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Americans Have No Imagination... HOSTEL 2 teaser hits Yahoo!

Fuck the haters... by Messiahman	Oct 27th, 2006 06:40:14 PM
Can't wait for this.
Woo-hoo- More torture porn by Lovecraftfan	Oct 27th, 2006 06:40:19 PM
The horror genre is either dead or dying
3rd... by Buzzsawlenny	Oct 27th, 2006 06:45:51 PM
hostel was ok...i've seen worse
This isn't 'cool' news. by MattCG	Oct 27th, 2006 06:49:45 PM
I'd like to gag Eli Roth to death with a severed horse cock. Him and anyone else who thinks this is a 'horror' film and not serial killer porn.
Looks like... by SebastianHaff	Oct 27th, 2006 06:58:19 PM
Most of the people around here are just too cool for school. Me? I like gore. I like boobies. I like frat boy humor. Count me in. Eli is the Dude and I support his brand of merry mischief making. Pancakes, motherfucker.
Real horror movies are over by alienindisguise	Oct 27th, 2006 07:02:37 PM
blood and guts soaking the screen does not equal horror but since that's the way the idiots want it, that's what they'll get each and every month or sometimes every week.
Why Bother? by Igouptoeleven	Oct 27th, 2006 07:02:45 PM
Poor first film. Second will be just as bad.
Yaaaaawn..... by veritasses	Oct 27th, 2006 07:05:23 PM
Wake me when it's on DVD.
And Eli Roth Seemed So Promising... by popjunkie	Oct 27th, 2006 07:16:24 PM
Lowered expectations...as always nowadays.
Hostel Blew by TheWacoKid	Oct 27th, 2006 07:20:15 PM
Hostel was trash. It would of been better if they didn't spend over the half the movie having guys tramp around Europe. Aren't horror movies supposed to be scary? I understand that you have to set up the characters, but 50 minutes until any action? Ridiculous. It was an awesome 30 minute show, if only the horror was longer.
"Torture porn" by Barry Egan	Oct 27th, 2006 07:22:18 PM
In order for this to qualify as porn, wouldn't it have to be of real people actually getting tortured? That said, I don't see where the entertainment value is in this shit. I like gore when it services an actual story, but when the whole show is just watching people be tortured to deah I don't see the fun.
I was only pissed off about the first film... by half vader	Oct 27th, 2006 07:24:55 PM
Because there turned out to only be HALF a film! What, they run outside and that's pretty much IT? Sorta like the first Men in Black where the whole thing only feels like the prologue (less said about 2 the better). Do I get to see this for free then? For all that meat there wasn't much well, meat on part 1.
I'll give the credit for having a few good ideas and... by vivavitalogy	Oct 27th, 2006 07:34:02 PM
a little style but that's about it. It's writers/directors like this that piss off film students with just as much talent (if not more) and not as much luck.
Saw III SUCKED by El Scorcho	Oct 27th, 2006 07:41:16 PM
And I enjoyed the first two. Avoid it. It sucks worse than Hostel (which sucked pretty hard in its own right).
Join the haters by Stollentroll	Oct 27th, 2006 07:42:48 PM
Boring.
Hey, I'm Eli Roth! by thenewpulper	Oct 27th, 2006 08:08:42 PM
And I think I'm bigger than the films I make. Because I've made so... many... classic films... yeah.
No imagination, my ass! by thebearovingian	Oct 27th, 2006 08:16:36 PM
It's a highly overactive (or drugged up) mind that says, "I really think people want to see a sequel to Hostel!"
JEEEZZZZZZZZZZZ....Most ridiculous German voice ever... by Kaiser13	Oct 27th, 2006 08:20:29 PM
I can understand that Non-German speakers wont care. Prolly the trailer voice sounds good for them because they dont understand the context and meaning of the words....but believe me..that voice is TERRIBLE for a native German speaker. It sounds hilarious...like a bad porn movie voice...hahahhahahhaha..."Hall o, Fräulein. Ich bin der Mesiter. Ficken?". Really. If you would understand it you would laugh your ass off...I dont understand why they dont have the money to get some professionals who can speak and understand German OR other languages. HOSTEL 1 was sooooo ridicolous. Dutch ppl speaking German, Slovakians speaking Czech...I can remember a sign at the German train station which said "Neu. Jetz am DVD. Grosse Hits". It was in Hostel 1....and its even not a sentence that makes sense....why? Why cant they only speak one English? I dont expect that someone will learn German for that film..but really...there must be someone who can speak it and help the HOSTEL guys not to make a bazilllion mistakes....because that is why NOONE takes Hostel serious in Europe. Everyhting is just so stupid and untrue...soo...full of idiotic clichees and stereotypes...just the fact that HOSTEL 1 took place in the near of the Slovakian capitol...which is 50 kilometres away from VIENNA...i wouldnt even call that Eastern Europe... Please Eli Roth...take care of those small things...because then HOSTEL 2 will MAYBE have a chance in Europe...and maybe noone will laugh about you then anymore...
Is Eli Roth the next M. Night Shaladifcvhvh? by Darth Evil Dead	Oct 27th, 2006 08:23:16 PM
Does this hack of a director think he is god's gift to directing all of a sudden? He puts his name before the title of his movies now? Eli Roths's Hostel 2 I can care less that Eli Roth is directing it...he has no directing talent. His directing style does not stick out... Why do I live in a age when Directors like Eli Roth, Uwe Bolle (SP), and M. Night Shahidrhofihofi thing they are bigger then the movies they make....and there movies suck donkey kong.
Torture Porn by Cory849	Oct 27th, 2006 08:25:00 PM
No... Softcore porn is still called porn even though the sex is simulated. Besides - why quibble? its an excellent phrase to describe something like hostel. Another great phrase I heard for it it "Gorno movies" which I thought was pretty clever. Lets use AICN to make that one catch on. The Gorno genre.
Love Eli Roth by charlesgrodinsux	Oct 27th, 2006 08:33:19 PM
He's such a cool guy. And I like his comedy. He's funny. And all you haters are lame.
wow such hatred by mikey mike	Oct 27th, 2006 08:36:33 PM
I love Roth. he made a simple horror movie that didn't require on some dumbass in a mask or a little girl that lives in a well. he did something different and instead of being respected for it, you people accuse of him being egotiscal? and to the dumbass accusing him of being like Shymalan the "Eli Roth's Hostel" thing isn't his idea. it's the studios so please check the facts before you start talking out of your ass
ELI ROTH SUCKS!!!!!!! by davelvfx	Oct 27th, 2006 08:48:08 PM
the first hostel was such a lame ass piece of cheesy shit.... with the worst make up ever done........this guy is a hack and couldn't scare a 2 your old girl........
Torture Porn? by godoffireinhell	Oct 27th, 2006 08:52:22 PM
You're all a bunch of pussies. Go watch som AUGUST UNDERGROUND, MORDUM and MURDER SET PIECES as well as all the GUINEA PIG and RED ROOM flicks and NIKU DARUMA: THE SNUFF FILES. Then we can talk about some torture porn.
Couldn't give a damn about the HOSTEL films by Harry Weinstein	Oct 27th, 2006 09:19:22 PM
But that's a good teaser anyway. Ironic that we rarely get subtitled dialog in trailers for actual foreign films.
Ever been to art house theatres? by vivavitalogy	Oct 27th, 2006 09:26:19 PM
Lots there.
