM
in every close up shot. This may have been a good movie, but as a bond movie it sucked. Give me backmy tank chases, sub battles, and cheesy one liners.
FOOKING SWEET ASS MOVIE!!!! CRAIG IZ DA MAN!!! by alucardvsdracula	Nov 19th, 2006 01:14:21 PM
Enough of the cheap superlatives, the film is easily the greatest Bond movie for many decades. I'm more than satisfied with what that usually static work horse Martin Campbell has delivered, in fact I would comfortably place this amongst the all-time great Bond outings; 1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service, 2. From Russia with Love, and now Casino Royale. One thing though, did anybody else find the torture scene funny, as the audience I saw it with was in hysterics?
P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P. P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P.S by performingmonkey	Nov 19th, 2006 01:15:20 PM
Fuck you all.
Perfectly Formed Owls by bhu987us	Nov 19th, 2006 01:50:55 PM
Is it me or did I miss perfectly formed owls in this movie? Not a single nocturnal bird in one frame of the 144 minutes of the film. Was "Owls" code for something?
Remember by streakerfreak1983	Nov 19th, 2006 02:48:46 PM
Q and M are positions not people/characters. They can be played by any actor. I just wish they had some continuality anot have Dench. It could be anyone, but having Dench as Bonds first M just bothers me. No way around it. Oh and who ever said up there there have been two Q's and two M's is wrong. There were three M's. Lee, that other guy, and Dench and in a way there have been three Q's. While, the man playing Major Boothrod(sp?) is not called Q, he it's the same position, because when Desmond was in the position he was called Major Boothrod at times. So you can say there have been three Q's. Two diferent actors playing the same person(the first guy and Desmond) and Cleese being a totally different person being promted to the Q position. Oh and to everyone who keeps saying Cleese is "R" needs to go back and watch the last two. He is not R, that was just a joke.
do my eyes deceive me... by torpor_haze	Nov 19th, 2006 03:13:53 PM
or did I just see that fuckin' penguins beat Bond? Them tuxedo muthafuckas are at it again...oh wait..
YOUR CIVIC DUTY AS A BOND FAN!! by Tai_Pan	Nov 19th, 2006 03:34:31 PM
What the fuck, people? Are we gonna sit by and let a fucking CGI Penguin movie open bigger than a Bond film? Not just a Bond film, but a GREAT Bond film, and the best Bond film in A LONG, LONG TIME!? Go out and see it again this evening!!!! You can make a difference, dammit!!!!!
Fuck Richard Branson! Did anyone notice ALESSANDRA by Jackson Healy	Nov 19th, 2006 03:47:00 PM
AMBROSSIO'S cameo??? She's the hottest Victoria's Secret model, the one you always see in the angel wings, and Brazil's best export since Gissele Bundchen.
I am seeing it tommorow by streakerfreak1983	Nov 19th, 2006 04:16:39 PM
Lets get this back at the top again. Oh and I really don't count this as Bond 21. The true bond films ended with DAD unfortuantly. To me this is seperate and more along the lines of Never Say Never Again, only this is good.
be like BOND and use any method to help CR over penguin by Exeter	Nov 19th, 2006 06:02:49 PM
if youu will go to another movie like Hhappy feet or something else, BUY A TICKET for Casino Royale and just go see the other movie, do you part! It may be dirty, but heck like Bond, any means, but for the greater good of England!!!!
The Best Bond Ever by WoodyStiffer	Nov 19th, 2006 06:38:37 PM
Daniel Craig now owns the role in my eyes. This was the best Bond film, with the best Bond, that I've ever seen. Much more physical, cynical, and mean. Very nicely done by all involved!
No hyperbole here by thecheesegrommit	Nov 19th, 2006 07:14:34 PM
I saw it yesterday and wanted to wait to make sure I felt the way I did aaaand it's an excellent movie. Not just an excellent Bond movie but over all an excellent movie. This place is all about opinions an we often exhust ourselves arguing ones opinions. I'll just say this, I loved it! I wish Brosnan had had this type material. I'll miss Peirce but long live Craig!!! He brought it to Nth degree. I found the females at this showing seemed quite smittened with him. God bless the queen! Peace.
spelling by thecheesegrommit	Nov 19th, 2006 07:16:35 PM
oops exhaust
happy feet is the number one fucking movie! by jig98	Nov 19th, 2006 09:39:21 PM
it beat bond by 2.78 mil! not that surprised. anyway, the name's office. box office.
One of the best Bond flicks ever. by LordTwinkie	Nov 19th, 2006 10:23:23 PM
Seriously this was an incredible movie. The other Bond film that it reminds me of the most would from Russia With Love. Low reliance on the gadgets, brutal fight on the train, and pure spy games with the setup and double crosses and everything. Daniel Craig's Bond reminds me of Connery's first go when he shoots Prof. Dent ruthlessly. This film is decidely in my top 3 Bond films of all time. I think for many it would not be hard to think the same thing. For those nagging about continuity, calm down. Bond films have always flown a little loose with continuity. These films were based on a series of novels and although the novels built upon each other, the movies filmed them out of order. Another note, James Bond is not a codename, the man was born with that name, 007 is his codename. I think the race for #1 in America is tight, but I do believe next week that dumb ass penguin movie will drop fast while Bond due to word of mouth either not drop that much or get bigger. Its hard though because that 2 and a half hour run time kills it in ticket sales. It is #1 in 27 other countries. This Bond will make a ton of money. I hope this makes the producers and writers and everyone who took a gamble on this bond realize that the gamble payed off and not to fuck it up with some over produced shit fest. Another note Le Chiffre didn't work for Spectre in the novel, he worked for Smersh. Although I do love the idea of having a real trilogy (much like the Thunderball,OHMSS, Diamonds are Forever deal) with a secret organization with world wide ambitions. All in all this is one of the best Bond flicks ever. I just hope to god they can keep this up, I would literally give one of my testicles if it would ensure that the next one is as good. (honestly you only really need one testicle).
Best Bond in years. by DarthVerbalKint	Nov 20th, 2006 12:32:20 AM
F-ing great script too.
LordTwinkle, SPECTRE was invented for the filmss by Exeter	Nov 20th, 2006 04:03:21 AM
Even From Russia with Love was SMERSH, changed to SPECTRE in the film beacuse of there didnn' want to be real politial entanglements w/ ol' CCCP back in the day. I always loved SPECTRE in those 60s Bonds, in fact every one of Connery's films was a SPECTRE one except for Goldfinger! Dr. No was their Jamaica operative, From Russia obviously, Thunderball No.2 nuke hijack, YOLT's Blofeld in the flesh (my favorite onscreen interpretation by the great Pleasence as he played him in a creepy Himmler way), and the campy DAF had Blofeld, Never Say Never Again was Thunderball remake. Goldfinger remains thheh only one and even that they were thinking of makign him SPECTRE, he still is a bolshevik-admirer though with collaboration w/ Red China and then escape to Cuba. Aaannnyway i'im glad we're getting an evil organization for the next flick.
OHMSS by Trader Groucho 2	Nov 20th, 2006 04:43:04 AM
is generally considered the worst Bond film. Lazenby was a model who they threw into the role when they balked at Connery's stratospheric quote, and he certainly didn't fit the bill. Say what you will about the Broccolis, but since that mistake they have erred on the side of well-trained actors like Dalton and Craig or actors who had already proven themselves in not dissimilar roles on TV like Moore in the Saint and Brosnan in Remington Steele.
