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The CW Brings The First New
SMALLVILLE Since May 11!!

This show is dead to me... by aceattorney	Sep 28th, 2006 02:29:46 AM
Enough of the freaking Lana storyline...and enough of the witchcraft junk. Let's learn a few lessons from Singer's SUPERMAN RETURNS, eh?
Here's to hoping... by seanny_d	Sep 28th, 2006 02:30:11 AM
I'm hoping Smallville can maintain a little better level of consistancy this year. I'm sick of seeing a few good episodes and a bunch of horrendous ones.
Yeah.. by I am a machineee	Sep 28th, 2006 03:08:08 AM
..I'm going to pretend that the show ended on Episode 100. I used to love Lana, but after seeing the commercials for this season, I'm not into it. This is supposed to be the last season.. Why the hell is Olsen on this?? With the SAME ACTOR they used in the first season episode "Leech". So stupid. Yes it's the guy that played Iceman in the X-men movies. Shawn Ashmore I think it was. They've seemed to have run this series into the ground.
This show really tanked by My Ass Smells	Sep 28th, 2006 03:13:56 AM
What the hell were the writers thinking? They completely destroyed this show. It has gotten so absured that you can't even called it a Superman show anymore. First off, the whole Lana Lang thing has been going on for 5 fucking seasons. It needs to end asap.
I'll give this show a few more chances... by KnightShift	Sep 28th, 2006 03:19:15 AM
...but that RIDICULOUS state senate election storyline last season REALLY almost completely derailed it for me. I mean c'mon: why the hell would Lex want a Kansas state senate seat bad enough to kill for it?
Man... by ZoddGutsu	Sep 28th, 2006 03:46:12 AM
This show just keeps getting worse and worse. Though the first two season weren't "great" at least they were decent enough to watch. Now it's just not watchable.
Are you guys kiddin' me?! This season is gonna ROCK!! by Mike_D	Sep 28th, 2006 03:57:26 AM
This will be by far the best season of Smallville yet. And if there is gonna be one last season after season six, we're in for one hell of a ride.
Oh and reguarding the actor playing Jimmy Olsen- by Mike_D	Sep 28th, 2006 04:02:37 AM
Its not the guy who played "Iceman" from x-men, its his brother, not the same actor from "Leech".
MELTING OWL & UNSOCIABLE HAMMER!!! by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 04:07:16 AM
THE REAL SUPERMAN RETURNS TONIGHT!!!
Troy Vandegraff Is Jimmy Olsen by Darth Fabulous	Sep 28th, 2006 04:08:47 AM
Aaron Ashmore
My estranged wife let loose some secrets. by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 04:18:39 AM
Yep, we're gettin' seven seasons. After that, Tom, Mike, and Kristen's contracts will be up. However, she did say "maybe they'll go eight", but if they did, she won't return. You can see the TV Guide channel interview here... http://www.yout ube.com/watch?v=fuXVSn66aDA (The url's have been glitchy as of late on AICN, so remember to eliminate the space that will probably show up when ya copy and paste it.)
Also, check out this guys "Metropolis" opening. by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 04:25:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =mYJCoL0FaZk Not bad.
Of course I'm biased, but I gotta agree with Mike_D. by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 04:46:26 AM
There's a strong possibility the show's quality may improve greatly this season. I got a feeling after the lukewarm reception Returns got, they might just get their act together and go balls out on these last two(?) seasons. If there was any current show screaming to have a big screen spinoff, it's this one. But, I don't expect much of an improvement in the ratings. My local CW channel is only available through basic cable, just like the WB was before it, and some areas can't even get the channel at all, unless they have sattelite. (I'm guessing on that though, because I'm not that familiar with whats offered through the dish) There was this guy in the VM tb that said he couldn't even get the network in Hawaii. Which leads me to believe the merger isn't gonna help all that much. The shows will still be hampered with low ratings, because of the status of the availability, or lack there of. So if anyone tries to slam Smallville, Supernatural, Veronica, or the Gilmores for being low rated, just remind them why that is.
I think we went over why Lex ran last year. by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 05:16:03 AM
If I remember correctly, Lex was ten years old in the opening scenes of the pilot which was set in 1989. That would make him 26 years old when he ran for state senate. Given his age, I doubt he would run for, or even be considered for the U.S.Senate. no matter how much cash he had at his disposal. Remember, this is a prequel, Lex is slowly rising to power. Also, the senate race was a plot device for Jonathan Kent. Why would he want a U.S. Senate seat?
Meh by Athanatos	Sep 28th, 2006 05:44:58 AM
I used to enjoy watching Smallville, and last season the first 8 episodes were very good, but it went down the toilet very fast after that. And I agree, this Lana thing went on waaaay too long, but at least she's better looking than shudder Margot Kidder, I wouldn't give up my lunch for that thing, let alone my superpowers.
Will Carrie Fisher and her fake teeth appear this year? by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 06:03:50 AM
I hope not, she's not lookin so good nowadays.
Lets mess with the Supes timeline some more.. by B0BAFETTISH	Sep 28th, 2006 06:05:32 AM
So all of these guys are kicking around Smallville? Even Zod? At this rate the entire DC universe will be hanging out in Clark's Barn.
Season Four's Finale Was Better Than ROTS!!! by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 06:21:32 AM
It aired the same night as Episode III's premiere and I remember enjoying it, waaay more. I wait twenty some odd years to see a Wookie battle and it was like 12 seconds? FUCK YOU LUCAS!!!
Oh yeah, WWE superstar Batista is supposed to be in 6.9 by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 06:59:57 AM
In the episode titled "Static" he's supposed to play an escaped Phantom Zone villian. I woulda liked to see The Undertaker or somebody else, somebody that actually deserves it. But, I guess they gotta use someone thats popular with the kids. And Dave is the CW's Smackdown poster boy.
Season Four's Finale was better than POTC! by Ricky Henderson	Sep 28th, 2006 07:12:05 AM
Oh no wait, no it wasn't. It wasn't even close. Why must you keep clinging to this show Shermadog? It totally defiles the continuity of the comics and turns the Supes mythology into a Dawson's Creek episode. You know 24 owns this candy-ass show. Admit it Sherm.
Wait a sec, you mean they're bringing back @qu@m@n??? by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 07:12:19 AM
Ple@se tell me they rec@sted him. The Fuckt@rd th@t pl@yed him l@st se@son w@s horrible! (Ple@se forgive me if this is @ double post, I got the old "p@ge could not be displ@yed" mess@ge when trying l@st time.)
Ricky Henderson, you're funny. I laugh at you, haha :P by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 07:21:28 AM
"It totally defiles the continuity of the comics" Then what pray tell, did the prequels do to the Star Wars saga? ;)
I have said many times, I expect more from 24... by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 07:26:11 AM
Compared to this. But after last season, I might have to lower my expectations. btw, Herc, when the crap were you gonna relay the news of James Cromwell as Jack Bauer's dad and Eddie Izzard (!!!) as the villian in 24's sixth season?
Oh they did Sherm... by Ricky Henderson	Sep 28th, 2006 07:28:01 AM
Which is why I didn't bother debating the accuracy of your first statement. Yah, I'm a regular comedian. :)
Herc is still rooting for Donald Sutherland to be cast by Ricky Henderson	Sep 28th, 2006 07:32:08 AM
...For Bauer's dad. Looks like it ain't happening. Isn't Eddy Izzard a little to campy for a 24 villan? Even moreso than Marwan, with his ridiculous escapes and perpetual back up plans?
Kristin Kreuk is wicked hot by Da Coach	Sep 28th, 2006 07:38:41 AM
and Smallville rocks. Can't wait.
