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Harry Sees Mel Gibson's APOCALYPTO At Fantastic Fest!!

snap by georges garvaren	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:08:08 PM
good one
first? by REBEL_SKUM	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:09:28 PM
sounds pretty damn sweet
first by bouncing1	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:11:26 PM
and fuck mel still...
First by hypnotron	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:14:14 PM
I think
Naive by apStalin	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:14:25 PM
i really thought 300 was gonna play
Lethality is a good word for Gibson's career. by Nate Champion	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:15:25 PM
Does Mel have anything besides arterial sprays and axes on his mind? Based on Harry's description this sounds like he's making Braveheart all over again. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! People can complain all they want about the drunken rant, but it's his terrible movies that should be the focus of attention.
Don't know if I will ever see this by magritte	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:15:46 PM
I like Gibson but this seems just to much.
Sounds cool. by gorillaskull	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:15:56 PM
Ive wanted to see this film since the teaser. I cant wait for more reviews
Ah, the anticipated story of Jaguar Paw and his kin!!! by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:21:20 PM
Wow! So much action! And the Mayan angle is super-cool too! Rich Mayans killing poor Mayans? Who knew there was such a thing? I'm harder than a diamond right now thinking about how sweet a "Crichton" thrill-ride awaits when this highly relevant and novel movie hits the theaters this winter. And Mel Gibson is there to pimp it in person? Well, paint my ass blue and white and call me a Zionist! Woweee! Mel "The Goosestepper" Gibson in the flesh! I hope he calls Harry "sweet tits, as he's prone to do around female police officers. Man, any guy who denies the Holocaust and loves the Three Stooges is ok in my book! HARRY YOU'RE SO LUCKY TO HAVE SUCH A GOOD FRIEND!
Haha by DarthDooku	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:22:46 PM
Didn't expect that to be the surprise. A surprise indeed!
Hmm...Sounds good by SanityKaos	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:23:51 PM
I don't know what to think about Mel Gibson anymore after his supposed drunken racist rant But this film is looking pretty frakking good We'll see.......
Harry, you love secrets? Ask Mel about his secrets by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:25:29 PM
Ask him what he and his Daddy "know" about a certain event in the 1930s-40s that ended in the deaths of 6 million Jews. Woah Nelly, does Mel have a few secrets he's itchin to share with you. But if he invites you into his walk-in oven, turn around and haul your ass out of there.
YAAAAWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNnnnnn. by future help	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:27:08 PM
well, i guess that's better than having to watch Sean Penn scream his ass off in his latest movie.
I love that Mel is so on the ropes now by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:32:48 PM
That Mel raced to FANTASTICFEST for help in promoting his new movie. Where does a racist/sexist best survive criticism from the masses? TEXAS of course! I know Austin is more progressive, but still, first Oklahoma and now Texas? Mel, why don't you bring your silly little Mayan slasher film to the Lower East Side here in Manhattan and let's see how your little Q n' A session goes. You know what's worse than a racist? A cowardly one. Hey Mel, good luck piecing your image back together!
SUGAR-TITS! by Screwdriver	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:34:30 PM
what a nutter!
YackBacker... by Dr. Butthole	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:36:12 PM
Pipe down, you attention whore. I really respect Harry's choice (for once) to leave the personal side out of this review and let the movie speak for itself. Mel's political/personal views (or any other celebrity's, for that matter) don't mean crap to me. I think Mel Gibson is a great film maker and I look forward to seeing this one.
I don't care if Mel walks onstage dressed as Hitler... by Shermdawg	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:38:50 PM
at next year's Oscars, I'll still love his work. I might not agree with whatever his personal beliefs may or may not be, but nothing, and I mean NOTHING outside of slappin' my mama will make me hate Lethal Weapon 2. I can't wait for Apocalypto!
Sounds awesome... by halcyonseven	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:38:52 PM
And to all you talkbackers jabbin at Mel... go ahead and jab you dumb fucks. He has more power, creativity, raw talent and lets not forget money than all of you combined. He may have said some dumb and irresponsible things while drunk but most of you manage to sound even dumber while sober on these boards.
Mayan civilization fell centuries b4 Europeans arrived by FluffyUnbound	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:39:38 PM
I guess history wasn't the audience member's stong suit.
Yeah, Hitler had more power & creativity than me too by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:51:43 PM
Let's worship the cult of personality, shall we? In defending Mel as a person, you people have little to stand on. I do think a movie about Mayans is a pretty boring concept. But that's my personal taste. If you like what you're seeing, go ahead and enjoy yourselves. I won't tell you not to, that's for sure. But at the same time, he offends me as a person and I reserve my right to criticize him whenever I like. And if I'm not as "powerful" as him, then so be it. I'd rather be open-minded and moderately well-to-do than rich and racist. Carry on.
If I was there I would have asked Mel about... by Shermdawg	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:52:06 PM
"The Passion of the Jew" episode of South Park. He may not have appreciated everything Trey and Matt were throwing at him, but I got a feeling he probably got a kick out of it's ending.
I had to quit reading but not before . . . by MrCere	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:52:28 PM
"A killing trap of brutal lethality." HAHAHAHAHAHA! Anyway, I had to quit reading because I didn't want any more of the film given away. People will hate Mel Gibson, but I am look forward to the film, I just don't want to read more about it, especially past the 'somebody killed the dog' part. Amen.
Sherm, as usual, you crack me up by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:53:41 PM
I just pictured Mel slapping Mrs. Dawg around and you saying "Mel, if you don't let up on Mama, I'm tossing this here DVD of Leath Weapon 2 in the trash! YOU HEAR ME MEL?! Tossed!!"
Did you ask Mel anything Kosher? by TomBodet	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:57:08 PM
Jest wondering. Apocalypto! We Tol-tec Jew that Gibby had something up his sleeve. Didn't we see this Ol-mec before? Rapa Nui or Clan of the Cave Bear or Dinosaurus? Windwalkers? I could go on but am sure you know the spiel. This does look interesting, certainly. Are you like the nearest non-Jewish guy he could find to show this movie to?
"Even dumber while sober" by Neil	Sep 23rd, 2006 09:58:20 PM
Wow! First I ended up defending Harry's writing and now I'm descending even further into the abyss and defending Talkbackers? But seriously, I've seen some dumb things said on these Talkbacks, but dumber than "The Jews are responsible for all the war in the world."? I don't think so. The drunk thing is a cop-out. Most people have said dumb stuff drunk, but I don't know anyone whose gone anywhere close to going on a long racist screed. Mostly admitting crushes on people or acknowledging a bosses ineptitudes at imprudent moments. Racist screeds are still the exclusive territory of racists. And while I agree, in general, that artists personal beliefs shouldn't affect my view of their art, I think virulent racism goes way past the line at which I can let it go as part of their "personal life". I can't imagine how I could see that differently and still face myself in the mirror. I'm honestly not sure how Gibson's power or money make him better than me, that would also make every single member of congress, regardless of their beliefs or competence level, better than me as well. It's a pretty pitiful argument, a desperate cry to defend what is to any decent human being ABSOLUTELY INDEFENSIBLE. But, whatever, when it comes to APOCALYPTO, I agree with Nate Champion, the problem is he's a terrible filmmaker with ridiculous one-dimensional views of the human soul and human interaction. I'm sure this movie looks beautiful, but I've heard nothing to convince me he's risen above that enormous hurdle.
i agree with whoever said it by Holodigm	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:04:12 PM
damn good on harry to ignore politics and mel's fuckup. plenty of people would have passed on the opportunity because 'oh no, he doesn't like jews'. because knowing that changes the amount of talent he has. /cheer headgeek
i have no proof, as i did not post on the other thread by waggy	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:05:55 PM
but this is what i thought the secret screening would be before i even started reading other people's guesses. so i'm proud of myself right now. i think this whole fiasco as we're calling it now, will make for a much more interesting story if this turns out to be a great film in the end.
Quote from the AP article on Mel's Oklahoma appearance by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:09:36 PM
"Gibson did not make a public appearance during screenings held at the Riverwind Casino in Goldsby and Cameron University in Lawton. At the entrance of the casino — where the film was shown Friday to a mostly American Indian audience — reporters were kept behind partitions. He arrived at Cameron on Thursday morning wearing a mask and wig so he wouldn't be noticed, university spokeswoman Amber McNeil said." I wonder if Harry had to keep this secret so the press wouldn't hassle Mel at the FANTASTICFEST screening tonight. Yeah, Harry loves secrets alright, how about when he's told to keep his mouth shut or else. Cowardice is catchy, I suppose.
Gibson is racist because.... by CTU Mole	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:10:36 PM
The Jews don't run Hollywood? And they don't cause wars or because the cop doesn't have sugar tits? He made some drunken 'observations'. Let it go, people. If you only watched movies made by people you would like in real life you probably would never see another movie again. I know I wouldn't.
You're not open-minded at all... by Dr. Butthole	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:11:07 PM
Yackbacker, you've already decided that Mel Gibson is a Jew-hating Nazi sympathizer with an oven ready for anyone who doesn't agree with him. Open-minded? You come off as one-sided as you make Mel Gibson out to be. My question is, would you even watch this movie? If you're open-minded, you'd at least check it out, regardless of who directed it. I think Roman Polanski is a criminal and a paedophile who is avoiding justice and mocking law and order by not answering to his charges, but I can appreciate the man's art. Does he get off the hook because he made a movie about the Holocaust? Just curious.
