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Holy Plot Twist! Big Big Spoiler from SPIDER-MAN 3! Read at your own peril!!

You are late saw this last night by JUSTICE41	Jul 5th, 2006 09:01:49 AM
You are late
First?! by herow/1000faces	Jul 5th, 2006 09:02:06 AM

Isn by eg4190	Jul 5th, 2006 09:06:18 AM
It seems like everyone Spider-Man meets eventually becomes a supervillain with crazy far-out powers. What are the odds that Peter would meet Norman Osborne or Dr. Octavius a day or so before they each turn evil? Now Sandman is going to be Ben
Lame by hebrokeaway	Jul 5th, 2006 09:06:41 AM
I agree, it'd be lame if they had Marko responsible for Ben Parker's death. Like having The Joker kill Bruce Wayne's parents. There's enough motive for Spiderman to go after Sandman without this. I hope it's the symbiote screwing with Parker.
if this is true... by Deadwood Dan	Jul 5th, 2006 09:07:30 AM
...it's lame! that's all.
Wake up Parker its all a.. by TheJimD	Jul 5th, 2006 09:07:31 AM
What the? Surely just a dream sequence in the making.. Ive got faith but is Mr Raimi taking liberties here?
Big Fuckin' Deal by StanDman	Jul 5th, 2006 09:08:40 AM
THis is a big deal? Not really. It actually works. Remember, this is also the same director that did organic web shooters and now we all live with that idea.
Making the fight personal by JohnGalt06	Jul 5th, 2006 09:09:05 AM
It could work if that's why Raimi and Co. think they need to do. It doesn't really matter either way in regard to the first film...as long as Peter's letting the robber go is still the cause of Uncle Ben's demise.
Gotta be a dream.... by Deak the Geek	Jul 5th, 2006 09:10:36 AM
it'd venom messin with pete's head
Sandman no longer Sympathetic? by abominate	Jul 5th, 2006 09:10:42 AM
If this is true, so much for Marko being a sympathetic villain where he's robbing because his daughter needs medical treatment or something like that. If he shot Uncle Ben, that's it--game over--he's a bad, bad guy and we don't feel sorry for him. But the bigger problem is this: Peter thinks he's partly responsible for Uncle Ben's death because he let the other robber (Poppajohn) get away. He'd have no reason at all to know that Flint Marko was involved, or was the trigger man, and Marko would have no occasion to divulge that info to Spiderman or Peter unless he knew that 1) Peter was Spidey and 2) that Ben was Peter's Uncle. And if Peter finds out that Marko did in fact shoot Uncle Ben, we lose a part of that "responsibility" theme we get from the comics, and the story as told in Spidey 1. No longer would Peter have that guilt complex. Oh sure, he'd still feel responsible because he's a super-guy, but if he goes after Sandman clearly it's a revenge thing (unless Sandman is putting someone else in harm's way). This is an interesting twist. Not a huge spoiler for me, but if it's "real" and not a "dream" sequence, very curious. I was kinda hoping for Sandman to be a bad guy who used his powers for once not to rule the city or destroy it, but purely for his own personal reasons, and have him not real be a "bad" guy of the mad scientist variety.
That would mean Sandy created Spider-Man by Terry_1978	Jul 5th, 2006 09:10:43 AM
Yeah, a tad contrived. Interesting, but contrived.
Holy old news!!! by -sfx-	Jul 5th, 2006 09:13:56 AM
CHUD had it like three days ago.
Going with a dream/Hallucination thing on this one by Joel@eeriepa	Jul 5th, 2006 09:14:20 AM
Although we don't really know the complete plot as of yet, I just don't see how Sandman could relevantly fit in to Uncle Ben's death. It certainly flies in the face of the comics, but if you think about the direction the films have taken, then it really doesn't jive with then either. Hell, who knows though- Part 3's are traditionally supposed to warp everything we thought was true. Did the Scream franchise teach us nothing? ;) www.cinemahell.com
maybe it's a hallucination created... by Holodigm	Jul 5th, 2006 09:24:13 AM
by MYSTERIO!!!!
Has to be a dream/halluc by chrth	Jul 5th, 2006 09:25:52 AM
It's not like Spiderman has the power in Unbreakable to see things from the person's past.
looks like a dream by MrFusion	Jul 5th, 2006 09:26:20 AM
i mena the picutres with the bright white really do look like a dream, it's gotta be the symbiote messing with parker
Meh.. by acroyear77	Jul 5th, 2006 09:26:49 AM

LOL moviemack. by Gilkuliehe	Jul 5th, 2006 09:33:01 AM
People who say "LOL" are gay.
I dont think theres any twist, sandman is bens killer by misnomer	Jul 5th, 2006 09:34:35 AM
theres a german script review outthere that said sandman is uncle bens real killer. And someone was asking how spiderman knows that he was there? it aint the syimbiote, Captain Stacy gives him the news.....
I wonder how long this thread will last? by misnomer	Jul 5th, 2006 09:35:43 AM
place your bets-my moneys on two days! ; )
its real by bigdrawz	Jul 5th, 2006 09:38:50 AM
because im dating Tommys sister thats what his real friends call him and he told me the whole plot to the movie toper is playing the richard pryor part to this superman 3 rip off tommys said the paycheck was good so he can get the wings movie off the ground they need some petro
I hate this kind of crap... by jollysleeve	Jul 5th, 2006 09:39:25 AM
...where they contrive to make characters in sequels somehow have something to do with events in their predecessors. I think they think it makes the story seem epic and clever, but instead it just makes the entire world seem small to the point of being incestuous. In my opinion it hurt The Gunslinger, BTTF, Star Wars, etc, and it will hurt this.
Sandman is innocent by the astroman	Jul 5th, 2006 09:42:42 AM
What about those pictures makes you think Sandman is responsible for Uncle Ben's death? If anything he looks concerned, like he's tring to comfort Ben. The robber is the one holding the gun.
I agree with the "lol" by Giz	Jul 5th, 2006 09:45:13 AM
as LF man would say: LOL! FAG!
comforting? looks more like hes got by misnomer	Jul 5th, 2006 09:45:59 AM
a gun to his chest.....
comforting? looks more like hes got by misnomer	Jul 5th, 2006 09:45:59 AM
a gun to his chest.....
I Also Heard Venom Sticks It To Aunt May by flamingrunt	Jul 5th, 2006 09:49:41 AM
and Peter walks in on them and Aunt Mays like bent over a desk and Venoms ploughing her from behind, screaming "Yeeeeeehar." And thats why peter parker doesnt like Venom
Who the hell cares if they are "Late" by SCYTHEOFLUNA	Jul 5th, 2006 09:52:37 AM
Justice 41 saw it last night.... ooooooh we're so impressed. Get over yourself you moron.
