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HELLBOY 2 defeats two studios' plans to keep him under wraps - joins his fellow monsters at UNIVERSAL!!!

FIRST by codyhizzle	Aug 4th, 2006 01:47:23 AM
Hells yea
Finally, progress! by Shub-Wankalot	Aug 4th, 2006 01:51:29 AM

BUT WHERE ARE MY VALIANT COMICS MOVIES!?!?!?! by xomanowarfan	Aug 4th, 2006 01:54:00 AM
Great news but arghhhh!!!!!....why won't anyone in hollywood wake up and make a movie about a Valiant character. 'Harbinger' anybody? How about 'x-o manowar'??? 'SHADOWMAN'??!!....mus t come down.
That'sa Lott'a Comic Book Movies!! by The Dum Guy	Aug 4th, 2006 01:55:46 AM
Really that is. I wonder when they'll finally finalize a Sandman movie..., that's gonnna be a sad day.
Excellent news by Ecto-1	Aug 4th, 2006 02:03:35 AM
Man this is excellent news. Hellboy is my fave comic and the movie is one of my faves too. Del Toro is a fantastic film maker and I can't wait to see this one. But yea, come on Mike, let del Toro give us some Lobster action!!!
There is a God... by robogeek.com	Aug 4th, 2006 02:05:26 AM
...and He is Cthulhu. Congrats, Guillermo!
I'm no X3 hater, but I'm not looking forward to Wolvie. by Shermdawg	Aug 4th, 2006 02:05:26 AM
Well, unless they recast Sabretooth. Singer/Hayter/Rothman/whoever fucked up big time with Mane's craptastic version back in X1! Also, any news on the Magneto flick? I got a feeling that it will unfortunately, never see the light of day.
Lobster person... by LordDarken	Aug 4th, 2006 02:07:38 AM
Lobster Jones or Lobster Johnson.. Wasnt that a fan created character that first appeared in a Savage Dragon(By Erik Larsen)contest? Or is the Hellboy version entirely different?
Comic flicks are hot, but if Transformers does well... by Shermdawg	Aug 4th, 2006 02:10:43 AM
Could it lead to a big bang of 80's cartoon adaptions? G.I.Joe? Silver Hawks? Mask? Thundercats? It'll be interesting to see what happens.
07 and 08 are looking to be both a billion times better by spectrebeeyatch	Aug 4th, 2006 02:12:11 AM
than this summer movie wise at least. I'm pumped.
I know, I know, I said "adaptions". Sue me. by Shermdawg	Aug 4th, 2006 02:15:38 AM
Uh, Mr.HEADGEEK sir, when are we gonna get a freaking edit option? :P
Blade II Sucked!!! by MetalWater	Aug 4th, 2006 02:22:54 AM
Yes...Blade II sucked...and between the writer, the producers, the studio, Wesley Snipes and the director of the movie, I'm not sure who is responsible for that mess...however, I must say that Hellboy was a good movie...and is everything that Blade II should have been and more. It even blows the Hulk movie away, by leaps and bounds!!! Hence, I am looking forward to the sequel. And in other comic book news, I just saw V For Vendetta on DVD...and found it to be great!!! The creators of Batman Begins and Superman Returns only wish they could have made their films 1/10th as good as V For Vendetta. Now, although I'm fully on Alan Moore's side of things...and though, I was down on the Warchowski Brothers and Joel Silver for the Matrix sequels...(and deservedly so) I have to say, they kicked major ass with that movie!!! Which brings to mind, my feeling that the Warchowskis really owe us all a Matrix redo...meaning, give us some sequels of the Matrix that really honor the original film in the way that V For Vendetta does!!! And in regard to the creator of V For Vendetta...if I could get a message to Alan Moore, I'd tell him to watch the film...I think he'll really dig it despite the fact that DC, and Hollywood as a whole, has screwed him and others in the past with bad adaptations of their works. This time, they got it right...or about as close to right as they are ever going to get!!! My mom and brother love V For Vendetta as much, or more, than I do...and that's saying a lot, since they are not comic book or graphic novel fans!!!
2008 sounds killer by mattyholmes	Aug 4th, 2006 02:23:35 AM
I'm not a hellboy fan so this news doesn't really exicte me but i am looking forward to Dark Knight and Iron Man. When will comic book movies burn out do you think? Feed your obsession - www.obsessedwithfilm.com
halo! by washisdead	Aug 4th, 2006 02:25:07 AM
guillermo needs to do halo next
Shermdawg by BadMrWonka	Aug 4th, 2006 02:39:45 AM
god damn, you just blew my mind with a GIGANTIC wave of nostalgia with one word, "Mask"...holy shit, I fucking LOVED that stuff, and I had every single goddamn toy, every one. if a movie of that were made, no matter what, even if Uwe Boll was directing from a Paul Haggis script, produced by Bruckheimer, I would still be camped out opening night like a Star Wars geek...holy hell...Mask...wow...I liked the guy whose jeep turned into a speedboat...I gotta google this shit and reminisce...
