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Massawyrm Says Don't Ignore INFAMOUS!! It's Much Better Than CAPOTE!!

WOOT by Mr Stiffy	Oct 12th, 2006 09:45:08 AM
FIRST!
Wow! by Mr Stiffy	Oct 12th, 2006 09:50:47 AM
OK, I can die a happy man now that I've been a firsty! On Topic: the wifey and I quite enjoyed Capote - we liked the smaller snapshot of his life, thought the events surrounding the writing of ICB really got into the mans head such that we didn't need a full birth-to-death bio pic. Interesting that "the other movie" chose the same end-points of his life. We'll definitely see his one as well, though it will likely be relegated to a DVD rental. Good review, thanks!
It is better then Capote.. by BigTuna	Oct 12th, 2006 09:51:44 AM
Saw it in Toronto during the film fest. I always thought Capote had great performances, but the film itself wasn't much. Infamous is a much better film, and after seeing Toby Jones as Capote, you start to question if PSH as Capote was that great after all. I feel bad though, because aftewr all the acclaim for Capote, this film will not get a fair shake.
Everybody calls Capote hollow. Are you guys serious! by Lovecraftfan	Oct 12th, 2006 10:06:01 AM
Am I really the only one here who loved Capote. People keep calling it slow or hollow but I never understood that. It was incredibly compelling to me and had a great core moral dilemma about how far Capote would go for his book. It was really well-written so many great lines and I loved the realtionship between Lee and Capote. I just don't get the hate esepcially from Mass. If you want to see dull and hollow watch The New World.
But, Massa, which film is better? by Captain Mal	Oct 12th, 2006 10:09:27 AM
"Infamous is quite simply the better film" "Across the board I find this film superior" "After seeing this, there’s almost no reason for the earlier film to exist" "once you’ve seen Infamous, you’ll never find a real reason to go back and visit Capote" "EVERY CHARACTER, is a hell of a lot more interesting here than in Capote" "This version of the story is simply better told" "Highly accessible, both fun and moving, this is hands down the better movie" "If for some reason you still haven’t seen Capote see this one instead" "While it is telling the same story, it tells it better" "this one just feels more authentic" "if I ever watch one of these films again, it’s gonna be Infamous" "Sure it’s not as slick and pretty – but it’s a better film" Come on, Massa. What's with all the ambiguity? Tell us how you really feel!
capote by cocolopez	Oct 12th, 2006 10:10:19 AM
wasn't a great film by any means- Infamous LOOKS much better- but sadly I'm over the Capote thing by now and I feel that most of the public is too... What's with all of the similar themed big-cast movies lately? Capote/Infamous, Illusionist/Prestige, Tideland/Pan's Labyrinth, etc. Okay- maybe they're not all too similar- but it look's that way on paper. Illusionist was incredible by the way- and I expect the same from The Prestige. would probably be an awesome double feature- as would Tideland and Pan's...
and love craft- by cocolopez	Oct 12th, 2006 10:15:22 AM
The New World was a beautiful film- a hundred times more soulful than Capote. PSH's performance was great- of course- but the script didn't really make you care for him- I hated him the whole time and the movie was rather mediocre and pointless. The New World- sure it was long- so was the Thin Red Line- but both of those film's (TM's latter day masterpieces) are so poetic that they transcend- at least to me- mere "movies"- they are true works of art and should be viewed as such...
Genius by NudeandAroused	Oct 12th, 2006 10:36:19 AM
Capote was a literary genius. He wasn't, however, the best of men. I wills ee this movie when it gets here (philly).
I guess I'm the only one who loved Capote by Lovecraftfan	Oct 12th, 2006 10:41:54 AM
I just thought it was such a moving compelling film. And as far as New World gorgeous film that did nothing for me emotionally. Dull dull film.
I want to see a movie about how in Hollywood by durhay	Oct 12th, 2006 10:43:23 AM
two movies based on the same subject get released at the nearly the same time. The cast would be made up of actors who share a resemblance to other stars, who are then playing the same character in the competing movies.
The New World bored the shit out of me by BigTuna	Oct 12th, 2006 10:52:01 AM
It did look beautiful yes, but I need more then just that. After awhile, you've seen one beautifully shot tree and waterfall, you've seen them all. The story sucked and was boring.