HIDDEN FACE IN THE TEASER IMAGE!!! by Shermdawg	Jul 5th, 2006 09:57:39 AM
http://tinyurl.com/q7www sigh Theres gotta be somebody else out there that see's it too, or will admit to seeing it, I should say. Sam knows I'm right. Don't ya Sam?sigh I'm so pathetic......Oh yeah, thats not that big of a deal having Sandman involved in Ben's death. At first, when I read that they brought back Cliff, I feared they might be doing a spidey-clone story of some sorts. Of course, Sam wouldn't do something that crazy. No, he just sticks hidden faces in teaser pics. ;)
That confirms the spoiler script summary I read by Engineer_at_peac	Jul 5th, 2006 09:58:02 AM
And I'm not liking it.
shrug by filmcans	Jul 5th, 2006 09:59:42 AM
I dont think this is all that big of a deal at all--certainly not one that will ruin a moment in the film.
agree w/ abominate by Skeletonpuppet	Jul 5th, 2006 10:05:57 AM
Having Peter not responsible for Ben's death is the bunk... Raimi knows this to be true, so something else must be going on. Right guys? right?
Oh geez Harry, Big effin' deal!... by Kid Z	Jul 5th, 2006 10:07:11 AM
... I thought you were gonna tell us Aunt May turns out to be the Hobgoblin or something...
Okay, a couple of things here... by Darth_Tarantino	Jul 5th, 2006 10:09:07 AM
Firstly, if this is a changing of Spiderman history, I don't like it. Secondly, nobody has said Venom is in this film...the symbiote is, but if Venom himself appears we don't know. It may get set up at the end of this film so that Spidey 4 is about Venom. And thirdly, people keep mentioning script reviews/summary - links please? I'm doubting a lot today.
Can we handle this kind of insider info.?!! by RetroActive	Jul 5th, 2006 10:16:13 AM
I don't know. I mean, this is a total mind melting experience! Right up there with, SPOILER "Sorry kid, there's no Santa Clause!! Seriously, who cares? If anything, I bet it's a dream sequence reminding him great power = great resp...you the rest. And it'll help him overcome the suit's influence on him, or whatever. Either way, it's not the deal breaker some might interpret it as. Whatever the case...I have a feeling Raimi will deliver. Oh, last but not least, just to get it all over with, Spoiler II...there's not a Tooth Fairy, either...or an Easter Bunny. Yeah, they're all made up. Although the forces behind St. Valentine's Day & St. Patrick's Day are real. It's called The Corporate Hedgehog. Sorry.
i don't mean to brag... by mocky_puppet	Jul 5th, 2006 10:17:17 AM
...but i actually saw these nine days ago.
Lately, I think reading spoilers is a good approach... by LilOgre	Jul 5th, 2006 10:25:30 AM
I went into SUPERMAN RETURNS without reading ANY spoilers about ANYTHING. And after that experience (which I've enjoyed progressively more after seeing it the second and third time around) I've come to the conclusion that its sometimes its better to read spoilers so that you don't spend the entire movie thinking WTF! They did THAT! Instead of enjoying the actual structure of the narrative. It can be an unintentional (good or bad) distraction. Remember, "Luke I am your father" came with 10 minutes to go in the film.
"if this is a changing of Spiderman history..." by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 10:30:58 AM
You mean you don't know? The answer is "yes." It is changing Spider-man history. Just like the first two movies. Did you like them?
Unlike say... Batman by Sad Watermelon	Jul 5th, 2006 10:37:26 AM
In the Burton Batman Movie, The Joker was made by Batman, which any comic book @$$hole knows ain't true. However, the movie was still entertaining, so who cares?
I say you made me... by Childe Roland	Jul 5th, 2006 10:38:43 AM
...and you've got to say I made you. How childish can you get? Indeed. Did the world learn nothing from the original Batman? As for Ras making Batman in Begins, not exactly what happened. He was one of several folks Wayne trained under. Sure, he gave him the idea for the gauntlets, but the Bat was still Wayne's idea and he was already a formidable fighter before Ras got a hold of him. Just sayin'...
What hebrokeaway said... by BannedOnTheRun	Jul 5th, 2006 10:43:11 AM
I hated that "Joker killed Bruce Wayne's parents" revision. Does every crime/vengeance story have to come full circle in 2 hours? It's actually more tragic to think Joe Schmoe was responsible.
P.S. by BannedOnTheRun	Jul 5th, 2006 10:44:47 AM
Same goes for "Daredevil."
excuse me, Mr. Horse, how do you feel about this? by durhay	Jul 5th, 2006 10:49:24 AM
Hmmmmm......... no sir, I don't like it.
So, what's this "plot twist"? by JackPumpkinhead	Jul 5th, 2006 10:54:11 AM
That his uncle dies? Didn't he die in the first film? I vaguely remember something like that.
Venom's ruse by HarriPannus	Jul 5th, 2006 10:58:42 AM
By convincing Peter, in his dreams, that Sandman is responsible for Ben's death, Venom hopes to twist Parker's mind and send him on a path of bloody revenge. What does Venom get out of this? By weakening Parker's resolve with guilt and hatred and bloodlust, the symbiont Venom can more easily merge with Peter's consciousness.
Raimi following the Batman formula again... by CrispyOne	Jul 5th, 2006 11:00:20 AM
.. the criminal made the superhero, and the superhero made the criminal. How lame. A planet full of 6 billion plus people, and these two guys run into each other and become some of the only superpowered people on the planet at the exact same moment. GHEY. Four villains, two girlfriends, stolen plot devices. Spidey 3 is looking suckey. But then only Doc Ock saved Spidey 2. The whole "losing powers" thing was stolen from Superman, and was SO stupid.
Just another excuse for Toby to go all EMO... by brycemonkey	Jul 5th, 2006 11:03:48 AM
This is the first negative news I've heard. I've been liking everything so far but this just seems like a useless plot device so Peter can go all emo for 30 mins like in Spidey2. Enough already!
problem with the spider man baddies by soup74	Jul 5th, 2006 11:04:03 AM
my biggest problem with the spider man villains in the movies so far is there hasnt been a 'bad' guy. both green goblin and doc ock we're good people 'driven insane' by something, and their 'good' side still comes out at times..screw that..we'll see how they play sandman or venom but it sounds like they're going to do the same. thats why we need Carnage (which they'll never do)
I've heard that Kane Marko's... by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 11:16:29 AM
...son turns out to be Boba Fett.
I heard that DocPazuzu... by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 11:26:01 AM
is a republican cunt.
DamnTheTorpedoes by Shermdawg	Jul 5th, 2006 11:27:49 AM
See I'm not completely insane, and about that other thing... all I got to say is: ;) (Do not reply)
Hmmmmm [prob some spoliers in this...] by Khan89	Jul 5th, 2006 11:29:50 AM
Venom will appear i think, cause in the teaser, u see parker rip off his costume with the symbiote...and that will get attached on the reprter who is rivaling against him...and me thinks....this could be a spoiler, venom and sandman fight spiderman in the end of the film, and harry helps him out...i think i read that somewhere...