Right on, right on!!! by Rakafraker	Aug 4th, 2006 02:43:18 AM
I am SO glad that there will be a Hellboy 2. It truly is fitting that it's with Universal. Good choice, guys! Del Toro has fought hard for this one, so I'm sure it'll kick on the 1st one (it had it's flaws, but was entirely enjoyable). BTW - Matty, I hope they never do. I grew up (for the most part) reading comics. They will always be a source for new and (for good and bad) interesting ideas. I just wish we could get past the origin stories. Do we always have to know how they started? I loved X-men for not giving us every characters origin (though I guess we'll get some of it in the coming years) and just getting to the story. (Could I have used any more brackets?) (Maybe)
Harry and Guillermo Gay Slash Fiction Post #1 by Bari Umenema	Aug 4th, 2006 02:53:25 AM
Surely one of you creative types could do a really good imagining of what it would be like for Knowles and Del Toro to get busy to get down with some hot sweaty flabby disgusting smelly man love. These two look exactly alike and as repellent as the image is I'm sure they've talked about it during their late night phone sex chats and mutual masturbation IM cyber chats. The web is full fo gay slash fiction but Ain't It Gross News really needs to be the home page for Harry/Guillermo slash stories. Take it away Poster #2 let's get a funny thread going here on this bizarre yet oddly intoxicating truly stomach churning completely disgusting topic.
wow by BadMrWonka	Aug 4th, 2006 02:54:46 AM
blast from the past...these just might have to be purchased: http://tinyurl.com/lo5gr http://tinyurl.com/evwwg
Hit or miss by tompbeast	Aug 4th, 2006 02:57:58 AM
Hellboy was lacking something i couldn't quite put my finger on, maybee with a bigger budget II will be great not just good. And please don't end it like a video game with another giant end of level baddy! that was a bit lame. His movies are weird - Cronos - Hit, Mimic - Miss, Devils Bac-bone - Hit, Blade II - first time I watched it - Hit secnd time - Miss!? Hellboy - Hit/Miss?
Hellboy was a horrible movie by JUSTICE41	Aug 4th, 2006 03:12:27 AM
It looked purty but was just a hackjob messs.
Harry writes, "You see..." a lot! by RetroActive	Aug 4th, 2006 03:18:54 AM
Just thought I'd point that useless fact out.
Um, Hellboy was a piece of ass by shithead	Aug 4th, 2006 03:20:50 AM
Del Toro has made some fine movies over the years, reaching the pinacle with devil's backbone. However, Hellboy was just downright terrible. The comic, upon re-reading, owes much to Mignola's art work. It's what really adds the mood to the storyline. If you arrest the storyline from the art, it's actually pretty fuckin' weak, as we saw in the "hellboy" movie. This is a title best left to the comic books. I, for one, hope this film will never reach a megaplex near me.
Smalller budget = worse effects by Rupee88	Aug 4th, 2006 03:24:44 AM
Hellboy 1 is probably as good as it is going to get...it's downhill from there.
Spoiler You see the Universal logo before the film. by Archduke_Chocula	Aug 4th, 2006 03:35:09 AM
http://k105.blogspot.com/
Good news, bad news by Karnov	Aug 4th, 2006 03:59:22 AM
Good news: Hellboy's comming back! Bad news: That DelToro's still got his clumsy hack sausage fingers on the project. I know he's much loved on this site but seriously, he fumbles the ball time and agan because he has the subtlty of and Israeli response. I can't be alone in thinking that though he put in place all the elements that should have made a good hellboy movie, none of them came together very well. Props to Mignola at least for recognising that for a film to work you need to keep out the stupid fanboy geek refrences and Lobster Johnson is best left alone. Give the movie to Gilliam or in Karnov's dream world a top of his game first live action english feature for Hayao Miyazaki!
Hellboy and Dark Knight by Samson_K	Aug 4th, 2006 04:10:06 AM
I loved Hellboy - I thought it was a tremendous movie, really, I love the character and I loved how the movie represented it. I do have one tiny wee niggly concern about Batman being called 'The Dark Knight' - which is that 'The Dark Knight Returns' has become an iconic Batman story and created an alternate Batman and Gotham City etc - so, if 'The Dark Knight' is a success which is highly likely then does the third in the series become 'The Dark Knight Returns' but without having anything to do with Millers story. I do need more hobbies I know that but it concerns me a little is all
AICN has to be the only site where.... by Flipao	Aug 4th, 2006 06:20:22 AM
Del Toro, Aronofsky, Nolan, Rodriguez, etc... are called hacks. \| But Joss Whedon, Eli Roth and Michael Bay... oh, they're Auteurs. \| As for Gilliam or Miyazaki making a better HB film... it's like giving Beetlejuice to Kurosawa.
I'm with shithead. by Cory849	Aug 4th, 2006 06:41:01 AM
Now, there's a sentence I never thought I would write...
But I wanted MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS ... by godoffireinhell	Aug 4th, 2006 06:44:01 AM
And now I have to wait AT LEAST until 2010 for that to happen. Fuck.
Blade 2 rocked by Callahan9996	Aug 4th, 2006 06:44:40 AM
Blade 2 was the best of the bunch. Perfect A+ comic book adaptation.
You beauty!! by Brody77	Aug 4th, 2006 07:02:20 AM
Loved the first Hellboy, cannot wait for this - wonder if the FBI dude will be back.
So by Steve Rogers	Aug 4th, 2006 07:06:43 AM

So-So Movie by Steve Rogers	Aug 4th, 2006 07:08:12 AM
Damn my stupid too-quick posting! I was GOING to say that Hellboy was okay but nowt special. Hope the sequel is better (Perlman was great, must be said). BUT ANYWAY HARRY - what about that Brett Ratner interview over at CHUD? He slags you off something rotten!
