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A spy wants to eat up HANNIBAL RISING with some fava beans and a nice chianti!!!

first! by dread pirate roberts	Oct 19th, 2006 12:12:43 PM
yeah!
DreadPirate by Thunderpants	Oct 19th, 2006 12:17:46 PM
No one gives a flying ass fuck about you being first, you fucking cum drinking shit faggot.
As good as HANNIBAL? Where do I sign up? by JohnGalt06	Oct 19th, 2006 12:19:57 PM
Seriously, HANNIBAL was shit. RED DRAGON was shit. SILENCE OF LAMBS and MANHUNTER are great, albeit in very different ways. Methinks this movie will be...shit.
Samurai Lecter vs. the Nazis by Celicynd	Oct 19th, 2006 12:24:32 PM
Woo Hoo! seriously... WTF?!
Samurai... by Bloo	Oct 19th, 2006 12:27:18 PM
what in the world is Harris up to...or smoking...or drinking...or I guess how big was the check he cashed and is he just trying to piss people off
Has it actually been re-named HANNIBAL RISING?... by DanielKurland	Oct 19th, 2006 12:27:55 PM
That would be so stupid, especially with UNTOUCHABLE: CAPONE RISING coming too. Both unnecessary prequels to good films.
SAMURAI? by the beef	Oct 19th, 2006 12:28:46 PM
Ummmmm, K? I, uh, does anyone else follow this? Are samurai notorious for cannibalism?
thunderpants by dread pirate roberts	Oct 19th, 2006 12:34:49 PM
awww you're just jealous!
Stupid title, bad idea for a movie by The_Deathticle	Oct 19th, 2006 12:37:19 PM
"Hannibal Rising"???? Really? That's the title? An IMDb title search just returned at least 44 titles like that. "Somebody/Something Rising." It's almost as bad as all of those "Blanking Somebody" titles from a couple of years ago. This movie will be ridiculous. It sounds more like "Hannibal Begins." He learns the way of the samurai? Are you kidding me? Can't we also have him experimented on by the Nazis as they replace his teeth with adamantium dentures? Hannibal Lecter was so much more interesting when his enigma was intact. The problem with "explaining" the origins of characters like him is that the explanation is usually always lamer than what our own imaginations have cooked up. "Hannibal Rising?" More like "My Apathy Rising." Or maybe "My Breakfast Rising."
I pass by Cory849	Oct 19th, 2006 12:44:20 PM
I got excited for a second. Then it went "his aunt gong li" and "learned the way of the samurai." and that ended that. Cheque please.
Hannibal Rising... by abominate	Oct 19th, 2006 12:44:49 PM
...is a stupid name. Just like FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer. Rise of Anything sucks. But I'm glad to hear the film was good, because my hopes were not high, and I'm a big Silence / Hannibal fan.
Hannibal STILL Knows What You Did Last Summer by Ill Clinton	Oct 19th, 2006 12:45:27 PM
Hmmm, you can't just post the subject any more. This was red when I typed it.
"As good as Hannibal" by CatVutt	Oct 19th, 2006 12:46:00 PM
Well, that pretty much sets the bar as low as it can go, doesn't it? Seriously, this sounds dreadful.
Sound good by Teamwak	Oct 19th, 2006 12:46:21 PM
I think i will be checking this out. Oh and Red Dragon was pretty cool. Much better than Hanibal (although youve got to love Ray Liotta being fed his own brain).
I hated Hannibal... by emeraldboy	Oct 19th, 2006 12:49:16 PM
I remember hearing there was a scene in Hannibal Rising where cracks open the skull of german soldier and tucks in and I thought no, I will not be seeing this.
Lost all credit with "as good as hannibal" by AdrianVeidt	Oct 19th, 2006 12:52:11 PM
But i do like everything else he had to say... even though i wasn't blown away by red dragon or anything, at least not from the hannibal side of things.
"Hannibal" Was Atrocious by AliaAtreides	Oct 19th, 2006 12:59:22 PM
If that's what the new one's like (i.e. all reveling in gore with no characters that you actually like or even can root for), then count me out. "Hannibal" has to be the worst movie Ridley Scott ever directed. Even Rat-Man's "Red Dragon" was better.
"Hannibal" Was Atrocious by AliaAtreides	Oct 19th, 2006 12:59:38 PM
If that's what the new one's like (i.e. all reveling in gore with no characters that you actually like or even can root for), then count me out. "Hannibal" has to be the worst movie Ridley Scott ever directed. Even Rat-Man's "Red Dragon" was better.
Gotta love how every origin story these days by BirdMcMonster	Oct 19th, 2006 01:09:17 PM
has to involve escape from the Nazis and far Eastern martial arts training. If ANYONE'S backstory could have done without these cliches, it's Lecter.
