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What is this about MGM wanting to make THE HOBBIT with Peter Jackson?

Peter always wanted to make it by performingmonkey	Sep 11th, 2006 08:54:44 PM
He wanted to make The Hobbit first, BEFORE the LOTR trilogy, but due to the rights he had to let it go and do LOTR. Personally I'm glad it's happened the other way round because Fellowship of the Ring is the best story of them all and gave PJ the chance to do amazing things, whereas if he'd done the Hobbit first it would have received less attention IMO.
Hmmmm. Is that you Orson 9 deuce? by elanor	Sep 11th, 2006 09:45:53 PM
sure smells like. I see you have not given up your old wrong-headed bitterness. PJ's Hobbit will rock (if it ever gets made) with or without romance, and women will flock to it in droves. Haven't you learned anything? Women love stories about courageous little guys getting in over their heads and finding a way through. I sure hope it happens, with as much of the "original" cast as makes sense. Hmm, maybe Viggo will play Beorn in a big bear suit. LOL! Hello ttbers!
What The Narrowminded Fail To Grasp by MarkoOhNo	Sep 11th, 2006 10:12:49 PM
Is that there are as many female geeks as there are male. At least. They just aren't as upfront about it as men; women are far more cruel toward one another over such things. As such, it often seems as though they're a rarity. I should also point out that not all geeks have horn-rimmed glasses & suspenders. lol
Al Pacino As Smaug? by MarkoOhNo	Sep 11th, 2006 10:18:26 PM
"Say 'ello to my leetle teeth!" lol He certainly could do the furious side of the dragon well. Robert DeNiro? "You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me, thief?" That'd be odd. But for some reason I can imagine him saying the word "thief" and having it come out of a dragon's mouth.... lol
yeah but by Bibliographer	Sep 11th, 2006 11:47:44 PM
cool as this would be, will McKellen & Hom be young enough to play the roles by the time Jackson fits it into his calendar?
Haters by PorkChopXpress	Sep 12th, 2006 12:10:02 AM
I love how ready people were to tear down Peter Jackson with his rendition of King Kong. You say you got a major success under your belt? Prepare for the talkbackers to start hating on your next project. Bunch of sheep. King Kong wasn't awesome...but it was definitely good, even if it was a little topheavy. He makes the LOTR trilogy ALL AT ONCE and now, because you didn't like Kong, suddenly he's lost his skill as a director and couldn't possibly do The Hobbit justice? Morons.
the thing is... by slappy jones	Sep 12th, 2006 12:28:57 AM
a lot of people did like kong...it made 550 million at the box office, sold a shitload of dvds and was generally recieved well by the critics...the only reason people claim it was a "failure" is because it didn't make as much as LOTR. when a film is a failure due to only making half a billion dollars we are living is ridciulous times...the hate for jackson is really only on the internet...and really only super strong on this site...mind you hate is all you ever seem to see here...and if snakes on a plane taught us anything it is that internet opinions really do not in anyway reflect the views outside of computerworld.....if he does the hobbit it will make a fucking fortune....
MarkoOhNo by antonphd	Sep 12th, 2006 02:11:59 AM
I used to work in a book store and there are FAR more women that read fantasy than guys. And has anyone ever heard of that little book series called Harry Potter? Those kids are teenagers now and they grew up on fantasy. The Hobbit will be a license to print money.
We all know who has to voice Smaug by antonphd	Sep 12th, 2006 02:16:24 AM
We need a synthed John Rhys-Davies just like for Treebeard. Imagine it. I cringed when I first heard he did the voice for Treebeard, I was so afraid that Treebeard would sound like Gimli. But I have to remind myself that they were both by the same actor. That's something considering you never see his real face in either character. Anyway, he's got the voice if they tweek it in post.
Jack Black and Kyle Glass to.... by emeraldboy	Sep 12th, 2006 04:15:27 AM
Rock Dublin Ireland. Tenacious D to Rock the RDS.
