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goth = into creepy supernatural stuff by oisin5199	Sep 11th, 2006 07:21:58 PM
well, that's one stereotype (just ask Damien Echols). Very few of the goths I knew were into that. Some of them were downright sunny. I think a lot of the goth thing has to do with a certain fantasy quotient. Like dressing up as characters, sometimes to just place themselves outside mainstream expectations. Some of those characters were dark (Victorian vampire or something) but many weren't. My guess is that goths are more theatrical than emos. I still can't put my finger on what it means for music though. Is it a retro thing?
Vampire: the Masquerade and Morrisey, eh? by Massage...Bored	Sep 11th, 2006 10:37:44 PM
Sounds like my old roommate. This movie reminds me of some really awful short storie/poetry he used to ask me to critique for him. Shudder
LOL by Evil Chicken	Sep 12th, 2006 06:05:40 AM
Massa – the thought of you laughing like De Niro from ‘Cape Fear’ at this flick brings a smile to this ugly mug of mine. The Goth thing has become a tired, writer’s convenience.
Only problem I have with emo kids... by Zarles	Sep 12th, 2006 07:32:55 AM
...is that they can never seem to push down hard enough on the razorblade pressed against their wrists. C'mon, kiddies! Reach for the sky!
Zarles: Be all you can be! by brycemonkey	Sep 12th, 2006 08:28:56 AM
Yeah, too busy crying over non-issues. They should get some real problems. Good call anchorite, Eyore = Emo. Also for the teacher above see Dead Poets Society. That is like a recruitment video for Emo. The kid who kills himself because he can't be in the school play = King Emo.
emo quasi-defined by daylightsaver	Sep 12th, 2006 09:12:06 AM
Histories of subcultures always seem difficult to pinpoint accurately but it seems as though Emo (short for emotional hardcore) began as an offshoot of washington dc hardcore punk around the summer of 1985. This summer was often known as the revolution summer to those involved. several of the more intellectual and politically motivated members of the DC hardcore scene recognized that their shows were being taken over by violent skinheads. As a solution, they all quit their bands and started making slower, more melodic, emotionally charged hardcore bereft of breakdowns and mosh parts that skinheads loved to get violent too. The skinheads hated it and left. However, the new style of hardcore favoring more nuanced song writing, personal takes on socio-political issues as well as actually using non-distorted guitar parts and shifting rapidly from quiet to loud quickly spread across the country and developed over the course of the late 80's and early 90's. Emo scenes, or pockets of intense creativity sprouted up in san diego, champlaign (sp?), seattle, harrisonburg, virginia, and philadelphia to name a few. Bands followed a do it yourself ethic, designing and recording LPs instead of CDs which they could effectively and cheaply produce themselves.
emo quasi-defined cont. by daylightsaver	Sep 12th, 2006 09:24:07 AM
the fashion actually had very little to do with goth. Many emo kids in the early days were vegetarian, straight-edge but quite consrevatively dressed in button down shirts, khakis, creeper shoes and with sort of bowl-cut or romulon haircuts. As the scene grew the sound evolved and in the late 90's bands like get-up kids and the promise ring started selling gold records with their dedidely more pop-influenced sound. However it was not until recently that the sort of goth image and decidedly unpolitical wave of emo thrust the genre into mass-consciousness, distancing itself so far from its do-it-yourself origins that very few people involved in the scene comtemporarily have any clue about its history. if you are interested some of watermarks of the genre listed chronologically are... rites of spring, embrace, antioch arrow, clikitat ikatowi, frail, policy of three, sunny day real estate, get up kids, braid, at the drive in. i welcome any other input.
Massawyrm by PwnedByStallone	Sep 12th, 2006 12:40:32 PM
I think with this review I have finally forgiven you for the "Ant Bully" communist manifesto garbage. This review is an AICN classic for the ages!
oh dear god.... by Datascream	Sep 12th, 2006 01:01:17 PM
my friend wants to see this tonight. I need to find something else to watch instead. I'd watch the Protector if I hadn't already seen it. Maybe I can push in Hollywood Land instead. Anything's better then this. Ugh...
daylight saver by oisin5199	Sep 12th, 2006 04:02:21 PM
thanks for this history - that's what I was looking for. I was pretty sure that the whole goth conflation was off the mark. Some of the stuff you talk about in DC reminds me of an old college buddy, Ted Leo - and how he went from hardcore in the DC scene to a more nuanced pop sound with Chisel and now with the Pharmacists, but I don't think he'd be considered emo. He always used to be a straight-edge skinhead back in the late 80s, early 90s.
oisin-emo by daylightsaver	Sep 13th, 2006 01:28:47 AM
i am glad i could help. i have never posted on this site in years of reading it but i have a soft spot for old emo so i decided to break my cherry. not really sure what that dude thought was funny about what i said but i guess its easy to devalue things one has no connection to...although that is a pretty funny position to take on a website where people are really excited about pictures of transformers. as for ted leo... i saw chisel open for an emo band called jihad in '94. i think he is awesome. while technically not fitting in the arbitrary definitions of what the "objective" understanding of emo is, he is totally do it yourself, a great musician, and from what i hear a wonderful guy. cheers.