Hidden Face BS by Gorrister	Jul 5th, 2006 11:34:10 AM
Ok, I'm not usually one to flame, but c'mon, you've GOT to be kidding about that "hidden face" link. That "face" is formed from two spiderman posters being pasted together and then flipped upside down! You know, I'm sure you could take the old, original Star Wars poster, cut it up, rearrange the pieces and flip it to a certain angle so that the face of Qui-Gon Jinn appears. That face is NOTHING! Anything that is 'hidden' in the poster would be visible in just ONE poster and be able to be seen when viewed right-side-up. (methinks someone has WAAAAAAAY too much time on his hands)
I saw those photos 5 years ago... by boba_rob	Jul 5th, 2006 11:53:10 AM
before Spiderman 1 was even shot. So there, I saw it before any of you.
No shit Gorrister, of course it's mirrored and flipped. by Shermdawg	Jul 5th, 2006 11:55:32 AM
I've told on countless occasions how I came across it, I'm kinda tired of telling it, but I will once again. AICN posted a fan altered version of the teaser image in which Pete (?) was wearing the classic symbiote suit. I wanted to make a desktop image out of the two. I mirrored them, and noticed the teeth. I wasn't looking for them, they just stood out. I tilted my head a little and noticed something strange, so I flipped it and saw the eyes and nose. The white patch above the eyes that I marked was pointed out by a fellow talkbacker, I sadly forgot who. Hiding things in posters aren't that crazy, I mean, if anyone was to study it is comic nerds. (Frnakly, I'm not a huge fan of Raimi's Spidey flicks, so I wouldn't have wasted time doing that. It was merely a accident, that I came across it.) And to be honest, did you ever think, since the process that it was found in resembles a Rorscach test, which is mostly given to crazy people who a suffering from delusions, don't you think maybe, just maybe, it's might be a hint at the rumor of Bruce Campbell's Mysterio cameo? I mean if there ever was a villian that would make you see things it's him. Of course it could be anybody.
Shermdawg by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 12:04:08 PM
Dude... You're starting to sound like all those guys who kept insisting that the identity of Sifo-Dyas was going to be a huge element in Revenge of the Sith before it came out.
Jar Jar for Prez by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 12:07:05 PM
I take being considered a liberal by right-wing loonies like Thunderballs as a compliment, much like being called a republican by left-wing zanies like you. Keep flying that flag of myopia proudly, son.
sigh Well, I was right about the Sentinel... by Shermdawg	Jul 5th, 2006 12:12:44 PM
I was the first, and for a long time only one maintaining that we'd see it in the Danger Room after examining the X3 teaser, and y'all laughed at me then. I know this is a little more far fetched, but there is something there, regardless if it has anything to do with the film or not. BTW, X-men (the property, not the films) is my Star Wars, so I did put timne looking into the trailers. I noticed the laser bolts flying past Storm while grabbing screenshots, and evidence started mounting up. Theres not much other eveidence to go on with the teaser pic. Well, unless you go with one of the countless theories as to whats in the eye lens.
Big Deal by EricST1	Jul 5th, 2006 12:17:52 PM
I think it's a cool twist... I don't know why ppl freak out about thingsbeing diff from the comics...if anything twists like this keeps things new and fresh Who wants to go into every comic movie knowing exactly what happens
So what! It just ties in the first film. Big deal by Blarneyman	Jul 5th, 2006 12:21:09 PM
Jesus, sometimes you lot over react something hysterical. I like this evolving plot point.
Maybe ... by Itchy	Jul 5th, 2006 12:32:31 PM
Peter will suddenly wake up at the beginning of the movie, and we'll find out the last two movies have been a dream. And in the real world, Mary Jane is played by someone hot, and not a lazy-eyed scugly troll like Kirsten Dunst. That would be a cool contrivance !
Does Peter drop acid with Mysterio? by Doctor_Sin	Jul 5th, 2006 12:35:10 PM
Or toke up with Gargoyle? "Dude, where's my uncle?"
No sir. I don't like it. by HansDelbruck	Jul 5th, 2006 12:40:43 PM

Dream sequence by GOATBOYUK	Jul 5th, 2006 01:05:28 PM
Definite dream sequence. Raimi wouldnt fuck with Spidey's origin like that.
GWEN STACEY ISN'T HOT ENOUGH!!! by wolack22	Jul 5th, 2006 01:08:10 PM
She should be a someone unattainable. A chick that wouldn't be caught dead with me. Bryce Howard is a chick i would screw so easily and dumb to the curb within seconds of meeting her. She doesn't feel unattainable, and she doesn't seem out of my league at all. GWEN STACEY SHOULD BE OUT OF EVERYONE'S LEAGUE!!! I wouldn't think twice about hitting on bryce howard... but i would with Elisha Cuthbert, Rachel McAdams, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Scarlett Johanson... THOSE CHICKS SHOULD BE GWEN STACEY!!! THOSE CHICKS ARE FINE.... bryce pfffffffffftttttttttttttttttt recast GWEN !! RECAST GWEN!!
I don't think it's a dream sequence... by Negator76	Jul 5th, 2006 01:13:17 PM
... but I don't think Sandman killed Ben, either. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that Sandy was the other thug's 'driver'. Pete finds out that sandy was involved with the crime, and he freaks. The symbiote leads him on a roaring rampage of revenge against Sandy, who is actually innocent of killing ben(though guilty of a whold mess of other stuff). This all fits quite nicely with the symbiote storyline that Sargent and Raimi are developing. This movie is going to kick unholy ass.
SHERMDAWG by Eaglet1138	Jul 5th, 2006 01:13:55 PM
Dude, that's amazing. I wouldn't've thought there was a hidden image there, but I looked, and it really is. I hope they put of Mysterio until Spider-Man 4, though. Unless they combine the Mysterio and Venom plots in this one, that could be cool. Maybe Cambell is Topher's brother/father?
Kirsten Dunst is hotter than Bryce Howard... PERIOD! by wolack22	Jul 5th, 2006 01:18:17 PM
If you think otherwise than you are the scugly troll with the lazy eye. Body -> Bryce = 5 Dunst = 9 Face -> Bryce = 7 Dunst = 9 Legs -> Bryce = yuck Dunst = sexy Boobies -> Bryce = meh Dunst = OH BABY the end
Hasn't this already been disproven? by MonteCristo	Jul 5th, 2006 01:22:59 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S andman_%28Marvel_Comics%29 This says that it isn't another "Burton Batman".
DocPazuzu by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 01:24:14 PM
Yeah, man... You're totally middle-of-the-road and fair-and-balanced. Just like Bill O'Reilly. Here's some news: nobody buys your rhetorical pose either, douchebag.
It's great your subjects are almost on topic Chappe... by brycemonkey	Jul 5th, 2006 01:35:24 PM
Now work on the comment section. Stop pimping your shit as no one cares.
