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By Any Other Name!! Learn Who Joins WHO!!

FIRST? by ECUPirate71	Jul 4th, 2006 08:28:23 PM

I guess I was by ECUPirate71	Jul 4th, 2006 08:30:14 PM
and I am planning on checking this show out on the mini-marathon tomorrow. I heard it is pretty good...
Not as dead as were lead to believe! by Kelvington	Jul 4th, 2006 08:48:04 PM
Maybe she'll play it Tarintino style with just one ear? So will she be snogging him before or after the Christmas episode?
Aw, I so want to be first at least once in a Dr.Who tb. by Shermdawg	Jul 4th, 2006 08:51:25 PM
I think you know why.
Same character or what? by Hairy Nutsack	Jul 4th, 2006 09:10:27 PM
Oh come on, she dies and then 2 episodes later she's back as another character? I thought Canada had a short list of working actors, sheesh. Whatever, she's quite a bit hotter than Billie at least.
by proper	Jul 4th, 2006 09:13:09 PM
Kelvington,Dr Who can use the hole in her head to hide the Sonic Screwdriver and shoot it out R2-D2 style in tricky situations.I'd like to see the Zygons http://tinyurl.com/fmo93 or the Ice warriors http://tinyurl.com/jeogw next year.Will they wrap up in 45 mins this weekend,or will they string it out till Christmas?.http://tinyurl.com/ ejjvm .I've taken the jpeg of stoned Columbo on the other TB as tribute(not really,nice 1 for DWTBs this year).Go the France tonight.
See Rose Talking to the Daleks... by Kelvington	Jul 4th, 2006 09:25:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =gFXaLbM56ig By the way Proper I laughed out loud at the Sonic Screwdriver line... well done!
She's Martha Jones, a new character by CrispyOne	Jul 4th, 2006 09:27:53 PM
And she's kinda hot. Better than Billie Piper.
Kelly Dalglish of Sky Sports News redefines Scottish by paulh	Jul 4th, 2006 09:43:30 PM
Hotness. That is all.
too soon! by mondoz2	Jul 4th, 2006 09:56:19 PM

Agreed. by proper	Jul 4th, 2006 09:57:05 PM
And her Dad is Kenny Daglish too!!.Result!!.
What's with all the Billie Piper hate? by EyeofPolyphemus	Jul 4th, 2006 11:09:57 PM
She was pretty hot, I thought. Look better as a brunette. I have a feeeling some geektastic film could have a nude lesbian sex scene between Billie Piper and Katee Sackhoff and most AICN talkbackers would whine like it was Jar Jar Binks and Hulk Hogan.
why ? by slkboxrman	Jul 4th, 2006 11:30:31 PM
why the heck does he call it the 29th season ?? its not like its the same incarnation of the show as the original.... dr who was never big growin up anyways.
This has happened before in Who... by ChrisPC24	Jul 4th, 2006 11:31:45 PM
His companion Romana took the form of a recently dead character when she regenerated, and they obviously used the same actress. There have been several other actors who have died and come back as other characters years later.
Nice choice! by Col. Klink	Jul 4th, 2006 11:37:36 PM
She looked like the hawtness in the last episode. I'd have crawled a mile for that cup of coffee with her. ;) It is sorta strange having her die and reappear as a different character. Remember tho, she won't be appearing until AFTER the Xmas episode. So we won't be seeing her until 2007. :(
Meh. by Deep Cover	Jul 5th, 2006 12:30:34 AM
Cute, but no Billie. Doubt I'll keep watching after she's gone.
"Exciting new talent"... by LeiaDown&FuckHer	Jul 5th, 2006 12:38:46 AM
...Bollocks she is. She was annoying as fuck, so much so I was hoping that she would be killed off just so that she wouldn't have any chance of showing up on Torchwood. Hopefully her new character is less annoying than this throw away one was. We'll see. **************************** ************************** ************ And yeah, it's hardly the first time something like this has happened on Who, many actors made multiple appearances as different characters over the show's history, I think Michael Sheard played three or four different roles in the original series over the years, and Hell, even Colin Baker played an entirely different character only a scant season or so before returning to the show as the latest regeneration of The Doctor himself. Like I say, wait and see how it plays out, but judging purely by what I saw last week I'm not exactly over-joyed by this choice right now...
Why replace Rose or at the Doctor's "companion" with... by Led Gopher	Jul 5th, 2006 12:41:02 AM
This actress? First of all, while her character in last week's episode wasn't a major role, she was fairly important as a plot device and it isn't like her face was forgettable. It is sort of like when they re-cast Nicholas Lea on "The X-Files" as Krycek after he appeared earlier in the same season in a throw-away role? It is as if the makers of the show don't think we are going to remember this actress and just be able to get past who we last saw her portray on the show. She frickin' died for crissakes on last week's episode. Are we just supposed to believe Agyeman is playing the same character as before, but this time an alternate universe version? I really liked Billie Piper, she was funny, not a bad actor, and to be honest, very easy on the eyes. I just am hoping they send her out next week on a high note. True story.
Again.. by Bad Wolff	Jul 5th, 2006 01:04:32 AM
It has been made clear that she is playing a completely different character. ;)
stupid by chopstyx1	Jul 5th, 2006 01:54:18 AM
Why get in an actress that has already been killed off? Stupid move, there are hundreds & thousands of other actresses out there and they choose someone who was killed off last week? I understand she's playing a different character, doesn't matter, still a stupid move. Yet another chunk knocked off the old block of credibility.
why?? by scape away	Jul 5th, 2006 01:59:45 AM
because sometimes two people have this thing, i know it's hard for some of us to understand, called chemistry. And when you find that two actors work well together, you take advantage of it.
Surely If The Two Worlds Are Merging Then by flamingrunt	Jul 5th, 2006 02:43:20 AM
then her "alternate universe" counterpart could be the new assistant.
Same old PC BBC... by Bono Luthor	Jul 5th, 2006 03:07:23 AM
...ticking their demographic boxes. I would have bet money that we would have a black female character this time around. Tick! Tick! I just hope that The Doctor can stand a chance of getting back to being the main character, stop camping it up and not be overshadowed by his assistant all the time. At least the Billy Piper show is OVER. Thank God. No more pathetic cooing back and forth between her and Tennant every week, which has, frankly, ruined this series for me.