My Theory on Rabid Hostel Haters... by Henry Fool	Oct 27th, 2006 09:28:53 PM
Yes, we're all geeks here on this site but I like to think I'm pretty comfortable with this aspect of my character. When Hostel was making the film festival circuit it was generally regarded as being an important work of horror by a major new voice in the genre, Eli Roth. It was an slasher film that craftily used its depravity to explore its own theme, exploitation. The film obviously wasn't without it its fans. It grossed over $50 million and actually managed to score some good reviews. Yet there's an abundance of people on this site who absolutely detest. I'm sure some of them really just didn't think it was a very good movie. Opinions are like assholes... yadayadayada. Still, to those who rail about how it wasn't scary, I humble offer this retort. Hostel was scary to most of the people who saw it but they hated it because it tapped a nerve they didn't want tapped. Like I said, we're all geeks here. We love to brag about how smart we are to protect ourselves from the all those times we did nothing when the jocks shoved us in the hall. When we watch horror films, we laugh when the blonde coed gets decapitated because we know if it were us we would have picked up the chainsaw instead of the flashlight and we sure as Hell wouldn't have run upstairs. But, let's face it, if we wandered into a Slovakian hostel, found ourselves being caressed by lovely Eastern European women in a coed bathhouse, lavished with drugs and sex, well we'd eat that shit up like a fly in a fertilizer factory. And then we'd wake up strapped in a chair, cringing to the sound of power tools warming up somewhere in the room, where we can't quite turn around enough to see what the final moments of our meager lives have planned for us. Hostel didn't just rip some teenage guts out, it showed us how pathetic we'd be if we were in a real horror film. And I think there's a lot of people who just couldn't handle watching that...
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I really wish I could like this guy. by beefywhore	Oct 27th, 2006 09:57:04 PM
Eli Roth is a guy you can tell loves gore, and I can totally appreciate that. I also love me some gore. He also wants REALLY BAD to be a respectable film maker, and it should be really refreshing that he is making original films instead of remaking stuff like Night of the Creeps, and Fright Night... But sadly I just can't get on board with this web site and all its love for Mr Roth. Cabin Fever was a mediocre attempt at best for a first time director..nothing special just lots of gore. I could get past that seeing as it WAS his first film, if he had learned from his mistakes when he made another one, but he didn't, and we all wound up sitting through 2 more hours of straight-up mediocre. The feeling I get when I see an Eli Roth picture is sort of like Eli thinks he is the definitive horror fan, and everyone else is just not up to his standard, so he's going to show us just what it is to love horror and gore. He's certainly not the first filmmaker to make me feel this way (I'm looking at you M.Night Shamalamadingdong) but as a true fan of the Horror Genre he's the first one who ever took it far enough for me to feel genuinely insulted by it. I'm not saying he's the only filmmaker to insult my intelligence (I'm looking at you Roland Emmerich, I mean Michael Bay, I mean Paul W.S.Anderson) but as a fellow horror enthusiast, here's a guy who I should be cheering on all the way, but I'm just not. And hey I'm definately not out there making movies so I guess I should give him props for just doing that at least, but there's plenty of people who make good horror who deserve my $10.50 for a ticket. Maybe that makes me sound like a whiny bitch, but I'm ok with that. I've been called worse.
No matter what all of our opinions are on Hostel by BigStar	Oct 27th, 2006 10:11:21 PM
I think I can safely say that we all agree that the Saw movies are far, far shittier than any movie Eli Roth can think up. Having said that, it seems really obvious that Hostel wanted to be more provocative than it really was. The whole half-baked political subtext was a mess. I hope that he rises above his stupid frat boy tendancies and let's face it, that's where torture porn essentially comes from: frat boy mentalities.
Henry Fool by shutterghost	Oct 27th, 2006 10:14:08 PM
Well said. I whole-heartedly agree. By the by- Saw this attached to Saw 3. Thought the first one was fun, second was decent enough. The third made very little sense and threw in seemingly important pieces that added up to nothing. I agree with the other guy-Save your money
I don't get it.... by whereAMeye	Oct 27th, 2006 10:26:10 PM
So it's fun to pick on americans and call us people without imagination when it comes to the torture and murder of the innocent? Yawn. I'll stick to the original texas chainsaw massacre. Fuck Eli Roth.
Why Hostel Sucked! by Nairb The Movie	Oct 27th, 2006 10:27:57 PM
Because as far as writing a movie goes, Eli Roth is terrible. The death of the point of the view character completely skewed any and all viacarious nature of the piece. It kept the viewers on the outside....................... .............................. .............................. .............................. .............................. .............................. ......................... That an Eli Roth is a homophobic, idiotic, frat boy, asshole who someone accidently gave money to.
And another thing that PISSES me off.... by whereAMeye	Oct 27th, 2006 10:41:40 PM
Last november I spent two weeks in amsterdam. The first two nites were spent at the flying pig...then I went over to "the shelter" for a decent nights sleep. After that.....Every FUCKING person I spoke to said the same goddamn fucking thing when I told them I stayed at a hostel. No questions about the red light, no questions about the anne frank house, no questions about the canals, no questions about the van gogh museum, only a few questions about the coffee ( cough cough) houses, no questions about the bad ass diverse ethnic restaurants and NOTHING about the rijksmuseus. No. Only if I saw fucking "HOSTEL". For one thing, by that time I knew the movie STARTS in fucking amsterdam with a majority of the film in slovakia. Another thing I knew that the whole "mystique" that my fellow texans DID'NT know is that they are hardly the front for some sort of torture disneyland where hapless backpackers are killed. And for the above I can only thank eli roth. I can thank him for being the fucking HACK that he strives to be. Forget that little mouth-breathing nerd that wrote that "eragon" bullshit....Eli Roth has won some sort of bizarre lottery where his "vision" is embraced as hip and oh-so cool. When I go back to europe I had better not see any of you little 'hostel' loving freaks around the streets of prague looking for the nearest "Irreversible" -type sex club with buckets of crisco and a donkey show. You cross my path and I'll give you an atomic wedgie that'll make your eyes roll to the back of your skull...take your passport, Ipod and stack of euros and send you back to montana. Go back to rubbing on Eli Cock.
SEXIST?? by Garzwud	Oct 27th, 2006 10:44:33 PM
How can you call Hostel sexist? Ladies trapped stupid, ignorant beer swilling bell-end american stereotypes. Sexist? No. Stereotypical americans who got what they deserved through ignorance? Yes. And you didn't actually see any proper flange so I don't count this as actual expoiltation in the female sense. It's about how a fanny is the most barbaric, primal and brutal force is. How is that sexist? is just just a fact of life my pre-pubesent friends
Such anger towards Mr. Roth by CondomWrapper	Oct 27th, 2006 10:59:05 PM
My God, it's like you guys take Hostel personally. Calm down, it's only a horror movie. I guess I'm one of the few here who thought Hostel was a clever horror film that presented a stereotypical American fantasyland of Europe (smoking dope, women with liberal sexual values, awesome red light districts, etc...). Of course Roth's representation of Europe is unrealistic, that's part of the fucking point! And, like someone mentioned above, it really is about different levels of exploitation. I think some of you need to visit a coffee shop in Holland to relax a little...Or just blame Michael Bay...Damn you Michael Bay!
Fantasy vs. Reality: Why most can't handle HOSTEL by youridol	Oct 27th, 2006 10:59:06 PM
The internet has exposed how fucked up the world is. Which takes the fun out of movies like HOSTEL. This commentary by Tim Lucas illustrates the point very accurately, “As I've been watching episodes from Universal's ALFRED HITCHCOCK PRESENTS - SEASON ONE, I've found myself responding warmly to an aspect of the show that we just don't have anymore in our entertainment, and it's stoked a rather perverse form of nostalgia in me. I'm charmed by the way Mr. Hitchcock (as host) could discuss the premise of homicide -- even suicide -- with such exquisitely dry humor. I'm equally dazzled that he could take this approach to his weekly stories without having his tongue-in-cheek attitude contaminate the stories at hand. (You'll remember Hitchcock's wonderful trailers for PSYCHO and THE BIRDS, both delightfully funny, which is something no one ever accused those two films of being.) At the outset of "The Case of Mr. Pelham," a doppelgänger fantasy, he actually apologizes at the top of the program because viewers may be disappointed at not receiving their weekly dose of "mayhem" -- meaning murder. What a sane society it must have been. The nature of Hitchcock's intros underscore how tied the concept of domestic murder was, in those days, to fantasy. Yes, murder was then a fact of life and we were only a decade away since a devastating World War, but somehow it could be dramatized and presented as a form of escapism. I can remember when some of the later seasons of ALFRED HITCHCOCK PRESENTS were actually aired, and how the grown-ups around me always chuckled at them and treated them as stress-relieving, as a kind of tonic. In the 1980s, NBC colorized the Hitchcock intros and brought the show back, but it didn't last for more than a season -- the notion of murder was no longer so tongue-in-cheek, and the show played differently, quaint and out of its time, even with new actors in the parts and redone in color. Today, things are even worse; there is no much violence and abuse in our world, in the news, and its all so realistically and extremely treated in network crime series, it's impossible to think lightly of homicide anymore, in the way that was once so central to the enjoyment of mystery fiction and the celebrity of a director who is still, curiously, universally beloved by the common man. Hitchcock spoke to his audience as if every man watching his program secretly wanted to kill his wife, and vice versa -- and they ate it up. People had a sense of humor about it in those days... because they could. The majority of people were then sane; they didn't imitate what they saw on television, at least not in epidemic numbers. I think we lost something important, as a society, when we lost our ability to laugh at things like this. When we could no longer laugh at someone killing their spouse and failing to get away with it by some terrible last-second twist of ironic fate, it meant that we had started taking such notions too seriously -- and not necessarily out of social concern.”