Krusty Dunce is nasty looking... by brycemonkey	Jul 5th, 2006 01:38:02 PM
but then Ron Howard's kid doesn't do it for me as I'm not a fan of gingers :-( Shame that snaggle-tooth signed on to do the first one, hopefully she will get killed off in this one!
"nobody buys your rhetorical pose either, douchebag." by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 01:39:07 PM
What else is it of mine they're not buying? On a side note, Jar Jar, you've never fully explained how it is that I would somehow deny my alleged republicanism (or liberalism for that matter) when I'm very vocal about all my opinions in every debate I take part in. Opacity isn't really something I'm prone to. If you're using it as some kind of empty insult designed to make my blood boil, I have to say it's about as effective as being beaten savagely with a wet noodle. Then again, you're not known for actually debating opinions. You just pop in, heap abuse on people and then leave -- no doubt thinking you've "pwned" everyone or something. Whatever floats your boat, chief.
What floats my boat... by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 01:43:34 PM
is calling republicans like you douchebags. I thought that my last post made it clear that you deny your republicanism to attempt to gain some level of respectability, just like O'Reilly. But nobody's gonna give you any respect--because you're an asshole.
Jumping to conclusions... by jorson2	Jul 5th, 2006 01:43:58 PM
Given the nature of filmmaking, and the lack of any indication otherwise, did anyone on this board stop to consider that maybe -- just maybe -- Ben's and Sandman's scenes were just being shot the same night in roughly the same location and that, just maybe, the two actors were photographed talking to each other between takes? I mean, yes, there is the presence of Poppajin or whatever his name is, but I don't think it's Venom twisting Peter's mind -- or the symbiote, as it were. I mean, Peter's got this event in the back of his head all the time, right? It could be a scene where Ben's ghost tries to tell Peter what really happened and we see it for ourselves. I mean, in the first movie, we didn't actually SEE Ben's car get "jacked" and Ben shot. The police said it and Peter described in in part 2, but it wasn't actually seen. It just strikes me how many reasons we AICN readers can come up with to either love or hate a movie nearly a full year before its release, based solely on a few behind-the-scenes photos and a teaser trailer that might, like the SUPERMAN RETURNS trailers, contain footage not even included in the film. 'Could be wrong, just saying...
Meh... by Harysuxafat1	Jul 5th, 2006 01:47:15 PM
I've given up on comic movies. All these fuckstick directors trying to put their own spin on something they don't deserve to have nor could they come up with if their lives depended on it but they think they know whats best to put it up on screen. Fuck'em, Raimi needs to pull his head out of his ass and quit jerk wadding Spiderman around. Maybe in this one he'll actually keep his mask on for all the goddamn good it'll do him after all of new york saw him without it in the last one. Was this just so we could see what Toby looks like while he's being ass fucked by Dunst and her strap on?
This was on Superherohype a week ago! by ZeroCorpse	Jul 5th, 2006 01:47:47 PM
Jeez. And I thought it was something new. You guys are WAY behind The Hype when it comes to superhero movies. Get on the ball!
Jar Jar 4 Prez by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 01:52:36 PM
If I actually had opinions which resembled O'Reilly's in any significant manner, you might have had a case. As it is, I don't. How exactly do you connect me to O'Reilly anyway? Make an effort to say something concrete which we can work with here instead of just calling me a "cunt" or an "asshole". I may be both of those things, but let's just set that aside for the moment and talk specifics, yes?
"Kirsten Dunst is hotter than Bryce Howard"?!?!? by ripper t. jones	Jul 5th, 2006 02:00:39 PM
You must be blind or of the Homo persuasion.
...and Luthor blew up Krypton... by liunardo	Jul 5th, 2006 02:04:52 PM
"Oh Shit moment" eh? So let's see, Joker killed Wayne's parents in Batman, Rhas Al Ghul arranged their death in Batman Return's, M.K. Duncan killed Daredevil's dad, now Sandman kills Uncle Ben. This is just par for the lazy Hollywood backstory course. Can't have a complicated, multi-layered story. American audiences just won't get it, right?
No specifics. by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 02:07:12 PM
I don't get into intellectual debates with unarmed, cunt assholes. I just insult them.
More SpiderMan 3 Spoilers by flamingrunt	Jul 5th, 2006 02:07:55 PM
The Green Goblins exposed as the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll, Venoms revealed as Peter Pakers real father, and Gwen Stacey has a "crying game" moment
"I don't get into intellectual debates" by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 02:18:22 PM
In other words, you've got nothing. Not even one teensy little link to a post of mine which corroborates anything you've said about me? No? I promise, I won't insist you have to debate me if you do.
Um... by Johnny Smith	Jul 5th, 2006 02:21:39 PM
Ra's Al Ghul wasn't even IN Batman Returns, nor did he arrange the death of the Waynes in Batman Begins. I've read this theory before, and that's all it is -- people looking too deeply into something that isn't there. At all.
i saw this at least 4 days ago... by Spice-Orange	Jul 5th, 2006 02:25:02 PM
since when was this "aint it old news"? and its not much of a spoiler as is killing off ** . It wraps up the three movies very nice if Flint was in on Uncle Ben. yes? But of course all you comic book nerds will blow it out into some crazy idea. lame! this is like, non-news. at best. yawn* so when does the pirates 3 trailer come out?
NY is that small? by CuervoJones	Jul 5th, 2006 02:33:47 PM

DocPazuzu by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 02:35:49 PM
You can insist on whatever the fuck you want. You're still a republican asshole.
Jar Jar 4 Prez by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 02:39:31 PM
Wow, you sure cleaned my clock! How will I ever live this down? Fuck, even GingerTwit puts up more of a fight than you. I was right -- you've got nothing but abuse and nothing to back it up.
I've got nothing but abuse... by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 02:44:07 PM
FOR YOU. Let's get it right. I'd enter into a debate with someone who didn't have their republican head stuck up their homophobic, republican ass. I don't debate with you for the same reason I don't try to teach chimpanzees complex geometry.
Jar Jar 4 Prez by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 02:49:36 PM
You have NEVER debated politics with ANYONE in a talkback. If you have, please provide a link to it, if you can. I'm not even trying to get you to debate me anymore (since you are unable to), just provide one single link which shows me to be a "sexist, racist, homophobic republican". Surely a gentleman of your vast intellect and resources can manage that.
Another theory..... by DuncanDisorderly	Jul 5th, 2006 02:52:28 PM
How's about this? Topher Grace isn't Eddie Brock but is actually playing Ben Reilly?! Curt Connors was in SM 2 as a friend of Otto Octavius; now, what's not to say that Doc Ock contacted his friend and informed him that Peter Parker was Spiderman? My feeling is that the Venom storyline involves Ben Reilly taking over Parker's life and that Curt Connors actually becomes the Jackal rather than The Lizard! besides which, watch SM2 again folks; Curt Connors owns both arms.....
