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THE DARK KNIGHT will be protecting Gotham from Heath Ledger! Confirmed by WB!!!

first? by Sublimefn87	Aug 1st, 2006 12:31:59 AM
maybe
second? by warsinthesun	Aug 1st, 2006 12:33:23 AM

2nd? by ewokstew	Aug 1st, 2006 12:33:59 AM
And, who cares...
Captain Panaka... by BNITT	Aug 1st, 2006 12:34:22 AM
I hope the actor who played Captain Panaka is in this one! You need a one eyed cynical bastard in this movie!!! LONG LIVE CAPTAIN PANAKA!!!
Hopefully there is no brokeback action by JoeyRusso1290	Aug 1st, 2006 12:34:57 AM
I had to be the one to say it, you knew it was coming. Oh and if you want to win a Descent theatrical poster go to this link... http://www.movietack.net/r971- the-descent-review-and-contest -movie-feature.html
Heathy by ewokstew	Aug 1st, 2006 12:35:17 AM
Sorry, can't see it.
brokeback joker by RedScab	Aug 1st, 2006 12:35:44 AM
Well I trust Nolan, just can't see this guy as the Joker. But you gotta love the title. FRACK YEAH, FIRST!!!!!!
George Costanza once said by MapMan	Aug 1st, 2006 12:36:40 AM
"Well, I'm satisfied." And so am I. Batman is in capable hands once again.
yuck by invalid entry	Aug 1st, 2006 12:36:56 AM
heath? gawd. Hope it proves me wrong.
First!!! by FFRewind	Aug 1st, 2006 12:37:03 AM
To say, "BrokeBat Mountain". Okay, now no one can think it's funny. Carry on.
VERY disappointed by MrBook	Aug 1st, 2006 12:37:11 AM
I'm sorry, I really thought Crispin Glover would've been perfect. On the other hand, I have trust Nolan's instincts, and I'm sure the movie will still be great.
When's this puppy coming out anyway? by MapMan	Aug 1st, 2006 12:39:26 AM
Is there a date? A year?
Jake Gyllenhaal as Harvey Dent by Hell's Cigarette	Aug 1st, 2006 12:40:20 AM
Talk amongst yourselves.
Nolan's instincts by JoeyRusso1290	Aug 1st, 2006 12:41:09 AM
I would have to agree....Nolan did cast the first pic ALMOST perfectly.....I'm sure he saw something in Heath we all didn't.
Ledger plays great villains by Horace Cox	Aug 1st, 2006 12:44:14 AM
Heath Ledger garnered rave reviews for his portrayal of The Poker in Brokeback Mountain.
Let's see how well Ledger can pull off "maniacal" by Mr.F.N.Sunshine	Aug 1st, 2006 12:46:04 AM
I haven't seen anything in his body of work that suggests he can or can't do it.
about time quint by peopleintrees	Aug 1st, 2006 12:47:32 AM
lay off the pot, this news is old
please don't let this suck. by VoodooV	Aug 1st, 2006 12:50:45 AM
Nolan has such a good thing going here. Please don't let Joker just be some laughing idiot in clown makeup....PLEASE the guy has to be totally psycho. like..Silence of the Lambs level of psycho y'know? And c'mon...lets get real with the clown makeup....getting dropped in a vat of chemicals is NOT going to make you look like bozo the clown ok? have some chemical burn marks...make it look messy..make it look REAL...just have it be vaguely clown like.
GONNA GET CRAZY IN HERE by THE KNIGHT	Aug 1st, 2006 12:52:06 AM
So let me get someting off my chest... I'm going to trust Nolan and crew with his decision to cast Heath Ledger as the Joker... To anyone who is having doubts but you enjoyed Batman Begins, I say go out on a limb and trust him also. They must obviously see something in Ledger that we may or may not see, so with that in mind, Summer 2008 couldn't come fast enough... Oh and Warners, please make sure the film has the best release date it can get... At least 2 to 3 weeks of no competition so Batman can make his money.... This is great news.... And yes, I've typed way too much... BALE DAMMIT!
Those fucking Spicks ..... by Darth Evil Dead	Aug 1st, 2006 12:53:36 AM
At Latinreview got it right again.. They broke the story weeks ago.. Good job.. Who said all Latin People are lazy? I like those guys... What ever rumor they come out with from now on I will believe with no doubt.. They can say Paris Hilton will star as Black Cat in Spiderman 4.. And I will believe those lazy fucks right from the start.. Anyways let the Brokeback Batman jokes begin !!! http://www.youtube.com/user/Da rthEvilDead
And Shannyn Sossamon as Harley Quinn... by Red Ned Lynch	Aug 1st, 2006 12:55:11 AM
...because Heath and she had such great chemistry in The Order and A Knight's Tale. Now my non-jerk reaction. Not impressed but willing to be. Just make sure Oldman and Caine are back.
ONE MORE THING by THE KNIGHT	Aug 1st, 2006 12:55:19 AM
I haven't read the talk back yet, will so in a minute but I'm going to assume that a few idiots will make tons of brokeback mountain jokes.... If there isn't one joke, I'll be extremely suprised...
Oh, and... by Red Ned Lynch	Aug 1st, 2006 12:55:43 AM
...Katie Holmes isn't.
Amazing by The Dum Guy	Aug 1st, 2006 01:03:03 AM
So it is true, the Joker is... what about Hoffman as the Penguin? Nice title, at least it's not "Batman Begins to Return". Not alot of "news" being reported round here lately, what ever happend to those vaguely confirmed rumors?
awesome. by mocky_puppet	Aug 1st, 2006 01:05:02 AM
i know a lot of people didn't like "begins". i watched it several times and really enjoyed it a lot, but then i guess i'm also half a retard. this really sounds good. and red ned is right: 86 the katie holmes, please. or katie cruise, whatever.
Should be called "Batman Continues" by Liberty Valance	Aug 1st, 2006 01:05:03 AM
Just kidding. But as lame as this suggestion is, is it really any worse than the uninspired "Batman Begins" moniker? What a bland title for such a fine film. No matter. "The Dark Knight" is a badass motherfucker of a title. I hope they stick with it unlike those cunts at Sony. If they had their way those marketing geniuses would change "Casino Royale" to "James Bond 21."
I wish you could quit your capslock key, Knight by BrandLoyalist	Aug 1st, 2006 01:06:46 AM
There ya go, The Knight, that makes four (if meta counts). "Brokebat Mountain"... heh heh, I think it's funny, FFRewind
Shannyn Sossamon could maybe be Catwoman... by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 1st, 2006 01:07:14 AM
but not Harley. If it's not Brittany Murphy cast a no-name, I can't think of anyone famous who could pull it off. And for those who keep saying Reese Witherspoon, stop for a second and consider what her take on a maniacal laugh would sound like... exactly, it'd be awful. Plus she has a Jay Leno chin.
I guess I'm ok with it by clockpolitiks	Aug 1st, 2006 01:08:19 AM
I thought the casting for begins was great, so hopefully they know what they are doing.
Mis Cast by Phategod1	Aug 1st, 2006 01:09:04 AM
should have been glover or Guy Peirce.
Croc by The Dum Guy	Aug 1st, 2006 01:11:30 AM
The Killer-Croc dude from the animated series should be played by Ron Perlman. Now everyone list who should be the next character/villain in the sequels, and Crispin Glover is not valid any longer.
I heard Heath would only do the movie... by Darth Evil Dead	Aug 1st, 2006 01:12:36 AM
If they brought back the bat nipples on the costume.. He wanted to have something to suck when Batman frisk's him. He said the Black Leather turns him on and makes his cock explode with white Joker Juice that he will spread on his skin, to give him the white color he needs for the part. Everything I said up above was a test.. It was a test for the Broke Back Batman Jokes of America Association that will be starting up on TV and Blogs across america in the coming days. Be warned this is only a test. Many lame jokes will be on talk shows and blogs.. Be ready for their lame ness.. You have been warned!!
oh, and The Dark Knight is a badass title, hope... by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 1st, 2006 01:13:44 AM
they stick with it. Skeptical on Heath, I didn't even consider him, but I trust Chris Nolan. I sure as HELL don't trust David retard Goyer though. Get that man the hell away from the script!
The Dark Knight! I love it! by Bean_	Aug 1st, 2006 01:20:29 AM

"OMG" by The Dum Guy	Aug 1st, 2006 01:20:44 AM
"Brokeback" is one word. I'm sure your attempt to warn us of the impending "Joke/Broke-back" jokes is of due concern, however your a week late.
Who should play who... by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 1st, 2006 01:21:20 AM
Jude Law would be a fantastic RIDDLER. Liev Schrieber for TWO-FACE, unless they want to add some color in which case obviously Denzel, though I doubt he'd do it. Definitely Brittany Murphey as HARLEY. Martin Short would be the perfect MAD HATTER. Ben Kingsley as The VENTRILOQUIST, MR FREEZE, or the CLOCK KING. Or Patrick Stewart as the VENTRILOQUIST, the CLOCK KING, or MR FREEZE (the best Mr Freeze was the deathly serious one from the Animated Series, and Kingsley and Stewart would be perfect for that). Or Jonathan Pryce for the VENTRILOQUIST or the CLOCK KING. I think Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson could pull off BANE. Andy Serkis would be a good PENGUIN. Angelina Jolie for CATWOMAN or possibly POISON IVY. Actually, Diane Lane, or someone similar could work as POISON IVY. Michael Massee as ZSASZ. John Cleese would have been a great Joker back in the day. Will Arnett for CLAYFACE. Mickey Rourke as KILLER CROC. James Spader as BLACK MASK. If we're really reaching for characters, Brad Pitt as HUSH. And I guess that's it.