I still wouldn't mind seeing a couple gadgets... by WONKABAR	Nov 20th, 2006 04:57:14 AM
just here and there in the next flick...as long they don't go too overboard with it, keep somewhat realistic (invisible cars, sub-marine cars, laser-guns etc. etc.) and not something Bond is totally reliant on. You know, just some cool handy litte things that we can't get at Sharper Image. They should make Q more of a nut-job when he comes in. A real freaky guy that doesn't get out much type. Btw does anybody know how many movies Craig signed on for? I'm guessing he'll only do a trilogy, and feel that he has played the character as far as he can take it by then. I don't see him pulling a Moore.
errr...NO invisible cars etc. by WONKABAR	Nov 20th, 2006 04:58:54 AM
Just thought I'd clarify.
Not Bond by Ed Okin	Nov 20th, 2006 08:52:32 AM
As a big time 007 fan (posters all over the house, my wife has learned to live with it...), just a few thoughts... How about the fact that Bond has a defib in his car, as he just so happens to need exactly that thing on this mission to keep his well being (Q branch must be psychic), but later when he flips the thing...there's no airbag. The fact that there was no real villian was disappointing too. Le Chiffre was a pale copy of Robert Carlyle's character in The World Is Not Enough. Not particularly villianous, just kind of pathetic. And I agree with you on the end...the big bad guy is...who exactly??? And the Ennnnnndless gambling scene. It's kinda like watching the movie The Net where Sandra Bullock spends a third of the movie typing away on a computer. There is nothing inheritly exciting about watching people type away on a computer, just as watching them gamble for 45 minutes isn't so thrilling either. Lastly, on a personal note, I'm not sure I like the direction this is going in. They've removed the suavity and wit from the character, and now we have a troubled tough guy who uses his brawn rather than brains. We already have that (John McLane, The Transporter movies, Martin Riggs, I could go on and on...). In short, they've taken away all the things that make Bond Bond. I know it's more "tough", and "intense" but again, we can get that elsewhere.
I guess Harry... by abominate	Nov 20th, 2006 09:03:28 AM
..."fucking" loved it, then. People seem to forget--not that it was worth remembering--that Judi Dench also called Brosnan's Bond a "blunt instrument" in Die Another Day. I liked Casino Royale very much. Not super-great, but pretty darn good. I didn't have a problem with Craig's bond at all. I didn't miss Brosnan, and I never doubted the character. I don't see what other guys see in Eva Green. In my book she's not hot. Pretty, yes, but not double-take material. I guess it's just personal preference, and she ain't mine. I did like the vulnerability aspect of Bond. He got hurt a lot and it showed. He gets cut, gets tortured, goes into cardiac arrest...he takes his licks. Whereas in some old Bond movies, 007 would have a chase scene and a fight, and nary a hair was out of place and his tux still looked great. Here, Bond chases and fights and BLEEDS, And THEN he changes his shirt and returns to the poker table like nothing big happened.
Dude_Gimme_Tabs by abominate	Nov 20th, 2006 09:16:37 AM
I'm a big Bond fan but never really discuss it with anybody. Independently, I also came up with resolving the "different actors" continuity problem by imagining that "James Bond 007" is simply the name and number given whichever agent happens to be doing it at the time. That's just my way of processing it, no disrespect intended to you or Bond or the franchise. But if all those actors over 40+ years really ARE the same agent, well then you run into a problem--Brosnan's bond in Die Another Day would have to be 70 years old. At LEAST. So that theory just doesn't work for me. It's gotta be either the "it's just a code name / #" theory, or the "alternate universe Bonds" mentioned earlier in the TB
Bloody loved it! by Cat_Corporation	Nov 20th, 2006 09:36:03 AM
Caught it on Friday night and it was the most fun I've had at the flicks in an age. Everybody was really into it, and I have to disagree with the haters of the poker scene - I thought it was really exciting (no mean feat when we already know who's going to win) and everyone at my showing was ooh-ing and aah-ing like they were watching fireworks. Yes, Craig is fantastic (I always knew he would be!) but honourable mention to my favourite actor Mads Mikkelsen too - wonderful as always. Especially liked seeing these two thesps battle it out during the torture sequence; I'm a gal so I could watch it without looking away! First-rate entertainment - loved it. Well done to all involved.
RE:abominate + other continuity people. by Wololo	Nov 20th, 2006 09:51:18 AM
You really can't look at James Bond like that. It's not a different character with the same "code name". It's the same character. Treat every movie as independent of each other, and not as a series, and it's easier to understand. If you absolutely must try to find some connection between the films then try to think about it as a Cartoon series but in form of real-person-actor action films - the characters don't age, they rarely change(Qs death being a rare example), and each and every week(well, film) they end up in a new and exciting adventure completely unconnected to last weeks adventure or next weeks adventure. A few references, such as Tracy's death, are irrelevant.
lamest headline ever by StovetopStuffin'	Nov 20th, 2006 10:52:52 AM
come on. a battle royale gag? lame! That said, I just saw the movie last night, and aside from the 10 minute "I love you" scenes, this movie rocked. If they had just handled the love story toward the end a bit better I would have given it 10 out of 10. But it was just too forced feeling, and could have been handled a lot better. so I give it a 9 and a half. Finally they are making bond a serious character. And I LOVED the final shot, with him donning a tailor made suit finally and saying "Bond, James Bond." First time since Connery that I thought that sounded cool.
Exeter, the name is Twinkie, Lord Twinkie not TwinkLe by LordTwinkie	Nov 20th, 2006 11:43:05 AM
I was making the comment to correct other people's mistaken view that LeChiffre worked for Spectre, I said he worked for Smersh. Spectre was in the books though, in the Blofeld Triology, which include the novels Thunderball, OHMSS, You Only Live Twice. You could factor in The Spy Who Loved Me which is really an odd book, but i digress. If you look at the published date for Thunderball 1961 you realize that it came before the first film Dr. No which was released in 1962. I do love the idea of having an evil organization like Spectre back again, although Spectre wasn't really evil just really fing greedy. A consortum of people who joined together to make money anyway possible. Which appears to be the same thing this new group is after.
Ed Okin by LordTwinkie	Nov 20th, 2006 11:50:29 AM
The whole point of the film is that this Bond hasn't learned to be the smooth suave uber super man spy that he is in the other films. He just got his 00 designation, and he makes mistakes and is impulsive. as for the defib, they are pretty much everywhere these days. homes, malls, etc. that whole kit seemed to me to be standard first aid kit. being poisoned would be something spys would have to look out for quite a bit in thier field of work
YackBacker by Mr. Nice Gaius	Nov 20th, 2006 12:03:02 PM
No problemo. I was kind of surprised that he stepped out of character and attacked you. Which, of course, is something I can't abide! So, I took him to task for it. Unfortunately, they deleted a couple of my posts along with his (performingmonkey's post was the last in a series of P.S.'s going back and forth between us) subsequent banishment. Keep your eyes open; I'm sure he'll be back. And no, I have not yet seen "Casino Royale". However, judging from the praise it's received, it may be the first Bond movie that I'll try checking out in years. Cheers.
Felix Leiter- Super Agent by batjac	Nov 20th, 2006 12:15:32 PM
From Dr. No to Casino Royale--the ultimate secret agent is Felix Leiter. He's been a man, a woman, black, white, short, tall, and even pretended to be Garret from Hawaii 5-0. Bond is nothing compared to Felix!
batjac by LordTwinkie	Nov 20th, 2006 12:41:55 PM
don't forget he was chum, and a gimp too.