Mmmmm...More pamcakes! by SpyGuy	Aug 4th, 2006 07:35:07 AM
I thought HELLBOY was "Meh" when I saw it in the theater, but I ended up with the Special Extended Edition DVD set and now I find myself watching it every couple of months or so. The visuals are great, especially the use of color, and the banter between Hellboy and Abe just rocks. Plus, John Hurt as Professor Broom was brilliant casting.
Great! by FordPerfect	Aug 4th, 2006 08:02:21 AM
This is great!
I don't know why I seemed to like the first more than by beastie	Aug 4th, 2006 08:03:47 AM
others did. I didn't even read the comics. I usually hate big-budget special effects flicks. But I loved the first movie and I am very excited about this.
Regenerative shield = A FUCKING M.A.S.K.!!! by StarBlitzer	Aug 4th, 2006 08:09:49 AM
I had Piranha (motorcycle with sidecar becomes a submarine) and the race car with the two twin villains that split into 3 different cars). And I had the best of all: the mountain gas station that turned into a damn missle base (gas pumps laser cannons!) This nerdgasm brought to you by Jeebs Toys! http://www.btinternet.com/~Jee bs/mask.htm
Cock is out....stroking commences.... by Doctor_Sin	Aug 4th, 2006 08:11:49 AM
But, yeah, where's Mountains of Madness?!?!?
If Transformers does boffo BO by DirkD13"	Aug 4th, 2006 08:19:09 AM
Definately expect Mask, and probably the GoBots too, what about Centurians???
"it's like giving Beetlejuice to Kurosawa" by rev_skarekroe	Aug 4th, 2006 08:20:01 AM
Don't tell me you wouldn't watch that.
Who the hell wrote this article? by Mechasheeva	Aug 4th, 2006 08:24:19 AM
The punctuation is broken beyond repair. It hurt my brain to read.
Once I saw Hellboy,,, by emeraldboy	Aug 4th, 2006 08:28:55 AM
I thought it rocked. Saw it on DVD. Pearlman gave the best performance of his career. I loved the movie.
Great! by Lost Skeleton	Aug 4th, 2006 08:40:12 AM
Hellboy actually ages very well as a comic film and works on a lot of levels. I am glad that Del Toro is getting a chance to continue the series!
I hated Hellboy. by Eaglet1138	Aug 4th, 2006 08:44:57 AM
I wanted to like it, watched it in theaters, and I just hated it. Couldn't stand it. I'll do something, though. We've still got it on DVD here. I'll give it another run tonight. Pop up some corn, lie down on my couch, and I'm gonna try to figure out why people think it's a great film. If I can't get through the third reel, you'll understand why. ****** If anyone has things for me to look out for, particular reasons to like the movie, please post before 10ish ET tonight.
i'd be pumped if the 1st helloboy was good... by isildur29	Aug 4th, 2006 08:46:53 AM

What about Archie comics? by Darth_Nader	Aug 4th, 2006 08:49:46 AM
The cast of Friends really isn't doing anything right now. Matt LeBlanc for Jughead!
Seriously, who give a fuck? by Atticus Finch	Aug 4th, 2006 08:55:36 AM
Hellboy sucked all kinds of ass, and it showed at the box office. I don't see anyone other than Harry and Del Toro clamoring for the sequel. Go ahead and release it in 2008...that summer is going to need something to bomb.
Who care's about Wolvie... by Giz	Aug 4th, 2006 09:15:44 AM
where the fuck is GAMBIT!
The FLAMING CARROT is Hollywood gold! by Uncle Stan	Aug 4th, 2006 09:34:30 AM

Natalie Portman in Star Wars TV Show? by GenericJokeName	Aug 4th, 2006 09:54:21 AM
Whether she wants to or not: http://tinyurl.com/kx59r
Gobots were Transformers for poor kids... by moto	Aug 4th, 2006 10:02:30 AM
(I say this in lighthearted fun)
We'll never know what's good by DOGSOUP	Aug 4th, 2006 10:04:00 AM
because no one can ever agree. Hellboy in both comic and movie form are treasures. Del Toro, Aronofsky, Nolan, Rodriguez are not hacks in any respect. A M.A.S.K. movie might be silly if they held as true to the toys as you guys want("MASK crusaaaders working OVERTIME fighting CRIME!"). Wolvie's solo movie will be way better than X3. Hellboy will be way more popular when this comes out because the cartoon will be on. But none of that matters because many of you haven't said something was actually good in 7 years.
fuck off - the movie made $60 million - you want sequel by Spacesheik	Aug 4th, 2006 10:09:00 AM
????????????
WHAT? why does this get greenlit when... by ahdvd	Aug 4th, 2006 10:13:49 AM
The sequels to Chronicles of Riddick and Serenity have not?!
V for Vendetta WAS better than Batman Begins by slone13	Aug 4th, 2006 10:13:55 AM
Both were great movies. V was better. It's the truth.
Hellboy made over $50 million in video rentals alone by slone13	Aug 4th, 2006 10:16:09 AM
THAT'S why there's gonna be a sequel. Serenity and Chronicles of Riddick didn't do anything close to that.
And if adaptations of 80's cartoons is the next thing.. by Kid Z	Aug 4th, 2006 10:18:06 AM
... I want my DRAC PACK movie!!!
Dude... by casinoskunk	Aug 4th, 2006 10:45:09 AM
i hope that you made that brokeback joke as a final nail in the coffin, for brokeback jokes. i hope you guys post the news that Hellboy 2 will have a climax, than i can start to get excited about going to see it.
Hellboy was phenomenal by neonist	Aug 4th, 2006 10:48:39 AM
A sequel is much deserved.
