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Norvell gives a complete report on GHOST RIDER and MSJ's Appearance at Wizard World Texas!

Dazzler: The Movie? by elmstreetkid	Nov 12th, 2006 01:14:25 PM
it could be the first superhero musical :)
How can this possibly be good? by Jonesey1111	Nov 12th, 2006 01:31:31 PM
Just wonderin'...
I think I buy the Daredevil DC next week, by DerLanghaarige	Nov 12th, 2006 01:42:00 PM
Wanted to do it since it's out.
Sounds cool. by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Nov 12th, 2006 01:47:21 PM
And the director sounds like a nice guy. I hope nothing but good things for this movie. PS. Daredevil directors cut kicks ass!
This is going to tank so hard. by jimmy_009	Nov 12th, 2006 02:26:11 PM
The trailer is a laughable nightmare. No wonder it's being dumped in February.
About the Daredevil DC by Zombie Carnifex	Nov 12th, 2006 02:30:00 PM
Seriously that cut was Soooooooo much better than what was released. The studio really screwed the pooch by not releasing that version. Not all DCs are great, but this one sure as hell is. as for GR I'll give it a shot, it has to be better than the FF movie.
Give him a chance, I say by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly	Nov 12th, 2006 02:51:12 PM
Yeah, Daredevil was kinda mediocre, but the director sounds like a nice guy and seems like a geniune comic fan. I'll give him my six bucks.
DD sucked but that scene from GR sounded cool by DOGSOUP	Nov 12th, 2006 02:59:23 PM
This is the first time I was inclined to see it....
GHOST RIDER ROCKS by hatespeech	Nov 12th, 2006 03:11:49 PM
and you'll know it too in Feb.
1st mention of Zarathos by CarmillaVonDoom	Nov 12th, 2006 03:29:48 PM
is only about 1 year after GR's debut in Marvel Spotlight 5. I think will be on par with DD, about a C+ for a grade imo
I hope the "studio interference" isn't merely a cover.. by rbatty024	Nov 12th, 2006 03:55:19 PM
for the shitty Daredevil movie, and that this guy actually has talent. Althought, I must admit that the previews have yet to get me that excited.
WELL by THE KNIGHT	Nov 12th, 2006 04:00:38 PM
I'm really looking forward to this... I'll cut him some slack for Daredevil... It had some decent stuff, the effects weren't that great though.... This should definitely be released in the summer...
This looks so lame by jasper Stillwell	Nov 12th, 2006 04:17:08 PM
Really poor idea for a comic book movie, the trailer looked ridiculous and Nicholas Cage is the kiss of death these days surely?
GR RULES!! by El Borak	Nov 12th, 2006 04:47:41 PM
hopefully the movie will too. that sounded pretty cool. a lot of GR did take place in a city, so that's not a bad thing. as long as he burns up a lot of shit and scares people it sounds good to me.
Sweet by Thetick	Nov 12th, 2006 04:53:36 PM
I look forward to Nic Cage braking sharply and his wig flying down the road.
DD DC by the_shogun_gunslinger	Nov 12th, 2006 05:14:08 PM
whats the difference between the theatrical and director's cut of DD? i always thought that movie had potential.
mark steven johnson and dane davis by mikey mike	Nov 12th, 2006 05:14:23 PM
could it get any better than that. I hope ghost rider's voice kicks like a mule like the Dues Ex Machina voice that Davis did for "Revolutions"
MSJ wants to make Preacher? by Neo Zeed	Nov 12th, 2006 05:39:11 PM
He aint ready for that movie. Sorry.
Please, God, don't let that hack have "Preacher". by MattCG	Nov 12th, 2006 05:52:47 PM
I would kill a baby to prevent this abomination from ever coming into existence. A cute, blonde one.