I call effed up dream sequence by Reynard Muldrake	Jul 5th, 2006 03:04:04 PM
Just messin' with Peter. I don't know the 'canon' at all, so I'm naive, but that makes more sense than some contrived, going-back-TWO-movies reason for gettin pissed at sandman.
DBH by DuncanDisorderly	Jul 5th, 2006 03:04:47 PM
Also, I don't understand all the hatred for Dallas Bryce Howard! The lady has turned up for a movie audition and got the role. I can understand that most of the morons that post here have failed every interview that they've been to but sheesh!
Doc Pazuzu by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 03:07:16 PM
Beg me for that link, you republican fuck! Beg!
Being a criminal and f-ing up Peter's city isn't enough by brycemonkey	Jul 5th, 2006 03:08:31 PM
Spidey needs more 'motivation' to try and get Sandman. Then he can have a 30 minute segment where he examines his navel and thinks about what he could have done differently so his Uncle would be alive and MJ would give him some poon...
And Jar Jar... by brycemonkey	Jul 5th, 2006 03:11:46 PM
that is the weakest troll/flame I've seen in quite some time. Sad really.
Knowing nothing about Spiderman comics... it's a dream! by ribbitking	Jul 5th, 2006 03:14:06 PM
Geez... I know didley squat about spiderman... yet I heard the Sandman is in this. Sandman = something to do with putting people to sleep??? Would Thomas Haden Church's character be wearing the same outfit many years before during uncle ben's death? It'a a freakin dream, and I bet spidey has the dream from his uncle's perspective.
Jar Jar 4 Prez by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 03:15:35 PM
Now that's just sad. You think that you can make it seem like I'm actually begging you for the link as a favor, a way to bail me out, which you are "withholding" from me. However, what both you and everyone else understands is that the more you show yourself unable to provide a link, the better it makes me look. You're a hollow tubthumper with no substance whatsoever. Most people use abuse and profanity to accentuate a sentiment. With you, abuse and profanity is the pinnacle of your abilities. There is nothing else.
By the way... by DuncanDisorderly	Jul 5th, 2006 03:18:24 PM
Please keep the SM3 trailer away from George W. Bush! As soon as he sees Tobey Maguire covered in a black, oil-like substance you just know he's gonna invade....
Abuse and profanity is the pinnacle of my abilities... by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 03:25:48 PM
and you're a racist, sexist, homophobic, republican asshole. I'd rather be me!
DocPazuzu by BobParr	Jul 5th, 2006 03:29:45 PM
Why are you responding to this guy(Jar Jar)? He sounds like he's 12 years old using curse words he can't use at home because his mommy will ground him. Ignore him. I'm sure he's used to it.
Jar Jar 4 Prez by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 03:30:06 PM
You are, without a doubt, the lamest troll ever.
BobParr by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 03:31:50 PM
You're right. Anything beyond this point is superfluous.
Casting by BobParr	Jul 5th, 2006 03:36:45 PM
I think Rami did a great job casting Peter Parker, Dock Ock, and Green Goblin. And thank God Tobey McGuire actually bulked up as opposed to wearing a rubber suit with fake muscles. But he is really missing the mark with the women. MJ is supposed to be supermodel hot and Kirsten Dunst just doesn't cut it. She seems to have "hit the wall" and gotten uglier by Spiderman2. She does have great tits but she covered them up in the 2nd movie. Bryce Howard is very cute but not up to Gwen Stacy. A couple of cute actresses to play comic book hot women. I guess Hollywood has run out of hot actresses. And why can't Eddie Brock be a dumb muscle-head like in the comics?
Big Spoiler Twist? by Sonic Reducer	Jul 5th, 2006 03:37:29 PM
Hell it's a dream, now Norman Osborn being Parker's father now there's some big ass plot twist. Even if it's not a dream sequence it's not that big of a deal.
Ugh... can't say I like this addition one bit. by a goonie	Jul 5th, 2006 03:42:52 PM
I hope it really is just a dream sequence-y thing, cuz seriously, the whole idea of a flashback being tossed in and Sandman being partially to blame for Ben's death... it just doesn't work for me. Not at all. It seems entirely unnecessary. Plus, Sam Raimi looks like an emaciated corpse in that first pic of him just standing there. Shit that's creepy.
This Spidey -Man 3 bullshit moment was brought to by Yoda's Ball Sack	Jul 5th, 2006 03:50:01 PM
you by the fine people at the Who Gives A Shit Foundation.
DocPazuzu by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 03:52:36 PM
You are, without a doubt, the lamest racist, sexist, homophobic, republican retard EVER.
Not worried. Sargent, a great writer, will make it work by Orbots Commander	Jul 5th, 2006 04:19:52 PM

once again, Pazuzu caught begging for links by zfisk	Jul 5th, 2006 04:22:08 PM
...and unwittingly speaking like a seasoned moderator with absolute conviction and records of what's been said here by everyone..("You have NEVER debated politics with ANYONE in a talkback. If you have, please provide a link to it")fool, you are blowing your cover all by yourself and proving what everyone knows. "AICN: Has Pazuzu begged you for a link today?"
Same thing they did with Batman by superninja	Jul 5th, 2006 04:23:04 PM
Having the Joker kill his parents. It's supposed to motivate Spider-Man to do something "crazy" because he no longer just a regular criminal.
"once again, Pazuzu caught begging for links" by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 04:31:42 PM
Yeah, not to mention the fact that I've debated politics WITH DocPazuzu before. Never again. It's how I came to know that he's a racist, sexist, homophobe (no matter how many times he claims he isn't). He's our own little Bill O'Reilly here at AICN. "You can't find where I said that!" Well, maybe I don't want to find it, but you said it and you're a fuckin' asshole. The end, bitch.
zfisk/homewrecker by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 04:31:58 PM
So this is where you're hiding. Since you're more or less a novice, let me enlighten you to the fact that I've fought JJ4P on several previous occasions and I've seen his debating "skills" in numerous other TBs. And this makes me a mod? What's really interesting is that you were too cowardly to respond to my request for a link to your source in the other talkbacks and only dared venture forth from your fetid grotto when a loser like JJ4P at least had the guts to respond, even if his response was utterly vacuuous. You're still a liar and a miserable coward, zfisk/homewrecker. Nice to see the unholy alliance between a gay-hater like you and JJ4P, by the way. It's true what they say, that all extremists meet up on the political scale sooner or later.
"I've fought JJ4P on several previous occasions" by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 04:37:12 PM
Links! We need links! What--we're just gonna believe a fucking republican like you?
Jar Jar 4 Prez by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 04:39:19 PM
Well, there's the aquaf@g talkback for one. I'm sure you can find that one without my help, yes? Be sure to come back with "proof" of my republicanism as well as my sexism, racism and homophobia, mmm'kay?