Adam “Fake Batman” Knight. by tranpkp1	Sep 28th, 2006 07:41:49 AM
WTF Does this mean, no idea what hercs talking about?!?
Shermdawg by Da Coach	Sep 28th, 2006 07:43:55 AM
I imagine the reason Lex ran for State Senate as opposed for the US Senate is bc like you said he's just 26, meaning he's fours years too young if I remember correctly. The minimum age is 30 for the US Senate, 25 for House, and 35 to be president/vp. He could have tried to become a Congressman, but that would have been a stretch for Jonathan's character.
Chloe Sullivan - The keeper of the JackSack by Jack_Bauer	Sep 28th, 2006 07:52:47 AM
http://tinyurl.com/gflw5 Kneel!
"Let's learn a few lessons... by BizarroJerry	Sep 28th, 2006 07:56:52 AM
from Singer's SUPERMAN RETURN." You want Smallville to be depressing and devoid of humor?
Just label this Talkback: "SHERM POST HERE!" by Ricky Henderson	Sep 28th, 2006 08:10:46 AM
Just a thought... I love teasing Sherm over this.
Adam “Fake Batman” Knight? by zer0cool2k2	Sep 28th, 2006 08:29:01 AM
I was wondering about that too. I know the producers had wanted Bruce Wayne to swing through Smallville, but Batman Begins kept it from happening, so the character was morphed into Adam Knight, but is there now an Adam Knight somewhere out there in the printed-page DCU?
They need to hire the writers from JLU by veritasses	Sep 28th, 2006 08:47:45 AM
who will put an end to all those stupid, silly, sissy story lines.
And does Lois date everyone in the League? by veritasses	Sep 28th, 2006 08:48:28 AM
Is she like the fraternity prostitue?
continuity in the comics by beefywhore	Sep 28th, 2006 08:53:09 AM
Maybe its just me, but my biggest issue with the comics was always their lack of continuity..why should the movies and tv series be any different?
its my guilty pleasure by BLWiseass	Sep 28th, 2006 08:56:25 AM
I just wish it wasn't up against the office and earl, well mostly the office. I have to actually set up a VHS tape to record office and earl cuz i only have one DVR and i'm going to be out tonight.
I still love Smallville by Acappellaman	Sep 28th, 2006 09:13:32 AM
Sure, there are a couple episodes now and then that aren't up to snuff, but there's plenty to enjoy. I can only think of two powers Clark still needs to discover - super breath, which is apparently being taken care of in episode 2, and telescoping vision. Technically, I suppose you could count flight, but he flew as Kal El, which makes it count for me. You know in the series finale, though, the ending shot will be Clark in costume flying up towards the camera into the sky with a wicked grin on his face. I can't wait for that moment!
Time to stop comparing SMALLVILLE's continuity to DC's by SpyGuy	Sep 28th, 2006 09:21:16 AM
If it helps the comic geeks any, think of SMALLVILLE as it was published by Marvel and called "Ultimate Superman." Yeah, it would be cool if SMALLVILLE lined up with the comics or even the Donner films, but even the Donner films had their own continuity separate from DC's. (Or did I miss the part where Jor-El had white hair and Lex Luthor had an idiot henchman named Otis?)
Art, Trash, and Smallville by LeFlambeur	Sep 28th, 2006 09:25:12 AM
Pauline Kael said that so seldom are movies great art that in order to enjoy them we have to learn to appreciate great trash. This statement is even truer for television. Which is why I love Smallville. It is great trash. Now alot of TV trash is just trash, (Trading Spouces, Springer, etc) but Smallville is great. The charachters are entertaining, the direction is technically proficient, and the writing is laughable when it isn't juicy. Anyway, thats my excuse for liking this show.
It's got to be better than Season 4 by MrD	Sep 28th, 2006 09:36:35 AM
S4 sucked. The whole Lana thing was awful - Smallville cum Charmed. The loss of Pa Kent really hurts the show though, and the only reason I still watch is for Lex. Rosenbaum is all sorts of fantastic in the role, and with any luck Lana will spurn him and he'll beat her to death with a tire iron. Not that violence against women is funny, just violence against Lana.
This show is so awful now by BitterMan23	Sep 28th, 2006 10:08:52 AM
Not that it was ever amazing, but it was at least entertaining enough. But the last two seasons have been almost entirely awful, with bizarre attempts at copying famous movies (the "Saw" episode was a particular "gem"). plus theyve gone beyond the entire original concept of the show (lex and clark as friends, clark learning his powers...). AND HOW MANY GODDAMN CARS CAN LANA AFFORD?
did he turn into Superman yet? by Trazadone	Sep 28th, 2006 10:17:45 AM
Please let me know then I'll start watching this show.
Hes basically superman now by BitterMan23	Sep 28th, 2006 10:26:10 AM
just doesnt have the costume. but he flies, goes to the fortress, occasionally zips off into outer space...
Lana isn't exactly broke Bitterman. by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 10:32:17 AM
She's got her inheritance, her Aunt Nell, she worked for Lex for years, and now she's bangin' him, so she's pretty well off.
Adam Knight? by Jor-El23	Sep 28th, 2006 10:42:21 AM
I remember the name but I don't remember the episode/context. Also, this show is still one of the better nerd fests on TV, so if you're a nerd, which most of the people who frequent this place are, shut your goddamn mouth and be thankful. I hope they do what the X-Files did and eventually release mythology-only episodes in DVD box sets.
Mack by VoodooV	Sep 28th, 2006 10:49:37 AM
my lust for Allison Mack is the only thing that keeps me watching this show. When its good, its great, but goddamn this show can suck so hard very often.
homage to Donner by VoodooV	Sep 28th, 2006 11:06:42 AM
I actually have no problem with the homage to the Donner era, I thought it was cool...its just that Superman is just such a tired property, which is why Smallville has some redeeming qualities since it TRIES to take a new slant on old shit. of course it fails miserably sometimes..but at least it tries.
Jor-El23 by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 11:14:06 AM
You can get seasons 1-4 for like $20 bucks a pop every now and then. And Adam Knight was Ian Sommer-whats-his-name (Boone from Lost) who was introduced in season three as Lana's physical therapist, and was her second recurring "love interest" (well third if you count the brief fling she had with Clark before the red kryptonite incident). Adam was actually a Zombie. Trivia... La na has had 5 recurring love interests/boyfriends and each has died.
Super ass by Smashing	Sep 28th, 2006 11:22:02 AM
I cant believe I live in a world where people bemoan Superman Returns and praise this smelly, cheaply made tat.
Smallville by Bubba Gillman	Sep 28th, 2006 11:24:11 AM
Every season has had its high points and low points, but in my view the high points are sometimes pretty high. I'll be there tonight. I just wish from this point onward (how many more seasons can there be) that they would just focus on the Superman mythology (and do away with the extraneous stuff like the Lana Witch thing). Oh, and SR is a great film. I'm like the Tom Joad of SR. Wherever there's a guy beating up on SR, I'll be there.
Herc, is it ok if we talk Supernatural in here? by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 11:38:29 AM
Or will you delete everyones post? ;)
new powers yet to be discovered... by beefywhore	Sep 28th, 2006 12:20:32 PM
He still needs to figure out how to throw that big cellophane "S" off his chest like in Superman 2... that'd be rad.
I don't get it by cromulent	Sep 28th, 2006 12:20:56 PM
If Clark is meeting all these people like Lois, Jimmy, Perry before he dons the glasses and acts like a buffoon to hide his secret identity, when Superman finally shows up wouldn't they stroke their chins and say, "Hmmm this new Superman fellow looks a lot like Clark..."???