Trader Groucho: OHMSS is "generally considered worst"? by SpyGuy	Nov 20th, 2006 01:09:57 PM
So tell me then, why do 64.8% of IMDB.com voters give it a 7 out of 10 or better? No, it's not the best Bond film ever (that honor goes to GOLDFINGER), but Tracy Vincenzo Bond as played by Diana Rigg has a special place in the heart of many a Bond film freak. And the ending of OHMSS? Only CASINO ROYALE has managed to challenge OHMSS for such a solid ending to a Bond film.
Dalton Is Underappreaciated As Bond by kalel6000	Nov 20th, 2006 01:57:48 PM
Guys, i loved the new bond flick, its right on the money and keeps you entertained despite the long running time. But i just wish people would lay off Dalton a little, The Living Daylights rates among one of my favourite bond films, despite a poor villian, Dalton shone as Bond and made it all very exciting. While i loved Goldeneye, (The opening bungee jump from the dam still looks amazing), the brosnan films seemed to get weaker as they went on. Ok, Brosnan apparently had all the requisite elements for a good bond, but he just wasnt all that convincing as a cold blooded assasin. His last movie, Die another day, in my opinion was really let down by, well obviously the invisible car and that truly awful cgi where bond is dodging the icebergs, but also Halle Berry who in my mind got too much importance, trying to be more of a contemporary to bond rather just a sweet fuck. Bottom line, Brosnan felt too comfortable in role and you couldn't take him seriously, plus he was starting to like a bit too old for the role. I think the producers have picked the right man for the job and got the tone just right. Role on Bond 22
To Shermdawg by Xanther	Nov 20th, 2006 02:40:05 PM
The opening action sequence would seem like a lot of wire work, but Sebastien Foucan can really do that sort of stuff. He's an amazing athlete as demonstrated by this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =gKuvt--cRMw And:http://www.youtube.com/wat ch?v=qDaZgSUka_I If you want to see more go to youtube and search: Jump London
Just wonderful by David Frames	Nov 20th, 2006 03:06:25 PM
I saw it on Saturday and i can honestly say it was the most statisfying flick - Bond or otherwise, that I've seen this year. I cn't wait to see it again. The product placement was offensive certainly, I don't give a fuck about Bond's watch but to be fair a)it pays for the thing and b)Fleming was hardly adverse to a bit of name dropping himself - is there any difference to the dirty philandering bastard refering to Verve Cliquot and Bond ordering a bottle of good bollie? A good point was made on here about Bond's car - defibulator but no airbag but lets be clear about this, WHO THE FUCK CARES. This was the best thing to happen to the series in 20 Daltonfucking years. Tonally perfect, it barely dropped the ball and did more for Bond in one movie that Brosnan could have accomplised with 15. It was deeply distressing to learn that American audiences spent more money on Happy fucking feet this weekend, clearly 6 years of Bush has warped the nation's psyche but thank fuck we got it right here in Britain and in 26 other terrorities so with any luck 22 will be more of the same and son on...forever possibly. Thanks.
James Bond and Godzilla by toadkillerdog	Nov 20th, 2006 03:41:19 PM
There really is a parallel, if you look closely. There has been debate about 'where in the canon' does Craig's brilliant portrayal on Bond - second only to Connery at this point, falls. About whether Dame Judy should have reappeared (Remember Desmond Llewellyn?), whether the name James Bond is just a placeholder, etc. Well, look at Godzilla. Really. It is easier if you break the movies up into series. Such as the first Godzilla series - which lasted roughly twenty years. The equivalent is the First Connery films (Charm, menace, danger). And his first return in Diamonds are Forever. Then the second Godzilla series in the 1980's. Which would be the Lazenby (Some charm, little menace, not terrible though) series of one and done. The third Godzilla series starting in 1999; is more of an alternate reality - which fits Roger Moore(Playing it for laughs and a new Tux every two years) to a 'T'. He was no more 'Bond' than a babboon could claim to be President (wait a minute...). This also includes Connery's second return - big time reality warping going on there (just close your eyes, click your heels and forget about that one) See? It worked. The last series of Godzilla movies are the New generation, starting in early 2000's. Dalton( No charm, decent menace) and Brosnan(Charm, little menace - but still very good) Fit that category. I did not include the American Godzilla - but the equivalent is the Peter Sellers/Woody Allen spoof of Casino Royale. What about Craig (Connery level menace, near Brosnan level charm)? He may define a new class.
Craig IS the new McQueen by NoHubris	Nov 20th, 2006 04:52:48 PM
I finally saw Bond last night at a packed ten-ish PM show (great way to end a Sunday/start the short work week). Craig really does remind one of McQueen in Thomas Crown Affair. Like McQueen's Thomas Crown, Craig could evoke both ice coolness, deep emotion, and merciless ruthlessness.
Bond TOTALLY had time to shag Eva Green! by StarBlitzer	Nov 20th, 2006 06:03:40 PM
I'm sure the mission could wait...damn! ^_^
LordTwinkie, the i and l gets tough to distinguish at 2 by Exeter	Nov 20th, 2006 08:19:52 PM
AM. but why not LordTwinkie when your handle is LordTwinkie?
Bond continuity/multiple-Bond theory by Exeter	Nov 20th, 2006 09:16:53 PM
I always assumed all the films were the same Bond who's timeless like comic book heroes who age like 5 years in 40 years (Bond ages none actually) but after watchnig and re-watching them and growing on them you tend to distance other movies between other movies naturally,and now seeing Casino Royale i tend to place them into different 'Bondiverses', but it's a bit more complex than that. Like Yackbacker said, Craig's the predecessor of Connery and Lazenby's the successor of Connery, right there is the first Bond, all three play James Bond in the same 'wavelength', but there's still more, 1971's campy Diamonds are Forever, while starring the Connster and clearly him taking revenge on Blofeld in the pre-title sequence i can't help but think it's Bond morphing into another Bond, the pre-credits sequence is still the same Bond but afteward it is clearly a Roger Moore film and so begins the new Bond, campy almost parody guy, whose actually been given Bond-fan official name around the Bond forums i've been to: Cubby Bond. The producers Cubby Broccoli & Harry Saltzman exuded more creative control mixed w/ Moore's natural comedic approach and decided a more campy Bond would work best, clearly a different Bond character so 1971(minus pre-title-sequence, yet in 1983's Octopussy in the pre-title sequence he moarns at Tracy's grave, that is the first Bond still,unless you choose to ignore it & take it as a farce like a poster said but since the pre-title doesn't have anything to do with the rest of the film we can say it's the first Bond there for that sequence. & NSNA is a remake of TB btw so we exclude it anywho. so far we have: Bond 1 "Fleming Bond"- Craig, 60s Connery, Lazenby, pre-title sequence DAF, pre-title sequence Octopussy. Bond 2 "Cubby Bond"- post-pre-cred-sequence DAF-AVTAK minus OP's pre-cred sequence Now an even third Bond obviously beginning w/ Dalt, way more serious in tone, but instead of ending with LTK, includes GoldenEye and here's why, GE was tailored for Dalton, he was to do it but stepped down and it's meant for his serious portrayal, Bros is just walking through a role that's not his as best he can and you can see how weak this TV-action actor is compared w/ ShakespeareDalt, it's not his Bond, on top of that with the pre-cred sequence taking place in the late 80s as a sort of bridge from LTK, and to a lesser extent Dalt's and Bros's sort of similar similar physical look i include GE as Dalton bond Bond 3 "Serious Bond"- TLD, LTK, GE The last Bond is Brosnan's last 3 clusterfuck abominations, bombastic fountains of vomit, he ain't a Moore either since Bros is more pretentious/smarmmy/stuck-up prickish and is,to me, the fucking pit of the Bondiverse, heck i'll take Moore over that anyday. Bond 4 "Prick Bond"- TND, TWINE, DAD
BOURNE APPROACH TO BOND by snakecharmer	Nov 21st, 2006 12:19:51 AM
The people behind the Bond franchise clearly saw how much better the Bourne pictures were and they copied the tone for the new Bond. Bourne is still better than this Bond film. I will say that this Bond picture is still really good. Look foward to the next film. I still think that they the new Bourne will be better. Lates.