Billie Piper was fuckin' awesome by StrangeCo	Jul 5th, 2006 03:18:20 AM
Watched on and off since the late 70s/early 80 and I love the latest incarnation of the Doctor.
Billie Piper was shit by photoboy	Jul 5th, 2006 03:35:02 AM
She was an annoying chav who had only one character trait: that she wanted to shag the Doctor. I hope the Cybermen make sure she stays dead!
photoboy by Bono Luthor	Jul 5th, 2006 03:42:48 AM
Dam right! There's enough people like that every time you step out on the street, without having them shoved down your throat watching TV. Just go to ASDA instead.
Bring back Kamelion! by Johnny Wishbone	Jul 5th, 2006 04:05:07 AM
That's what I say.
Bono Luthor by meccabilly	Jul 5th, 2006 04:23:47 AM
Same old PC BBC... Same ol' racist talkback... ticking all their outrage boxes. Oh, i'm sorry - does that offend you Bono Luthor? Dude - at what point is it ok to have a black actress and it not to be a 'PC' thing in your eyes?
'meccabilly' by Bono Luthor	Jul 5th, 2006 04:52:54 AM
Do calm yourself down there 'meccabilly' boy (or girl - in the intrest of balance). I niether stated that the BBC being PC was a good or bad thing. Simply that it is very, essentially,'BBC'. Read my post again. So how on Earth you think you have the right to start using words like 'racist' I really don't know. That's a heavy word there son. You make sure you can lift in on your own and don't put your back out. If you are such an expert you'll know that given elements of culture can be seen as having a whole hoast of concurrent and sometimes contradictory meanings all at once. 'Political Correctness' can be just as implicit (and negative) within something as 'Racism' can, but they are not opposite sides of the same divide as you seem to imply. I can hold in my head the opinion that it's cool to have a black actress in Doctor Who and that it's a PC decision at the same time. PC, to me, is niether automatically good or bad. I simply don't see the world in such manichaean terms is all I'm saying sunshine. Like I says, be careful with them big loaded words. Anyway, lets just hope she is not as crap a Billy Piper.
She's only been chosen because she's black. A disgrace. by ForumFatale	Jul 5th, 2006 06:13:57 AM
She's a rubbish actor, a rubbish character, the fans HATE her, she's only been chosen because she's black. This is ridiculous.
ForumFatale by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 5th, 2006 06:35:06 AM
You're ridiculous. I don't know what her range is as an actor and neither do you, you know nothing about the character she's going to play, the fans don't "hate" her cuz they dont even know her, and she was chosen because they liked the work she was doing on the show. So get back on the little bus and try not to play with anything sharp until youre back under the supervision of whatever facility is looking after you. pats soothingly
Farewell Billie, we hardly knew thee... by David Frames	Jul 5th, 2006 06:47:45 AM
Goodbye Rose and goodbye too, to that horrific family of yours. There's nothing quite like a visit to a council flat to crash an episode. With any luck this new girl (a bit of a looker) will be an orphan and will have desire to go home due to a shady past involving incest and sodomy. For Season 3/29 - more alien worlds, more depth, less ham, less camp please. This means NO references to reality t.v, soap characters or any of the other things that people of a certain temprement imagine to be funny or interesting. Remember Ken Dodd? We're only a whisker away when Babs Windsor shows up. Perhaps its time that RTD moved on to "new challenges" as he remains one of the show's less serious, weaker writers. While we're at it get Tennant to sign a new 10 year contract while he's basking in his recent success in the part - love those glasses!
She was crap on last weeks Doctor Who... by LeiaDown&FuckHer	Jul 5th, 2006 06:53:53 AM
...She was crap on The Bill, and she was crap on Silent Witness, so right now I'm thinking this choice as a new companion is, well, crap. Not because she's black, but because she's annoying and has pretty much no range whatsoever, at least on all evidence so far. Maybe she'll surprise, but again, I'm not hopeful...
"... as it unspoiled on the BBC." by BannedOnTheRun	Jul 5th, 2006 08:37:24 AM
WTF? So now directors "lens" a film, musicians "drop" (or "street") a CD, and TV networks "unspoil" episodes? This hipster lingo is teh kewl for me.
Is the Doctor only supposed to stick with white chicks? by SpyGuy	Jul 5th, 2006 09:00:15 AM
It's a big time/space continuum, people...You think the Doctor isn't going to broaden the field beyond the shoebox-sized mentality some of you are expressing? But hey, if it makes you feel better, Martha's a Companion so she won't be around in a couple of years, anyway.
we won't remember by the time it airs by jccalhoun	Jul 5th, 2006 09:44:34 AM
while we may tink it stupid to cast the same actress in two different roles, remember that she won't appear as teh new character until next season. This season started in what, April? So if next year starts in April we are talking 9 months from now. I doubt that most people will remember her. As far as the PC stuff, isn't this the first time there's ever been a companion who was non-white? Except for the couple of episodes with Mickie on the Tardis, which hardly count. I'd say it was about time.
unspoiled = unspooled by aestheticity	Jul 5th, 2006 09:50:35 AM
im thinking. also the dr's hangers on never last more than a couple seasons, although the jurys split over whether billies leaving as par for the course or wants to leave for fear of scifi fandom. aaanyway, so this is a black companion, no problem here, and nobody knows what shes going to be like, same as noone had an idea what billie would be like. you want to know what im waiting for? when they cast a male companion. series is written by a poof, he'll be thinking that way already. on the other hand, why not have the dr regenerate as a woman? i don't know if gallifreyans have a permanent sex, but even if they do, new who isnt a big one for continuity, they could change it. you could even have the dr regenerate as a woman with a female companion. id love to see that dynamic onscreen.
No-one knows what this black actress is like? Huh? by ForumFatale	Jul 5th, 2006 10:32:39 AM
We've all seen her bad acting for ourselves, both on the Bill and on Doctor Who itself! She's just a one-expression face, and only got her job as an actress because she's fairly good looking as their kind go. This is obviously a decision based on skin colour alone which is, frankly, appalling seeing as this is 2006. Lets get over judging people based on their skin colour and stop thinking about 'race quotas'. It's about time we hired people based on skills and skills alone.