C'mon, Yackbacker... by Huffy_Henry	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:13:17 PM
you never said anything stupid when you were drunk? I know I have. What's funny is the double-standard as far as the news and media goes. Mel offends Jews = HUGE STORY. Rosie says fundamentalist christians are just as dangerous as islamic terrorists = audience applause & hardly a peep from critics. Now, I hate all religions equally, but that did seem a bit weird. PS - can't wait to see this flick.
Guys, Harry ignores Mel's politics for obvious reasons by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:16:43 PM
Harry doesn't want to ruffle Mel's feathers. You have to remember, Harry is hosting Mel. He isn't a journalist in this instance (or most instances for that matter). I'm not shocked by the kid-gloves approach here. It would have been pretty impressive if Harry turned down Mel's publicist when they came calling, that's for sure. Harry, you talk a progressive talk (Bush-bashing, etc.), but man you don't life up to it. The next time you criticize anyone for being racist or reactionary, I'll be there to remind you of those with whom you associate.
Is Harry noble for not bringing up politics? by MrCere	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:22:13 PM
I don't know if Harry is being noble or not by not bringing up politics. Perhaps he just wants as many directors and cool films at his festival as possible. I don't KNOW but I suspect it has more to do with serving Harry and AICN than some moral stand or policy. Not that I blame him, just don't turn it into "Harry is so great and never self-serving."
Since there are no TBs for it, I recommend FEARLESS by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:23:59 PM
I saw it yesterday and it was quite good. I understand the US version was a cut version from the original (which featured more violence), but regardless it was a very straight-forward action/drama that had good pacing, good acting and a great story. Check it out.
wow by peterwatts	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:27:19 PM
I havent been more let down since Anne Hesche went straight again. So know we know why Harry hates Ratner?
I wonder who's worse- Danny Glover or Mel Gibson? by Cotton McKnight	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:27:24 PM
Mel Gibson, in a drunken rage, makes comments about jews. Danny Glover appears at Hugo Chavez events and spouts crazy, nonsensical crap. Let the games begin!
Politics? by Neil	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:27:36 PM
Is blaming all the world's problems on one ethnic group really just POLITICS? Are long screeds with some degree of complicated view structure really anything like what you say when you've had too much to drink? Because that's way out of line with the drunken behavior I've seen. And I've seen at least my share over the years. I know it's not easy to give up on celebrities and the kind of pseudo-friendship that build's in one's head. And I don't care if any of you loved his simple-minded movies. I don't even really care if you don't care that he's a racist. But don't expect people who've actually considered this issue to consider your deliberate lack of concern over something that decent people denounced as evil decades ago to be a reasonable position. I can only wonder what he'd have to do in order to actually be seen as a poor example of humanity to some of you.
Everyone who is bashing Harry- shut the fuck up. by Cotton McKnight	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:30:27 PM
All I know is, you people bitch and moan when he does ANYTHING other than present a review of a movie. Well he did that, and look what happens- a bunch of left leaning fruitcakes start whining because he didn't bring up the Mel Gibson stuff. Harry reviewed the movie on its merits and that's all we can ask. Shut up.
Actors and bad behavior by antonphd	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:31:30 PM
isn't it expected that all people in Hollywood are a bunch of fucking idiots and perverts? i like how the same people who defend child porn as a right complain that an actor is sexist. and you want to talk about racism in hollywood?! let's talk about jewish people who openly mock non jewish people and make billions. some of the hardest core racists are jewish people. if you, like me, are jewish, you KNOW this is true. and how is it that you can all blame white people or islamic people for the wars in the middle east but not give partial blame to israel for the war with palistine. they are fighting over land PERIOD. it's a fight and both sides are claiming religious rights to the land. not every agrees that jews have a god given right to that land. i don't like war and i don't like oppression or racism... but mel gibson was drunk and ranting and what he said is not racist, it was political dumbasses. look how much shit he got for the passion from his fellow jewish hollywood friends. yeah, blaming people because of their race is wrong, but don't act like he wasn't provoked.
"What are you lookin' at, sweet tits??" by Bunger!	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:33:11 PM
[CAMERA CLOSE UP ON MEL - The intoxicated director farts loudly and defecates in his pants. His eyes begin to water and his nostrils flare. He farts again. FADE TO BLACK]
Huffy Harry- you're right. by Cotton McKnight	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:33:51 PM
I hate to say this, but I actually agree with Bill O'Reilly, who said on 20/20 last night that we wouldn't even be talking about some of this junk if the media didn't make a big fuss about it. They are the the great equalizer for the loony left that make up about 20% of the population (if not less).
"What are you lookin' at, sugar tits??" by Bunger!	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:35:43 PM
[CAMERA CLOSE UP ON MEL - The intoxicated director farts loudly and defecates in his pants. His eyes begin to water and his nostrils flare. He farts again. FADE TO BLACK]
This film looks amazing by slone13	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:38:06 PM
What Mel Gibson does in his personal life is completely and utterly inconsequential. Anyone that bases their opinion of this film, or any film for that matter, on the extracurricular activities of its creators is a complete idiot whose opinion is worthless.
Huffy_Henry, I say stupid things when I'm sober by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:38:34 PM
But Mel's statements were not slips of tongue. They were sophisticated (not in style but in meaning) thoughts on Jews. Its one thing to say "Ah, I hate Jews!" but its another to say "Jews are the cause of all the wars in the world." They are both ignorant statements, but the latter is a pretty specific belief. Anyway, I'll not be serious for a sec and tell y'all a silly story about my dumbest drunk statement-- I was at a school party and I was talking to a guy I never met before about this girl across the room. I said to him "You see Nancy over there. Nancy's hot, but man I pity the fool that dates her. She's high-maintenance. You best come correct with your Discover card, ya know what I'm saying?" Turns out the guy was her best friend from childhood that came to visit her for the weekend. Her friend tells her everything later on and she comes up to me and says "Why did you say that about me? What did I ever do to you?" Now, I felt pretty bad, but I was too drunk to formulate a sincere apology, so I just kind of stood there and finally I said "I'm drunk, can we just forget about it?" Guess what? She didn't forget about it! Big surprise. Point is, I actually did think that about her to begin with, and my being drunk spurred me to say it outloud. I wouldn't have said it sober because it would have hurt her feelings. In that regard, I felt bad about the situation. But you know why what I said hurt her feelings? Because she knew that's what I truly believed as well. And that's my point about Mel. I am bothered by the fact that he believes this racist nonsense and is out there making movies for the world to see.
One thing YackBacker and I agree on by MrCere	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:39:52 PM
Jet Li's FEARLESS is quite good. This is a COOL movie and should have had some pub on ACIN. It tells a good story and the action, fantastic as it was, came naturally from the story. Great flick and I would quite enjoy a longer version if there is one.
Huffy Henry nailed it by zacdilone	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:46:02 PM
There is such a double standard in the culture today. And for those of you who say "You never say anything you don't believe when you're drunk," I offer you this..."Man, she's hot. I'd love to nail her."
Mel Gibson is Human Waste by blackwood	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:48:41 PM
Shit from tip to tip. But this movie looks okay.
Ya, no AICN love for FEARLESS by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:49:43 PM
I mean, we got banner ads, etc. on the site promoting it, but the movie deserves a little more support. I know PAN'S LABRYNTH is coming out and its going to be awesome! Ok! But what about FEARLESS? Ronny Yu doesn't have much juice 'round these parts, I guess. Hey, MrCere, how awesome was the opening? After five minutes I knew it was going to be a great flick.
Yackbacker by zacdilone	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:52:02 PM
Did you notice one of the things Mel said after his arrest? It was something along the lines of "I'm on a journey to figure out where that kind of hatred came from." At least he recognizes that he has issues rooted in his past (read: relationship with Daddy). Racism has a CAUSE, usually our upbringing and our religion. I'm not saying this to excuse Mel, but he strikes me as a smart guy who could get to the root cause of this if he tried. The question is...will he? Only when that question is answered should we be willing to accept or write off his right to make movies.
Cotton McKnight by blackwood	Sep 23rd, 2006 10:52:26 PM
Bill O'Reilly proclaimed there was a War On Christmas last year.
Hang on! by Neil	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:02:20 PM
"Anyone that bases their opinion of this film, or any film for that matter, on the extracurricular activities of its creators..." Who has done this? I've been saying BRAVEHEART is one-dimensional tripe for a dozen years. I've been saying THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST was boring and that it never overcame the painfully slilted line-readings of actors speaking languages they neither spoke nor heard spoken outside the making of the film. These were outside my beliefs about Gibson, since I'd always found him a charming and affable personality. My feeling now is that, while I've enjoyed his work as an actor, I'm hesitant to support his work, not JUDGE it, after his comments, which I agree were too specific to be mere accidental drunken rants, with my money or postive word.