fuck bourne by Exeter	Nov 21st, 2006 02:16:45 AM
bourne isn't fit to lick the shit residue from Bond's sphincter after a satisfying dump. bourne fights filmed in nauseo-vision, Bond is filmed in classicist style, episodic.
How do Japanese schoolkids fit in to this film? by scrumdiddly	Nov 21st, 2006 03:56:52 AM
Whatever. Psychotic Japanese children or no, this will be the third film I see in a cinema this year. Yay!
Stop fucking abbreviating Bond titles Exeter! by scrumdiddly	Nov 21st, 2006 03:59:14 AM
Not going to waste my time looking that shit up. Arse!
Daniel Graig as.. Jack Bauer by omon ra	Nov 21st, 2006 07:33:06 AM
I got a strong 24 vibe from the whole thing. Like long episode of 24 with poker. Mostly in terms of thematics of the story and how Graig approached the character. But they definitely got some of that ol' gravitas going on!
Good by Fortunesfool	Nov 21st, 2006 09:06:18 AM
But what the hell happened after the torture scene. Whole thing went completely to pot. Random people turning up, new villian introduced. And c'mon you cant torture your main hero without getting some payback from him. The confused last 20 spoiled it for me.
The Bourne films are better...for motion-sickness by SpyGuy	Nov 21st, 2006 09:24:23 AM
If for nothing else, CASINO ROYALE is better than both Bourne films because the filmmakers kept the goddamn camera steady. My moviegoing experience generally tends to be more positive when I'm not spewing regurgitated popcorn and Starburst chews all over the men's room floor halfway through the flick.
Cheerz YackBacker by kalel6000	Nov 21st, 2006 09:39:30 AM
Nice to know there are other talkbackers with similar views to myself.
The best Bond? The Man With The Golden Arm by Kentucky Colonel	Nov 21st, 2006 03:09:14 PM
Man, I get a jones every time I see Bond shoot up. What's the deal with the trumpet, though?
I WAS SAYING THAT BOURNE WAS BETTER IN TONE. by snakecharmer	Nov 21st, 2006 03:22:49 PM
The Bourne films got the tone right from the get go. Ok, I agree with you on the camera work but Casino Royale had some of that in the fight scenes. You can't tell me that you didn't find the last couple Bonds goofy? Besides, as much as I liked Casion Royale, it did go on a half hour too long. It, also, felt like it had multiple endings. Lates.
The best Bond theme? by Kentucky Colonel	Nov 21st, 2006 03:23:28 PM
Carly Simon "Nobody Does It Better" from "The Spy Who Loved Me". I watched that one again Sunday night and I can't get the fucker out of my head. When Bond skis off the cliff, there's all that silence, then (spoiler) the Union Jack parachute opens up to the James Bond DA-DA/DA-DA/DADADA-DAT cue (end spoiler), and then the piano starts to tinkle and Carly moans "Nobody does it better, makes me feel sad for the rest, nobody does it half as good as you....baby you're the best". How ya gonna top that?
Bond themes by NoHubris	Nov 21st, 2006 04:21:45 PM
Other great ones are Goldfinger (Shirley Bassey), For Your Eyes Only (Sheena Easton) and License to Kill (Gladys Knight).
Don't mean to get offtopic, but... by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Nov 21st, 2006 05:19:50 PM
who the eff is Top Ramen Phil? Is he the guy that always has that website for the movie I don't want to name at the end of his posts?
Best Bond in years by Jack Burton	Nov 21st, 2006 06:11:33 PM
I can't think of a better Bond movie in quite a while. Beats all except a select few Connery movies. I'm sure Pierce Brosnan would have loved to have played Bond like this but it wasn't in the cards for him. Daniel Craig did just as well as I thought he would. For the first time in years I'm actually looking forward to another Bond movie. As for the continuity I never looked for any. I took it to all be the same guy just multiple missions in multiple times. Never really gave it a lot of thought. As for Casino Royale, I think this one IS starting some continuity and we'll probably see some of that in the next movie.
Go back to Ian Fleming's novels by jrizal	Nov 21st, 2006 08:07:54 PM
Craig's Bond is pretty much how Ian Fleming's Bond comes across from novels, dangerous and a killer, not a comedian like Roger Moore. Dalton tried to get back to the original description of Bond, but he came across as just being dyspeptic. Brosnan wanted to do a more serious Bond, but he wasn't allowed to by the producers.
Brosnan is also 53 years old.. by Jugs	Nov 22nd, 2006 01:10:05 AM
...the stuff that Craig-Bond gets up to just wouldn't feel real with a Brosnan-Bond if done nowadays.
Ok, just gotta say this... by Mithril	Nov 22nd, 2006 03:36:37 AM
but Harry, since when was For Your Eyes Only one of the cheesy, gadget-laden Bonds?!? FYEO is known among Bond fans as the non-gadgety, more realistic, edgy one. Bond has, I think, about two special gadgets in it, both of which he loses during the film. Hell, his car even blows up pretty early on! The only "gadgets" he uses for most of the film are real-life ones, like minisubs, guns and explosives. One of the main reasons the film is among my Bond favourites is the fact that Bond has to handle most things by his skills, cunning and bravery alone, without a huge arsenal of special gadgets to pull out and use at every sign of danger. Phew! Well, got that off my chest...
Romance was painful by Scanain	Nov 22nd, 2006 07:11:09 AM
I have to say I enjoyed this film but sadly the romance scenes largely killed it for me. I don't mind seeing Bond in a romantic tangle, that's fair enough and the female lead here is so well played and such a striking character that you can completely accept Bonds reaction. The problem I have is how pathetically swift and over the top the romance is played out. I would equate it to the Ice Wave surfing scene in the previous Bond that just didn't fit. It was the weak straw for me and I think should have been handled in a more subtle way, as Casino Royal saw Bond take on a more realistic subtle point of reference. The last scene in Casino Royal, the very last image jumps off the Screen grabs you by the shirt sucks in a load of air and screams BOND at you from two inches away. Almost made 'I have no armour left' stomachable.
What did you think of this film? Tell it to the radio! by The Tao of Joe	Nov 22nd, 2006 10:31:49 PM
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What did you think? Tell it to the radio!!! by The Tao of Joe	Nov 22nd, 2006 10:33:39 PM
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The worst James Bond movie ever made. by kabong	Nov 23rd, 2006 09:43:58 PM
I hope EON goes bankrupt.
The best James Bond movie ever made by Wazoo	Nov 24th, 2006 07:12:18 AM
I wouldn't be selling short on Eon stock right now, or you'd probably have to take part in a high stakes poker game to try and get your funds back.