Will Harry take any 5-year olds to this? by Badger999	Oct 19th, 2006 01:14:14 PM
Since he said it was okay to take that kid to "The Omen" because it had a kid in it, then why not this movie, since it has a kid being eaten?
if its "as good as hannibal"... by binarybender	Oct 19th, 2006 01:14:32 PM
... then im gonna avoid it like the plague. also, red dragon was shit and utterly pointless, especially since manhunter was so cool, albit a tad dated. brian cox rules.
I haven't read the book, but... by Rakafraker	Oct 19th, 2006 01:19:02 PM
...if Hannibal was German, how could his Aunt (In Paris, no less) be Asian? Of, course all Asians know their Samurai and Ninja techniques, right? Sheesh! It must have been his blood Uncle that married her, right? ...And then he died? That's it. I'm gonna read the book now.
HANNIBAL is highly underrated... by Messiahman	Oct 19th, 2006 01:24:00 PM
The reson most people don't like the rather brilliant HANNIBAL stems mainly from the fact that they were really just expecting more SIlENCE OF THE LAMBS, rather than the outrgeous grand guignol horrors on display here. The only thing that could truly elevate it to masterpiece level would be if Scott had filmed the novel's original, bleak ending (one of the best and biggest literary "fuck yous" in existence). And anyone who honestly thinks that the styleless, by-the-numbers, cash-in RED DRAGON is better than HANNIBAL needs to have their head examined. Ratner's hackery isn't even in the same league.
Calling Bullshit.... by flamingrunt	Oct 19th, 2006 01:25:36 PM
Theres nothing here that wasnt in the earlier plot descriptions
as good as Hannibal? Ugh... by Datascream	Oct 19th, 2006 02:13:08 PM
I really hated that movie. And I thought Red Dragon was a much better movie altogether. So if this one is better the Red Dragon and as good as Hannibal? I have no idea where to go with this one.
Most simpletons can't appreciate Hannibal by slone13	Oct 19th, 2006 02:26:54 PM
As Messiahman noted, the masses of average intelligence didn't want to wrap their heads around something new. They wanted Silence of the Lambs 2. And that's not what they got. Thankfully.
Hannibal (book) > Hannibal (movie) by Badger999	Oct 19th, 2006 02:39:40 PM
I've read Dragon, Silence, and Hannibal, and Hannibal is easily the weakest of the three. To me, it reads like a good story poorly written. However, the book is still better than the movie. I think it was the (comparitively) feel-good ending that bothered me most, considering the book's much darker and more sinister ending, where Hannibal remains villainous instead of becoming an anti-hero. All of that aside... I don't think it's an issue of people being incapable of appreciating Hannibal. I think there's not much there to appreciate. The movie just isn't particularly good. Honestly, it's very, very bland. Aside from the brain scene, there's not much in the movie that's even particularly memorable.
Abbott and Costello Meet Hannibal Lecter by Mgmax	Oct 19th, 2006 02:40:29 PM
That's about where we are with this series. Or at least Hannibal Vs. Predator.
On a scale of one to sauce I'd give it Alfredo by hugmeplease	Oct 19th, 2006 02:41:15 PM
I saw the screening last night, too. The middle act sags and the ending is totally expected. Nice performance from the young frog that plays Hannibal though. None of that bothered me much but what did grind my gears is they have a Japanese female character named "Lady Murasaki"! As we say in the Land of the Rising Sun -- kusai!!
How can anyone say Slience is Shit by emeraldboy	Oct 19th, 2006 02:47:04 PM
That has best endings to a film ever and I am not talking about the ambulance scene. The bit where Clarice is trying to bring down Buffalo bill and doesnt realise that Buffalo bil stalking her in the darkness with the night vision goggles is one of the most nerve shredding things i have ever scene. You want to shout out he's behind you Jodie.
Time to Play "Block this Trend" by bobbyjoe	Oct 19th, 2006 02:52:54 PM
Y'know, I actually like Showtime's "Dexter," but WTF is going on with this trend towards making serial killers into misunderstood super crime fighters or whatever? Could somebody please block this trend before somebody makes a buddy movie where Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer team up to fight crime like Starsky and Hutch?
Learns the way of the Samurai???? by Drewchem08	Oct 19th, 2006 03:00:18 PM
Is this a Hannibal origins movie or Wolverine's? Do we really need origin stories for everyone. Darth Vader was the biggest big bad around until the prequels. Now he is nothing more than the Emperor's gimp. Hollywood no more origin movies please let's leave somethings a mystery.
still sounds like crap....... by wolvenom	Oct 19th, 2006 03:01:01 PM
I took a serial killer class in university... and that is by no means at all how they are created. It seems to far out of left field. I'd rather something more psychologically disturbing, and strange like dahmer having come from a good family and just started experimenting, something about dead bodies that peaked his interest, and the 'sound bones clinking as they drop in a a pale'
bobbyjoe by Badger999	Oct 19th, 2006 03:01:35 PM
Shh... dude, don't give them any ideas!