Too Soon! by Darth_Nader	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:02:36 PM
The scars of the destruction of the Mayan's are still to much on the minds of everyone.
zacdilone, I hear ya by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:05:49 PM
I do remember that Mel made two statements after his arrest- the first had very little to do with anti-Semitic remarks because they had not yet been reported, they were instead focused on driving drunk. So, he swept the "other" issue aside. That's understandable (not laudable), I suppose. When the news reported the specifics of the incident (and his statements) he issued that statement that you're speaking about. Mel is not a stupid guy, I agree. And I'm not here to say we should ignore his movies. Rather, I'm saying that we should not ignore what he believes, as he is an actor and director of great influence and power. I watch movies made by people whose beliefs I dislike all the time. I can separate the two in certain instances (such as Sean Penn and his performance in SWEET AND LOWDOWN, a great movie). APOCALYPTO happens to sound like CLAN OF THE CAVE BEAR to me, so I'll probably pass on it. But I'm annoyed with this "Mel is a victim because he's a drunk and his daddy is an anti-Semite" argument. People are products of their environment, but when you've ascended to a certain point in your life, and you've met and worked with Jews, etc. you should know better. And blackwood, I'm laughing my ass off about the "War on Christmas" line. O'Reilly is such a douchebag.
At least its an attempt at something totally different by IndustryKiller!	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:09:08 PM
And therefore it's got my money. Seems like a very interesting concept and hats off to Gibson for taking aim. I couldnt care less about his personal life. Mel Gibson doesnt owe me anything except to not make shitty movies and it seems that as a director hes willing to put himself on the chopping block and therefore he gets my respect as an artist.
hey brokebackcowboy by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:09:10 PM
I just realized we both have "back" in our screenames. That means we're related, right?
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by jamie sonil	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:14:44 PM
I....CANT'........WAIT.....FOR THIS MOVIE!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yackbacker by zacdilone	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:15:42 PM
Yes, Gibson should know better. But then again, he sounds like a raging manic-depressive who should know better than to make things worse by going on scotch benders. I'm not trying to paint him as a victim, but I would reject any notion that the depression, the alcohol, and the dad thing are non-factors. If I were him, I'd take a year or two to get to the bottom of all this and seek healing. All I'm saying is that it's possible. I hope we don't have to write the guy off, but if he doesn't get help I'm willing to do it.
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by jamie sonil	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:18:09 PM
I....CANT'........WAIT.....FOR THIS MOVIE!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by jamie sonil	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:18:44 PM
I....CANT'........WAIT.....FOR THIS MOVIE!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a question as an upset Fantastic Fest goer by tornall864	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:21:44 PM
Ok well for future reference, DON'T BUY THE LOUSY REGULAR BADGE FOR FANTASTIC FEST! I'm a college student who couldn't afford the VIP badge, and I got screwed royally. I stood in the front of the regular badge line for three freaking hours waiting for this stupid screening, and the managers kept telling us that "there are more seats than VIP badges." BULL! Every regular badge holder got kicked to the curb. Everyone was pretty pissed off. It defintely left a bad taste in my mouth since I missed Severance to stand in line. Ugh. Harry, I want to know what happened? Did like 30 other people who worked for the studio get in or something? Is this going to happen again on Wed's screening. Should I even waste my time standing in line for that one?
I can't wait!! by wanton_wallie	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:23:58 PM
It should be another interesting film at least. I agree, this is at least one of the most original movies coming out this year. I'm there!
Hmmm by Puñeta	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:38:12 PM
Mel Gibson did say some nasty awful shit, and he mostly gets bashed for it(as he should be), mostly by the liberal media, Roman Polanski rapes a 12 year old girl, fleeds the country and still gets respect. Hmmm. I say judge the director's work on its own merrit, every who knows film history knows that John Ford was a racist yet he is considered great(and he is).
Another Pissed-Off FF Goer by austenandrews	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:48:22 PM
Who the fuck decided to sell enough VIP badges to fill a whole goddamn theater? Those of us with regular badges got to miss a movie slot waiting in line for the "special screening" for over an hour, only to be told that the theater filled up before any regular badges could be admitted. What the holy fuck is that? Which also means I can kiss goodbye any chance of seeing Wednesday night's secret screening and probably The Fountain on Thursday. If that was their plan from the beginning, they'd better damn well tell us that up front and give us a better price break. As it is I'm chuffed enough to demand a refund for the rest of the festival. Fucking jerks. If I don't see a genuine apology somewhere, I'm sure as hell not returning for next year.
you morons complain... by Sir Loin	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:49:12 PM
...that there aren't any "original" movies or non-remakes these days. Somebody gives you one and you STILL complain. Know what? Go outside and join the rest of humanity, perhaps talk to a girl. Get some social skills. Eventually, you'll realize how miniscule your frame of mind was back in the days when you griped like spoiled brats all day at a website called AICN, and you'll be embarrassed to re-read the absurd comments you left behind.
Brokeback, using "X-mas" is common by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:49:58 PM
Lots of people use it, including Christians. And the crucifix is the symbol of Christianity. The crucifiction is one of the most widely depicted images in the world, meant to display Christ's sacrifice through his incredible pain and suffering. I do agree that displaying the "X" in "X-mas" casually can be offensive, but then again, how about when you see a pornstar wearing her cross around her neck when she's taking it in both ends and covered in sperm? Does that offend anyone here? Yowzah!
zacdilone, you make a worthy point by YackBacker	Sep 23rd, 2006 11:59:40 PM
People are flawed, they do bad things and they are in the end only human. Puneta, I think you're driving towards the same point too. I'm sure there are a lot of good things Mel does, he probably gives money to charities, he might be a good father, a good husband (although those photos of him with his arms around attractive women at the scotch/beer bender before he got arrested might suggest otherwise!) so I won't write him off for this incident-- not as an artist for that matter. It just so happens in this instance that I am not interested in a movie about Mayans. That issue aside, I do take issue with what he said and I'll be vocal about it where the forum allows, such as a talkback. Either way, we're all starving moviegoers dying for good cinema and quality entertainment. Let's remember we're together in this struggle to be entertained.
Sounds incredible... by viola123	Sep 24th, 2006 12:10:50 AM
Harry, thank you for the review. I can't wait to see this. I knew it! And I'm so glad Mel Gibson will be there with you and your fest-goers. That's a scoop!! I can't wait to read what you and everyone else has to say about the screening too. This is what Mel needed to do. Get the film out there, seen, and have people hopefully focus on it, because it would be awful if it's as wonderful as it sounds, but gets ignored. We've been through this once before. Thanks again, Harry!
"Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world" by crackerfarmboy	Sep 24th, 2006 12:27:30 AM
Paranoid much?
degrees of anti-Semitism by God Shamgodd	Sep 24th, 2006 12:36:13 AM
Gibson should be condemned for what he said, clearly, but it strikes me as more ignorant than anything else. I'm not Jewish, so I can't say what "should" and "shouldn't" offend a Jew. But trading in one of the traditional stereotypes about Jews--for example, that they are greedy, miserly, and consumed with money--or claiming that they use the blood of children for Passover rituals (see here: http://tinyurl.com/akhox) is, to me, vastly more offensive than what Gibson said. Imagine instead that he had said, "The Italians are responsible for all the wars in the world." Everyone would have said, "Huh? That's nuts..." Italians and Italian-Americans would have been pissed, and would have demanded an apology. Rightly so. But the rest of us wouldn't be condemning Gibson the way we are now. Why? Because saying that a particulr group is responsible for various wars is not grossly demeaning -- not in my view, anyway. Yeah, I know Gibson is suspect because of his father, and because some people thought The Passion of the Christ was anti-Semitic (though the head of the ADL did not). I also understand that anti-Semitism is vastly more troubling than other "antis" because of the Holocaust; we saw what anti-Semitism could lead to, when taken to extremes. But all this stuff about Gibson being a Nazi and a Jew-hater is way over-the-top, if you ask me. More likely, he's an ignorant guy with some uncharitable, ill-informed stereotypes kicking around his head that come out when he's drunk. In that respect, he's probably like a lot of otherwise reasonable, respectable people that all of us know, work with, and call our friends.
Give me back my eighteen dollars! Keplach! by Christopher3	Sep 24th, 2006 12:42:38 AM
Seriously, though, this looks like a pretty good film. Hope it finds an audience - it'll largely be lost on Jews and Jesus freaks this time round. Don't think the people who turned out for 2+ hours of Christ torture will cotton to a movie starring uncivilized New World heathens. And yeah, "Clan of the Cave Bear" was pants, but "Quest For Fire" was tits.
Who hasn't been an idiot when drunk? by scrivener	Sep 24th, 2006 12:56:45 AM
Once in vegas I was at a night club with some friends and all there was a severe lack of chicks (hot or otherwise). One of my buddies goes "It's a fucking sausage fest in here" and I said "When life gives you sausages, make sausage-aid", and I started to hit on some dude that I thought looked like fabio. At the time, being fabios butt budy sounded like it would make a good story I could tell people. Fortunately, my friends were there to rescue me, and just thinking about that now makes me feel physically sick. Anyway, stop fucking whining about Gibsons antisemetic tirade. When people get drunk they think, say, and do REALLY stupid out-of-character things. You're all fucking whiny douchebags who get their jollies verbally assaulting the celebrity/public figure flavor of the month. Here's a hint, it's not amusing - it's fucking annoying as fuck.
Rebeck by scrivener	Sep 24th, 2006 12:59:50 AM
Wow, did you just compare Mel Gibson to Saddam Hussein and OJ Simpson? So you're actually implying that Mel Gibson rapes, tortures, and murders innocent people? Wow. Just wow. I think maybe you need to re-evaluate yourself, because you are exactly the thing you claim Gibson to be.