Sorry kabong... by Forestal	Nov 24th, 2006 01:15:32 PM
Looks like EON will not be going bankrupt and will be keeping Craig for awhile. CR has a good chance of winning the Thanksgiving weekend box office.
THIS IS SPARTA!!!!! by Ultron ver 2.0	Nov 25th, 2006 10:44:02 AM
I saw it last week at a theater in Chicago that serves food and liquor, and after knocking down a pitcher of L.I.T, which I might add, completely enhances movie-viewing, and is highly recommended, either in the theater or in the parking lot....I found Casino Royale to kick copious amounts of ass, and is now #1 in my alltime fav Bond movies.
I bet all the anti Craig people feel silly right now by DARTH VOODOO	Nov 25th, 2006 10:45:21 AM
Craig makes a great 007.
Joygasms! by SPECTRE Agent	Nov 25th, 2006 11:59:22 AM
Finally saw this yesterday and it seems undeniable that we'll be dealing with SPECTRE 2.0 (or its succsessor.) Ian McKellan for Blofeld!
I was watching tomorrow never dies last night by emeraldboy	Nov 26th, 2006 05:45:32 AM
and after seeing it again, dreadful. absolutley dreadful. Craig will work he has this Kray era/london Mafioso aura about him and that jacket at the end. Dustin Hoffman. I saw Tomorrow Never Dies, too many gadgets, too many puns giving bond a female sidekick was one of the worst ideas ever. The more I think about casting craig is the master stroke that saved the series.
the seashell at the end by antonphd	Nov 26th, 2006 07:06:33 AM
i think the romance feels rushed because it's been cut up. notice the seashell he picks up and looks at before checking the phone. there's a scene that we haven't gotten to watch. i hope it's just cut for time and not for suckiness. cause i want to see what this seashell is all about. or maybe i just want my question to Stallone about the 3 seashells answered. either way is good for me.
why was Bond going to see Lechief before stair fight? by SantiagoAtez	Nov 26th, 2006 10:17:19 AM
Ok, so i butchered the bad guys name. Was he going up there to kill him? or did he already know the african guys were there? i didn't quite understand why he was going up their with his silenced pisto
I rewatched TND as well by Rainbow Cotton	Nov 26th, 2006 01:09:16 PM
And holy christ was it bad. I like Michelle Yeoh but she didn't belong in a Bond movie. The only somewhat cool thing in that whole movie was the motorcycle chase when they are handcuffed together. But who came up with the storyline where Bond fights Ted Turner? Just ridiculous. Well, at least it didn't have an ice fortress like DAD. I think the ice fortress is now the official sign of a series-killing sequel (see: Batman & Robin). Oh and bring on the extended cut of CR (if it exists), I could easily watch a 180+ minute version of this.
To answer your question, SantiagoAtez by Manatee	Nov 26th, 2006 03:49:25 PM
Bond just found out Vesper wasn't giving him the extra $5 million to buy back into the poker game. Being the hot-headed douchebag that he is, he decides to simply kill Le Chiffre. Leiter agrees to stake him in the game, defusing the situation. You've got to love the impetuous Bond! If you can't beat them, kill them.
Hey Manatee... by cornponious	Nov 26th, 2006 04:10:56 PM
That's where the "License to Kill" thing comes in.
Why do you like this POS? by kabong	Nov 26th, 2006 09:58:30 PM
Have you not seen Dr. No or From Russia With Love? There are only two extended action sequences in CR: in Africa and in Miami. The fight on the stairs was good but nothing like the fight against Red Grant on the Orient Express with its suspense, rivalry, attache case. Where are the gorgeous females? There is no Honey Ryder coming out of the sea. Eva Green's TFN was good--but that was in another movie, so what are you so excited about? Caterina Murino looked good but was killed offscreen. Here's how that should have been handled. Remember the guy with the eyepatch? He should have approached Caterina and flicked open a stiletto. We don't have to see her killed. Remember when Corinne Clery was chased by the attack dogs in Moonraker? That gets an audience going. Later in CR, when Bond fights and kills Eyepatch in Venice, it would provide some dramatic satisfaction, some justice, instead of just being some guy getting killed. And the car chase! Ha ha. Five seconds into it, Bond spins out. He needs to work on getting a license to drive. The plot had holes, but most movie plots do. But don't tell me that Mr. White is going to walk around with $140 million in cash and no guards. That reminds me of The Saint movie where the Russian gangster had the stolen heating oil hidden under his house. That last scene with Craig doing the line was good, but it should have been at the end of the opening gambit, before some visually exciting credits. And that theme "song" was very catchy if you like YELLING. Now, if people like watching poker and cellphone commercials, then it is the movie to see.
no Manatee by SantiagoAtez	Nov 27th, 2006 07:01:28 AM
When Vesper tells him she will not give him the money he takes the knife from the table and goes after Lechief, and the Felix stops him at the last minute. What I'm talking about happens before this...right before the stair fight. When the african mercenaries are in Lechief's hotel room, and Bond is going up there in the elevator and takes out the pistol from th envelope. This is what I don't understand. Why is he going to kill him then?
SPOILERS QUOTE: "The bitch is..." by SantiagoAtez	Nov 27th, 2006 10:19:12 AM
What did you guys think about the infamous quote? We really were bitching about it when the script reviews were going around. I'm kind of halfway after seeing the movie. It shows how Bond was trying to protect himself pyschologically, but using the "bitch" word didn't come out well and wasn't very believable. M's reaction was great, though. But hey, the movie was an A+ for me...I'm just being picky.
Bond is Back... by idahomer	Nov 27th, 2006 11:21:09 AM
and better than ever. This was all I wanted. Very believable action scenes, no world domination plot, limited gadgetry. CR is the first act of three. So it had to get some of the romantic stuff out of the way to get to who Bond now is. And the "Bond, James Bond" at the end had me. He no longer has to work the shit-holes of the world tracking a lowly bomber (like in the beginning). He now is on his way to finding the really bad ass guys. This triolgy will only get better. Then EON can find a new Bond for the next trilogy. Craig will be 45 by then and we will all be happy to see someone new. Oh, and Bond was simply coming or going to his hotel room when he heard the women scream (I think).
Bondfest on TV... by idahomer	Nov 27th, 2006 11:28:51 AM
was great this weekend and made me appreciate CR even more. It really has a timelessness to it. It could be in any decade in the last 60 years. The bitch line worked for me. I didn't see it as protecting himself. He really did think she had betrayed him at that point. Bond had just received the pistol from M, and was taking it to his room. It was just luck he was there. Also, I didn't realize that Dench referred to Bond as a "blunt instrument" in TND. Also, I thought there was quite a bit of humor in CR.
antonphd - the seashell by Cat_Corporation	Nov 27th, 2006 04:12:21 PM
I think the seashell was probably supposed to be a memento picked up from the beach where she spent time with Bond, and therefore it signified that she really did have feelings for him. Us girls keep little things like that - at least, that's what I thought it was! Quite poignant I suppose.
a trilogy, Idahomer? by SantiagoAtez	Nov 27th, 2006 05:16:55 PM
I never heard about a trilogy. Do you mean the stories will be connected somehow? As far as the romantic stuff, I think it worked really really well...much better than any other Bond movie I think. But if they try to repeat that romantic stuff, it won't work. Better if it was only for Vesper. As far as the "bitch" line, I definitely don't think he really meant it...or maybe he just wanted himself to think that. Remember, he did still try to save her. And he was pretty torn up when he couldn't get her breathing again. So, Idahomer, tell me about this whole trilogy thing. I'm lost. I think it would be cool if they connected the stories a bit. Maybe some flashback scenes of Vesper, as it would be a shame if they pretended he was completely over her in the next movie.