Sherdawg, funny you mention "crazy people" by Gorrister	Jul 5th, 2006 04:39:33 PM
Think about that "crazy people test" you describe next time you you think that cutting/pasting/flipping ANY movie poster will reveal secrets about the film. LOL. This 'face' you see is just that, a delusion (to use your own word). It's creative, I'll give you that, but it's absolutely NOTHING.
The aquaf@g talkback is probably... by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 04:45:00 PM
a perfect place for people to look for evidence of you being an asshole as well. Also, I want the fucking LINK. You don't get off that easy. You demand links, but when it's time to supply them you say "you can find that one without my help, yes?" I call bullshit. Put up the link and people can judge for themselves, asshole.
4th Villian by VigilanteX	Jul 5th, 2006 04:45:29 PM
Raimi did say awhile back that there was a 4th villian. Maybe that villian is Mysterio and he causes that flashback type scene going on there.
Jar Jar by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 04:51:51 PM
http://www.aintitcool.com/disp lay.cgi?id=21000 ...... Now go get that evidence, tiger.
What are you guys worried about? by Orbots Commander	Jul 5th, 2006 05:05:10 PM
Sam Raimi and Alvin Sargent are in charge of Spidey III, same as the second one. Raimi has yet to disappoint and Sarget delivered on the second film and was one of the better screenwriters from the 1970's and early 80's, almost in the same league as Robert Towne or William Goldman. Not worried one bit as it's in the hands of master storytellers.
Hey everybody! by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 05:05:58 PM
I made DocPazuzu get ME a link! That's how you do it! I made him my bitch and fucked his fanny hard! Now, go get me another link, linkboy! I wanna see some hustle this time! Go!
Jar Jar.. by zfisk	Jul 5th, 2006 05:14:20 PM
Pazuzu isnt just this site's O'Reilly, he's the 2006 version of Snidely Whiplash. or maybe he's the Valerie Plame here, because the reason he's ravenous for that almighty link to that scathing indicting, genuine article is because it names his true identity and he's going to try legal action and shut up that site before more people see it.. except he 'needs' the link from me,haha, of all people.. Pazuzu your remaining shred of credibilty hangs by a thread, loosening at you peril..sorry but i dont rat people out for telling the truth. you deserve to have your cover blown for the way you demean and depise your readers.. if north korea ever strikes california hopefully the missile will hit your house first since that's where you reside.(LA)
You know how I know your gay... by gorydon	Jul 5th, 2006 05:15:09 PM
...cause you have pissy bitch fights about people's political opinions on Spiderman talkbacks. Will you guys (Doc and Jar Jar) shut the fuck up and take it somewhere else.
gorydon by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 05:20:49 PM
You know how I know you're retarded? Because you typed that last post. Go fuck yourself--I'll say what I want.
When they did this with the Joker in Batman, it by superninja	Jul 5th, 2006 05:21:03 PM
didn't work. It didn't add anything to the story, just seemed contrived.
zfisk/homewrecker by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 05:24:14 PM
I would have said "nice try", but that's an even lamer excuse than JJ4P's cop-out. If that article actually existed, why would it be shut down? There are plenty of articles online which are critical of AICN, such as on Film Threat, but you don't see them being shut down, do you? Again, your lies are apparent. Unless it's a double-secret webpage which only you have access to, then anybody can read it, and I'm sure they'd want as many people as possible to. Your laughable "I don't rat people out for telling the truth" excuse is just your way of avoiding the fact that you've lied from day one -- there is no webpage with that article, double-secret or not. At the very least you could have posted the entire article if it existed, but it doesn't. Pussy.
"go get me another link, linkboy!" by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 05:26:33 PM
You just completely owned yourself with that post, Jar Jar. Nice going.
C'mon, linkboy! by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 05:32:31 PM
Get me another link! You're my bitch and you know it. Hop to it! Chop, chop! Let's go! Rustle me up some more links, you pathetic, republican fuck!
Bruce Campbell IS Mysterio by Screaming Brain	Jul 5th, 2006 05:32:58 PM
watch and see. =)
What, does Mary Jane have a kid? by MrBoinfoint	Jul 5th, 2006 06:05:06 PM
Thus destroying the basic dynamics of the characters?
Aunt May's fault. by mrfan	Jul 5th, 2006 06:15:45 PM
She is a swinger and was going to have someone over. Ben decided to get out of the house and take Peter to the library. Blame the bitch.
Campbell/Mysterio thing is true by zfisk	Jul 5th, 2006 06:24:47 PM
and it's perfect..Campbell is going to put the mustard and relish on this role for the ages. Raimi has done it..he has seared a perfect indelible mark on the spidey series with the campbell cameos: the man who introduced "the human spider" and barred peter from entry to the theatre in "2" will don the spacehelmet and cape as mysterio in the final war of "4".. which i pray will match or exceed the combined ownage of "army of darkness","spiderman 3" and X3 in terms of scale.
"Campbell/Mysterio thing is true" by DocPazuzu	Jul 5th, 2006 06:28:16 PM
It's certainly truer than that fake article you posted, zfisk/homewrecker.
Even as a kid I thought Spiderman was lame-o, by stonehenge	Jul 5th, 2006 06:31:11 PM
and as an adult I'm 100% abso-fucking-lutely certain of it. And just who in the hell decided that Tobe Maguire, or whatever the fucker's name is, was a movie star? He's like a cross between Elijah Wood and Topher Grace, with an extra dose of female hormones thrown in for good measure-Kirsten Dunst could probably kick his ass, both in real life and onscreen! And Sam Raimi should go back to Evil Dead flicks, even though he'll never top Evil Dead II.
What's the big deal? by Loosejerk	Jul 5th, 2006 06:31:26 PM
Sandman is just given Pa a hernia exam....a velvety, sandy exam.
Hmmm... by Mr Nice Gaius	Jul 5th, 2006 06:59:34 PM
I do believe I smell insanity in this here TalkBack. Yep, I definitely smell a pussified coward. zfisk/homewrecker, is that you?
Not really a spoiler by alienindisguise	Jul 5th, 2006 07:18:10 PM
I think it's just Sam adding shit onto a bigger pile of shit really. This Spidey reeks of Batman and Robin...I know it won't be THAT bad but it just seems like they're throwing everything at it and it will end up convoluted..We got the Sandman, Venom, the Goblin, MJ, Gwen all crammed into what I'm guessing will be a 2 hr flick. May be too much.
At the end of this movie by beerbaby	Jul 5th, 2006 07:23:53 PM
peter will be sleeping in his bed and Uncle ben will walk out of the shower peter will say "How can you be here" and ben will just say "its all been a dream" SPOILER AHEAD!!! The part of ben will now be played by Patrick Duffy.
Fuck you all by performingmonkey	Jul 5th, 2006 07:32:25 PM
Aunt May will die. So will bryce, and Sandman. Harry will kill May and Venom will kill MJ.