I'll miss Billie Piper. by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 10:44:31 AM
She's totally hot... and if you're a guy who's saying that he wouldn't bang her then it's most likely you're gay. The new chick is hot too, but remains unproven.
ForumFatale is a racist cunt. by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 10:46:43 AM
"...she's fairly good looking as their kind go." Their kind! Jesus, what a fucking retarded, racist asshole you are. Fucking republican twat.
"Their Kind" by nemesisdarkside	Jul 5th, 2006 10:54:33 AM
ForumFatale, you just murdered any credibility you may have had. Now we all know how you truly feel. Bigot!
Oh, stop acting so shocked. by ForumFatale	Jul 5th, 2006 11:01:31 AM
Are you honestly telling me that you prefer black girls over white ones?
ForumFatale by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 11:04:31 AM
I'm telling you that you're a racist retard.
Billie Piper, good and bad by CrispyOne	Jul 5th, 2006 11:07:25 AM
I'm thinking Billie Piper was GREAT with Eccleston. Not so hot with Tennant. Was it chemistry between the actors, or a change in the writing? Not sure. I really liked the interplay between Rose and the Eccleston Doctor. But Eccleston was SO good maybe he just made anyone near him look good. I agree with others here who say this season was not good for Rose. Too much smarmy cooing and gooing, and not enough depth. Not sure if that was Billie Piper's fault, though. For what it's worth, Piper was kinda neat because she wasn't a supermodel hottie like they would have cast for the part in the US, but still cute. But with the rumor going around that she thought she was Bond girl material, Billie Piper herself may be expecting more of a career than she's likely to get. She also seemed a little snotty in a lot of the latest Confidential interviews. Mixed feelings. I like Tennant, and really liked the chemistry he had with Sarah Jane (who I had hated in the old episodes, but who did so well in this latest season.) Kinda wish they brought her back as the sidekick. But Tennant + Rose wasn't working. So hopefully, Tennant + Martha Jones will be an improvement.
Billie should've stayed on a couple of episodes more... by Col. Klink	Jul 5th, 2006 11:16:02 AM
It would have been an easier transition to have Billie and the new girl travel with the Dr. for a couple of episodes. Then Billie could have popped back to her flat leaving the Dr. and his new companion to travel on. I prefer multiple companions anyway, for some reason. It would have muted criticism of this second season if there had been an additional companion to block out some of Billie's doe-eyed pining.
Black is the new black by David Frames	Jul 5th, 2006 11:27:14 AM
Perhaps by "their kind" ForumFatale just meant actors who appear on the Bill...but he's probably just an ignorant, racist cunt. Hope the doc doesn't kiss this one! Remember he's a superior being (and not because hes white Forum...) - to a man of Gallifrey we humans are but chimps...wait a minute, Forum's had an effect on me!!!!!! Nurse, the screens!
I'm a not a racist but... by David Frames	Jul 5th, 2006 11:29:43 AM
I'd just like to say that some of my best friends are Black timelords companions.
Personally .... by fpuk99	Jul 5th, 2006 11:40:06 AM
.... I'd rather fuck Billie than Freema, but that's got nothing to do with the colour of her skin ForumFatale, you cunt.
i bet... by Obscura	Jul 5th, 2006 11:41:13 AM
...they shut us all up just by including the line "My twin sister used to work at Torchwood"
oh dear.... by Porco_Rosso	Jul 5th, 2006 11:42:23 AM
She was REALLY POOR in last weeks episode! Granted, she had nothing much to do, but I have a bad feeling about this...
Chav? by Hairy Nutsack	Jul 5th, 2006 12:38:13 PM
WTF is a chav? Seems like it's being thrown about in similar fashion to what ForumFatale did earlier.
Actually, Chavs are sorta hot.... by Col. Klink	Jul 5th, 2006 12:39:42 PM
...of course being an American, I don't have to live with them 7 days a week. I'd imagine the novelty would wear off rather quickly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cha v by Col. Klink	Jul 5th, 2006 12:40:56 PM
Wikipedia, the oracle of the 21 century!
whoa whoa by aestheticity	Jul 5th, 2006 12:45:18 PM
did billie piper kick your dog or something jarv? chavs don't get acting jobs. she PLAYED something of a chav on who. in actual fact, shes your traditional wanna-be-famous kid whos tried on a variety of stage careers before finding her feet post-that ginger twat chris evans on quaint british tv and will probably be on our screens occasionally for years to come. chavs don't act or indeed make any sort of success. if they somehow managed to, theyd cease to be chavs by virtue of attending all the right parties and no longer being seen at the local asda carpark. ----- for the record, i think shes got girl-next-door good looks, you know, down to earth. this freema wossname appears to be hot but probably right up her own arse with it. thats my armchair appraisal. if its unfair, im completely prepared to discuss it with her fully. in private.
ForumFatale is fairly racist as his kind goes by SpyGuy	Jul 5th, 2006 12:45:32 PM
Would you prefer Halle Berry over Renee Zellwegger? Damn right you would.
also, pics by aestheticity	Jul 5th, 2006 01:07:48 PM
official wallpapers of the lady in question: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho /gallery/martha/
Well... by Purgatori	Jul 5th, 2006 01:08:06 PM
I'm giving the new girl a chance for 3 reasons: 1. Her screen time was maybe 5 minutes total 2. Her character was brain scrambled for more than half that time 3. For all the good that Rose was, she was equally annoying, more so even than Tegan and Nyssa combined. So this gal can't be that bad. So pardon my idiocy and lack of knowledge, but what exactly does Chav mean? I have an idea, but I'd like to know.
Thanks Col Klink by Purgatori	Jul 5th, 2006 01:10:41 PM
Didn't catch that the first time around. :)
For God's Sake, Herc, It's Series 2, not Season 28 by LordKensington	Jul 5th, 2006 01:26:52 PM
Your insistence on posting otherwise is beyond nerdy and sad. We all know it's a continuation of the old show, but it's okay to identify the new episodes by their proper designations.
Jarv by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 01:31:18 PM
I'm not sure that's good enough. Not just because of all the brand names that I don't understand, but also because of common sense. If Beyonce or JLo or somebody showed up at my door and was like "I wanna fuck you," I wouldn't scream "No way, your music sucks!" and slam the door in her face. Because her awful songs would have nothing to do with her being totally fuckable. Dig?