FUCK YEAH !!!!! by IAmLegolas	Aug 4th, 2006 11:20:38 AM
FINALLY!!! WOO HOO !!!
Um.... by IAmLegolas	Aug 4th, 2006 11:23:38 AM
HELLBOY made $99,318,987 worldwide and who knows in DVD sales. Sorry it's not "STAR WARS", you losers.
Re:GenericJokeNAme by The Ender	Aug 4th, 2006 11:30:23 AM
That was some of the unfunniest shit I've had the non-pleasure of trying to sift through in a while. I'm looking forward to not reading it again.
Hellboy was good but kind of boring.... by El Scorcho	Aug 4th, 2006 11:38:52 AM
If they can up the ante, this one might be lots of fun, but the original was still solid.
First one was a letdown by jimmy_009	Aug 4th, 2006 11:41:45 AM
It was ok, but not as great as it should have been. The story and action were just standard action fare, nothing special. The makeup was good, but the cinematography was WAY off the mark. It should have been dark and gritty looking, not well lit and shiny. The best way to do Hellboy would be as a stop motion flick.
V for Vendetta had some cool part but not great movie by skiff	Aug 4th, 2006 11:58:39 AM
I kept waiting for something to happen
The problem with Hellboy is: by Noeland	Aug 4th, 2006 12:01:17 PM
That it was not SCARY or otherwise very compelling. It was only OK as a film, but it looked great and had great FX work. I think in his love of the character, and slapping in his favorite couple of scenes from the comic book, Del Toro forgot to build a decent storyline around him. Mignola has said a million times "This is not my Hellboy, this is Del Toro's Hellboy." And it really shows. The comic book is creepy, and interesting, and some times scary. The film was a very nearly a slapstick comedy. Here is to hoping that HB2 is a little more frightening and lacks the fresh faced kids.
DirkD13 by Flickerhead	Aug 4th, 2006 12:07:03 PM
There won't be a Gobots movie, as Gobots were eventually bought out by (and integrated into) Transformers. True story.
Hellboy was some damn good fun by Mechasheeva	Aug 4th, 2006 12:08:08 PM
And rewatching V for Vendetta last night I'm sticking by my notion that it's my favorite movie of the year thus far. It's by no means perfect, but it continued to stick with me long after I'd left the theatre and I couldn't wait to see it again.
slone13 by Flickerhead	Aug 4th, 2006 12:09:17 PM
Where do you get dollar figures for video rentals? I've looked long and hard for such a resource with no luck--can you help a brother out? [NOTE: I am currently only responding to talkbackers with a 13 in their handle, apparently]
Hellboy not Scary?? by emeraldboy	Aug 4th, 2006 12:21:33 PM
WTF? those nazis with gas masks and the sword fists. Those guys creeped me out. I remember watching spiderman amid all that hype and seeing those banners for Hellboy and thinking why the hell is this not out yet. Then then finally I did see, it was so much better then Spiderman 2, oddly. Hellboy hooked me from the beginning. If you one is a comic book purist, which I am not, then you will find fault with hellboy. Cant Wait to see hellboy. Pearlman was inspired casting. I loved the scene with the kid on the roof, with hellboy asking him for love advice. Other, purists possibly hated that.
Hellboy was entertaining... by mr.underwater	Aug 4th, 2006 12:23:41 PM
But not terribly engrossing. The movie was very episodic, and while each episode had a nice arc, the movie as a whole really didn't. Add to that, it was cut very erratically, and at times the VFX were really poor, thus pulling you straight out of the action. That said, it set up some pretty neat characters, and if the above issued are fixed, I could see the sequel being largely superior to the first.
Can we please get Harry's telegraphed glowing..... by Kai_Mah'gra	Aug 4th, 2006 12:25:29 PM
........praise-filled review for this one? We know you've already written it Harry, and it'll probably be the next coming ofr "Citizen Kane". Any project attached to Peter Jackson, Guillermo Del Toro or Bryan Singer is instantly assured of a thumbs up from this site even before they start production. So just save us all the time and post your review, and then proceed on with the production blogs/video diaries/ and inevitable daily set visit reports; you know, the usual knob-polishing treatment for reserved for the "good" studios and "good" directors who don't forget to give you pwesents. Come on Harry let's have it....
reading the posts on this site by emeraldboy	Aug 4th, 2006 12:25:53 PM
I think i know where groeing gets his comic book guy from. especially when someone says somehing like: "Worst....Casting...Ever!" or Sigh. that is not hellboy.
The summer comic fantasy smackdowns...... by SydBarretsMyDad	Aug 4th, 2006 12:29:11 PM
that cleared the way for my exhausted glee when I watched Miami Vice. Midway thru it, I thought.....another summer of Pirates, X-men, Superman, computer generated kiddy movies.....and FINALLY a movie geared for adults who dont live in their parents basement. That said.....Summer 2008 looks to be stacking up just fine......my only hope, is that Michael Mann makes another violent titfest for me to snap myself back into reality with.
Alriiiight! by BrandLoyalist	Aug 4th, 2006 12:47:23 PM
I'll see at least two of the releases on that list in theaters... Hellboy 2 is one of 'em
CLIVE OWEN AS LOBSTER JOHNSON! by Traumnovelle	Aug 4th, 2006 01:17:54 PM
He would be soooo perfect. He could play it so dead seriously, but since he's such a great actor it wouldn't be ridiculous. I mean...Lobster Johnson IS a silly character, but Clive Owen could make you forget that. Fuck. That would be so perfect. Now here's hoping the film will be a few shades darker than the first, with more silent moments. Also, can I get some dope flashbacks and shit? Like Mignola always does. Like in the Island, show Mayan priests guarding sacred tablets of knowledge from conquistadors or ancient Hyperborian cities and shit. That stuff gets my blood pumping. Anyway, great fucking news, I can't wait. Viva Hellboy and Guillermo.