How I know this review is fake by Milton Waddams	Oct 19th, 2006 03:14:31 PM
No one refers to their wife as the BatChick.
Ghost Dog by ElDobermann	Oct 19th, 2006 03:15:55 PM
Lecter learning THE WAY OF THE SAMURAI?...Ha!, buy the Jim Jarmusch dvd instead..Forrest Whitaker is fuck´n amazing!.
Ye gods... by The Grey Man	Oct 19th, 2006 03:20:48 PM
I love Ridley Scott, but "Hannibal" was a mess, and not entirely his fault. Anthony Hopkins' performance in these movies is on par with Jack Nicholson's in "Batman." So "Hannibal" was bad because it hinged on Hopkins, and Ratner's "Red Dragon" was crap for many different reasons, but one of them is the fact that they tried to make it a "Hannibal Lecter" movie, when obviously Hannibal is a supporting player. Mann's "Manhunter" was far superior and Cox as Lecter ruled.
Yeah us Simpletons wanted Silence of the Lambs 2 by modlight	Oct 19th, 2006 03:20:48 PM
Complete with good writing, suspense, actual characters, and a good ending. Instead we got Fangoria's first "prestige picture". They took any subtlety, class, and depth that had been created by Manhunter and Silence and turned the next two (Red Dragon) into forgettable slasher pics.
Question... by ldm882	Oct 19th, 2006 03:24:25 PM
This is kind of an aside, but I remember being told or reading somewhere an interesting fact about Hannibal (the book). Apparently, Thomas Harris didn't have much of a desire to continue Lecter's story any further than he already had with SOTL, so when the studio kept pressuring him to write a book they could adapt, and after being offered enough money, he decided to write Hannibal as a thoroughly un-filmmable book. Has anyone else ever heard this? It certainly makes a lot of sense to me, having both read the novel and seen the film adaptation.
Nananananananananana BATCHICK! by DOGSOUP	Oct 19th, 2006 03:41:50 PM
They left out the part where Hannibal has a fight with the Silver Samurai and watches his fiance killed and has to live in the woods of Canada like an animal until Alpha Flight recruits him and he eats Puck.
It's been said before but I'll say it again by KCMOSHer	Oct 19th, 2006 03:53:11 PM
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I agree with Messiahman, actually -- I loved Hannibal by emu47	Oct 19th, 2006 03:54:50 PM
Hated the happy ending, but what are you going to do? And to those who say there's nothing to like about it -- really? You already mentioned the brain sequence, and to that I would add the really fun bit of cat-and-mouse with Giancarlo Giannini hunting Lecter down. It's great because Giannini is very likable, but you know that he simply cannot win. He's a doomed man from the start, and it marks one of the few times where Hannibal kills a "good guy"-type, rather than some random assholes. Hannibal the film, for me, made Hannibal seem a lot more dangerous and evil. The trouble with his character has always been that you kind of feel like he wouldn't eat you if you were just polite enough about things. Then there's the whole great bit with Gary Oldman, who is hideous but great. Man-eating pigs, man ... Hannibal is a nasty film. I think you have to really like the genre to dig the film, but I do. And I dig the film a LOT. Ratner's Red Dragon is an exercise in total mediocrity.
The main Problem with hannibal was.. by emeraldboy	Oct 19th, 2006 03:56:45 PM
the 2nd half of the movie. that happened after he gutted inspector Pozzi like a fish. Then the studio took over and said we must have body count and we got body count. Julianne Moore spent all her acting capitol with this film and her career has suffered as a result. She really is not that good of an actress. The more hannibal went, the nastier it became. Ridley Scott should not filmed the ending of the book as he did becuase he made it look like there was going to be a fourth hannibal film. There wont be. I did read somewhere that Universal and ridley scott were going to make 4 hour 2 part mini movie with an all new ending that would have wrapped the whole thing up. Ie that the FBI were waiting for Lecter in Guatamala and shot him dead. or something. I hated the fact that we were left hanging at the very end. The movie was a mess.
Uh, no... by CatVutt	Oct 19th, 2006 03:57:50 PM
The reason us simpletons didn't like Hannibal was because it committed the most egregious of all 'thriller' sins: It was horrifically dull in LONG stretches, compounded by the fact that the supposed 'shocks' were reduced to laugh-out-loud, gimme-a-fucking-break moments. It was painful to sit through, although I remember watching the alternate opening on the DVD afterwards and wondering why the hell they didn't use that, as it seemed like an improvement.
He thought HANNIBAL was better than RED DRAGON. by brokentusk	Oct 19th, 2006 03:57:52 PM
So this review means nothing to me.