I think he'll be ok by mrevilbreakfast	Aug 1st, 2006 01:23:22 AM
Benefit of the doubt has to go to Nolan, the guy hasn't let us down before, he's not going to start with a massive casting fuckup for a major character in what could be the biggest film of whatever year this will be released in. Ledger is cool, check out Two Hands for proof of that. And he has a brilliantly crazy (motherfucking perfect) grin on his mug too, which could only help.
Gotta wonder if they'll include Harley Quinn in this... by Doc_Strange	Aug 1st, 2006 01:26:02 AM
She is an essential link to the Joker, almost like his connection more or less to humanity. I wonder if she'll show up in the movie or in the inevitable sequel if it does well.
Actually, Christopher Lloyd should be the Clock King. by iamnicksaicnsn	Aug 1st, 2006 01:26:26 AM
There we go.
I'm sorry Dum Guy, but I never seen the movie.. by Darth Evil Dead	Aug 1st, 2006 01:28:57 AM
I know Broke is a word on its own, and Back is a word on its own according to the dictionary. Though I did not know the title was put together like that. I don't have the movie on DVD to wack off to 7 times a day like you do Dum Guy. So I'm sorry I defaced your favorite movie. I will go to your "Queers and Steers Brokeback Mountain Movie Fan Club" page that your the President of, and leave a message saying I'm sorry.
I don't see it at all by I Dunno	Aug 1st, 2006 01:33:59 AM
Crispin Glover was such an obvious choice and Ledger hasn't done anything to suggest he can pull off the psychotic/scary Joker that everyone wants, instead of the silly, campy ass Joker we'll probably get.
Fascinating casting choice. BRILLIANT title. by one9deuce	Aug 1st, 2006 01:34:21 AM
THE DARK KNIGHT is such a great title. Will they stay with it? Hopefully. Like a lot of you I don't immediately see Heath Ledger as The Joker, but he is immensely talented and I'm looking forward to his interpretation. I haven't looked forward to a film this much in a couple of years.
Darth by The Dum Guy	Aug 1st, 2006 01:34:52 AM
Actualy, I do wack to the Brokeback when that Princess Diaries chick takes off her top (just push pause and you can get a real nice frame). You know that homophobia is a sign that you might actualy be gay, so just to let you know, watching a movie about gay people doesn't make you gay.
FUCK YEAH! by hiperaktiv	Aug 1st, 2006 01:40:18 AM
This shit is gonna rock the fucken house. Mother fucken Heath Ledger would make a great fucken Joker and mother fucken "The Dark Knight" is a fucken great title. Bale and Nolan were a great fucken combo for the first movie. Fuck yeah. This shit rules. Fuck.
LOSER CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Orionsangels	Aug 1st, 2006 01:43:19 AM
That's it the franchise is over. You don't need to cast big names. It's all marketing crap.
JAKE GYLLENHAAL as HARLEY QUIN!!!! by Rearden	Aug 1st, 2006 01:48:34 AM
No? Well ... we can always hope.
Could work by Kronus316	Aug 1st, 2006 01:52:40 AM
I would have rather seen Adrian Brody as the Joker, but I think Ledger could pull it off. I just hope they don
subtitle? by Jubba	Aug 1st, 2006 01:53:33 AM
anyone think they'll wuss out and go with Batman: The Dark Knight? they could do this to make sure people who casually see the title know it's a batman movie and not something from monty python, for instance
Thank you Rearden For.... by Darth Evil Dead	Aug 1st, 2006 01:54:22 AM
BrokeBack Batman joke #314.. Your joke will be assigned a number so it cant be copyrighted by all the media and blogs that are going to have fun with this. So if someone uses your joke without permisson. They will have to pay you royalties. This message was paid for by the Brokeback Batman Jokes of America Association.
Awesome fucking title! by Trancer	Aug 1st, 2006 01:55:34 AM
If the movie lives up to it (and it should), it's gonna be fantastic.
Killing Joke by Det. John Kimble	Aug 1st, 2006 01:55:38 AM
Heath needs to lose about 40 pounds to be jokeresque. Personally I was hoping they'd get Adrian Brody to do it.
Amazing by messi	Aug 1st, 2006 01:56:08 AM
Totally BADASS title. Incredible casting. since we know he can act and we haven't seen Ledger play a psycho. We would have known what to expect from Betanny, Hugo Weaving. So this is an awesome choice. Apparently an offer has been made to Phillip Seymour Hoffman too as the penguin. What an awesome title.
joker goes spelunking into batman's cave by Jubba	Aug 1st, 2006 01:57:10 AM
that's copyrighted now too
I am totally behind this casting!! by Rearden	Aug 1st, 2006 01:57:57 AM
For THREE reasons: A.) Heath is really coming into his own as a powerhouse actor (BBM was amazing), B.) B/c I cannot picture him as the Joker I am immediately intrigued (I must see this!), and C.) It indicates a very positive direction Nolan is going with the character, as I can see Ledger playing a truly frightening Joker, rather than just a ham, who we can actually take seriously as a threat ... which is exactly what this character needs.
RE: Jake Gyllenhaal as Harvey Dent by PirateEmery	Aug 1st, 2006 02:00:09 AM
Uh... Nolan wouldn't do that after the miraculous rebirth of the Batman franchise. Both Brokebackers in the same movie? No one is going to take it seriously! OTOH, kudos for the new title. Being a big Batman fan since my early years, I still enjoy the references of him being The Dark Knight.
Thank you Darth... by Rearden	Aug 1st, 2006 02:00:20 AM
...for pointing that out. The one thing you fail to recognize: My joke was the best. Try to top me ... I'm listening.
Bat nipples? by Rearden	Aug 1st, 2006 02:01:52 AM
That just won't cut it.
once again by BadMrWonka	Aug 1st, 2006 02:02:00 AM
Darth jumps into the talkback with a welcome mixture of bad jokes, bad grammar, bad spelling, and bad punctuation...I missed you bud! you still think Scarlett has a-cups? check out the miami vice talkback for a link...on a side note, anyone looking for a little 90's nostalgia (you weren't born, Darth, don't sweat it) download 'Sad Sweetheart of the Rodeo' by Harvey Danger...good memories!
I'm with you Wonka. by Rearden	Aug 1st, 2006 02:03:38 AM

Nolan casts actors. by Barry Egan	Aug 1st, 2006 02:07:04 AM
Not look alikes. Ledger is a really talented actor and should be great in the role. I am glad that Nolan is casting in this method.
Ledger did "Manic" pretty well in Lords of Dogtown by Tall_Boy	Aug 1st, 2006 02:08:35 AM
Yeah, lots of scenery chewing and yelling and screaming in that one. Can see him do Loud. Which is Jokertastic.
ledger by BadMrWonka	Aug 1st, 2006 02:09:22 AM
I'm not upset by this at all. I was less concerned by the casting, than worried that the studios might pressure this character into being a comic foil. I've never read a comic book in my life, so I'm sure many of you will immediately discount my opinion, but still. tim burton's batman universe was a wacky one, and so Jack as the joker made sense. but batman begins was a more substantial and cohesive movie, and if they want to continue the franchise in the same direction, with the same batman and the same director, they should keep the villians in the same vein. nothing in batman begins was wacky, and even though it's "the joker" I agree with Rearden, I want someone truly threatening, and actually, fundamentally schizo...that would be interesting to see...
A case of bad timing. by WacksOnWacksOff	Aug 1st, 2006 02:11:46 AM
Should've given Ledger more time to win the fanboys over, doing something sinister or maniacal in another movie. With that said, sounds interesting, I'll buy it. Personally, I'm sick of the maniacal crazy cackling Joker. I want evil, pure evil, like the Joker of the 80's and 90's comics. And despite what you say, you know you're gonna see it anyways. Anybody who says otherwise is lying. After all, you and I both had to see Batman and Robin at some point in your life in order to claim it to be the piece of garbage that it is. If this ends up being another Batman Begins, great! If not, you can't avoid the inevitable outcome which is, you will watch it anyway.
it muddies the waters... by Son of Batman	Aug 1st, 2006 02:11:49 AM
So, now we'll have three seperate entites that can be refered to as "Dark Knight." One excellent, one inconsistent, and, judging it merely through the first try, one ridiculously bad. That sucks.
What the fuck Wonka? by Darth Evil Dead	Aug 1st, 2006 02:12:10 AM
Why dont you take your one hit wonders Havery Danger and shove a Flagpole Sitta up your ass.. Wait..that might be BrokeBack Batman joke number 325. Ummm..by the way the jokes are not ranked by how funny they are Reardon.. Just by what order they come into the patten office.
Would it kill them... by UMAGA	Aug 1st, 2006 02:14:21 AM
to mention Equilibrium as movie Bale has starred in?
It will be good. by werideatdusk	Aug 1st, 2006 02:15:27 AM
I am 100% behind this project. Though I still want to call it "Batman Continues," just for the humor value.