Yeah but... by SG7	Aug 4th, 2006 01:22:26 PM
Wolverine and Iron Man will SUCK. You know they will.
Hellboy 2 in the hizzy by Mits777	Aug 4th, 2006 02:07:28 PM
Hellboy one definitely growns on you. First time i saw it i thought it was ok but after subsequent views it has gotten better and better. Perlman plays the best superhero adaption in any comic movie to date. I agree with earlier poster who said they want Riddick sequel to be greenlight. Between the theatrical version of Chronicles of Riddick and the Unrated dvd version is night and day. The dvd is way more cohesive especially the less edited fighting. Check out this rad politically incorrect movie, game, and music review site. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do
TOO SOON by Badger999	Aug 4th, 2006 02:08:08 PM
Remember that review where Harry said Blade 2 was like oral sex and the audience is the clit and Del Toro was licking us? Yeah, that still haunts me. Hellboy was okay (but only that). Blade 2 wasn't like receiving oral sex. It was more like being forced to toss Harry's salad, and who in their right mind would want that?
BROKEBACK MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS by Uncapie	Aug 4th, 2006 03:41:48 PM
That wacky H. P. Lovecraft.
But Guillermo said no Hellboy II by CENOBITE	Aug 4th, 2006 03:44:59 PM
... at ComicCon Guillermo said that there wasn't going to be a Hellboy 2 until there was funding, and so far there wasn't. I guess Hollywood works fast.
Badger999, I was about to quote that as well by Flipao	Aug 4th, 2006 04:00:32 PM
Harry hyped the shit outta HB, for years and years and years. The final product was ok, but not the masturbary piece AICN claimed it was going to be.
Hellboy by phaedrus007	Aug 4th, 2006 04:32:21 PM
First one was ok. It set-up the Hellboy world nicely, but the story was pretty thin. Given that the backstory is already set-up, they have a chance to tell a great Hellboy story in the sequel... here's hoping.
Hellboy was visually lackluster. by superninja	Aug 4th, 2006 04:56:11 PM
It's fine for what it is, but fans of the comic book know there is missed potential there. And they DEFINITELY get negative points for how they handled Abe.
Hellboy doesn't need a huge effects budget. by superninja	Aug 4th, 2006 04:58:21 PM
What it needs is a director who understands how to use shadows and build suspense. Just use the panels from the comics as a reference a la Sin City. The first film used effects when they were completely unnecessary. Just pure overkill.
Maybe make the Abe from the first film an evil by superninja	Aug 4th, 2006 05:00:26 PM
clone of Abe, while the real Abe (the funny, amiable, buddy-sidekick Riggs to Hellboy's Murtaugh), is trapped in a canister in a basement somewhere while the loser in the first film gets a dirtnap.
V For Vendetta vs. Batman Begins!!! by MetalWater	Aug 4th, 2006 05:16:21 PM
V For Vendetta was about something real and meaningful...Go back and watch the movie...it's a real metaphor for 911, warning us to not give up our power to a government that would trick us to do just that, by staging a false terrorist attack on itself and its people. It's about the dangers of embracing fascism and giving away your God given rights to freedom of will and freedom of expression. However, Batman Begins is a super hero rehash that was cleary inspired by the Legend Of The Lone Ranger and or the Spielberg produced movie Young Sherlock Holmes, where we see how our hero learned his super hero skills. But Batman Begins, was slow in its pacing...and was just plain boring!!! V For Vendetta is a smart man's super hero film...Batman Begins, well...is simply for the dummies!!!
V For Vendetta is NOT a metaphor for 9/11! by Mechasheeva	Aug 4th, 2006 05:36:06 PM
It is based on a BRITISH graphic novel from the early to mid 80's (it was stretched over a ridiculously long period of time). And while there were changes, its theme stays true in that one line in all the trailers: "The people should not be afraid of the government, government should be afraid of the people." Yes it was politicized (a Bill O'Reilly type and a Dick Cheney type pop up) but the movie asks how far we would be willing to go to preserve our freedom, not how far the government would go to take it away. As for the BB vs. V debate, V is a very good film with a lot of style, good performances, etc., but its pacing is uneven and its heavy-handed. In my opinion, Batman Begins was the best movie released last year, with the acting, directing, effects, everything pitch-perfect, capturing the tone of Miller and post-Miller Batman perfectly. But they're two different movies with two different agendas, so a direct comparison makes no little sense.
make that by Mechasheeva	Aug 4th, 2006 05:36:40 PM
little sense. because "no little sense" makes, uh . . . no sense.
Spoilers? by fiester	Aug 4th, 2006 05:59:01 PM
Where?
Uncapie by godoffireinhell	Aug 4th, 2006 06:11:56 PM
There are those that will argue that Lovecraft was a closet/repressed homosexual and that this explains the lack of women in his fiction, his troubled and brief marriage (his wife called his sexuality "sluggish" LMAO) etc. so maybe you are onto something here. I for one would pay to see gay cowboys travel to Antarctica and wrestle with 8 foot tall albino penguins.