Even though Jackson has said he wants to make.... by emeraldboy	Sep 12th, 2006 05:59:30 AM
this movie and if he wants to should. But, he is going to have to change the oldy-worldy tolkien language that makes the hobbit almost unreadable in my eyes. about 5 or 6 pages in , I had to put the book down and start again. The hobbit is over hyped. I tried to get into to it but ulimately, I had to abonandon it. I am sure that He will make the hobbit at some stage. Smaug will be awesome. personally I dont see this film getting off the ground, cost, cost, cost. LOTR was three movies made at once all told they cost over 100 mill to make. The days of studios making single 200 mill films are coming to an end.
Even though Jackson has said he wants to make.... by emeraldboy	Sep 12th, 2006 06:00:39 AM
this movie and if he wants to should. But, he is going to have to change the oldy-worldy tolkien language that makes the hobbit almost unreadable in my eyes. about 5 or 6 pages in , I had to put the book down and start again. The hobbit is over hyped. I tried to get into to it but ulimately, I had to abonandon it. I am sure that He will make the hobbit at some stage. Smaug will be awesome. personally I dont see this film getting off the ground, cost, cost, cost. LOTR was three movies made at once all told they cost over 100 mill to make. The days of studios making single 200 mill films are coming to an end.
Eeeuuuuhhhh by Bill Brasky	Sep 12th, 2006 06:48:05 AM
Has anyone seen the end sequence of Kings where someone slowed down the footage and everyone is just moaning and groaning and acting like cheap, three-dollar french whores? Its great.
I don't want Jackson to Foul THE HOBBIT. by Ringwearer9	Sep 12th, 2006 09:05:23 AM
... the way he left his orcish fingerprints all over Lord of the Rings. Remember that Jackson is the guy who, before his wife dragged him kicking and screaming into a "serious" movie, in Heavenly Creatures, was a zombie film maker. Yeah, his idea of a good movie is gore and disembowelments and dismemberments and gross icky fluids. Sound like Tolkien to you? Do you think Jackson will do a magical, beautiful dragon justice, or will he have that dragon oozing pus, with filthy teeth and dripping drool? Maybe lots of close-ups of maggot infested corpses among Smaug's treasure! Yeah! That's a Jackson movie! But it's not a Tolkien inspired movie. From the extended DVD commentaries - Jackson admitted on them he only read LOTR once. ONCE! 20 years previous to making the movie! And he says he didn't even bother to reread the story just prior to making the movie, relying on his co-writers, and only reading bits of the books for reference purposes! This is the director you all want to make the Hobbit? The guys a fucking troll, who did his best to turn the LOTR movies into zombie movies. He claims his favorite part of LOTR was the Elephant attack scenes, and is sad that he had to cut all these scenes of arrows impaling elephants, bacause it upset the audience (he even describes one arrow going into an elephant's eye, the sadistic asshole). Jackson is a n orc, troll, spawn of Sauron. The Hobbit should be made by someone else who actually cares about the book. Oh, another thing. Jackson said on the Extended DVD commentaries that he hates wizards and magic. Why would you want someone like that to make a movie featuring one of the most beloved Wizards in literature? Fuck Jackson.
I am against it. by Bob Cryptonight	Sep 12th, 2006 09:30:57 AM
No more elves.
PIXAR should redo the Ralph B. animated version by Kentucky Colonel	Sep 12th, 2006 09:31:58 AM
How would you like those apples? I'll take mine baked in a pie, a la mode s'il vous plait!!!
