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ScoreKeeper Re: Marilyn Manson Interviewing Danny Elfman & Manson's Cover Of NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS Tunes!!

Damn you Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Oct 26th, 2006 08:36:06 AM
Damn you Michael Bay
This is Halloween/ev'rybody make a scene... by Osmosis Jones	Oct 26th, 2006 08:45:21 AM
...trick or treat 'til the neighbors gonna die of fright!
Manson did do a pretty good job in "Resident Evil" by mikey mike	Oct 26th, 2006 08:53:40 AM
would like to see him tackle more film projects. hopefully he and Elfman will team up and write original songs for some upcoming movie
This song is amazing by jackinitraw	Oct 26th, 2006 09:08:22 AM
I like Manson's version better. That Panic at the Disco one shows how wrong it can go sometimes.
What's this? by Franklin T Marmoset	Oct 26th, 2006 09:32:49 AM
I like this Nightmare Before Christmas very much, and I watch it every year while wrapping presents. It's a festive Marmoset tradition. My favourite is What's This?, but I notice on the Amazon that Fall Out Boy have covered that one, which is a shame. I don't like the Fall Out Boy. Not at all.
She Wants Revege by JohnIan	Oct 26th, 2006 10:02:07 AM
Their cover for "Kidnap The Sandy Claws" sounds so very their own. Usually when you have covers they resemble the original song, not so here. It's by far my favorite track on disc two. A Synthpop fan. By the way, Best Buy is selling the set with two exclusive tracks; the demos for "Town Meeting Song" and "What's This?".
Grand, I misspelled - "She by JohnIan	Oct 26th, 2006 10:04:36 AM
Grand, I misspelled - "She wants Revenge". And yeah, Jackinitraw; Panic At The Disco is the weak link in the chain.
I can't believe it... by rbatty024	Oct 26th, 2006 10:19:21 AM
Marilyn Manson is doing a cover! I never in a million years would have seen that one coming. This guy is the most unoriginal "artist" out there. The most shocking thing about him is that people used to be offended by his cheeseball act.
I never really talk about this movie... by DanielKurland	Oct 26th, 2006 10:35:36 AM
But when I see it, I'm just enthralled. It is so well done, with a fantastic premise, and the songs are really well done. A great movie.
let the pseudo-gothy moping commence by Staldo	Oct 26th, 2006 11:45:09 AM
Not a fan of Manson. The 'This is Halloween' sequence in the movie did give me goosebumps when I first saw it, but the song itself reminds me of something a nine year old would write. The music in the film only goes uphill from there.
Thanks JohnIan by ScoreKeeper	Oct 26th, 2006 12:13:39 PM
For the heads up about Best Buy set w/ the exclusive tracks. I haven't picked my set up yet but will be doing so at Best Buy just so I can get those two other covers.
More Elfman and Siouxsie by vivavitalogy	Oct 26th, 2006 01:33:49 PM
Anyone?....anyone...? I could also see Elfman doing the score to a Vonnegut adaptation.
A great movie, aesthetically-speaking... by El Scorcho	Oct 26th, 2006 01:39:19 PM
Wonderful visuals and music, yet I never really "connected" with it... Maybe that wasn't the point. Too bad the goths highjacked it.
Longer interview by ScoreKeeper	Oct 26th, 2006 02:07:23 PM
Somebody alerted me to a longer version of the interview. Thanks! http://media.music.ign.com/art icles/740/740204/vids_1.html
ScoreKeeper, I tip my cap to you (again) by YackBacker	Oct 26th, 2006 02:26:21 PM
Fantastic article. I can't wait to listen to the tracks later on my computer with sound. What a weird and interesting combination...
MARILYN MANSON by WISEBLOOD	Oct 26th, 2006 02:41:25 PM
Is trite, derivative and devoid of talent. Putting him into the same room as Danny Elfman is a travesty on par with greedo shooting first. ANYONE who thinks Marilyn Manson is even MILDLY talented is WRONG AS TWO BOYS FUCKING ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN. For an example of WHY Marilyn Manson is so worthless, listen to the David Bowie album "Scary Monsters"...if after listening to that you still think MM has anything even resembling talent, KILL YOURSELF. END OF LINE
Manson is good an all by Ragin Bully	Oct 26th, 2006 03:10:51 PM
but so is this: http://tinyurl.com/wraah
this is promoting a kids movie in 3d!!!! by Talkbacker with no name	Oct 26th, 2006 03:30:08 PM
far out! i love it hehehehehe
J.G. Thirlwell... by vivavitalogy	Oct 26th, 2006 03:33:49 PM
Mother-fuggin' NUFF said. AKA Foetus or Jim Foetus and the variations thereof including but not limited to Frank Want, AKA Clint Ruin and the variations thereof including but not limited to Wiseblood, Flesh Volcano, AKA DJ OTESFU, AKA Steriod Maximus, AKA Manorexia, AKA Baby Zizane and boy does the list go on. Ha also worked with Boss Hog, Coil, Fur Bible, Annie Hogan, Nurse With Wound, Pigface, Sonic Youth, Workdogs to name just a few. Also check out The Freq_out Orchestra and the Venture Brothers television score. This man will show what a hack Manson truly is.
in this town we call home everyone hail to the... by Talkbacker with no name	Oct 26th, 2006 03:36:26 PM
punmpkin song! ...credit where it is due - Manson has done a fucking great cover!