Am I the only person here by lucky slevin	Oct 19th, 2006 04:04:35 PM
Am I the only person here who thought Hannibal and Manhunter were great movies??
re: lucky slevin by emu47	Oct 19th, 2006 04:07:12 PM
Emphatically: no! I'm with you on both counts.
The first positive thing I've heard about Hannibal... by Chief Redcock	Oct 19th, 2006 04:09:00 PM
....which I actually mildly liked, in a head cheese kind of way. Ridley Scott, Hopkins, and nice cinematography will get me, no matter how over-the-top the script is. Red Dragon is a very fun and watchable film as well, though neither holds a candle to Silence and Manhunter... could this be good? I loved Girl with a Pearl Earring, so I have confidence in the director... in fact, I'm predicting this'll be the best of the post-Silence Hannibal films.
Rotten Tomatoes is still around? by slone13	Oct 19th, 2006 04:21:39 PM
That site is awful. And sooo 3 years ago.
There was class in Manhunter?? by W3bzpinn3r	Oct 19th, 2006 04:24:43 PM
Manhunter was horrid. It was just an episode of Miami Vice. It took an intricate tortured villain and watered him down to just a thug wearing nylons on his head. It took an ex-cop, who was running from himself and his past, and turned him into an action hero. Brian Cox, normally a fantastic actor, seemed to have phoned-in his acting as Lecter. The shoot out at the end of Manhunter was straight out of an 80's TV B-movie. Hannibal wasn't much better, but Gary Oldman was perfectly creepy. Silence and Red Dragon were the best of the movies. Silence was a perfect psychological thriller/police procedural, and Red Dragon was a great Cat-N-Mouse movie. Plus Red Dragon is one of the few serial killer movies to make the point that a serial killer is not just a monster out for power, but an emotional human as well. Hannibal Rising, though, looks and sounds like crap. The backstory with Hannibal's sister being eaten, and a samurai training is riddiculous. He should have been a child who tortured animals, enjoyed inflicting pain on others, with an overprotective mother. He'd have taken psychology classes to refine his control of people's behavior as well as probably some surgical training to explain the skill he used to dice his victims.
I loved Hannibal by Purgatori	Oct 19th, 2006 04:37:43 PM
the book and loved the movie until the end. I loved the fact that Clarice wound up with him in the book and that he got away with what he'd done and got his girl. It was beautifully written and I think they could have gotten away with it on screen. The brain eating scene actually happened in the book, and I was impressed by how they pulled off something so fucked up. I would have preferred the books ending though. But I'm sure there would have been "concerned" people that would have objected to it.
Damn you Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Oct 19th, 2006 04:39:47 PM
Damn you Michael Bay
Right on, W3bzpinn3r by slone13	Oct 19th, 2006 04:40:56 PM
Manhunter was an extremely dated, very average 2 hour episode of Miami Vice. At best.
Deep Rising Rising! by JackPumpkinhead	Oct 19th, 2006 05:12:22 PM
Yeah, that's what the world needs. Oh, and this will be a piece of crap, obviously - perhaps even worse than Ratt Dragon. Oh, the times of Silence of the Lambs and the unmatched classic for the intelligent viewer, Manhunter...
why's everybody always raggin on rat? by soup74	Oct 19th, 2006 05:15:43 PM
add me to the list of the people who think red dragon was better than hannibal. in fact, i think i listen to the opinons on this site too often, (which i know is a big error) i went into x-men 3 expecting it to be the worst thing ever..and while it was the lesser of the x-movies, it wasnt as vomit-inducing as i was led to believe from reading this site. (perhaps that was from lowered expectations though)
Hannibal the Book by readingwriter	Oct 19th, 2006 05:27:40 PM
...was a fairy tale, with the Beast winning Beauty. The movie was a halfassed attempt at a thriller that kinda caught the book's tone in some ways--the cinematography of Mashed Potato Face's estate--but couldn't go all the way to Kubrickian black comedy, which was the only way to film it so the ending worked. I expected so much more from Scott.
Hannibal sucked because the book sucked by ebolamonkey	Oct 19th, 2006 05:37:52 PM
Thomas Harris committed the sin of loving his character more than the story. Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs were great stories about the pursuit and capture of serial killers. It was extremely dissappointing to finally get into the mind of Hannibal only to find his thoughts and actions were driven by sophmoric revenge fantasies.