DOOOOM by choptop	Nov 12th, 2006 06:51:37 PM
"In response, a fan stood up and said that the director's cut kicked ass and that it is one of his favorite comic movies. The auditorium applauded." OMG, I think I just shit my brain. I really want this movie to be good, but the dialog mentioned in the above description was awful, even for a comic movie. The action sounded shitty too. A fuckin chain tornado vortex thing to suck up a dust demon? A sad damn tale indeed.
the movie looks bad, but... by s0nicdeathmonkey	Nov 12th, 2006 07:35:18 PM
i don't think it's MSJ's fault. i get the vibe that he has a real passion for the project and is trying real hard. it's just that i donno how you're going to make a flaming skull look compelling as a main character.
Ghost Rider is one of my favs by Pipple	Nov 12th, 2006 07:42:33 PM
Can't wait. Thanks for the summary.
"I had the privilege of sitting in" by PervOmatic	Nov 12th, 2006 08:02:17 PM
Stopped reading right there...that is a total giveaway as to who wrote this.
On the fence by King Willy	Nov 12th, 2006 08:15:50 PM
I know I will get lynched, but I remember watching Daredevil in the movies and I walked away very satisfied. It is easy for me to say this as I had no real relationship with the comics (2000 ad was my thing). What impressed me was the tone. I loved the cinematography; it was gritty and felt real. That upped the stakes is it conveyed that we lived in the same world as what was happening in the movie. and I actually like Ben’s portrayal. He didn’t look like he enjoyed being a super hero and he did for me come across as tortured. Funny is I watched it again on cable and it felt not quite poor, but medoicre, I still loved the style, but it conflicted with many of the villains campness (yes you Mr Colin). I enjoyed Bullseye as a guilty pleasure, but he stood out too much. Many of the moves (the fight in the park, where laughable) and it betrayed the gritty tone that I admired on the 1st viewing. When I freind lent me the DD I was not blown away but it was an improvement. It was interesting, but I imagine if this had been my 1st viewing it would have felt bloated and maybe boring. That said the poor Mark got screwed by the studio. I remember there was an entire segment on the interference of the studio for his suit. They didn’t want it red as it was too close to Spiderman. I was amazed that he was able to finish the film with that sort of pressure. We may cane daredevil on the internet sites, but it’s a decent but flowed movie, but once you realise the pain Mark went through it is a testament to his skill and drive. Now I’m not sold on the trailers of GR and Nic looks as if his lines are delivered with so much irony that he looks like he’s thinking, “I still can’t believe people are paying this money to talk shit and look bored in their movies, let’s ride.
ghost rider should have been a '70s explotation film by van_line	Nov 12th, 2006 08:46:48 PM
The best possible GR movie they could make would be one that has the grindhouse approach, violent, dark and not for kids.
shotgun_slinger: by Lou C.	Nov 12th, 2006 08:49:42 PM
The changes to the DD DC are fairly significant. (Spoilers Ahead) First of all, a character played by Coolio is inserted back into the film. His case is taken by DD and Foggy, and it makes Foggy a more important character in the film. The case ties into the Kingpin, which, in turn gives more screen time to Michael Clarker Duncan and Leland Orser. Joe Pantaliano's Ben also has a more fleshed out part. The key change I really liked, though, was that Daredevil and Elektra do not sleep together. The longing Daredevil feels when she "dies" is now not that he lost someone he fell in love with in the course of a day or two, it's based on his longing for what might have been. The really sad part is listening to the producer talk about how he really felt like it needed to be a 90-minute film and he proceeds to defend the original version. My question is, shouldn't they have known from the beginning that Johnson's script was going to run about two hours, and when did they plan on telling him they needed to hack the movie down to 90 minutes? And did they not notice that some of the best comic book adaptations have been films that ran in the 2-hour range (like the Spider-Man films)? I admit to enjoying the theatrical release of Daredevil, but I recognized it had many, many flaws for me. The director's cut cleared up many of them and, in my opinion, is a far better film.
CarmillaVonDoom by James418	Nov 12th, 2006 08:52:33 PM
Zarathos is first mentioned by name in Ghost Rider #76, dated Jan.'83. GR debuted in Marvel Spotlight #5, dated August 1972. That's 11 Years.
