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AICN COMICS REVIEWS CIVIL WAR! FEAR AGENT! INDIE JONES PRESENTS! AND MORE!!

First!! by docfalken	Jun 21st, 2006 09:58:39 PM
Maybe?
cogtacular by Darth Kal-El	Jun 21st, 2006 09:59:06 PM

@$$hole First. by dan grendel	Jun 21st, 2006 10:02:54 PM
Wow, timing?
Fourth! by BayouWilly	Jun 21st, 2006 10:04:02 PM
Comics are neat.
Civil War by BayouWilly	Jun 21st, 2006 10:10:49 PM
I would've liked more reviewers chiming in, as Buzz isn't the strongest guy in the fold. Big ups for JLA Classified and no love for Civil War and Wolverine Origins? Am I the only one that likes modern comics?
and so it begins... by blackthought	Jun 21st, 2006 10:16:00 PM

Bats aren't rodents, they're mammals, nearly primates. by Regicidal_Maniac	Jun 21st, 2006 10:25:06 PM
Civil War rocks, the art, the story, the pacing everything. I usually steer clear of crossovers, and I'm not buying any of the extraneous titles just these seven issues. I like the characterisations, different creators bring different views of these characters to the table. It's up to the fans to reconcile these takes with what we feel we know of the characters. I CAN'T WAIT til DC turns Millar loose on Superman and lets him go wild.
The Spidey issue doesn't earn it... by Ribbons	Jun 21st, 2006 11:13:03 PM
...you might be slightly comforted though, Buzz, to learn that Peter came to his decision to unmask because Aunt May told him to. That's basically all there is to it. She gives a really, really sappy speech about how proud she is of him and how the rest of the world needs to be proud of him too and then he agrees, just like that. Although it doesn't really matter what Aunt May said to Peter, because that issue was written in response to "Civil War" #2. It's not like Millar was waiting for Aunt May's permission to reveal Spider-Man's identity to the rest of the world. That is a problem for me; I think that fans do need to be a little more receptive to writers trying new things with established characters, but Millar doesn't earn it. He always goes for shocks, twists, big reveals, because he's obsessed with the notion of writing a blockbuster movie, rather than a serialized comic book. Tony's just a counterpoint mouthpiece in this series, so the fact that he seems out-of-character is borne more out of necessity than anything else, and I'm actually sort of okay with that, especially since I'm interested in seeing where this story goes. And it goes without saying that the art is gorgeous. Absolutely jaw-dropping. Patriot's escape from the police really has to be seen to be believed.
the only problem with comics... by blackthought	Jun 21st, 2006 11:18:28 PM
really...is the lack of adverts in them...the more the better i say.
Dear Dan (Re: BoogiePop) by Psynapse	Jun 21st, 2006 11:28:34 PM
1)A LOT will be cleared up by volume 2.2) The disjointed style of the manga is cake compared to the anime which actually jumped forward and backward in time several times during an episode. It's also how the novel was written.*3) The seemingly necrophiliac schoolgirl is in fact Manticore who is both the killer and the source of the SLAVE drug that Nagi is beating up people over. Boogiepop is one of the coolest stories ever in my opinion....
Tales of Leonardo: Blind Sight= MUST READ by crackerfarmboy	Jun 21st, 2006 11:33:16 PM
Everyone here should check out the new TMNT mini-series by Mirage. It's called "Tales of Leonardo: Blind Sight". It continues the story from "Tales of the TMNT Vol. 2 #5". It features Leonardo who is depressed about being blinded in a suprise attack (Tales #5). It covers how he attempts to cope with defeat. It's an awesome read so far. #1 of 4 is in stands now. It figures that AICN completely ignores TMNT comics, despite there reputation for awesomeness! I guess Spiderman doesn't get enough attention these days.
Manga by maxwell's hammer	Jun 21st, 2006 11:37:15 PM
Manga is stupid, and is also gay, and is also dumb. And boring.. I really don't know since I've never read any manga, but being uninformed and mean is cool. Hey, I work with a guy who is, in his spare time, a voice-over actor who does voices on DragonBall-Z and Full Metal Alchemist. But I think Manga and Anime are still stupid. More like...Big Eye for the...LAME guy!
i haven't read.... by ImissGnR	Jun 21st, 2006 11:47:26 PM
"Haven't read the ASM issue leading up to the unmasking decision, but I doubt like hell that it contained anything that didn't read like a contrived justification for something made inevitable by an editorial mandate" how about you read them instead of getting the fill-in from talk-backers. im sure your job of reviewing comics for the week is back breaking enough. nice "journalistic" approach. you should forward your reviews with "but i did stay at a holiday inn last night" or like what you wrote.. a wordy lack of background information on what your reviewing excuse...
Big Deal, So everyone winds up working for Shield.... by cookylamoo	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:22:07 AM
Just like theve been doing for the past five years.
Yeah, but... by Ribbons	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:23:00 AM
...the supplemental Civil War issues are really pretty superfluous. And most of them are bad. The only reason I even read the Spider-Man one is because I buy Amazing Spider-Man on a regular basis.
I'm loving Civil War. by dregmobile	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:38:35 AM
You guys already know that. I picked up Marvel Previews this morning and, well ... this may be a SPOILER for some, but it looks like Spider-man is going to turn on Stark ... at least by issue 535 of ASM. It's obvious from the cover. "Spider-man contemplates a move that will mean new friends and new foes". A move that "will cast him as either George Washington or Benedict Arnold". I will lap up most of these tie-in titles for their Civil War run, except for Heroes for Hire which looks like a team run by hookers. Looks totally gross ... fuck that. *** Stupid question ... but will the approaching six-issue Annihilation series be worth getting? I have missed these lead-ups and still want to tag along for the big ride. And I wonder if it will tie in with anything CW or if it's totally separate. *** Flicked through the Manhunter TP. Looks good. Will grab it when I pick up some other TP's shortly. Now to Justice #6 ...
In case anyone's interested.... by Psynapse	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:41:33 AM
Myspace:http://tinyurl.com/qf8 lb** Pimping of the page to follow........
ImissGnR's Comments... by Buzz Maverik	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:55:27 AM
...were edited for the sake of clarity. I think he was saying my review of CIVIL WAR # 2 was right on the mark and that it wouldn't have mattered if I'd read any of the ASM issues leading up to it because they were pulling all the Aunt May stuff out of their asses. I mean, I always got the idea that Aunt May was a little feeble minded. She's, like, Grammy Maverik's age and we don't even let her have the TV remote.
Boogiepop by dan grendel	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:59:25 AM
Hey Psynapse, I kinda wondered if that wasn't the case, but I can only review what I've got, you know? There seemed to be elements of a really cool story there, but it didn't connect together enough to work that way. In the case of a story like that, where it is so complex and intertwined that all the peices need to be there for it to work, I wonder if maybe Seven Seas shouldn't have released both volumes in one larger book instead of seperately like they are. Marketing and business reality may have required them to do it like they did, I dunno, but it really isn't doing the story or the readers any favors.
Civil War is contrived crap by Rupee88	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:05:45 AM
These summer "event" things are always contrived and transparently manipulative. I will confess that I enjoyed "House of M", but mainly because of the pretty artwork. I'm not even going to give Civil War a chance past the first issue. They will probably give Peter Parker back his anonymity in a few years (in another summer event), but I don't really care. I guess I've grown too much to read crappy comics and will stick to the few good comics that are out there, but don't sell that well in most cases.
Criminal by Arkhangelsk	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:33:56 AM
alright, i'm doing some recruiting for my man Ed Brubaker here. seems Bru and Sean Phillips will be collaborating on a new title from Marvel's Icon called Criminal. newsarama has this big post about it. this looks to me, that if Sleepers was Brubakers Hellblazer, Criminal could be his Preacher. so, yeah, shameless plug here, but let's not let what happened to sleeper happen to Criminal. so if you ever liked anything by Brubaker, or like crime stories, you MUST preorder this from your LCS. sorry for the rant, but its for your own good.
why bother with civil war to being with? by blackthought	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:44:10 AM
once issue 7 rolls around wanda is going to erase it all by saying put everything the way it was before house of m blah blah.
Ever seen a drunk turtle? by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:45:36 AM
/hic**So, I goes to my best buds B-Day party 2nite, and whos there but my super-X (that's 2 GFs ago). That's right, some douchenozzle invited her. What? Oh yeah comics....yeah, I got nothing. I need another drink.
Parker has a history of doing stupid shit by Tall_Boy	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:41:11 AM
I do buy the Civil War reveal because his character's origin is based around doing something stupid ("Hey, let that robber go. Not my problem.") and then paying for it. ("Uncle Ben? NOOOOOOOOO!!!") The character is inherently impulsive - he relies on his sense to go through things. Of course, this decision will turn around to bite him in the ass, that's what Peter Parker does. What it'll do for him in the long-term is a few years retcon down the road, sure. But, in the moment, in the issue, and in the history of the character, it works.
Spidey would NEVER unmask by Steve Rogers	Jun 22nd, 2006 03:23:22 AM
The whole rationale for it is BULLSHIT. Despite the self-justifying issue of ASM that just came out, all he is doing is endangering the lives of his lvoed ones, which he would NEVER do! How many thousands of stories have been told making this point??!! And that's what WILL happen - the only major story development possible from this is that MJ or Aunt May get in trouble over it. This latest development is on a par with the WRETCHED 'The Other' crossover, which was a massive pile of honking bollocks and advanced the character not one iota. I'll be interested to see how they try and get the toothpaste back in the tube afterwards, the fucktards. GIVE DAN SLOTT AMAZING SPIDER-MAN ALREADY!!
On Reed Richards.... by MattCG	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:59:03 AM
...I too was wondering when he turned into a facist, bootlicking cocksucker. Seriously, I've been going through back issues and this is all news to me. This Civil War thing I think wasn't prepped right. I haven't seen any indication of any of this shit anywhere in the MU so far and when the fuck was SHIELD the American gestapo? Spidey unmasking is the absolute least of my concerns about this series.