Thats easy cromulent by beefywhore	Sep 28th, 2006 12:26:37 PM
All he ahs to do is find everyone he's ever come into contact with ever, and give them a "Magic Forgetting Kiss" like he did Lois at the end of Supes 2... Oh and theres another powere he's yet to discover....I should write for this show.
I don't like this new JLA plotline by zooch	Sep 28th, 2006 12:38:13 PM
This show has always been moments of greatness along with alot of filler. Last season had it's moments, James Marsters' Brainiac was a great addition and the Fortress of Solitude episodes were quite good. However, adding all these new heroes in the new season has and always will distract from what the show should be always about. How about more stories involving Clark Kent turning into Superman, and more Michael Rosenbaum as Lex Luthor, that's all we want to see!
Where's the Supernatural TB? by JohnnyS2	Sep 28th, 2006 12:58:11 PM
I'm more pumped for that than this show.
SMALLVILLE by ObiWanCon	Sep 28th, 2006 01:02:41 PM
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I wonder... by Engelhast	Sep 28th, 2006 01:25:31 PM
how long it will take for someone to end up in the Smallville hospital. Freakin' show is so damn repetitive but somehow keeps getting me to tune in. I guess I am just one of those "dummies." Why is it that nobody knocks before entering a room on this show, people rarely say goodbye and just walk away from conversations, and rather than using a phone to get the most brief of message to someone drive to hell and back just to drop their bomb for a moment and then take off. Smallville might not be much of a Superman show but it can sure be turned into one hell of a drinking game.
I wonder... by Engelhast	Sep 28th, 2006 01:26:42 PM
how long it will take for someone to end up in the Smallville hospital. Freakin' show is so damn repetitive but somehow keeps getting me to tune in. I guess I am just one of those "dummies." Why is it that nobody knocks before entering a room on this show, people rarely say goodbye and just walk away from conversations, and rather than using a phone to get the most brief of message to someone drive to hell and back just to drop their bomb for a moment and then take off.
Smallville Medical Center by XAOS	Sep 28th, 2006 01:43:23 PM
Global leader in head trauma care. How many fricking people get brought in there after getting knocked out so that they couldn't see Clark being super? Don't mind me, I'm still just bitter that it wasn't Darkseid who stepped out of the spaceship in the Season 5 opener, who would have then become the principal at Smallville High, leading to Clark getting into tussles with the Hall Anti-Monitor.
stopped watching this show when... by leesheri	Sep 28th, 2006 01:58:45 PM
Lana Lang became the main character, and Superman became a secondary character. I caught a few here and there, because I was forced to, signifigant other... but on the whole it went to absolute crap when it became the Lana Lang show. I am with Johnny where is the Supernatural tb? I saw season 1 and it was actually interesting...
Still watch the show...... by giger167	Sep 28th, 2006 02:06:56 PM
Tom Welling makes me feel a bit gay is that wrong of me ? When I watch him I have to drink beer and punch people to reassert my masculinity. Now my head hurts thinking about it and I have to go and lay down for a while :(
Singer's Supes is dead, long live Smallville in spite! by lynxpro	Sep 28th, 2006 02:25:58 PM
That sums up my sentiments.
Adam Knight as "Fake Batman"... by keyserSOZE	Sep 28th, 2006 02:36:44 PM
Adam Knight was, as it was mentioned above, a love interest for Lana...and he even rented out the apartment on the second floor of the Talon for a bit. the reason he's "fake Batman" is because when he first showed up, there was a bit of mystery around him, because no one knew who he was (as in, fans)...so, speculation based in large part on his name -- Adam (west)(dark) Knight -- plus the fact that he apparently didnt have any family when he first showed up, led some folks to believe he might be a Bruce Wayne type character.
I heard Spiderman wuz gonna visit Smallville... by Billyeveryteen	Sep 28th, 2006 02:46:47 PM
And he sleeps with Lois... and shoots his web jizz.. and then Clark fights him... and then Venom showes up... and yes, I am a sad little man.
Lana has ruined this show over the years by performingmonkey	Sep 28th, 2006 02:52:52 PM
Chloe is like a billion times better a character. They should have killed Lana around the end of season 3 or something.
Supernatural ripped us all off by YouIgnorantGeeks	Sep 28th, 2006 03:00:21 PM
Started off good... got boring... then got GREAT... until the ending of the season finale. For like a month the promos were saying they were going to have a final face off with the thing that killed the mom and girlfriend. Every damn promo promised this. And yet... was it final? NOPE. I never felt so gipped by a season ending. It pissed me off. And I'm not looking forward as much to this year because of that... ooh another year of fighting for the same guy? The guy we promised was going ot have his end at the end of season 1? WHATEVER. Plus we need a hot girl regular. The demon girl was pretty hot, but not hot enough, and not on all the time. On the smallville note. I used to think Lana was SOOOOOOOOOOO hot. Now shes third. Chloe is the hottest followed closely by Lois who has the best body and is actually getting a younger looking face (the mouth wrinkles that made her kinda a butter body seem to be fading)
oh and... by YouIgnorantGeeks	Sep 28th, 2006 03:05:45 PM
I only saw the first 45 minutes or so of Superman Returns. My girl at the time wasn't feeling well and we had to leave. But my God... those first 45 minutes were incredibly boring. I mean REALLY boring. Normally I would hate to leave a movie midstream, and I would only do so if absolutely necessary, and then get annoyed that I didn't know how the movie ended.... But I swear when she said she wanted to leave I almost jumped at the excuse to get out of there. I was told by a friend that Superman Returns was great, and when I told him I left early, he asked when. I told him right when superman rescued the airplane by setting it down in the stadium... and he said that actually up to that point it was pretty boring, but from that point on that it got really really good... but i dunno, i guess i have to give it another try when its on cable.
Borrowed some season sets.. by glodene	Sep 28th, 2006 03:10:58 PM
from a friend during the summer, viewed them in 3 to 4 eps. at a time and came to the conclusion that this show SUCKS! I'm Shermdawg, but for the life of me, i just don't get your undying fanboy obsession with this Dawson Creek/Charmed hybrid...But hey! More power to you, it's all subjective.
Can wait for this one by mikkoscassadine	Sep 28th, 2006 03:12:06 PM
I heard that in november they will air a special smallville/gilmore girls crossover espisode when when lex finds pink kryptonite in stars hollow and clark teams up with lorelai and rory to stop him from using it.
SMALLVILLE KICKS ASS by YouIgnorantGeeks	Sep 28th, 2006 03:27:09 PM
All you haters are just teenybopper acne faced nerd boys who can't get laid. I mean really.. How is it like Gilmore Girls?
Give me Princess Di ! by CaptainBitchway	Sep 28th, 2006 03:31:29 PM
No, not the Princess of Wales, I mean Diana of Themiscyra, aka Wonder Woman. It would be completely illogical for her to show up in Smallville, but what in this show is ever logical. It'll be great fun and besides, how can you have a Justice League with Wonder Woman, or Batman for that matter???
I wanna see plastic man by YouIgnorantGeeks	Sep 28th, 2006 03:33:22 PM
Infinite power! According to Frank Miller anyway.
performingmonkey by VoodooV	Sep 28th, 2006 03:49:25 PM
you are so right...I was so pissed that they brought Lana back to life with the cosmic reset button and killed off Pa Kent instead....RRRRRR!! Lana is the worst character on that show! even worse than Krypto!