Ringwearer9 by Mr. Nice Gaius	Sep 12th, 2006 10:27:39 AM
Oh holy day. I knew it wouldn't be long before you chimed in on this thread. For you, Jackson is like a sore tooth - you just can't stop messing with it. Must I remind you that Tolkien is actually more violent than you might think. Check out the number of times the word "cleaved" (and its variants) is used in LOTR. Or the scene where Pippin guts a troll in the Battle of the Morannon. And I do believe Tolkien had the Mumakil brought down by shooting them in the eyes. I'm sorry Ringy, but you do not hold the monopoly on all-things-Tolkien. I don't know what super-polished, shiny, cartoon version of Tolkien you subscribe to but I'll take Jackson's vision over it anyday. Considering his magnificent accomplishment with LOTR, Jackson is and should be the one and only choice to direct "The Hobbit". And if/when he signs on, you're just going to have to deal.
As long as Jackson makes it who cares if its MGM by Knobules	Sep 12th, 2006 10:34:13 AM
Come on Peter. Make this thing!
Ringwearer9 has my agreements by tidge	Sep 12th, 2006 10:43:21 AM
I appreciate the LotR films, and would like to see McKellen have another "Gray" performance...but I shudder to think about how elements like the company of Dwarves, the trolls, Beorn, Goblin Caves, Wood-Elves, et al. would be handled. Jackson and his crew missed a huge fraction of the nuances in characters like Denethor, Faramir..I simply don't trust them with non-action/non-gore scenes.
If Jackson was a spwn of Sauron, wouldn't he be dead? by Tinfang	Sep 12th, 2006 12:27:11 PM
Perhaps he really is a zombie after all. Yeah, Jackson sure hated LoTR all right. Why else would he devote all those years and bankroll (in the beginning) the effort himself? If he were truly just stuck on the orcish aspects of the tale, how could the Lothlorien, Rivendell and Minas Tirith (I could go on) scenes be so stunningly beautiful? Wouldn’t he have made Rivendell look like a seedy Motel 8 with olog-hai janitors? Wouldn’t he have made Tol-galen look like the Zazu Pits or Disneyland for rot-metal fashion designers? Also, if he truly were the spawn of Sauron, would he have, in turn, spawned such cute-as-the Dickens children? Just wondering. Goodness, something doesn’t compute here and I think someone has an irrational negative attitude about the man. Could it be this poster is a, a, (here it comes) a HATER (cue dramatic music interlude)?!!! Nice objectivity there mate and I agree with the poster above about the purist and their “stubborn creative frigidity.” Well put sir! Face it, Jackson will do The Hobbit the justice that it deserves. You know it so accept it. I can’t wait myself. O the hoot!
Ratfinkus, listen to yourself .... by Ringwearer9	Sep 12th, 2006 01:03:23 PM
... all your arguments are those of a ratfink, the kid in school who was always telling the teacher on the other kids. You identify with Jackson because he has the power to make the Hobbit, and you cackle happily that we will have to "deal" with it when he does. Typical ratfink attitude, wouldn't you say? Did you smile smugly when the teacher yelled at fellow grade-schoolers for being rebellious, while you were a good little teachers-pet, just as you are a Jackson-pet now?
John Rhys-Davies by Staldo	Sep 12th, 2006 01:06:43 PM
I disagree that his voice was unrecognizable as Treebeard. I thought he sounded altogether too much like Gimli, even through the synth. In fact, some people I was with who didn't know it was the same actor commented that it sounded like Gimli. Ringwearer9 I too am all for somebody else trying their hand at The Hobbit. It is a kid's book, so it deserves a lighter tone. Also, I think it is time for more elves, but depicted a little differently. Nobody exemplifies elves as the xenophobic, rapacious forest-people they really are better than Legolas' dad, the Elven King Thranduil.
That's a shame, tidge... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Sep 12th, 2006 01:29:18 PM
...cause nearly the entire world disagrees with you. I wouldn't partner too closely to ol' Ringb(w)earer9...he's insane. Speaking of which, I can't wait until the site updates so I can actually read your reply, Ringodocious. I'm sure it's a doozy.