HUGE SPOILER!! ...Maybe! ...Possibly! ...I think... by Flim Springfield	Jul 5th, 2006 07:58:21 PM
...or not. Nevermind.
Ian McShane Should Have Played Doc Oc? by BOOOOOOOO!!Bs	Jul 5th, 2006 08:16:51 PM
Prove me wrong! Maybe it'll work in an alternate dimension past or something... fingers crossed. HBO should totally do a superhero, btw
I am okay with MJ dying. by superninja	Jul 5th, 2006 08:43:11 PM
Really, Dunst is a terrible MJ. But then, the character is written awfully as well. She's a dud. Then we can move on to Gwen Stacy and Black Cat for the sequel. Or is Gwen Stacy the Black Cat?
Spiderman 3 villians. by Yoda's Ball Sack	Jul 5th, 2006 09:10:11 PM
Removed at the request of Sony.
We haven't seen the movie. by seanny_d	Jul 5th, 2006 09:27:30 PM
We don't know what's going to happen when the movie finally comes out. Maybe it's legit, maybe it's a hallucination. The negativity on talk backs just blows me away. Does anyone get excited about anything anymore or is absolutely everything with movies a bunch of bullshit that each one of us could do better ourselves?
Yo, seanny_d... by stonehenge	Jul 5th, 2006 10:28:39 PM
welcome to the Internet, dude.
BlahBlahBlah by Redbox	Jul 5th, 2006 10:42:08 PM
First, trust Sam. Second, stop guessing that seeing something gives you a clear idea of what it will be in the film. Third, who the hell cares? I'm as big a Spidey purest as anyone, and I TRUST SAM to do right, because he loves SPidey like I do. Do you? Then Trust him dammit!
Stonehenge... by seanny_d	Jul 5th, 2006 10:47:38 PM
I do expect some negativity, but despite my curiousity of other people's opinions, I find myself questioning whether or not anyone has anything positive to say ever. Or constructive negativity for that matter. Even cautious pessimism would be nice. I love movies and the Spider-Man franchise is one of my favorites. I just figured a site that is centered around movies would have a few more positive things to say.
SM3 : My salvation by thebearovingian	Jul 6th, 2006 12:01:11 AM
If not for this film I would have no reason to wake up tomorrow morning (or each successive morning until May 4th, 2007). You guys are killin me. Slowly, painfully,...cripplingly.
I was just thinking how in the cartoon, they by superninja	Jul 6th, 2006 12:17:29 AM
made Felicia Hardy the Black Cat. She was basically the Gwen substitute. I don't mind Raimi casting girl-next-door types for Spidey. I always thought the idea of MJ being a supermodel or Gwen being just so drop-dead gorgeous to be fanboyish. Dunst, however, is just so dreary. MJ was lively and seemed like a tomboy.
I agree with Astroman... by Cadillac Jones	Jul 6th, 2006 12:37:12 AM
...in those pics, it looks like Flint is kinda' comforting Uncle Ben more than anything else; sure he coulda' been in on the robbery & carjacking, but like in the comics, Sandman didn't really like to kill anyone, so maybe he's pissed off that the mugger shot Uncle Ben when it wasn't necessary? Maybe Flint happened to be walking by at the wrong time? Maybe he's being framed? All I do know is his killing Uncle Ben sounds waaaaaaaay too out of character, esp. with Raimi who so far, has been a stickler for following the characterizations to a "t."
Tobey is the worst Spider-man ever by Rant Breath	Jul 6th, 2006 12:45:12 AM
He has half the personality of Peter Parker and none of the personality of Spidey. Yeah we get it. You're a quiet introvert. Now try resembling the character for a change you lazy, overpaid shitbag!
REALLY Rant Breath?? Even worse than Nicholas Hammond? by 3D-Man	Jul 6th, 2006 12:49:25 AM
You've GOT to be kidding!!!!
Black Cat should be Gwen Stefani with cg boobs. by Shermdawg	Jul 6th, 2006 01:15:38 AM

"I made you...you made me first." by Master Bruce	Jul 6th, 2006 03:48:43 AM
"Hey, c'mon Batsy, when I say you made me you say"...er, wait a minute.
as usual, they have to overcomplicate things and screw by Rupee88	Jul 6th, 2006 05:06:13 AM
things up. We will probably learn that Marko is Peter Parker's uncle and Harry is Peter's lost cousin....just poor lazy stupid writing.
Yay! by DocPazuzu	Jul 6th, 2006 08:22:29 AM
I finally made it into one of zfisk/homewrecker's Superman trailers! Check it out in his blog: http://homewrecker-returns.blo gspot.com ............ By the way, zfisk/homewrecker, when portions of your phony "article" are used in search engines, the only result that pops up is the post you provided it in here on AICN. Pretty odd for an article which you claim you didn't write and which has "exposed the truth" about me all over the internet, don't you think?
homewrecker-returns.blogspot.com by Mr Nice Gaius	Jul 6th, 2006 08:47:43 AM
Holy shit. Is this legit, Doc? The. Most. Poorly. Written. Blog. Ever?
sounds...different. by tango fett	Jul 6th, 2006 08:53:25 AM
Kind of do hope it's a dream sequence though. And, with the way these zfisk-esque people troll, no wonder I lean more republican. oh yeah, and the green goblin II doesn't look much better than the old one.
"Is this legit, Doc?" by DocPazuzu	Jul 6th, 2006 09:26:26 AM
Totally. zfisk/homewrecker and his blog are not only legit, they're 2 legit 2 quit.
Spoiler by Falcon5768	Jul 6th, 2006 10:02:13 AM
All a dream. He didnt have any hand in the death of Ben, its simply a dream sequence where Evil spiderman starts thinking everyone he's going after had a hand in his uncles death.
and by that I meant... by tango fett	Jul 6th, 2006 10:53:24 AM
Nothing against the Dems in general (some of my best friends are), I was just speaking out about the extremist (I guess that's the term I'd use), over-the-top ones. Hey, every party has some.
Hey DocPazuzu by abominate	Jul 6th, 2006 11:41:10 AM
Kane (Cain Marko) is Juggernaut. Flint Marko is Sandman.
abominate by DocPazuzu	Jul 6th, 2006 12:14:00 PM
True. My bad.
HUGE SPOILER!!!!! IN THIS ONE... by Kid Z	Jul 6th, 2006 01:25:30 PM
...apparently Spider Man... does WAHTEVER a spider can!!!!!!
Seanny_d- by stonehenge	Jul 6th, 2006 02:15:16 PM
Just fucking with you, dude. Actually, you only said the same thing that I've often wondered myself. But then, hey, wouldn't this be one hell of a snooze if it were just one big snoozefest? Even if some of it is pretty mean spirited, and it is, just laugh it off, man. It's just words on a screen typed, as often as not, by some pimply-faced asshole sitting in his room and waiting for his mommie to bring him a sandwich and some cookies. Peace, may the force be with you, live long and prosper, and all that shit.