I KNOW WHO YOU ATE LAST SUMMER by badboymason	Oct 19th, 2006 05:41:13 PM
:)
I think I'm one of the few ones who loved Hannibal by MrFloppy	Oct 19th, 2006 05:54:07 PM
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"Coming to Next Gen Consoles" by Ridge	Oct 19th, 2006 06:01:20 PM
Made by Capcom... Hannibal Rising! You're a photographer, trapped in Paris with over 50,000 hannibal zombies... sorry. Just reminiscing over a good game with a good title and then hearing about this flick with its shit title... maybe a title like 'Young Hannibal' would still be crap but not as crap as 'Hannibal rising'
Hannibal's Real Name Revealed to be... by Larry of Arabia	Oct 19th, 2006 06:30:51 PM
"Tommy."
addendum by JohnnyDeath	Oct 19th, 2006 06:35:51 PM
For the record I went in with the lowest of expectations. This may have helped. Also note that this is kinda aimed at mainstream audiences and could almost pass as a standard "revenge" flick. As for the samurai stuff I could only smile (almost winced, many will wince) when Hannibal dons a lower half face samurai/oni mask that resembles... well you get it. But no appologies for enjoying this flick as much as I did. It really is better than expected. I also thought I would HATE X3, and found I enjoyed it, but it aint no X 1 or 2 (X2 is the best). I prefer Manhunter to Red Dragon. Love Silence and Hannibal.
Hannibal Rising? by Ironmuskrat	Oct 19th, 2006 07:18:38 PM
What does that even mean? Is the next sequel going to be a porn flick?
Preach it, Messiahman! by Somerichs	Oct 19th, 2006 07:20:49 PM
Hannibal rocks, Red Dragon, if not complete crap (if for no other reason than i got to see all the stuff from Red Dragon the book on film), is at least a small turd. i felt like i was experiencing deja vu thru the whole movie. I have all kinds of love for Manhunter, dated though it may be. the whole sequence with "In-A-Gadda-da-vida" playing rocks beyond all reason, as does Tom Noonan as Francis Dolarhyde ("You owe me awe!") and Brian Cox as Hannibal Lecter ("Operator, could you help me please, I don't have the use of my arms")...AND I HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO DENNIS FARINA AS JACK CRAWFORD. a hundred times better than Scott Glenn in Silence could ever hope to be, and much closer in spirit to how he's written in the book (to be fair, much of his backstory in SOTL the book did not find it's way into the movie.)
Hannibal learns the way of the samuria too soon by pandamaster83	Oct 19th, 2006 07:26:41 PM
while having a beer and cheating on Prime's flaming nipples.
"Hannibal" was not because of Thomas Harris love by W3bzpinn3r	Oct 19th, 2006 07:42:51 PM
I read an paraphrased interview in a magazine back when "Hannibal" was released in novel form that said Thomas Harris was, in fact, disturbed by the celebrity in which Hannibal Lecter received. He wrote the book hoping that it would be 'unfilmable" and that people would lose interest in Lecter once the mystery behind his early life was revealed. Also, my responses to various posts.... "In a gadda da vida" segment was THE WORSE THING in Manhunter. Tom Noonan didn't look or act like Dolarhyde, but rather like a no-name James Bond thug. Cox slept thru his scenes. He's (Lektor) is confronted by the man who put him in prison for life, and he barely even looks like he's awake... And Scott Glenn was the best Crawford, because he actually LOOKS the part of a typical behavioral sciences FBI guy. Farina and Keitel look more like action-type Miami police chiefs than thinking, psychological-profile men.
If Hannibal ate this reviewer, he'd be vegetarian. by themikejonas	Oct 19th, 2006 07:55:40 PM
You know what I mean.
Hannibal Rising....Untouchables 2: Capone Rising.... by LHombreSiniestro	Oct 19th, 2006 08:19:52 PM
why can't they stay down?
The title "Hannibal Rising" by Roy Neary	Oct 19th, 2006 08:39:08 PM
Is from Thomas Harris's next novel coming in December. It's all him.
Sorry by Roy Neary	Oct 19th, 2006 08:43:24 PM
Check Amazon.
Hey you fucktards, stop hating on Manhunter by No Talent Ass Clown	Oct 19th, 2006 09:25:01 PM
That movie was fantastic. Don't make me go all Hannibal on you...
? by No Talent Ass Clown	Oct 19th, 2006 09:28:54 PM
Some people just have too much time on their hands.
Manhunter much better than Red Dragon by Moa Kaka	Oct 19th, 2006 09:30:47 PM
Peterson's performance sooo much better than Norton's. The villian in both movies were not scary anyway, but in Manhunter, you didn't need the scare - Peterson's Graham was afraid of what was going on inside his own head, not some external threat. On the other hand, Norton played the character (or the director made him do it) like he was actually afraid of the villain. He didn't come off very well as a burned-out FBI guy, just seemed like some wuss. Boring from beginning to end.
I know everyone thinks they're cool for knowing about by CTU Mole	Oct 19th, 2006 09:49:12 PM
about Manhunter (Hannibal Lecter was cool before he sold out, man) but it really did suck. Brian Cox was terrible and the movie couldn't be more 1980's if there was a Rubick's Cube in it. Having said that, Red Dragon was the most unnecessary remake ever. And that's saying something. As for this movie, someday someone will realize that the greatest movie villains are great because their stories leave a lot to the imagination and dissecting their backstory does nothing but dilute them.