Assplunger9 - That's MR. NICE GAIUS to you. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Sep 12th, 2006 02:14:38 PM
And I see you are still trying to employ your "Ratfinkus Defence". Absolutely pitiful. You just can't stand that fact that I took your little parasitical friend, zfisk/homewrecker, to task EVERY SINGLE DAY. You're worried over the idea that certain people may actually be paying attention to what you say on these messageboards, aren't you? Zfisk/homewrecker certainly seems to be. *** As for my grade-school teachers, they never yelled at any of my classmates. We were all far too intelligent and good looking for any of that nonsense. My heartfelt sympathies if you were so traumatized. I'm sure AICN has a hotline you can call for post-junior highschool-geek depression. Let us know how that turns out, buddy.
I Agree With Gaius by MarkoOhNo	Sep 12th, 2006 03:18:03 PM
I'm a huuuge Tolkien fan. The Hobbit & LOTR were my biirrthday prrresentss -gollum- in 8th grade and I loved every page of 'em. I was a little leary of Jackson's version when it came out, and was a little disappointed with missing scenes & things being all changed around. But I understood why. Each film would've been 5-6 hours long! lol Overall, I felt the books were treated extraordinarily well in his films and were dark & dreary because the BOOKS were dark & dreary. They actually kinda freaked me out as I read them 'cause they were SO much more tense than The Hobbit. I have no doubts to Jackson's claims at being a huge Tolkien fanboy. If he wasn't, these films would be an hour & a half long and chopped up & stirred around into something unrecognizable, all in the name of Hollywood. Likewise, I have no doubt that he will perfectly capture the spirit of The Hobbit. It may be a little bit darker in order to draw in adult audiences & keep them in their seats - as The Hobbit was written to be a children's book - but I'm sure it'll still be PG. Gandalf was slicing open orcs, Bilbo was gutting giant spiders... plus there's Smaug's rampage on Dale, and the Battle of Five Armies. I'm quite sure those will be a bit exciting to see and possibly quite bloody as well.
I Agree With Gaius by MarkoOhNo	Sep 12th, 2006 03:25:00 PM
I'm a huuuge Tolkien fan. The Hobbit & LOTR were my biirrthday prrresentss -gollum- in 8th grade and I loved every page of 'em. I was a little leary of Jackson's version when it came out, and was a little disappointed with missing scenes & things being all changed around. But I understood why. Each film would've been 5-6 hours long! lol Overall, I felt the books were treated extraordinarily well in his films and were dark & dreary because the BOOKS were dark & dreary. They actually kinda freaked me out as I read them 'cause they were SO much more tense than The Hobbit. I have no doubts to Jackson's claims at being a huge Tolkien fanboy. If he wasn't, these films would be an hour & a half long and chopped up & stirred around into something unrecognizable, all in the name of Hollywood. Likewise, I have no doubt that he will perfectly capture the spirit of The Hobbit. It may be a little bit darker in order to draw in adult audiences & keep them in their seats - as The Hobbit was written to be a children's book - but I'm sure it'll still be PG. Gandalf was slicing open orcs, Bilbo was gutting giant spiders... plus there's Smaug's rampage on Dale, and the Battle of Five Armies. I'm quite sure those will be a bit exciting to see and possibly quite bloody as well.
WTF by MarkoOhNo	Sep 12th, 2006 03:25:59 PM
AICN is seriously pissing me off right now with all its pages-not-loading shit.
Ah, shucks, Nice Gaius... by Ringwearer9	Sep 12th, 2006 04:09:32 PM
.. it was low of me to start calling you names this early in the game. I apologize. Truce?
Re: Tolkein's violence: Pippin gutting the Troll by 'Cholera's Ghost	Sep 12th, 2006 04:27:55 PM
Not wanting to argue if Tolkien or Jackson is bloodier. What I'm wondering is Why, o' Why didn't Jackson put that in the movie?
Ringwearer9 by antonphd	Sep 12th, 2006 04:57:03 PM
Is Ringwearer9 supposed to be some kind of twist on the 69 joke? Serious, all Hobbit talk aside. I'm trying to figure out what the reference to being called Ringwearer9 is supposed to be. It can't possibly be that you are refering to the 9th human king to wear a ring and turn to a raith is it? it's a 69 joke right?