XAOS by slder78	Sep 28th, 2006 03:51:51 PM
"Hall-anti-monitor" fucking hilarious man. 2 points to xaos.
krypto isn't on the show by YouIgnorantGeeks	Sep 28th, 2006 03:52:25 PM
Remember, he wound up not calling the dog that afterall. Im still wondering how the hell there going to go about saving the day tonight. Clark in Phantom Zone... lex evil... lana basically lex's bitch.... lionel and chloe getting beaten and raped or whatevers going on there... pa kent dead, ma kent and lois in that plane heading lord knows where, or crashing or whatever. No one is left to save clark lol. I know whats going to happen.... ITS THE RETURN OF PETE ROSS TO SAVE THE DAY!
man, sounds like another one ep finale wrap up... by iamnicksaicnsn	Sep 28th, 2006 04:41:40 PM
as cool as last season's premiere was, it was depressingly short. They could've extended it and gone deeper into what happened. And I feel like there's no way to tie up all the loose ends tonight, but it'll probably still be fun...
I read that WWE's Batista was to guest star playing... by Negative Man	Sep 28th, 2006 05:15:44 PM
...a villain from the Phantom Zone? Any word who the big lug will be playing? Or is the PZ just becoming the new Kryptonite Rock that produces the monster of the week?
Wow is smallville even on anymore? by acathla	Sep 28th, 2006 05:36:44 PM
I thought this lame ass show got cancelled long ago. I tried to watch this crapfest show but after i saw a duke bro. was superman's dad i just couldnt hang. Oh and the fact that Lex and Superman were high school buddies...Dear Lord!!!! Now Lex is Zod...???
I likah the show by WolfmanNards	Sep 28th, 2006 05:41:09 PM
Smallville's so good that I put up with its stupid shit. There is so much stupid shit, (kryptonite turning people into villians!??!) but every time I start to think I hate the show, they pull off something amazing, (usually with Lionel Luthor's character). It's a great mix of shit, and not-shit.
Peter O'Toole will help Clark escape the Phantom Zone! by pokadoo	Sep 28th, 2006 05:44:01 PM
Just like when he helped Supergirl escape from The Phantom Zone, in the film 'Supergirl'. Or maybe not.
Love Smallville except... by alienindisguise	Sep 28th, 2006 05:45:36 PM
for the endless love angles with Clark and Lana, Clark and Chloe...etc. Even with the repetition, I'll still take the show and Tom Welling anyday over Brandon "cardboard" Routh and the turd that was Superman Returns.
The appeal of Days-of-Our-Lives-with-Superman aludes me by The Wrong Guy	Sep 28th, 2006 05:52:35 PM
This is terrible, cheesy, cliched, melodrama. Someone explain what's actually good about the show, because the writing, acting and dialogue is just dreadful.
Zod in Smallville by DiernaSoul	Sep 28th, 2006 07:11:36 PM
Those complaining that Zod meeting Clark before he was Superman...well Golden Age Zod WAS in Smallville and faught Superboy. :P
I know it's Shawn Ashmores Brother... by Drworm2002	Sep 28th, 2006 07:23:35 PM
But they are fucking twins...that is "We Todd Did"
CW?!?! I thought this was about the Civil War! by DOGSOUP	Sep 28th, 2006 07:32:30 PM
Civil War sucks ass. NEXTWAVE!
The girl he met in the Phantom Zone is cute by CTU Mole	Sep 28th, 2006 07:40:29 PM
Jimmy Olsen needs to go.
If only the hadn't cast Welling! by Bob Cryptonight	Sep 28th, 2006 09:09:48 PM
That goddamn rouge they put on his lips to appeal to the squealing girls in the audience...if only they had cast an actor with a range who could actually SHOW what it would be like to find out you were not from this planet (and deal with all the horrible things his presence on Earth has caused). Welling just gives his old FELICITY blank-faced stare. Pitiful. It could have been a great show...
He called him CK!!! by jarodvhale	Sep 28th, 2006 09:11:17 PM
k..that ruled...lotta cool stuff...like did you see how the spirit of Zod looked like the guy from the movie with the beard and all that when he left Lex's body....... good start...
Kneel Before Zod! by AngelCordy	Sep 28th, 2006 09:13:23 PM
Best line. I kind of squealed. Great season premiere tonight, as was Supernatural. JOHHHHHHNNNN!!!!!!!
Pic of Raya aka Phantom zone girl... by Lawrence of NY	Sep 28th, 2006 09:22:24 PM
...Her name is Pascale Hutton...and yes she is cute! http://tinyurl.com/fgakz Great season opener...but Lex gets kidnapped or has his brain sucked for the hundreth time next week! ugh.
Worst show on TV!!! by Orionsangels	Sep 28th, 2006 09:26:30 PM
They've turned Superman into a pretty white person show. It's superman meets O.C. and Laguna Beach and you fools eat it up! Makes me sick!!!
"They grow 'em big in Kansas!" by CTU Mole	Sep 28th, 2006 09:32:06 PM
What dude says that to another dude unless they're on the other end of a glory hole?
Remember there was a memory wipe krytonite freak. by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 09:32:10 PM
He's still alive, so he may come back at some point to tie up loose ends for Clark. I gotta play catch up here...
acathla by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 09:33:57 PM
John "Bo Duke" Scheider was the definitive Jonathan Kent, don't write him off because of Hazzard. Lex and Clark technically aren't high school buddies, because they didn't go to school together. And Lex was just possessed by Zod. The reason as to why he was a spirit was revealed in tonights episode.
And those who are wondering about Batista... by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 09:36:03 PM
He will most likely be a bouncer, or someone that is possessed by one of the four(?) Phantom Zone spirits that escaped with Clark. We saw one at the end of the episode.
The Wrong Guy by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 09:36:52 PM
Hey, I like Days! Well, I used to, it's gotten extra shitty as of late, but still there are some good spots here and there. btw, they recasted Shawn Brady on todays show! :O
As far as the seson opener of Smallville goes... by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 09:45:13 PM
It was AWESOME!!! Waaay better than what Singer attempted with Returns. I mean, how could anyone deny the opening moments in the Phantom Zone, or the Lex/Zod vs. Clark tussle? How much you reckon that that episodes cost? Because the effects were pretty damn nifty, especially for a little viewed network as the CW. With some of the stuff this show, and Enterprise pulled off, a X-men show isn't impossible to attempt. Of course Fox would never attempt that, because they be all sorts of retarded. Remember I said this season would go balls out? Well, as tonight proved, it did. Give Singer one more film to finish up the kid scenario, and give the franchise to... MELTING OWL & UNSOCIABLE HAMMER!!!
As far as the seson opener of Supernatural goes... by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 09:52:32 PM
I thought it was a bit of a snoozer, compared to last years finale. The writing was actually weaker than Smallville's tonight, but it did give us one of the best lines in recent memory... After Dean knocked a glass of water off a tray as ghost he said: "Dude,I full on Swayze'd that mother!" I lol'd. You knew Jeffrey Dean Morgan was leaving the show, which is a shame because he's so fucking good, actually waaay too good for this (theres a good chance he may be a big star one day). I just wish he got a better send off. R.I.P. JOHN WINCHESTER
Well crap, I copy and pasted the last title. by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 10:06:41 PM
S-E-A-S-O-N
Sherm by BLWiseass	Sep 28th, 2006 10:29:23 PM
I believe the explanation about why Zod was a spirit was because something the phantom zone chick said about the worst criminals becoming phantoms in the zone, or something. I can't recall how he got brought to earth as i missed the recap before the ep started. Not a bad season opener, the usual cheesy dialog mixed with awesome moments. What the fuck is Lionel up to now?