Yawn. by kintar0	Aug 1st, 2006 02:15:39 AM
Whatever. I think they shouldn't let anyone direct/write more than one Batman movie. Viva le diff
What's a "patten office," Darth? by milla jovovich	Aug 1st, 2006 02:17:17 AM
Mexico's boring if you're not near a city or a beach.
i hope they tone down the joker by El Borak	Aug 1st, 2006 02:21:12 AM
a little bit. i liked nicholson but i can't see ledger doing that without being annoying as hell.
Hey, Darth... by Rearden	Aug 1st, 2006 02:23:51 AM
That's "REARDEN" not "REARDON." I guess the half-dozen times it was spelled out above was insufficient. (that and "patten office")
I just don't see him as The Joker. by Psyclops	Aug 1st, 2006 02:25:13 AM
Heath is a fine actor but I can't even picture him in the role. I've never seen a performance of his that was the least bit creepy or off the wall, nothing that would lay the groundwork for the kind of character that the Joker is. I do trust Nolan and I hope he sees something in Ledger that an audience has yet to see.
FOR ALL THOSE WHO WANTED BETTANY, GLOVER by messi	Aug 1st, 2006 02:26:33 AM
the problem is that if they got cast we'd know what to expect, Bettany has played psychotic 'evil' roles so many times, that he'd be playing 'psychotic evil paul bettany' not the joker.
The 2 by Darth Maui	Aug 1st, 2006 02:27:23 AM
"Brittany Murphy as HARLEY. Martin Short would be the perfect MAD HATTER." Those choices actually make sense. Therefore they are not likely to ever happen.
Joker will be extreme by messi	Aug 1st, 2006 02:29:51 AM
well batman on film who are never wrong got it from sources that there will be a backstory on the joker(don't know if it's the killing joke), we wont see him till mid way and he will be extreme rather than ludicrous ala jack nicholson. It's a dark crime drama and joker is definately a psycho.
Psyclops... by Rearden	Aug 1st, 2006 02:29:54 AM
I understand your reservations. But what is important in cating is finding great actors who demonstrate genuine talent and versatility, not just asking them revisit roles they have already played. In Ledger's case, nothing in his history did "lay the groundwork" for his role in BMM. But he delivered something new. Something unique. And I think that's what we can expect from his turn as the Joker.
No shit! by b3mike	Aug 1st, 2006 02:31:55 AM

Hey BNITT......... by sith-vol	Aug 1st, 2006 02:34:44 AM
.........I know I'm going to regret this...but Hugh Quarshie played Captain Panaka in Episode One: The Phantom Menace, and he had two eyes.........Jay Laga'aia played Captain Typho...the aforementioned "One-eyed cynical bastard" in Episode Two: Attack of the Clones. Oh and fuckin a I think Ledger is a great choice.
News travel slow around here by b3mike	Aug 1st, 2006 02:36:21 AM
You guys do know that there's other sites that confirmed this hours ago right? Who I'm I kidding the stereotypical talk-backer is on here 24/7.
Sorry about the Spelling Error's by Darth Evil Dead	Aug 1st, 2006 02:37:32 AM
But all the blood in my head is in my cock right now. My friends mom who lives a couple of houses down from me.. Is giving me head right now. She s 42, but man can she suck a cock. And if you kind of squint..she looks like Meg Ryan. When I was writting before she was giving me a Lap dance.. So the blood is flowing. In a couple of minutes, something else is going to be flowing. I hope she swallows, I just cleaned the carpets. Anyways I just love how when someone is in attack mode, and they have nothing to say. They go right for the spelling. 75% of the talkback messages have spelling errors and bad grammer. But when when your cock goes limp..I guess you have to attack something. Thanks for the grammer check boys. Im glad you care....splooge
Ledger and Nolan's Killing Joke? by CRanapia	Aug 1st, 2006 02:39:03 AM
OK, even though I thought Boreback Mountain was waaay over-rated for reasons political rather than artistic, it at least proved that Ledger can actually deliver a competent performance when he has a non-hack director and decent script to work with. Hard to tell with the astounding amounts of shit on his resume. My quibble is did Nolan really have to go with such an obvious choice of vilian? If he wanted to continue with the more 'realistic' noir-ish tone of BB, I'd love to see Two Face finally done properly. It's pretty hard to out-overact Jim Carey when he's on the all-caffeine diet, but Tommy Lee Jones did it. Still, I'm pretty confident the Nolan Brothers and David S. Goyer are going to construct a script that seriously de-camps The Joker, and bring it closer to the more dangerous, seriously bug-shit dangerous figure of Alan Moore's 'The Killing Joke' - though I doubt we're going to see Gordon's wife or daughter shot in the spine and crippled. And that's half the battle.
even though by BadMrWonka	Aug 1st, 2006 02:39:46 AM
I love a good rag on Darth as much as anyone, picking on him for his butchering of the English language is kind of like eating at Taco Bell and chugging a bottle of visine, then being surprised when you feel a gurgle in your stomach. shitty is shitty, there's no way around it. oh and Darth, thanks for mentioning the other of 2 hits by Harvey Danger, then calling them a 1 hit wonder. you missed your chance, if you'd called them a 2 hit wonder, I would have applauded you for finally putting together a coherent joke in your comment. things being as they are, I'll have to settle for being entertained by the continuous string of lame and child-like humor that you vomit out into the talkback. stick your finger down your throat and give us another one, babycakes!
Cinematography by Burt Nolan... by jollysleeve	Aug 1st, 2006 02:40:01 AM
....Score by Lester Nolan, catering by Wendy Nolan, and starring Nolan Ryan.
Give it up, Darth. by Rearden	Aug 1st, 2006 02:41:33 AM
or should I say "giv itt uP; dorrth"
Ledger's Fine, But... by Rebeck	Aug 1st, 2006 02:46:31 AM
Is Nolan going to cast every single fucking role with English, Australian, Irish actors. (5 of the leads last time) This may be the only "American Mythology" that's acted out completely by non-Americans. God knows if it were the other way a around, an English story made all-American, the Brits would be throwing an enormous transatlantic hissy fit. God forbid a Yank play Harry Potter! Oh my god!!! Nolan...are our actors that bad??
never mind by BadMrWonka	Aug 1st, 2006 02:46:46 AM
looks like you already did...friend's mom...lol, classic...I was pretty sure you were a kid before, now I'm 100% convinced...maybe stick to youtube, that seems to be the purview of semi-literate middle schoolers...AICN is for semi-literate college educated comic book nerds, and you won't be one of those for another 10 years...
"Have you ever.... by thecomedian	Aug 1st, 2006 02:47:05 AM
sodomized the devil in a tent by the pale moonlight?" I trust Nolan because this choice at least shows some thought and imagination. If they're doing the Killing Joke origin it's good because we need someone who can be a nobody, who wants to be a somebody and in a very twisted way gets his wish. That takes acting chops and someone who can make the pathetic schlub to Homicidal Aspiring Celebrity without falling back on dumb shit we'd expect. Most of the comedic actors in hollywood have the same bag of tricks they schlepp from role to role. There should be a creepy element of surprise with The Joker. I just hope they thin him out. Crispin Glover would have been god awful.
And still nothing about a rumoured threesome with Robin by GreatWhiteNoise	Aug 1st, 2006 02:50:11 AM
Seriously though, kudos to WB for some excellent casting. Ledger definitely has the acting chops to pull off what will be a make-or-break role for this franchise. Besides, can you imagine what a nightmare Crispin Glover must be around the set?
and actually... by thecomedian	Aug 1st, 2006 02:51:37 AM
"The Killing Joke" would be an even better title than The Dark Knight and they would neccessarily have to literally adapt the bits with him shooting Barbara in the gut and taking Gordon on the rollercoaster ride but they could just have to origin and tell a great Batman meets the Joker story.
the comdian by Rearden	Aug 1st, 2006 02:51:53 AM
"sodomized the devil." That was a good one. That might beat my "Gyllenhaal/Harley Quin" joke above. I concede. (and you're right about Crispin Glover)
"wouldn't neccessarily" "the origin" by thecomedian	Aug 1st, 2006 02:53:27 AM
"need sleepy"
At last 10 good reasons to hate this casting ... by Darth_Bogart	Aug 1st, 2006 02:55:50 AM
... exist. The strongest one is the fact that Paul Bettany completely stole Ledger's show in "A Knight's Tale". Seriously, although Heath may be all the rage right now there aren't many young actors who constantly delivered great performances the way Bettany did. He would have been the right person to wear da purple suit (If they really HAD to go for a young actor instad of taking fanboy-favourite Crispin). Pretty disappointed about Heath.
BRILLIANT! by zikade zarathos	Aug 1st, 2006 02:57:21 AM
WOW, great title and GREAT CASTING.
purple by BadMrWonka	Aug 1st, 2006 02:57:56 AM
actually, I bet they go purple, but in his introduction on screen, he'll be wearing an immaculately tailored dark purple suit, all pimped out. so he can have the color we all associate with the joker, but it won't be too campy...also, I just watched the original Batman tonight coincidentally enough, and the first seen with jack nicholson flipping the card around, and his intro, pre-Joker transformation is a REALLY good scene. very subdued considering the rest of the film...
Funny for a second... by FFRewind	Aug 1st, 2006 02:58:28 AM
All the Brokeback references were funny for a second. That's the fun of the talkback. But now that we get down to it, it seems likely to me by the casting choice that Nolan may take the Joker in a new direction. We comic fans immediately expect a wildly insane Joker (as he should be). Is anyone else afraid that Nolan's sensibilities will lead to a calmer, more darkly quiet Joker?