Nonononononono. Sir Petey to remake 'Khan'... by TomBodet	Sep 12th, 2006 04:59:15 PM
......McG to do The Bobbit, a film about the L.A. Bobbit Cut-off. You know-the Smaug in LA will kill ya if the Fili and Kili won't. And wasn't Gloin the son of Groin? Talkin' about the Bobbit cut-off here. McG-the Director You wanna be. AHEM Ringy-Sir Petey will do FINE w/ the Hobbit, though I agree that he will need to tone down the 'Saving Private Frodo' look of Lotr jest a bit. Hobbit was more slanted at kids, an over-selfindulgent mess like Jurassic_Kong would also be shitty. Sir Petey is the guy to do the jobbie though if it's to be done. Travolta as Beorn! CGI Cagney as Thranduil. Word.
Truce, Ringwearer9? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Sep 12th, 2006 07:09:03 PM
You can't handle the truce. ;P
no this is all wrong! by jonboy83	Sep 12th, 2006 07:29:55 PM
pj should be focusing on king kong 2: the prequel. i want to see a young kong learn about his unique gift. he's big because he has more mitochlorians than other gorillas. and he needs to talk and say things like " i think im getting the hang of this!" while in a starfighter. also, if that doesnt work out pj should just focus on making documentaries for a new lotr dvd. i heard theres an even better one coming out in november.
Anyone other than Mr. Peter Jackson would be silly. by Tinuviel70	Sep 12th, 2006 07:48:34 PM
For continuity if nothing else. Those who think Mr. Jackson did badly on Lord of Rings are only drinking the sour wine of unrealistic expectations. Best reason, of course, is because he did such wonderful work on sequel to Hobbit. Ha-ha, Mr. Tolkien was bloody as any may want, "...Duilin and his brother were trampled to death when they assailed the mumakil, leading their bowmen close to shoot at the eyes of the Monsters. Long now they sleep under grass in Gondor by the Great River. Grey now as tears, gleaming silver, red then it rolled, roaring water: foam dyed with blood flamed at sunset; as beacons mountains burned at evening; red fell the dew in Rammas Echor."
No shame in an honest opinion by tidge	Sep 12th, 2006 07:51:45 PM
There is a lot I enjoyed with the Jacksonian LotR...and I agree with some of his alterations to the story for cinematic purposes. I just think that he, Fran and Phillipa missed a lot of the subtelty of certain characters (Faramir, Denethor) and reduced Gimli to the point of comic relief. My recollection of the Hobbit makes me fear that the (much) less noble actions of the Dwarves therein (as opposed to LotR's Gimli would inevitably lead to many Keystone Kops sequences filled with fart jokes. I'd love his costume, makeup, casting and set folks to work on any Hobbit project...I'd just like a different set of screenwriters please.
Antonph, it wasn't quite what you guessed... by Ringwearer9	Sep 12th, 2006 08:52:20 PM
I used to be RingBearer9, referring to Nine Fingered Frodo, but now I'm more evil, so I guess now it is a reference to the ninth human king to be given a ring.
"I used to be RingBearer9" by Mr. Nice Gaius	Sep 12th, 2006 10:54:42 PM
Oh, so smooth Ringy.
The Hobbit, a license to print money? by one9deuce	Sep 13th, 2006 12:45:41 AM
Priceless! Ice Age is the highest ranking film in worldwide box-office that doesn't have a female character amongst the main cast, just as The Hobbit wouldn't. It ranks number 87. Anyone that doesn't think females make a huge difference in box-office is just ignorant. Antonphd posted that females read more fantasy than males. It's possible, but we aren't talking about literature. Females don't go to fantasy films.