One possibility SantiagoAtez by Wazoo	Nov 27th, 2006 06:24:36 PM
He was taking Vesper with him, so I don't think he was going up to kill Le Chiffre. The gun was probably just a precaution. Perhaps he was going up to give Le Chiffre an 'early out.' "Just come in with me and the British Government will protect you" sorta crap. But, whatever he was doing could have been explained a bit better.
Didn't just receive gun from M by Wazoo	Nov 27th, 2006 06:30:30 PM
Idahomer, he may indeed have been just going to his room, but he had put that gun (taken from the Aston) into that envelope before the card game. He apparently was retrieving it for some purpose.
Kicked "copious amounts of ass" indeed. by 'Cholera's Ghost	Nov 27th, 2006 09:26:13 PM
"Would you like that shaken or stirred?" ... "Does it look like a give a damn?" This and Batman Begins have salvaged the action movie experience for me.
RE: One possibility SantiagoAtez by SantiagoAtez	Nov 28th, 2006 01:33:18 PM
It almost seems like there´s a scene missing. Maybe it didn't make it through editing. I do have one idea though... Remember when they set up the guy with the bodies of the 2 african mercs in the car trunk? Remember what Bond said to his "contact" (I don't remember his name)? I almost had the impression that Bond was involved with the mercs finding Le Chief. To be honest maybe I was looking to far into that conversation, maybe it's nothing more than a "yeah man, we got that guy good" talk. Anyway, I'm still at a lost as to what the heck he was going up there (with Vesper) and a silenced pistol. Maybe you're right, and he was going to give Le Chief one last chance to come clean....but why bring Vesper? And why not explain this scene better? Oh well.
Not a true trilogy, maybe... by idahomer	Nov 29th, 2006 11:30:29 AM
I just think that it makes the most sense. Craig is signed for two more films and the ending of CR definately set up for a continuation of the story. Mr. White is somehow tied to a SPECTER/SMERSH type of organization. Two more films would work very nicely as Bond grows and finally gets to "Mr. Big." Regarding the pistol, I'll have to say I don't know, but I don't think he was planning on confronting Le Ciffre.
emeraldboy and British tax breaks... by lynxpro	Nov 29th, 2006 05:34:47 PM
There's problems with your assertions. Pierce Brosnan is Irish, not British. George Lazenby is Australian - granted, a member of the Commonwealth - but not British. Add to the fact that Julian McMahon - who is Australian - was also approached regarding the role (and supposedly turned it down), and your theory about having a British lead actor in the role does not jive with the facts. Nor does how Burt Reynolds was considered for the role back in the 70s.
never Spielberg... by lynxpro	Nov 29th, 2006 05:36:18 PM
You know, I watched Munich awhile back on DVD. While most of the film was great, the gunfighting scenes sucked. While watching them, I kept on thinking to myself how much better it would have been had Michael Mann directed it. Mann > Spielberg for a Bond directing gig.
Haven't seen it yet... by Fugazi32	Nov 30th, 2006 03:51:50 AM
...but will do!
Completely over-rated tosh by peter skellen	Nov 30th, 2006 04:45:14 PM
Like a cross between Die Hard 2 and a chocolate ad. Bond is now a sour-faced sociopath and bore. I guess people get caught up in the moment and embrace the new.
What a great contribution to the thread Porky by peter skellen	Dec 1st, 2006 11:47:45 AM
I don't understand the hysteria for this listless film but I don't insult people who like it.
My tuppence worth by BenBraddock	Dec 2nd, 2006 04:11:47 AM
I really liked it. D.C. and co pretty much pulled it off. Should've found a new M though; I don't have anything against Dench but it just didn't make sense keeping her. Is she under contract? Guess they just didn't want to drop all continuity. To get picky, I'd rather they'd dropped her and kept the traditional title sequence - the new-look computer thing was pretty horrible and believe me it's gonna look SO dated in 5 years time (whereas (most) of the traditional openings stand up OK) Horrible cartoony fighting shadow-figure graphics, reminded me of "Tron" or something (not good!) And give me a smokey female songvoice over that screaming Cornell anyday. Great re-start though. And the most exciting part is anticipating the next one!
Mr.White SPOILER by BenBraddock	Dec 2nd, 2006 04:18:52 AM
Anyone else really want Bond to blast Mr.White at the very end of the film? Have Bond say "the line", kill White, cue 007 music.. movie ends on a real bang. Wasn't this guy indirectly responsible for the death of Vesper? Would have thought Bond would want to revenge the woman he loved. I guess White was worth more alive and Bond was now mature enough to realise that. Anyone have an opinion?
Had to keep White alive... by Wazoo	Dec 3rd, 2006 08:03:13 PM
...was Bond's last link to track the organization (cough "SPECTRE" cough) down. BTW, looks like Casino Royale is going to be the highest grossing Bond movie ever. Already reached $300 million worldwide in 3 weeks. Die Another Day brought in $432 million total.
Ridley Scott for Bond by Wazoo	Dec 3rd, 2006 10:38:48 PM
How cool would it be to let Scott get his hands on the Bond franchise?
I liked it when he got out by arghhhhhhhh	Dec 5th, 2006 10:47:48 AM
I liked it when he got out of the water, oh boy would i like to slap my cock of that chest
And some little girls in the audience are crying by kabong	Dec 6th, 2006 05:04:48 PM
when Vesper dies. In the next movie, maybe they'll assign James Bond a dog named Skip.
I've heard the corpses from Body Worlds cameo by Nadine_Cross	Dec 8th, 2006 08:22:07 PM
For reals? Interesting.
ENGLAND PREVAILS by DOGSOUP	Dec 12th, 2006 05:05:35 PM
Oh sorry, wrong movie...
Brosnan movies by jtp8000	Jan 19th, 2007 08:04:38 AM
Were not as bas as some of the Moore movies and infinitely better than either of the Dalton pictures (though I'm sure the fasult lies with Dalton's performance. If Brosnan had gotten out of his Remington Steele contract and done them they may have been better)). The only issue I had with Daniel Craig was that Brosnan slipped into the role smoothly because he wasn't going to the beginning. Craig willtake a little getting used to. And by the way- those who thought Moore was gay- jesus, you ever seen his wife?
Craig > Connery > Dalton > Brosnan > Moore by just pillow talk	Jan 30th, 2007 02:24:39 PM
Well, at least Craig will be better than Connery by the time he's done if they keep the quality of the Bond movies like Casino...
Dalton>Connery>Lazenby>Moore>Cra ig>Brosnan by Mr. Charmand Grimloch	Feb 4th, 2007 02:47:10 PM
Thats the proper order. Brosnan was beyond awful, and Lazenby is underrated. Imagine Lazenby in some of the scenes where Brosnan practically lisped his way through the dialogue. Craig is unproven, because the character is deliberately undefined. Moore is a solid Bond when the material is solid. The example being "For Your Eyes Only". Connery is most people's choice for number 1. Nothing wrong with that, but i have a personal preference for Dalton, and the more edgy approach of the two films he is in. Ideally, Lazenby should have taken over when he did, and stayed on for at least one more film, negating Connery's horrible return in Diamonds are Forever. Moore should have bowed out after For Your Eyes Only, and Dalton could have stepped in for Octopussy and A View To a Kill, and then stayed on for the 4 miserable pictures that Brosnan reigned over. Thank God the clown is gone. Lets hope Craig is given solid material (and yeah, i mean better than this overrated reboot) and stays on for at least a couple more.