The New World by godzillasushi	Oct 12th, 2006 10:59:34 AM
Was great to look at, but your right tuna.....so long and drab. I think its a good movie, but not if your in the mood for something where you have to use your brain. Capote=etopaC
I loved the New World... by Bean_	Oct 12th, 2006 11:06:30 AM
But what does that have to do with Infamous/Capote?
Why the films both end at the same time? by JackRabbitSlim	Oct 12th, 2006 11:17:48 AM
Simple - Capote never wrote another book in his life - in fact he wrote hardly anything as his addictions engulfed him. And his notoriously squicky love of ahem younger men would make him a difficult sell at best. He ended, like so many, with a whimper.
capote was alright by reckni	Oct 12th, 2006 11:21:00 AM
seemed a bit overrated to me. hoffman was great though.
I had prettymuch the same take... by Childe Roland	Oct 12th, 2006 11:31:48 AM
...on Capote as you did, Massa. Great performances and beautiful visual arrangements but a boring as fuck-all script. Given that symmetry of experience, I'll take your word on Infamous and give it a good renting when its available.
Capote = Great Film by OGREISHERE	Oct 12th, 2006 11:45:48 AM
But I will see Infamous though.
I did not like their version of Perry Smith in "Capote" by BobParr	Oct 12th, 2006 11:51:05 AM
Perry Smith was a very sensative, wounded soul but he was also a killer. There was no sense of menace. He was only sympathetic. The book makes sure you realize that Perry was dangerous.
massywyrm's avatar by Cory849	Oct 12th, 2006 12:04:33 PM
Whats the dealio? Is Harry just sitting on his hands re: your new avatar, massawyrm? Inquiring Minds want to know!
What was at the heart of Capote was compelling by Lovecraftfan	Oct 12th, 2006 12:06:30 PM
I loved the murky eithics and morals and the center of the film.
oh yeah by Cory849	Oct 12th, 2006 12:08:45 PM
Oh yeah, I agree with the whole "Capote is overrated" thing, by the way. Sorry, Lovecraftfan.
The actor from Infamous looks more like Capote! by Orionsangels	Oct 12th, 2006 12:26:24 PM
Than philip seymour hoffman
Yeah, what is the dealio? by MassaWyrms Avatar	Oct 12th, 2006 12:28:15 PM
Why can't you take just 5 seconds to address the issue of the avatar? You refuse to answer any of the requests for an update, you are being incredibly disrespectful to the guys who entered your crappy contest. You are proving all of the haters in the talkback right (and have subsequently turned me into a hater). Turns out the contest WAS a colossal waste of time. It WAS a waste of AICN bandwidth. And it seems like the site has erased all evidence that there ever was a contest. Sure, some of the entries were pretty lame, but there was a lot of really cool stuff in there, a lot of really talented artists wasted their own valuable time. Why? Because they cared, Man. Because they were your fans. And you just keep blowing those fans off. Please Massa, put this bitch to rest! Just post a note saying "we changed our minds, don't want a new avatar" or "none of the entries made me cream" or even "it's out of my hands, it's in Harry's court, and he is a lazy, procrastinating fuck". You can't still claim to be giving it thought. Oppenheimer didn't give the bomb this much thought. Just post us a reply that says "Let it go". That's cool, we can do that. A little closure, you know. You don't even have to take the time to type it, you can just copy and paste. Two seconds and you're done! P.S. A note to all the artist who entered Massa's bullshit contest. Even though AICN refuses to acknowledge its existence, I downloaded your illustrations, and keep a copy on my computer, because they ARE cool. Your work IS being appreciated by someone. Oh, and I'm on board with Lovecraftfan about Capote (the film), "compelling" is the right word, PSH channeled Capote (the man).
Massa, what IS the deal with the avatar? by brokentusk	Oct 12th, 2006 12:39:00 PM
Been trying to find this out for weeks now. How long can it possibly take to pick one picture?
Well, that's hardly says much by 9000rpm	Oct 12th, 2006 01:15:10 PM
After seeing Capote I was embarassed for my species, embarrassed that we could even remotely call Capote quality entertainment or invest in Capote himself even 15 seconds of attention.