Wonka are you a groupie for Harvey Danger? by Darth Evil Dead	Aug 1st, 2006 02:59:09 AM
Are one of the guys in the band a fag like Lance Bass, and he does not want to come out..to destroy the bands "Fan Base". And your his Brokeback lover fucking him all night long on the road. Thats the only reason I can come up with for you not only bringing them up out of the blue in a Batman talk back, but then defending them. You have to be fucking one of those guys. Your mad that I called Harvey Danger a one hit wonder? Do me a favor.. Run over to "Glide Magazine" and tell them they are fucked up and have no idea what they are talking about..when they labled the Band a one hit wonder. Here's the link http://www.glidemagazine.com/6 /columns107.html Now you can go tell your lover and your other band-aids that you faught for there honor you "fag" pole bitch.. I love Brokeback Batman Joke week. This is fun..
Play the Joker as a straight up cold-blooded killer by dastickboy	Aug 1st, 2006 03:00:20 AM
I hope Heath doesn't try and do maniacal, I'd much prefer to see the Joker as a painted faced Hannibal Lecter whose mouth has a permanent rictus. Look at some of the scenes that Cillian Murphy did in the first film, when people play Super villians why do they always have to go with the googly eyes? No one talks about Murphy's performance because we've seen it all before. Take it somewhere new Nolan!
The Joker Auditions, great T.V.show. by hallmitchell	Aug 1st, 2006 03:05:06 AM
I would have a show where all of these actors would audition for the Joker. Robin Williams, Paul Bettany, Pee Wee Herman, Dwight Yoakam, Perry Farrell. It would be very interesting.
Such a relief not to read by hallmitchell	Aug 1st, 2006 03:08:49 AM
Crispin Glover as Joker. Not inspiring enougth. Heath as Joker is inspired casting.
Strike 1. Bale was lame as Batman. by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 03:12:37 AM
I've never shared my opinion on Begins, can you believe it? Christian was great as a younger Bruce, and the training stuff was excellent, but when he was actually Bats? >_< He tried to take the voice in a different,non-Eastwood direction, but it really backfired on him. I fucking cringed, during that scene where he's all up in the baddie's face and he he's shaking and doing that stupid godforsaken voice. Strike 2. Ledger was a poor choice, when there are so many other people better suited for the role. Yeah I realize Leary would never had got it (too old), but I, along with any person here can name a actor, or a dozen of them in their thirties that would have been better. WEll, at least it's not Nicholson. Strike 3. BAD FUCKING CHOICE OF TITLE. This implies that one day this series will possible adapt The Dark Knight Returns. (with this cast??? LAME) And even if they don't do that, it hurts a seperate DKR flick over confusion of the title. The only way I'll give a shit about this film, is if they redesign that fugly suit, specifically the cowl.
Barry Pepper for Joker by Bryan	Aug 1st, 2006 03:14:16 AM
Whoops, too late. I don't know, I have a hard time imagining it, but Brokeback Mountain (yes, a GAY movie, with GAY CHARACTERS in it, my god how will we ever talk about anything else again now that gay things have been mentioned? GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY) convinced me that he's a much better actor than I previously realized. So I'm interested to see what he'll come up with. As for Harley Quinn, I love the character but I hope they don't use her. I don't think she fits into the Batman Begins universe. The first movie worked best when Bruce Wayne wasn't in costume, they have to introduce those elements slowly, I think.
I agree the title should have been... by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 03:17:28 AM
Batman: The Killing Joke
You know QT would have been a great Joker! by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 03:21:07 AM
The catch for his version though, is his skin isn't bleached, nor is it makeup. It's booger sugar. :P
I don't pretend to be an authority, but... by FFRewind	Aug 1st, 2006 03:21:44 AM
Every beloved genre film should be titled: "We're posers. Hope you like it."
coulda, shoulda, woulda by crazyeyezkillah	Aug 1st, 2006 03:23:18 AM
The first film should've been a closer adaptation of Miller's Year One. Sure, it's a little light on supervillians, but it would've been a vast improvement on what we got. Then, this film should've been an adaptation of Loeb's Long Halloween. Then we could get a Killing Joke movie, or maybe an Arkham Asylum movie, or, fuck, a Death In The Family, or whatever the fuck. It could've been great.
Kristen Bell as Harley Quinn by Mr. Profit	Aug 1st, 2006 03:26:56 AM
Come on, Veronica Mars is perfect for the role.
And if Batman must have a new GF... Rachel McAdams.... by Mr. Profit	Aug 1st, 2006 03:27:32 AM

Debate what you want..but the movie will Own !! by Darth Evil Dead	Aug 1st, 2006 03:28:58 AM
How can any of you bitches watch Batman Begins, and then doubt this movie because of the casting and title? Nolan made me a believe. This movie will own everyone...nuff said. Heath Ledger was great in the Lords of Dogstown. I thought he was just a so called "Pretty Boy actor". But Lords of Dogstown threw that notion out the door. He is fucking great in that movie. So I know he will pull off the Joker. The Dark Knight is a great title. I was hoping that instead of Spiderman 2, we would have Amazing Spiderman, Peter Parker, etc. But we the studios thought people were to dumb to realize that it was a sequal. I still hope that the new Hulk movie will be called The Incredible Hulk.. But to call this movie The Dark Knight.. I will give it up to Nolan and the gang. Cant wait!!
One more thing.... by Mr. Profit	Aug 1st, 2006 03:29:03 AM
I loved Batman Begins. It was a great origin story IMO. I just feel that part 2 HAS to step it up with the action though. We got all the set up out the way. Now give me the action.
Rebeck... by friedgold	Aug 1st, 2006 03:29:52 AM
They may be played by Brits and Aussies, but at least your American icons are still being played as Americans, with convincing accents to boot (well, Tom Wilkinson excepted). How many times have us Brits had to put up with our home-grown characters being "americanized" to appease you folks over the pond? Constantine? David Brent? Er...Winnie the Pooh?(Oh Christ, I'm sure there are more but it's early...)
Harley Quinn by Animus	Aug 1st, 2006 03:30:32 AM
Should be played by Lindy Booth. Kind of a no-namer, but kinda not. Also, they should change the title of the movie to, "A Dark Knight's Tale".
You'll give what up to Nolan and the gang? by milla jovovich	Aug 1st, 2006 03:37:01 AM
Your ass virginity?
You know who would have been good for Constantine? by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 03:40:57 AM
That's if the character HAD to be americanized? Denis Leary. :P
Harley Quinn = the Cingular/24 chick w/the eyes. by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 03:43:02 AM
That girl is gonna be huge.
This is a British film... by ScarranHalfBreed	Aug 1st, 2006 03:46:58 AM
...and so hopefully the title will stay and not be Americanised. BATMAN 2: VENGEANCE OF DEATH or whatever. Doesn't mean the yanks at WB won't change the title though. And the Joker isn't meant to be a jokey character that tells jokes - he's a bloke that laughs manically as he sets children on fire and pisses on them.
The look by Thurid	Aug 1st, 2006 03:47:20 AM
I can really see them going with a "The Crow" look crossed with a toned down version of the cartoon Joker. A deep purple suit, with subtle white makeup, and a slight rinse of green in the hair. Nolan has shown he wants to keep this franchise within the realm of the somewhat possible. A muted, dark, genuinely psychotic Joker is ideal way to go considering the first movie. Also, am I the only one who wants to see James Earl Jones show up somehwere in this franchise? In any role. Wearing... Anything.
HI MILLA!!! :P by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 03:49:25 AM
Do you have any interest in the Quinn role? I'm sure they'll cast you in a heartbeat. As proven in the last film, they like to cast chicks that can't act. ;)
Friedgold... by Rebeck	Aug 1st, 2006 03:53:11 AM
David Brent has not been Americanized - I believe Steve Carrell has a different name and character to play. Winnie The Pooh...okay you got me there. But listen, there have been plenty of British actors that have done lousy, ridiculously flat nasal American accents. (Although Bob Hoskins' "bad" accent was always a lot of fun to listen to and I wouldn't change that one) We just don't get as mad about it as you guys do. We don't take it so personally. And likewise there have been many Americans who have acquitted themselves quite nicely in British roles - from Meryl Streep (obviously) to Johnny Depp to Renee Zellweger to...uhm, Spinal Tap. Okay it's very late here. But you get the idea. Let's face it, there's a double-standard and you know it. You all can come and plunder our films (and hey, you're pretty damn good, I'm not saying you're not) but if we come into YOUR neighborhood, we're the Ugly Americans forcing ourselves into and stealing your limited film opportunities. It's kinda'...bullshit. And I say that as a hopeless anglophile.
Scarrenhalfbreed, WTF???? by Rebeck	Aug 1st, 2006 03:58:46 AM
LOL! This is exactly what I'm talking about. In what parallel fucking universe is the next Batman movie a "British Film"?? You have got to be joking. Nolan is British and evidently the entire cast will be, but it's still funded by a little independent company called Time-Warner right here in America. Same as Harry Potter. The delusions are amazing...
Re: Rebeck's Unpatriotic Casting... by CRanapia	Aug 1st, 2006 03:58:49 AM
"God knows if it were the other way a around, an English story made all-American, the Brits would be throwing an enormous transatlantic hissy fit." Um, yeah, the American film industry is so fucking cultural sensitive - of course, when Rob Marshall and Stephen Spielberg cast all the Japanese female leads in Memoirs of a Geisha with "bankable" Chinese actresses the response is "get over it and stop being so politically correct". And I didn't notice Viggo Mortensen, Sean Astin or Elijah Wood turning down the leads in a certain highly profitable fantasy trilogy on grounds of not being of the same ethnic background as J.R.R. Tolkein.