Dan Slott by Ribbons	Jun 22nd, 2006 08:13:44 AM
Eh. The guy's talented, but I'm getting sort of sick of hearing that he writes comics the way they're "supposed to be" written around here. I'm not really sure I'd want him handling ASM because I feel like he'd handle it as a genre exercise; while "Spider-Man/Human Torch" was a fun read and had a little bit of retro camp (don't deny this) appeal, I don't think I'd enjoy reading that style of Spider-Man on a monthly basis. Then again he'd probably be better than JMS anyway, so why not?
Re: Slott by Squashua	Jun 22nd, 2006 08:27:50 AM
It's not that Dan Slott writes comics "the way they're supposed to be written." It's that, at least to me and obviously to many others, he is able to evoke the fun atmosphere of the classic Marvel that I grew up with, before it became dark with Wolverines, Punishers, War Machines and Cables. Slott can create a warm and comforting classic Marvel Team-Up atmosphere. Remember when Aunt May was a herald of Galactus and The Thing had to take care of Franklin but they were in a giant pinball machine? Stuff like that. The other thing that Slott does is that even if he's stretching a storyline across multiple issues, each issue can be read on it's own and is meaty enough to be worth the money I shell out for it.
Civil War #2 by AlgertMopper	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:02:04 AM
Best thing you can do with CW#2? http://tinyurl.com/ehdra
Spidey's unmasking by scudd	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:12:07 AM
This event has really polarized the comic book community moreso than anything I've ever seen in my 16 years of collecting. Personally, though I don't completely agree with it, I'm really interested to see what they can do with it. If nothing else, it means a few fresh stories we haven't seen before and then it gets retconned. Let's wait before we all pass judgement.
Supreme Power HAS to be boring.... by cookylamoo	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:18:56 AM
It's a world without any Super-Villains. You've got the US Government (Bad) you've got certain members of the team (Bad) but mostly it's just super-powered bullies beating up on the normals. Pretty much as it would be in real life.
Nice review from Buzz. by rev_skarekroe	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:32:11 AM
Not a big joke (as Buzz is known to do), balanced (Buzz, unlike many genre geeks, realizes that there are levels between "best ever" and "worst ever"), and well written.
Also, this was a great comic week by rev_skarekroe	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:38:32 AM
I spent something like $37, and it was all on new comics - no trades or back issues. So far I've read Ultimates 2 (I love that Millar is writing what's essentially a Michael Bay style patriotic action piece without resorting to parody), New Avengers (my last issue of that book - the series is just way more bad than good), Astonishing X-Men (pretty good), and most of Giant Size Hulk (I'm now sold on Planet Hulk - I'll be getting the trade as soon as it comes out). Picked up a bunch of other stuff too, but haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
Journalists... by HCEarwicker	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:39:38 AM
...generally like to do a little something called "research." If you'd spent a little time looking up what's been going on in Spider-Man, you may have picked up this quote from Variety's Tom McLean. "Marvel has done a good job of building up to this moment in the pages of The Amazing Spider-Man and The New Avengers, where Spidey has become a prot
I hear that, Rev by Squashua	Jun 22nd, 2006 10:12:46 AM
I bought $40 worth of books yesterday and the new Invincible trade. Got that Hulk issue too because I never read Hulk: The End.
You shouldn't HAVE to read ASM to get Civil War by rev_skarekroe	Jun 22nd, 2006 10:27:11 AM
The tie-ins should just supplement the material in the main title. If ithe tie-in is a neccessity, then the story is secondary to getting you to buy books you wouldn't normally want. And I'm not into that.
Spidey's unmasking the most polarizing event ever? by loodabagel	Jun 22nd, 2006 10:42:10 AM
Wow, there hasn't been one of those since, oh say, Batman using a gun last month. I can't say I approve of it, but what can I do about it? I subscribe to Amazing Spiderman, so I'm just going to have to roll with the punches. Still, I have to admit the last issue of Amazing was just plain stupid. I assumed that since JMS could do a good job of making sense of Spidey's ridiculous new costume, he could probably make a decent effort of explaining his unmasking. But it appears I was wrong. Aunt May, who has been a very well written character under JMS's supervision, seems to have to reverted to her old 1-dimensional wheatcake feeding self. Sure, she can't exactly unlearn Spidey's secret, but could she at least try to maintain some of her dignity instead of sounding like a really bad episode of The West Wing? And to answer her question-Why don't U.S. senators wear masks to work? It's not because they're proud of their job and who they are, it's because they can't! U.S. senators, if they really are worried about their families getting killed, wish they could be Spiderman and have a secret identity. Still, at least Aunt May tried to make sense and the Scarlet Witch or Dr. Strange or some other mystical douchebag wasn't involved in the whole affair...yet. But as a whole, I'm still trying to enjoy the series.
Stark Says "I'm An Alcoholic".... by CaptDanielRoe	Jun 22nd, 2006 10:53:54 AM
...When he unmasks himself in one of the Civil War books. So I don't think "Or has it been decided that Stark was no longer ever a drunk?" is the case. ...The books are okay. My theory is that they are gonna off MJ or Aunt May.
dreg by Thalya	Jun 22nd, 2006 10:57:47 AM
Manhunter..TPB... .... SQUEE Good for you! **** And for those who haven't gotten in on Manhunter, hangs head and sighs. GO GET THE LATEST ISSUE ON THE STANDS, OUT THIS WEEK! YOU'LL THANK ME!
Civil War a smelly pile of shit by Firedrake	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:10:13 AM
It's a real crapfest, succeeding in only making me hate characters I previously enjoyed. And as has been said, you KNOW that 99% of it will get switched back. I'm betting they do something like find out that the whole Nitro thing was a setup to get the registration thing passed and the backlash of that revelation will put things back to "normal", or something like that. After all, we KNOW that they won't keep Cap a criminal for too long. I can't wait for it to be over, so that most of the characters can stop being asshats.
Nick Harris vs Axel Alonso on G4 by Shigeru	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:44:19 AM
Holy SHIT Axel Alonso is a smirking, smug, condescending ass-clown! "We're not here to please the hardcore fans". SHITE!!
Chameleon by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:45:06 AM
The Chameleon has been Peter Parker for a long time now. The Jackal succesfully reproduced the experiment that gave Peter Parker spider powers and used it on the Chameleon. Then they kidnapped the real Peter Parker and Chameleon replaced him, but lost his memory due to a bump on the head and thought he was the REAL Peter Parker. His memory was restored when he was "killed" by Morlun, instead his powers and the spider-powers reacted in a near death state to bring on more mutation, and the traumatic event brought back his memory. So Chameleon has now decided how best to mess with Peter Parker, by unmasking himself. About a year from now Peter parker will escape and fight the Chameleon-Spider, defeating him and revealing the truth, that Peter Parker was the chameleon the whole time, and the real Peter PArker was being held captive. He'll get Prowler to dress up as Spider-man to deliver the "rescued" Peter Parker. None of the "other" stuff will have ever happened to this Peter, but he also never married MJ, that was the Chameleon! And MJ is so mortified by the whole thing she leaves. Aunt May has a heart attack and when she wakes up she is so glad that Peter isn't really "that awful Spider Man from the papers", and every single genie is back in the bottle. I know you are thinking that this is impossible because Spider-man has fought the chameleon recently, right? Hey, I SAID the Jackal was involved, right? Those were Chameleon clones.
The problem, Earwicker... by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:45:24 AM
...is that Tom McLean is flat-out wrong. Just a few days ago I read through the last half-dozen issues of ASM, CIVIL WAR #1 & #2 and FRONTLINE #1. In no way did anybody at Marvel do a good job of building up to anything. It doesn't feel organic and it doesn't fit with the character. They're shoehorning it in because they want to. ASM's recent run literally went like this: Spider-Man is mystically granted a bunch of new powers at the end of a shitty 12-issue crossover full of a bunch of spider-god gobbledygook. Next issue: Spider-Man learns to use a couple of them to pervy affect ("hey, I just stuck a 12 year old girl to my naked back! Cool!". Very next issue: Tony Stark gives Peter a suit of armor which has even more new powers--but which in some ways blocks or overlaps with the mystical bullshit ones Petey just got last month. Next few issues: Peter, ignoring his entire past as a hero, decides to unmask himself because he wants to marry Tony Stark when he grows up. It's forced bullshit. They're warping the characters to tell the story they want. It's stupid because the truth is they could be telling the EXACT SAME STORY but using different characters who are infinitely better suited than Tony and Peter, but they needed the big guns.
Marvel doesn't give a shit by mrfan	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:47:57 AM
All they care about is making a fast buck with this crap. No respect for the fans or the characters. I pulled the plug on the Marvel lifesupport system some time ago.
No matter how ignorant & arrogant Axel Alonso is by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:25:57 PM
You are right, Sleazy. For those who haven't seen how big of a turd Axel Alonso is and how right Sleazy and the rest of the 'hardcore fans' that don't mean shit are, check this out http://tinyurl.com/ghope
In defense of JMS... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:30:32 PM
To say that JMS doesn't understand the character of Spider-Man, I think is unfair. I think his edidiotor is bashing cigars because they get in the way of his smoking crack, but I have evidence that JMS not only get Peter, but also the circle he inhabits. One of the few issues I picked up in my self-imposed comics exile (economic descision not moral) was the issue that Aunt May discovered Pete's deep dark super secret. It just worked. I won't go into specifics because I'm not looking forward to Buzz disecting me, but if you would have told me before that issue that Aunt May was going to discover who SM was, I would have told you the go eat shit, after punching you in the face for even bringing this kind of thing to my attention. JMS made it work, and noone was out of character, noone did something off the wall, hell Aunt May did what any old lady would do. She took a walk and mulled it over. My Aunt/Grandma would have done the same thing, how 'bout yours? My point is, I think JMS GETS it, he just doesn't necasarily LIKE it, so he and his crack-whore fat ass boss are doing everything they can to shit in Spider-Man's (and my) cereal. Oh yes, this is personal. This is a direct attack on me and that's the defense I'll use at the trial.