I'm kinda racist... by PCH Boy	Sep 24th, 2006 01:04:49 AM
Is that cool with you guys?
Wait a damn minute by VanLingoMungo	Sep 24th, 2006 01:05:52 AM
I've said some really stupid shit while hammered. I mean REALLY stupid shit. I'm not saying that Mel doesn't have a bias against Jews, but the fact is that he has never committed acts of violence against any people, and he's never endorsed any type of violence against people. Having a shitty opinion is fine, as long as it doesn't manifest itself. I don't have a problem with biases...I have a problem when said biases affect the way you treat other people. And in many cases, they don't hurt a damn soul. Be a bigot, fine, just don't hurt anybody...And Mel hasn't.
Can't wait by JohnnyS2	Sep 24th, 2006 01:11:17 AM
It's a niche kind of movie, but it'll get it's audience.
SWEET! by AUSTINDAZE1	Sep 24th, 2006 01:16:41 AM
We are so lucky to live here in Austin. Thanks for sharing this with us. We still have 5 nights left of Fantastic Fest..................
The douche-baggery on this site boggles the mind. by Sith Angel	Sep 24th, 2006 01:33:33 AM
So many here of some sub-set of society are just looking to be victims. Race, religion, hair color...doesn't matter. No one, especially the media, has even mentioned the fact that Mel donates MILLIONS each year to MANY humanitarian causes, not just religious or political ones like most Hollywood jerk-offs. Hillary Clinton's bid doanations do not count as "humanitarian". See how many well-known Semites you can find that give money away to other-than-Semetic causes. Sorry, stereotypes come from somewhere, and they wouldn't be prepetuated if there wasn't a measure of truth to them. Mel goofed. So fucking what. When you give as much money away to feed kids, build homes, and save lives, then you fucking crybabies can say something, otherwise, get in your Jetta, plug your iPod in, listen to some R.E.M., label anything you don't like as "hate speech", and shut the fuck up! God, I thought we were done with all these 90's PC douche bags. Ugh!!!
I like how everyone ignores the truth about his comment by antonphd	Sep 24th, 2006 01:33:58 AM
he's not anti-jew. let's get one thing straight... he was trying to get a distributer for Apocolypicowhatever and everyone who was pissed about The Passion made his life a living hell. thus the comments about how his life and career are fucked. don't you guys pay attention? and let's make something else clear here... jewish people are far from innocent of racism and sexism. they are SEXIST as fucking hell. just like christians and muslims. not all, but certainly the fundementalists are. let's stop kidding ourselves about these 3 religions... CORE beliefs are oppressive. fuck all of them if they want to be hypocritical and point fingers at each other. i am jewish and i was raised by german christians and now i am just a person who believes in God but won't go to church because of all the damn sexism. not any church. fucking jewish people can get off their fucking high horse about mel gibsons comments cause they have publically said 10 x worse about him and The Passion and ALL in the name of getting 15 minutes of fame or pushing up the dedication of the congregation by getting them united against someone. mel was a fucking asshole for what he did, but he didn't start the fight. and nobody should kid themselves that he's not going to fucked for making The Passion for the rest of his life by anti-everyone jewish people. again, i'm jewish, so, go fuck yourself if you arent' and try to tell me i'm anti jew and fuck you if you are jewish and want to lie that this shit isn't true. at least people should tell the truth about what mel gibson did instead of demonizing him.
Scrivener by Rebeck	Sep 24th, 2006 01:43:13 AM
So, I'm a racist, because I think Gibson is scum?? How does that work? I was exaggerating to make a point about someone's "personal life" not being relevant. I don't think Gibson killed anybody, but if he inspires even ONE loser (maybe yourself?) to hate on Jews and maybe even act on that hate, then yeah, he's fucking scum. If the world hasn't learned its lesson yet on this subject yet, then I really can't help you people. Jews are the canaries in the coal mine, the hate always starts with them and moves down the line... I for one am not going to wait until it gets to my group to be offended. Get a fuckin' backbone.
antonphd by blackwood	Sep 24th, 2006 01:45:58 AM
... so... people shouldn't be upset with Mel... because he's... right? Or because... Jews are just as bad? It's hard to understand what you're saying through all the insane.
The Pit by The_Deathticle	Sep 24th, 2006 01:47:34 AM
Wouldn't the wife and child simply float to the top of the pit as it filled with water?
blackwood by antonphd	Sep 24th, 2006 01:50:38 AM
no, i'm talking to the people calling him hitler. i think he was an asshole for what he said, but he's just a fucking actor. he's not the president. he doesn't see himself as a leader and he wasn't trying to send a message to anyone. he was drunk and pissed about something and he was a fucking asshole. but he's not hitler. and i'm watching a movie at the same time as i'm writing, so, it's probably scattered sounding
People Wonder by Rebeck	Sep 24th, 2006 01:56:31 AM
Why the Holocaust happened. It's because 99% of people have had their spine removed and are too selfish to ever stand up for a persecuted minority. Hey man, those Nazis never bother me...at least the trains are on time. Yeah, sorry, this shit pisses me off. The Christians who fell for that fucking snuff film called "The Passion Of Christ" are already "forgiving" Mel and rooting for him. Cuz, you know, he was just telling the truth... These are the same people who hate Hollywood because they vote Democratic and think Bush is morally superior cuz all he did was kill thousands of people while Clinton got his dick sucked. Christians suck! Most Christians are as far removed from Christ as a fucking Satanist. Incredible hypocrites.
Douche Bags by Bearded Clam	Sep 24th, 2006 02:08:21 AM
First time poster. Is Mel anti semitic, sure. Do his movies rock, yes! What about Passion of the Christ is anti semitic? If my roommate, a Jewish fellow, made a movie about Jewish history Jesus would be a super sweet carpenter. As a Christian, would I be offended, never. Thats what their history says. Why are people so f_cking stupid?
PS by Rebeck	Sep 24th, 2006 02:11:04 AM
Oh and he wasn't drunk, by the way. It was the middle of the day and he was driving on the wrong side of the road because he was driving while AMERICAN.
Monkeybutt, WTF??? by Rebeck	Sep 24th, 2006 02:11:17 AM
Does that have to do with anything? Yeah, Matthew Broderick was responsible for a car accident that killed two women. And he's had to live with that shit. Do you know for a fact that he didn't suffer greatly because of that, or that he didn't do good things to try make up for this terrible mistake on his part?? How you got from A to Q is truly bizarre. If he said "Irish people should be killed" and THEN had an accident... BTW, he's half Irish and half Jewish. Relevant? Not really. But as much as your post I guess...
So Clam by Rebeck	Sep 24th, 2006 02:14:20 AM
The fact that Mel made that shitty fucking film and then later went on to make anti-semetic remarks. Just, total coincidence, huh? Wow. What are the odds?
by the way by Dmann	Sep 24th, 2006 02:17:18 AM
Massawyrm is a syphills infected douche for seeing it too.
oh and... by Dmann	Sep 24th, 2006 02:18:14 AM
You both know i love you in a semi gay way. (it isnt totally gay if you pitch)
The "Apocalypto" trailer... by Stollentroll	Sep 24th, 2006 02:19:53 AM
...looks fucking ridiculous.
RE: Rebeck by Bearded Clam	Sep 24th, 2006 02:24:25 AM
I hear you broseph. However, he made a movie about the bible and its 100% accurate to what it says. Again, do I think he's anti semitic, yes. That movie, no.
You speak the truth when you're drunk by terry1978	Sep 24th, 2006 02:25:09 AM
Don't try and sugarcoat the shit, because that's how it's been since the beginning of time. Liquor loosens that tongue, and whatever pent up opinions you had come to the surface. I'm not cutting Gibson any slack in that department.
Welll, well... by random dude	Sep 24th, 2006 02:31:34 AM
Mel Gibson in his WHOLE life hasn't done a thing, hasn't committed a deed that would point he somehow hates or dislikes jews. Now, that all means nothing cause he said some shit while he was drunk. Calling you ignorant would by too soft a ward. Bitches... that might suit better.
Whoa, I never heard about the Broderick incident. by Shermdawg	Sep 24th, 2006 02:40:01 AM
Of course I was seven at the time, but still, it's a bit shocking.
He's an actor by Poacher	Sep 24th, 2006 02:44:06 AM
Not a politician. What he said was ignorant and stupid, but he's not running for office. Why does it really matter or affect anything?
Rebeck by antonphd	Sep 24th, 2006 03:01:58 AM
I never saw The Passion but I understand why it was made. It was made for similiar reasons for making Schindler's List. It was supposed to be a memorial. It wasn't supposed to be a movie to make people blame jewish people for killing someone who claimed to be their messiah. You know... if anyone looked bad in the story it was the people who were self appointed religious authority figures who were oppressing people. That's nothing to do with race or religion but politics. According to the story Jesus was asasinated because he was a threat to the political religious leaders. When someone goes around doing miracles and being nice to the undesirables in society and tells everyone that they should be good to everyone and then tells the religious leaders that they are ignorant and tyranical... that will get you killed. Remember the last time someone tried to tell everyone to treat everyone equal... we have a holiday in this country for him too. So, is a movie about how white people killed Martin Luther King Jr anti-white? No.