Scarren by friedgold	Aug 1st, 2006 04:00:35 AM
Alas, by virtue of the financial backing, it's an American film, but take away the financing and marketing and it's probably 80-90% a British production (the vital contribution of Goyer a notable exception). Makes you wish we had some money to make some epic films in this country, don't it? And your description of the Joker is probably the most succinct and glorious one I have ever heard.
why can't I log in? by BendersShinyAss	Aug 1st, 2006 04:01:06 AM

As I was saying.... Quint you're mad. by BendersShinyAss	Aug 1st, 2006 04:06:07 AM
Ledger is inspired casting. Bale was NOT. Neither was that bloated ugly costume. All we need now is a nice lean dark Grey suite with a midnight blue cape and hood. THAT'S the batman I'm awaiting. Looking forward to the third one....'The dunamic Duo'. Anyone care to place some bets?
oh good by badbrain	Aug 1st, 2006 04:06:29 AM
Heath Ledger as the Joker? Ohhhh yeah, I've got a good Brokeback Mountain joke about that ... Oh, wait. Shit. Never mind.
I Agree The Casting Of... by Rebeck	Aug 1st, 2006 04:08:00 AM
Memoirs Of A Geisha was a huge mistake - one of many made on that film. Not because it was Un-PC, but because Japanese actors (and a Japanese writer) would have brought so much more richness and authenticity to the table. It also should have been in Japanese with subtitles. No argument there. But that still doesn't change my point, which I'm right about. You Brits are crazy sensitive about us coming there and taking roles, but the opposite happens time and again here and we don't blink an eye. Anthony Hopkins played President Nixon for chrissake and no one cared at all! LBJ was played by a Brit I cannot remember his name right now but you know who I mean. Who's insecure in this equation?
Yes Friedgold, By All Means... by Rebeck	Aug 1st, 2006 04:11:20 AM
Take away the financing and marketing. Annnnnnnnd, if the queen had balls she'd be king.
Fuck this film! by photoboy	Aug 1st, 2006 04:13:09 AM
I'm not gonna see it. Ledger sucks ass.
LOTR by Rebeck	Aug 1st, 2006 04:14:21 AM
"And I didn't notice Viggo Mortensen, Sean Astin or Elijah Wood turning down the leads in a certain highly profitable fantasy trilogy on grounds of not being of the same ethnic background as J.R.R. Tolkein." And they all did a great fucking job, didn't they? But...it still bothers you?
Bender, did you forget the 1 min cache's? by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 04:15:00 AM
It's been awhile since we've had a talkback this busy. And one that was this busy, this time of the day. My god, did everyone call up all of their geek friends and tell them to jump in this talkback? lol. I checked this site a few minutes before this story was posted, went to go play a little WoW and a few hours later BOOM, teh bitch had exploded!
Also, Bender, the blue will never, ever happen. by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 04:18:00 AM
Maybe a black and grey combo from Dark Knight....no forget that, theres NO WAY Nolan would go with the undies outside the tights look. No fucking way.
Rebeck by friedgold	Aug 1st, 2006 04:20:00 AM
Hey man, I'm not getting snotty about the talent exchange programme we've got going on across the pond, just having a playful dig that Batman may be casting lots of Brits, but they're still playing Americans. I can't recall a British film that took American characters and locations and made them all Brits in an English town. Although having said that, a Captain America starring Ray Winstone and set in Kent would be priceless. "Shut it Red Skull, or I'll chuck this fucking shield into your fat fuckin' face!"
BNITT by Seph_J	Aug 1st, 2006 04:21:11 AM
Panaka didn't have one eye, you dick. And the guy who played him, (Hugh Quarshie) is too busy filming episodes of Holby City. And Heath Ledger is not a very good actor really. And I think WB should get rid of Christian Bale, and replace him with Johnny Depp. And I think WB should get rid of Nolan, and replace him with Tim Burton. But nevermind.
Cashe? by BendersShinyAss	Aug 1st, 2006 04:21:21 AM
I seriously must be the only person who felt irked and cheated at the end of 'Batman Begins'. Hated the costume. Hated the casting. Hated the script. Hated the back story. Hated the soundtrack. Hated the car. Just hated everything about it. And yes, I'm a fan of the original movies, the 60's tv show and the DARK AS HELL comics and novels. Really think Batman Begins was made by monkeys.
We shall see... by VanLingoMungo	Aug 1st, 2006 04:21:30 AM
If Nolan plays the Joker as a totally psycopathic nutjob, I can maybe see Ledger. For the record, I give him the benefit of the doubt. Also for the record, people who waste the opportunity to post something constructive by yelling "FIRST!" are kind of an embarassment. Thought you should know.
And Rebeck... by friedgold	Aug 1st, 2006 04:25:26 AM
I love you, man. Sorry about Gordon Ramsey. Then again, you shot Lennon, so I guess we're even... x
truth be told... by Sleeperkid	Aug 1st, 2006 04:27:54 AM
Anything's better than Nicholson. And that's all I have to say...
RE: Cashe? by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 04:28:26 AM
"HEAVILY TRAFFICKED TALKBACKS WILL BE CACHED FOR ONE MINUTE" I was assuming when you said you couldn't log in, you ment you couldn't see the posts you...uh, posted. I had the same thing happen. It was the "Cashe".
Returns by joeypogi	Aug 1st, 2006 04:29:51 AM
should've been
No, I Get It by Rebeck	Aug 1st, 2006 04:29:56 AM
And the thing is, British and Australian actors are some of the best in the world. Whatever you guys are doing, you're doing it right. The Aussies are especially on a roll these days. I just think there IS a double-standard to a degree and it's stupid. The person who should play a role should be the person who can play it the best. Period. It shouldn't matter where the hell you come from, just whether you can pull it off. That's all I'm saying. Oh yeah, and why didn't they just make Kate Winslet a Brit in "Titanic" instead of a Yank? I love me some Kate, but she sucked in that because she never felt truly comfortable. It goes both ways and every which way.
Heath is a inspired choice by alpha	Aug 1st, 2006 04:32:44 AM
he's versatile and can pull of both the non entity pre accident Joker and the post accident psychopath. If they do it right the Joker should be as funny as Cancer. The whole point is the jokes aren't funny.
Love You Too, My Pasty-Faced Cousin by Rebeck	Aug 1st, 2006 04:32:44 AM
And I've already apologized over and over about the John Lennon thing. Oops. Thank god the US has really come down on handguns since then... Nothing like that would ever happen here in Colorado. (cough) And I'm ashamed to say this, but who's Gordon Ramsey? I'm serious.
by Seph_J	Aug 1st, 2006 04:34:14 AM
but loose
Darth Evil Whatever... by RetroActive	Aug 1st, 2006 04:36:13 AM
I knew I knew you from somwewhere! You're the brilliant mind behind, "All your base are belong to us". It makes perfect sense now. The translations had all been done by a third grader! Keep up the good work, and one day you shall earn a prestigous degree in "Engrish".
Don't go praising the Brits and Aussies too much. by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 04:37:25 AM
They have yet to master the southern accent. Example: Cold Mountain. (Of course, nearly all of the accents sucked in that film except Lucas Black's)
Hmmmm by Bruce Leroy	Aug 1st, 2006 04:38:07 AM
I don't know about this...I'm not really happy with Heath Ledger. Hope he's going to prove me wrong and knock it out of the ballpark with his performance. I want Joker to be scary not a funny buffoon. I really hope Heath is going to pull it off.
Rebeck by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 04:38:36 AM
Gordon Ramsey = Hell's Kitchen
BendersShinyAss / Debbie Downer by RetroActive	Aug 1st, 2006 04:41:10 AM
Fan of the 60's TV Show? You're opinion is about as credible as B & R's impression of walking up the side of a building in almost every episode. Seriously though, you hated Begins? I have a hard time believing you're a fan at all. Just a hater. Well, on that note, an early morning g'night to all.
Brody would have been better. by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 04:42:00 AM
just six years older than Ledger, so, he'd be young enough for it. He has the right build, but I'm not sure if he has the grin.
Shermy by friedgold	Aug 1st, 2006 04:43:29 AM
Yeah, we've got this weird "Gone with the Wind" gland in our brains that kicks in whenever a Southern accent is demanded of us.
Shermdawg by RetroActive	Aug 1st, 2006 04:46:13 AM
I do agree that Aussies struggle with a Southern accent, but Brits usually do well with it. Perfect example, Braveheart's Longshanks in "A Time to Kill". Vivien Leigh did a pretty good job in GWtW, too. I think Cold Mountain had more to do with being a bad movie. I mean, Renee Z. & Kidman both had pencil thin, perfectly plucked eyebrows, yet lived in a crappy cabin? Somebody throw some dirt and hair on those ladies to fit the time period, for pete's sake!
"If the queen had balls she'd be king." by ScarranHalfBreed	Aug 1st, 2006 04:46:23 AM
I don't know what the point is of this sentence. And is LOTR an American film or a New Zealand one? I say New Zealand cos it was made in New Zealand by a New Zealand crew. Hazzah!
A Time to Kill by RetroActive	Aug 1st, 2006 04:49:57 AM
Of course, the best accent in that movie was Samuel L.'s. "YES, they deserved to die and I hope they BURN IN HELL!!!!" Man, that movie blew.