Manhunter by AliaAtreides	Oct 19th, 2006 10:34:28 PM
Manhunter sucked because William Petersen sucks. Just like everybody else on the turgid CSI Trilogy.
Attention... class in session... by W3bzpinn3r	Oct 19th, 2006 11:06:50 PM
The brilliant coughgigglecough "Peterson's performance sooo much better than Norton's." No, the performances centered on different aspects of the same literary character. Peterson chose to focus more on the psychotic breakdown, Norton focused on the retired familyman who is trying to escape his past. "The villian in both movies were not scary anyway" Dolarhyde was not meant to be 'scary,' he's supposed to be a tragic character. A man who is rebelling against his inner demons. He's both man and monster. Fiennes got the idea, Noonan did not. "Peterson's Graham was afraid of what was going on inside his own head, not some external threat. On the other hand, Norton played the character (or the director made him do it) like he was actually afraid of the villain." Norton is far more believable because he had fear. He's put himself and his family at risk to save the lives of others from a delusional man. I hope there isn't one person here who would not be fearful under those circumstances. To worry about your loved ones is perfectly natural. "He didn't come off very well as a burned-out FBI guy, just seemed like some wuss. Boring from beginning to end." You obviously never met a man who has seen true horrors. I've known some retired police officers who have seen some truly horrendous things. They don't want to talk about it either. Norton played Graham as a man who just wanted to spend time with his family, not go on one last hurrah. Peterson played Graham as a man who wanted to prove to himself he's not a nutcase by going up against another nutcase... with blaring music and glass flying everywhere.
"Silence" is the best horror film ever made. by blackwood	Oct 19th, 2006 11:55:58 PM
Yet, anyway. I loved "Hannibal" too - but they're not remotely comparable. "Silence" is a master class. "Hannibal" is just a good show. Hope this one follows suit - but I agree we need an end to Origins overall.
Manhunter is a great film by The Atomic Worm	Oct 20th, 2006 12:06:44 AM
So STFU haters
From Justin to Kelly by RedScab	Oct 20th, 2006 12:47:38 AM
I wish lector would eat the entire American Idol cast!!! Now that's entertainment.
I'll check it out, to be sure. by Paul T. Ryan	Oct 20th, 2006 01:14:03 AM
Oh and does anyone else think that the muppett Harry resembles Peter Griffin just a little?
Fly on Hannibal's head by BenBraddock	Oct 20th, 2006 02:40:05 AM
Did anybody else out there notice that big fly landing on Perkins' head during the scene in "Hannibal" where he tells the Italian cop "I'm giving serious thought to eating your wife.."? It was a good line, but the fly ruined it for me.
Fucking idiot by deanamatronix	Oct 20th, 2006 03:05:48 AM
doesn't say spoilers and then starts giving away shit. You're an idiot, Johnny “Chuck” Death.
Mystery extraction machine by Franklin T Marmoset	Oct 20th, 2006 03:13:40 AM
This prequel phenomenon is strange to me. I can't think of one that's very good, but those Hollywood fellows keep turning them out, all shiny and ready to remove the intrigue from characters who are best left with a bit of mystery. If we have to have a Hannibal prequel, how about one where he attends culinary school? He doesn't kill anyone, just learns about sauces and whatnot. That could be good. This was my first post on this Ain't It Cool News. Thank you.
I would say Ashok0 is a troll, however.... by No Talent Ass Clown	Oct 20th, 2006 05:08:54 AM
I guess I was the troll first, since I called people "fucktards." I wasn't really trying to flame, I just love the term "fucktard." Anyway, I still say Manhunter is a great movie--far better than From Justin to Kelly. BTW, Justin and Kelly could kick Jack Bauer's ass in under 10 seconds.
More evidence of Manhunter's excellence... by No Talent Ass Clown	Oct 20th, 2006 05:19:56 AM
Check out the RT rating of 92%. Then go read some of the reviews that heap praise on the film. Hate on Manhunter all you want. The fact remains that Mann made an excellent film.