What are you drinking???? by The_Jack_Sack	Feb 5th, 2007 12:37:09 PM
Connery > Brosnan > Craig > Moore > Lazenby > Dalton Craig certainly has the potential to move up in the ranks, but Connery is King right now. Dalton was barely watchable; he was second choice to Brosnan the first time around when NBC wouldn't let him out of his Remington Steele contract.
And Zoran was the #1 Villian by The_Jack_Sack	Feb 5th, 2007 12:49:27 PM
Christopher Walken is King...
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high Monica! by just pillow talk	Mar 2nd, 2007 07:15:59 AM
Thanks for the public announcement! Bye!
I am last! by Quintus_Arrius	Mar 6th, 2007 05:05:54 AM
That is all.
for one day by just pillow talk	Mar 7th, 2007 06:45:01 AM
Move along, nothing to see here...
Ha... by Quintus_Arrius	Mar 9th, 2007 10:24:15 PM
...foiled again you pillow talking bastard!
seen it. stole it by council estate scumbag	Mar 14th, 2007 05:23:05 AM
its wicked. we nicked a bafta copy off of this posh twat who wandered onto our council estate by accident. some for your concideration shit. it was a wicked film tho. that bird on the horse is well fit. bit of a brucey bonus tho. skinny bird at the end with the massive spam aint bad either.if i was 127 years older i'd do judi dench too. yo grammamma! schwing!
not so fast... by just pillow talk	Mar 14th, 2007 01:41:16 PM
Ben never loved you.
a boatload of fun by just pillow talk	Mar 15th, 2007 08:26:58 AM
served with a dish of happiness and joy for the whole wide world. Now everyone: "Kumbaya my lord...kumbaya..."
Anyone notice interesting use of back projection? by JimmyLoneWolf	Mar 23rd, 2007 09:07:46 PM
This is really neat. About 20 minutes into this otherwise technically flawless film, there is a shot of Le Chiffre's girlfriend emerging from the water in a bathing suit. We then see a shot of her opening the door and walking inside, and the image behind her was clearly added in postproduction. What is so cool about this is that it was obviously possible to film something as simple as this using a natural background, so the use of greenscreen was a deliberate stylistic choice...and it adds a feeling of "heightened reality" that couldn't have been achieved otherwise. Sometimes, making visual effects "too perfect" can actually defeat the purpose of having "visual effects" to begin with...especially in films like Star Wars and Indinaa Jones (and Bond, of course), in which we are MEANT to understand that we are in a "movie universe". Watch the scene again, closely, and tell me that there isn't something special about that shot...a kind of "magic" that hasn't been seen like this since the days of visible matte lines. Of course, there's nothing "clunky" or "dated" about the shot, most won't even notice it, in fact. But if you are an astute observer, you'll notice that the shot brilliantly, almost subliminally, accentuates the character (already striking in her blue bathing suit) and enhances the tonal contrast between the gloomy, dark interior of the boat and the sun-kissed tropical exterior. Just another testament to the manner in which this film, in ways both big and small, has breathed rich cinematic oxygen into a series that I feared would asphyxiate before rising to the level of bliss found in its earliest films. Hyperbole be damned...Casino Royale is a masterpiece, and Bond, not to mention the great filmmaking that his presence once guaranteed, is officially back in business. Bring on the next one!!
agree completely Jimmy... by just pillow talk	Mar 26th, 2007 08:42:19 AM
That Casino Royale was fantastic. If I can get three Bond films of this quality, I'll be a very happy camper.
Finally caught up with this on DVD and it sucked bad. by ExcaliburFfolkes	Mar 30th, 2007 03:47:42 PM
This is the movie for anyone who doubted just how terrible all the 1990's and later Bond movies would have been without Pierce Brosnon carrying and classing them up. Without him or at least a suitable replacement, the crap really shows through this time around. Bad Bond, lame villians, tepid plot, average looking women, little style, no class, and scant suspense. I can't think of a single good thing to say about this movie (well, except maybe that the Aston Martin Vanquish looked awesome, but that's it). And I thought for the series reboot they were going to ditch all the lame over-the-top chases and go back to a more serious tone. Instead this was more of the same old same old. Seriously, if they really want to change the Bond franchise for the better they need to clean house of the current producers and kick out Cubby Broccoli's no-talent heirs. Until that time, expect more the same as the past ten or so years. Bond, crappy ass Bond.
you're nuts dude by just pillow talk	Mar 31st, 2007 10:44:28 PM
Brosnan's movies got worse and worse, and were nowhere near as brutal as Craig's Bond. And you cannot say that the 'chases' in this one were near as over-the-top as previous ones. I didn't see a car chase on ice in this one or a helicopter chasing Bond and kung fu chick on a motorcycle. And Bond actually got hurt in this one and was as good as dead a couple of times, but got lucky. Brosnan was never in danger because of the mickey mouse villians that he would face. Oh wait, Jonathan Pryce was oh so frightful. I will concede Sophie Marceau on the basis of being hot.
a question for ExcaliburFfolkes would be: by just pillow talk	Apr 12th, 2007 02:12:05 PM
what action movie do you like if not this new Bond?
Alba hating fools! by Quintus_Arrius	May 16th, 2007 07:35:14 AM
Last you fags... Oh wait!
no one hates Alba who posts last on this thread... by just pillow talk	May 18th, 2007 03:14:31 PM
last... I laugh in your general direction Quintus!
just pillow talk: Infact, I love Alba too by Quintus_Arrius	May 20th, 2007 03:18:33 PM
Welcome to the party... Goodbye.
where are you going? by just pillow talk	May 21st, 2007 10:17:52 AM
ah well...last AGAIN! I guess it falls upon me to keep Alba company..to the right honey, to the right..
the zone scares me.... by just pillow talk	May 23rd, 2007 07:43:34 AM
and Alba cannot comprehend what the zone is... use both hands sweets...
i'm actually registered... by just pillow talk	May 24th, 2007 07:15:50 AM
and have only used the zone a couple of times to send email addresses, etc, to get my hands on the transformers script. I enjoy the insanity of the TB's, but perhaps I will venture into the great unknown of the negative zone one of these days... God speed on your journey Orcus...
anytime Orcus... by just pillow talk	May 25th, 2007 08:48:59 AM
say hi to Ghengis for me!
Ghengis misses the real Star Wars... by just pillow talk	May 29th, 2007 07:41:31 AM
he always cries like a baby when the OT comes on. Except the Ewoks. They make him angry.
stop posting that shit by just pillow talk	Jun 7th, 2007 01:14:21 PM
copy and pasting it in Vern's Die Flaccid TB too.
yeah, I've done it once too Orcus... by just pillow talk	Jun 10th, 2007 08:02:08 PM
You won't win nameless one...
You will be banned by just pillow talk	Jun 10th, 2007 08:02:52 PM
dirty little billy bastard.