Oops, my bad... by stonehenge	Jul 6th, 2006 02:20:34 PM
I actually meant to say "one hell of a snooze if it were just one big lovefest". Hey, shit happens when you're trying to talk to the fucking doctors office on the phone and type at the same time.
Thank you, Rant Breath by stonehenge	Jul 6th, 2006 02:28:56 PM
for proving to me that someone else has the common sense to see that Maguire is a joke (at least at Spiderman). The guy comes off as someone who would make a perfect addition to the cast of Queer Eye For The Straight Guy, except he isn't quite as gay (oops, I meant "jolly"). Surely they could have found someone with a bit of a dangerous edge? The only danger you sense from Tobe is that he'll hump your leg or use up a whole box of Kleenex sobbing over all his issues. The only thing making these movies watchable is Sam Raimi. The dude's a genius- with a camera, anyway.
sandman is not the killer by hellnback	Jul 6th, 2006 05:50:57 PM
i have a feeling that it's going to do down that sandman was the first person to notice ben parker. ben probably stumbles into him first and asks for help. sandman probably doesn't know what he should do and leaves him there but not before he steals something off of him. he then takes off and thats when others around finally notice ben.
The good and the bad about not caring.................. by Cotton McKnight	Jul 6th, 2006 06:23:22 PM
The good part of not caring is that FINALLY I get to read a spoiler. You don't know how many times I have sped through an article just to get a lil some.. but not TOO much. But with Spiderman? No problem, the movies are meh and I don't get jazzed about these movies. So I read away. Now the bad part- I just found out that I don't really care that the Sandman killed Ben Parker. Oh well.
This is barely an "Oh Shit" kind of moment... by Duke of Hurl	Jul 6th, 2006 07:51:55 PM
And with Rosemary Harris on the scene, I'm lead to believe this is a follow up as opposed to a flaskback.
Possible [Other] Villians by son_of_snotball	Jul 6th, 2006 10:49:16 PM
OK...it has been hinted at that Bruce Campbell may play Mysterio in an upcoming Spiderman film...well I personally think that he IS Quentin Beck and I fully expect see Campbell as QB introduced in Spiderman 3...Bruce has been listed in the cast in the first two films...Spiderman (Ring Announcer) Spiderman 2 (Snooty Usher)...but guess what...if you look at the cast list for the 3rd film..(IMDB.com)...he's not there...is Rami hiding something here...are we in for a surprise perhaps...you know he'll be in it!...here's another little tid-bit I turned up the other night...Quentin Beck is a makeup artist/ illusionist...correct?...Check out this line from the Snooty Usher (Campbell) to Peter Parker from Spiderman 2...I think it's a dead giveaway that Campbell is slated to play Mysterio. Snooty Usher: No one will be seated after the doors are closed. It helps maintain the {{ ILLUSION }}. And there is that scene with Harry looking down from what looks like a seat in a balcony somewhere...could he be watching a show featuring an illusionist perhaps...who knows...I doubt that we'll see Mysterio in this one...but I do think we will be introduced to a Mr. Quentin Beck aka Bruce Campbell. I also think we make see the origin of The Lizard here...they've been teasing us with this one long enough...Lizard may not play a prominent roll here...but I think Rami will give us a little taste. Here's my last prediction... The blond chic who lives next to Peter Parker (you know..the one who brings him the chocolate cake)...who is she exactly and what pivotal part does she play in these films?...it is my guess that Rami will introduce her as the Black Cat...her name is not Felicia..but it is Ursula..sort of similar...not exactly by the book as far as characters go...but hey...look what he's doing with The Sandman and Uncle Ben...anything can happen here...one last thing here...and this is a real stretch...what if Rami does the ol' switchero and has Spiderman kill Mary Jane this time instead of Gwen Stacey...wouldn't that be a shocker...Kirsten Dunce did say she wanted her character to be killed off..and she does want out of the series...that would be totally F'ed up!..but hey..when have they ever cared what the fans thought...whichever one bites the dust...I believe it will be the symbiote out of jealousy..who will ultimately cause Spiderman to kill em'...and that will be the reason that he will rid himself of the symbiote...which I believe will happen at the very end of the film..at the church..overlooking a funeral perhaps?...I also very much doubt this will be a Venom film...we may see him at the very end as a lead in to Spiderman 4....anyway..that's my two cents.
Living a Life of Illusion by FrischDVH	Jul 7th, 2006 09:52:06 AM
What if its all an illusion. Obviously Venom is in the movie, but that will maintain they'll have to introduce his origin. What if, the darkness overcoming Parker is a mental metaphor of the intense psychological distress his mind is undergoing witnessing all this evil yet having to play "above the line" only catching the criminals, never extracting revenge? Venom becomes an outlet for his frustration of never achieving vengence. It frees him of the responsibility of being just and lets him be vengeful. These vibes mixed with an unknown concoction actually create the Venom monster which then moves to Eddie. Just a thought. Note to Jar Jar: In many of your posts, you denounce people's beliefs. Not once do you allude to the fact that in America, that person's beliefs are just as protected as yours are. To call their views worthless and demean somebody because of them only says you have no respect for the individuals beliefs or the system from which they were formed. This would also invalidate your own set of beliefs seeing as how they were formed from the same system. You can disagree, adamantly even so, with another's views, but to attack them because of what they believe only betrays any sound edification to your own arguments. Be they a homophobic racist republican or an infantile bleeding heart liberal make sure it is the opinio you attack with well reasoned arguments, so even if the other party engages in said behaviour, you can carry yourself with the proper amoount of accord.
I'll 2nd Sherm's suggestion by savage_henry	Jul 7th, 2006 01:16:49 PM
for a Stefani with CG enhanced booobs. That is the only way to attain visual perfection. The end.
BIG FREAKING SPOILER by Shermdawg	Jul 7th, 2006 06:00:13 PM
http://filmick.blogspot.com/20 06/06/spider-man-3-teaser-trai ler.html Read at your own risk.
if you were real comic book fans then... by deadpool51	Jul 7th, 2006 07:51:56 PM
you wouldnt care if this is true. Come on now, comic story lines change all the time. they didnt it with the ultimate spiderman and venom and so on. These movies arent suppossed to exact copies of the comics. they are extentions on the story line to the spider-man universe. If these were exactly liek the comics then we would ahve had The Terrible Tinkler in spider man 2 instead of doc ock, just everybody relax and let Raimi tell his version of a spider-man comic.
Trailer link by kuryakin	Jul 8th, 2006 12:37:05 PM
http://www.apple.com/trailers/ sony_pictures/spider-man_3/
Sorry if that's been posted before by the way by kuryakin	Jul 8th, 2006 12:45:40 PM
But it seems to answer most of the questions on thsi talkback. Arigato yo!

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