Oi WISEBLOOD! by Talkbacker with no name	Oct 26th, 2006 03:37:40 PM
It's better cover than you could do, mother fucker...and i hate MM. Boy done good ya fool!
Ain't It... by DoctorWho?	Oct 26th, 2006 04:34:21 PM
...Thoroughly Uninteresting Unless Between The Ages Of 18-22...News.
Manson Haters... by zurge	Oct 26th, 2006 04:39:48 PM
TO: Wiseblood...Bowie is cool, but he too had "influences" - Syd Barrett, The Beatles, Chuck Berry, Marc Bolan, Bob Dylan, Al Green, The Kinks, Kraftwerk, Anthony Newley, Pink Floyd, The Pretty Things, The Rolling Stones, The Spinners, The Velvet Underground, Scott Walker, The Who. TO: vivavitalogy...Manson always said his style is more in the tunes of skinny puppy, I guessed you don't remember that one. But since I will not argue taste, let's just say a certain Brian Eno kicks everyone's ass (in MY OPINION). Right =}
Zurg by vivavitalogy	Oct 26th, 2006 05:02:35 PM
This isn't about originality it's about talent. Skinny Puppy was the first Slipknot (if you don't know what I mean then never mind, it's a slam). And by the way Eno does kick behind.
Manson is better at everything besides music by DOGSOUP	Oct 26th, 2006 05:33:55 PM
His albums are all basically the same with the exception of Mechanical Animals. He really shines when he's not doing music. His book was a really creepy and thoughtful read, his character in Party Monster was a highlght of that movie, and even his appearance on Bowling for Columbine made people think "huh. He's actually resonably intelligent." You can hate on him all you want but don't just dismiss his abilities because you don't like him. Now that he's 10 years past the Antichrist Superstar days, I'd like to see what a more mellowed version of Brian Warner hs in store for us. I haven't heard this cover yet but considering his hilarious and brilliant cover of Justify My Love, it's worth a listen. Besides, doesn't anyone remember the Food Pyramid song from the short lived MTV cartoon Clone High?
Did anyone else see it in 3D? If so, did you notice... by Novaman5000	Oct 26th, 2006 07:04:04 PM
That they re-recorded the intro voiceover?! This time, instead of the booming gravitas of Patrick Stewart, they have someone who sounds suspiciously like George Carlin!! I shit you not. Why would they do such a thing?
Track Order Q by JohnIan	Oct 26th, 2006 07:21:58 PM
Just curious. My copy (Best Buy exclusive) has tracks 8 and 9 switched - the listings on the booklet and back cover. Did those who bought the regular edition have this too?
Talkbacker with no name by WISEBLOOD	Oct 26th, 2006 07:55:23 PM
Actually dumbass, its NOT a better cover than I could do...I've DONE covers that make that shit look WEAK (which isn't hard to do)...
Zurge by WISEBLOOD	Oct 26th, 2006 07:58:30 PM
Obviously Bowie had influences...but an influence is a far cry from someone that you blatantly RIP OFF... and MM is a RIP OFF... the first time I heard that first bullshit from marilyn manson I thought...Oh god...not another NIN album... I was actually making fun of it and my friend informed me that it was MM... Once again, MM is weak and shouldn't be allowed to wash Danny Elfmans jock
vivavitalogy by WISEBLOOD	Oct 26th, 2006 08:01:06 PM
Thank you...You said it better than I EVER could. Just listen to ANYTHING by throbbing gristle (or later Psychic TV) and you'll hear beats and even samples that MM is trying to pass off as "original"...the guy is fucking CLOWN SHOES
word. by vivavitalogy	Oct 26th, 2006 08:59:23 PM
word.
What pisses me off about Manson by Monkey Butler	Oct 26th, 2006 09:24:40 PM
Is that he's very one-note in a lot of his work. He wanted to play Willy Wonka, because it's a kids' story, but Manson knows the true story and Wonka was supposed to be demented and creepy and "gothic". Then he wanted to do a version of Alice in Wonderland, and again, that was a kids' story, but Manson knew better - he would make it "gothic" and demented and fucked up, because isn't that just so bad-arse, because it's meant to be a kids' story. See what I'm getting at? "Subverting" kids' stories doesn't make you bad-arse or fucked up or anything, it's just lame.