I just went to wiki and read the definition of "chav." by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 01:34:15 PM
So, it's like an elitist/classist thing then.
and for the record: by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 01:38:30 PM
I don't believe that Rose Tyler has worn any "bling" at any point, she hasn't worn any adidas track suits or name brand clothes, we've never heard anything about the type of music her character likes, and we've never seen her manifest anti-social behavior or violence. We have seen her eat fish and chips on the bus, though... But that's just because she's supposed to be a real person and not a classist fucko.
Kensington...... by Hairy Nutsack	Jul 5th, 2006 01:54:24 PM
You obviously weren't around when people were screaming about how to properly designate the show, obviously the uber-nerds won the debate. What I haven't been able to figure out is how people consider Dr. Who the longest running contiguous show when there were gaps between seasons, sometimes gaps of years. Also, how many actual hours of show have aired?
Billie's pronunciation is certainly chav by CrispyOne	Jul 5th, 2006 01:58:20 PM
Listen to her voiceover at the beginning of this past episode. Poor thing can't say the TH sound. "Planet Earf. Da first 19 years of my life nuffin happened. Nuffin at all." and "I fought it would never end." Hilarious.
Now it's on to "chav pronunciation." by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 02:04:57 PM
I guess that's one more way to be elitist and classist.
Hey, I got nuffin against chavs by CrispyOne	Jul 5th, 2006 02:06:25 PM
They're hot.
Rich Chavs... by ZeroCorpse	Jul 5th, 2006 02:14:53 PM
I would say Kevin Federline is probably the only rich Chav (though he's American) in the world. I never saw Rose as a chavette, although she was lower class and that was part of the charm of her character- The poor girl living with her mum, working in a shop, with a dead father and a cowardly boyfriend gets to go into space and travel through time. The doctor's companion is supposed to be the conduit for the audience- she's our proxy, and she stood for lower middle class people who may never get to see the world outside their own council flat. It was the intended dynamic, and it worked. She was always meant for greater things, and the Doctor made it happen... If even for a little while.
Time for some stability on Doctor Who by supertoyslast	Jul 5th, 2006 02:35:32 PM
I admire RTD's attempts to keep the show moving and changing quickly, but it's time to settle down a bit. Eccleston leaves at the end of the first series. Piper leaves at the end of the second. I hope that Tennant and Agyeman will both be on the show for the next two years to allow the writers to really get to grips with the characters and for the characters to develop a bit, rather than just moving to the next dramatic plot point. I like Agyeman's casting, mainly because I was getting a bit tired of Piper. Her 'guest star' performance last week was comparable to most Doctor Who guest stars. It was brief, but certainly not crap. And I believe in giving people a chance. Personally, I find her more attractive than Piper (I'm white, if that has and relevance whatsoever). I wish I could be surprised that people are saying this is "PC casting" by the BBC. This seems to imply that "she was only cast because she's black". My question is - can a black actress ever be cast in a role which could equally be taken by a white actress without it being PC? After all, I wouldn't describe Piper's casting as "un-PC".
jar jar by aestheticity	Jul 5th, 2006 02:48:05 PM
if you had to go to wikipedia to see what it means, and you consider it 'elitist and classist' as you've said 3 times, then you obviously don't live in a world where you need a word like chav. the rest of us do. or you could just accuse everyone of being 'elitist and classist' another ten or twenty times.
aestheticity by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 03:09:14 PM
How about I just accused you of being elitist and classist one time?
oops by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 03:09:50 PM
"accuse you"
Forum Fatale by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 5th, 2006 03:40:55 PM
You are a racist. And a cunt. Here endeth the lesson.
"Chav" IS an elitist term by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 5th, 2006 04:47:58 PM
It wouldnt bother me so much if you could point to the character and show up all her negative attributes and then put a name-tag to it, but you cant. "Has an accent" and "wore something that looked a bit like a tracksuit" are not negative attributes. You are attacking the character for the area she grew up in; hence her accent (racist) and how stylishly she can afford to dress (classist). Classic definitions of chavs include many negative attributes, of which Rose shares none. Your willingness to thrown her into your much hated category anyway, based merely on the factors I mentioned above, only shows what an intolerant pig you are. If you hate the character and the approach of the show so completely, stop watching it. It'll do just fine without you. And yeah its Season Two! The show has not been on hiatus for 16 years. It was cancelled. This new show is made by a different production crew, working for a different part of the BBC on a new and different series. You may as well call The Next Generation "Star Trek Season Four". The BBC who owns and makes the show have designated it a new show. What sort of arrogant fool would argue with them. Its their property after all.
hulk_beanpoll by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 05:12:09 PM
You said it all, right there.
Ooh, cool. She's hot. by SpacePhil	Jul 5th, 2006 05:28:36 PM
Kind of reminds me of Halle Berry. Hmm. Well, I wonder how this will play out next week.
Wake up by Bono Luthor	Jul 5th, 2006 05:40:54 PM
Some people really have a lot to learn about how the world works. Naivety is really sweet and may get you laid a few times around the 17 - 25 period, but reality will bite your arse sooner or later.
Bono Luthor by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 05:48:27 PM
Maybe you could enlighten us as to what your last post is supposed to mean? Everybody is naive until they realize that they should be a racist? Racism is how the world works--so you should be one? Hmmm... I'm gonna say: not convinced. Try again if you like.
Also... by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jul 5th, 2006 05:50:19 PM
People make fun of my screen name because it has Jar Jar in it... But you get away with having "Bono" in your name? Nobody says anything? Fuck that! Bono is a cunt.
Out of Cuiousity by EyeofPolyphemus	Jul 5th, 2006 05:58:06 PM
The Doctor is a vagrant, has a souped up vehicle, used to dress in a leather jacket like a hoodlum, commits acts of vandalism and destruction, demonstrates antisocial behavior by calling humans stupid apes, and likes punk music. Why isn
Face it... by photoboy	Jul 5th, 2006 06:08:03 PM
...if Rose wasn't travelling the universe with the Doctor she'd get pissed on White Lighning every Friday night and end up getting a spit roast with Mickey and some of his mates. After she's had a few bastard kids she'll be eligible for benefits and her own council flat all at the tax payer's expense! Then she can sit in front of the telly all day watching Trisha, eating chips and getting fat. Meanwhile, like all chavs, she won't give a shit about what her kids are doing and they'll be busy terrorising the Powell estate with vandalism, underage sex and drug taking making the cycle complete.
st tng had tng added to it to differentiate by aestheticity	Jul 5th, 2006 06:38:24 PM
along with new premise, ship and crew. dr who is still called dr who, has the same credits, is the same dr in the same tardis doing the same stuff. just something to consider in the naming convention debate.