Buzz, that was an excellent review. by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:40:56 PM
Fair, balanced and correct. I found myself liking a lot of the plot (Cap leading a resistance and rescuing the Young Avengers), loving the art and production values, hating the characterizations of some characters (Spidey, Tony, Reed) and feeling led and forced by the editors at Marvel. Now That's what I call a mixed bag. I feel more has happened in these first two issues of Civil War than in the entire 8 of HoM and for that I'm grateful, but the Spider-Man unmasking just DOESN"T MAKE SENSE!!! SleazyG. said it best, "It feels like the characters are bending to fit the stories, instead of the stories bending to fit the characters." Well said, Sleazy. I really don't think that fans would be as angry if there really was more behind the unmasking, it's just that there
I hope they kill off Aunt May... by rev_skarekroe	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:47:00 PM
...only to later reveal that it was yet another actress that had taken her place! Or better yet, THIS Aunt May is the actress and the one that died revealing that she'd known Peter's secret for years wast he real one.
Engineer, that was genius by Squashua	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:49:25 PM
My real name is Joe Quesadilla; want a job here at Mahrville? :-)
DAMMIT REV! by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:52:02 PM
Don't give those cock-thirsty cum-guzzling gutter-sluts any ideas! Fat Joey Q. is a WHORE for someone else doing his job for him, and that's the GOD-DAMN problem in a nutshell!
Best news this week: by El Vale	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:53:40 PM
Vale's back OMG OMG OMG!
Now for the bad by El Vale	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:56:12 PM
I can't believe Buzz just reviewed a current book and Dave is still MIA, you know? It's like...when the good makes the sad more prominent one tear
OMG OMG OMG! by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:06:12 PM
Vale's back!
Manhunter - Catwoman by Arkhangelsk	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:16:25 PM
hey T., i bought issue 22 of Manhunter last week. okay, it was definitely better than issue #1, and it's not a total crapfest. but it just doesn't do it for me. it feels a little contrived. so, like i said before, if you like Manhunter, i'd strongly recommend you pick up the first issues of Catwoman, the relaunch helmed by Brubaker. i'm sure you'd love it.
Manhunter was great this week. by Squashua	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:30:19 PM
Special Guest Parent: Not Superman.
I thoght that Aunt May discovering Pete's Identity... by superhero	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:32:12 PM
Was VERY well done and I had hope in the beginning of the run for J. Michael...but then...but then...The league of Spider-Totem men and slutty Gwen Stacy sleeping with the Green Goblin...oh, for shame...I told my wife about the whole Gwen Stacy debacle because we were talking about the Spidey unmasking thing and she was also trying to talk me out of burning all of my Superman comics, figures, etc. after I see SUPERMAN RETURNS next week...and my wife said, about the whole Gwen thing, I kid you not...she said..."Wow, sound like THAT guy (J. Michael) doesn't understand women AT ALL!" Meaning a virtuous, upstanding woman wouldn't sleep with a slimeball because he was feling mopey. As a matter of fact she said that she doubted ANY woman would just sleep with a guy out of pity...except for my wife...she married me out of pity :O)...I love my wife! She gets Spidey characters more than J. Michael and she doesn't even READ comic books!
So lemme get this straight.... by Psynapse	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:36:31 PM
Peter Parker has decided to endanger anyone and everyone who has ever known him because Aunt May, Tony (I'm not as think you drunk I yam Ossifer) Stark and the goddamn U.S. Government told him it was the 'right' thing to do?? Ho-kaaaay.....(and we're the dumbasses for disagreeing with this?!?)
I like what Bru did with Bucky by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:52:23 PM
His Cap and Daredevil are consistently awesome. His Books of Doom mini was great too. Great ending.
If wanda does that... by Shigeru	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:54:00 PM
sure sounds like a Marvel-style 'Crisis' to me... which reminds me yet again of G4 and Axel Alonso whining like a little girl "We're Marvel, NOT DC!"
Wanda by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:54:50 PM
I saw a great photoshop of the ending to House of M where Wanda said "No more crossovers!" Then it goes to a panel of Peter Parker getting dressed talking to MJ. He says something like "I'm going to check out the Avengers tower and see if I can't find Captain America." MJ just looks at him and says "Who's Captain America?"
Doesn't this follow... by Thalya	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:56:23 PM
...along the theory that DC was doing all this crazy stuff to their characters deliberately over the past few years only to have it all undone in Crisis? Didn't really happen there, but could Marvel be trying to actually go through with it as it seems that's the only way around the stupid stuff they've been doing for at least a decade or two?
Bat's aren't Rodents Doctor Meridian by BojacRedleif	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:01:48 PM

Nope, Thalya because Axel said, "We're Marvel, NOT DC!" by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:08:50 PM
whine
Axel Alonso didn't come off as a prick in that clip... by Mr. Anderson	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:16:13 PM
he's just fed up with dealing with fans who can never be pleased with anything, ever. That aspect of fandom has always mystifed me, and I can only imagine how it must feel to the people who tell these stories. And as for Marvel disrespecting their characters by taking them in new directions, I'm sorry but that's bullshit. It's more disrespectful to never change anything about a classic character and hope that fans stay interested with the same old motivations. I for one am glad Marvel has the balls to take characters like Reed Richards and Tony Stark and portray them in a light that will piss off the more stubborn fans. Of course they'll go back to normal eventually (this is the comics industry, after all), but why the hell shouldn't Marvel be allowed to give their more open-minded fans something to enjoy in the meantime?
2 1/2 minute scene from Superman Returns by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:17:22 PM
Gotta have iTunes though http://tinyurl.com/e7krd I dug it. Can't wait for Tuesday @ 10.
civil war: spider-man retarded by blackthought	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:20:28 PM
get it now...with more ads...and no care for them hardcore "fan" fans who are keeping this comic biz afloat...welcome to marvel.
Heathen, I'm sure Axel only means.. by Thalya	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:23:49 PM
That because Marvel isn't DC, they aren't the guys with original ideas, hence all the copying they do, only in this case DC swerved at the last minute and left Marvel charging ahead into a brick wall.
Do they really think..... by Psynapse	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:29:59 PM
This stunt is going to increase the number of long term customers in some fashion?? Fuckin' motards....
Bug, I've got to ask concerning your Origins review... by Childe Roland	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:55:23 PM
...when did you start reading Wolverine as a character? Because, although I haven't picked up a comic in a few years, the Wolverine you describe in this prequel series sounds exactly like the kind of guy he was sold as when introduced in Giant Sized X-Men #1. He was essentially a government sanctioned killer and borderline psychotic. And that was based on the stuff he could remember at that time. If he's uncovering new old memories of stuff that was so horrible that either he or someone else blocked it from his mind, I think the despicable acts you described would be very much in character. If anything, it sounds like they're bringing him back to his roots as opposed to a lot of the inconsistencies you pointed out in the characters being used in Civil War.
Please Help Me Here. by BilboRing	Jun 22nd, 2006 03:05:54 PM
I just bought Civil War 1 & 2 AND the last 3 Amazing Spider-Man issues. I last read a comic during the SCARLET SPIDER turd. That is when I stopped reading. But my interest is back on the web head and I was wondering..... When was Aunt May resurected? I have the issue when she croaks! Also, what happened to Peter that he owes Tony Stark much respect for being there for Peter and MJ? A little light on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
As follows... by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 22nd, 2006 03:08:34 PM
The May that died was an actress that impersonated her for a couple of years while the real May was kidnapped. Over the past couple of years for Parker, his house was destroyed and he had nowhere to go. Tony Stark put him and his family up in Avengers tower and gave him another job as a science assistant and has been all around very helpful to him.
NOTHING is "out of character" anymore... by mbeemer	Jun 22nd, 2006 03:17:18 PM
All they have to do is say, "When the Scarlet Witch 'put everything back the way it was' at the end of 'House of M', she didn't do it right." That answers EVERYTHING. (Of course, it's a cop-out, but it answers EVERYTHING...)
Mr Anderson by Shigeru	Jun 22nd, 2006 03:37:07 PM
While I agree that there are definitely psychotic fans out there that overreact and whine and bitch and complain and are never happy, I think it's a small minority. My time at this board and other comics boards has shown that 95% of us are fairly level headed smart readers. I dislike the Spider-Man decision. I also LOVE no less than 4 books Marvel is publishing. Yes it is possible. I just get a very negative vibe from JoeyQ (and now Axel) about comic fans and specifically ones that post on the internet. They say repeatedly that the internet comic community is only a couple hundred very loud whiners and is inconsequential when countered with what REALLY matters: SALES. (Look up the quotes, its true) I don't know, but to me that sounds like an asshole point of view.
Engineer_at_peac by BilboRing	Jun 22nd, 2006 03:59:18 PM
Thanks for the update. Shit. Can't they keep anyone dead?? Is Vulture and Kraven at least still dead?? It takes away from some very good issues when they bring back the dead. Shit. I remember reading where they brought back Gwen Stacy, Peter's parents, Norman Osborn, etc. Please tell me they were all clones or some crap like that? That clone saga just killed it for me. Pure shit in every sense of the word. That was the shit of all shit. Hey, Dark Horse's Conan looks pretty cool. How is that? Any information? I have some very old Savage Sword of Conan magazine/comics. Those were my favorites. The women in them gave be a chubby when I was little.
conan...very very good... by blackthought	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:04:26 PM
busiek is a very able writer to say the least...the last issue with eric powell on the art kicked major ass...since i don't have an ass it kicked me somewhere else...it hurt.
Vulture's alive by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:16:49 PM
I never remember him dieing, actually.
What's the deal with Bart? by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:18:20 PM
So, is the entire speedforce inside of him now, and if he taps it it has a danger of killing him? That's what it seemed like to me, though I couldn't really tell. I mean, it looked like he tried to use speed force but didn't even make it a foot before it backlashed, but the layout on that scene was confusing.
"We're not DC Comics!" by Psynapse	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:25:44 PM
And Thank God for that....