I HEART MELABEES by BannedOnTheRun	Sep 24th, 2006 03:12:30 AM
Interesting how Mel's drunken comments can spawn this huge talkback and put him on everyone's shit list for eternity, but if he said the same thing on the floor of the U.N. this week, you'd all be saying, "You know, he's got a point. We need to listen to this man. And invite him to speak at our college. And help him with his nuclear program." MOVIE TRAILER GUY: "In a world full of Mahmoud Ahmadinejads... I'm willing to cut Mel Gibson some slack." I call my film, "EARTH TO FANBOYS."
do you all think the nazis have gotten a bad rap? by Exeter	Sep 24th, 2006 03:33:49 AM
and if not why? i mean they just wanted the zionist puppeteer parasites out of their weak post-ww1 economy is that so bad? i mean their aryan racism and all was obviously stepping the line, maniacal & sadistic, and they should've gone after the actual zionists selectively, i've seen jews who are against the zionist societies too, they shouldd have worked together wtih everyone to oust the parasites, the same ones who ussd up early 20th century england, the same ones who moved into imperial germany, and are now controlling the USA, pulling all the strings,
RE: Exeter by Bearded Clam	Sep 24th, 2006 03:41:01 AM
You're just a woman with a small brain.
It's 300! by brokentusk	Sep 24th, 2006 05:04:16 AM
Wait, we're passed that...
I am feeling this is gonna be cool by revam	Sep 24th, 2006 05:17:27 AM
I can feel it! Feel it brotha Mel! I can feel it!
By the Gods! A Jew Debate & no Anchorite? by glodene	Sep 24th, 2006 05:57:57 AM
Will wonders never cease. Personally, I find a lack of a patent "Oy Vey! Everyone who supports Mel Gibson & his ilk, is anti-simitic" Anchorite diatribe disturbing. C'mon Anchorite, where are you? The natives are restless.
Rebeck I bow to your wisdom by zacdilone	Sep 24th, 2006 06:00:56 AM
You obviously have met EVERY Christian on the planet. Mel may have a racist demon to purge, but you're not too far from that kind of bigotry with "Christians suck." Yes, a large subset of the Christian faith are bigoted, self-centered idiots. Show me any group that doesn't have a lunatic fringe. The problem with Christianity is that the lunatic fringe currently has a lot of the power. That's why I'm proud to be part of the "Christian underground," fighting for a return to what Christianity was supposed to be all about. Read "God's Politics" by Jim Wallis and you'll see there's more to the Xian faith than the Xian right.
Who cares? by AElfwine	Sep 24th, 2006 06:14:41 AM
While you people are whining about what some drunk celebrity said when he was arrested the state of Israel is slaughtering Palestinian childern and has been for fifty fucking years you ignorant consumer-sheep pricks
Sounds like a needed and deserved triumph for Mel! by JackPumpkinhead	Sep 24th, 2006 06:27:07 AM
Excellent. This may be the best film of the last four-or-so years. By the way, I wonder how "objectively" that so-called "Oscar committee" (snort) will look at the film, eh?
Just wondering by AElfwine	Sep 24th, 2006 06:33:44 AM
What is the timeline for when an atrocity is funny? Cause in america it is acceptable to make jokes about slavery and the indian genocide but smack talk the holocaust and watch out. So lets do the math shall we lets see civil war ended what about 140 years ago and the Indian wars ended about 125 years ago ? So I guess in another 60 years we will finally be able to make fun of the jews and their special little holocaust, which is so special among the slaughters mankind has perpetrated against one another that it gets its own name, without everybody eating out your ass. Bottom line is get over it Jews yeah a lot of you died guess what shit happens its not like your zionist brothers and sisters in Israel haven't been doing their share of wanton slaughter over the last half century. But what do I know I'm just an antisemite right and I hate all jews right. Wrong you don't know shit about me your just pissed off because I pointed out the hypocrisy that permeates all of western society. Are Jews the cause of all wars?? no Are the zionists running the state of Israel causing some wars?? yes Are Jews evil? well im sure some are but on the other hand im sure some are good. You see all these statements mean nothing they are bullshit statements which if anyone is so thin skinned that they let comments like this hurt or offend them then they need some serious mental help.
And meanwhile, back in Ankara.... by TomBodet	Sep 24th, 2006 06:50:44 AM
....our beloved NATO allied the Turks STILL claim that the 1.5M Armenians they genocided 1915-18 were just casualties of war. Isn't that cute?! Enver Pasha--you are a Talking Pile of Shite.
Your world frightens and confuses me by BannedOnTheRun	Sep 24th, 2006 06:55:33 AM
"Cause in america it is acceptable to make jokes about slavery and the indian genocide"? Yeah, my shelves are lined with volumes 1 through 20 of the "Big Book of Slavery and the Indian Genocide Jokes." Did you hear the one about the slave and the Native American? No, I didn't either. Maybe they tell those jokes over at moveon.org and that's why I missed 'em.
I HEART MELABEES 2: ELECTRIC MELALOO by BannedOnTheRun	Sep 24th, 2006 07:07:13 AM
Plus, I admire the guy for putting up the insurance money so that Robert Downey Jr. could work in film again. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad never offered to do that.
isn't it funny how we have by AElfwine	Sep 24th, 2006 07:19:10 AM
isn't it funny how we have selective memory when it comes to genocide. I have never once in any high school or college class been taught about the Indian Genocide which has indisputably been the longest and most bloody genocide that man has ever perpetrated. not fucking once my nazi american bretheren. a conservative estimate is that the empires of europe and later the american government were responsible for the death of 300 million men women and children. This was not an abnormality it was and still is the policy of western culture when dealing with aboriginal peoples. A 500 hundred year protracted genocide which i haven't been taught about once in any school in this country. I was taught about manifest destiny, though, and why it was so important to the "winning" of the west and the pioneer spirit. If this isn't facism I don't know what is. Unfortunately if you study history you will find that the "republic" in-so-much as it ever existed was dead after the civil war. Since then it has been a predictable decline. The hilarious thing is that our founding fathers predicted it would happen and warned against it. Again something I was never taught about in school. Funny how that works. I guess my liberal college profs were too busy brainwashing me to fit in a section on the American Genocide.
Two words: RAPA NUI= Load of wank. by alucardvsdracula	Sep 24th, 2006 07:23:33 AM
I've about as much interest in this fucker as I have in going to Mel's annual Jew Hater convention along with Hesbola and that mad Iranian cunt. The ONLY thing I'd be prepared to watch with Gibbo is another Mad Max film. And thats about fuckin all.
BannedOnTheRun by AElfwine	Sep 24th, 2006 07:25:18 AM
i guess you've never watched tv before my dim witted friend. o wait i forgot your american and your memory goes back all of what two weeks? sorry i forgot my bad. Ok see let me see if i can think of an example off the top of my head? ok the roast of william shatner i cant remember specifics but i distinctly remember several jokes about black people and slavery. And come on dude you've don't tell me you've never heard an "indian joke" or mabye you've never seen pre-politically correct american television and how it portrayed native americans circa 1950's, 60's, and 70's. O wait I got it the movie maverick that definately makes fun of the situation native americans found themselves in at the end of the 1800's. Hmmm mel gibson starred in that movie how ironic.
Good reviews that make you want to NOT see the movie by JohnGalt06	Sep 24th, 2006 07:30:06 AM
Way to go, Harry. You accomplished that with your intro paragraph. You also raved about that glorified snuff film PASSION OF THE CHRIST. Thinking now I'll pass on this one from MR. IHATEJEWS...
Brokebackcowboy is obviously a parody troll. by FluffyUnbound	Sep 24th, 2006 07:48:24 AM
So it's insane to compare Gibson to OJ Simpson [which the initial post on this subject actually did not do - yet more talkbackers with tiny brains who do not understand what a reductio ad absurdum is supposed to do] but you have no qualms about showing up and posting about how "the Zionists provoked Hitler"? You're exposed as a parody troll, buddy. Your name should have been a tipoff but I've still been in doubt until now.
Sorry AElfwine by BannedOnTheRun	Sep 24th, 2006 08:00:32 AM
Yes, I am a dim-witted American and was likely in grad school when that famous "william shatner roast" was on, I guess. A gaping hole in my education, certainly. I missed "Maverick" too. Anyway, I've heard your rant before, and it's tired. Take any negative in the history of mankind, feed it through the AElfwineinator 3000, and voila! Americans are the worst perpetrators of Sin X in history! The West sucks! And your solution, sir? "You're a stupid American!" Yes, but what is your plan to right the wrongs of history, oh wisened one? "You're all sheep." Granted, I'm a sheep; now what would you like to do about this global genocide? I'm sure your act is a hit over at chomskyfan.org, but perhaps you could bring a little more to the table here. See, this is a movie fanboy site and we're a little slow. Guide us, o sage.
Broderick wasn't drunk... by Batutta	Sep 24th, 2006 08:01:32 AM
...but he did kill two people when his car drifted into the wrong lane.
Not enough drama in this thread. by CreasyBear	Sep 24th, 2006 08:11:54 AM
What should I say to piss EVERYONE off, no matter their religion, race, politics, etc.? Hmm . . . oh, I got it. Michael Bay rules! (Oh, wait, it has to be something about Mel Gibson, doesn't it?)
