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Toronto Preview! Moriarty Drinks Deep From Darren Aronofsky's THE FOUNTAIN!!

JUGGFUCKLING FIRST BITCH RAGS ! by The Ender	Sep 3rd, 2006 09:46:35 PM

With That Out Of The Way, Lets Recap A Few Ender Facts by The Ender	Sep 3rd, 2006 09:52:25 PM
1. I Hope Demon Dave And Bernheim Get Skull Fucked And Juggfuckled when their soiled shit stain puke of a fucking corpse arrives at the morgue. 2. Alexandra Dupont Is a Cunt. 3. The Fountain And Pan's Labyrinth, and Brick are the movies I was most excited about this year. Seen Brick, it was amazing. Just fantastic. And I cant wait to see the rest of my three picks. Requiem is a powerful, powerful movie (it got 2 of my friends to quit doing drugs, no lie) and I think an important film. Both artistically and just emotionally. 4. I think Juggfuckler is here to save us all. 5. Did I mention that Demon Dave is a fucking hack piece of cocksucking shit, protein shake drinking steroid insulated Uwe Boll Face sitting Dick Bludgeoning Queef sucking Fuck faced cunt? Okay good....
by Nicholas Rage	Sep 3rd, 2006 09:55:11 PM
I realy can't wait to see this movie. This review did not change my opinion of it because I got board with it after 3 paragraphs and stoped reading. hehe. But I take it he liked it.
Did you giggle all through it? by theBigE	Sep 3rd, 2006 10:12:00 PM
Oh wait, that's what Harry does. Sounds great, Mori. I too skipped good chunks of your review because I don't want it spoiled. I can't wait until....October? November? When's it coming out? Have they moved it again?
Wow... by Mr Nice Gaius	Sep 3rd, 2006 10:33:57 PM
Incredible review, Moriarty. Thanks a million. It been a long time since I've heard of a film that's had that much of a profound effect on a viewer/writer/critic (LOTR or Brokeback Mountain maybe?). At only 98 minutes, did you feel that it was shortchanged in any way? Would a longer cut be of any benefit? Or, does it play out exactly as needed? Thanks again. Cheers.
Why is this rated R? by Kink	Sep 3rd, 2006 10:49:35 PM
"Some violence" That's it? I'm not quite sure what the hell the MPAA is thinking.
Aronofsky the new Del Toro/Rodriguez? by chickychow	Sep 3rd, 2006 10:50:03 PM
Why dont you use a lil more hyperbole Moriarty. Why don't you just come out and say that all you want in life is Darren Aronofsky giving you a blumnpkin on your most liquidy of days.
The Ender you know what would solve all your problems? by chickychow	Sep 3rd, 2006 10:51:58 PM
Killing yourself and sparing us your idiotic tirades. and that Juggfuckling this is already over, man. someone killed it, and I suspect it was you.
I HATE Darren Aronofsky by brokebackcowboy	Sep 3rd, 2006 10:53:55 PM
I wanted to get Rachel Weisz pregnant. Damn, she is beautiful. Thanks for the review, Mori.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! by thatpeterguy	Sep 3rd, 2006 10:55:42 PM
I'm dying to see this but I'm over here in Korea and they never distribute these kinds of films out here. I guess that's why God created torrentspy. Not that I would ever use that. I'm just saying.
Yeah Ender... by Mr Nice Gaius	Sep 3rd, 2006 10:57:38 PM
You're gonna want to tone that waaaaayyy down.
MNG by brokebackcowboy	Sep 3rd, 2006 11:02:53 PM
Ender is undoubtedly high-strung, but you gotta admit, his descriptions are vivid. Ouch.
Mori, answer me this..... by JohnGalt06	Sep 3rd, 2006 11:09:54 PM
Okay, so I know Izzi doesn't finish her conquistador novel because she wants Tom to finish it. So are the space sequences meant to be the final chapter that he writes himself? Is the fact that she is not physically present there representative of the fact that he writes it after she's dead? Is that why the space nebula he's flying toward looks exactly like whatever was in his petry dish under the microscope? Just wondering...
