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Fincher's ZODIAC screens!!!

FIRST !!! by eegah	Oct 13th, 2006 06:22:10 AM
Cant wait for this !!
Dread is very hard to do well by Teamwak	Oct 13th, 2006 07:15:17 AM
Looking forward to this. Fincher is a master of mood and dread. This should be doozey, as they say.
Hi Def by weirzbowski	Oct 13th, 2006 07:30:17 AM
"It was filmed in the new Hi-Def system that Mann used earlier this summer in Miami Vice and is equally as gorgeous and crystal clear." --Am I the only one that thought Miami Vice looked like a pixilated heap of digital trash? Beautiful, I think not - different maybe, but beautiful? No.
"breakout Oscar Worthy performance" - PLANT! by brycemonkey	Oct 13th, 2006 08:03:58 AM
Really, who talks like that? Anyway, thanks IndustryKiller, I think you have given us a real insight. I hope Fincher can get 'it' back. He peaked with Fight Club which is an iconic movie (backed up by progressively improving movies The Game and Seven). I just hoped he'd be able to keep improving or at least maintain this level of film making, but I suppose this is slightly unrealistic. It seems like in his best movies (The Game, Seven and Fight Club) he has been able to tell fairly complicated stories in a direct and engaging manner. In Panic Room he couldn't tell a simple story in an engaging manner. And now it seems he can't tell a complicated story in almost 3 hours. I don't know if these are just bad choices from a story/script point of view or what. But he's gone from being the director who's movies I anticipated the most (and delivered on). To being one of those directors I can only watch through my fingers and pray for a return to form. And for the inevitable Trolls who start up that Fight Club is overrated bull shit: just go away, your remake/pre/sequel/reboots whatever are all you deserve.
"Fight Club defines the mentality of the Generation?" by JackRabbitSlim	Oct 13th, 2006 08:35:45 AM
I guess youre going to have to explain that one ... because I dont see a generation that slavishly drools over its Ipod and obsessing over how many features are on their latest cellphone to start firebombing Apple Stores. But I'm sure i'm missing the point...
Hilarious by Brendon	Oct 13th, 2006 08:37:36 AM
Of course the film was going to be tail-chasing tedium. Look who directed it, for chrissakes. A lot of good chuckles from that last review, however.
Huh? by 24200124	Oct 13th, 2006 09:29:40 AM
Dude, that first reviewer needs to believe in the healing power of COMMAS!
Fight Club defines the mentality of shit. by Nate Champion	Oct 13th, 2006 09:42:06 AM
Have fun shooting up a school full of little girls when you're pushing 40, overweight, and friendless, IndustryKiller. Maybe this could be fleshed out in a book? Try reading the book this is based on, you fucking wanker, and leave the movie in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing. It's people like you that are preventing interesting films from being made while we get more and more soulless crap like Fight Club. I'm thrilled that Fincher is tackling something different for once, so stay out of the fucking way.
"not as good as Fight Club" by BitterMan23	Oct 13th, 2006 09:49:21 AM
Wait, does this mean its not as good as Fight Club THINKS it is or just not as good as it REALLY is?
"Equally as gorgeous as Miami Vice" by BitterMan23	Oct 13th, 2006 09:50:19 AM
....which looked like shit during any scene set at nighttime.
Screw The Haters by Saluki	Oct 13th, 2006 10:04:09 AM
This is sounding better and better. Miami Vice was easily one of the best looking films this year. You can shove those fake Tim Burton sets up your ass.
Oh, Brian Cox shows up what a suprise! by Baron Karza	Oct 13th, 2006 10:15:04 AM
Remember when Tommy Lee Jones was in EVERYTHING after The Fugitive? Brian Cox is going to break his record.. if you look close he is in Grudge 2 and Snakes on a Plane.
So you guys are already giving up on Zodiac. by Lovecraftfan	Oct 13th, 2006 10:16:04 AM
Interesting how you guys can turn ona movie and a director in a second. It's kind of like the regular clockwork backlash that happens here. I'm still anticipating.
Obvious plants by PwnedByStallone	Oct 13th, 2006 10:16:22 AM
first two at least.
fook me you dickheads AK-47/Industry killer by axemurder	Oct 13th, 2006 11:04:23 AM
firstly AK-47 every post you make says plant ....fuck off. Industry killer you ignorant backwood american fuck, it is based on a fucking book, jesus, if knobheads like you get allowed into test screenings and are actually given a pen and paper no wonder 90% of Hollywood movies are fucking kak, i am beginning to belive that since that moron bush has been in power he has been draining your brains of what little cells they had , any country where 80% of the population do not own a passport should not be allowed to choose what stay and goes in films. Why can't the first two chaps just be into the movie ??????Why do they have to be plants, if you fucking chimps moved out of your moms basement and stopped fucking your sisters you would realise that we live in a world where people actually like movies and don't want to slag everything off left right and fucking center. wankstains.