Who is the Cingular/24 chick w/the eyes? by UltimaRex	Aug 1st, 2006 04:56:02 AM
Damn, I'm curious. (no, not THAT kind of curious before you lot start)
If the queen had balls she's be... by friedgold	Aug 1st, 2006 05:00:30 AM
...the single greatest tabloid story of the 21st century. That'd take the pressure off Bush and Blair for a while. Just in case it happens, here's your headline: "Her Nadgersty" Thank you. (Do you ever call them nadgers in the US?)
On topic... by UltimaRex	Aug 1st, 2006 05:02:12 AM
Title good, Ledger... wait and see, Chris Nolan on the script? HELL YES!
what kills me... by El Borak	Aug 1st, 2006 05:02:25 AM
about tommy lee as 2-face and carrey as riddler is how kick ass that casting was and how great it could have worked. ....sigh.... also, UMA as poison ivy! HOT! but those movies JUST HAD TO SUCK DONKEY BALLS DIDN'T THEY!!!! dammit....
Brokeback Batman (& Robin) by PietjePuk	Aug 1st, 2006 05:04:35 AM
I'm probably not the first to mention Brokeback Batman (too many talkbacks to read them all) but here is a link: http://tinyurl.com/r9rpl
also... by El Borak	Aug 1st, 2006 05:06:11 AM
brittany murphy as harly quinn is EXCELLENT! she's mad hot, but you know she's a crazy bitch.
A clue to how Ledger's Joker will be.. by Burning_Tyger	Aug 1st, 2006 05:08:57 AM
Everyone is saying they cant picture a Heath Ledger Joker. Actually, I think his Jacob Grimm in last year's The Brothers Grimm is a good clue. I didn't care for that movie, but Heath's character definately exuded quirkiness. I know quirkiness is not the outright psychopathia we need from the Clown Prince, but I think it gives you an idea of what may come. I personally think Heath is gonna shock everyone with how good his Joker will be.
it is good to see Goyer by emeraldboy	Aug 1st, 2006 05:12:36 AM
sticking to his guns. In 1989 he vowed, that if he was ever in charge of a batman movie he would not kill of the joker. Some time ago I contacted Garth Franklin about the then very early news that joker was coming and i asked how this was possible. And he gave some information from a source of his in Hollywood, who said the following. I cannot guarantee this is going to happen: Story goes something like this. We Meet the new happily married Mr and Mrs Bruce Wayne. But you will remember that Jonathan Krane let out all insane people out of the Ayslum. One of those was the joker. The joker swears revenge on Bruce Wayne. The joker Kills Rachel Dawson. Therefore robbing Bruce Wayne of his past, present and future. By day Wayne goes the legal route and uses some of his vast fortune track down the joker, another rumour is this leads us to the introduction of Harvey Dent who wil later become Harvey two face, who is acing as The JOkers attorney and wayne, uses him to put the joker on trial for Murder. i could be wrong and way off the mark but you never know.........
RE: Who is the Cingular/24 chick w/the eyes? by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 05:13:26 AM
Angela Sarafyan, who played the 14yr old sex slave (she's gotta be older) in season five of 24, and is currently in the Cingular wireless ads. Something I noticed in the IMDB filmography of hers though, is that it listed her as the sexslave chick, AND Sean Astin's druggie sister. That's gotta be wrong. Theres NO WAY that was the same chick.
Shermdawg by messi	Aug 1st, 2006 05:13:39 AM
wow sherm dawg, you seem to be in the minority, considering most people LOVED begins. You act as your opinion is fact except most people disagree with you. How can you cringe when Batman is interrogating Flass? That was so badass. If you were a criminal and some badass vigilante did that to you and screamed at you like that, you'd shit your pants. How can you know Ledger is a bad choice, for one he is a great actor and that's big enough to say he's not a bad choice. The Dark Knight is Batman's nicknames, one of. it was used before dark knight returns. It's stupid logic to think one day they will make the dark knight returns because of the title, though i hope they do. How is the suit fugly? Bale looks badass in that suit especially that pic where he is just standing there looking frontways. badass. What would you have preffered? Grey suit that looks ridiculous with black panties? Seriously you are stupid.
year one was not that great by messi	Aug 1st, 2006 05:15:01 AM
"coulda, shoulda, woulda by crazyeyezkillah August 1st, 2006 03:23:18 AM CST The first film should've been a closer adaptation of Miller's Year One. Sure, it's a little light on supervillians, but it would've been a vast improvement on what we got. Then, this film should've been an adaptation of Loeb's Long Halloween. Then we could get a Killing Joke movie, or maybe an Arkham Asylum movie, or, fuck, a Death In The Family, or whatever the fuck. It could've been great." - year one wasn't that good, i read it again after batman begins and what a bland movie that would have been, it's not profound, pretty pathetic origin. it isn't epic at all. batman begins on the other hand, was epic. the origin wasn't underwhelming like year one. become batman because of an omen? and first appearance is stopping some punks stealing a tv? The best thing about year one is the art, which is fantastic.
the best way i find to watch Batman and Robin by emeraldboy	Aug 1st, 2006 05:16:35 AM
Is as a comedy. Arnie is hilarious.
bendersshinyass need a shiny new brain by messi	Aug 1st, 2006 05:16:57 AM
now bendershinyass you are very retarded. that bloated ugly suit was badass. Bale looked like an animal and his build was perfect, if you wanted that dark grey suit with the panties then you should stick to the cartoons, they are good but they're still for children. Like you. "Cashe? by BendersShinyAss August 1st, 2006 04:21:21 AM CST I seriously must be the only person who felt irked and cheated at the end of 'Batman Begins'. Hated the costume. Hated the casting. Hated the script. Hated the back story. Hated the soundtrack. Hated the car. Just hated everything about it. And yes, I'm a fan of the original movies, the 60's tv show and the DARK AS HELL comics and novels. Really think Batman Begins was made by monkeys." See what happens when retards see something good, they think it's bad. How can you hate the backstory which was perfect, 100 times better than year one. the soundtrack was amazing, don't need an overused superhero theme, i need music in that film, and those who know music love the soundtrack, i listen to isis and cult of luna so that already makes me better than you. the car was badass. i have to admit that i didn't like it when i first saw it, thought it was ridiculous, till i saw it in action, then i wanted one, especially with the song 'mollosus' which is inspirational. A true batman piece of music.
You ever wonder... by MattCG	Aug 1st, 2006 05:18:31 AM
when geeks are going to come full circle and just admit they were wrong so many times before and trust in the knowledge that when the movie is released, it will either suck or clow and none of their stupid ass rambling (mine included) has anything to do with....well, ANYTHING? I await that day that Christians await the return of Christ: Eagerly, but pretty sure it's not happening in my lifetime.
Hey, we'd be even more pissed if it was Ryan Reynolds.. by DOGSOUP	Aug 1st, 2006 05:26:21 AM
...am I right? The key word in that casting choice was "fearless". They'll let Goyer go darker than we've ever seen before and Heath is going to be Sick. Someone who's willing to face his best role is in a gay romance for the rest of his career isn't afraid to play the Joker as disgustingly evil. This will be good....
emeraldboy by messi	Aug 1st, 2006 05:26:44 AM
hmm what you wrote sounds similar to stuff i've heard, not the mr and mrs bruce wayne. I don't think that would happen. but the one that makes no sense is joker swearing revenge on bruce wayne. why? i'm not sure if the joker would want revenge on bruce wayne for letting the joker out even though it was batman. and the fact he let him out, didn't exactly do anything to him, yes i know the joker is crazy and thinks like a psycho but he's fascinated by batman. he wouldn't know bruce wayne had any involvement.
wow messi is quite the flamer this morning. Ain't he? by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 05:33:22 AM
a. There are quite a large group of AICN's that aren't Batman Begins fans. Where've you been? And furthermore, I don't hate the film, I just think there are some really awkward/lame things about it, i.e.: Bale sounding like he was constipated.... And Ledger is a bad choice when you consider all of the other people that were better for the role. The reason he was picked was for HIS career, NOT for the property. Imagine, just imagine, a comic book film casted properly, instead of who's the "hot" guy at the moment.... By using Dark Knight in the title, is totally different than calling him that in the film.... "How is the suit fugly?" CAN'T YOU READ??? I SAID IT WAS THE COWL!!! Jesus. I assume you are new around here, but going around calling people stupid, and retarded, because they don't share the same opinion as you is nothing more than flaming son. I'm sorry if my definition of "badass" isn't the same as yours.
emeraldboy by Drworm2002	Aug 1st, 2006 05:34:18 AM
Bats will not be married...almost as bad as Supes having a kid
I guarantee you... by zacdilone	Aug 1st, 2006 05:35:49 AM
...that by the time this film comes out, the idiots at the studio will have insisted the word "Batman" be in the title. I would bet anything the title in theaters will be "Batman: The Dark Knight." Mark my words.