Entertainment factor isnt all that important to me by IndustryKiller!	Oct 12th, 2006 01:30:18 PM
I typically go with what is mroe compelling, what has more going on under teh surface. If a film is insightful then by default for me is entertaining. I know that make me one of the more "effete" among the crowd but its the way it is. Im not saying that Massa is wrong by any means, I havent (but definitely want to) seen Infamous, but it sounds like this could merely be the more likeable easier film. That said I wasnt IN LOVE!!! with Capote but that performance by Hoffman said it all, I felt like i knew him immediately after the train car scene.
I'll be on your team, Lovecraftfan by Vern	Oct 12th, 2006 01:30:24 PM
It's good to hear that Infamous may be good, I am especially interested in seeing Daniel Craig's performance. But reading this review I kept wondering which Capote Massa saw. I basically was going to the movie for what he claims is the only good part, P.S. Hoffman's performance. But I was surprised by how much that movie hit me. It's fuckin creepy and grim. I loved that they portrayed Capote as a total bastard but somehow didn't make me hate him. And that they were able to say what they wanted to say about Capote just by showing a few years of his life and not the whole thing. It sounds like Massa was hoping for an A-Z wikipedia entry on Capote but personally I like that it kept it vague. Maybe the title shouldn't be Capote, but I think telling a story that explains something about the way his mind worked was much more compelling than it would be to just make a biographical summary. As for the pacing, I really disagree with Massawyrm on that one. The pacing is perfect, it's a slow march to the gallows. Not that the movies are comparable otherwise but to me asking for a faster paced Capote is like saying, "I loved Fargo but it was too slow, can you cut out 45 minutes? Then I can recommend it to my parents." Sometimes "slow" is the exact right pace. Anyway, maybe I will see Infamous. Sounds interesting, although to be honest the fake interviews part sounds horrible, I hate that type of shit. Knowing that's in there might keep me away.
Christ I really gotta learn to type by IndustryKiller!	Oct 12th, 2006 01:32:13 PM
or proofread, shame on me.
I loved Capote, And I'll Still See This Film by The Ender	Oct 12th, 2006 02:18:34 PM
I think Capote was fantastic. I have read the book In cold Blood, though it was extremely hard for me to read. I can watch Rambo no problem. But to read about how brutal and horrific this crime was is really heart wrenching, it's a hard thing to put in your mind, how horrible human beings can be.
Hard to believe by PwnedByStallone	Oct 12th, 2006 02:27:48 PM
Now here is a movie that a Communist can get behind. In all seriousness Capote was the best picture I saw last year and my favorite. And for Wyrm here to bash it just because he likes this new one more makes me more than incredulous. Statements like "Capote is the btter-made film but Infamous is the btter film" make no fucking sense in the context he provided. So here's a big middle finger in your face Wyrm. What happened to you man? You used to be beautiful
Capote lover by PwnedByStallone	Oct 12th, 2006 02:32:05 PM
If I hear one more of you moron reviewers say they dislike a movie because it moves slow I'll go crazy. Fucking MTV generation skaky cam fast-cut fuckers. Take a fucking ridilin you feeble-minded impatient babies.
My Avatar by Massawyrm 1	Oct 12th, 2006 02:34:05 PM
I keep bugging Harry, but he has yet to give me an answer. Sorry for the delay for all involved. I'm trying to get an answer. Trust me, I want an avatar more that you guys want me to have one.
to One Voice by Vern	Oct 12th, 2006 03:09:26 PM
The Incredibles, if I remember correctly, was some sort of cartoon. So having documentary style parts was a good gimmick you don't see a whole lot. Also they did it to be funny. This isn't Spinal Tap or some shit, this is a true story. Maybe it works, I haven't seen it, but I'm suspicious. One example that comes to mind is THE MANSON FAMILY by Jim Van Bebber. He did an incredible job of creating a raw '60s look and feel to the movie but instead of depicting the events he tells half the story with interviews of actors playing real people. And I just thought Jesus, if you wanted to just tell it in interviews you should've done real interviews. If you're gonna make a movie then MAKE A GOD DAMN MOVIE! I'm sure Infamous won't be as bad but yes, I'm against it, and whatever The Office is I'll go ahead and agree that I hate it just to get you more up in arms. Thanks One Voice.