RE: Spoilers? by godoffireinhell	Aug 4th, 2006 06:13:02 PM
Tooth Fairy Fight!!!
V For Vendetta And Nit Wits Who Don't Understand It!!! by MetalWater	Aug 4th, 2006 06:21:12 PM
Of course, you moron...we all know that the original graphic novel was based on the government of former English Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher!!! However, in the light of 911 and the fact that it has been years since Thatcher has acted as Prime Minister...The Warchowski Brothers and Joel Silver decided to draw parallels to 911!!! That is the thrust and the immediacy of the film...and the reason it was made!!! If you are too stupid to see that...and read between the lines at the clear and utter subversive and political satire based under pennings of this movie...you need to take your silly ass back to school!!! The Warchowskis are straight out accusing the Bush administraition of secretly pulling off 911, metaphorically speaking of course!!! That's the true boldness of V For Vendetta!!! But in regard to Batman Begins, it is a hard charged political thriller for the second grader class who think Kenny on South Park was assassinated by the school chef!!! If you know anything about the subject...there wasn't a lone shooter...No...it was a conspiracy!!!
MetalWater by neonist	Aug 4th, 2006 06:33:09 PM
You speak truth but damn bro... there were good vibes going on in this TB... well other than the V vs. BB shenanigans... ah fuck it... FUCKIN' HELLBOY 2!!!!!!
I simply don't think by Mechasheeva	Aug 4th, 2006 06:58:32 PM
the Wachowskis were trying to accuse Bush of anything so heinous. Like I said, the movie is about stepping up to preserve (or in this case win back) your freedoms, it isn't about how the government took them away in the first place. That whole subplot, I'm convinced was placed in the movie to make the villains even more detestable. Say what you want, I don't think this was a flick for cracked-out conspiracy theorists. And Batman Begins was not a, uh "hard charged political thriller" nor was it trying to be. . . it was just badass. I'm done now, because you were rude and called me moron and my ass silly. Hellboy 2 will be okay, I guess, but I want Pan's Labyrinth right now more.
Not to say by Mechasheeva	Aug 4th, 2006 07:02:49 PM
I don't think V had direct political references to things going on today. It's just not a conspiracy theorist movie. Okay, I'm done now for real.
Bush vs. V and The Wachowski Brothers!!! by MetalWater	Aug 4th, 2006 07:06:55 PM
You won't be calling people cracked out conspiracy theorist when they finally put Bush in cuffs!!!
Hellboy was good but had its flaws by Doc_Strange	Aug 4th, 2006 08:00:50 PM
That monster, Sammy kept showing up and that Kung Fu Nazi guy was just rediculous. I really like the whole love thing between Hellboy and Liz, though. It gave the movie a whole different dynamic. I think overall the film needed more variety than just Hellboy fighting a resurrecting monster. I did think a lot of the quips made by Hellboy were genuinely funny. And Ron Pearlman's acting was top-notch. I also think Selma Blair is some hot eye candy. She should make more movies.
Listen to the good doctor by twitaman	Aug 4th, 2006 08:23:50 PM
Doc Strange is right. Hellboy was good, but flawed. I hope they work the kinks out of the sequel. Btw, Selma Blair would've made a MUCH better Lois Lane!
re: Lobster person... by grendel824	Aug 4th, 2006 08:52:38 PM
No - Lobster Johnson is the Hellboy character, Jimbo Da Mighty Lobster is the fan-created Savage Dragon character. No relation.
Hellboy cost $66 million and only made $59 Million by Johnny Storm	Aug 4th, 2006 09:48:11 PM
And you KNOW it costs more than 66. Figure in another 40 million for marketing and that fucker tanked!!!
Hellboy made back it's budget and then some. by critch	Aug 4th, 2006 10:17:18 PM
Sure, it only made 59 here. It brought in another 40 overseas, and sold well on DVD, television rights, etc. etc. If Hellboy 'tanked', as you say, then Universal wouldn't have picked up the sequel. Hellboy did well, and provided profit. HB2 will do the same.
I own both by Mechasheeva	Aug 5th, 2006 12:32:41 AM
and still prefer BB, obviously. V is one of those movies I'll go back to occasionally, like when I find a friend who hasn't seen it . . .
I wish they would do Hellboy Animated like...... by Doc_Strange	Aug 5th, 2006 12:57:21 AM
How Sam Keith did The Maxx cartoon. It played out just like a comic book with panels and shit. Great camera work. If I didn't know better, I'd say that Ang Lee pretty much ripped that off for how he shot The Hulk. But essntially, the cartoon would be in Mignola's style but have motion and shit, kind of like a moving comic but retaining its dark roots and mood. From what I've seen, though, that's not what it looks like they're doing.