Wow by zebra	Nov 12th, 2006 09:01:28 PM
I wish I had a photographic memory so that I could remember 8 minutes of a movie in complete detail.
sounds AWFUL by Daddylonghead	Nov 12th, 2006 09:15:34 PM
Nicholas Cage = Bald and Unbearable
Cage's acting gives me diarrhea by gildersleeve	Nov 12th, 2006 09:29:11 PM
so I think I'll pass on this
AWESOME REPORT NORVELL!!!! by tomasginther	Nov 12th, 2006 10:04:23 PM
I wasn't able to get to there myself, even though I'm not far (Houston). But I think it's great that MSJ asked the studio to send him to Arlington. Arlington sucks. Johnson must really want to take care of the fans to bother going there. Cool that he cares so much. Other directors should take not -- make the fans happy first.
PREACHER! by WHALEBLUBBER	Nov 12th, 2006 10:08:28 PM
MSJ SHOULD do Preacher. That's one of the best comics ever written and would make an incredible movie, except that it would need to be at least three movies to be done right.
Sounds very cool by JackKennedy	Nov 12th, 2006 10:15:21 PM
I like that fact that they're just going balls out with this and making it a good time. You can trash Cage all you want but at least he's not boring. He doesn't take himself too seriously. I will definitely go opening weekend to see his skin fry off of his skull.
Cage's Acting Give You Diarrhea? by valetparkingguy	Nov 12th, 2006 10:28:52 PM
That sucks for you, cuz he's in a new movie about every weekend. He's probably in Happy Feet for all we know. Seriously, Nic, take a break. Get some rest. Ghost Rider sounds cool, though. Pretty ballsy to show that much of the movie knowing it would get leaked out.
Nic Cage... by Freefinger	Nov 12th, 2006 10:36:36 PM
yes I also feel he just doesn't work in a movie the treats SuperHeroes... I don't know... His maneurisms are way too weird, his face just doesn't resonate with me for GR or Supe's (well.. he was attached once..). He was great in Face Off, and God of war, but those are the kind of roles that make his presence great. Ghost Rider.. I don't know... We'll have to wait to completely say it was a bad choice, but right now.. I just don't see him in the role. Seems a little bit out of place for my taste. He'll have to pull one hell of a big rabbit out of the hat to get me to give it a thumbs up. Just the fact that they pushed this to Feb seems to be a clear indicator that the film is just not up to par.
valetparkingguy by valetparkingguy	Nov 12th, 2006 10:40:35 PM
I actually think that Cage's weirdness is what makes him right for Ghost Rider. You mention FACE OFF and it's that kind of manic energy and over the top acting that could make Ghost Rider a wild time. It certainly won't the dark, brooding superhero with a secret angle and I think that's good. Let his skin burn off, let Nic bug his eyes out, let him go fucking batshit crazy and I'm there.
in reponse... by Freefinger	Nov 12th, 2006 10:49:10 PM
IN REPONSE TO: valetparkingguy I hope you're right... reeeaaalllyyy do... 'cause I've been dying to see a movie made on GR, and now that they've finally done it, I'm second guessing it... 'specially the whole "other ghost riders from the past thing..." Wasn't this done with .. oh I don't know... SPAWN? I mean if you're about to steal some ideas, do some that were good, not this. Could come out right, could come out wayyyyyy wrong.. we'll just have to see... IN REPONSE TO: zebra.... I gotta agree, that whole photgraphic memory thing is amazing... I also wish I could do that... man the guy's a freaking moachine to remember all of that in so many details, hope he had a script handed to him 'cause that's pure fu**ing genious... I have problems remembering what happened last night, the guy remebers every detail... wow..
Other Ghost Riders by Dick Testicle	Nov 12th, 2006 10:58:05 PM
The original old west Ghost Rider was first called the Phantom Rider, rode on horseback, fought indians, etc. Later his name was changed to the Ghost Rider, back in the 40's or 50's, regardless -- it was WAY before Todd McFarlane was even born. The concept of an earlier Ghost Rider is not a reinvention of the source material. Spawn ripped off Ghost Rider, not the other way around.