i just watched saw 3....holy...fuck. by jig98	Oct 27th, 2006 11:06:54 PM
it was soooo god awful. it was just unwatchable from start till the final 6 minutes. {spoilers} the music sounded like a horror re-vamping of paul mccartney's live and let die. obviously. and i did like how they got split second images of the first 2 movies{which i completely stayed away from} all in just half a minute when so many people got fucked in the ass. it was just crazy. and just a piece of shit. the calm before the storm has begun.
This genre is getting stale... by JunoFallon	Oct 27th, 2006 11:17:47 PM
I miss the good ole days of slasher flicks and even clever plot twist horror movies. These "brutal for the sake of being brutal" movies irritate me. I enjoyed the first Saw movie, but i've gotten to the point where I don't wish to see this type of flick anymore. Am I alone on this one?
The real Saw III question is.... by whereAMeye	Oct 27th, 2006 11:35:15 PM
Does that stupid murderous bitch get killed or not?
That was a cocktease of a trailer if I ever saw one... by NubtheSquirrel	Oct 27th, 2006 11:49:50 PM
I found the first Hostel okay. I didn't think it was the second coming of Horror or anything like that. My biggest issue with is was the fact that they spent so much fucking time following these assholes that you inevitably hate this whole time only to see them tortured almost an hour into the movie. I am all about the gore. I am all about the naked ladies too. But at least be consistent and don't try to make two seperate movies. I am at least hoping to see Bijou Phillips naked no less than six times in this flick. I think I will inevitably go see this in the theater just to satisfy my morbid curiosity...
Hostel didn't suck... by grendel824	Oct 28th, 2006 12:02:42 AM
It was decent. It actually had things like plot and theme and wasn't just "gore" or "torture porn" like idiots like to call it. I have my doubts about a sequel, but I'll likely see it on the strength of the first one, though I'll likely wait for a rental.
godoffireinhell and Henry Fool.... by MattCG	Oct 28th, 2006 12:09:11 AM
godoffireinhell: Seen those and you know what they all have in common? They sucked copious amounts of ass. I'll say in for the billionth time: Gore and Sadism without context and characters you care for = Shit. Henry Fool: It's not that it 'tapped a nerve', it's that it didn't. I didn't give a flying fuck about the characters and when they started getting their tendons chopped and their knees power drilled, I just didn't care. It was like porn. It was so pervasive and just....there, it ceased to be effective and predictably I started wishing to God whoever was doing the torture would hurry the hell up and just kill them so I could go home. It was shocking or disturbing, it was just tired. But, then the movie didn't even have the courage to be the perverse sack of shit that it wanted to be by having the main character get away and get revenge at the end. That was so fucking stupid I just couldn't stand it. Also, some people talk about the asian girl and point to her as something that disturbed them. To these people I say: FUCK THE ASIAN GIRL! EVERYONE IN THIS MOVIE GOT WHAT THEY FUCKING DESERVED!!! That was the problem. No one to root for and when you don't care, violence is rendered meaningless. That's my fucking problem with "Hostel". It's just a shitty movie, by a hack director who couldn't coax a feeling out you if he got down on his knees and sucked your cock.
Please tell me this.... by runfoodrun	Oct 28th, 2006 12:22:03 AM
Hostel could have been brilliant, the idea there is a place on earth where people will take you and other people will butcher you just for their enjoyment, think of it in the hands of Fincher or someone who can create tension with atmosphere and mood. It's a terrifying, scary idea then, but as presented it just made me want to throw up, it wasn't scary, just gross, and there is a major difference in the two. Scary is TCM the orginal, so real, so f'up. But Saw and Hostel only offer gore, which seems to be where the genre is and it's thriving, boy, wouldn't it be coool to see something that is intense, viseral, and scary (Oldboy anyone?) rather than just gross?
Uh Henry Fool by MrCere	Oct 28th, 2006 01:30:30 AM
I didn't like Hostel not because I was uncomfortable but because it was lame. It was also an ugly film and pornography but not because of a message or theme but to make a buck. It shocked the public. It made $50 mil and the next one will make some cash too. The 'torture' genre is played and it never was that good.
Great, so.... by TheSeeker7	Oct 28th, 2006 01:33:00 AM
Like many other tired, unnecessary sequels, it looks like it's basically gonna be the same story all over again? A few American kids unwittingly get duped into being tortured in this pseudoprison?
And though I'm not a big fan of horror anyway.... by TheSeeker7	Oct 28th, 2006 01:36:11 AM
... generally speaking I do feel horror is best when it's mental, internal for the viewer, when most of the terrror is in fact offscreen. With the first Hostel, Roth just seemed to try and gore the audience to death, making them want to vomit or something. Learn that less is more, kiddo, I'd say.
Is Saw III really worse than Saw II? by BillEmic	Oct 28th, 2006 01:38:48 AM
I'm seeing a ton of negative buzz here about Saw III. But is it really worse than Saw II? Honestly? I'd love a non-spoiler summary of why Saw III sucks so much.
Meh!!! by stemjsim	Oct 28th, 2006 02:12:26 AM
I really do not understand this love for Hostel. I was expecting a gory film with blood everywhere and a bit of horror but all I got was a few bits here and there, hardly the "Torture Porn" that this site was making it out to be. The Hills Have Eyes remake, now there is a violent, bloody and horrific film. Oh Btw I just watched House of the Dead 2 and that film is more horrific and gory than Hostel. Eli Roth seems to be trying too hard to be the next big thing in Horror and the fact he is a loudmouth doesn't help his cause, here is hoping he starts to believe less of his own hype and concetrates on making movies
you know what was a good "torture" movie? by tibbar	Oct 28th, 2006 02:27:23 AM
oldboy. had a plot, had the twists, had the gore (not alot, but an effective amount), had the overall intensity. guess why? cuz i REALLY wanted the main character to overcome his torture/punishment.
Good call, youridol. by Uncapie	Oct 28th, 2006 02:29:42 AM
Its quantity, not quality anymore. The garbage they call horror movies today doesn't even touch what Hitch, Roald Dahl or Rod Sterling created.
hey, you know what ELSE was a good horror flick? by tibbar	Oct 28th, 2006 02:31:26 AM
suspiria. you wanna know why? atmosphere and tension. it didnt need to really be very gory at all. i think the worst thing we see in that is a chest get stabbed and the heart blow a few bubbles. the rest of the 90 minutes is all lighting, music and surreal detatched acting.