Novaman5000...say what? by Osmosis Jones	Oct 26th, 2006 10:29:35 PM
I saw the film in 3D today, and the opening voiceover remains exactly the same. You can only hear the (longer) Patrick Stewart version of the narration on the soundtrack CD. The only thing they changed in the film was omiting the Touchstone Pictures logo at the beginnig for Walt Disney Presents.
Reply to Wiseblood. by zurge	Oct 26th, 2006 10:40:30 PM
Brian Warner is the lead vocalist and lyricist. The rifts, drumbeats, and techno vibes are performed by others. So if you're going for "Sounds like", then Brian must not targeted simply because you have a thing against him. Most of the MM's band best songs were never singles. And I'm interested in watching Brian score music, because his Resident Evil soundtrack was alright.
Yep, subverting traditional childrens stories is stupid by LeiaDown&FuckHer	Oct 26th, 2006 11:06:26 PM
Dumb ass Brothers Grimm, they're shit will never go anywhere I tells ya.
The Brothers Grimm didn't by Staldo	Oct 26th, 2006 11:58:10 PM
The Brothers Grimm didn't subvert traditional German children's stories, they compiled and them and merged different tellings, in all their violent, demented glory. The original version of Rapunzel reads like a Clive Barker story. The turning of traditional children's stories into "horror" visually by making all the female characters look like suicide girl models and giving all the animals the mange and sharp, pointy teeth is what I think Wiseblood is objecting to.
Way to go Wiseblood Your RivitHead Cred is intact by DOGSOUP	Oct 27th, 2006 12:25:25 AM
So you hate Manson, that's fine. Your vocal about it, that's fine. I can even agree with you that his music isn't nearly as listenable as other bands out there (TG, SP, KMFDM, ect), but surely someone of your taste and intelligence can at least have a better view than "Listen to the David Bowie album "Scary Monsters"...if after listening to that you still think MM has anything even resembling talent, KILL YOURSELF." Scary Monsters is brilliant and contributes to our culture better than any of Mansons albums that's true, but you HAVE to have at least an iota of talent to be in the position Mansn is now, being talked about on a TB after a 10+ year career. I stand by what I said before about he does everything else better than music. In the meantime I'll actually listen to Ministry for someone who does it better.
You can now... by Harry Weinstein	Oct 27th, 2006 01:13:46 AM
...say "fuck" in a clip promoting a Disney film. That "ka'thunk" you may have just heard was the sound of Walt Disney doing a barrel roll in his grave.
WISEBLOOD that sounds like a challenge! by Talkbacker with no name	Oct 27th, 2006 02:09:50 AM
Let's hear some of your covers then? honestly! as a man who enjoys music I would love to hear them. We can all then judge if yours indeed do make 'that shit look WEAK'. Links?...no I didn't think so!
Challenge by WISEBLOOD	Oct 27th, 2006 12:04:18 PM
Nope, it wasnt a challenge. Just a statement. As for providing links, I dont have anything online that even remotely resembles a cover. We record our originals, covers are strictly thrown into the set for fun. That said, if your ever in the Seattle area, let me know, and I'll point you to our next gig.
Dogsoup by WISEBLOOD	Oct 27th, 2006 12:10:26 PM
I agree...MM does have an iota of talent, I just don't see it as being talent in songwriting. His talent, in my estimation, is in creating hype where none exists by wearing scary make up and saying calculatedly offensive things. Even his spoutings on the occult are derivative and based more in high school level bullshit than any serious hermetic or magickal understanding. If that's the criteria upon which one decides to engage in music, fine. All I'm saying is that it doesn't make him worth a crap musically. And I stand by my statement that he should have his kneecaps blown off with a shotgun for even being in the room with Danny Elfman.
Zurge by WISEBLOOD	Oct 27th, 2006 12:16:22 PM
Look at the writing credits on his albums. He is (on most songs) solely credited. Which means he wrote (or in my estimation, plagiarized) EVERY THING. Programming, drum beats, guitar and bass lines, keyboards, all of it. And performing something is a very different consideration than writing the part. I write the bass lines for my band, because our bass players writing skills SUCK (sorry Bob...you know its true) so in the credits on our cds I am given the writing credit, along with our drummer who writes most of the lyrics and occasionally some of the guitar parts. However, Bob is a fucking BADASS bass player and plays the lines I write beautifully, but if the bass line sucks, its MY fault, not Bob's because I wrote the bass line.

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