Ironic., a guy with absolutely no sense of humour... by LeiaDown&FuckHer	Aug 1st, 2006 05:36:01 AM
...in real life gets cast to play the ultimate in delightfully psychopathic clowns. I really, Really, REALLY hope and pray that he doesn't fuck this one up, as The Joker truly is my favourite character of all time. After all Nolan also cast Katie (talent vacuum) Holmes as well, so his eye isn't exactly spotless as far as casting goes, just usually pretty damn reliable. Hopefully it's reliable here too, and Ledger can pull of just the right balance of the darkly psychopathic and the whimsical jokester, and be able to turn between the two on a dime. Honestly I can't see Ledger pulling it off from a performance point of view (I can see him getting the Joker 'look' right from aphysical point of view however), especially as the vast majority of his performances, even the passable ones, have been almost entirely lacking in true onscreen charisma and magnetic personality, two things that are key to pulling off a great Joker. I seriously hope that Nolan sees something I don't, and that this isn't just a case of "big name" casting, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Right now I remain utterly unconvinced, but ever so mildly hopeful.
Just out of curiosity by Lost Prophet	Aug 1st, 2006 05:38:30 AM
what is happening with the Scarecrow? are they just forgetting him?
"the cartoons, they're good but they're for children" by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 05:44:22 AM
Really? Hmm, aren't the cartoons typically more faithful to the comics that spawned them, than the live action films? So what you're saying is the comics are good, but FOR CHILDREN also? Right? lol.
FUCK! by acebandage	Aug 1st, 2006 05:45:54 AM
Well, that news just ruined my day! I LOVED Batman Begins! I thought they did an amazing job! I thought the casting (Katie Holmes aside) was incredible! But now they've gone and fucked the series in the ass! Way to go!
Jenny McCarthy as Harley Quinn ! by darthbinks1220	Aug 1st, 2006 05:50:07 AM
Anyone seen Dirty Love? She's like the Lucille Ball of the new millenium.
I like the idea of Kristen Bell as Harley Quinn, too. by Prof. Pop-Cult	Aug 1st, 2006 05:51:15 AM
Her star is rising, and her feature debut, Pulse, looks pretty good. Bell looks, sounds and is age appropriate for the role. In another TB, it was suggested that Scarlet Johansson should be cast in a surprise cameo in one pivotal flashback scene as the Pre-Joker's pregnant, doomed wife. I think that she would be perfect in that role, since she has a luminous quality about her that could translate well in that bittersweet scene between her and Ledger as her failure of a husband, but whom she still loves.
Even more kick-ass: Thora Birch as Wayne's new g/f by Prof. Pop-Cult	Aug 1st, 2006 05:53:12 AM
Maybe she could even be Talia.
A Bottle Of Peach Schnapps + Mel Gibson = The Joker by YackBacker	Aug 1st, 2006 05:58:28 AM
He's a manic, suicidal mess. And I would gladly pay $10 several times over to watch Batman beat the snot out of that tired-ass loser. But regardless of that flight of fancy, THE DARK KNIGHT gets the 'ol fanboy juices flowing nicely. Too bad WB couldn't simultaneously greenlight a Superman sequel, but I completely understand their dillemna, with a hack-director and his stable of frat-boy writers threatening to lose even more money if they got the job, WB needs to carefully think out its next step with that franchise.
YackBacker by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 06:01:36 AM
What's to think about? ;)
Regarding a Superman Returns sequel... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Aug 1st, 2006 06:08:07 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if WB decides to drop Singer and go with another director. I could also see them keeping Routh but dropping Bosworth.
Sherm, okay, I'll bite... by YackBacker	Aug 1st, 2006 06:11:08 AM
MELTING OWL and UNSOCIABLE HAMMER 4ever!!!
coughMELTING OWL & UNSOCIABLE HAMMERcough by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 06:11:20 AM
You know they're considering it, especially if the sequel doesn't...er, fly.
Beat you to it, Sherm by YackBacker	Aug 1st, 2006 06:17:15 AM
Dude, I can set my watch to you.
I just read thru some of your earlier posts... by YackBacker	Aug 1st, 2006 06:19:07 AM
You were not a fan of BATMAN BEGINS? Do you think it was truly not a good movie or are you just pissed over a handful of details?
While Kristen Bell would make a nice Harley... by DOGSOUP	Aug 1st, 2006 06:21:59 AM
...I don't want to see her until the 3rd or 4th movie. Assuming of course they don't kill the Joker off like Tim Burton did.
Yackbacker by darthbinks1220	Aug 1st, 2006 06:24:40 AM
You read my mind about Singer's Supes flick. At ComicCon he spoke about 'Wrath of Khan-ing' a sequel. If somehow greenlit, I'd tell him to ditch the art decco sets, film noir sfumato lighting, Godzilla '98 cinematography, and the evil Superman III costume- for starters. Also, a plot with some relevance would be nice. Kevin Smith's "Death of ..." adaptation will probably be used. Singer's dismal failure both artistically, and box office wise make Nolan's Begins look like Casablanca on a micro-budget. I mean, come on, 260 million dollars spent on a Superman film? This is not Ben-Hur or The Fall of the Roman Empire. Even Waterworld and Craptanic are restrained fiscally by comparison.
No sir, I don't like it... by indiebum	Aug 1st, 2006 06:25:27 AM
But I'll give it a chance, because Batman Begins was one of the BEST cinematic masterpieces of the new millenium.
Harley doesn't seem to fit within the Nolanverse Batman by YackBacker	Aug 1st, 2006 06:28:06 AM
Nolan's pallete is pretty monochromatic-- he's gone and made a Batman story that has its roots in gritty crime stories. He's treating Batman as if he really exists, keeping the "fantastic" elements to a minimum. I don't see him changing that approach. So, unless Harley Quinn is re-written as a heroin fiend, I don't think her character and her collection of large-ass mallets will be showing up anytime soon.
Whiny Net Bitches by paulkirk	Aug 1st, 2006 06:28:46 AM
I may not see Ledger as Joker either, but Nolan has proven that he has a vision of Batman and he damn well proved it the first time out. Trust Nolan and shut the fuck up. Start filming something, anything. Give me a trailer of the screen tests.
Let me put my Order in Now. by Evil Chicken	Aug 1st, 2006 06:29:36 AM
I can
Before we turn this into a Singer-bashing talkback... by YackBacker	Aug 1st, 2006 06:35:06 AM
I can't help myself: I agree that his vision for a "Wrath of Khan" sequel seems so superficially silly it actually makes me realize he lacks a substantial grasp of the characters and stories. He took the fun out of the character in SR, and now he's going to go for blood by conjuring up a revenge story with some sort of villain-- possibly General Zod or gasp Lex Luthor AGAIN!!! Singer is spinning out of control. He bleeds money, he's overwhelmed by something that he can't control, and he has lost a lot of fan confidence. Time to pack it in, and move onto making smaller movies with Ian McKellen.
Please let Batman actually use his detective skills by Kizeesh	Aug 1st, 2006 06:35:32 AM
It was missing from Batman Begins, but Batman is supposed to be the worlds greatest detective as well as a thug-pounder. Also Heath will make a fantastic joker as long as they can make the story good enough.
THE FACTS! by connor187	Aug 1st, 2006 06:36:59 AM
Right then lets get a few things straight, the movie will be called Batman Dark Knight, not The Dark Knight, the Joker will were a mask and be a crazy fucking serial killer who leaves his calling card at every crime scene...listen to what Gorden says at the end of Begins, he talks about wearing masks and escilation. It will be upon his defeat at the end of the movie that he falls into chemicals, but he will survive and look disfigured and be in Batman 3...call it a hunch.
Re; LOTR by CRanapia	Aug 1st, 2006 06:37:06 AM
No, it doesn't worry me at all - plenty of Kiwi talent in front of behind the cameras without getting pissy about the ethnic correctness of the casting. I'd rather see a director cast the best actors for the role - and I just couldn't get my patriotic wing-nut gland pumping about that Welsh-born naturalised American git Anthony Hopkins being cast as Kiwi icon Bert Munro in 'The World's Fastest Indian' either. Sorry. And I really think you better learn the difference between the British people and the British tabloids, who are every bit as retarded and petty as the American variety. I didn't notice outraged Brits boycotting the LoTR trilogy. Just as the only people who got their knickers in a wad about Gilian Anderson's well-deserved best actress BAFTA nomination this year for Bleak House was some moron in The Sun. Shame she missed out, but perhaps she'll snag the Emmy for best actress in a mini-series.
And as for Superman by paulkirk	Aug 1st, 2006 06:41:27 AM
It wasn't a failure. And it certainly wasn't a dismal failure. It didn't meet expectations, but critically it fared well, the people I know (geeks and non-geeks)as well as the people in the theater enjoyed it, and it has made its money back with international box office. Cultural momentum was with Pirates and I think alot of fans didn't go for a second viewing. So while it's true that the movie isn't a success on the level that WB wanted, it isn't Poseiden. If you don't like the movie, then fine, but at least be realistic in your assessment of its performance.
Love the title by Zorak5	Aug 1st, 2006 06:41:40 AM
I've grown accustomed to the idea of Heath as Joker now. Nolan obviously seems excited about it, so it must be the right casting decision. And I know Harley's probably not in the film, but isn't it funny how Heath's wife Michelle Williams actually has the right face/body type for Harley Quinn?