I don't by stemjsim	Oct 28th, 2006 02:48:13 AM
hate Eli Roth, his movies aren't even as enjoyable as AvP, Alone in the Dark or even the masterpiece that is Mr Nanny
you buffanoons !! by axemurder	Oct 28th, 2006 03:03:42 AM
get our yourselves. Hostel was a cool ride. fucking americans.
what is a "buffanoons"? by tibbar	Oct 28th, 2006 03:10:08 AM

The real reason why so many people hate Eli Roth... by LeiaDown&FuckHer	Oct 28th, 2006 03:13:46 AM
They saw his movies. Really, that's all it takes. The fucker makes Uwe Boll look like David Lean.
didn't give anything to hate on....didn't show much by wolvenom	Oct 28th, 2006 03:37:53 AM
Im glad eli roth is doing this sequal... atleast it probably will more likely be as good or better as the first with him at the helm rather than some plant by a studio exec just to cash in on hostel's popularity. I just hope there's a little bit more of a plot in Hostel 2... some characters we can actually give a shit about it. I didn't really care in the first one whether that guy bit the dust or not.
torture porn is right, nice distraction but no story by wolvenom	Oct 28th, 2006 03:43:20 AM
Horror needs good storytelling to survive but not drawn out made up legend, and myth storytelling... a horror film should be 30% storytelling (myth, symbolism, legends) 20% gore or torture porn a nd 50% strong character development and characters to care about.
As usual, Panterarocks... by DocPazuzu	Oct 28th, 2006 03:59:24 AM
...you have no clue. The term "torture porn" is used to describe films in which sadistic, tortuous violence is exploited in the same way that sex is in pornography. I knew you were dense before, but geez....
Hostel was just fine by DirkD13"	Oct 28th, 2006 04:04:11 AM
I don't understand such venomous hate for an above-average horror thriller. Maybe Roth should have a co-writer because he's got the ideas, but needs a bit more zest in his scripts, but at least he's making movies. And those people who keep using the phrase 'torture porn' and looking down on films like this and the Saw franchise, are probably well-versed in the so-called 'video nasties' which are far more exploitative of people's misery, or the works of Miike (Ichi The Killer is the worst perveyor of 'torture porn' i've ever seen). I think the trouble is many people just don't like Roth as a person. Yeah he's kinda smug and arrogant, and he's probably got bigger muscles and is better looking than you, but he's just a nerd trying to make his mark in his favourite genre. I'm personally loving the current horror resurgence (did it ever really go away though), I actually wasn't that big a horror fan before so this new wave of horror has prompted me to seek out and watch all the oldies that TBer's rave about. Yeah there's always plenty of shit in any genre (The Texas Chainsaw reboot's are awful) as well as good (Wolf Creek) and great (Audition, wow), so as long as guys are out there, doing what lazy bastards like me sit and daydream about, I say fair play and keep on trucking. You just know that there are kids out there watching the works of Roth, Aja, Marshall, Bousman etc who are going to make movies that you love, as a direct result of the very films that you hate so much, and for that reason alone, guys like Roth are insanely valuable artists. And at least he's not remaking old films. And thank fuck for the dearth of postmodern horror movies.
"You cannot simply create a term out of thin air." by DocPazuzu	Oct 28th, 2006 04:23:18 AM
You mean like "LIEberal" and "DEMONcrat", Panterarocks? Allow me to elaborate on how you're missing the point: "torture porn" refers to the function the depiction of torture in those films has, namely that of sheer titillation without any other purpose than said titillation -- much like the sex in most pornography. I'd wager that the torture in Hostel does for you exactly what the sex in conventional porn does for most others, which is why the term offends you so much. After all, you are the guy who bragged about having an oiled-up, one-on-one photo session with musclebound freak Jay Cutler in the last Conan talkback, yes?
Horror films just aren't scary enough by Babyshamble	Oct 28th, 2006 04:32:24 AM
I want to feel afraid not disgusted and very few Horror films manage that. This obsession with gore is pathetic. Hostel had a great premise but ended up just being another piece of crap. The only decent horror film I've seen in recent years was the descent. It actually had characters and a story! To be honest I don't know why so many of you still give a shit about horror when all you get back is Saw 3 and the texas chainsaw prequel remake. Wake me up when somebody does something original or interesting. Carrie was on T.V last night and I'm not saying it's terrifying but at least it's interesting and the bit where her mother goes mental is genuinely disturbing. I'd love to see someone like David Cronenberg tackle a new horror film. Or even Shyamalan, just something!
Homosexual squirrels by Franklin T Marmoset	Oct 28th, 2006 04:42:27 AM
I had read somewhere that this Mr Roth was set to direct a comedy film, which I thought was a good move for him. His most entertaining characters are the asshole-y ones, such as 'Homosexual Squirrel Man' and Mr Roth's own 'Faced Man', both from Cabin Fever. I think these types of characters work better in the comedy films (Stiffler, for example), where we can be amused by their asshole-y-ness without having to care whether another asshole might kill them and/or cut off their eyeballs. This was my problem with Hostel - that I didn't care whether these 'dudes' lived or died, which made it a very un-horrifying horror film. I would like to see this Eli Roth either give us characters to empathise with (Laurie Strode, for exmaple) or make a Porky's/American Pie type of film about young lads trying to put their wieners into things.
"Arbitrarily attributing meaning to something... by DocPazuzu	Oct 28th, 2006 04:42:52 AM
...doesn't make it so." .... On this we agree, "Pantera" "Rocks".
torture porn ISSSSSSSS RIGHT... by wolvenom	Oct 28th, 2006 04:51:03 AM
Its people getting jollies off of watching the torture of others either acted out on screen through fantasy or real... so stfu. HOSTEL was a lot of torture porn... most people found the only good part was the eyeball and the grose killing and blood, ie torture porn.. they got their jollies off of watching the gore rather than the story SO STFU
panterocks doesn't understand theconcept of new concept by wolvenom	Oct 28th, 2006 04:56:05 AM
the concept of people seeking and getting gratification from movies that are just full of explicit violence without story or substance doesn't have a fucking real word for it...... thus 'TORTURE PORN' works sufficiently as a general phrase to describe this concept. as long as the phrase is quoted i dont see a fucking problem with it if you want to get technical. SO STFU
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here you go barf bag... swallow that down by wolvenom	Oct 28th, 2006 04:59:55 AM
http://newyorkmetro.com/movies /features/15622/
TOO SOON by Pageiv	Oct 28th, 2006 06:03:28 AM
So what was the problem with Hostel?
Hostel was... by film_fanatic_in_the_original_bla ck_and_white	Oct 28th, 2006 06:21:26 AM
Shit on a Ritz. Easy going down, terrible after taste. And avoided ever since.
Stupid gross rubbish by Sepulchrave	Oct 28th, 2006 07:08:24 AM
All these iron stomach cretins blathering on about 'You're all a bunch of pussies. Go watch som AUGUST UNDERGROUND, MORDUM and MURDER SET PIECES..' This shit is the lowest form of human stupidity. Plot? Don't make me laugh. Mordum just about works as an exercise in makeup effects. It's empty of all and any intellectual content. People don't seem to get the idea that serial killing is not even remotely glamorous; it's incredibly stupid and repulsive. And there's no point in being a gorehound if ALL you want is gore, no invention, no humour or satire, nothing but the corn syrup and torn latex. These fans are the stupidest young men about; dull, preening humourless porn-addicts.
Oh and regarding the influence of porn by Sepulchrave	Oct 28th, 2006 07:12:18 AM
The influence of hardcore porn is everywhere in these films; the relentless microscopic obsession with close-ups. Knive and saws going in and out of bleeding pussy-wounds like steel cocks. The constant soundtrack of predominantly female shrieking, snivelling and begging 'Oh please don't, please stop'. It's all there and it's all sick shit.
Oh and notice the way that HOSTEL's first half by Sepulchrave	Oct 28th, 2006 07:15:13 AM
was DESIGNED to be sexually arousing; sort of motel room softcore; lots of tits and ass. Solid sexuality for an hour, then it jerks left into splattery violence. There's no doubt that the first half was fumbling in your shorts. The movie was designed to arouse.
Americans have no imagination; hence, Hostel 2 by BannedOnTheRun	Oct 28th, 2006 08:00:35 AM
and 3 and 4 and 5.