Company crossovers just step on individual books plot f by Jinxo	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:29:20 PM
First off, I don't think you can hang the Spider-Man unmasking thing on JMS. I'm sure that was a decision from on high and that he was basically told to make it work. Given that, I think he did an okay job. Not saying I think Spidey would have really unmasked but I think JMS did make it as logical as he could. Peter is no longer alone trying to make all the life or death decisions for everyone. He has family who know the truth and so actually can have a say on accepting the risk or not. And the alternative is abandoning that family and going on the run. But him reaching that decision? Rushed. The setup for this whole event? Rushed. And I think these events are stepping on the normal flow the vaious books would take. JMS did setup a lot of stuff that now seems set aside for the big event. Same as when Spidey joined The Avengers. Buh bye "Peter is a teacher" plot. Backing up, I think rushing things out without enough setup is the biggest flaw in Marvel I'd even say that about the whole Gwen Stacey/Norman Osborne crap. I think that could have potentially been selalble to fans except for how it was done. You want me to believe Gwen was seduced by Norman and had his kid? I need to see it spelled out carefully and logically. But JMS didn't do it that way. He built it up as a mystery with the big reveal being fans being punched in the face without warning with the fact that Gwen slept with Norman Osborn. Then he tried to back up and explain things. Only once you're punched in the face, angry and annoyed you don't want to hear any explanation. And on top of that even then he didn't fully explain and sell how it happened. He needed to do that and he needed to do it without first alienating the fans.
Please make with the spoiler warnings! by Thalya	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:33:55 PM
Some of us won't be getting comics til tomorrow or even later! (at least where DC is concerned. Marvel? Who gives a flying..)
Shigeru by Mr. Anderson	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:42:59 PM
I don't blame Joe Quesada or Axel Alonso at all for being a bit frustrated with some of their "fans". Their job is come up with ideas that will make for interesting stories AND sell comics at the same time. And the fact that all the CIVIL WAR books are selling out tells me that they're doing their jobs extremely well. I think Marvel comics are more interesting now than they've been in years, and that's mostly due to the changing motivations of the major characters. I don't care that the concept of superhero registration was used before in WATCHMEN and THE INCREDIBLES. It makes for interesting stories, and to me that's way more important than making sure Spider-Man keeps acting the way he has been for 40 years.
So when are things fair game? by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:51:35 PM
Just curious. Now for more Flash spoilers. SPOILERSPOILER SPOILERSPOILER SPOILERSPOILER SPOILERSPOILER SPOILERSPOILER SPOILERSPOILER Griffen. It's downplayed and not really emphasized in the art, but he is bathed in chemicals and struck by lightning in the last few panels. Kind of an asshole, irresponsible, disrespectful guy, always living too fast. Do we have our new reverse Flash? END SPOILEREND SPOILEREND SPOILEREND SPOILER END SPOILEREND SPOILEREND SPOILEREND SPOILEREND SPOILEREND SPOILER
even if it is thrusday by Darth Kal-El	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:02:37 PM
some of us dont get to the lcs til the weeekend so imo for those that hit the store on wednesday(lucky!) spoiler warnings should always be in place but anything is fair game at anytime. just a commmon courtesy to others not too much to ask
Buzz Thanks You All! by Buzz Maverik	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:03:15 PM
Thanks for the support, Rev, Heathen and many others. Arckwicker, didja have to be so impressed with your post that you e-mailed me? I would have read it here. To the other guy who e-mailed me and said that if he "wanted vituperative, knee-jerk reactions based on preconceived notions of these characters, I can just talk to the people at my own LCS": why not? Their opinion is just as valid as anything yer gonna read, bunkie, as is your own. What you want is for me to tell you what you've read and repeat your own opinon back to you. Guys, I don't need to read one comic to give an opinion on another. I've read about a billion six comics, so the last few issues aren't going to make a shit of difference. Of course JMS made MJ and Aunt May support Peter's decision. He was paid to do that and they are fictional characters. He could make 'em have sex with each other if he wanted and Marvel would allow it. Let's pretend you have a girlfriend, as you often do. Forget yer perversions for a sec. Let's say you love this woman, maybe...I dunno...because she's the only one who'll have anything to do with you for free. Turns out she has a secret identity and if anyone knows about it, she'll be killed, exploited, her life will be a living hell. Also pretend we don't live on AMERICAN IDOL where everyone wants to be famous. Pretend that this pretend girl of yours is someone who just wants to live her life but has to do the other thing for personal reasons. Why would you want her to do the stupid thing when she could just slip away? I'm not up on Spider-Man, but he's been accused of a lot of illegal activity throughout the years. He could be facing jail time, as well. It was a bad idea. A stunt in place of good storytelling and characterization. Remember, these are not Millar or Quesada or JMS's original characters. This is writing for hire. It'd be interesting if Charlie Brown shot up BLAH-BLAH-BLAH Elementary, got splattered with blood and wiped himself of with Linus' blanket, but it'd only work as a spoof...El, I reviewed CIVIL WAR # 2 because I was gonna be the @$$ on G4 but I had another committment, so Sleazy was cool enough to do it and did a much better job than I could have. It was originally me and Bug debating Quesada and Millar. I had a secret plan to both win the debate and become Quesada and Millar's best friend and go to work for Marvel. I don't think Alonso has friends, so that wouldn't have worked with him...Read ASM. Shit, bay-bee, I was reading JUNGIAN SYMBOLISM and THE GOLDEN BOUGH.
The one single reason Peter would never reveal himself: by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:16:10 PM
He just put every single person within a mile of him at any given moment in danger. Look, I don't give a fuck if MJ and Aunt May said it was okay--PETER WOULD NEVER DO THIS. That whole "with great power" thing he's always spouting? THAT'S WHY THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN. Heavy is the head that wears Spider-Man's mask, dude. Peter Parker's current day job? SCHOOL TEACHER. So now they're already telling us he has to go everywhere with armed guards. Really? Cuz that's REALLY GODDAMNED STUPID. What kinda fucktard reveals his identity and then hangs out at a school? Come to think of it, now that everybody's on his ass, can Peter walk to the corner store to but some milk? Nope. Can Aunt May tend to a garden? Nope. Can MJ ever take another modeling gig? Nope. None of them can leave that fucking New Avengers Condos piece of shit they're stupidly living in without a target painted on their foreheads. So all they can do now is stay in the tower--which is an even bigger target. I'm suddenly supposed to believe that a guy who is still tortured by the decision that got Uncle Ben killed would then make a decision that puts his wife, aunt, and anybody dumb enough to, y'know, walk down the street in Manhattan at risk? How the FUCK does that equal somebody being "mature" and "taking responsibility"? The mature, responsible thing to do would be to NEVER, EVER, EVER publically release his true identity. EVER. When JQ and Alonso talk about how Marvel comics are more realistic, it makes me want to shit. You want realistic? Here's realistic: Peter walks out the door of that fucking tower so he can go teach children. Peter takes three steps. Peter fucking DIES, big and hard and messy, because that's what would really happen if we wanted to be "realistic". Because the minute he passes that plain white van full of explosives, a bad guy three blocks away with a sniper scope hits the button to trigger the explosives and that's that. So cut the bullshit about "realistic" Spider-Man comics. Realism in superhero comics comes from ONE PLACE, and ONLY ONE: writing characters that feel like real people and remain true to themselves. PERIOD. Not from overblow event comics where you make the characters say and do whatever stupid, poorly considered and executed idea you toss out at your incestuous little closed-door retreats. Try not having a bunch of yes-men there next time and get somebody with the balls to tell you when an idea's crap and maybe it'll work out better.
Dear Tony Stark: by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:20:11 PM
It's called Alcoholics ANONYMOUS, you fuckin' asshole. Thanks for blowing the cover of anybody who ever happens to be at a meeting you attend, not to mention putting a bunch of recovering addicts' lives in the line of fire if you're attacked by The Mandarin or Kang or whateverthefuck. Jagoff. Yours truly, Anybody Who Knows What The Dictionary Definition of Anonymous Is.
Well said Sleazy well said..... by Psynapse	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:31:46 PM
The EIC before JoeyQ was Bill Jemas who was also an arrogant blowhard who openly scorned and mocked the 'long time' fans and look where it got him. (Jemas is also the assmunch who INSISTED that Norman be the mastermind behind the Clone shit. He's the Sooper Geenyus who coined the title 'Maximum Clonage' too.)
That was awesome Sleazy... by superhero	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:34:29 PM
Just awesome... :O)
Heh--thanks guys. by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:48:59 PM
Preciate it.
well said... by blackthought	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:02:58 PM
should make that a self-help pamphlet for them marvel boys. i don't care how risky you believe peter to be sometimes but the fact is the peter is fuggin' retarded...this is retarded...spider-man retarded is just well...retarded! if i want to read retarded comics i would read house of m. when will wanda retcon this?
Peter's NOT retarded...... by Psynapse	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:09:57 PM
Now JoeyQ? One has to wonder....
I think by Darth Kal-El	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:14:52 PM
its time for Peter RASPUTIN to reveal himself. "Is big da?"
"Nyet! Is my Kitty-kat!!!" by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:17:35 PM

Engineer_at_peac, chill my man! by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:21:53 PM
No need for overkill, it's just that not all of us can get to our shops 'the day of' buddy. Sucks though, I was trying keep that one for myself to discover. "Oh yeah, well the SPOILER store called and there all out of you!" Ha, ha!
I used to work in a comics shop- by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:28:32 PM
and believe it or not, Joe Quesada and Axel Alonso are right. Even the nerdiest of dorks rarely talked of posting online about comics. And as much as people bitch and complain, events trigger sales. Sales equal good. These characters all go back to the same way they were before, so I don't really understand why people get so upset. If it were up to me, there wouldn't even be a Spider-Man to act "out of character" because he's been around for forty fuckin' years already. Jesus, people aren't still watching I Love Lucy and Gilligan's Island. It's a fucking miracle they can think of anything new for him to do anyways.