PLANT FOOD= by Colonel Kane	Oct 13th, 2006 11:04:40 AM
"It was filmed in the new Hi-Def system that Mann used earlier this sumer in Miami Vice and is equally as gorgeous and crystal clear." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> "The movie, which was shot on uncompressed HD with Grass Valley Viper cameras, looked amazing. It appeared to be projected digitally, and the images were almost entirely noise/grain free, lending the period movie an additional sense of believability and often making me feel like I was there in 70’s with the characters, rather than watching a film in a theater. I’ve never seen HD look this good." Oh, reeaaalllllly????
Why does Harry hate paragraphs so? by Colonel Kane	Oct 13th, 2006 11:08:09 AM
The talkback format is so primitive. It's like they never moved past 1996. Where are the bells and whistles, dammit!!?
Good for Brian Cox by Colonel Kane	Oct 13th, 2006 11:10:28 AM
After getting fucked out of Silence of the Lambs, etc., he deserves it. I would take him over Hopkins in the Lector/Lecktor role...
the last review is ridiculous by blueblue	Oct 13th, 2006 11:45:50 AM
Don't you know what's the truth? Thay chaseed the killer trying their best, They should be respcted even though they found nothing. It's called justice!
An answer to any questions by IndustryKiller!	Oct 13th, 2006 12:05:38 PM
I stand by my Fight Club statement. First of all when I said it defines a mentality I didnt mean that we are all going to blow up buildings and beat the shit out of each other, you are taking it far too literally. What I meant was what was under the surface. The nihilism you just cant shake, the wanting something mroe but having no idea how to achieve it, the guarantee of being a rock star or movie god. If you dont like Fight Club fine, but its by no estimation a bad film. Now I realize what a big statement is. but they also say the song Smells Like Teen Spirit "defined a generation" and not every single person int he early 90's wore plaid and was depressed. As for the film being shot on HD thats absolutely true. In no way does it looks like Miami Vice, this film is very very clean. Brian Cox does has a very short role near the middle of the film, its one of the highlights of the film. As for the first review being a plant...hmmm....I dunno. Its definitely a bit too glowing, and I know no one sitting around me felt that way. A+++? Its either a plant or a fourteen year old girl and I didnt see any 14 year old girls. If you didnt realize that the scene that cuts to black is just waiting for footage to be put over it you must be some kind of idiot. Im actually very surprised the first two reviews are so positive, I felt it was the general concensus that it sort of sucked. My friend almost killed me for dragging him to it. I mean if you like watching a by the book cop drama of guys endlessly following one story after the next without anything actually happening then I guess this is the movie for you. I'm also a little baffled why people say this is an almost final cut. maybe they know something I dont but I cannot imagine this thing wont be edited like crazy before release. It doesn't even have a trailer yet. It's FAR too long at almost three hours and there is far toomuch extemporaneous bullshit for the studio not to want a much tighter cut.
Im well aware blueblue, also axemurderer by IndustryKiller!	Oct 13th, 2006 12:11:17 PM
And Is aid in the story the problem with the film may be the story itself. I know its a fact they chased lead after lead after lead and turned up nothing. But after seeing them on screen a few times doing it I sort of get the point. Keep in mind its three hours of this over and over again. Just because some of this stuff happened doesnt mean its all itneresting. And Axe Murderer Im wella ware it was a book, it would be difficult not to since they show it in the movie. What was your point by even saying that? Look guys I know you want to like this movie, I like David Fincher every bit as much as you do maybe even more and maybe by the time the final cut comes around we'll have a compelling film, but it just didnt work this time out.
3 hours is NOT TOO LONG ! by Wankeroo	Oct 13th, 2006 12:22:40 PM
I love a 3 hour movie. Fincher is awesome. If you didn't like Fight Club you didn't get it. Stay at home with your duvet on the couch and watch 24 or some other crap show. "finchery" means something to me because David Fincher stands out. I see his skillz and I say to myself "Damn!".
Fight Club by BobParr	Oct 13th, 2006 01:14:54 PM
"We're a generation of men raised by women". That about sums it up.
This is not a film about Zodiac. by SalvatoreGravano	Oct 13th, 2006 01:15:44 PM
It's a film about Artie Allen, who had as much to do with being the Zodiac as he had with being Jack the Ripper. Rename it to "Graysmith vs Allen" and it should be, er, fine.