BannedOnTheRun by AElfwine	Sep 24th, 2006 08:29:20 AM
I love the kneejerk american reation to the truth. As you pointed out this is just a movie boy fansite so it would probably be a waste of time to attempt a meaningful conversation. All I was attempting to do is illustrate the hypocrisy of our cultures reaction to different instances of genocide not attempt to educate the brainwashed likes of you. read a book you lazy ass don't come here and demand i give you all the answers. And as for america being "the worst perpetrators of Sin X in history" I don't recall ever implying that mabye you should read what people type instead of glossing over it and reacting. In my opinion america is neither better nor worse than any other nation state that has existed. It has definately killed a lot of innocent people though. But really in the grand sweep of history the nation state in general is the bloodiest system of political organization ever envisioned by mankind. Usually sane moral people when confronted with a great injustice such as the aforementioned 500 year protracted genocide don't react with statements such as yours. Usually sane moral people express at least some empathy and regret.
Cool!!! by revam	Sep 24th, 2006 08:32:27 AM
I f'ed the chopboard!
I'll watch this as a double feature and still have fun: by Monkey_King	Sep 24th, 2006 08:42:09 AM
Watch APOCALYPTO and then ROAD TO EL DORADO and see what transpires.
Damn you Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Sep 24th, 2006 09:13:34 AM
Damn you Michael Bay
So, 9/11, what are his views? by performingmonkey	Sep 24th, 2006 09:13:41 AM
I know that a lot of people believe the whole thing was orchestrated out of Israel (anything to take the blame away from Bush Snr. and Cheney, right?), although you just have to look at who had the most to gain from 9/11 happening. Personally I believe events in Germany and the final toll were...'exaggerated' but it certainly happened. Does Israel own America? The whole Lebannon things suggests they do. I'd like to hear Gibson's views on that, and then laugh at him. People only laugh out of fear of the unknown, anyhow.
So, Harold thought it was weak... by Little Beavis	Sep 24th, 2006 09:19:30 AM
Sorry, I just don't sense any cream-your-pants bad-assitude in this review... saving it for 300, I guess.
Michael Bay rules by Stollentroll	Sep 24th, 2006 09:42:54 AM
Mel Gibson doesn't hate jewish people. Ann Coulter fights the death penalty. Water is solid. The Holocaust never happened. Ben Affleck is a great actor. (to be continued)
No regrets here, ALF by BannedOnTheRun	Sep 24th, 2006 09:51:04 AM
As much as I'd like to assume guilt for all of mankind's failures throughout history, I don't see the point. Like I said earlier, your line is tired. You alone know The Truth. Sadly, you don't seem to have sufficient command of the language to get your point across in a single post. So, the nation-state is the problem. Worst. Political. System. Ever. But asking you what to do about it is equivalent to "demanding." I demand nothing; I suggest only that if you have some sort of practical insight, by all means, share it. Don't alienate the unenlightened sheep among us; we need you. I patiently await the radiance of your wisdom.
Like Mel cares... by alienindisguise	Sep 24th, 2006 09:58:23 AM
what people think of his personal life. The man owns his own island and is one of the best directors working today and will always have the clout to make any movie he wants when he wants and they'll never be hollywood tripe, hopefully.
yes the man fucked up by mikey mike	Sep 24th, 2006 10:03:24 AM
and yes what he said was digusting and hateful, but he did fuck up and I hope people can learn to slowly forgive him. I for one can't wait to see this
I dont even know why I bring this up by Cotton McKnight	Sep 24th, 2006 10:09:50 AM
One of my best friends is jewish, and I know for a fact that they give preferential treatment to one of their own. He says it's because they have to look out for each other, because they have been persecuted. You have to wonder if it's the chicken or the egg, though.
And besides that, Jews are morons. by Cotton McKnight	Sep 24th, 2006 10:14:03 AM
There, I said it. The ones in this country are idiots for backing democrats, who back policy that is definitely anti-Israel. Can someone please explain to me why they do that?
Mel Gibson one of the best directors? by rbatty024	Sep 24th, 2006 10:14:59 AM
I think Mel is a charasmatic actor. He's not Marlon Brando, but he's got something that translates well onto the screen. His directorial efforts, however, are overwraught hackfests. Braveheart might have been all right if it wasn't complete fiction masquerading as historical fact. The Passion was absolutely awful, with no insight or anything new to say. Style over substance in the worst possible way (and the style wasn't even that good). As a director I will give Gibson points for having the guts to bring risky projects to the screen, but unfortunately he does not have the talent to follow up with a quality film. If Mel wasn't attached then I might actually be interested in seeing Apocalypto.
The Germans "did what they could "? by Stollentroll	Sep 24th, 2006 10:40:03 AM
brokebackcowboy, either you are a comic genius...or the greatest retard that ever posted on the tbs.
Ya know, Mayans are responsible for all the wars... by Zeke25:17	Sep 24th, 2006 10:48:11 AM
That's what I heard, anyway. My guess is the movie will be good; Mel learned his lesson; and someone else will come out with an alcohol-or-drug-influenced stupid statement sooner than later, upsetting a large group of people, and inspiring a collective yawn from those of us who have to be concerned with something a bit more important in our daily lives.
Brokeback by Rebeck	Sep 24th, 2006 10:59:59 AM
I guess you're a "child-molesting rabbi" then because my people come from Sicily and I was raised Roman Catholic. (I've strayed, mind you...and rather proud of that) And we know how big a problem child molesting has been among rabbis, oh yeah. Unlike those cub scout-loving repressed wackozoids who flock to the Catholic church to hide/hide from their sexual urges. Fucking pathetic. To zacdilone...I appreciate what you're saying and I'm glad to hear there are still REAL Christians out there. Just like the Muslims need to stand up against their radical wing, the Christians have to start to do the same cuz it's getting out of control.
"I love that Mel is so on the ropes now" by Mister Snitch	Sep 24th, 2006 11:17:57 AM
Yeah, we know. It makes you feel so much better about yourself, doesn't it? Had you said something like, "I am concerned about Mel's failings as a person", that might be a different story. But you didn't. Instead, you gave yourself away. You're just another clownboy who needs someone to fail, because your own life - well, it's not as if anyone could be bothered to comment about your own life, is it? When are YOUR movies coming out, asswipes? We'll review them here. But don't worry, no one's going to lose any sleep waiting to rate your achievements.
I love this movie like Jews love money. by 3 Bag Enema	Sep 24th, 2006 11:28:38 AM
But I kid Mel, the drunken scum.
Chicken Fight by SnakesOnABicycle	Sep 24th, 2006 11:35:59 AM
I want to see Ahhhnold and his dad, vs Mel and his dad, in a kiddie pool. Whoever gets to be on top is your imagination's call.
AElfwine by scrivener	Sep 24th, 2006 11:40:36 AM
That makes me sad, not angry. When someone makes a joke at my expense or at my people's expense, I just shake my head and say, without any hint of anger, "That's just pathetic." When people get angry and start spouting their own brand of hate in the name of self defense, noone is served.
what... no aliens? by JimmyJoe RedSky	Sep 24th, 2006 11:52:32 AM
i like gibson - as a director/actor - he is talemted in those departments - if what we all heard about him is true, and it appears so, then that is really sad - too bad, you'd think someone in his positon would be more enlightened - i like charlton heston too - he's been in a lot of movies i love - but he is, in real life, a bit of a wacko god fearing gun loving bad-wig-wearing conservative - i can however seperate the artist's art from his personal/private beliefs/practices - ill be doing that with mel too now - i was hoping this "apocalypto" would touch on the theorized visits the mayans had from aliens, as mentioned in "chariots of the gods"
you gotta love bigdickmcgee by Windowlicker74	Sep 24th, 2006 11:56:32 AM
jabbering and yelling with a red face lol" A smelly piece of turd. Do you know that you're a piece of shit? Are you aware of it?" hahaa you gotta love this troll
brokebackcowboy by Mr. Nice Gaius	Sep 24th, 2006 11:59:34 AM
Quote: "Did you know Germans took great risks upon themselves to save Jews from persecution? You should be grateful they did what they could under the circumstances." -- Ummm, that may be brokeback. But the majority did not do nearly enough.
And brokeback... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Sep 24th, 2006 12:01:27 PM
I find your use of the "Yeshua" (the proper Hebrew name for Jesus) to be hysterical. Sometimes, you can be a real piece of work.
About the Mel Gibson incident by asantiago72	Sep 24th, 2006 12:04:38 PM
There is nothing to suggest that blind evolutionary pressures could "conspire" to make some ethnic group "better" than others, so I don't only despise racism (or other forms of prejudice) on ethical grounds, but also because of the fact that people who support it are scientifically illiterate and certifyable fools. That said, people jump on bandwagons too easily, specially when it relates to celebrities. So, as far as I am concerned, I haven't seen anything in Mel Gibson's past behaviour that is enough to suggest that he is a true racist, rather than some spoiled brat who acts particularly badly when he is drunk (Gee, I have never met somebody like that before). So, in my opinion, he has already said that he is sorry, and as long as he continues to make good movies and try to behave better in the future, I am ready to move past that incident.