Thalya? Who gives a flying... by MrBoinfoint	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:33:19 PM
But cerealously, Sleazy, that would never happen becuase the moment Peter exits the door his spider sense would go off. All your other points are valid, however.
re: Mr. Anderson and Marvel by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:36:24 PM
It's not exactly as cut and dry as you put it. Joe Q and Axel Alonso are supposed to come up with new ideas and engaging stories. They're also supposed to provide a good product and be respectful of their fans. You know, the people that keep them in business. Let me ask you this, when you go out to eat and you unfortunately have bad service and you complain, does the manager of the restaurant tell you that you should shut up and be thankful you get anything because your opinion doesn't matter? Hell no. Why? It's bad service and you would probably never eat there again. But, if the manager had said that they were sorry and offered to listen to what they could do better and made you feel that your suggestion (as insignificant as it may or may not be) was worth their concern, then you'd probably go out of your way to eat there in the future. It's good business sense. It's good public relations. Marvel has bluntly said, "fuck you, you basement dwelling nerd who has done nothing but buy these ridiculous funny books, you don't count, you never will, but people who don't give a shit about our characters or books - they matter
but seriously by Darth Kal-El	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:36:51 PM
very well put sleazy. i still havent seen the clip but im looking forward to it when i get home.
SleazyG by Ribbons	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:47:03 PM
That was awesome.
Bayou, just because a characters been around by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:48:45 PM
for over 40 years, doesn't mean that they have had to be everything. "He's white. He's black. He's not a he, he's a she and a lesbian!" It's called being creative and using what you've got to make something special. What's the point if all of this is for shock factor? The Walking Dead is a perfect example. When people get screwed up, when things happen, you go, "oh shit, that did not just happen." because you no it's not going to have been a dream. I'm not saying Marvel has to be as gritty as Walking Deaad, but c'mon, they've got to try a little harder. And it's not that they couldn't have done what they've done with Spider-Man, but it's been year after year of totem poles, Gwen Stacy revelations, The Other and now this. Look no further than Ed Brubakers, Captain America run for way's to have 'shocking events' occur, but handle it respectfully. Also, sales don't always mean good. A long lasting projection does. Or do i need to remind you of hologram and foil variant covers that helped nearly kill comics in gerneral?
Crack Sells Well, Too. by Buzz Maverik	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:59:09 PM
Comics are a casual hobby to a way of life at best. They are an addiction at worst. This stuff is selling because it is hyped, the Marvel Universe we love is altered, and in some cases there's a curiousity factor. Also, as I said in my review but will clarify here: CIVIL WAR is very well done, but the characters and the universe as concepts are bigger than this story, bigger than Millar, Quesada, Alonso Axel, whomever. I don't really believe Grant Morrison's Living Comic Universe BS (and I'm sure that Mr. Morrison doesn't either) but the idea applies here. Okay, they're writing off the longtime fan who shells out a ton of money? So greed is not the factor. It's ego. The short time fan is younger, addicted to comics, and will one day soon read, see, learn and experience enough to discern that not all comics are good, and that some can even be wonderfully done, but amount to no more than exercises. The short timers stroke the "creator" ego (although Stan, Jack and Steve are the guys who primarily created this stuff. These other guys just got paid to use what's already been created). The short timers fill up the talent's messageboards, who think the talent is their friend, who repeat Marvel's sound bites as if it were their own thoughts. The long time fans will challenge these guys, force them to do better. This is easy storytelling, guys. Most of us could go, "What's the most unexpected and shocking thing we could do?" Hard storytelling is being fresh and original with aging icons. You'll hear the brilliant term "the illusion of change". The people that can pull this off are the true talents. Spider-Man is still around because the character is both an icon and an archetype. He's the beautiful loser with secret greatness, burdened by his failure of a Father figure, determined to save a Mother figure. Hell, he's Oedipus because he sort of killed the father figure with his own arrogance (although I don't think even Uncle Ben wanted to pooch Aunt May). This is big, big stuff. This is the Collective Unconscious. This is in the mind that we all share. To get all Alan Moore, this is all of us. But on a more human level, of course it will all be changed back. However, this change will create an even more twisted, unrealistic continuity, dooming all of this to be dumb kid stuff after all, so I guess these clowns are the CREATORS they keep being called. You want realism, you want a real character with incredible potential to change: how about a shy, smart kid who gets a super-power, acts like a jerk and causes a family tragedy. Drenched in guilt, he uses his powers to help people but can't help himself or the people he cares about. He struggles economically, romantically, even the one thing he excelled at, school, is now hard for him. Maybe he grows up, marries, has a child. How do you have a relationship when your wife knows that one day you won't come back because some guy in an animal suit or dressed like lightning finally got the drop on you? Hell, how do you go out an stop a maniac from leveling the city when you can't get child care? How many of you live in a superhero fortress? Let's not count those of you who just think you do. Is Spider-Man a guy that normal people, or people who aspire to be normal (there's hope for most of you yet) can still relate to?
I agree on some points, Heathen- by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:59:57 PM
It sounds like you and I have some traits in common, however, I, too, am tired of the seeming never-ending whining (not pointing at anyone here, just online in general) of fans without seeing what the end result will be. I'm twenty-four, and a comic fan for roughly fourteen years. I worked in a comic shop for six. Now I understand there's some readers here probably old enough to be my pops on here, but I like to think my opinion is as valid as anyone. I like anything different, something to shake it up. I think people think too hard on these things, particularly old, established characters. I think it's mighty brave of Marvel to, frankly, do anything with a character who, under DC, would be seen as nothing but a stock bonus in the Time-Warner/AOL/Heaven global company. I haven't read issue three of Civil War yet, let alone issue seven, or issue 547 one year down the road of ASM, so let's let the writers do their jobs, I say. If you don't like it, hey, don't buy it. They'll catch on pretty quick. Thanks for your intelligent response, Heathen. It's nice to meet people on here with more common sense than the great unwashed that sometimes overfill this site like rats in a landfill.
the great unwashed from the rest of aicn by Darth Kal-El	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:06:40 PM
have no place in this baord. its great that we can all discuss comics or whatever without acting like people in the other boards here. and buzz those are all damn good points as well. i wish it had been u on the g4 thing man. i really want to put a face with the name
Petey married a supermodel by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:08:22 PM
That's not entirely realistic. Aunt May is still kicking around after being around since the '20s (Uncle Ben was a WWII vet, right?). There are always going to be controversial changes in comics. Fifteen years ago, had the internet existed, I think fans would be outraged that the "definitive" Flash was killed off in a meaningless (to be sure) crossover and replaced with his pussyhound nephew. And if you go back even farther, you'll find the ancient internet in an uproar after a veteran of the last great war is replaced by some stuffshirt knowitall police scientist in a "crappy" costume (where's his helmet? with the wings! he's supposed to be based on Mercury, you know! lousy Infantino). It just seems there's so much negativity, I don't blame the creators for losing their cool. I don't work in an enviroment where my every intention (past, present, and future) are second-guessed by a many and varied people from intelligent people with doctorates to mouth-breathing losers who will die alone. Let's all loosen our sphincters and enjoy the ride. If the ride ain't fun, get off and onto something else... like Ultimate Spider-Man!
God by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:09:59 PM
I wish this thing had a proofreader. Have they redesigned this site yet? Much props to regular posters than can sound halfway intelligent... you've got a halfway leg up on me, apparently!
Likewise, Bayou. by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:15:08 PM
Thanks for yours too! Well, I'm off for the night. Be back tomorrow. Later Cogs, @$$holes and fellow talkbackers.
later heath by Darth Kal-El	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:15:36 PM
have a good one!
Darth Kal-el, et al by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:18:48 PM
Your face attached to a name comment intrigued me... anybody on here on myspace or facebook or any such sites? And did anybody read the latest 100 Bullets and could tell me what happened? I missed it.
Actually, they're wrong, BayouWilly. by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:19:29 PM
Lots of people post online but don't talk about it. Shit, nobody at my LCS or Bug's even knows we write this danged thing. Why? Cuz we don't know how it will be received, and we'd like to keep parts of our personal lives private. I'd also like to point to the massively declining sales over the last 15 years in comics. I have yet to see anybody successfully pull in new readers, and alienating the old ones isn't gonna help. If they want new readers, there's a simple, smart way to do it: fun, exciting comics like SPIDER-MAN, BATMAN and FANTASTIC FOUR. Then you take those comics, right, and you include a version of the character who is COMPLETELY RECOGNIZABLE to moviegoers, COMPLETELY CHILD FRIENDLY, and EASILY ACCESSIBLE. DC dropped that ball like it was made outta burning shit by having ALL-STAR BATSHIT AND ROBBIN' THE READERS come out at the same time as BATMAN RETURNS, and Marvel is doing the same with all the cockamamied shit they've put Spider-Man through over the last two years. It's hard enough for comics to compete with video games and cable TV for a kid's attention. What happens when the kid's parents won't let him read the book due to inappropriate content or when he picks up SPIDER-MAN only to find a bunch of steaming mystical horseshit thanks to JMS and Morlun? Do you think a kid is gonna stick around for long? No? And if not, where the FUCK does this new fucking crop of readers come from? If you have the most popular, reckognizable pop culture icons of the last half decade starring in blockbuster, record-setting movies and CAN'T SELL THE FUCKING COMICS, you're FUCKING BLOWING IT. It's that simple. Do you see a Spider-Man video game with spider god avatars, topless Spider-Man and metal suits? FUCK NO. Because that's not what Spider-Man is, and even a goddamned 12 year old knows that. There are a certain small handful of characters which are so perfectly created, so well balanced, so universally loved that you'd have to be an absolute shithead to fuck them up. Yet we end up with Pink and Blue Electric Superman, and we end up with Spider-Clone/Gwen's a whore/Spider-totem with a female Other/Iron Spider/Civil War. WHAT THE FUCK?
Parker's reveal is a good thing by Immortal_Fish	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:22:33 PM
It is a logical progression of the 616 character. He is married now. No longer a teen. Perhaps he is willing to embrace the challenges others several years his senior are unwilling to face. This is what separates this young man from the many villians he faces that are several years older. This is a Goocd Thing. If you don;t like this, you still have Ultimate SM 100 until Wanda weaves her reboot.
I dunno, Mr. Boinfoint. by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:23:10 PM
I mean, spidey sense doesn't have limitless range. He may be able to sense something falling towards him, or people sneaking up on him, granted. But do you really think he can sense a guy three blocks away pushing a button? Cuz that means his senses are more finely attuned than Matt Murdock's, which I find unlikely since it's never been mentioned before. Smart money says a quick, strategic strike would take him out. But this whole conversation just illustrates my point: there comes a time where "real world" and "superheroes" can no longer keep company, for very, very obvious reasons. That's why I'm saying the only "realism" comes from the portrayal of the actions, behaviors and emotions of the characters--which are all woefully off-base in the Spider-books right now.