"Its definitely a bit too by julee1985	Oct 13th, 2006 01:22:56 PM
"Its definitely a bit too glowing, and I know no one sitting around me felt that way. A+++?"--Well the guy I went with and the couple next to us felt the same way as I Industry
I guess there is no accounting for taste then by IndustryKiller!	Oct 13th, 2006 01:43:45 PM
I gotta say Julee if you wrote that first review some of those comments are ridiculous. First of all the film looks nothing like Miami Vice. That film has a rough, almost low budget shooting style wheras the film quality here is pristine HD. Its not an arguable thing, its a fact the film quality is totally different. Second of all its a near perfect film?? C'mon thats just absurd. Ill bet money right now no oscars get handed out and no one considers this a "classic" five years from now. The people of LA never cease to amaze me....
Fight Club Generation by readingwriter	Oct 13th, 2006 02:08:44 PM
I still recall my conversation with a smart college guy about Fight Club. I listened and listened, and finally said "You realize that the movie was MOCKING that mentality, right? The scene where Meatloaf was dead, and they all repeated his name? You didn't catch that the audience was supposed to see the foolishness of this whole thing?" He didn't.
Of course, even the main character by Novaman5000	Oct 13th, 2006 03:10:41 PM
sees the foolishness of that scene.
My biggest problem with Fight Club... by rbatty024	Oct 13th, 2006 03:41:22 PM
is that even though the main character realizes how awful fight club is, before there's any real critique the film makes a sharp turn for a dumbass "twist" ending where Edward Norton shoots himself in the head but somehow lives. The film spends most of the time building up the idea of fight club and a total of one-minute of critique.
I HATE THE ARCLIGHT ASSIGNED SEATING TOO by Charles Grady	Oct 13th, 2006 03:58:33 PM
The Arclight ostensibly operates on the principle that everyone there is a respectful movie lover, but especially recently, that is no longer the case. It is simply a Hollywood theater with the same smartass hipsters and morons as the Chinese. So for 14 bucks, you get the priviledge of ASSIGNED SEATING, meaning you HAVE to sit next to whoever is seated next to you. Bored guy on Blackberry? Too bad. Group of tittering women? Too bad. Guy with restless leg syndrome? TOO BAD. One time I was ASSIGNED-SEATED next to a guy who was SCRIBBLING NOTES during HISTORY OF VIOLENCE. I love a lot about the Arclight and the presentation is impeccable, but the audiences have gone from film lovers to generic date night assholes who talk like they would at the Burbank AMC, ONLY, AGAIN, YOU CAN'T CHANGE YOUR FUCKING SEAT when they plop down next to you.
rbatty: I think you missed the main thrust. by brycemonkey	Oct 13th, 2006 04:06:37 PM
The way I see it, it is about realising what you want to do/aspire to/be but feeling trapped or the feeling that it is impossible to change. A lot of people would like to change what they do, where they live, how people perceive them. But the question is, how? Do you just suddenly quit the job you hate to become a painter/pilot/whatever? You have bills to pay, mortgage and car payments. What will your parents/friends say? Fight Club is (to me) a very inspirational movie that has encouraged a lot of people I know to make changes to their lives. I don't see it as a 'twist' ending. Rather it is a clever plot device used to make the viewer raise further questions about themselves and the nature of aspiration. I think the ending is a very clever commentary that even the thing you aspire to be (in Norton's case: Tyler Durden) can end up trapping you in the same vicious circle you were in before. The grass is always greener etc. If you think it's about renouncing capitalism and starting an underground fighting club you may have oversimplified things. Although that is part of what makes it a great movie, it causes you to think and debate it's relative points and merits. I'd try rewatching it and reading a bit more into it. At least it's a visually stiking movie with great performances that makes you think. Which, lets be honest, is a rare thing. Just my opinion. Peace.
Now here's how I start every paragraph. by Christopher3	Oct 13th, 2006 04:34:16 PM
Now I think Fincher's best film is "The Game" another homage to 70s conspiracy flicks. Now I think this film is going to be great if it continues in a Klute/ATPM vein. Now on the same note I also think Fincher should helm the Parallax View remake.
Another funny thing about seating at the Arclight... by vinceklortho	Oct 13th, 2006 05:25:31 PM
is that when the theatre is completely empty, such as a weekday matinee, people get pissed if you are sitting in their assigned seats. I mean, rules will not be broken if you don't sit in your assigned seat. It's like a Seinfeld episode.
I'd like to go at least 1 week around here... by Colonel Kane	Oct 13th, 2006 09:24:04 PM
without having to have Fight Club shoved down my fucking throat! It's a great movie girls, but Jesus Christ, change the channel please. It's insufferable...