"Infamous" is gonna have to work hard by Captain Mal	Oct 12th, 2006 03:23:06 PM
to be better than "Capote." It's true that I'll watch Hoffman in pretty much anything (yes, I even dug "Love Liza"), but the story was so engrossing, I found myself reading up on the events afterwards, just to learn more--not about the killings, but about Capote himself. And I agree with whoever said that sometimes slow is the right pace. that entire flick had this ominous sense of inevitable doom. it was a sad story, and nobody was coming out happy on the other side. it was perfect.
Capote was a great movie by Dannychico	Oct 12th, 2006 03:26:49 PM
Enough said.
Thank you Vern and everybody else by Lovecraftfan	Oct 12th, 2006 03:39:49 PM
What I loved about Capote was how the movie was unafraid to show Capote as a bastard that was master of manipulating everyone. The fascinating part of Capote w as watching how he lead everyone on a string to do exactly what he wanted until the point where he even decieved himself. I mean how did anyone not get chills at his final phone call with Lee where she boldly states that they both know he wanted those kids to die. Also Capote has the great scene where he totally shuts the killer down "This is absurd. Do you even know what absurd means."
I'm with Vern by scratcher	Oct 12th, 2006 04:03:55 PM
Capote was far superior to most biopics - in fact I wouldn't even characterize it as one. It found one chapter in his life that served as a turning point. It communicated the choice a person makes about their life, and doesn't present any answer as the "right" one. Hoorah for ambiguity!
To be perfectly honest... by rbatty024	Oct 12th, 2006 04:13:08 PM
this filim could be the greatest movie ever made and I probably wouldn't see it. I don't have anything against Capote, but I think one film about him will suffice.
Sounds intriguing. by CatVutt	Oct 12th, 2006 04:26:54 PM
I thought Capote was very, very good, but ultimately I think I'm somewhere between Vern and Massa on it...I thought it was very solid, and paced well for the story, but I have to admit it never 'hit' me either. So I'm very interested to see another take.
Capote TOTALLY missed the tenor of In Cold Blood by the_pissboy1	Oct 12th, 2006 04:44:28 PM
You could not see in the performance why Capote would have fallen in love with a cold-blooded killer. Capote was a big fat failure for anyone who read his book.
That avatar delay by Latauro	Oct 12th, 2006 05:08:25 PM
We all know it's because you're afraid of the fallout if mine isn't chosen... even though it's not officially in the competition. That's how awesome it was. And, Mr Wyrm, I was considering seeing Infamous just out of curiosity, and now you've got me chomping at the bit to see it. Can't wait.
Lee versus Lee by blackwood	Oct 12th, 2006 05:16:38 PM
While I think PSH's Capote was excellent, I'm not worried about another interpretation of the man. Such a big personality can accomadate different 'versions.' But I think it'll be nigh impossible to top Catherine Keener's Harper Lee. Nothing against Ms. Bullock, who I think is at least as good as Julia Roberts, but Keener brought such a steely, quiet dignity to the part that she, more than PSH, left an indelible impression, and made me long for a film about Lee alone.
ITS-----IT'S let's get it right for the love of God!!! by Trimtab	Oct 12th, 2006 06:02:53 PM
Stop the insanity! "it's" = "it is". "its" = possessive. You should not write "it's glossy look" but rather "its glossy look"...please, please, please, the future of humanity depends on us getting this right once and for all!!
Avatar by DJSpoonfed	Oct 12th, 2006 06:24:31 PM
I don't give a shit if you have one or not, I just wanna know if I won.
the_pissboy1 by deadlegend	Oct 13th, 2006 06:33:19 PM
the movie wasn't a direct adaption of Capote's book, it was about the events that he went through while WRITING the book. There's no point in making an adaption of a book writen by a man who is more interesting himself. Think about it, if the book is great, and is written by an American icon, then a better story would be how the American icon wrote the great book, which is what Capote is. Infamous might be a decent movie, but it seems to be more of an expose` on how gay Truman Capote was and tries to top Capote by offering "more story", Daniel Craig, Jeff Daniels, and on a much lesser note, Sandra Bullock. It's laughable, since myself and several others actaully laughed out loud at how ridiculous Infamous looked. And when it all boils down to it, two films about the same man and same story is one film too many, and that film is Infamous.

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