And don't even get me started... by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:24:17 PM
...on the idiocy of launching a title called FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD SPIDER-MAN and then not making it all ages to hook the young'uns. Jackasses.
Wow., SleazyG musta caught the clap by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:34:17 PM
That stuff gets around. Kids, wrap that shit up. But seriously, I really doubt there is a significant amount of fans online. I don't know if there's a way or site to verify this or not. I only knew of one other dude that posted online, and he posted on John Byrne's forums, God knows why. He was a black guy, and when Byrne said something about calling Batman "Bats" and Superman "Supes" is akin to calling a black man a n-word, I would've tracked him down just to slap the Canadian shit out of him. But that's just me. I agree that Marvel and DC need all-ages titles to gain writers, completely. I think USM is a fine all-ages title. I don't think DC has an equivalent, which is surprising as they are seen as, right or wrong, the fan-friendly company. It is ironically for the older readers who have read Spider-Man fight Venom and Green Goblin for two decades that I think they are doing this. Yeah, the totems and Gwen Stacy were kind of fucked up... and you know what I did? I ignored it, and read when I wanted to. And I'm much more stress-free and longer lasting in the sack because of it.
Gain readers, not writers by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:35:35 PM
Jebus tap-dancing Christopher Reeves, I would kill for a spellcheck or something...honestly.
DC's kid-friendly stuff: by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:39:42 PM
They've got a long string of titles, actually. Granted, though? Not so much the mainstream 'verse. But at least ALL-STAR SUPERMAN is totally classic, totally fun, totally all-ages. Any kid could walk in, pick that up, and be fine. That's why I'm saying they completely blew it with ASBAR.
Didn't think of ASS by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:49:03 PM
Ironic that the initials of that are totally vulgar. But their kid-friendly toon stuff? Ugh. About as crappy as the Marvel Adventures line. Who says kids like cruddy anime art and bad out-of-proportion regular art, in which it makes Todd Nauck look like Alex Ross? Come on, guys... for once, think of the children!
so civil war... by blackthought	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:54:09 PM
ends with aunt may getting raped right? these are just things i hear...it wouldn't shock me if they wrote it in though. at least fables kicked ass this week, there's always them good reliable books out there.
re: The Heathen and Marvel's restaurant. by Mr. Anderson	Jun 22nd, 2006 08:00:18 PM
If Marvel apologized and changed their stories every time a fan complained, they'd never finish a single storyline. The very nature of this sort of industry makes it impossible to please everyone, or to apologize to the customers who don't like the product. George Lucas doesn't have to apologize to the fans who don't like his recent movies, so why should Joe Quesada apologize to fans who don't like this current storyline? That might seem like a nice idea if he were managing a restaurant where customers should expect to have their requests met, but that's not how this kind of industry works. You're never going to please everyone, so the best you can hope for is that most people will still like what you're doing. And looking at Marvel's recent sales numbers, it seems pretty obvious that the extremely vocal internet fans are in the minority.
So when does Peter become incontinent? by superhero	Jun 22nd, 2006 08:04:59 PM
Because, see, at some point that's a logical progesion of age for some people, right? That logical progression crap is so ridiculous! Parker stopped aging in what, 1978, for all intents and purposes! Stop acting like his unmasking himself has ANYTHING to do with "logical progression of character" when it's completely OUT of character to begin with! I'm not saying characters shouldn't develop but if you're telling me that Peter unmasks himself because he's no longer a teenager and that's your big reasoning...well, I'm sorry, but that's just lame. So in 30 years will the 616 Spider-Man be having a mid-life crisis and driving a Spider-Porche? C'mon! Oh, and I've gone back and read those Spider-Man issues (I borrowed 'em) where Tony and Peter become all chummy and ,yes, that is some LOUSY writing. Talk about forced. Peter just decides to trust Tony stark because he gave him a job? By that reasoning then he would've given up being Spider-Man when J. Jonah Jameson started trashing Spidey in the press! Look, I'm not saying that characters shouldn't change and develop but the CORE of what makes a character great should remain consistent no matter what! End of story! Oh, and anyone at Marvel who uses Stan the Man to justify anyone these days is on crack! I seem to remember Stan being SO into a couple of FF and Captain America movies that were released in the '90's...that is, until everyone else saw them. Stan is a shill for Marvel...always was and always will be. If you think his actual opinion is objective on anything concerning Marvel then I want some of what you're smokin'...
Lucas CREATED Star Wars... by superhero	Jun 22nd, 2006 08:09:01 PM
Quesada did NOT create the Marvel Universe. Big difference there! Marvel doesn't have to apologise but don't speak to concerned fans like their scumbags. We're the ones who buy their books through mostly thick and thin. So if they want to lose MORE readers then they'll talk down to us. If they want us to give respect to then they should a) earn it and b) give some in return. The comic business is not like water or electricity. I don't NEED Marvel comics and I can walk away from them. A lot of pople already have and have never returned. They should have learned something from that but it looks like they didn't...
Quesada didn't create Marvel characters- by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 08:42:03 PM
but neither did all but two of the creators that have worked on them. If the creators were the only ones that worked on them... they would suck. Did anyone read "Just Imagine" or Kirby's DC stuff? Brrrr. Like it or not, Joe Q is in charge.
Say Marvel does decide to listen to fans more... by Mr. Anderson	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:17:26 PM
what happens then? Are they going to listen to the fans who don't like Spidey unmasking and say "Well, even though the issue's already out, we're gonna fix that. The REAL CIVIL WAR #2 will be out next month. Sorry about that." Seriously, they're telling their story, like it or not. Lots of people do like it and are curious to see where this is headed, so why should Marvel only listen to the complainers?
I never said Marvel should only listen to complainers. by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 10:48:23 PM
I said they should stop fucking up Spider-Man and some of their other characters on such a massive, all-encompassing, company-wide scale.
What we have here is a failure to communicate by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:17:59 PM
I love Paul Newman. And I have to disagree that a lucrative company such as Marvel has a long-term goal of fucking up Spider-Man.
Are we still talking about the same thing here? by Ribbons	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:24:15 PM
I mean, look: I agree that the character of Spider-Man is strong enough to survive this without becoming "fucked up" for future generations. At the same time, his unmasking was stupid and out-of-character, and I don't see what's wrong with pointing that out -- even if Joey Q has no interest in listening. As for the people who think Spider-Man revealing his identity is "a natural progression," well, I don't even know what that's supposed to mean, to be honest.
Great rant, Sleazy by sideshowbob	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:30:27 PM
I can't say I agree with all of it (Ultimate FF, for example, is a top-notch all-ages book), but I've been feeling the same way. I'm constantly amazed at how people will go to such lengths to blame the sagging sales on comics and the lack of new readers on EVERYTHING but the comics themselves. And the funny thing is, the sheer number of quality talent in the medium these days is more impressive than ever--they're just not putting out books that people want to read.
Comics are fluid, as is life- by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:30:52 PM
You go with the flow. Superman has killed. Green Lantern has gone batshit. Characters, as well as people, do things and make decisions that are surprising, and sometimes saddening. You take the good with the bad, read what you want. There are so many Spider-Man stories, that, even if you were to boycott him and write Spidey off as fucked up forever... you could still read old stories until the day you die. Which hopefully will be a long, long, time from now for us all.
The Spidey reveal by sideshowbob	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:37:11 PM
I'm fine with it. I think there are lots of new stories that can be told, and there are scores of "Essential" books for people who like the secret identity better. I just wonder if, after the initial batch of stories comes out, they'll wish they didn't do it. *** And Civil War is actually a little better than I thought it would be. Still not wowed by the whole "depressing" thing, nor the characters acting out of character, or that it's spread too thin, or the fact that I thought I was getting a Secret War for the 00s and instead it's more talking heads. But it's definitely well constructed. In other words, what Buzz said.
How Marvel fucked up the Ultimates line: by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:42:57 PM
The Ultimate Universe was supposed to be the spot where writers could take familiar characters and go in crazy new directions. So why do people keep telling me that's where to go for the "old-fashioned" Spider-Man? In fact, I'll tell ya this right now: if Morlun and the mystical shit had happened in the Ultimate you, I woulda supported it wholeheartedly as an attempt to try something different, but that's not wha the 616 U. is for. Ditto for UFF: why is it a solid all-ages title, while the mainstream FF book everybody around the world has heard of is confusing, dark, and full of profanity? It's just goddamned stupid, and directly contrary to how things were supposed to work.
what is the ultimates universe? by blackthought	Jun 23rd, 2006 12:10:36 AM

Of course the people that created the characters... by superhero	Jun 23rd, 2006 01:05:24 AM
aren't still working on them! The point is that anyone who works on them should have reverence and RESPECT for the creation that they're working on. That doesn't mean that things shouldn't change but there's change and there's CHANGE. Drastic, over the top change in the status quo of what makes a character work is not necessary. It's what makes the character work and has kept a lot of these guys around for 30, 40, even 50 years. Superman will always be Clark Kent (I hope). It's essential to his mythology. By removing Spider-Man's dual identity you've destroyed part of the mythos that makes him successful and identifiable. If you kill Gwen Stacy you are adding tragedy to the central characters life, therefore adding dimension to his story. If you reveal Peter Parker's identity to the world you are TAKING AWAY one of the great things that makes him work. There's a difference. And, oh yeah, I have ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN to read but that's not the Spidey I grew up with. The one I invested all that time and money on during my formative teenage years. ULTIMATE SPIDEY is good but it's not actually SPIDER-MAN. But then again, the McFarlane years turned me off to Spidey as a regular reader all those years ago so maybe I don't matter. Straczynski had me back on for a while but, ooopsss, then he had to go and screw the pooch again...