I WAS THERE!!! by KaptainKurt	Nov 12th, 2006 11:11:24 PM
I was the one who asked MSJ about other comic to film translations. He signed my Director's Cut DVD afterwards. I asked for a photograph and the security guard (a big DICK BTW) said "no photos" but MSJ just laughed and said "of course." I took up about five minutes of his time even though the line was huge. Really nice fucking guy. And it's true about the footage they showed. I swear to God I got fucking goosebumps.
One more thing... by KaptainKurt	Nov 12th, 2006 11:20:20 PM
Ghost Rider flipping the cops the bird got a HUGE laugh. Then he gave a great cackle and took off riding down the river. It was the look on the cop's face that cracked everybody up.
pffff... first audience to see it- bah humbug! by Russman	Nov 12th, 2006 11:20:54 PM
I saw it back in Jan. And I liked it.
Dick Testicle... by Freefinger	Nov 12th, 2006 11:22:21 PM
You just corrected me.. I appologize.. Did the other GR ever communicate with each other (Just curious..)... I still think putting this in the movie was not a great one, they should concentrate on one at a time, you know, since this movie will have critics all over, might as well concentrate on one and do it right the first time around... I'm crossing my fingers on this one!
Freefinger by Dick Testicle	Nov 12th, 2006 11:30:13 PM
The fact that you're willing to apologize to someone who calls himself Dick Testicle is a testament to your stature! The Ghost Rider from the old west along with the later 90's Danny Ketch Ghost Rider and the Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider did, in fact, have some storylines where they fought side by side. Danny and Johnny even ended up being related. Regardless, I get the feeling that the Old West Ghost Rider is only a small part of the movie and that this is the Johnny Blaze version for most of the movie. Most likely a handing off of the torch kind of thing. Who knows? I am, however, really excited about the flick. I just think it's looks like a blast.
here's the 2 GRs by El Borak	Nov 12th, 2006 11:47:47 PM
delete the space. http://img.photobucket.com /albums/v376/thejeditraitor/HG GD.jpg
He writhes on the ground screaming as his flesh starts growing b by PeterPeterPeter	Nov 13th, 2006 12:49:57 AM
I'm going to this movie.
Allow me to finish... by PeterPeterPeter	Nov 13th, 2006 12:51:03 AM
"He writhes on the ground screaming as his flesh starts growing back over the bone, forming muscle, and then skin, to become Johnny Blaze. The transition effects are excellent and merge seamlessly. The audience reacts, as it looks painful." That's all I needed to hear.
Sounds Big by Billy Bob 2	Nov 13th, 2006 01:07:28 AM
Like "Terminator 2" big. Won't know until I see it for myself, but that's a hell of a segment.
To be fair, there's definitely an audience for this. by pcpandfistfite	Nov 13th, 2006 01:31:34 AM
A gay, retarded audience.
Why bring Jesse, Cassiday, & Tulip into this.... by stereochad	Nov 13th, 2006 02:25:49 AM
Why they didn't do nothin to deserve the cruel fate of having their story being told by the same arse(s) who made that crap Daredevil movie. Preacher will only translate it's greatness if told by either A) HBO - or - B) A director with real vision (think Scorsese, Tarantino, Boyle, Besson, Ratner, etc...) over a multi-part story arc. Vertigo titles need real directors, as they don't have the name cache of the big two comics houses stable of characters. Did you see the abortion that was Constantine? I didn't. nuff' said
That's funny because I included Ratner' in with..... by stereochad	Nov 13th, 2006 02:31:04 AM
the real directors. That is all.
stereochad by DirkD13"	Nov 13th, 2006 04:33:46 AM
how can you say that constantine was an abortion if you've never seen it?
that scene with the window cleaner sounds like comedy g by teh ran	Nov 13th, 2006 07:40:01 AM
I mean, I would never have thought to insert a scene like that into a movie! I just hope they have the sense to film a scene with a bum in the park who double takes his whisky only to ceromonioulsy dump it on the grass in a mock 'what is this sh*t, I'm drinking' disbelieving way. I'm sorry but all credibility left the conversation at that point.