JohGalt... by TheRealMoriarty	Sep 3rd, 2006 11:39:59 PM
... that's a valid reading of it, and there's also just as much argument that the journey to space is a literal one based on the breakthroughs Tommy makes in his research. I'll be curious to see how you interpret it when you see it.
I am actually going to wait by oscarxp	Sep 4th, 2006 12:01:10 AM
Harry seems to love anything, which I respect but Morarity seems to be spot on or not be afraid to to say a film sucks, I would normally would go ahead and read the review because I have a really bad case of wanting to know too much. I have watched the trailer many times and still do not know what the film is about. If Darren is hiding more stuff then he has shown (which has been amazing)...I am willing to wait to be blown away. This film is my top choice to see this fall and something tells me it will make my top shelf (aka the movies I keep around no matter what to watch when I want to be reminded how much movies can mean something instead of what they are slowly becoming).....SIDE NOTE...I think we lived through the last remaining time of good movies those who were born in the early eighties....We will talk about films to our kids like Our parents talk about how good music use to be.
I always wondered why Pitt walked away from this.. by Windowlicker74	Sep 4th, 2006 12:04:29 AM
He walked around with this huge beard for half a year and then all of a sudden he was gone. anyone know why?
WELL by THE KNIGHT	Sep 4th, 2006 12:04:52 AM
I'll be seeing this Darren... I'll support you dammit!
The only film this Year that I must See. by Atomica	Sep 4th, 2006 12:24:38 AM
Seriously, and just like Vaughn passed X3 up for Stardust, I'm totally stoked that Aronofsy passed on Bats to finish his dream film.
I'm really looking forward to this... by mattyholmes	Sep 4th, 2006 12:37:51 AM
So i haven't read the review, I want to keep spoiler free. Just wanted to say that this and The Prestige are the two flicks left from this year i cant wait for. www.obsessedwithfilm.com (join our brand new forum!)
Too bad... by PirateEmery	Sep 4th, 2006 12:58:42 AM
I kinda thought it would have been awesome for the same characters to be in three eras. Find and drink from the Fountain of Youth, live to the present, journey to the future to find a cure. Oh well...
who cares. by calami-shami	Sep 4th, 2006 01:26:16 AM
Steve irwin is dead. Why cant Jackman bring him back?
How are we supposed to read these reviews by happygolucky	Sep 4th, 2006 01:53:47 AM
when they're so riddled with spoilers you can't make it past the first few sentences?
I won't read this until I see the movie.... by Russman	Sep 4th, 2006 02:03:59 AM
I don't know how I've managed not to read an of these, but honestly with a movie like this you guys shouldn't be doing detailed reviews... but that's just me. I'll have to read all of this after it comes out. I won't even watch the trailer again, trying to forget the images I've seen.
My most anticipated film of the last TWO years. by jigsaw	Sep 4th, 2006 02:20:07 AM
This has been such a long time coming. I remember how thrilled I was when the pics of Bearded Brad were first published. A few years ago. And then the filmed chemical reactions. I'm counting on this being the film where Aronofsky finally connects with me. In the past his films felt original but headache-inducing (Pi) or aesthetically genius yet shallow, narrative-wise (Requim For A Dream). This film feels like the right mix of brains and looks.
Man... this and Pan's Labrynth... Film isn't dieing by antonphd	Sep 4th, 2006 02:37:28 AM
For all the complaints that film is being boxed, and we've heard this for decades, there will always be those who make films like this despite the shit all around them. Thank Goodness.
Thanks for the review by CellarDoor	Sep 4th, 2006 07:36:14 AM
I cannot wait to see this film. The trailer does funny things to me, both at a visual and emotional level. I'm just looking forward to the experience of watching this film, celebrating some cinema, be it good, bad or amazing.
Requiem for Love by blackwood	Sep 4th, 2006 08:15:05 AM
Can't wait.