Jar Jar 4 Prez by Bono Luthor	Jul 5th, 2006 06:39:37 PM
I am not going to explain my post to you little one (or my name). Create your own meaning. That's how all of this works. Didn't anyone tell you young chap? Shame. Also, by the language you choose to use you show yourself for what you are, which is quite unpleasant indeed. Throw around words like 'racist' all you like. I'm sure someone, somewhere will be impressed.
Jar Jar 4 Prez by Bono Luthor	Jul 5th, 2006 06:49:03 PM
I was going to bed, but then I saw your post about having sexual relations with JLO and Beyonce. Still laughing at that. You seem to view the most profound act of communication between human beings as something common, disposable and vulgar, which I guess sums you up. Now please, just to make my night complete, call me 'elitist and classist'? Go on. Please. You know you want to. It would mean so much. Dig?
'Freema Agyeman stole that kids sneakers! by XoanonTORN	Jul 5th, 2006 07:21:15 PM
I saw her very briefly in 'Army of Ghosts', but looks like a believable character/companion. This generation of Who fans have had to deal with a change of Doctors, I wonder how they will take to a change of companions? Rose, in this new series, really felt like a core character, the whole Whoniverse seems to revolve around her, her home, her parents etc... I hope new fans will understand that a change of companion is nothing too traumatic...us older fans are quite used to it! 'Freema Agyeman stole that kids sneakers!
I have to go with the season 29 camp too... by ComputerGuy68	Jul 5th, 2006 08:06:16 PM
Sarah Jane Smith sealed the deal for me. Rose was good last season, but now she bothers me. Look forward to a new (and hot) face on the show.
aestheticity by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 5th, 2006 08:06:25 PM
I take your point about the continuity with the previous series being good. In a narrative sense the new show is undoubtedly a continuation of the old show. But in every other way, its different. They are telling different stories in a different format. It has also been designed to be completely friendly to new viewers. If you've never seen old Dr Who you start with the first episode of the new series. You DONT go back 30 years to catch up on everything you missed. Things like season designations and episode numbers really have nothing to do with the narrative of a program. They are a production consideration for the most part. The production team and company that owns the property has designated it a new series with good reason. Fans are going to continue to disagree about it and I guess I dont care enough to... care. But when I see Herc posting a link to the "Complete First Series dvd boxset" (as stated on the box) and calling it Season 27? That's confusing and pretty retarded.
photoboy by EyeofPolyphemus	Jul 5th, 2006 08:50:56 PM
I disagree. Had Roe not met the Doctor, she would have continued on the path towards being just like her mother. While Jackie isn't a great role model, she does not have the type of life you described. You shouldn't dismiss how different life circumstances can change a person, either.
Next year's series is DOCTOR WHO (Vol. 2) Series 3 by SpyGuy	Jul 5th, 2006 10:21:17 PM
DOCTOR WHO (Vol. 1) ran from Seasons 1-26 and now DOCTOR WHO (Vol. 2) is approaching the end of Season/Series 2. Honestly, comic book geeks figured this shit out years ago in 1986 after CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS and the SUPERMAN and WONDER WOMAN reboots, so I have no idea why Herc can't wrap his cerebrum around it. Both Volumes are considered canon and link together (especially after "School Reunion") but are separate entities. Or should the 1980s MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE series have kept the Season numbering from the 1960s series?
Sorry, I didn't know Cheltenham UK was a "race" by CrispyOne	Jul 5th, 2006 10:32:42 PM
Now I know. The things you learn on AICN. I apologize to the Chav race for my insensitivity.
CrispyOne by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 12:41:23 AM
If you are referring to my post where I said "attacking the character for the area she grew up in; hence her accent (racist)" then yes technically that is not racism; maybe I should have said "regionist" or made up some other term. I think my point is pretty clear. Disliking someone because they come from a certain area is just as bad and stupid as racism, if not technically the same thing.
For the record, Rose was called a "Chav" in one episode by Col. Klink	Jul 6th, 2006 01:04:14 AM
In this season's first episode, New Earth, when Cassandra takes over Rose's body and looks in the mirror, she screams "Oh my God, I'm a chav!" So even RTD isn't above being an elitist. ;)
LOL Col. Klink by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 01:30:54 AM
Also worth mentioning that the character who said it (Cassandra) WAS racist, elitist and evil.
Americans whinging about calling people chavs by Monkey Butler	Jul 6th, 2006 03:37:49 AM
I'm guessing you've never called people white trash? Or bogans, or derros? Actually, I'm not sure if those last two translate across to the US, but whatever. Yeah it's classist or racist or whatever, but white trash is still white trash. And to whoever said that Kevin Federline is probably the world's richest chav, what about Beckham? He fits the Cashed-up Bogan stereotype to a T.
Cheltenham UK is not a race... by photoboy	Jul 6th, 2006 03:45:01 AM
...it's a place! The term chav allegedly came from the Ladies College in Cheltenham, who dubbed the council house scum as "Cheltenham Averages" or ChAvs for short. If you go to Chelteham don't go near Princess Elizabeth Way if you value your car or your wallet, it's where all the drunken joy-rider chavs live.
.ADRIC RETURNS!!! by Master Bruce	Jul 6th, 2006 04:15:23 AM
You konw you want to see it.
The BBC only cast TOM BAKER because he was BLACK!!! by Mike Nesmith	Jul 6th, 2006 04:18:32 AM
He had the afro, anyway...
Or what about Dodo?...or maybe... by Master Bruce	Jul 6th, 2006 04:22:32 AM
Steven? Is Polly still with us? So many companions...so little time...or so much time, depends on you POV really. VWORP! VWORP!