I think the bastard was banned... by just pillow talk	Jun 13th, 2007 11:35:57 AM
unless he's lurking somewhere else...
hmmm...well, he's not as bold as Gabriel dude... by just pillow talk	Jun 15th, 2007 07:20:50 AM
so I guess the mods are leaving him alone... How goes the time travels? I finally just saw the Fountain, and I suppose one can interpret it as time traveling.
You know I'm against the Zone... by just pillow talk	Jun 18th, 2007 07:31:25 AM
That's your turf....me, I always enjoy the chaos (trolls and spammers be damned) of the TB wars. That's what I heard too....parts of TB's themselves are wiped away as well. Gabriel is a, well, not sure sure what you want to call him...he's had several variations and likes TO TYPE IN BOLD and speak in gibberish and crazy talk. Starved for attention.
gee, I'll shed a tear for the spammer... by just pillow talk	Jun 18th, 2007 01:37:50 PM
Ah, but there's a difference between stupid humor and annoying spam... Perhaps the column width glitch was created when I (and other TB'ers) were able to 'post in the past' in one of the Heroes TB's. The time stamping that got attached to our posts was stamped 2 hours before the actual time of the posting. I'm sure there's a correlation...I'm sure.
ah, I see... by just pillow talk	Jun 19th, 2007 07:33:10 AM
Yeah, I was in the 'ol Silver Surfer nards TB...say your posts there. They've cleaned that one up several times from banning people in that one.
clean-up in aisle seven... by just pillow talk	Jun 19th, 2007 11:27:16 AM
spammerade spill...watch yourself, it's a bit slippery.
so is the hate for DH4! by just pillow talk	Jun 21st, 2007 08:13:38 AM
A very, very, very sad indeed...
I don't think I can Orcus... by just pillow talk	Jun 21st, 2007 11:27:35 AM
It will not be a Die Hard movie. McClane does NOT jump off of jet fighters...too much like every other bad action movie from the past decade. It's kind of strange, but the "Arnold to do Seven Soldiers" is going a bit wacky. Says there is over 120 posts, and yet when I click on it there's only 5. Is that the Spam Guy?
I can't get into the Die Flaccid TB now... by just pillow talk	Jun 22nd, 2007 10:12:55 AM
This simply cannot be...
aaahhh...the 'search' engine is all screwy for me by just pillow talk	Jun 22nd, 2007 12:12:44 PM
very sad. Those crazy TF talkbackers!
go away you drippy whore by just pillow talk	Jun 25th, 2007 06:43:01 AM
can't believe you would pollute Vern's Die Flaccid TB with this shit. Are you really that alone in life?
the water was chilly... by just pillow talk	Jun 25th, 2007 11:55:20 AM
but I got used to it. Thanks again dude...
sounds like a movie by just pillow talk	Jun 25th, 2007 01:54:19 PM
Someone is having fun with AICN...
damn spammers...and JettL93 is just as bad by just pillow talk	Jul 13th, 2007 08:55:18 PM
Trolls always end up showing their tru colors...
he did? that's great if he did by just pillow talk	Jul 16th, 2007 11:25:56 AM
While in the beginning it was fun, when he continued to deny it and then posted his childish anus pic, that was ridiculous.
yo Orcus...how goes it? by just pillow talk	Aug 22nd, 2007 10:59:46 AM
Yes, the spammer has been periodically showing up.
damn you spammer bitch by just pillow talk	Aug 31st, 2007 09:24:31 PM
die, just die.
tis been very quiet in the past during your hiatus by just pillow talk	Sep 10th, 2007 11:55:28 AM
I haven't run into many others besides the spammer dolt. When does Orcus Jr. get his very own time machine?
oops...sorry about that... by just pillow talk	Sep 11th, 2007 11:26:06 AM
Perhaps when she's thirty then. :-)
hah! this is why I'm builing an Ion Cannon by just pillow talk	Sep 18th, 2007 12:49:19 PM
I need to protect my shield generator in the future as well (my girl is only 1 1/2, so I have time)....
which is why I wander into the archive halls... by just pillow talk	Sep 25th, 2007 12:13:21 PM
every once in a while. To get a breather from the insanity of current talkbacks.
I'm going with a diesel model... by just pillow talk	Sep 26th, 2007 10:59:08 AM
they build them a lot cleaner now, and I get better mileage. Figured you would see those posts...
yo Orcus...if you come back this way.... by just pillow talk	Oct 11th, 2007 07:08:37 AM
Can you send me the link again on how to track posts? It seemed to get wiped out from a couple days back when there was technical difficulties around these parts...
ok Orcus... by just pillow talk	Oct 12th, 2007 06:46:28 AM
I haven't surfed the archives since the upgrade... Man, was any of the 'classic' ones lost?
aaahhh...i feel whole again by just pillow talk	Oct 12th, 2007 12:58:18 PM
Tracking back. Muchas gracias amigo.
interesting...I will have to go searching now... by just pillow talk	Oct 18th, 2007 06:09:34 AM
One can hope that at least the majority of the talkbacks are still intact.
douche bag has popped up in a bunch of tb's by just pillow talk	Oct 23rd, 2007 11:30:41 AM
please spam guy...just wait for an oncoming train and do the world a favor. Too drastic? Okay, then stub your little toe, ya bastard!
unfortunately I haven't had too much time due to work by just pillow talk	Oct 24th, 2007 02:44:53 PM
but I'm glad to hear that things are back to normal with the archives....
finally working again! by just pillow talk	Nov 1st, 2007 09:43:36 AM
My XG3000 was burning too much oil me thinks....
I contacted Mori through the zone just now... by just pillow talk	Nov 5th, 2007 02:18:15 PM
Wonder how long before they get banned and then return once again?
I think JJ Abrams new movie is about the spammer by just pillow talk	Nov 7th, 2007 06:17:38 AM
seems nothing can stop him.... Yeah, more maintenance. It has been called the "white page of doom."
nah, he's no spammer by just pillow talk	Dec 5th, 2007 10:59:49 AM
just playing around...
and then there was much rejoicing by Orcus... by just pillow talk	Dec 5th, 2007 11:36:01 AM

have you unleashed your knowledge upon the by just pillow talk	Jan 7th, 2008 06:41:58 AM
talkbacks yet?
As long as you don't by just pillow talk	Jan 7th, 2008 12:41:59 PM
repeatedly say "give this Trek a chance", I don't think there will be any mistake.
crickets by thebearovingian	Apr 29th, 2008 12:13:21 AM
Tumbleweeds Chickens Spidermokeys
you see the size of those chickens??? by just pillow talk	Jun 3rd, 2008 07:02:15 AM

the ending is the beginning is the ending by just pillow talk	Jun 12th, 2008 07:26:30 AM
It all is as it was and will be.
FREE XIPHOS! by just pillow talk	Jun 19th, 2008 11:24:59 AM

and a #2 pencil to stab shitheels with by just pillow talk	Jun 20th, 2008 10:24:02 AM

wrong, wrong, wrong Prossor by just pillow talk	Jan 21st, 2009 12:55:08 PM
Did I mention you are wrong?
Orcus thinks you mentioned it in passing by Orcus	Jan 22nd, 2009 03:26:16 PM
Quantum of SOlace was the shiznit as the kids say
AQUAFAGGOTS ASSEMBLE!!! by Orcus	Sep 28th, 2009 01:38:40 PM
Hear the clarion call of Orcus!
Sorry, AQUAF@GGOTS ASSEMBLE by Orcus	Sep 28th, 2009 01:39:40 PM
Orcus better check his horn

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