People shouldn't see this film by Chief Redcock	Sep 24th, 2006 12:09:04 PM
Gibson the anti-semite and loon does not deserve their money
cotton mcknight... as to your question... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Sep 24th, 2006 12:28:03 PM
as i see it - the modern/current state of israel as a "nation" - is basically a militarized offshoot/arm of the united states (israel is full of american citizens and their military is funded and armed by u.s. federal dollars) - and as such will excercize any and all u.s. policy no matter how counterproductive such policies may be - for example - avoiding any serious peace talks with palestine (the "badguys") and knowingly targeting lebanese (muslim)civilians and non-military structures (like museums, power plants and water treatment plants) during this latest miltary action - and yet hezbollah is still there unscathed - i guess its easier to bomb a country back to the stone age than it is to ferret out and target a terrorist group like hezbollah - people forget that lebanon is a democracy too with citizens that are (one would think) free to vote how they please - but if any vote the "wrong" way they better watch their ass... this might be the reason why some dems back policy that might appear anti-israel - in fact its pro-diplomactic - one step in the right dirction might be having the u.s. - i mean - israeli army stop kidnapping civilians in the gaza strip - theres supposed to be a big difference between a national army crossing a border to kidnap civilians and a terrorist group kidnapping soldiers during a conflict - but in the bush/cheney-era i guess there isnt
WHY DOES MY "MAMA KILL ANIMALS"??? by Shermdawg	Sep 24th, 2006 12:30:04 PM
What's up with those banners? Is it because I've got the 'ol adblocker turned on? If so, yes she kills them. Kills them by the truckloads.
Flames on Gibson = Holocaust denial by performingmonkey	Sep 24th, 2006 12:37:58 PM
You said it, brother.
brokebackcowboy... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Sep 24th, 2006 12:38:21 PM
ive read all your posts, and you seem informed - they are however celverly veiled - are you actually insinuating that the real bad guys in nazi germany were jews that sold out other jews - im no expert, but the jews werent in power back then and they werent building any death and labor camps - they didnt create the enviornment and climate that brought the thied reich to power - it was the work of selfish politicians that fed the fear and insecurites of the poor (nonjewish) working class - they needed a villain in order to rally the huddled masses - they picked the easiest time tested target - jews - they painted them as the reason for everything wrong with germany (and the world) - and the people bought it - you are just blaming the victim by pointing the finger at the jews that sold out their own kind in any such enviornment your going to have certain members of the targeted party outing their neighbors just to survive - they were wrong for doing so but they werent the root of the problem
the only real reason we invaded iraq... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Sep 24th, 2006 12:43:31 PM
and its a cliche alreay - is because that specific region sits on 60 percent of the worlds dwindling oil supply - and we(u.s.) want either direct control over that sweet oil or control through a puppet govt. - end of story
I disagree by Cotton McKnight	Sep 24th, 2006 12:53:46 PM
I think the reason Iraq was invaded was a reverse domino theory- that is, if they could set up a stable democracy in one of those countries, the other dictatorships/theocracies/what ever would fall apart. ESPECIALLY Iran, who always seems to be on the brink of revolution anyway. I think it was a bad decision, in retrospect, and it certainly didn't go the way anyone intended. The trouble now is, what do we do about it? The democrats for their part aren't coming up with any viable solutions. We are just going to have to see this thing through until and do the best we can. It sucks though because there are real hotspots in the world where our resources are needed.
Brokeback is FAR more anti-semitic than Gibson ever was by anchorite	Sep 24th, 2006 01:12:12 PM
That guy scares the shite out of me. I am pretty sure he has a copy of Mein Kampf under his pillow that he sleeps with. It helps him get a good night's sleep to know that there are millions of people across the world that are doing their dead level best to keep the Jews from their machinations for global domination.
WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! by shanti	Sep 24th, 2006 01:13:42 PM
WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!! WOOOT!!!!
Leia as Boushh banner by shanti	Sep 24th, 2006 01:20:10 PM
That's cute. I love it!
hey bigdickmcgee... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Sep 24th, 2006 01:23:59 PM
you know who else will be around 5000 yrs from now? - radical evangelical christians - thats the group that scares me the most
bannedontherun by AElfwine	Sep 24th, 2006 01:27:53 PM
Again you exhibit your callousness to the death of millions. Are you that brainwashed that you can't bring yourself to admit that your own country was part of the worst genocide in recorded history. Are you debating this fact? So far you haven't; so I can only assume that you accept the fact it happened have no problem with it as your only response has been to demand me to give you answers about what i think should be done about it. Which in and of itself is a ludicris request and is indicative of someone suffering from a pshycosis. characterized by your inability to feel empathy at the suffering of others and your apparent inability to understand the simple principal of causality. Its a little late for me to come up with any answers on how to help the Native Cultures that our forefathers obliterated. As you should already know Native American culture has been dead for over one hundred years and the next two hundred years will see the final destruction of the Native races as they are bred out of existence. To be quite honest I don't have an answer about what to do to help a culture and people who have been dead for over a hundred years. As I said the question is ludicris and absurd by its very nature and belies your complete and utter intellectual bankruptcy. As you have now illustrated that you are unable to understand simple concepts I will no longer respond to your pointless posts. If you wish to debate the fact of the Genocide then i will oblige. Otherwise piss off facist.
Scribner by AElfwine	Sep 24th, 2006 01:34:59 PM
"That makes me sad, not angry. When someone makes a joke at my expense or at my people's expense, I just shake my head and say, without any hint of anger, "That's just pathetic." When people get angry and start spouting their own brand of hate in the name of self defense, noone is served." I totally agree. Although racists do make me angry I am just being honest. As I am an anglo-saxxon I have never experienced racism directed at me so I honestly cant comment on how it would make me feel if the comments were personally directed at me.
harry needs to take an english class by Bob C. Cock	Sep 24th, 2006 01:35:44 PM
i can't read his reviews anymore. it actually hurts my feelings.
brokebackcowboy... by JimmyJoe RedSky	Sep 24th, 2006 01:39:38 PM
whatever - the bottom line is, if there wasnt any oil in that region - specifically right under it - we wouldnt be there or have such an invested interest - bush as prez was the perfect convergence of big-oil and jesus - its no secret that the reason bush has had 2 terms is because the bible thumpers play hard and dirty - they got him there and kept him there - the bush administration's rhetoric and policies (except for the international diplomatic kind, there are none) play to the fears of christians (all varieties) and thats why things are even more messed up today - believe what you want, but "agents" of the republican party rigged the last election and prevented over 350,000 voters in ohio from casting or being counted - kerry had it - exit polls dont lie - theyre never wrong (esp. by a mysterious unforseeable landslide) - and yet last election the exit polls were so utterly and completely wrong at last count - no ones that lucky
I love how almost all the talkbackers feel the need by CreasyBear	Sep 24th, 2006 01:47:05 PM
for the "by the way, I'm an atheist" disclaimer. I mean, I have no doubt that it's true, but it seems to be a defensive maneuver to ensure other talkbackers won't go for a cheap-shot by generalizing the tb'er with the worst aspects of the particular religion. (Oh, and by the way, I'm a total atheist, which is my invisible force-field against religious criticism.)
The US was already planning some form of by Novaman5000	Sep 24th, 2006 01:51:56 PM
Military action in Iraq BEFORE 9/11. 9/11 just ended up giving them a really convenient "in".
People shouldn't see this Film... by DrFarben	Sep 24th, 2006 01:57:37 PM
if it turns out to be shit. OK, Gibson obviously has some serious anti-Semite issues he needs to to something about and he's a nutty xian, but still he's no Leni Riefenstahl or, worse, Veit Harlan; I'll try to judge Apocalyto on it's own merits - or deficiencies. BTW, no such thing as a "historical Jesus" or Yeshua(wtf?) http://tinyurl.co.uk/bbxj
Let's just bash everybody.... by Johnno	Sep 24th, 2006 02:02:05 PM
I can see how Mel can be pissed at Jews within this time of events since all the slack given to him about the Passion, shit I was pretty pissed off myself that Jews continue to stereotype Christians as Jew haters at every given opportunity. Thanks a lot fellas... While Gibson's comment about them being responsible for every war on the planet is way out of line, quite possibly drunken hyperbole, some of you act like it's way out of line to even criticize Jews sometimes... Shit, I spend most of my time studying my own religion and the great sum of it is spent defending Jewish beliefs because they are foundational to mine. If you ever read that thing called 'The Bible' or 'The Torah' you'll often find God Himself criticizing His chosen people for being whiny and sinful most of the time. Whenever prophets arose trying to correct them, many of their own people attacked them. It's a turbulent set of affairs. Frankly, it occurs in every culture. In our age of political correctness and all that zero tolerence and self esteem shit, when issues are brought up everyone gets their panties in a twist... and the funny thing is the majority that is so asininely vocal aren't even aware of the intricacies of history, environments and other factors that are involved, everything is just black and white. The truth about the world today is that we jsut want to run and hide from all our problems and fiercely oppose anyone who dares disturb that balance and aren't strong enough to admit all our faults and get together and honestly tackle all the shit we're carrying around within us. It could shake us to our very cores...
btw by Johnno	Sep 24th, 2006 02:02:58 PM
The movie looks wholly original and awesome, and I'll definately be checking it out. When does this thing release?
I don't care if it's the next Citizen Kane by Cutter20	Sep 24th, 2006 02:07:49 PM
There is no way I am going to pay a dime to see this movie. Who wants to give that anti-Semitic has-been more money?
ALFwhine by BannedOnTheRun	Sep 24th, 2006 02:17:20 PM
Surely you work for the FBI as a psychological profiler. Yes, it is here, on the aintitcoolnews message boards, in an Apocalypto talkback, where I have chosen to bare my sole and confess my peace with genocide and callousness toward all of Earth's native peoples. I shall forever suffer in the agony of your absence, now having seen the glory of your light but knowing that the gift was but a passing ray of light into the fetid cave of ignorance I share with my fellow consumer-sheep pricks. Hence, into blindness once again. Baaaaa-aa.