"There is nothing racist about calling someone a chav." by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 05:17:00 AM
Yeah for which I have already qualified my statement. My issue isnt that you would think negatively about people displaying negative characteristics, its that Rose doesnt meet a single criteria for your definition of a chav - "worship of tat, 0 aspirations, ill education, fear of books (and bizarrely- an anti snobbery against books), obesity, and a tendency towards violence" - and yet people can't slap the title on her fast enough. If racism keeps coming up, its because the reasoning here bears an idiotic resemblance: "if she lives on a council estate she must be a chav"; people are randomly assigning her characteristics based on her place of origin. So Im sorry. Its not racist. Its just small minded and fucking stupid. My bad.
I'm sorry Jarv by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 06:06:28 AM
But you're wrong on every count. - I'm not American (although last time I checked Americans CAN understand things that have been repeatedly explained to them - sure you're not racist? I must have the "mindset" of an American ;)) - She does not have the mindset of a chav; re-check your own points above: she doesn't tend towards violence, isn't obese, can and does read, has a basic educatation and a desire to pick up and retain information wherever it presents itself, and has aspirations far beyond those of her peers (which is a sore point between her and her mother). - Her style of clothing varies wildly: period costume (The Unquiet Dead, The Idiot's Lantern), contemporary casual (t-shirt and jeans - lots of episodes), contemporary dressy (The Long Game). I dont recall ever seeing her in a tracksuit, although she wore that red hoody thing a fair bit. But she doesnt have a style of dress as such. She dresses according to either whim or practicality and her outfits vary... well more than mine or most people's probably. The point is she isn't a chav. She just isn't. And every time the point is refuted the people who want to go on believing it just change tack; It's where she comes from, no its what she does, no wait its how she thinks. - There's only one thing you're close to right about. I do think she's a very pretty young woman. It doesn't impair my ability to judge her on her merits rather than on some arbitrary grudge that doesnt hold water.
If Agyeman was white, SHE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CAST. by ForumFatale	Jul 6th, 2006 06:46:03 AM
It's that simple. No, I'm not a racist. I'm a realist and I'm not as naive as you guys are. Are you all like 17 years old? Please, you don't know how the world works.
ForumFatale by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 06:52:26 AM
Prove it or shut up. Its obvious youre just trying to rub people the wrong way. You have nothing to say worth saying. If she was white she wouldn't have been cast? What do you base that on? Lots of people have been cast in new Dr Who (including two companions so far) who have not been black. This will be the second regular cast member (out of seven) who is not white. So far the one thing all the cast have had in common is their ability to embody the role for which they were cast. On what evidence do you base that this one will be any different? Whats that? None? Yeah thought so.
I'm Australian actually by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 07:28:56 AM
but thanks for asking. As for the accusation that you are racist, I'm sorry. Obviously it offends you and you haven't said anything racist (unlike our clever friend ForumFatale) so I'll take you at your word and apologise. As for the estuary accent, that's surely a product of the location in which she was born and I've already addressed that point. You yourself said its not a question of geography. A lot of people speak in that accent. Are they all without exception chavs? She does check her phone a lot. In the example you cite, its far from useless. It links to the local network and feeds her info about the world she's landed on. So it was hardly a useless thing to do. Her hoody is somewhat suggestive of chavness (which is why I conceded it)but you have to admit she uses the wardrobe at her disposal to try different things. If I was far from home, I'd probably cling to the things that reminded me of them (my clothes and phone for example).
Haha. Perhaps generous. by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 07:48:54 AM
And yeah I think I understand now what you are saying about the accent. Its something I can relate to in a roundabout sort of way. So are you saying then that the way Rose speaks is not the way she should speak for the area she lives in?
ForumFatale: If you're not racist, why do you care? by SpyGuy	Jul 6th, 2006 07:58:01 AM
The character's name is Martha Jones, which in this day and age, generally implies the character will be black. Would you be happier if the actress playing the character was white and if so, WHY would you? Only a racist would actually be bothered that a black actress was selected over a white one. If you want to talk naivete, kid, you have it in spades. Grow the fuck up already.
Well since we're admitting things... by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 07:58:45 AM
yeah I'd like to give her a good hard seeing to. I dont feel dirty about it, but if I did it right, that feeling would come later.
My point is, she's not talented. She's nothing special. by ForumFatale	Jul 6th, 2006 08:09:04 AM
In fact, Agyeman, is a rubbish actress. She was shit in The Bill and she was shit in Doctor Who. Therefore, she is a rubbish actress. SHE HAS NOT BEEN CHOSEN BECAUSE OF HER ACTING TALENT. THEREFORE WE CONCLUDE SHE HAS BEEN CHOSEN DUE TO OTHER FACTORS: SPECIFICALLY, THE COLOUR OF HER SKIN. Seriously, do you not think that the amount of black female viewers will DRAMATICALLY increase once she becomes one of the leads? It's a ratings ploy and a 'hey look at us, we're all about equal opportunities' here statement from the BBC. In actuality, it's the very opposite of Equal Opportunities. If it was about Equal Opportunities, a more talented actress would have gotten the part. This isn't always the case. The black doctor in House is an amazing actor and clearly got his job based not on the colour of his skin, but on his dramatic quality, his voice, his presence. Agyeman has none of these things - she is the lowest of the low, a black person who uses their skin colour in order to get to places ahead of hard-working whites.
ForumFatale, you're a dick. by Johnny Wishbone	Jul 6th, 2006 08:18:18 AM

ForumFatale, the more you post, the more you lose cred by SpyGuy	Jul 6th, 2006 09:23:24 AM
Okay, so if Agyeman (a "rubbish actress" in your words) was chosen solely because she was black, then why didn't the producers just get another black actress that isn't "rubbish"? Or is Agyeman the only hot black actress in England? I'm sure "hard-working whites" would love to know, you racist douchebag.