Eternal Love? (No Way This Will Top 2001) by LaserPants	Sep 4th, 2006 10:34:24 AM
I'm reasonably sure THE FOUNTAIN may be exceptional, it may very well be brilliant, but the fact that its entire premise hinges on "eternal love" automatically removes it from consideration for being a contender with 2001. I mean, cmon now, "eternal love"? Please. Don't embarrass youselves. Not saying that love doesn't exist, not saying that its not a powerful force, but 2001 touches on a deep existential wisdom; a transcendent vision of cosmic rebirth and the evolution of universal inteligence totally removed from physical / biological experience. No way that a romantic heroic quest to save ones girlfriend (regardless of whether or not she is as beautiful and intelligent as Rachel Weisz) can even come close to touching on this; because it makes the experience something shared on a purely biological level; romantic love being, at best, an elaborate illusion we create to make our biological urges seem more than what they are. To be perfectly honest, THE FOUNTAIN sounds like the kind of story a man very much in love would write. Isn't Aronofsky newly married to Weisz? When they divorce, I eagerly look forward to his reversal of this film: THE EMPTY WELL. Until he realizes that it was all just biology and gets over romantic love (or the equally romantic "unlove") altogether.
I'm still not excited about this one. by McGsStepson	Sep 4th, 2006 10:44:34 AM
I know that Devin and Mori loved it but I just can't shake the feeling that this will be some fanboy masturbatory love fest like THE FIFTH ELEMENT or LEGEND or SOLARIS that will not quite hit with the rest of the population. Don't get me wrong, I will still be there for it on opening weekend, I'm just not quite looking forward to it as much as THE DEPARTED, THE PRESTIGE, THE GOOD GERMAN, and APOCALYPTO.
LaserPants by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Sep 4th, 2006 12:00:09 PM
What a sad person you are.
Venice reception? by CellarDoor	Sep 4th, 2006 12:39:46 PM
Apparently the film got booed during it's premiere at the fest. Does it ask too much of it's audience to be a hit? Will that stop it from being a good film? I think the 2001 comparison is made due to the film being a challenge, not because they cover the same topic. Didn't critics walk out of the first screening of 2001?
Laserpants is a cynic! by CellarDoor	Sep 4th, 2006 12:42:47 PM
But probably right about love and biology. You can tell from the press and the trailers that The Fountain is a deeply humanistic story. Maybe a lesser one in that sense, but still interesting surely?
This better win an Oscar... mostly just cause by jabberwookie	Sep 4th, 2006 12:54:12 PM
im pissed Requiem for a Dream didnt get anything not cause I've seen this. So the oscar folks better make it up to him this time round.... so looking forward to this, just wish they wouldn't fuck with the release date so much.
Not Sad, Just Honest by LaserPants	Sep 4th, 2006 12:58:15 PM
I'm actually quite happy, thank you very much. Not really cynical either; just honest and realistic. Hey, I believe that love exists. I've definately been in love before; never said those feelings weren't there or didn't have some weight to them. I'm just being honest about what it is: a romanticized biological urge. That's it! I still recognize the power of it, I just don't romanticize it anymore like I did when I was young and naive (and/or "high"). In all honesty, being clear headed about it has made me be able to have much more fulfilling relationships, so, go figure. I'll take reason over romance, sorry!
ChickyChow by The Ender	Sep 4th, 2006 01:01:37 PM
I'm sorry to black cloud your reading experience. Truly, I try to use any tirades to fight on the side of righteousness. Secondly the Juggfuckling thing, I think it should be over when Juggfuckler officially kicks Demon Dicks ass. It's pretty harsh to tell me to kill myself, when you could just, I dont know NOT read my posts since they clearly annoy you so very much. I'm here to have fun, and I like the people on here. Except Regina Taylor and Dupont. Peace.
And, Of Course... by LaserPants	Sep 4th, 2006 01:02:17 PM
I think the THE FOUNTAIN looks exceptional; its definately on my list of "must-sees." Theres just no way its going to top 2001 (at least to my sensibilities).