Should you be curious.... by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 01:50:20 AM
*http://tinyurl.com/qf8lb* Freshly pimped for your viewing pleasure! (and there is a face shot in the oics section)
and now for something completely different by Arkhangelsk	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:10:52 AM
some amazingly great comics came out this week. like Captain America, which is holding the course for that series. like AXM in which mr Joss Whedon proves once again that he's one of the greatest writers. like X Isle which totally caught me by surprise and has me jonesing for the second issue. like Eternals which started out great and might even be better than 1602. oh, and i'm thinking about maybe picking up The Walking Dead. anybody knows if its any good? talk to me people (but leave Spidey out of it, please)
Psy, for the luvva... by vroom socko	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:34:51 AM
Am I the only person left who has nothing to do with MySpace? Nothing against it, but I'm just going to stick to LiveJournal, thankyouverymuch. *** Oh, and since it seems you can't comment this week without saying something about Spidey: ahem Spider-Man going public with his identity is the equivelant of Travis McGee selling the Busted Flush, moving into a condo development, and getting an actual day job. Sure, it takes the character in a new direction, but it also pretty much destroys what makes that character such a classic. Alledgedly a major character dies in Civil War. After this, I honestly hope it's Spidey.
(no spoilers) I only typed SPOILER a lot because by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:27:32 AM
I figure since there are no line breaks or anything, it would be almost impossible to not accidentally keep reading unless I but a whole bunch of them. In retrospect, it would make a lot more sense to put the spoiler warning them in the "Subject" line.
Vivil War really is more of an Ultimate U. idea. by rev_skarekroe	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:41:00 AM
But nobody asked me, did they?
Yeah but in the Ultimate Universe by MrBoinfoint	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:51:28 AM
Everybody already knows everybody's secret identity, and everybody already works for SHIELD. I'd like to see an Ultimate Daredevil who keeps his identity and actually does daring devil stuff, tho. That'd be a nice change.
Quesada said he had 3 genies to rebottle by MrBoinfoint	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:57:12 AM
One was the number of mutants, and the idea of mutants-as-minorites. Two is obviously Mary Jane, because he can't fucking sop talking about it and he's destroying the foundation of Spider-Man presumably just to kill her off. Both of these are bad, reactionary, damaging ideas. Instead of changing the face of reality he should have just hired people that could write good stories out of what they had to work with. He's like Bill Mumy banishing people to the cornfield. "I don't like this, so it doesn't exist anymore." When's someone at Marvel going to Logan Up and do what needs to be done to him like they tried with Wanda? What really scares me is what he might possibly have planned for genie #3. I'm thinking Captain America is going back into the iceberg. Any thoughts?
Nice post, Buzz... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 09:07:40 AM
...but, Cogs, don't we live in a superhero tower?
it's more of a orbiting space mansion of mystery by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 10:16:16 AM
but there was a tower on it once. The Sentry stopped by and I told him he'd have to leave if he brought that damn tower of his that he puts on the top of everything. Damn eye soar. Then he said that he had to get back to 'boss' tower and I was like, "what the hell is 'boss' tower?" And he was like, "you know, Stark tower. Editorial wants me to call Iron Man 'boss' for the next 4 issues so he can be a 'role model' for me because, you know, he's a drunk billionaire who dresses up in a two ton suit of Iron." To which I replied, "Huh. I'd pull a little Carnage is space action on editorial if I was you there Sentry, no what I'm sayin!!! - Hey, how can Iron Ma-- sorry, 'boss' sit in chairs if his suit weighs so much?" And Sentry said, "Oh, now you're just being a smart ass." *** Ark, BUY WALKING DEAD NOW!!! Get this, stuff happens (really fucked up stuff), but it has a real build up and there's nobody who can alter reality. It's really good, especially when read all together.
No problem here with Civil War by BilboRing	Jun 23rd, 2006 10:35:13 AM
I just read issue #2 last night. I can see Peter agreeing with MJ and Aunt May. What they said made sense. Then I thought about Fantastic 4 and other characters where everyone knows who they are. I don't know how much I like it that he unmasked but I didn't feel like it was out of Peter's character. He always goes with his heart over his brain. Great issue. I am glad I am back with Spider-Man. I missed a whole lot since I stopped reading after/during the Clone Saga. That was a fucking turd.
But did you check out my page Vroom? by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 11:13:23 AM
I was up until 4:30 Am finding just the right look and sound I wanted. I'm quite proud of it. One more time: http://tinyurl.com/qf8lb (and there is a face pic in the pics section-Marvel at my unearthly beauty!)
Check out the Spectregans while your at Psy's page by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 11:21:33 AM
I tried to avoid the MySpace, but it's really quite cool for all of the stuff people like Warren Ellis, Brian K. and other comic creators post. Check this post from Warren Ellis out: "It occurs to me that an awful lot of trouble in Gotham City could have been averted a long time ago if Batman had just ripped the Jokers nipples off. I mean, treatment doesnt work, does it? They stick the Joker in the nuthatch, he comes out again and does the same things. A man with the nipples ripped off him does not make the same mistakes twice. Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, and need the nipples ripped off them. I mean, whos going to argue? Batman, Ive heard disturbing reports that you ripped the Jokers nipples off. Choke on my fuck, Commissioner Gordon. okay. I mean, crime in Gotham City doesnt exactly seem to be affected by a man dressed as a bat flapping around the place. But no-one disobeys a man wearing a necklace of human nipples. Im Batman isnt cutting it in the striking-fear-into-their-heart s stakes. But Im Batman and Im here for your nipples is an entirely different proposition. Criminals would see the error of their ways after a man in a black leather pervert suit had their nipples off with the edge of a Batarang, you mark my words. Or a Bat-Denipplizer. Im off to ring DC Comics." Oh, Warren!!!
Oh and about that G4 segment.... by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 11:34:23 AM
Anyone who has read this Talkback with any regularity knows I am a God of Rudeness when I want to be, so naturally I'm ace at spotting it in others. Sleazy was a perfect gentleman but Alonso repeatedly and continually talked over him and tried to drown him out. That was the one thing that stuck out to me, how he just kept cutting Sleazy off to spout his platitudes.
Word, Psy. by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 11:48:53 AM
WORD.
Plus... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 12:13:11 PM
Alonso will die in a fire. So the Turtle declares, so it shall come to pass.
More Warren Ellis goodness by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 12:35:40 PM
"Did you ever want to set someone's head on fire, just to see what it looked like? Did you ever stand in the street and think to yourself, I could make that nun go blind just by giving her a kiss? Did you ever lay out plans for stitching babies and stray cats into a Perfect New Human? Did you ever stand naked surrounded by people who want your gleaming sperm, squirting frankincense, soma and testosterone from every pore? If so, then you're the bastard who stole my drugs Friday night. And I'll find you. Oh, yes."
Ellis could have been my new hero.... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 12:52:33 PM
...if, you know, there wasn't Hugh Heffner and all.
Ooh, don't ruin it for those who haven't read GreatOne2 by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 01:19:39 PM
SPOILERS!!! Wait, I thought you said you agreed? I'm digging this new arc. It's scaring the poop outta me and not because of the zombies. We don't know everything about this Governor guy or how evreyone feels about the situation. He seems to be more of a tyrant than anything else. Abuse of authority like Axel Alonso. I think the doctor that saved Rick isn't happy with the Gov. I hope Tyreese comes with a crew and some mo fo weapons and takes that jack ass out! crosses fingers END SPOILERS!!! **
Masks, Secret Identities Are Very Important In Religion by Buzz Maverik	Jun 23rd, 2006 01:24:23 PM
The shaman hides his face, becomes another being that can commune with the gods, keep the demons at bay. If the tribe saw his face at that time, they'd just see another guy, another family member and it wouldn't work. And if the gods and demons saw the shaman's face, they'd see another mortal and would strike out from whatever protective circles the shaman had made. A big part of the Spider-Man appeal comes from this archetype. Hell, look at the movies. Aside from the fact that he's a little too old, Maguire is perfectly cast. He's an okay looking guy but no better than most of us. We can completely buy him as being shy, smart as hell but afraid to show it, inept with women, virtually unemployable ... but putting on that mask and soaring over the city to confront the Evil.
If You've Seen Prequels, Lucas Owes You An Apology by Buzz Maverik	Jun 23rd, 2006 01:27:40 PM
A big one. He should be really very, very sorry.
That dude was Sleazy G? by BayouWilly	Jun 23rd, 2006 01:56:48 PM
Well I'll be damned...more importantly, who was the broad?
Lots of good points made... by Shigeru	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:02:11 PM
I'll have to say Sleazy and Buzz have summed up the matter pretty succinctly. Bravo to you two. And I really don't get people pointing out the sales factor to prove the story factor. If Marvel hyped Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane as much as Civil War, it would sell 240,000 copies too. And guess what folks...I'd put money on the fact that there will be lots of Civil War #1-7's in quarter bins in 5 years, because just cause there's a million on the shelf doesn't mean a million people bought it.
dare i say goal? by blackthought	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:05:45 PM
goal...it's been said.
I'll will lift the contract on Lucas when.... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:06:06 PM
he CGI's himself a neck! Then I'll be impressed again. Till then, I'm taking up a collection. It is not cheap putting a hit out on a movie mogul. No, it is not!
In other news! by Shigeru	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:06:11 PM
I got a preview copy of next week's Runaways cause I'm cool. Who wants to know some death spoilers??
To go with BuzzMaverik by vagrant's choice	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:11:14 PM
You need a smarmy headline to go with the review. I suggest,
E-MAIL ME SHIG!! WITH A NOWNESS PLEASE!! by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:14:37 PM
I'm such a spoiler whore.....
done by Shigeru	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:19:20 PM
and done.
Psy and Shig... by SleazyG.	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:23:06 PM
...hook a brutha up with the spoilage, but keep it outta the columns! I can't help myself...I gotta know. I like 'em all, so it'll be a bummer no matter what, but there's one in particular that would hit me the hardest.
NOOOOOOOO!!! by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:27:07 PM
Well damn, it was gonna hurt and I was gonna say that no matter who it was...
Fear Agent is unreadable by Rupee88	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:39:51 PM
I just tried to get through the first issue and couldn't make it. It is just really dumb and makes no sense. I understand the spirit behind it, but it just doesn't work. The art is OK, but the story and dialogue are inane.