Designed to Arouse??? by runfoodrun	Oct 28th, 2006 08:42:34 AM
See I didn't get that, Hostel IS brilliant, first it's softcore than suddenly it's a horror film, wow they did such a great job of keeping the horror part a secret that it totally hit me out of left field...ok enough
So how is it "torture porn"? by Vern	Oct 28th, 2006 09:16:28 AM
I thought the movie was only okay, but I think the fact that people are calling it "torture porn" shows that they're not giving it a fair shake. Sure, it was ADVERTISED as torture porn, but that's not the whole movie. Honestly, I don't even remember what exactly happened in the little section of the movie that was about them being locked up in a warehouse to be tortured. What I do remember is the shitty first half of the movie that's a fuckin '80s frat sex comedy, the parts about searching for friends who disappeared from the hostel, and the more interesting last half hour that's about the dude making a run for it, being assaulted by children, etc. If you're gonna say it's just non-stop torture then it sounds like you didn't watch the movie. That said, Cabin Fever was alot more fun and I lost most of my respect for Eli Roth after the self important horse shit he wrote into the Fangoria horror magazine where he portraed himself as a free speech martyr and visionary artist being victimized by a "dangerous climate of political correctness" because some letter writer said he says "faggot" too much. That was a grade-A jackass move right there that will make it hard to take his movies seriously.
Horror by DirkD13"	Oct 28th, 2006 09:52:26 AM
Surely the ultimate point of a horror film is to horrify you. This may be by frightening you or by disgusting you, but either result is an acceptable reaction to a horror film isn't it? Watching a horror film is essentially a masochistic experience, we are letting the filmaker take us to places we just would not want to be in real life. Horror films can give you a more intense feeling than any other genre, a feeling countered by the elation of the experience ending and you being perfectly unharmed and safe. Hostel features one of the most disturbing concepts ever IMHO, and it IS frightening in places, just picture yourself being held captive, with rows of rusty tools laid out in front of you and some sick fuck in a butchers apron gleefully eyeing them over. That shit is scary, the actual acts of torture are disgusting and the combination completely did it for me as far as gut reaction goes. Yes Hostel could do with more sympathetic characters (something I think Wolf Creek did brilliantly), they could have been given more interesting things to say, but the fact remains that Roth knows his horror, probably as well as if not better than you, and he's got skills. The opening credit sequence was as chilling as anything found in horror in the last 5 years.
1/2 Eurotrip 1/2 The surgery channel by CTU Mole	Oct 28th, 2006 10:03:04 AM
100% crap.
torture porn by jax9999	Oct 28th, 2006 10:03:27 AM
No, you can't really call it torture porn. I went in looking for torture porn, and I was sadly disapointed. It was billed as torture porn, and it wasn't. It was like the first like 15 hours of the movie were some lame 80s college frat boy comedy, then we went into badly done mystery followed by a couple of torture teases, then he escaped. Yawwwnn.. I wanted to see some male nudity, maybe some rape. If you buy someone to torture and kill, you aint gonna leave their underwear on. This movie was a lame copout.
Hostel is an updated Hansel and Gretel. by Some Dude	Oct 28th, 2006 10:07:50 AM
It is not porn.
I wouldn't call it "PORN" of any sort... by beefywhore	Oct 28th, 2006 10:29:31 AM
I LIKE Porn....
Minimalist and effective ! by RobinP	Oct 28th, 2006 10:39:05 AM
Now THAT's how you make a teaser ! Nicely done, Mr Roth.
Bitch bitch bitch - HOSTEL was a cool flick. by brokentusk	Oct 28th, 2006 10:43:14 AM
I can't believe people seriously give such a shit over HOSTEL's quality that they feel the need to write whole paragraphs over how bad it was. It was a damn creepy, yet somewhat tongue-in-cheek horror film... about people being tortured! It's not THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION. Save the hate for a film that actually means something.
Oh, and I don't hate the SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION. by brokentusk	Oct 28th, 2006 10:47:11 AM
Just re-read what I wrote, it may come across that way. SHAWSHANK is one of the best films ever made. God bless.
The arguments against "torture porn"... by Some Dude	Oct 28th, 2006 11:43:46 AM
...can be levied at any violent entertainment. Replace torture with any other sort of untimely demise for characters. Does this make the film more or less "pornographic"? Are movies about vampires or zombies "porn"? Why or why not? What about gangster movies? Is the point of the film the torture or the escape from the torture? Is the POV that of the torturer or the victim? Is the intent of the film to aid audience masturbation? If you answer these question honestly, I think the logical conclusion is that "torture porn" is a brazen attempt by scaredy-cats, prudes, and/or misguided feminists (not smart ones) to slander law-abiding audiences who can tolerate such extreme material. Porn has a real definition that is not just a pejorative term for that which offends. Movies like Hostel, or even The Departed, do not fit the definition.
Recently, i saw Cabin fever by emeraldboy	Oct 28th, 2006 11:55:02 AM
What a lot of shite that. Really dreadful. Qt is an idiot for getting behind Hostel. It shows that QT will back any old crap. The only reason that Eli Roth has a career is because his dad is Joe Roth.
Hostel was just a big tease by SexyBeast	Oct 28th, 2006 12:01:09 PM
Hostel as a movie was actually captivating, but overall was a let down for me. Maybe Hostel 2 will fix the problems of the first movie. To be honest, Hostel was a great thriller, but a bad horror movie.
Why Hostel is bad! by wackynephews	Oct 28th, 2006 12:09:57 PM
Mainly because due to it's success and the success of the Saw franchise all we're going to get for the next three years is low-rent versions of them. Trust me, I'm working on a show right now that the director keeps referring to as "Saw meets Hostel" and it's a piece of shit but I guarantee people will go see it because that's how they'll advertise it. In the meantime potentially good horror flicks aren't getting made because producers want writers and directors to "Hostel" them up.
Talkbackers have no imagination... by zurge	Oct 28th, 2006 12:09:58 PM
This director has the seal of aproval of QT, PJ, and Lynch, but I'm sure the talkbakers have better taste than these 3. Sort of like comparing the quality of sex you get from profesionals, to sexually failed house wives who are just horrible at it and simply bitch online about their shortcomings.
when i talked to people who saw hostel all they said... by wolvenom	Oct 28th, 2006 12:24:28 PM
was 'that fucking part where they cut up that chick's eye was sooo grose i almost threw up' and while they said this they had huge smiles on their face. People like to be grossed out, and see violent splurges in horror films .... studios are beginning to realize that they dont even have to have a good story for horror flicks anymore, they can just do the 'torture porn' thing and the stories of violent acts in the film will travel enough to get other sickos into the film. Like the hills have eyes had great characters in it but all i ever heard was people talking about (with smiles) how the scene where they held a gun to a baby's head was so screwed up and violent. TORTURE PORN IS WHERE ITS AT TODAY... people have lost all imagination and the days of freddy krugers, and jason vorhees are over. deal with it.
Lost all Imagination? by Banky the Hack	Oct 28th, 2006 12:58:47 PM
I find that hard to believe...I mean, slightly over half of America had a vivid enough imagination to believe that our President deserved a second term...
Divx Pwns Quicktime by DocArzt	Oct 28th, 2006 01:17:18 PM
www.fangasm.com has the 720p clip at 10mb, (without Roth's attempt at charm), vs 65mb of quicktime... same quality...
The fact that Roth has... by vivavitalogy	Oct 28th, 2006 01:25:22 PM
"the seal of approval of QT, PJ and Lynch" means JACK SHIT. QT, PJ and Lynch are not infallible. The only reason I can imagine said directors give Roth "the seal of approval" is becuase they must see that he has some hidden vision not yet actualized. NOT YET ACTAULIZED. Cabin Fever was a mess and Hostel showed a only a faint hint of cleverness toward the end of the third act.
Go fuck yourself Harry. by PwnedByStallone	Oct 28th, 2006 01:40:46 PM
I don't necessarily "like" to hate on Hostel. It's just such a despicably awful piece of shit that it's impossible not to. And to anyone who likes Hostel or its moronic director you can sign up for the Hitler sterilization booth over at my house next week.
what i thought of hostel... by dagwood	Oct 28th, 2006 01:48:24 PM
Okay, here's the deal. I remember looking at the advance hype on the first one, hearing it was being shot in Praque and all that...and I'll admit, I was actually interested. It sounded like a pretty cool premise for a film. Then I heard from someone who had seen it at a film festival (before it was actually released theatrically) about how gory and over the top it was, etc, pushing the boundaries, yadda, yadda. THEN, I eventually rented it to see what it was all about. BOY WAS I IN FOR A SHOCK. The least imaginative, poorly acted shite I have seen in a long time. If this is controversial, then, well, so are napkins. What's more, the directing was so incredibly tame. Very unimaginative. I couldn't believe this was the film everyone was talking about. Well, that's the thing about hype, it's not always factual or based even remotely in reality. Hostel doesn't deserve to be labelled as "torture porn" or anything else like it, because at the end of the day it's just a poorly crafted, badly written and sloppily directed piece of shit.