Well, well, well. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Sep 24th, 2006 03:35:27 PM
I guess brokebackcowboy got himself banned, eh? Anybody know what he said/did?
YES! by PCH Boy	Sep 24th, 2006 03:45:45 PM
US, my country, control that sweet, sweet oil...better us than a bunch o' numbnut ragheads...
please learn to spell the following: by thebearovingian	Sep 24th, 2006 03:59:52 PM
"anti-Semitic", "AICN", "Perpetuate", "Christian" (you fuckers already took "Christ" out of "Christmas" so end it already), "Apocalypto" To those who think fundamentalist Christians are more of a threat than Islamic terrorists (or any kind of terrorist for that matter): Are you actually serious? How can you possibly rationalize that? You must have an extremely long list of phobias. Don't fear us, my child. Harry, it's "awoken" not "woken". This is positive criticism. We all only want to see your language skills improve.
God Bless Mel Gibson.... by Dr_Ian_Malcolm	Sep 24th, 2006 04:20:14 PM
You've had one hell of a career so far... Keep up the good work, Mr. Gibson... You put the "A" in "A-Lister"...
Neil, my poor, naive friend... by 'Cholera's Ghost	Sep 24th, 2006 05:07:11 PM
I quoth: "I've seen some dumb things said on these Talkbacks, but dumber than 'The Jews are responsible for all the war in the world.'? I don't think so." First off, I see your point. That's pretty fucking dumb, sure. But have stupider things been said by Talkbackers? Bet your ass on that.
Looking forward to seeing Apocalypto by Mr Brownstone	Sep 24th, 2006 05:43:46 PM
Looks to be a fantastic film. Mel is great. Mel is all powerful.
PCH Boy by Mr Brownstone	Sep 24th, 2006 05:46:40 PM
I suppose you'll be joining the Marines so you can help take control of that sweet crude right? Hope you get back alive and maybe you'll get a discount at the pump.
blankgeneration, just to be fair.. by Windowlicker74	Sep 24th, 2006 06:33:35 PM
You don't have to go all the way back to the old testament to check out some atrocities caused by Jews, you could also just watch the news for the past 50 years or so.
BlankGeneration, you can't call it 'genocide...' by Johnno	Sep 24th, 2006 06:41:53 PM
For one, Genocide involves the deliberate extermination of all people of a particular culture/race etc. The Jews were ordered only to kill those who remained within the city after countless warnings (circling the city) that they would attack. Those who fled the city to another land or joined the Hebrews were spared. Those Canaanites who remained in the city expecting their child sacrifice demanding god Molech or whatever to give them victory over Yahweh and fight the Hebrews were annihiliated. They did not bother to exterminate every last Canaanite, what they wanted was the land. And if the Hebrews themselves began acting like the Canaanites and sinned, they too would get their asses handed to them and be thrown out of their land, which is prtecisely what happened, but after a significant amount of time in exile, they'd get it back, which was waht also happened, more or less peacefully until the time the Messiah would be born (which is where Christianity comes in). Those sorts of rules for warfare etc. were outlined since Moses was leading them.
as a jew, i dunno. by occula	Sep 24th, 2006 06:48:43 PM
every single catholic i've ever met has been fucked up in some way. my own husband, who isn't catholic but was forced to go to catholic school for 15 years, is fucked up because of it. some catholics are proud of being fucked up, some aren't. bottom line: mel is most certainly fucked up at some level. he has 7 children but he snorted coke and cheated assiduously on his wife for many years (so i guess making a racist comment is WAY worse than damaging your wife and children's lives?). and yet, like many artists, he continues to create films that resonate with people, or characters, or stories. i have to say i was smiling with pleasure after reading this review. not only was the jew topic avoided (coz it was unecessary and irrelevant), but harry's sex life was also absent. a pure, simple, thoughtful review of an interesting-looking project that definitely deviates from the upcoming onslaught of jessica simpson films and bloated dramas with dudes in bow ties, yelling. come on, guys. tell the truth. you were annoyed for about 2 minutes with mel's shenanigans and then you remembered that a)innocent iraqis were being slaughtered b)hurricane victims were still living in cardboard boxes and c)you liked braveheart. get over it.
oh yeah, i forgot by occula	Sep 24th, 2006 07:17:56 PM
innocent americans are slaughtered too. and some innocent afghanis, some innocent canadians and probably a few innocent folk from the isle of man. point of my mini-tirade is, i have no real point. i just really liked braveheart.
I hate when great artists are a$$holes by Larry of Arabia	Sep 24th, 2006 07:32:30 PM
His work is becoming visionary and he's going to become a one of the great filmmakers. He's just comes across as such a shithead. Tom Cruise, hell he's amusing and it's going to suck if he gets more public heat than Mel Gibstien does. I'm going to find it hard to support the movie.
watch this as a triple feature! by Exeter	Sep 24th, 2006 07:50:44 PM
apocalypto, road to el dorado, then ride the montezuma's revenge ride at six flags!
thebearovingian by zacdilone	Sep 24th, 2006 09:06:37 PM
Just to recap..."Xian" is not a Christ-less abbreviation. The "X" stands for the Greek letter, "Chi," which is the first letter of "Christ." It's an abbreviation Christians have been using for hundreds of years...long before "Xmas" became a politically-correct way of spelling the holiday.
Hard to support the movie? by half vader	Sep 24th, 2006 09:21:51 PM
Why? Hard to support the man, sure, but just because Mel's an idiot doesn't suddenly make the camerawork inept, the direction juvenile, pacing sloppy and storytelling confusing. Without bringing Triumph of the Will into it ('cause that really does mix the medium with the message), You can't say that Leni Riefenstahl was a lousy photographer, for example (Passion is a weird one because if there's this anti-Jewish director why is he making a film that's ostensibly a love-letter to a Jew?). There are plenty of musicians out there who are complete arseholes, but you should be able to divorce the work from the personality unless it's inherently autobiographical. Anyway my point is don't be afraid to sing the film's praises if it's great. There's nothing to stop you gossiping about the crazy director afterwards. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Sounds really cool!!!! by shanti	Sep 24th, 2006 09:28:01 PM
Yeah! :) Haha!
FEARLESS by antonphd	Sep 24th, 2006 09:51:47 PM
I saw this today. It was fantastic. Where the hell is the write up for it on AICN? This film deserves some hype and word of mouth support. Where is it?
you sound like idiots by slone13	Sep 24th, 2006 09:56:52 PM
Why do you any of you really care what Mel Gibson said when he was drunk? Or sober? How does that effect the quality of Apocolypto? Oh, right, it doesn't. At all.
but what is the "chi" without the "rho"?? by thebearovingian	Sep 24th, 2006 09:58:31 PM
I don't know how to get the Greek letter for "rho" to show up on here. So I would personally appreciate all the Christmas haters to no longer use the "Xmas" abbreviation but instead use the "PXmas" abbreviation. You know, the PX symbol that Constantine put on his flags and shields. The P is above the X and the stem of the P intersects the X lengthwise. JUST DO IT, INTOLERATERS! And while you're at it...LAUS DEO!
Matt Drudge ripping on you Harry by AlwaysThere	Sep 24th, 2006 10:14:46 PM
Brought up how you gushed over King Kong which turned out to be piece of crap and not the second coming of Christ.
So have the Evangelicals apologized to the Jews yet? by CISCO Bunny	Sep 24th, 2006 10:18:14 PM
The Evangelicals spent a year praising "The Passion," denying that neither the film nor Gibson were anti-Jewish. Now it has been proven incontrevertably that the Passion was an anti-Semitic film. Have those who championed it apologized to the Jewish community?
im confused what does this have to do with Transformers by s0nicdeathmonkey	Sep 24th, 2006 10:23:48 PM
huh? isnt this the offical michael bay fan club?
primative by Colonel Kane	Sep 24th, 2006 10:28:45 PM
that's all
um...blank generation by s0nicdeathmonkey	Sep 24th, 2006 10:31:50 PM
youre aware that using your bible for proof is like using a snorkle in outer space, it might seem like it's better than nothing, but it really isnt.
The score for this movie... by Colonel Kane	Sep 24th, 2006 10:34:43 PM
should be the new Mastodon cd, "Blood Mountain." Holy fuck. I don't even like metal, but this shit will blow you away.
also, you wanna talk about genocide by s0nicdeathmonkey	Sep 24th, 2006 10:38:50 PM
Look at what America did to the natives here. Up to 10 million TOTALLY annihilated. And furthermore, your example is flawed. You use the bible as "proof" then mock the concept of divine intervention. Which is it buddy? Your rhetoric is inconsistent. Also, fighting over land is not the same thing as genocide. Your use of equivocation is both a logical fallacy and a poor use of it too.
csico bunny is fucking funny by Windowlicker74	Sep 24th, 2006 11:53:17 PM
maybe you should just take those apologies and stick 'em somewhere. I mean are you serious? you guys really love to receive apologies, next thing you know you gonna ask for wiedergutmachung..
Trik by antonphd	Sep 25th, 2006 01:45:32 AM
you me the same way harrison ford talks about indie jones every fucking time one of his movies come out

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