"the lowest of the low" by David Frames	Jul 6th, 2006 10:05:40 AM
I don't think you're for real Mr Fatale, noone would labour an argument this piss-weak. She got the part, if anything, because she's young, attractive and would have demonstrated a good chemistry with Tennant (this being the one thing that actually matters). Of course the beeb make a calculation as to how popular she's likely to be with both male and female viewers but listen, if she was chosen for her looks alone it wouldn't be the first time. The docs had plenty of poorly portrayed but pretty companions - Peri anyone? Great rack but not you'd have to say not an acting juggernaut. Lela? That girl could grunt but wasn't exactly Katherine Hepburn as you could see from her work in Bergerac and Eastenders. So yes, you may have an argument in the acting stakes but why go on about the girl's skin colour? You can hardly begrudge her winning the part (on merit I'm sure) after all the doc hasn't had a black companion in 43 years. Isn't it about time he did? forget all this crap about more deserving white women - if they were more deserving they'd be cast...as about a billion actresses were before this one. I'm looking forward to seeing the man get his time-travelling hands on her.
why are we debating forumfatale by aestheticity	Jul 6th, 2006 10:13:29 AM
when firstly, he already revealed the utter depth of his prejudice and how it rules his opinion (or at least his preparedness to use such a wretched concept to wind us up), and secondly, both his actions and his NAME - ForumFatale, people, look at the name - suggest TROLL. its a TROLL who wont stop prodding people into reactions while sniggering over his cheeto's. sad bastard. please stop providing him with fodder.
and in the meantime by aestheticity	Jul 6th, 2006 10:18:11 AM
watch the minitrailers for saturdays ep here http://tinyurl.com/rlc67
Peri's amazing tits by David Frames	Jul 6th, 2006 10:18:41 AM
I agree aestheticity and I'm going to stop now but I'd put one million pounds on fatale being a native of plumstead. Those familar with the place will know the score.
^ Wait... by photoboy	Jul 6th, 2006 12:52:20 PM
... I read your post hoping to hear about Peri's amazing tits but it wasn't about that. I want to hear about Peri's tits!
who is peri by aestheticity	Jul 6th, 2006 01:25:05 PM
and where are her amazing tits? are we talking a pair of circus trained birds here?
Maybe Agyeman..... by Hairy Nutsack	Jul 6th, 2006 01:35:32 PM
Maybe Agyeman is a fantastic lay, casting couch anyone? The point is we don't know why she was picked, and I shudder to admit that FF might even be right, but his/her reasons and logic demonstrate obvious racism and for that he/she can go to hell.
the difference between Beckham & Federline by lynxpro	Jul 6th, 2006 02:09:41 PM
Uhm, Beckham is talented. One of the greatest soccer/footballers of all time. And Kevin Federline is...uhm...the perfect posterboy commercial for the usage of condoms. Contrary to Monty Python, every sperm is NOT sacred.
no nutsack: by aestheticity	Jul 6th, 2006 02:10:28 PM
rtd is gay.
I don't like Talkbackers, so I must be racist by CrispyOne	Jul 6th, 2006 02:23:43 PM
Because to me, you all look and sound alike. And since I can actually see or hear you, that's saying something.
CrispyOne: So, you're racist about YOURSELF? by SpyGuy	Jul 6th, 2006 02:32:55 PM
If you don't like Talkbackers and you're a Talkbacker talking back in a Talkback, then logically you're a self-hating Talkbacker. I admire your commitment, though.
for aestheticity, on the subject of Peri by lynxpro	Jul 6th, 2006 03:17:50 PM
And despite nearly 20 years since she was on Doctor Who, she (Nicola Bryant) still looks great...a MILF so-to-speak if she had a child: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P eri_Brown
I loved peri by Col. Klink	Jul 6th, 2006 03:46:58 PM

I loved Peri's stereotypical American accent... by Col. Klink	Jul 6th, 2006 03:50:58 PM
..."Are yooo all right, Doc-tour?" LOL! Now Jamie Bamber of BSG, on the other hand, totally surprised me when I heard him speaking with his natural British accent during an interview. His US accent is so dead on, I never suspected he was British.
Well I tried to read your article Fatale by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 05:27:07 PM
and I couldn't find it on that crappy board. I searched for it and everything. Thanks for wasting five minutes of my time; though maybe I should be more grateful that I didn't have to read the article itself. How about you re-post it here, or give us a proper link to check it out. I know it will be rubbish, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and explain your argument since you havn't done it here.
Wait a second... by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 05:28:50 PM
Why do you suddenly have a different username in that last post? Surely you can't be an imposter. Who would want to pretend to be that guy?
Two identities? by Hairy Nutsack	Jul 6th, 2006 06:23:07 PM
Holy shit it's true! Doc Pazuzu is everywhere!
Nice topic intro.... by Hairy Nutsack	Jul 6th, 2006 06:27:58 PM
Here's ForumFatale's topic intro for TV/Movies- "Well fuck my ass and call me a bitch." Ummm, no thanks, and where the fuck is your Nazi treatise on why the BBC should never hire blacks?
Ice Warriors in 1ep series 3 by Siluri	Jul 6th, 2006 06:59:44 PM
Read in tabloid that new assistant will battle The Ice Warriors in her first episode,,hope so :)
Yes I'm racist against myself by CrispyOne	Jul 6th, 2006 08:13:14 PM
I won't serve myself at restaurants and I certainly wouldn't sit next to myself on the bus. It's a complicated existence.
Thanks Forum Fatale by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 08:59:55 PM
I'm not going to register. Now even slightly. Now if you want to repost your article here, or give us the jist of it I'll hear you out. Otherwise I'll just assume its pretty much what youve already said and forget it.
Or not even slightly by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 09:04:42 PM
Hey, Ive got a totally original idea. Why don't we ask for an edit button in these things? Good plan, aye.
Speaking of correcting ourselves... by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 09:08:44 PM
I think your post should read "2 controversial articles a week on topics in the news" not "2 articles a week on controversial topics in the news". The only one who finds it controversial is you.
by EyeofPolyphemus	Jul 6th, 2006 09:42:00 PM
I have no complaints about Freema Agyema at all. I'm a wait and see guy, but i will be disappointed if there is no compelling reason for Martha Jones to become a companion. i don't want this to be a matter of, 'Well, Rose is dead. you want to come along?" That would cheapen the connection the Doctor had with Rose. I understand there has been a lot of companion turnover, but i am joping--if you'll ecuse the comic geek reference here--that it winds up being like the way Tim Drake became Robin after Jason Todd was killed. You know, Martha convinces the Doctor that having a companion is a vital part of what he is. he can't be without one.