Joe Roth by emeraldboy	Oct 28th, 2006 01:49:18 PM
Is the head of Revolution Studios. He was one time former Disney.
I would like to retract the following by emeraldboy	Oct 28th, 2006 01:52:28 PM
Eli Roth is no relation of Joe Roth the head of Revolution Studios.
Hostel was perfectly OK by BannedOnTheRun	Oct 28th, 2006 02:11:18 PM
Had it not been so goddamned overhyped here, I'd probably say it was pretty good. But it had been built up for months as The Second Coming of Horror. And I honestly don't see much sequel potential. Oooh, I'm dying to know what happened to... oh wait, he/she/it died.
Nice to see some people on here... by BizarroJerry	Oct 28th, 2006 02:20:22 PM
who comment on this run of disgusting, sick films meant to be horror. I'll just never understand why someone wants to see some movie with sobbing people begging for people not to take a chainsaw to their limbs. Also makes me wonder who would want to make these flicks. I could shock audiences by filming a close-up of my asshole while I take a shit and disgust and shock them. But I suppose that wouldn't be nearly as sick as being entertained by simulated mutilation.
"Stereotypical americans... by BizarroJerry	Oct 28th, 2006 02:30:33 PM
...who got what they deserved through ignorance? Yes." There is so much wrong with that sentence. They deserve torturous mutilation because of their ignorance? Ugh.
Even if Hostel 2 is terrible awful... by BGDAWES	Oct 28th, 2006 03:10:17 PM
...Harry will claim it reinvented the horror genre or some shit since he and Eli Roth are fun-boys.
DocPazuzu by Trader Groucho 2	Oct 28th, 2006 03:16:27 PM
Or terms like "RepubliCUNT" or "REPUGNANTcan"?
there's nothing horrific about hostel though... by tibbar	Oct 28th, 2006 03:18:48 PM
so how do you consider it a genuinely good horror flick? the ONLY thing that stands out about it IS the gore. if not for that, no one would even be talking about this film. thats the difference between hostel and something like saw. saw had a story, albeit a minimal one. but thats ok, because it was effective in only focusing on a narrow scope. it helped the audience to feel for the characters involved. something saw 2 lacked. i hated almost all of the characters in saw 2, but i TRULY wanted dr. gordon to escape. it was tragic when he loses it. you feel like YOU are losing it too, like the whole things is coming unraveled. hostel didn't effect me at all. all it did was make me go "i can't believe how easy it is to get any crappy old horror script made nowadays". hardly sequel-worthy. and as far as being qt pj and lynch approved, those are 3 VERY different directors, who im sure each would have a VERY different stance on hostel (if all 3 have even seen it).
Vern - Eli Roth and self-promotion by Trader Groucho 2	Oct 28th, 2006 03:22:37 PM
He has taken a big page out of Hostel producer Tarantino's book. Or really, Wes Craven's. Roth is branding himself, which is what a lot of actors, some directors, and even the occasional writer or FX guy does. It helps box office and gives his negotiating team a better hand with the studios. As for the negative things being said about him in this talkback, y'all are spelling his name right. To dip back into the '90s, don't hate the player, hate the game.
the doorway to true evil by ubersnarf	Oct 28th, 2006 03:32:13 PM
still closed. Horror movie threads just aren't any fun without Demon Dave and the Juggfuckler.
The problem with the horror genre is by emeraldboy	Oct 28th, 2006 03:33:12 PM
all the masters are either retired or dead. In the old days. the monsters were kept towards the end of the film. Wes Craven destroyed the horror movie genre. a nightmare on Elm street is a great Horror flick and freddy ranks up there with the best mosnters. But 14 films later. Craven killed the genre stone. Scream has one of the best opening scenes I have seen in long time. But those movies stink. and did we really by the fact that it was sidney psycho brother? i dont think. I once read an interview in empire magzine with Eli Roth. He ranted on and on about how Hollywood doesnt make horror films and he said that the best come from Asia. But Eli the lady vengence trilogy is not horror. The Asian thing is a fad. Look at the dire reviews the original grudge 2 got and its american remake. The Ring trilogy were 2 of the worst films I have ever. I go the cinema alot( and have been going since I was a child). I cannot count the amount of films i have seen. but its certainly over the 100 mark.
Partial talkback headlines are so friggin..... by Missing Dink	Oct 28th, 2006 04:27:54 PM
Know what I mean?
Hi-Sorry to be way off topic-but I need a trivia expert by Rayhad Jackson	Oct 28th, 2006 04:51:30 PM
Do you know that song in "Tommy Boy" that goes "I'm sorry....so sorry" after Chris Farley and David Spade fight. Does anyone know the title and the artist? I pissed this girl off and playing it into her voicemail might be a good icebreaker-I say I got a 40% chance it works and 60% that she calls the cops-make up sex or jail either way it's going to be an interesting night. I appreciate your help-Thanks.
Dead Alive! by DOGSOUP	Oct 28th, 2006 06:19:50 PM
Yay Gore!
torture movies are not horror flicks by Bob C. Cock	Oct 28th, 2006 06:58:34 PM
"the real monsters are PEOPLE!" fuck off.
I met roth by slappy jones	Oct 28th, 2006 10:09:44 PM
and he was a super nice guy, genuinely excited to be able to make films and just a fucking good guy. sure he isn't the greatest director the world has ever seen but i would take roths films over the texas remake, saw, the grudge, pulse, when a stranger calls, im still knowing what you did 4 summers ago, the boogeyman..etc etc...I think he makes very good horror films. can't wait to see hostel 2.
This movies are supposed to be Horror? by ZoddGutsu	Oct 29th, 2006 01:11:20 AM
To me they seem more just Gore type like movie not scary just intense.
The reason so many people hate Eli Roth by Poopoodio	Oct 29th, 2006 02:36:18 AM
is that he has Harry bought and paid for, and no matter how shit Hostel was (and it was pretty damn fucking shit), Harry sold it as a future Oscar-winner. Expect the same for this crock of asshattery... mentions on AICN on a daily basis, no negative reviews posted, fawning by Harry, the whole corporate nine yards.
EXHIBIT A against this "torture porn" business by Vern	Oct 29th, 2006 02:48:29 AM
"'MOVIE A,' which opened yesterday at the Town and the Republic, is the latest discouraging entry in a horror movie subgenre that might be called gorenography--films that strive not so much to shock or frighten as merely to sicken. "At this, 'MOVIE A' proves proficient, but the feat is hardly impressive. Just as we can justifiably wonder how much cinematic artistry it took to turn an audience's stomach with the sights of a little girl mutilating herself in 'MOVIE B,' so we may wonder whether it takes any skill or imagination to revolt us with the spectacle of [famous scenes from MOVIE A]. "But in this post 'MOVIE B' era of escalating screen atrocities, such depictions are common to a type of film that existed before 'MOVIE B' and now seems more evident. 'B' brought the cheap shocks to the mass movie market, but gore movies had already been around for years... "For what it is, it is well done, but it's hard not to find what it is lamentable and what it represents cause for despair... "But as with the films that are even more gruesome, 'A' uses the violent elements not as punctuation or embellishment or within any sort of dramatic context; instead, they are the raison d'etre of the film. Watching these movies is like watching target practice with human beings as targets. "The old horror movie conventions are largely ignored in such films. There are no characters of any depth to identify with or to cheer on as the monster approaches; there is little if any cleverly contrived suspense; and the film quickly becomes not a who-dun-it but a who-gets-it-next... "You can't say it isn't frightening, but far more frightening is the audience reaction to the film--cheering, whistling, laughing. It could indicate a sensible disbelief in and psychological distance from the movie. Or it could indicate just how de-sensitized and blood-thirsty action audiences have become... "We can expect more such films. And why? According to an ad for two milder thrillers in a recent Variety, 'audiences are ... out for blood.'" * * * * * The above review I quoted is interchangable with any number of reviews for recent movies like Hostel, Wolf Creek, The Hills Have Eyes remake, Saws One Through Three, even my pal Demon Dave's movie Chaos. But of course it's not a review of any of those, it is actually Tom Shales writing in the Washington Post in 1974. MOVIE A is THE TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE and MOVIE B is, believe it or not, THE EXORCIST. Now obviously I'm not trying to claim that any of these recent movies are on the same level as either of those two. But what I am saying is that this same exact argument has been made by clueless people about actual classics, and they were making the argument before some of you were even born. And now here you are saying the EXACT same shit but in reaction to what you see as a current trend in horror. Are you sure you know what you're talking about more than Tom Shales did when he said the same thing (and was clearly wrong) 32 years ago? (Thanks to Jeff Krulik for sending me that and a bunch of other great vintage reviews after I mentioned him in my review of the TEXAS CHAIN SAW dvd.)