What the hell is wrong with you Snuffles? by IndustryKiller!	Oct 13th, 2006 10:54:43 PM
Yes I liked the Departed, and I seem to be in the majority given that it is a complete commercial and critical success. Your vitriol toward it is almost creepy. You eevn inappropriately brought it up in The Prestige talkback. I can totally understand not enjoying it but I would almost think Scorcese fucked your girlfriend or something. ANyway you are pretty much an army of one in your little crusade. So let me ask you, how do you know by the time a film gets to test screening its their best stuff? Have alot of time in a professional editing room do you? Now as often as not a test screening can ruin a film, but sometimes a filmmaker, like any artist, needs an outside eye. it can be difficult to distinguish when one is so close to a project what is expendable and what isn't. Saying more time in the editing room is meaningless is a complete fucking farce of a statement as any filmmaker will tell you. Now studio forced cuts are a different story. If Fincher was adamant about this being the final cut I would support him in putting it out there, after all its his film and I believe the artist should have the final say. But at the current running time the movie doesn't sustain and frequently repeats itself and often meanders needlessly from the point. I do agree though that The Departed could have probably benefitted from less cuts. If you had trouble following the story, well that's just sad, because I nor anyone I know had trouble, but character wise I think some parts (the romance) could have been fleshed out a bit.
Now I know this film will be good! by blueblue	Oct 13th, 2006 11:50:38 PM
It semms Mr.IndustryKiller hates this film so much, and he even impertinently mocked at two other audiences who give really positive reviews to Zodiac. The intention is too obvious. He wants people to believe that the movie is fucking bad.He wants people to hate or dislike this movie so badly, and he is afraid of people will like this movie. I can see all the rage, dread and bias from his extreme opinion on the movie. It's deviant for someone to try so hardly to persuade everybody to believe a film will be bad. And now I know, this film will be really great because some extreme guy like Mr.IK doesn't like the movie badly, and I know when this happens, the movie will be one I love.
And I wouldhave gotten away with it if it wasnt for you by IndustryKiller!	Oct 14th, 2006 04:39:52 AM
BlueBlue. but you are right. I wanted to hate this movie, that I was dying to see. That I took the night off of work for because I was pretty sure that it would be the one that was screening. This movie that stars three of my favorite actors. That is directed by a director I love who also did Fight Club, one of my favorite movies of all time. Yes it makes total sense that I want to hate this movie. I get so much delight in shattering the little film bubble of you BlueBlue, Joe Q. Popcorn. But you, you were just too much for me. You revealed me for all the world to see. My review too negative, my motivations too shallow. shakes head Just fyi, while skeptical, I make it pretty clear Fincher has alot of time left to clean this up, so its not that I want the film to be bad. What I said, its its rough unfinished form, the film was bad. Im not trying to convince anyone to not go see it, I would still see it if I were you reading this, I think everyone should see it just so a guy as obviously talented as Fincher keeps creative freedom. Im just trying not to let anyone give obvious flaws a free pass due to over enthusiasm. I also dont HATE this movie, its just a dissappointing misfire is all, as of right now. Sheesh, now i know what Moriarty and Harry have to deal with on a daily basis.
Henry Gale apparently works with film, but by doc_manhattan	Oct 14th, 2006 06:40:09 AM
should seriously consider becoming a critic instead. He writes and observes better than most. Better than me, goddamnit.
And the trailer? by eltuco84	Oct 14th, 2006 09:10:49 AM
It was supossed to come out with The Departed
IndustryKiller!: Pay no attention to the morons. by brycemonkey	Oct 14th, 2006 10:56:38 AM
I for one appreciate you giving your opinion and find your reviews well written and insightful. I'm sure most people feel the same but the most vocal at present are ones who have gone off their meds. Pay them no heed and keep on doing what you are doing.
Whats the Zodiac Sign for Plant? by El Cimarron	Oct 14th, 2006 03:01:29 PM
I'm sure is during that lousy Schmarch month
No trailer, No Official website? WTF! by eltuco84	Oct 15th, 2006 02:28:32 PM
This movie comes out in three months, and not even an official site? maybe the people involved think because it's a David Fincher movie it's already a big hit.
Sauers Boys Play Gyllenhaal's Sons by ragingelf	Oct 22nd, 2006 04:23:07 PM
Has it happened before? Two kids/brothers playing ficitional brothers on what is a soon-to-be classic? Well that's what happened to the Sauers boys who were graciously given the chance of a lifetime by David Fincher. Micah (who plays David) and Zach (who plays Arron) both play Jake Gyllenhaal's sons. A special thanks goes out David, Jake and Chloe for making the boys feel so welcome. On another note while reading the reviews. It's immportant to remember that 'Zodiac' is about revolves around modern history, the characters portrayed (many are still with us) and the victims themselves died horrible graphic deaths. They deserve our respect.

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