Sorry, but I discount all those who diss MANHUNTER by Messiahman	Oct 20th, 2006 05:58:37 AM
Really, though the film and its style are certainly products of their time, MANHUNTER is far and away more more interesting than the nigh-unwatchable RED DRAGON. Petersen gives a fantastic turn as the tortured Will Graham while Noonan is perfectly cast as the creepily childlike Dolarhyde. And Brian Cox may not be as in-your-face as Hopkins, but he's much closer to the simmering evil in Harris' original book (and seriously, Cox has NEVER given a bad performance -- for crissakes, he was even excellent in SUPERTROOPERS!) As for Farina, seeing that the guy was actually in real law enforcement for thirty years or so, I'd say he fits his role quite well, thank you very much. All in all, it's a pretty damn exceptional film whose glossy surface belies and ultimately amplifies the darkness inherent to the story. I like that MANHUNTER, SILENCE and HANNIBAL are all directed by different and distinct visual stylists, as they're all doing very different things on a story level -- MANHUNTER is a slick procedural, SILENCE is a gritty game of mental cat-and-mouse and HANNIBAL works because it's a straight-up, giallo-esque horror movie (and seriously, Julianne Moore is fucking TERRIFIC here -- anyone who says otherwise must be blind and deaf). As for RED DRAGON, the only style and atmosphere here is ineptly aped from Demme's film. There's no [i]there[/i] there. The performances are listless and flat, the tension is missing, and the atmosphere is non-existent. The movie is as pedestrian and mechanical as they come, and those who are here defending it may as well just buy their advance tickets to RUSH HOUR 3 right now; Ratner is Hollywood's uberhack, and nothing the guy has done has been remotely interesting. Twenty years from now, RED DRAGON won't even be a footnote in film history books.
Oh, and W3bzpinn3r... by Messiahman	Oct 20th, 2006 06:02:04 AM
Thanks for the hilarious posts. It's always entertaining to read a post from someone whose only taste resides in their mouths. :-) Sorry, but I'm gonna have to bow out of your little "class" -- I find it best not to study under teachers who flunked out of school. Class dismissed.
BooYaaaa!!!!! by No Talent Ass Clown	Oct 20th, 2006 06:26:43 AM
Kick ass Messiahman
Franklin T - Prequels by CatVutt	Oct 20th, 2006 06:28:16 AM
If the Godfather II counts, then that's the only one I can think of that really worked, and even that's a bit of a cheat because of the films duality in nature.
"flunked out of school"? ha! by W3bzpinn3r	Oct 20th, 2006 06:49:38 AM
I've more education than probably 98% of this talkback put together. I also know far more about the subject than you do, obviously, but hey, to each their own. Enjoy your "crappy even for an 80's movie" Manhunter. No sense continuing this, coz I find it gives me a headache to talk down to your level, so I'll be the better man and call this discussion over. Ta-ta.
CatVutt by Franklin T Marmoset	Oct 20th, 2006 06:50:30 AM
Thank you, CatVutt. I suppose we should be grateful Godfather II was made in the seventies. If it was being made now, the prequel part would be about young Michael Corleone, how he meets Annie Hall, decides not to be a part of the Mafia lifestyle, etc. Also, possibly with some suggestion that he is the long awaited 'chosen one' of la cosa nostra.
Okay, W3bzpinn3r by Messiahman	Oct 20th, 2006 07:01:15 AM
For someone so quick to tout their intellect on an internet talkback (and I don't need to point out the irony in the irony in that one) you sure seem unable to pick up on basic metaphors, don't ya? But hey, feel free to bow out now if that floats your boat. I hereby accept your surrender. It's always fun to kick someone's ass in an internet debate only to have them offer their own final humiliation by brazenly stating that they're too good for the conversation. And hey, here's hoping that you never teach any film theory classes because, man, I'd have better odds learning grammar from Harry. Buh-bye now.
Hey deanamatronix by JohnnyDeath	Oct 20th, 2006 07:30:25 AM
did you miss the: "Might be some spoilery stuff below, but our reviewer doesn't go too deep into the events of the flick. Still, tread carefully if you're afraid of spoilers." and nothing too spoilered in there. Johnny "Chuck" Death
Plant plant plant! by 3 Bag Enema	Oct 20th, 2006 09:23:11 AM
Planty plant plant! P-L-A-N-T!
Fiennes was ok as Tooth Fairy.... by The Atomic Worm	Oct 20th, 2006 11:15:02 AM
...but not nearly as creepy as Noonan. One thing that kind of ruined Red Dragon for me was the whole Norman Bates angle that the film gave the character... Fiennes' whole conversation with "Mother," or whoever, was cheesy, obvious, derivative, and just about sinks the entire film... say what you will about Manhunter, at least Mann had the judgment to use some restraint with his Tooth Fairy... which just makes the character all the more creepy. No sweeping camera moves into the nursery home to learn about his childhood... no sir. And I had fun with Red Dragon, but it wasn't a wart on the ass of Manhunter.
"As good as Hannibal" = Sleepy Crap by Blaquesmith	Oct 20th, 2006 11:45:15 AM
I fell asleep in those crappy film... The book was good, though.
Well, I discount all those who say "pickle smokers" by Messiahman	Oct 20th, 2006 01:31:48 PM
Seriously, it's a really sad state of affairs when you're so unoriginal that you can do little else but ape someone else's posts -- hey, President Evil, THAT must be why you prefer Ratner's version! You see a kindred spirit in that you too have nothing original or interesting to say; it's just a tired old diatribe defending a pisspoor film, with a posting style copied straight from me. Newsflash, genius, no one here is expressing their admiration for MANHUNTER to be different. Rather, they just have better taste than you. But hey, don't feel too bad. The internet is filled to the brim with fans of really awful movies, so you're amongst good company. The real truth here is that MANHUNTER is widely considered to be the superior film -- a quick look at critical reviews and fan reactions plainly reveals that. Deal with the fact that you've got shitty taste and move on. Your posts are even as fun as W3bzpinn3r's.