Even if this guy was a plant... by Childe Roland	Nov 13th, 2006 08:42:03 AM
...what he describes sounds cool enough for me. I trust this director. Daredevil, even the theatrical release, was closer to its comic source material than 99% of comic book movies out there. The theatrical version didn't make for a very good movie because a good chunk of what makes Matt Murdock compelling (the constant dilemma he faces as a lawyer and a vigilante) got cut out. The Director's Cut truly is a lot better if you're a comic fan (I could see how a casual moviegoer with no comic background might find it a bit slow, though). Anyway, everything I've seen from Ghost Rider so far gives me hope. And I think Cage has finally found the superhero (well, more of a monster, really) part he was born to play (maybe because he can ditch the bad wig for most of his scenes). Fonda and Elliot are just gravy at this point.
The Transformation by Ciggees	Nov 13th, 2006 08:48:23 AM
If you saw that fucking INTENSE transformation clip on Youtube then you know how cool this movie is going to be. Best. Scene. Ever.
In case you haven't seen it by Ciggees	Nov 13th, 2006 08:55:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =rIT4Lg5Rlmk
Could be good by godzillasushi	Nov 13th, 2006 09:11:42 AM
I wonder how great the effects are.
Flaming SKULL FX by Jellyfishing	Nov 13th, 2006 09:37:56 AM
Have gotten much better on this movie over the past year. REmember that first trailer? It looked terrible. But the latest trailer and the transformation both look awesome. Good thing they delayed this to get it right.
Bleh by Ricky Henderson	Nov 13th, 2006 10:22:56 AM
I really don't care much about skeletons that are on fire and can ride motorcycles up the sides of buildings. Call me crazy.
COOL by JackKennedy	Nov 13th, 2006 10:27:58 AM
Funny, I was just thinking the exact opposite -- the idea of a flaming skeleton riding a motorcycle up a building is about the coolest visual ever. At least you can't say that you've seen that before. I will be there.
My beef with M.S.J. is... by maceodkat	Nov 13th, 2006 04:07:50 PM
that dude cant make a good movie. DD sucked & I cant even sit through Electra. Both movies looked great in 30 second, or in this case 8 1/2 min intervals, mostly because you not forced to sit through the craptastic work of this hack. everytime some jerkoff fails to make a buck, who pays? the beloved & oft ingnored, fan. DD should've been a no brainer winner introducing us to punisher and the seedy world of hells kitchen. electra is one of marvels most badass babes, and her film was horrendous. studios think downloading & pulling a Cpt. Jack are the sole reason that studios cant get ahead, when really this clown (and i'm putting him in the same league as Boll, M.D.) is pissing on our (fanboy, if you have to pigeon hole it) art and f'ing it up for serious directors that WANT to translate cool and exciting storylines from the pages of the most illustrous of illustrated masterpieces. some folks might not see GR, or DD, or anything thats not X or Spidey realted, not worthy of a serious go-around, but I have to sorely disagree. I usually like to "make mine marvel", but i'm a big fan comics across the board and look forward to sin city 2 & 300. Snyder & RR have proven that you can make great comic into a FANtastic film.
Puh-lant! by onemanarmy	Nov 13th, 2006 07:20:56 PM
Sorry but I have to call B.S. on this dude. Without some sort of recording device, or uncanny note-taking skills...who the fuck could honestly remember everything this guy put in his review. All that aside...I love GR, and I can't wait to see this movie.
maceodkat, you are a dumbass by WHALEBLUBBER	Nov 13th, 2006 07:54:24 PM
DD the Director's Cut is one of the best comic book movies made. If you haven't seen it you need to shut the fuck up. "DD shoud've been a no brainer winner introducing us to punisher and the seedy world of hells kitchen?" Punisher? WTF are you talking about? Punisher has nothing to do with the DD story and to suggest it means you have not idea what you're talking about. MSJ didn't write or direct Elektra, he only has an obligatory producer credit because of Daredevil movie. Know your shit before you try to speak for the rest of us geeks.

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