I found the number of movie by underscore_only	Sep 28th, 2006 10:54:43 PM
I found the number of movie rip-off epsiodes hilarious in the last season, which was at best uneven. "Saw", "Flatliners", "Panic Room". But, I loves me my brilliant Rosenbaum and Glover, fineass acting.
bacci40 by Shermdawg	Sep 28th, 2006 11:15:21 PM
Yes, Durance is a "butterface". In a perfect world, Samllville would get a bigscreen franchise and Durance would be replaced with Anne Hathaway.
kneel before brando by Anakin Whoopass	Sep 28th, 2006 11:40:17 PM
I'll take a second Donnerverse over Smallville: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S uperman_II:_The_Richard_Donner _Cut I'm sure it's going to look and sound hopelessly incomplete but I'm gonna have me some fun seeing this.
glen ford is the definative Pa Kent by slder78	Sep 29th, 2006 12:25:25 AM
In this Superman universe Clark has been moping around for six going on seven years now. Given where he has to end up as Superman I don't think that I'm gonna buy him just flipping the switch and becoming the sure-minded confident superhero that Superman man is. Even up to this episode he still whines about not knowing what to do or not having anyone. The entire cast of characters and Jor-El (who I still can't believe is being portrayed as still maybe untrustworthy by Clark and Martha)have been saying to Clark, "Dude, you're the shit, now kick ass.)He's a freakin' adult now, in college (presumably) and mentally he's still a prepubescent teen.
what should have happened in the premiere: by mclocks	Sep 29th, 2006 12:40:34 AM
1. Girl should have been Kara Zor-El and not died, but maybe stay trapped 2. Flash should have showed up at Kent Farm looking for Clark, grabbed knife, went after Zod and get smacked around 3. Ollie should have used shards from knife to make Anti-Zod Arrows 4. It should have been atleast a 2 part episode. 5. Fight between Clark and Zod should have been longer 6. The word Lionel decoded should have been Darkseid. 7. The Phantom Zone should have contained Kandor 8. After all this hype of Ollie, he should have been in this episode But anyway, did it seem to anyone else like the writers realized that they kinda wrote themselves into a corner and decided to just drop Zod as fast as possible?
slder78: 6 years moping vs. 12 years by Anakin Whoopass	Sep 29th, 2006 12:50:04 AM
locked in the Fortress listening to Brando's books on tape. What's a 20-something Kryptonian to do?
fun premiere by oisin5199	Sep 29th, 2006 12:54:34 AM
At that scene, I was like, "say it! SAY IT!!" - "kneel before Zod." Yes!!! that was freakin' hilarious. I wanted to see him wear the S necklace and put on that red cape-like thing in the Zone. I just hope they didn't blow their entire season budget on the premiere effects.
anakin by slder78	Sep 29th, 2006 12:59:34 AM
lol. but i must correct you. it's books on crystal.
So when do we get to see by Spicypeanut	Sep 29th, 2006 01:01:26 AM
THE GODDAMNED BATMAN!
Schneider is the definitive Pa Kent. by Shermdawg	Sep 29th, 2006 01:51:04 AM
Just like Allison Mack is the definitive Lois Lane. :P
"...Brando's books on tape" by Shermdawg	Sep 29th, 2006 01:54:35 AM
That was good, Anakin.
Spicypeanut, you'll NEVER see... by Shermdawg	Sep 29th, 2006 01:56:05 AM
THE GODDAMNED BATMAN!
Episode should have been longer... by radjac33	Sep 29th, 2006 03:01:57 AM
"Anti-Zod Arrows" thats Frakkin funny mclocks
Will this show ever end? by mrfan	Sep 29th, 2006 04:42:50 AM
Just curious. Everytime I watch it I feel as if I am experiencing the movie Groundhog Day. Same shit happens all the time every week.
As a closet Smallville fan, I enjoyed it by Ricky Henderson	Sep 29th, 2006 07:13:23 AM
The "kneel before Zod" thing was fun, as was the hand grab that followed. I do like how the series echos the movies. Great fx in the season premiere too. The problem is that these "main storyline" episodes are good, but once they go back to their usual "freak of the week," it all goes downhill. X-Files had the same problem too. When do we get to see bizzaro Supes? Sometime soon, right?
The Season 6 premiere was great by SpyGuy	Sep 29th, 2006 08:29:51 AM
"Kneel before Zod" and "C.K." references...a superbrawl in the woods...Ma Kent confronting Jor-El in the Fortress...The spirit of Zod exiting Lex's body that resembled young Terrance Stamp...The Phantom Zone critter cliffhanger...Much better than another Kryptonite-flavored Gatorade episode.
"Kneel before Zod." by Billyeveryteen	Sep 29th, 2006 09:40:09 AM
I think I pee'd a little. Bo Duke IS Pa Kent. Ya, Ford was great, for TWO scenes. Schneider put the time and heart in it, and is missed.
I enjoyed this episode alot by mikkoscassadine	Sep 29th, 2006 09:52:09 AM
However zod's plan was doomed for failure because smallville is on The cw and everyone knows that The cw is part of king booker's smackdown kingdom. ALL HAIL KING BOOKER!!!
ugh....high hopes..but underwhelming again by VoodooV	Sep 29th, 2006 09:58:46 AM
I'm sorry, but if I want to see a direct ripoff of the movies...I'll watch the goddamned movies. the kneel before zod scene was neat..but ultimately lame because smallville is supposed to be different, so they need to stop making circle jerk homages to the movies. enough already!
RE: VoodooV by jojo-pimp	Sep 29th, 2006 10:26:46 AM
IF you are upset that Smallville makes too many homages to the movies, perhaps you should stay FAAAAR away from Superman Returns. I mean, they repeated so many lines and threw in so much shit from the originals that it felt like a cheap imitation.
I stopped watching Smallville after season three by Snookeroo	Sep 29th, 2006 10:46:14 AM
pretty much, anyways. Though I gotta say, Erica Durance is the best Lois. Ever. Why they didn't use her in "Superman Lifts" is beyond me.
Expected to be disappointed by cromulent	Sep 29th, 2006 10:48:38 AM
but I was pleasantly suprised! Lana so deserved getting her hand impaled after that whole witches of smallville storyline. I will watch again, but next week looks kinda lame :\
Ricky Henderson, good lord dude. by Shermdawg	Sep 29th, 2006 10:56:51 AM
"once they go back to their usual "freak of the week," it all goes downhill. X-Files had the same problem too." I'm willing to bet a large percentage of X-files fans, myself included, disagrees with that statement. X-files strongest episodes were the "freak" ones. The Toombs episodes, Flukeman, Humbug, Small Potatoes, The one with Bruce Campbell that was set in my hometown, The COPS episode, The Superbowl episode with Dr.Romano from e.r., Jose Chung, Ice, the one with Peter Boyle...do I need to keep going?
smallville makes superman interesting... by teddanson37	Sep 29th, 2006 11:00:41 AM
and that's a heckuva thing to say considering bryan singer and $200 mil couldn't do that.
And VoodooV... by Shermdawg	Sep 29th, 2006 11:04:09 AM
I can't believe you thought last nights show (which could very well be the best episode ever) as "underwhelming", all because of the two minute encounter between Clark and "Zod". Did they pay homage to Superman 2? Yes. Did it hurt the episode? Hell no. You should be glad no plastic wrap S-shield's were tossed. :P
adam knight??? by teddanson37	Sep 29th, 2006 11:04:39 AM
ok i understand adam was supposed to eventually reveal himself to be bruce wayne, but i still don't get why smallville can't have bruce wayne on an episode. i would get it if lets say fox had the rights to batman, but WB has the rights and WB made the show. could someone explain?