This VFV vs. BB stuff by Frgl_Rockatansky	Aug 5th, 2006 02:46:07 AM
has to stop. Because simply put by Mechasheeva, they are two incredibly different films. However, BATMAN BEGINS does indeed remain true to its source materiel, and V FOR VENDETTA does NOT. I am one of the world's biggest V fans. The comic series is my favorite piece of printed fiction ever. I have tattoos of the V symbol and the words AVE ATQUE VALE on my arms. When I saw V FOR VENDETTA, I knew I was going to be disappointed. I knew they would, in many key moments, screw the pooch. And they did. For me, V is equal parts story and character. They fucked over so many of the characters that it wasn't even funny. Finch was fucked. Dominic and Delia were fucked. Adam Susan was majorly fucked when he was changed to Sutler. Evey Hammond was fucked, especially when they made her a middle-class twentysomething with a pretty decent job instead of a 16-year-old barely surviving and attempting to turn tricks. V... the moment after he stood down the police gunfire and revealed that there was some bullshit Eastwood-Spaghetti Western boiler plate under his cloak... that completely fucked up the moment and the character. And no Heyers, no Almonds, no Harper, no Kitty Kat Keller... and the most horrific oversight... no FATE. The ONLY character that they treated with some modicum of respect is Valerie Page, which is why that sequence is the only one in the film with any weight. It's no wonder that Moore took his name off it. Hollywood has had him grabbing his ankles since day one with FROM HELL and fucking LXG. Personally, I'm pissed that they signed ANYONE to do WATCHMEN. Sometimes, you just have to leave it alone. As far as HELLBOY is concerned, I think that it took the SPIDER-MAN road, which is a good one to take, but not when you're dealing with a comic character that is not NEARLY as iconic. The film required a lot more than just fanboy-love. It needed a lot more ass-kicking moments to hold most people's interest, including my own, and I like the HELLBOY comic a lot. I'm hoping since they got most of this stuff out of the way with the first film, they'll be able to go in a more action-oriented direction. Just do SOMETHING, Guillermo, to make it a bit more involving from the post-credits on. A lesson needs to be learned from films like M:I-3. A whiz-bang opening does not an entire movie make. And to all those out there who think that V is the end-all be-all of comic book cinema, read the fucking graphic novel, and if you still think it's a great movie after that, then there is something very wrong... with your brain.
VFV by DirkD13"	Aug 5th, 2006 04:40:36 AM
V For Vendetta was indeed a reaction to the Thatcherite Conservative government of the 80's and the fact that there was rampant privatisation/shutting down of national industries (most pertinently the miners), simply highlighting the fact that it is the people who have the power. It's a universally relevant theme, post 9/11 or not. BB is the far more entertaining, but less thought-provoking, film. Oh and Flickerhead, thanks for the Gobot tidbit, did not know that!
Hellboy should be done green-screen, like Sin City by pokadoo	Aug 5th, 2006 05:05:36 AM
but with the background art design of Mignola. Or even just animated, like 'The Amazing Screw-On Head'. Del Toro has an amazing visual style, but it's not so great for Hellboy. Let Rodriugez & Mignola direct this. Or Alfonso Cuaron.
MetalWater, oh MetalWater by Damer1	Aug 5th, 2006 07:22:02 AM
You are a cracked out conspiracy theorist. V is for suck butt.
HELLBOY 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELL YES!! by Spiderhulk	Aug 5th, 2006 10:22:14 AM
This will rock out hardcore!
Who gives a crap? by sith-vol	Aug 5th, 2006 10:41:22 AM
Hellboy sucked goat balls.
RE: Animated Hellboy by godoffireinhell	Aug 5th, 2006 10:52:47 AM
Surely you know that TWO animated HELLBOY features are being made and that the first one will be out this October? They will premiere on TV and then go to DVD.
pokadoo - right on! by superninja	Aug 5th, 2006 11:56:47 AM
Cuaron for Hellboy 2.
godo, I sure hope that they capture the by superninja	Aug 5th, 2006 11:59:22 AM
pacing and atmopshere of the comic book. That's one thing the movie missed the boat on big-time. And I think it's a big component to the success of the comic book. What they did get right was Hellboy and his dry sense of humor, but that was about it. They sucked all of the eeire right out. Hopefully, the animators will know better.
I like the way pokadoo thinks. by superninja	Aug 5th, 2006 12:04:54 PM
I didn't see Sin City, but heard the style was a little on the dry side - not overly stylized. But you have to give them credit as it was a first attempt. I'm real curious to see how 300 looks and if the concept works. Because if it's successful, it could create a lot of freedom for comic book films. One thing that continues to bum me out is how unimaginative some of these translations are. Sky Captain, for instance, had a dry script and was poorly paced and directed during the action sequences, which are obviously important to that type of story. But the framework is ideal to make a Wonder Woman or Superman movie.
Evil Abe Clone by NoHubris	Aug 5th, 2006 12:27:32 PM
I like the idea of an evil Abe clone. That could work, especially since Abe has no memory prior to the opening of the tube found at St Trinian
Good news for monster fans everywhere. by uberman	Aug 5th, 2006 12:41:43 PM
Should be good.
Ok, so Hellboy didn't make $300 million... by iron pills	Aug 5th, 2006 01:02:16 PM
I still thought Hellboy was a great comic book film, and I never read an issue of the comic in my life. But I loved the characters, the whole angle of the BPRD investigating scary paranormal happenings, and for a movie that didn't have a huge budget, I felt the effects more than held their own against some other effects heavy movies. Now, at least the second movie will have a couple of things going in it's favor; 1. They set up the main characters already in the first film. 2. godoffire brings up the second point, with the animated features, there will be a lot more awareness of the character, being watched by millions of viewers, potentially many who will probably discover Hellboy for the first time. And really, who didn't feel that the first Hellboy movie wasn't better than some of the more recent offerings from Marvel. I'm the biggest fan of Marvel characters but really, they've had their good (Spiderman, X-men) their o.k. (Fantastic Four, Punisher) and the bad (Elektra: need I say more?)So yeah, pretty excited about Hellboy 2! I often hear about a character named Johan the Ectoplasmic Agent, can someone enlighten me?