I agree though... no way it can top 2001 by jabberwookie	Sep 4th, 2006 01:16:05 PM
fuck spielberg can't even top Kubrick... look at the shitfest that was AI... I get depressed everytime i think of how few movies kubrick made when there was so much more he could have given us.
TOO SOON! by scrivener	Sep 4th, 2006 01:21:52 PM
The movie dosn't open until November - so why are you teasing us like this? You're one sick, sick motherfucker Moriarty. God, I am so fucking sick of waiting for this to come out!
Never apologise, Laserpants. by CellarDoor	Sep 4th, 2006 02:55:35 PM
Not for choosing reason over simple-mindedness at least.
Booed at Venice... by MonsterSpielberg	Sep 4th, 2006 04:25:19 PM
wtf.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200 60904/people_nm/leisure_venice _weisz_dc_1
Word, Ender. Word. by 'Cholera's Ghost	Sep 4th, 2006 04:36:42 PM
Brick was utterly sweet. Fo' real.
Indeed by The Ender	Sep 4th, 2006 08:29:07 PM
Brick is what gives me hope in movies. Not just that, but as someone said above, Films Like The Fountain, and Pan's Labyrinth. Wow! This is what I want to be doing. Shit. I just wrote something yesterday at work that nearly made me tear up, just thinking about how amazingly powerful it would be to see executed EXACTLY as I pictured it. An opening for a war movie, that would just knock someone on their ass. Plan on seeing it someday.
While Moriarty raves, real critics are wretching... by Nate Champion	Sep 4th, 2006 09:23:50 PM
I have yet to read a positive review of this movie from a critic who wasn't given a personal screening on the Warner lot.
What a turkey! by fortheloveofgod	Sep 5th, 2006 02:33:30 AM
Everybody hated it. Showered with boos!
by MMacKK	Sep 5th, 2006 03:35:56 AM
Fuck, I cant wait for this. I'm glad I disagree with critics.
Aronofsky Is OVERRATED! by Darth Fabulous	Sep 5th, 2006 04:06:49 AM
I cringe every time I read an article referencing his aborted Batman project. At this point, he is more famous for knocking up Rachel Weisz than for his films. Not exactly Kubrickian.
Variety Review by Darth Fabulous	Sep 5th, 2006 04:16:32 AM
http://tinyurl.com/nqpnq This review from the Venice screening sounds a tad more believable than Mori, but I won't judge the film until I see it. Aronofsky just isn't the auteur he thinks he is.
Best Quote From The Scathing VARIETY Review by LaserPants	Sep 5th, 2006 06:47:41 AM
"Visual effects, credited to a slew of different companies, are indeed striking with their nearly 3-D layers of golden haze. However, segment ultimately looks like a remake of the wormhole section of "2001: A Space Odyssey," as produced by makers of instructional videos for beginning yoga students." Oh, Oww!! A little praise then alotta OUCH! *** You know, I'll probably enjoy the whole "Rachel Weisz is in it and is done up all beautiful" aspect of it, but this really does sound like a laughably naive, inept, self-indulgent turd. Of course, self-indulgence can also be incredibly cool -- like with Fellini or Lynch or Miike. But Aronovsky? He ain't no Fellini, Lynch, or Miike. I liked Pi and Requium, and this is definately on my list of must-sees, I just imagine lots of eye-rolling and unintentional comedy.
Thank goodness Brad Pitt backed out. by BobParr	Sep 5th, 2006 08:10:25 AM
I think he's a pretty good actor but very limited. From reviews I've read Hugh Jackman becomes totally vulnerable in this movie. Brad Pitt doesn't do vulnerable.
Variety... by Saluki	Sep 5th, 2006 09:50:05 AM
... They always do early reviews, but they rarely provide positive outlooks on them.