Oh, and Ricky, I forgot "Home". by Shermdawg	Sep 29th, 2006 11:06:43 AM
How could I forget the Peacocks? To this day, I'm still shocked they got away with that episode back then.
teddanson37 by Shermdawg	Sep 29th, 2006 11:22:19 AM
Warner Bros. doesn't want Batman or Wonder Woman to appear, and insists on the "no flights, no tights" rule, for fear that it might somehow hurt their respected film ventures. Martian Manhunter seems to have been pulled as well. Either he's being saved for season seven, or he's got a film in the works, because he was pretty much promised for this year, and so far it looks like it ain't happenin'.
are u kidding by sokitome	Sep 29th, 2006 12:10:52 PM
Are you fucking kidding people are actually still trying to fucking defend this show. It's story hasn't really progressed in 5 FUCKING SEASONS. Again at the end of the seasom premiere back to status quo. JEEEZUS H CHRIST! I used to have so much hope for this show but it is becoming painful to watch.
Pfffff by Toby___Wong	Sep 29th, 2006 12:20:02 PM
So when is this shit gonna get cancelled ? It's about time. Green Arrow ? WTF ? Talk about overstretching continuity. Well, if Green Arrow can appear Lobo should appear, as well as Vril Dox and Guy Gardner. Then it would be worth checking out.
Sherm--fair enough by Ricky Henderson	Sep 29th, 2006 12:40:50 PM
I was stretching a bit to make a point. The "Chaco Chicken" episode is still the all-time best xfiles ep ever. I loved that one. That having been said, my point about Smallville's "freak of the week" letdowns still stands. I understand that not very week can be epic and huge, but still... can the writers not base entire episodes around Lex drinking scotch in his living room with a fire in the background?
"this shit" isn't gonna get cancelled. by Shermdawg	Sep 29th, 2006 12:44:19 PM
Like I've pointed out before, they are guaranteed two more seasons. And as one of The CW's flagship shows, it would be foolish to do so. And once again, there is no continuity because this isn't the comics, nor is it the movies. Also, sokitome, the story has progressed greatly over the last year. And given the storyline restrictions put in place by Warner Bros. it has done a lot with what it was given to work with. Even if, there were no restrictions, you guys would find something to complain about. Smallville, updated the property. Samllville, as teddanson37 said, made Superman "interesting". He's portrayed as a regular guy coming to terms with his powers and the effects of them on the people he cares about. To some extent he's easier to connect with than the flicks "God on Earth" potrayal. He's three dimensional. He's human. Which he should have always been.
Erica Durance by dancinggopher01	Sep 29th, 2006 12:51:36 PM
Is even hot when she is laying in a hospital bed. As long as she is on the show, I will watch. Oh, and Allison Mack's jugs.
Great Show!!! by knossis	Sep 29th, 2006 12:55:27 PM
I caught the premiere last night and was lucky to do that. I missed all of last season cause I would always lay down to take a nap and wake up at 9:00pm pissed that I slept through. Yeah! I need Tivo or something, sadly that's not in the budget. Anyways...the episode was spot on. Loved the battle between Lex/Zod and Clark. The SF was better than anything in Superman Returns.Great Depiction of the Phantom Zone. I can see someone being pissed after serving time in that desolate hell hole. If Warner Bros was smart, they'd act of if Superman Returns never happed and in a few years reboot with the cast Smallville. They would have 6 or 7 years of TV continuity and Character growth to play with.You'd have the best Lex Luthor ever, not an over the top villan, but a complex man whose good intentions go horribly wrong. You'd have a Superman who who identified more with his farm boy upbringing than his Super heritage.In an earlier post someone asked, how would Clark assume his nerdy Clark persona in Metropolis if everyone has met him in Smallville. They don't have to play him nerdy. They could just play him as a guy whose eyes have weakened to the point that he needs glasses.When he was originally written in the 30's, he was a mild mannered reporter, not a buffoon or nerdy. George Reeves played him straight and they play him straight in the comics. He's a man as Clark Kent, just not a SUPERMAN.I never liked Christopher Reeves take on Clark, too wimpy.It would be a good movie if Warner Bros had the balls to do it. Oh! for all those haters who complain about the shows realism. Remember it's based on a comic book which is full of unrealistic repeat moments. Superman is meant to be over the top, extraordinary, unbelievable. We're dealing with a being from a mysterious world we know nothing about, so things will occur that seem unlogical to your average human. Check out any Superman comic. Superman's presence in Metropolis makes that City one crazy place with alien, super criminals, and gods dropping in at any given moment. So Smallville going to have some wierd stuff going down every ofter week.Great beginning!
I think... by Datascream	Sep 29th, 2006 01:05:15 PM
that they are taking some creative freedom and writing their own mithology of the Superman story. Which to me, is fine. I'd rather watch a show where the writers aren't too confined to have to make an exact copy of the comic book stories, and just make something that tells it's self and takes a different direction.
"George Reeves played him straight" by Shermdawg	Sep 29th, 2006 01:07:35 PM
And how did Routh play him? :P
so why.... by oisin5199	Sep 29th, 2006 01:53:18 PM
was the Brainiac copy taking Martha and Lois to the Fortress of Solitude? I get that the plane crashed when 'all copies were destroyed' and he was flying the plane. And when did Jor-El's spirit get the power of transportation?
another thing that was disappointing by VoodooV	Sep 29th, 2006 02:07:56 PM
was that they stopped using the 'alien script' version of the superman logo that they used in Smallville for so long and used the more familiar S-shield on that chick's Crystal
oh and once again by VoodooV	Sep 29th, 2006 02:11:00 PM
they pussy out of a relationship between clark and chloe....AGAIN...I fucking hate those annoying scenes where clark is simpering wuss and backs out in such a spineless way. anyone else would have gotten over Lana and moved on by now to someone who appreciates him as Chloe obviously does...its just so retarded
Smallville bitchslapped SR! by Dragulf	Sep 29th, 2006 03:01:38 PM
And it didn't cost '270Million' to do it. 15 times more action too. How can anyone say this show sucks? "So, you can bleed." - Zod. Shame Zod didn't snap Lana's neck. Mack, Glover and Rosenbaum are the best some of the best actors on TV.
loved it.... by lynxpro	Sep 29th, 2006 03:27:19 PM
I just wish now that the Superman film franchise is dead that the series would bring back Jonathan Kent's character somehow. Since his death was ordered by Warner Bros. Pictures to help their flop Superman Lifts, its time for him to return.
um, dude, SR movie franchise is hardly dead by oisin5199	Sep 29th, 2006 03:58:49 PM
it's STILL making a crapload of money on Imax and Singer's talking about a sequel with more action. So don't worry haters, there will be more to hate soon enough.
Deluded Soul oisin by Kal El Vis	Sep 29th, 2006 04:28:57 PM
I see. $30 million dollars in 3 MONTHS is a "crapload" of money? Take your pathetic "Defense" of this turd burger to Bluetights.net, where they enjoy your kind. Morons like this guy CLING to the "hope" that BS gets another shot at "pussying" up Superman. So BS is "talking" about a sequel? Then it's all signed & delivered isn't it? Directors NEVER talk about films that don't end up getting made right?
good show, chap by WolfmanNards	Sep 29th, 2006 04:42:52 PM
the premiere was pretty fuckin' good. I screamed twice.