Nice one Vern by DirkD13"	Oct 29th, 2006 02:59:39 AM
And the original TCM is well overrated, so is The Exorcist for that matter. Anyone ever seen a low-budget indie horror called Kolobos?? Now that had some pretty fucked up shit in it, but i've never met anyone who's seen it.
I once read the phrase 'the pornography of pain' by Sepulchrave	Oct 29th, 2006 03:59:33 AM
Written by a respected Horror critic (Leonard Wolf) about a movie that is today regarded as something of a black-comedy classic. He thought the film was abominable; most of us think it's a hoot. The film is Re-Animator. I think that, apart from the strength of the storyline, the one thing that saves sgock violence is stylistic beauty and humour. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre has a savage beauty to it; Re-Animator and The Evil Dead are funny. Hostel, on the other hand, has just that generic slimy slickness that infests Hollywood B-products these days. There isn't a twinkle of irony in it, nor anything to distinguish it stylistically from remakes of The Omen or The Fog. It's ugly and it's boring to look at and it has no sense of humour. And that's a deadly combination for me.
I'm really not a fan by themanlikedave	Oct 29th, 2006 05:30:08 AM
of these tpes of movie. However, instead of deciding I'd like to 'gag Eli Roth to death with a severed horse cock', I think I'll just exercise my freedom of choice and simply not go and watch it when it's released. It's quite straight forward.
idiots by Ray Gamma	Oct 29th, 2006 05:38:02 AM
BigJoeyD (above) said: "Hostel was trash. It would of been better if they didn't spend over the half the movie having guys tramp around Europe. Aren't horror movies supposed to be scary? I understand that you have to set up the characters, but 50 minutes until any action? Ridiculous. It was an awesome 30 minute show, if only the horror was longer." - For a start, you say "It would HAVE been better". And secondly, if that's how you feel about the film, why not just rent 'Faces of Death' or some other sick collection of death and execution, where it gets straight to the 'good' bit? You sick fuck.
Why I'm supportive of the Saw franchise... by DanielKurland	Oct 29th, 2006 07:14:16 AM
Much like everyone else, this whole new "torture fixation" is not horror. It's disturbing, yes, and it may make you uncomfortable, which is what a director may want in a horror film, but it does not MAKE a horror film. Saw I enjoyed, as it wasn't all about the torture, and Saw II I even thought was better than most sequels, but the trailer for Saw III was purely just people getting hurt in over the top ways, and I have no interest in seeing that. Wolf Creek was pretty similar to Hostel, and both were "fine" films, or whatever, but I wouldn't say either one was scary. You've all said gore doesn't equal horror, and you're right, and the only horror film I've been satisfied with in some time, was The Descent, which knew a lot about mood, and tension, and what you didn't need to show on film. The ONLY thing I am enjoying about the Saw franchise now is that hopefully there will be about 6 of them, and it will technically be the only "horror series" made in contemporary times. I remember going to the horror section at a video store, and you see Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Critters, Omen, Leprechaun, Puppetmaster, Silent Night, Deadly Night....lately there have been NO franchises, just maybe the occasional sequel, so I'm glad that like 30 years from now, people can go to the horror section and rent all seven Saw films for a marathon on October 30. I know they won't be good sequels, and it's probably not even a good thing that this series may define what horror was for this time period in retrospect, but series usually always get progressively worse, but at least it will be there. And it may sound stupid, but that's why I'm "glad" it's happening.
People who say "horror is over" or some such... by CarmillaVonDoom	Oct 29th, 2006 08:26:19 AM
...everyone said the same thing back in 1981....too much gore, snuff/serial killer porn etc. Then in 1982 we got Videodrome, American Werewolf, and Carpenters The Thing, among others. The horror genre will always resurface as strong as ever. Have faith in that!!!
The exorcist and the TCm by emeraldboy	Oct 29th, 2006 09:35:56 AM
Were banned in Ireland for almost thirty years. These films, when they were released, were met by a big so what. Excorsist has dated so badly that and has been imitated so often that scene with Regan head spinning around isnt really creepy these days. TCM on the other hand. That was one night at 11pm on channel 4 in the UK(the new home of Porn in the UK). TCMs reputation is still strong. I ended up not watching it. They showed the clip of one of the victims entering the house and Leatherface banging him on the head with a mallet and this victim body going into shock. They showed that clip in the daytime.
Trader Groucho 2 by DocPazuzu	Oct 29th, 2006 09:57:17 AM
In case you were being sarcastic in your post and don't know Panterarocks from earlier talkbacks, I was merely quoting some of his favorite constructed terms. And yes, the ones you mentioned are equally stupid.
"I am a bodybuilder... by DocPazuzu	Oct 29th, 2006 10:00:22 AM
...so why wouldn't I want a picture of the best bodybuilder in the world?" ....... Indeed.
Eli Roth is a Whack Job with financiers...Truly Sad by Monkey_King	Oct 29th, 2006 11:31:48 AM
Cabin Fever, Hostel, etc...wastes of time and talent.
SAD! by Norm3	Oct 29th, 2006 11:44:25 AM
More degenerate crap for the new Rome = USA!
Those who love hostel will love the new irish horror by emeraldboy	Oct 29th, 2006 11:54:22 AM
Film called Isolation. Made in entirely in Ireland. Isolation is about a traveller farmer Played by John Lynch. The bank is breathing down his neck. The manager says that it might be worth his while letting a biotech company run the farm. So the farmer sells his farm to biotech company. Many months later all seems well untill farm hands notice that the caves are strangley. and so the horror begins as baby calves fly out of stomachs, flying cow shit, exploding cow carcassi and then there wull be the tale of the NZ killer sheep,
BringingSexyBack... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Oct 29th, 2006 01:20:04 PM
...is such a lonely, lonely guy. The hidden guilt he feels over the Mark Foley scandal has really screwed with his brain. He needs to be brought back to the light. Won't someone please play with him?
emeraldboy by DocPazuzu	Oct 29th, 2006 01:46:04 PM
First Dead Meat with its man-eating, zombie-making cows and now this thing. What the hell is it with you Irish and cow horror?
We try to bring something new to the table by emeraldboy	Oct 29th, 2006 02:41:07 PM
Now that we have found our feet as more confident filmaking country.
people by axemurder	Oct 29th, 2006 04:09:20 PM
why do you lot think that this so called torture porn is new (and whoever coined that fucking term needs a good shoeing! have you never seen Cannibal Holocaust, Snuff, Last House On Dead End Street?? are you all like 10 years old on here, you know fuck all about horror movies and hate on Roth cause cause he's a geek that made good and you hate your own when they are rich and famous. I fucking weep for the world, I really do
oh by axemurder	Oct 29th, 2006 04:10:30 PM
and emerarldboy is right isolation is fucking ace.