Here's what I didn't like... by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 06:42:43 AM
Off the top of my head... Bale's voice as Bats. The cowl: the ears are just horribly wrong they curve inward way to much. I'm a artist, well, was a artist, and when it comes to something like this, it's more than just "pissy fanboy bitching". I hated Katie, waay too young for the role, plus she's not that great period. I thought the whole gas scenario was a bit tired also. I mean, when will comic flicks stop using earthquakes/laughing gas/riddler doohicky/frost machine/mutant recombobulator/cerebro brain scrambler/manmade sun/and krytocontinents as the basis of the conflict between the superheroes and villians? Sure it fits Scarecrow, but I hope that is this last we see of this type of plot device for awhile. Make it more personal. And last but not least, I'm one of the many people who thought the action scenes, especially the train fight was done piss poorly. Other than that, yeah, it was good. :P
Batman absolutely used his dectective skills in BEGINS by YackBacker	Aug 1st, 2006 06:46:57 AM
He pieced together the whole plot by Ra's before anyone else. Batman also gave Katie Holmes photos of the corrupt judge as "leverage" to push the prosecution against Falcone and his criminal organization. Batman figured out it was not only drugs being smuggled in by Flacone, and he followed that lead to the Narrows and found Dr. Crane's hideout. Everything Batman did in pursuing the plot against Gotham was done as a detective. take away the Batsuit and put him in a trenchcoat and you have yourself a detective movie all the way. What, he didn't play with his home-chemistry set? Come on! Maybe the mystery could have been more elaborate, but what's the point? To show how smart Batman is in unraveling intricate plots? Batman was 100% a detective in BEGINS.
Re; I like the idea of Kristen Bell as Harley Quinn, to by CRanapia	Aug 1st, 2006 06:50:16 AM
Well, her Emmy snub is reason #899,701 why they're a fucking joke. But I must admit that 'Pulse' isn't exactly getting my geek-senses tingling - especially when I saw the original on Sunday then looked over the media on the re-make website. (Reason #1,000,001 why Harvery Weinstein should be shot - buying up the remake rights to Kiyoshi Kurosawa's superb film, then refusing to release it.) I like Bell, but she really deserves better than something that's looking like another pimped out, dumbed down J-Horror travesty because we all know American audiences are sooo fucking stupid they need every plot point spelled out in flashing neon, and nice loud sound effects so you know when to be scared. Really, studio plants, please tell you evil overlords to stick to making moronic, pointless remakes of your own great horror movies and leave the rest of the world alone.
This is no fun without moviemack by Lost Prophet	Aug 1st, 2006 06:53:39 AM
and his insane hatred. Maybe he will go and get another ID and return with his usual bile. Also I finally saw SR last week and it was without a shadow of a doubt the worst film I have seen in a hell of a long time, it made BEGINS look like citizen kane, and I was pretty "meh" about begins. Howver, I trust Nolan- so this casting doesn't worry me. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't he the first to cast RObin Williams as a serial killer, and no-one would have thought of that, so maybe casting Ledger as the joker is equally inspired.
Sherm, you cover almost every plot in superhero flicks! by YackBacker	Aug 1st, 2006 06:55:02 AM
I think the motivation behind Ra's plot is interesting and his past with Bruce (that they come from similar starting points in their lives, having lost their loved ones to crime) made that ultimate showdown over Gotham resonate. "Give me time, these are good people!" Bruce implores Ra's before the start of the third act. That's cool shit in my book. I do not disagree that Katie Homes was a mistake, AND I also agree that the action scenes need to be improved for the sequels (pull back the camera and let us see Batman do his damage!). But I found it a very personal story, in a non-soap opera sort of way. This was a very interesting origin story, perhaps the best one for a superhero done in a long time (I like Donner's first Superman as an origin story too, but BATMAN BEGINS fits modern tastes a lot better). So, I found Bruce's wayward journey through the Narrows and Asia fascinating. We see Bruce die and Batman be born. This is in my mind great storytelling. Of course, Nolan can improve a lot, but he has the right ideas about this character, which is more than I can say about Singer & Superman, who's take is fundamentally flawed.
"Why do they keep using Joker???" by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 06:58:19 AM
Out of the seven Batfilms, he was only in 3 of them. And really only one of those counts. And that in that one, it was just Jack in makeup. This is a reboot my friend. Are you gonna ask "Why do they keep using The Penguin/The Riddler/Two Face/etc.?" in future talkbacks?
Oy, are we counting the Adam West movie??? by YackBacker	Aug 1st, 2006 07:00:41 AM
I refuse! I will relent on "Mask of the Phantasm" but no Adam West!
WELL.... by Nairb The Movie	Aug 1st, 2006 07:01:33 AM
At least this will free Crispin Glover up to do a billion other things.
"Other than that, yeah, it was good. :P" by Shermdawg	Aug 1st, 2006 07:02:43 AM
I actually meant that. (My private sarcasm jet is still in the hanger.) Like I said before, I dug the training stuff. I also really liked Caine, and Freeman. But come on, IT'S CAINE AND FREEMAN!
Liked "Begins" enough to go out on a limb . .. by Nice Marmot	Aug 1st, 2006 07:05:42 AM
. . . and trust Nolan w/ this casting. I was hating the rumor but now that its official, I'm just crossing my fingers. What about the Joker's smile? Do you think they will have a permanent one plastered on him like Nicholson's? Will they add some Mummy/Van Helsing CGI every time Ledger smiles? Or will they not do anything with an exagerated smile and just do the makeup & hair? And does everyone want Harley Quinn THAT much? The Joker alone, in Nolan's Gotham, will stand out. I think H.Quinn is too much.
You Can Be Sure... by Rebeck	Aug 1st, 2006 07:06:43 AM
I'm not referring to British tabloids, which are, from everything I've heard, much worse than their American counterpart. No, I'm going off comments I see on these talkbacks all the time. There's always some Brit with his panties in a twist about the terrible "Americanizing" of something or other. As if the very term "American" is a dirty word. (And BTW, I'm a diehard Democrat and Bush Hater, so don't go down that road) And if our pop culture is such COMPLETE SHIT why does it travel all around the world? It just gets old. There is a snobbery in a lot of Brits and what's even more maddening is that often you assume we Yanks agree and bow to your overwhelming cultural superiority. Again... Gets old. As for Hopkins as a Kiwi: I don't know why you would call a great actor like Hopkins a "git", but the movie sure did suck. Hands across the water, buddy - we're agreed on that.
Dark Knight IS NOT a great title... by future help	Aug 1st, 2006 07:07:50 AM
because this is not the Frank Miller Batman movie that we all wanted 20 years ago. So fuck you all that support that title. Just call it "Batman, the movie franchise continues"
Wait a second, hold the phone.... by I Dunno	Aug 1st, 2006 07:09:20 AM
Some asshole said that Scarlett Johanson has 'A' cups?
I Know, I Dunno by Rebeck	Aug 1st, 2006 07:13:35 AM
I still can't get over that either. LOL.
Attempting to prove I can do this/my Batman screenplay by JDanielP	Aug 1st, 2006 07:15:04 AM
In response to talkbackers, I have been attmepting to get off my ass and do something. But mainly, it has been to prove something to myself and to get that first screenplay under my belt. And in order to help in the process, I chose to write something that would be both a passion and a dream project: The sequel to "BATMAN BEGINS". And I realize that such a screenplay would have approximately 0.0 chance of seeing the light of day. But hey, that makes sense, given the subject. (heh,heh) Batman is quite the nocturnal character, you know. ...But for what it's worth, I'd like to say a few things about this dream project. If nothing else, maybe I can get a virtual "pat on the back" from my fellow talkbackers for the simple fact that I've been trying. I'm not an old guy, ...but I'm not a young one, either. I'm at an age where I feel silly for still having dreams of success in the entertainment world. But hey, it's fun. And I guess, in the end, that's all that really matters. ...Now, to get to the meat of this posting, ...I'd like to say, first off, that I approach such (as this) with some reality in mind. When I had read, all those years ago, that there was some consideration by Warner Bros. to bring back Jack as the Joker... for a sequel to "BATMAN", ...and I was reading about all the goody ideas of how they would do that, using black magic, etc... well, I went about trying to contact the right people, attempting to... well, ...I tried to share my ideas on how best to do that. And I'm still convinced those ideas would have worked. And if they ever wanted to go back in time and make that sequel, they could still do it within a video game, with actual voices (and/or likenesses). I really believe I had something. I practically had the entire Batman flick in my head. But who am I, right? So, in cutting to today, here I sit at my computer and posting in the talkbacks at aintitcool. And despite the sometimes vicious nature of at least some talkbackers, ...and I've been just as guilty as anyone, ...I'm going to say a piece about what I have in mind for the sequel to "BATMAN BEGINS". Now, I haven't finished the screenplay. At this point, I'm not sure I will. But if the heavens opened up and Warner Bros. and/or Nolan wanted to know what I've got, I'd send all my notes. I would prepare a package. And heck, ...if that was the case, ...I might even finish the thing. So, I'll say my piece. ...So, in considering reality, I had to consider the news (which I've read) that Katie Holmes would NOT be returning as Rachel Dawes. That's a major thing, in my eyes. And, from my perspective, it's better to not replace the actress under the same character. So, it was then that I discovered my plotline. Rachel Dawes is dead... and the mystery is "who" killed her. And that would be Bruce's personal objective throughout the entire story, his #1 priority, ...to find her killer and bring him/her to justice. So, I knew that much. And I knew that the Joker would be the main villain. And everything else grew out of that. And it has been quite a ride. I've learned so much... while I've lots left to learn. So, ...I had to make many decissions. I'm a HUGE fan of Batman and I'm quite aware of the character's history. And there was some personal debate about which characters to include and which characters not to. Oh, ...while I'm thinking of it, there have been a couple of coincidences along the way. Some talkbackers may accuse me of not being truthful but... I ha

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