Hey Mori, good job. by Blue_Demon	Sep 5th, 2006 12:23:43 PM
This sounds awesome. I'd ignore the other critics as well. Also, it's interesting that you mention the use of microphotography to represent astronomical phenomena. I read that Douglas Trumbull did the same thing with "2001" only it was extreme close-ups of paints and oils mixing in a black medium ( not counting the slit-scan photography for the Star Gate effect. ) I think I just out-geeked you all.
Hollywood Reporter didn't like it either... by JohnGalt06	Sep 5th, 2006 12:32:52 PM
I will reserve judgment on the movie until I actually SEE IT, which is the only sane thing to do. It could be totally brilliant or nonsensical gobbledygook that plays to a very small audience (ala "What Dreams May Come") or something in between. I guess I'll have to wait until November to find out...
critics, right... by p4ld3w	Sep 5th, 2006 03:34:06 PM
I read today in three of our newspapers that The Fountain was roundly booed... Bring it on! I have been waiting for this since I first heard DA was making a new movie, and fook the critics, who talk up shiteberg at any available opportunity, and harrumph herd-like at anything that may try their tiny minds... i'm gonna watch Requiem (and then Solaris for the sci-fi/romance/geeklit hit!).
I don't judge based on other people's reaction by DOGSOUP	Sep 5th, 2006 04:29:10 PM
So the "boos" don't bother me. It's most definitely worth my time to see and judge for myself.
This is the kind of review... by readingwriter	Sep 5th, 2006 07:56:32 PM
...that makes you realize how bad most movies are, because most reviews are full of phrases like "the trailers give too much away" and "if you just want to shut your brain off for two hours" and other such qualifiers. This is what I call an Impressionistic review because it doesn't tell me much about the movie per se (plus I skipped parts so I wouldn't learn too much) but instead gives me an IDEA of the effect it had on the reviewer. Pauline Kael once mentioned that people were very loyal to movies, because how else could you explain their continued attendance when they'd been burned by the product so often? This review makes me think The Fountain is one of those movies that renews the faith, and makes you think "THIS is why I go to the movies!" I was losing a little enthusiasm over this after being really pumped up by another early review, but you've gotten me excited about seeing this again.
Self-indulgent and overrated by readingwriter	Sep 5th, 2006 07:59:53 PM
Two words which tell me the critic is really dying to say "How DARE you attempt to color outside the lines! How DARE you make something that's not aimed squarely at ME and my friends!" We'd still be favoring TV over the movies if it weren't for "selfindulgentoverrated" artists--whoops, another of those offensive words. (Oh, wait, most people DO prefer TV to the movies...) Bring on the artists who dare to not give a shit what YOU (whoever"YOU" might be) think!
Name an actress hotter than Weisz... by Colonel Kane	Sep 5th, 2006 08:03:17 PM
she's gorgeous
Three words, not two by readingwriter	Sep 5th, 2006 08:16:01 PM
I can write and read, just can't count
In Defense Of "I HEART RACHEL WEISZ!" aka THE FOUNTAIN by LaserPants	Sep 5th, 2006 08:52:39 PM
2001 was panned by critics too, at first, before they realized it was a work of genius. No, I'm not saying that THE FOUNTAIN is even going to come close to 2001 (for reasons noted eariler; it sounds like a corny new age space romance), but it doesn't mean its going to necessarily suck either. I loved the hell out of Miike's IZO and that has to be the most self-indulgent movie I've ever seen (it also happens to be completely brilliant). So, we'll see. I just get the feeling that people are going to either love this or hate it, and that many of the lovers are going to fool themselves into thinking that its deep when really its just pretty fluff for newlywed stoners / undergrad philosophy majors.
harry has found everlasting love... by Colonel Kane	Sep 5th, 2006 09:12:48 PM
why can't i?
? for Laserpants by readingwriter	Sep 5th, 2006 09:13:42 PM
Most "deep" movies are surfacey, and frankly, most of the people who go to the movies for philosophical elements are undergrad philosophy majors--I mean, who is the intended audience for truly deep movies, as opposed to "deep" movies? My question is, what is your standard for philosophical depth in movies--what movies are Deep, and which are "deep" (or New Age deep)? Because 2001 may or may not be deep, but I'd say undergrad philosophy majors are its philosophy's biggest fans. I don't see a whole lot of truly Deep movies out there and would love to read some titles.