Hell, while we're at it, why not a Daredevil "reboot".. by iron pills	Aug 5th, 2006 01:19:39 PM
A green screen, Miller directed or co-directed, a'la Sin City, Daredevil movie. It can bring back the character without doing an origin story, sorta like Superman returns, if they don't want to bring back everyone from the first Daredevil flick. If not the director, at least the cast. Daredevil is a hero of the night anyway. I can just imagine some of the lighting and angles in some scenes in this newer flick, if it were ever to come true. Picturing Daredevil brooding, Spidey 3 style, on top of the church that he fought Bullseye in. Rain pouring down like that scene in Sin City with Marv in front of the statue of the clergyman. Thunder booming, lightning flashing, Daredevil filtering out who needs help the most, then proceeding to kick ass... If not Daredevil, how about Punisher?
Marv was just like the Punisher in Sin City... by iron pills	Aug 5th, 2006 01:24:40 PM
anyway. Getting revenge for his one true love. A Punisher movie in this Marv vein with Frank Castle being as brutal as Marv in Sin City could work for me. Well, for me at least...
Yeah...yeah... by KubrickFan69	Aug 5th, 2006 01:32:13 PM
I loved the first Hellboy, it wasn't anything mindblowing, but it was fun, with great performances and unique action. I want del toro to do a part II no question, but i really wanted him to do Halo first. bitter sweet news.
Screw-On Head by cerebulon	Aug 5th, 2006 10:15:03 PM
Hey I didn't see any mention of it on this site but did anyone catch the Amazing Screw On Head on SciFi??? They got the episode on YouTube with links to tell Sci-Fi that you like it or not. Looks like if they get enough hits they will make it a regular show.
In response to jayjew by Frgl_Rockatansky	Aug 6th, 2006 06:12:29 AM
Tell me... why couldn't they have done a SIN CITY-type film with VFV? Huh? You see, this is the difference between 'ADAPTATION' and ADOPTION. When you have a film like BB or SPIDER-MAN or SUPERMAN or even BLADE, you've got literally hundreds of issues of source materiel. You can pick and choose. With something like V or SIN CITY or LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN (which I truly consider to be one of the worst films EVER and it makes me happy to think that Norrington brought about his own demise with that ultra shit film), you've got only about 20 issues MAX. So fuck that idea. And thematically, sure... there's a lot carried over. SO? Theme and visuals do not a good film make. You've got to BELIEVE that V is doing something important, not just for himself but for the people... who in the film, aren't cowering in the shadows afraid of their every move being watched... they just seem bored. And don't hand me the "They've been frightened into complacency" bullshit either in the film's defence. This is a film that, in retrospect, isn't even really a good film. There are some good performances, but the writing and direction leave a great deal to be desired. This is what I'm talking about as far as ADOPTION, which is what this film was. The Wachowski's and Joel Silver and James McTeigue made this film their baby, not really realising it belonged to someone else first. When I heard that they were making V and WATCHMEN and they had signed McTeigue for V and Paul Greengrass for WATCHMEN, I thought that these directors should be switched out. Greengrass would have brought the grit and grime of London town to V, and McTeigue could have brought the shiny, slick, effects-heavy background to WATCHMEN. And fanboy devotion is what makes films like this work most oft. With SIN CITY, Rodriguez would NOT make the film unless Miller was making it with him, which is why SIN CITY is such a great film. And sometimes, it's the sub-plots that are the most important parts of the story. Excising VITAL sub-plots made the film weaker THEMATICALLY... in terms of its political commentary, and made th film seem, to many who have seen it and have posted here, to be an assault on American foreign policy when the initial tale was a comment on British domestic policy. That's what happens when you have ADOPTIONS instead of ADAPTATIONS. Do we really think that all this "Bush Sucks" shit was intended in the film? No, but that's what a great many Americans took out of it because of Hollywood's "Liberal Agenda". These are the same mental-defectives that claim that Palpatine in ROTS was Bush. But that's neither here nor there. V could have been an adaptation, but the filmmakers chose adoption. Which is why, as a film and as a cautionary tale, it failed. It's not just because I love the books. It's because I also love cinema and it can work better with such tremendous source materiel.
You know, as a first/origin comic book movie... by Childe Roland	Aug 7th, 2006 08:03:34 AM
...I thought Hellboy did just fine. It was visually perfect and hit all the right beats in the telling of the character's origins. Sure, the subsequent story took some (a lot) of liberties with the source material, but it was still pretty entertaining. Not the best comic movie ever (I probably still give that title to Spider Man 2), but not bad at all. I'll see a sequel.
SHATTERED by rightarm4Rosario	Aug 7th, 2006 12:33:00 PM
... I'm truly shattered that there will be no GOBOTS movie in the near future ... I hadn't heard anything about them being folded into the Transformers - Is this true? If so, what happened to the Motorcycle-Transforming "Megatron-Knockoff" bad-guy? Haven't seen him around, and he was pretty cool, for a GOBOT. Also - In the case of a possible Transformers sequel - how about Rosario Dawson for "Circuit Breaker?" Google "Circuit Breaker" and "Transformers" for info. She was in the 80s comic.
Batman Begins VS Vendetta. by Arche Logos	Aug 8th, 2006 04:51:47 PM
Katie "Can't act worth a shit so had to hook up with Mr. Crazy Cruise" Holmes VS Natalie "The godess" Portman. 'Nuff said.
Hellboy and Blade II rocked...you dumbfuck haters by quantize	Aug 9th, 2006 04:45:19 AM

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