I love these flame wars by Lost Prophet	Sep 13th, 2006 04:55:41 AM
My only real complaint with LOTR was the third part and moving Shelob into it- my argument goes that spending ages following Frodo around before Shelob distracts from the battles that the rest are having. I also thought the last half an hour was dull as shit. one9- my sister loves LOTR (she is way more fanatical than me about it) so that is bollocks about women not going to these films.
Ringy by Lost Prophet	Sep 13th, 2006 06:42:32 AM
What's wrong with Zombie Film Makers? I fail to see the problem.
Lost Prophet, Zombie Film Makers are shlocky tards. by Ringwearer9	Sep 13th, 2006 09:39:08 AM
.. which is okay if you want to get drunk and laugh at gross-out special effects. Tolkien deserved better than someone who really didn't give a shit about anything BUT zombie effects, which he tried to shove into the movie whenever it was slightly justified (Army of the Dead, Dead Marshes, Orcs of Mordor).
Although I sort of imagined me being Sauron .... by Ringwearer9	Sep 13th, 2006 09:49:35 AM
... holding all 9 rings of the mortal men, and controlling them.
I know that I am playing with fire here ringy by Lost Prophet	Sep 13th, 2006 10:45:52 AM
but I honestly think LOTR is overrated. Seriously, there is some of the worst examples of verse ever written, three chapters of cartoon garbage at the very end and 45million pages of appendices that read like genesis. Not to mention some of the most stilted dialogue ever in any novel. Tolkein is was not Shakespeare mind you, that racist prick was directly responsible for me having to study beowulf in old english at university, so maybe I am just bitter.
But you are a better man for it, Lost Prophet. by Ringwearer9	Sep 13th, 2006 11:31:53 AM
You know this to be true.
Here's a middle finger extended to... by Tinfang	Sep 13th, 2006 01:43:29 PM
...the Lost Prophet. If Tolkein were a racist, then so was the entire world population of his generation. That's like saying 19th century farmers were Luddites for using a horse drawn plow instead of tractors.
Jake Lloyd as Bilbo. by TomBodet	Sep 13th, 2006 06:12:46 PM
this time as a wooden Hobbit. Think of the possibilities. 'this key opens up the secret door-' 'YIPEE!!'
I don't know about Jake Lloyd... by Tinuviel70	Sep 13th, 2006 09:15:16 PM
...but Ewan McGregor might be a good choice to play Bilbo. As long as he gets to meet Thranduil's wife as played by Scarlett Johannson. You know that Mr. Jackson, or probably Fran/Philippa, will write that in.
a little history lesson for tinfang by Lost Prophet	Sep 14th, 2006 04:33:12 AM
Tolkein was racist. He had an actual belief in the superiority of the white english speaking man. He also had a hard on for reworking ourselves back to our nordic roots. And I still blame him, and his wanky lecture in 1950 or whenever the fuck it was for rediscovering beowulf to academia, thereby perpetuating the misery of bored undergraduates getting it inflicted upon them. Not all of his generation, or previous generations, were racist, but he was one of them.
Get lost, Prophet. by Tinfang	Sep 14th, 2006 11:53:01 AM
Show me a human being on this planet who does not, at some time or another, display racist tendencies. I've been on this ol' planet long enough to have observed this. Like I said, he was a product of his time and not subject to todays absolutist and politically correct perception of racism. Please direct me to any of his writings, for example, that show him supporting Nazi propoganda concerning Aryan superiority. It's easy for somebody to attack another on the internet and call them this or that but the actual facts of the matter are entirely another thing. So, please give some concrete examples of Tolkien's writings that one could say he supports the superiority of the white race. And please, none of this shit about orcs being black skinned. They came in many colors. Are you aware that Barliman Butterbur was descended from the race of dark skinned Easterlings? So much for only the Southrons being evil. Are you aware of the fallen Numenoreans who were as lilly white as my butt cheeks? I have a veritable cornucopia of material that will refute any of your ridiculous assertions about Tolkien being a racist. Bring it on my friend.

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