The movie I, Col. Kane, starred in... by Colonel Kane	Sep 5th, 2006 09:18:22 PM
was sort of deep. seriously The Ninth Configuration is a fucking masterpiece.
Ninth Configuration by readingwriter	Sep 5th, 2006 09:26:58 PM
It's been too long since I saw it to call it a masterpiece, but I will say it has one of the most amazing openings of any movie I've seen--those shots of the foggy mountain, the dream image of the moon behind the rocket, and the astronaut shouting "There's nothing out there!" And how can you not like a movie with the line "The man in the moon tried to fuck my sister!"
by Colonel Kane	Sep 5th, 2006 10:22:39 PM
"I'm asking Foot to either shit or get off the pot. Diuretic strange gods have been waiting in line."
readingwriter by LaserPants	Sep 6th, 2006 07:32:48 AM
Well, its all subjective, init? And by deep I suppose I mean in terms of revealing profound (often frightening) truths about the nature of existance, even if its not "cosmic" in nature. Whereas "deep" would be "like wow man, I'm so high, dude, Rachel Weisz is hot!" and/or "there is no spoon." So, on that tack, I would reckon pretty much everything by KUBRICK, Bergman, Kurosawa (especially RASHOMAN: the whole subjectivity of experience thing), Apocalypse Now, Thin Red Line (and The New World), Breaking the Waves, Dancer in the Dark, julian donkey boy (yes, julian donkey boy), pretty much everything by Herzog (but especially Stroszek), pretty much everything by Wim Wenders (but especially Paris, Texas; An American Friend; and Wings of Desire), to name a few offa the top.
I Forgot the KRAZY KAT n' IGNATZ Comic Strip by LaserPants	Sep 6th, 2006 07:37:50 AM
You will never find anything more profound, more zen, than this. Never, ever, never...
LaserPants by readingwriter	Sep 6th, 2006 10:32:51 AM
That's a respectable list, but I gotta say, they all look like favorites of those same undergrad philosophy majors--ditto for The Matrix flicks. Those same upm's (to slap a label on 'em) are probably sitting around discussing the subjectivity of Rashomon, and you KNOW Kubrick is their fave director. Of those you listed I'd say Herzog best fits my understanding of the distinction you've made; his movies seem to confront messy reality with messy art. One movie that I consider Deep is Seconds, which is readily understood by someone without even that level of book learnin'. I think it's more a matter of taking an original approach to the material and revealing the filmmaker's understanding of life, as opposed to simply adopting someone else's worldview and wrapping it up in technique. As for Krazy Kat, I'd agree to an extent, though I'm more a Pogo guy myself.
dog star man is deep by Colonel Kane	Sep 6th, 2006 08:46:12 PM
deep i say
Laserpants by 'Cholera's Ghost	Sep 6th, 2006 09:29:20 PM
It's so great that Love and its mereological supervenience are finally being discussed here on AICN :-)
Love is great... by Colonel Kane	Sep 6th, 2006 10:12:46 PM
Arthur Lee, R.I.P.
Wow, this sounds really trippy and great. by minderbinder	Sep 7th, 2006 05:40:07 PM
I was never sold on this, but even the beginning of this review makes me really want to see it.
I dunno, Minderbinder... by JohnGalt06	Sep 7th, 2006 06:33:52 PM
It's starting to sound like new-age psychobabble to me. I'm DEFINITELY going to see it but I am keeping expectations down. Just remember that Moriarty also loved THE STORY OF US, BAD BOYS II, and THE REAL CANCUN...
Ever heard of fricking spoilers? by dplatt	Sep 8th, 2006 03:27:39 PM
I know the script and the comic have been out there, but a little warning would still have been cool.

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