BOW BEFORE ZOD! by Dazzler69	Sep 29th, 2006 08:05:01 PM
I can't believe they went there! It was a cheap gimmic but it worked for me. This opener was great! Not as great as the Pa Kent/Clark battle, but still pretty cool! I am looking forward to the season again. It's no big deal that they are ignoring the comics and the movies, the basic idea works really well here. They really should have put this on the big screen instead of Superman Resperms.
lois on smallville is the most inept, slutty, vapid by slder78	Sep 29th, 2006 08:30:14 PM
incarnation of Lois ever (Yes, i remember Hatcher). She hooks up with Aquaman AND Green Arrow? So she's gonna go through the entire Justice League eh? Well, if she gets into a sapphic encouter with Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl, then I'm in, but if she end up in a three-way with the Wonder Twins...uh, pass. Unless the space monkey is there, that could be interesting.
Shermdawg, my son did the "Metropolis" credits by careyleefisher	Sep 30th, 2006 12:40:05 AM
Here is the correct urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=8T167HFi2yU He does some amazing work and is planning on film editing as a career. By the way, I thought the season opener was fantastic. Much more interesting and more fun than "Superman Returns" "Superman Returns" was a multi million dollar disappointment while "Smallville", despite it's faults, continues to entertain me on a fairly consistent level.
Tap dance before Zod! by DforDandetta	Sep 30th, 2006 01:53:19 AM
I going to go ahead and say that I am a huge fan of this show even if at times it is the "poor man's Buffy". My biggest complaint with the show is that the writers will set up a storyline and either not follow through or abandon it. Season 4 was really bad about this. There was Lex's mysterious glowing room that was never explained and his every 12 hour blood tranfusion that was never mentioned again after the season opener. Jason Teague is in cahoots with Dr. Quin or wasn't he? And what was the deal with Jor-El? It starts with him telling Clark he is to conquer Earth(Very Zodish) and then becomes more akin to the Donner version. I liked the tone and pace of season five, I hope the next two seasons follow this style, although going a bit darker is always entertaining.(Buffy season six. Greatest. Television. Ever.) I used to hate this show when it first aired because it was so different from the conventional notion of Superman but like a previous poster said when you think of it like Marvel's Ultimates series it makes for good TV. Its starting to feel more like Superman and less like the Creek, thats a nice feeling. "I'll be gone before you can even blink." "I don't know, I can blink pretty fast."
I think we're missing the big picture here.. by MaulRat	Sep 30th, 2006 04:04:40 AM
Lois shows her boobies in House of the Dead........ Which (Face it Uwe..) is the only reason to watch that movie.. and is fast becoming the only reason to watch this show.
Oh.. by MaulRat	Sep 30th, 2006 04:05:25 AM
And bring on ZOD already WB!!.. FOR FUCKS SAKE..
So... Jimmy is older than Clark? by mraig	Sep 30th, 2006 02:08:38 PM
They must have blown their season's entire 'cut up face' makeup budget on this one episode.
careyleefisher, that's cool. by Shermdawg	Sep 30th, 2006 02:23:01 PM
I like his 2.0 version better though (the one I linked), because he removed Lana, and ditched the Reeve scenes for a few action shots in Returns. Which is ok because, he used shots where you can't tell it's Routh (even though you know it's him). 2.0 meshes better. Once again, he did a great job with it! (Even though, I miss John Glover in the credits, but he most likely would be killed off by then.)
Good Season Opener by Barron34	Sep 30th, 2006 03:20:46 PM
The fight between Lex/Zod and Clark was great, a better action sequence than anything in SUPERMAN RETURNS. The Phantom Zone was cool, a desolate wasteland. As others have noted, SMALLVILLE has its ups and downs, but is definitely worth watching for the "ups". Hopefully the show-runners will re-double their efforts this season and make the show as strong as possible throughout the entire year, minimizing the filler. Clark needs to become less angst-ridden and become more mature and heroic, and even begin to enjoy his powers. The writers need to begin to finalize his transfomation from insecure farm kid to strong and secure superhero. Anyway, good show from the SMALLVILLE team.
Metropolis by Barron34	Sep 30th, 2006 03:26:54 PM
I had the same idea many years ago on the SMALLVILLE talkback boards on the original WB site. I would rather see a METROPOLIS tv series than another SUPERMAN RETURNS. I am not a Bryan Singer hater, but I am in the camp that feels that SR missed the target. It was just dull and leaden, and strangely had no joy in it whatsoever. SMALLVILLE, for all its purported drawbacks, still manages to be entertaining and lively after many years on television. Anyway, a METROPOLIS tv series spun-off from SMALLVILLE would be entertaining as well, I think.
Clark's Burden by Barron34	Sep 30th, 2006 03:41:33 PM
Another note on how they need to develop the Clark Kent character: The thing that seems to be missing on SMALLVILLE is that Clark views his powers as a curse or burden, whereas the comic-book Superman views his powers as a privilage and a sacred responsibility. Superman gets great happiness out of using his abilities to help mankind, and sees his purpose in life as being the protector of his adopted home Earth and of mankind. One of the superheroic things about Superman is not just his powers, but his moral character. Superman is superheroically moral, and he is not at all tormented by his powers and his respons-ibilities as Clark seems to be. In fact, just the opposite. So, in my opinion, to become Superman, Clark needs to finally shed his adolescent angst and ego, and adopt the purity and nobility of character that Superman exhibits, and start to enjoy saving the lives of others, instead of pissing and moaning about his own lot. Clark is gifted, and he needs to start enjoying his gifts by using them properly in service to mankind, proactively, as opposed to just reacting to each new crisis as it appears.
I'd say 388 million is decent by oisin5199	Sep 30th, 2006 04:41:39 PM
I REALLY don't want to get into another SR bashing discussion, especially in terms of box office. Let's just say that we'll discuss it again when the sequel comes out. There's going to be one. It's freakin' Superman, for chrissakes. They're not going to let that franchise die. Smallville's an entertaining tv show, but it's not movie-worthy (sorry, Sherm). You cannot tell me that the tv effects on the premiere, as impressive as they were, could even hold a candle to the plane sequence in SR. Singer haters are so delusional that they' ll grasp on to anything that can justify their irrational hatred of the film. Barron34, nice observations. I hope the writers realize that by the time they end the show. It should really end on an uplifting note, with all the angst finally left behind.
"You cannot tell me that the tv effects on the..." by Shermdawg	Sep 30th, 2006 05:53:19 PM
"...premiere, as impressive as they were, could even hold a candle to the plane sequence in SR." It doesn't matter what had better effects, it matters what was more interesting. And having Clark be attacked by Phantom Zone spirits and him fighting Lex/Zod was a hell of a lot more exciting. Why? Because NO ONE in all of the years they've used Supes in the (live action) films or shows, have ever had the balls or the common sense to do something like that. Something we've wanted to see FOREVER. It was action scenes that wasn't campy or involve him lifting some random object. Now don't get me wrong, I like the big fight in Superman 2, but c'mon, Smallville captured the imagination of modern comics with the two scenes I mentioned. And yes oisin, Smallville IS movie worthy. It just needs a chance, if only one. Superman needs an update, and thats what Smallville is. Not some retro ode to the Donner era. Honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that they had sunk all the money into Returns preproduction over the years, and Singer becoming available, we probably would have got a Smallville flick, or at least a guarantee of one. And I'm not a Singer hater. I did hate X1, but most of those were due to budget cuts, and lack of support from Fox (mainly Rothman), the only thing I blame on Singer, was the raping of Sabretooth's character, and making him no more than a run of the mill thug. I didn't hate Superman Returns it has it's moment, although they are few and far between. I liked, maybe even loved the kid scenario, and the seaplane sequence. But overall, it was full of plotholes, bad characterization, and was extremely miscast. Unlike X-men, Singer was more in control of this one, and he kinda blew it. And no, I'm not talking about his sexual preference, so no one turn this into a gay bashing thread like the earlier Returns tb's always turned into.