BenBraddock, go watch by Jbud	Oct 20th, 2006 01:47:33 PM
the other Perkins in the last scene of Psycho. Coincidence or homage?
as good as Hannibal?!?! by Schih Thayde	Oct 20th, 2006 03:27:56 PM
Wow! Then this one can suck my balls too!
And isn't Gong Li Chinese? by Schih Thayde	Oct 20th, 2006 03:32:13 PM
What the fuck would she know about Japanese military philosophy? A grand ball-sucking occasion, I tell you.
Ashok0, I know you have a crush on Ratner.... by The Atomic Worm	Oct 20th, 2006 09:55:07 PM
...but that doesn't discount the fact that his film was an unsubtle, garish freak show. Also, check Rotten Tomatoes. Manhunter = 92% favorable. Red Dragon = 70% favorable. BOO-YAAAHHH!!!!!!!!
Anyway Ashok0... by The Atomic Worm	Oct 20th, 2006 10:00:21 PM
...you think Se7en is better than Silence of the Lambs, so who cares what you think?
Hey Ashoko, if you're gonna try to quote me... by Messiahman	Oct 20th, 2006 10:15:53 PM
You might want to, y'know, not misspell the word MANHUNTER is your friggin' title. Oh, and learn to communicate coherently -- that'll save the you future embarassment of me calling you out on being a tool in future posts. Better yet, keep it up -- humiliating you is fun and oh-so-easy.
Manhunter is better than you are by darwinmayflower	Oct 20th, 2006 11:57:25 PM
Manhunter is fabulous. It has it's flaws, but it has mood and is great. Leave CSI out of it, he was great back then! Silence is amazing as well. the rest are worthless shite.
Harris' big F.U. to fans by shellfishh	Oct 21st, 2006 03:58:31 PM
Hannibal, the book, was a huge 'go fornicate yourself' to fans and to Jodie Foster. I knew the minute I read it there would be no way in hell Jodie had anything to do with it. The book had FBI agents wondering if Starling was a lesbian, and had an ending of Starling and Lechter going of on a romantic tour of Europe as lovers. Hmmm..wonder why it was changed for the movie? Harris is doing nothing but cashing in paychecks.
Manhunter is far better than Hannibal. by Walterego	Oct 22nd, 2006 09:39:14 PM
Manhunter was very cool for its time. William Peterson's character was more interesting than Edward Norton's in Red Dragon, although I prefer Rafe Fiennes' Tooth Fairy and Emily Watson also. But Norton played the character straight as a normal detective. He was fine but that could have been any actor cast as Graham. Graham portrayed as just an intuitive but unremarkable fed could be played by every male actor from Willis to Wahlberg. Peterson as Graham was a more distinct character. Manhunter might seem very similar to in tone to Miami Vice, but for most fans of cop shows/movies that is a good thing. Hannibal on the other hand is just garbage. I sympathized entirely with each of Hannibal's opponents, from the Italian cop to Ray Liotta's gleefully un-PC fbi agent, with the exception of Clarice Starling. Poor Ray. His death scene was repugnant. Moore's Clarice was just too dumb to live in that movie, why Hannibal doesn't just kill her at the end is beyond me. If he is supposed to be in love with a pathetic and helpless character like hers (so different from Jodie's fiercely intelligent and competent Clarice) then that is just cheesy sentiment.
Loved it by gary10722	Oct 24th, 2006 06:05:59 PM
I was fortunate to see a free screening in Edgewater recently. I loved the film. Cinematography was outstanding and Ulliel's performance was tremendous. To clarify, Lecter is by no means "training" to become a Samauri, or anything of that nature. He is simply embracing culture. For those true fans of Lecter, we know what a cultured individual he is. Kendo, and the sword are only a small part of the Japanese traditions. Lecter's first victem insults Li Gong's charachter, and the reason Lecter uses the Kendo sword to slay him is in honor of her. This film is original, and vastly superior Ratner's horrific remake of Manhunter. Ulliel did a fine job. One can see he studied the way Hopkins portrayed Lecter. Well done.
Sister's death spoilt character by Avengerdude	Nov 12th, 2006 11:17:16 AM
I was very disappointed when I read in the last novel, that Hannibal's cannibalism had originated with the death of his sister. I loved the idea of a man who considered himself so above the rest of the human race: he saw them as merely "free range rude". I was glad they missed that out of the film, it didn't have much else going for it.

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