Thank you Massawyrm!! by ubersnarf	Sep 23rd, 2006 03:19:40 PM
Most reviewers went into this with a preconceived notion that the target audience is teenage females, teenage females have 'no taste' (as opposed to different taste from middle aged male movie reviewers), and therefore, nothing about the movie should be appreciated. BUT Massawyrm, you came through in a big way. Not sure how you managed to last until the barn scene without heckling this movie (we started from scene one), but the fact that you are willing to give it props for being hilarious (it is, oohhhhh it is) makes me happy. This movie is truly Showgirls for man lovers (straight females and gay males). It's so bad it's truly ingenius. And yes, the locker room scene is pretty much the most amazing thing you will ever see if you like the male flesh. Most male directors will show a locker room scene thus: a bunch of guys, not looking at each other, all dressed in towels except for one extra they paid to show off his ass. Not for Renny Harlin. Nuh-uh. Manflesh is everywhere, and these guys are all just totally desensitized to the massive amounts of manflesh everywhere, and the camera actually shows you all of it. Never seen anything like it. And lest you straight males be too threatened, there are plenty of gratuitous ass shots of the girls (clothed, but still, I mean, these are just random cutaways to ass where there is no reason whatsoever, total genius). As Comedian X said, this IS what SOAP should have been. Almost all the actors are invested in the world of the movie (good, we need this to be able to mock that world) but ONE actor, the bad guy (how perfect!) totally gets how ridiculous it is to call someone his Wi-otch. And he winks his way to the finale (which is good, because compared to the four sons, he is totally not hot, so he needed something going on). So basically, he acts as the breaker of the fourth wall, allowing us to have someone in the movie to share our snickerings with. Awesome recipe for a good bad movie. Really, shockingly, awesome. Can't wait to mock it again!
Thank you, Massawyrm! by ubersnarf	Sep 23rd, 2006 03:21:07 PM
Most reviewers went into this with a preconceived notion that the target audience is teenage females, teenage females have 'no taste' (as opposed to different taste from middle aged male movie reviewers), and therefore, nothing about the movie should be appreciated. BUT Massawyrm, you came through in a big way. Not sure how you managed to last until the barn scene without heckling this movie (we started from scene one), but the fact that you are willing to give it props for being hilarious (it is, oohhhhh it is) makes me happy. This movie is truly Showgirls for man lovers (straight females and gay males). It's so bad it's truly ingenius. And yes, the locker room scene is pretty much the most amazing thing you will ever see if you like the male flesh. Most male directors will show a locker room scene thus: a bunch of guys, not looking at each other, all dressed in towels except for one extra they paid to show off his ass. Not for Renny Harlin. Nuh-uh. Manflesh is everywhere, and these guys are all just totally desensitized to the massive amounts of manflesh everywhere, and the camera actually shows you all of it. Never seen anything like it. And lest you straight males be too threatened, there are plenty of gratuitous ass shots of the girls (clothed, but still, I mean, these are just random cutaways to ass where there is no reason whatsoever, total genius). As Comedian X said, this IS what SOAP should have been. Almost all the actors are invested in the world of the movie (good, we need this to be able to mock that world) but ONE actor, the bad guy (how perfect!) totally gets how ridiculous it is to call someone his Wi-otch. And he winks his way to the finale (which is good, because compared to the four sons, he is totally not hot, so he needed something going on). So basically, he acts as the breaker of the fourth wall, allowing us to have someone in the movie to share our snickerings with. Awesome recipe for a good bad movie. Really, shockingly, awesome. Can't wait to mock it again!
Thank you Massawyrm by ubersnarf	Sep 23rd, 2006 03:25:34 PM
Most reviewers went into this with a preconceived notion that the target audience is teenage females, teenage females have 'no taste' (as opposed to different taste from middle aged male movie reviewers), and therefore, nothing about the movie should be appreciated. BUT you came through in a big way. Not sure how you managed to last until the barn scene without heckling this movie (we started from scene one), but the fact that you are willing to give it props for being hilarious (it is, oohhhhh it is) makes me happy. This movie is truly Showgirls for man lovers (straight females and gay males). The locker room scene is amazing. Most male directors have a bunch of guys, not looking at each other, all dressed in towels except for one extra they paid to show his ass. Not Renny Harlin. Manflesh is everywhere, and these guys are all just totally desensitized to it, and the camera actually shows you all of it. And lest you straight males be too threatened, there are plenty of gratuitous ass shots of the girls (clothed, but still, random cutaways to ass where there is no reason whatsoever, total genius). As Comedian X said, this IS what SOAP should have been. Almost all the actors are invested in the world of the movie (we need this to be able to mock that world) but ONE actor, the bad guy, totally gets how ridiculous it is to call someone his Wi-otch. And he winks his way to the finale (which is good, because compared to the four sons, he's ugly, so he needed something). So he acts as the breaker of the fourth wall, allowing us to have someone in the movie to share our snickerings with. Awesome recipe for a good bad movie. Can't wait to mock it again!
Thank you Massawyrm by ubersnarf	Sep 23rd, 2006 03:27:36 PM
Most reviewers went into this with a preconceived notion that the target audience is teenage females, teenage females have 'no taste' (as opposed to different taste from middle aged male movie reviewers), and therefore, nothing about the movie should be appreciated. BUT you came through in a big way. Not sure how you managed to last until the barn scene without heckling this movie (we started from scene one), but the fact that you are willing to give it props for being hilarious (it is, oohhhhh it is) makes me happy.

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