Compare TV effects with SR?? by Kenny8	Sep 30th, 2006 09:38:29 PM
That's ridiculous..SR had a "slightly" bigger effects budget. For my money the Smallville premiere was more entertaining than what Singer dished up. I love the Donner 78 version of Superman, but that was a loong time ago...here's to the future!
Smallville is insipid trash by Fatboy_Roberts	Oct 1st, 2006 02:13:03 AM
It takes a hell of a lot to make a Zod/Superman fight boring as shit, and somehow they did it. I didn't even get perfunctory goosebumps at "Kneel Before Zod." The acting didn't help, either. And of course, everything is hamfistedly fixed and wrapped up in 40 minutes with no real consequences. It's like they write an episode by tipping over a box of deus ex-machina onto rejected Buffy scripts, blending it and throwing it into a fan that blows in the direction of the cast. The show had promise once, and this episode is yet another example of squandered promise.
Fatboy_Roberts by Shermdawg	Oct 1st, 2006 02:42:42 AM
"everything is hamfistedly fixed and wrapped up in 40 minutes with no real consequences. It's like they write an episode by tipping over a box of deus ex-machina" Um, isn't that how a great deal of Star Trek episodes were? Isn't that how a lot of comics were? And it was Lex for cryin' out loud! How long did you expect that to last? We've got two more seasons and since this was the biggest villian Clark has faced to date, I wouldn't be surprised if Zod returned in some fashion to wreak havoc on Kal-El. I will admit, I was a bit disappointed John Lithgow wasn't cast as Zod. I would have loved to hear him say that infamous line.
Just rewatched it by Kenny8	Oct 1st, 2006 04:47:09 AM
There's more of the heart of the Superman saga in this episode than what we got with 21/2 hours of Returns, I reckon. It takes more than just wearing the costume (even a crap version of it)to be Superman
Chloevage! by nemesisdarkside	Oct 1st, 2006 12:27:51 PM
Allison Mack looked so yummy in this ep, I was tempted to kiss the screen! ;P Seriously though, I really enjoyed this ep "CK" "Kneel before Zod", Lana getting her hand impaled (if only because it showed Zod as ruthless), the Clark/Zod fight. I have been hoping for a JLA storyline for AGES, so I personally can't wait.
How many episodes have had this scene? by BitterMan23	Oct 1st, 2006 03:59:28 PM
It goes something like this: Some person runs into smallville medical and sees their hurt friend. Person: "Are you OK?" (Hurt person, hurt BECAUSE of first person, looks stunned, confused) Person: "What is it?" Hurt Person: "You don't remember anything, do you?" Person: "All I remember is (whatever lame plot device the episode had to kick things off), and then I woke up here." I'm guessing at least 100.
Get away with murder... by Kenny8	Oct 1st, 2006 11:58:27 PM
Yeah Bitterman, I know what you mean, you do have to go with it. You could literally get away with murder in Smallville. After performing said foul deed one need only stare blankly and ask "What happened?" and all is forgiven. Hey, it's Smallville. Crazy shit happens all the time.
oisin5199 and Shermdawg by knossis	Oct 2nd, 2006 09:11:33 AM
In response to oisin5199's post on which effects were better, Superman Returns or Smallville? I'd have to go with Smallville. The plane sequence in SR looked very fake you could tell it was computer generated. Routh's face looked almost airbrushed at times. Plus it the scene lacked urgency. Bryan just one tried to one up Donner's helicopter rescue in the original Superman.Unfortunately the scene lacked the awe inducing moments that Donner's scene had. In the original, it was cool as hell to see Superman flying up the side of the building to catch Lois. But when the copter fell and he caught that too, it was awesome!No one had ever seen anything like that done before in film, it was a first. Singer's didn't work because we've all seen stuff like the airplane SF a zillion times.The Matrix did the flying stuff, so we'd all seen that. And everything else can be seen to be CG. They should have blended a little more pratical SF with Computer SF in Superman Returns. It might have worked better.Smallville got this right,we Clark hits the tree's and is thrown to the earth by Zod. The used a combination of CG effects and pratical effects. It helps pull you into the scene and you kinda go DAMN!!! when you see it.Singer's biggest problem is that he didn't shake up anything, he stayed with what had been laid out before by Donner. He didn't make his own film, he just reinvisioned Donner's. In response to Shermdawg's question of how did Routh play Clark? I don't think Routh got a chance to sink is teeth into Superman or Clark. He wasn't given much to work with. Both characters where just blah, almost robotic at times. They didn't spent enough time with Clark. If Superman is going to work, Clark has to work. You have to believe in Clark as a person. That's what they got right in Batman Begins. Because we saw Bruce's struggle with his own fear, guilt and weakness. You identify more with Batman. He's not just some total fearless, unemotional badass. He had to overcome a lot of crap to become the Batman. If they do make a sequel to Superman Returns(Which I hope they do) they need to flesh out Clark, and by doing so, they'll enhance Superman.
knossis... by Shermdawg	Oct 2nd, 2006 11:47:16 PM
The Routh question was rhetorical.
Smallville v superman returns by RangerLee	Oct 3rd, 2006 04:06:45 AM
This smallville episode was everything i wanted the film to be. made me even more angry at what a wasted oppotunity. just hoping by 2008 they've wised up and make a smallville film and not a another sucky singer sequel.
Why Smallville Spanks SR by _Maltheus_	Oct 3rd, 2006 04:54:03 PM
Smallville has always been a guilty pleasure for me. But that episode reminded me of why I liked it so much more than SR, and some of you have touched on it here. The effects are used in a more interesting (fun) way. When they were fighting and ended up plowing through the earth, I loved it. Watching Routh look all constipated trying to lift a continent (it's a movies so things have to be BIGGER), I couldn't care less. No one is impressed by CGI for the sake of CGI anymore. ........ I don't think Smallville would be good on the big screen because no television show is ever good on the big screen. Conventional wisdom is that TV is fluff and movies are serious. But I think it's the exact opposite. You can't tell much of a story in two hours, especially when you have to set it up in a general way for a general audience. Movies always pale by comparison. Everyone's favorite movie based on a show was Wrath of Khan, but that was good because it was continuing a story from an episode. I can almost guarantee that any movie adaption here would change Lex's character into some ultra-evil guy to make things clearer for the audience. All the Smallville fans like him for his depth, and that's the first thing they'd strip from his character. You all know it's true. (Although I thought the "Kneel before Zod" line was terribly delivered.) .......... And yes, John Schneider is the ultimate Pa Kent. He was also one of my favorite characters on TV period. Pushing the reset button on that 100th episode was the worst thing that ever happened to this show. Worse than Lana as a witch/vampire. .......... And Louis isn't even a butter face. He body seems lippoed or she works out too much or something. It just ain't cut right. It ain't womanly. Lana is insanely hot, but she needed to die for the sake of the story. At the very least, they should turn her dark like Lex (she has it in her).
Shermdawg by knossis	Oct 4th, 2006 08:13:59 AM
My Bad...
Totally agree _Maltheus_. by knossis	Oct 4th, 2006 08:19:39 AM
With your comment about why The Wrath of Kahn is well liked. I think that's the same reason people like Star Trek First Contact, there was history between Picard and the Borg. Plus there was some damn good acting in it. Hell!!! my Ex didn't even like Sci Fi movies,( I think her comment was," What's the big deal, its just going to be a bunch a ships flying around?")but she liked the movie because of the story and the acting.

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