Ironic article title for this sequel, no? by Negative Man	Oct 29th, 2006 04:34:52 PM
In the teaser itself Eli Roth, who was born in Boston, Massachusetts, admits he hasn't anything new to offer. But, to his credit, he is a young master of creating extremely financially cheap crap that doesn't deliver on the decent ideas he's come up with, but delivers extremely well in the box office. He's a terrible writer and a poor director at best. But, he found a nook he can make money in. If he tried making action or fantasy films, as well as these horror flicks (and had a German accent) his name would be Uwe Boll.
I enjoy Eli Roth, but his movies have dissapointed. by amychaser5	Oct 29th, 2006 04:37:47 PM
From the various interviews that I have seen of Roth, he seems like a genuinely good guy with a passion for film - something that I love to see in young directors. Having said that, "Cabin Fever" just didn't do much for me. I appreciated it's attempt to serve as a throwback of sorts to the many intense, blood drenched flicks of the 70's, and it was well directed with a good cast. Still, though, it felt like a mediocre film that should have been a great one. As for "Hostel," well, I hated the thing. Once again, the concept is admirably simple and straightforward - goofy characters, exotic setting, plenty of generous T & A followed by generous blood and gore. It was quite intense, yes, but neither scary or substantial. "Hostel 2" looks to be no different. Having said all of this, I still have faith in Mr. Roth. Despite his lackluster efforts so far, he is clearly a filmmaker with a resolve to make the fucking movie he wants to make. Good for him. Isn't he set to direct the adaptation of Stephen King's "Cell"? That is something I am looking forward to. Hopefully it will be the perfect oppurtunity for Roth to really show his talent. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing to take away from the power of the "Cell" project is if the end result borrows too much from the famous zombie films of the past, i.e. "Dawn of the Dead" and maybe "28 Days Later." We'll see.
Amychaser by 9SilentNine9	Oct 29th, 2006 06:27:28 PM
I agree with some of your post... but I fail to understand how 28 Days Later falls into the "zombie subgenre". It rips them off, yes, but a zombie flick? Not even close.
Saw III by DefyThis	Oct 29th, 2006 07:55:54 PM
The reality is, Saw III is no better or worse than Saw II. They're pretty much on par. The actress who does Amanda does a great job. There's more gore, but it's never to the point of stupidity with maybe an exception or two. The premise is actually fairly interesting. The backstory was great. The main problems are: a) If you haven't seen the first two, forget it. Saw III picks up right after Saw II ends. b) One of the main characters consistantly (and unbelievably) makes the same stupid mistake over and over. He comes off as a dumbass instead of a conflicted person dealing with his own demons. It's not a bad movie by any stretch of the imagination. It's a pretty worthy sequel by most standards.
Vern, Tom Shales? by BizarroJerry	Oct 29th, 2006 08:36:40 PM
Tom Shales can cram it with walnuts for all I care. And yes, my opinion is just as valid as some movie critic's. Your argument seems to be the same as kind of thing as when someone complains how about how horrible, offensive, vulgar or damagingly sexual music is today, only to be countered with. "Oh, that's what people said about Elvis and then they didn't show him below the waste." I hate those arguments because they seem to be saying that because everything's relative, there's nothing wrong with music no matter how vulgar it becomes. And that it's somehow progress to get closer to "everything goes". The same thing with these movies. While I would never want to take away anyone's rights to make this kind of movie, I think it's sort of sick and maybe just a little bit wrong to make a movie like this and to be entertained by it. It just worries me. And this isn't from some extreme religious-right perspective or anything. I'm just saying there's something wrong with this kind of movie.
Jerry by Vern	Oct 29th, 2006 10:39:54 PM
And I'm saying that Tom Shales made that same argument about THE TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE 34 years ago and now most of us consider it one of the best movies ever made. While HOSTEL is more graphic than that particular movie (and not nearly as good) I don't think horror movies in general are much more brutal than movies back then as you seem to be implying. LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT had already come out and that's a whole lot less pleasant than HOSTEL. I'm just saying that people think they are concerned about a downward spiral and increased violence in horror movies when actually they just don't like horror movies.
Fuck you, all haters...specially all of you teenagers. by RenoReno	Oct 29th, 2006 10:44:07 PM
If Tobe Hoper would've done Texas Chainsaw Massacre on these days most of you would have said it sucked big hairy balls. If Wes Craven would've done The Hills Have Eyes now you would've covered it with shitty opinions. The truth is that Eli Roth has done some pretty fucking decent job for the horror genre. In a world full of pieces of shit like GHOST SHIP, DARKNESS FALLS, etc. All of your "HOSTEL was the worst movie ever, blah, blah..." just tell me that you have no clue...NO CLUE of what you are talking about. I bet that in 10 years from now HOSTEL will be consired a coming up classic of the this fucking generation...and no one will remember films like GHOST SHIP. Get a clue, assholes.
And this isnt from some xtreme religi-right perspective by Angry White baby	Oct 29th, 2006 11:55:09 PM
As opposed to an extreme religious-LEFT perspective (had to shorten the original to fit in the title space)? >:)... I kid! I kid! (ahem) I just think it's funny that whenever it comes to being stuffy about morality, no one EVER credits (blames) democrats/socialists/lefties. Now why is that? And don't forget to check out that stupid super hero movie on "tinyurl.com/wraah"! Because it is not like you haven't seen that shill on any of the other talkbacks or anything. BTW, Eli Roth is the best damn director of feminine hygeine commercials I have ever seen... wait a minute, this is about HOSTEL?
Hostel is not - nor ever will be - a horror movie. by StubePT	Oct 30th, 2006 10:52:18 AM
Movie gore works best as the payoff to the "horror." The horror, or the "scary parts" that lead up to the payoff are what makes the movie. TCM isn't scary because we see some guy carve up teenagers with a chainsaw, it's scary because of the unrelenting chase he makes on these teenagers. The payoff is when the teenager gets carved up by the chainsaw, but it's not what makes the scares or "horror" powerful. Hostel isn't about being scary or being a horror film. It's not scary. It's not intense. It's stomach-churning. It's a gross-out film. It's an exercise in gore special effects. The story is flimsy, there's no build, and what would be the payoff drags on for minutes while we watch some German dude drill holes in the side of a guy. Not scary. Not horror. Final Destination is more horror than Hostel. Final Destination at least builds up to the gruesome payoff and then pays it off - quickly and shockingly. But with FD, as an audience, you're on the edge of your seat in wild anticipation waiting for the payoff. Hostel, your balled up in the back of your chair trying not to hurl. Hostel is not horror.
ultra-violence for kids by CuervoJones	Oct 30th, 2006 11:59:45 AM
come on, we veterans have seen Guinea Pig years before this crap
Yeah, I get your point, Vern by BizarroJerry	Oct 30th, 2006 12:52:22 PM
I thought your post was more directed at my comments than it was. I wasn't actually saying that they were any worse. And yes, I'm one of those people who doesn't like horror movies. I've never been entertained by them. I'm not scared of 'em, I just don't like them, and don't really see the point. But I especially don't like the realistic-gore, how-much-can-we-disgust you flicks. Watch this guy scream in agony while I saw off a limb. Huh? Why would I do that...? And my right-wing religious comment had no more meaning beyond a preemptive response.
"Hostel" is a very good Grindhouse flick... by MaxHunter73	Oct 30th, 2006 02:53:24 PM
...the plot was well intact, simple, yet intact. It was an entry in what used to be called "grindhouse flicks." Total gratuitous gore and nudity, with a sense of realistic terror...I dug it. Can't understand the over the top hatred.
The problem with Hostel by Sir HickoryBeans McCrackin	Oct 30th, 2006 04:40:49 PM
..is that it looks incredibly low-budget and badly done. In a bad way, not an ironic deliberately cheesy way. I've seen episodes of V.I.P. on SPIKE Network with better visuals and effects. Actually..wait...now that I think about it, V.I.P. even has better boobies. Why not just make a V.I.P. feature film where Pammy and the team take down some torturing murderizers in eastern Europe?
Ironic... by BV	Oct 31st, 2006 08:17:15 PM
...because Eli Roth has no imagination.
Hollywood has no imagination by Wave Motion Gun	Nov 1st, 2006 05:29:24 AM
When they aint making pointless remakes, they're making pointless sequels.

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