Polyphemus: The Doctor doesn't need any convincing by SpyGuy	Jul 6th, 2006 10:02:04 PM
To paraphrase Reinette from my new favorite episode "The Girl in the Fireplace," the Doctor is a lonely bugger, now more than ever with his race (presumably) wiped out of existence following the Time War. The transition between Rose and Martha should be eased somewhat with no Companion (also presumably) in this year's Christmas Special. Martha doesn't appear until next April, so the Doctor probably encounters her during an Ice Warrior invasion or something. "Nice to meet you, Martha...RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!"
Polyphemus..... by Hairy Nutsack	Jul 6th, 2006 10:21:38 PM
I think you need to provide a compelling reason the Doctor brought Rose on board before you can demand a reason for Martha. Why does there need to be a reason other than the Doc likes someone and welcomes them aboard? Not like Rose brought some sort of insights into space/time.
Nutsack by EyeofPolyphemus	Jul 6th, 2006 10:53:44 PM
Rose did bring insight to the doctor. she was his conscience in "The Unquiet dead' and "Dalek" plus she saved the day in "The Parting of the Ways." He was losing his compassion before he hooked up with her. She restored his faith by "TPoTW." That was a compelling reason for her to be a companion. Presumably the death of rose will leave a void that Martha will fill rather than be someone to screw up and get captured just to move the story along.
But that was a good reason for Rose to stay, not join by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 6th, 2006 11:49:47 PM
His invitation to her seemed fairly arbitrary at the time. You're citing stuff that happened later as a justification for it and it certainly made the season richer, but it isn't any better a reason for his initial decision.
Hulk-beanpole by EyeofPolyphemus	Jul 7th, 2006 12:47:04 AM
Do you automatically know why you like certain people at first glance and don't care for other's at all? Why some strangers you are just polite to while others become friends? Not to get all metaphysical here, but sometimes you just click and don't know why. I think that was the point of Rose and (especially) the Ninth Doctor. They needed each other. I don't think he chose her arbitrarily because he spent the entire episode telling her to forget him, then came back again to convince her to go with him by revealing the TARDIS was a time machine. He didn't want just any companion. he wanted her and suffered Jackie and Mickey to keep her happy.
Yep, what beanpoll said..... by Hairy Nutsack	Jul 7th, 2006 12:49:30 AM
I'm glad the Doc took Rose along, personally I wish Mickey had joined them too, but Rose was nothing more than a stupid ape at first as far as the Doc knew.
I dont disagree EyeofPolyphemus by hulk_beanpoll	Jul 7th, 2006 01:46:38 AM
But I think the Doctor's enforced solitude was the result of the Time War. Rose was a massive part of helping him get over that, and any survivor guilt that he might still have been clinging to disipated when he regenerated in Parting of the Ways. Rose has given him something very precious; a chance to relive his adventures through less jaded eyes. Now that its done and he's more like his old self there's no reason he couldn't carry on travelling with just anybody for company, much as he did in the old days.
Peri's amazing tits: regenerated by David Frames	Jul 7th, 2006 03:42:26 AM
Peri (Nicola Byrant) was a companion of the Fifth and Sixth Doctor. As Piere Davidson regenerated he died staring into her ample clevage. Thats how I want to to go. C Baker,clearly insane, tried to strangle her in a fit of post-regnerate phycosis.Low neck lines were complusory in the TARDIS back in those days. Google her for that shot in the Caves of Adrozani, you'll be glad you did.
Peri's WHOters by SpyGuy	Jul 7th, 2006 07:44:14 AM
"The Caves of Androzani" was definitely a keeper, but don't forget about "The Two Doctors"... http://tinyurl.com/hyure
RE: Peri's WHOters by David Frames	Jul 7th, 2006 09:09:43 AM
...and what a curious euphemism for breasts "doctors" was. T.V really was better in the past, wasn't it?
I want Peri back... by lynxpro	Jul 7th, 2006 11:59:14 AM
If I had been the 5th Doctor, I would've sired a couple of half-Time Lords with her. Err, 1/4th Time Lords I mean...my mistake. :)
I'll bet Fatale is attempting "disruptive marketing" by BrandLoyalist	Jul 7th, 2006 12:47:52 PM
Kind of like that tasteful Sony White is Coming ad, the one that plays the old "violent racist new-wave domination fantasy angle" (to quote one Kent Jones) to raise awareness of their new game unit. Sure, I'll register on your forum -- I'm so outraged, I've just got to! And then I'll visit every day and click the hell out of all of the adsense links. Just let me finish centering this swastika sticker on my new white PSP.
Martha Jones = Shakespeare's "Dark Lady" by ROBE	Jul 8th, 2006 04:54:40 AM
In the 3rd Season the Doctor and his new companion Martha Jones meet William Shakespeare. Now for centuries people have wondered who "The Dark Lady" was in one of his Sonnets. Maybe the Doctor Who producers will come up with their own version, Martha Jones?
She's hot - I'm happy by kuryakin	Jul 8th, 2006 01:02:19 PM
I'm guessing you geeks do the same as me and shout "Don't kill the hot one" when watching movies/TV (watched the Descent this week, I was shouting that all through it) so despite the eyebrows issue I think you'll agree this girl deserved a second chance. Billie was overshadowing the Doctor, so had to go. Besides - she wants to do other things. As far as the "they only cast her cos she's black" thing goes - there are lots of black actors out there and guess what, they actually can do their jobs too. Yes I know it's a shock but they do know how to do more than taking your bus tickets and mopping your floors, you ignorant cunts. Forum fatale - you are a fucking troll and you should fuck right off. "No Talent black" - what a twat you are
Tonights episode!! by newneo	Jul 8th, 2006 01:59:29 PM
Was bloody good!! and the ending was tremendous, not sure you yanks will entirely get it mind.
Forumfatale.. by newneo	Jul 8th, 2006 02:03:20 PM
If you want to convince us your not racist try not using words like ' this black' you complete mug!!
PORTRAYAL OF BLACK PEOPLE by DECKERS	Jul 9th, 2006 06:20:47 AM
It doesn't really matter the colour of the assistants skin is, what DOES annoy me is this apparant embargo on TV (both sides of the atlantic) which means black people cannot play bad or moderately dislikable characters-think about it..a black villain on TV, rare to say the least..why is this? Obviously TV producers are so afraid of upsetting the PC status quo the view of the world they present is totally fucked up.

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