Sleazy by Shigeru	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:43:38 PM
Consider yourself hooked up brother. We'll see how this plays out. I wish none of them had to die I like them all so much :(
CRISIS AT THE LCS! by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:15:09 PM
My fuggin LCS has just decided that they will no longer be taking pull-lists! Now, if I want to make sure I get everything, I HAVE TO PUT A SEPERATE SPECIAL ORDER IN FOR EVERY BOOK, EVERY ISSUE! WTF, mate?
I must own this.... by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:16:52 PM
http://tinyurl.com/ld5vb (it's a 'bust' get it?)
Find another LCS Great A.... by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:19:40 PM
'Cuz that's ass AND shit poor customer services. Way to kill their business.....
Pull-lists were never an option at my shop by Shigeru	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:25:13 PM
It's way too small to do them. I don't really mind because if he ever sees a book getting low and knows I want a copy he'll hold it. That's why it pays to go to a TINY shop run by one guy who knows you by name.
Yes, Shig, but then..... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:31:05 PM
....comic shop guy will know exactly who it was that set the whole overstock of CW#2 on fire in the middle of the manga section, right between the under-age tentacle porn and the furry animal fudal japan fantasy epics, fouth voulume of twelve, out of one hundred and twenty.
What about online shops? by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:32:27 PM
Any reCOGmendations?
Does anyone else like everything? by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:43:36 PM
This is a problem I have. Maybe because I'm relatively new, have only been collecting comics for a year and a half. but every comic I get, I really like. Even ones that by all means have tons of flaws. For instance, the JLA arc with the vampires that rebooted Doom Patrol. I fully recognize how much that sucked, yet I like it anyway. Same thing with "Just Imagine", I recognize how it was bad, but I am waiting feverishly for another one. I have to be really careful with my pull list, because I actually like everything.
since im mostly a trades guy by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:46:01 PM
you cant go wrong with amazon for trades. as far as regular online comic shops i wouldnt know. im fortunate enough to go to an lcs where im known by name and have stuff pulled for me.as for the discussion so far it has been pretty good with valid points on both sides. i personally lean towards the unmasking was stupid and out of character but then i only read ultimate spidey. im also avoiding the whole civil war thing because hom was mighty lame!
i kinda have that same problem engineer by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:49:13 PM
im not that new to collecting(16 years on and off) but sometimes some of the stuff that gets panned i thought was pretty damn cool. a perfect example of this was x3 where even one of my fellow cogs had a polar opposite reaction to mine. if me and heath werent friends a battle would have raged that might have darkend the heavens
sweet bust psy! by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:50:21 PM
BOOBIES!!!!!
someday by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:58:37 PM
i will post all i need to say in ONE fucking post instead of multi posting like a hungry slut. bayouwilly heres the face to the name...http://tinyurl.com/zdkt y...you will find some cogs in my friends list as well as a sweet band called crost that my brother plays in. check them out too! and vroom myspace is cool! i used to think it was a stupid way for people to hook up online but there is actually cool people on there.i have a few creators on my friends list as well as some tv people and even general zod!
Howzevah..... by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 04:06:27 PM
It IS like crack especially when you start pimping your page....
The problem with MySpace: by SleazyG.	Jun 23rd, 2006 04:39:50 PM
Waaaaay too much drama between people. Like three times as much as LiveJournal, and that's really saying something.
No pull list? by SleazyG.	Jun 23rd, 2006 04:41:17 PM
No comics shop. Not for long, anyway. Find a new one, cuz that one's going under. The reason pull lists is simple: it's an efficient way to manage your orders. Expecting everybody to request everything every damned month guarantees stuff will get missed, which means you'll underorder, which means you'll sell less than you should, which means you're doomed.
JLA/Doom Patrol arc sucked, but gave us one good thing: by SleazyG.	Jun 23rd, 2006 04:43:25 PM
"I am...CRUCIFER!!!" Most unintentionally hilarious panel of the last couple of years. I still snicker when I think about it. Bug and I once had an interesting conversation about it with a very tall tranny on 80's new-wave night at one of our local hangouts. Ahhh, good times.
what do u mean by drama sleazy? by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 04:47:30 PM
i havent had anything major other than some dipshit emailing to ask if he could photograph my girl in his next shoot.other than that no real drama to speak of
im a 'wrong link postin' douche by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 04:50:09 PM
sorry! http://tinyurl.com/rk6vt
MySpace drama by SleazyG.	Jun 23rd, 2006 05:00:18 PM
I know a lot of people where boyfriends/girlfriends get ugly on each other's pages during a breakup. Or like if you dumped a chick and her brother or BFF showed up to kick up a bunch of dust. Or friends and friends of friends getting pulled into personal disputes. Or "how can you have her on your friends list?!?" Or "you know I hate that chick, why is she in your top 8 when I know she wants to sleep with you?" Or publically calling people out as liars, cheats, thieves, assholes, etc. You get the idea. I've seen lots of ugliness, and have a friend wrapped up in a lot of it right now, and knowing that I'd run into some of that clique-ish BS right away, I just don't need the headaches.
now that u mention it by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 05:24:48 PM
i have heard about that kind of drama before. ive also heard the comment that myspace is bad to have if your in a relationship. we had some minor problems like that with my girl having one of her exes cousins or something on her list but she took her off and blocked her and were good now. but yeah i know what u mean. i promise u the creator and decent people side of it is very cool tho
online comics re: GreatA by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 05:40:24 PM
For the comics that aren't on my pull list at my LCS but I still buy online (to save a bunch of $$$) I use www.g-mart.com For advance orders you save 75 cents on every $3 comic. And that helps a lot. Some titles like Kabuki, Runaways, Invincible and Marvel Team-Up are sometimes 50% off because they're under appreciated. You can have them all bagged and boarded too for like 5 cents each I think. Orders of $80 or more are shipped free. I usually save at least $20 when I order from there. Other than that, like darth said, Amazon is the shit. Absolute editions for $40 instead of $75? Yes sir! Hope this helps my fellow Cog. That's my reCOGmendation.
MySpace. No, YourSpace. No, MySpace. by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 05:49:20 PM
Well, now that I'm married it's not a problem relationship wise. My wife had one guy that she knew from way back when that was a psycho but all she did was deny him. That was solved. My brother-in-law is a tard though, and he has all sorts of people he doesn't know on there. He gave his former girlfriend all his passwords to his account and after they broke up she
ive been meaning to add the emperor by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 06:03:25 PM
and walt disneys frozen head. i agree if u just add people u know or people out promoting a product like comic creators or bands then there isnt too much of a problem. i know people that post links on how to get 4000 friends over night and im like 'why the fuck would i want that?!' i just like to keep those close to me and some well chosen others on my list. its funny i added these guys who are on there pretending to be the characters from entourage.i have a feeling this is all hbo sponsored but its great cuz the guys are really in character. on the johnny drama page there is posters for aquaman and for viking quest! funny stuff. but yeah the other side of it is teeny boppers and dudes like heaths bro in law tryin to be hard ass ganstas. i stay away from that nonsense
Pull lists back in the day by MrBoinfoint	Jun 23rd, 2006 06:14:57 PM
I used to think people who had pull lists were lazy mutherfuckers who couldn't get up off their asses on delivery day and paw through the racks for their own damn shit. That was half the fun, ya know? Actually picking your copy of, I dunno, New Warriors or some shit, off the rack and making your own pile. But then again, I'm really an unassuming, meek soul and the last thing I would ever do was impose myself on some poor comicshop workerbee.
my first exposure to pull lists by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 06:23:09 PM
was actually missing out on a pre bagged copy of spider man #1(it was a huge deal back then) after that i became a subscriber and fervent reader of previews. during the collecting heyday in the 90s i got sick of it and called it quits but now a pull list is essential and i agree that an lcs that doesnt offer one is in a sorry state indeed.im usually able to make it to the lcs if not by thursday then on saturday for sure but when i cant its nice to know if i had something i wanted to read its not going to be gone or im going to be down to the last 2 dog eared and drooled on copies. my lcs membership cost 10 bucks as a one time fee but forever more i enjoy 15% off new books and 10% off old product and trades with a free previews catalog every month. some places ive heard of are elaborrate affairs that give u a t shirt and a sow on patch as well as discounts and access to midnight madness type events for certain hot books. i like comics a lot but i dont know that id stand in line at midnight to catch the first issue of something or whatever.
"VICTORYYYYY!!!!" by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 06:37:28 PM
Johnny Drama: "Yeah, I remember my first national commercial." Eric: "Oh what was that Valtrex?" Johnny Drama: "Yeah it was, so fucking what? Got me my Fiat, plus I got a blowjob from the makeup girl who put my sores on."
ouch by blackthought	Jun 23rd, 2006 06:51:09 PM

Fables 50 under Cheap Shots? by v1cious	Jun 23rd, 2006 07:07:13 PM
what the hell?
i was at the superman interview tb by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 07:31:10 PM
at heathen's suggestion and it seems our friend and homophobe moviemack got his racist ass banned. im still trying to find out why from that board but if its true i say good riddance! they were saying he might also post under kintar0 so keep an eye out for him. in other much happier news-we have officially expanded our ranks! welcome our new cog GreatAtuin! his trials where grueling and rigorous but he came through like a champ. afterwards we all got shitfaced at the mansion on asgardian mead and a good time was had by all!
I LOVE my LCS...... by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:01:35 PM
Pulls have been standard practice from the get-go and as my account has been open there since 1990 I enjoy a 20% discount on ALL new books. New subscribers don't get that anymore so I feel all special an' shit. *All hail Neil Johnson of Emerald City Comics and Collectibles-A truly cool and ethical businessman and a testament to the industry not to mention a great friend as the years have progressed.**
Word. by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:01:38 PM
I actually suggested it months ago, but it's done
suggested what heath? by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:16:38 PM
expanding or banning that jagoff? either one would have been cool with me
Oh Warren by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:18:31 PM
Thouhgt for the night By Warren Ellison from myspace- "You'd be surprised how many people approach me thinking I'm going to try and cut off their thumbs or hit them with a chairleg or something. I am a simple person who requires only peace, a zen environment in which to consider The Great Questions, dancing girls, whisky and cigarettes." do we not all share the same desire?
banning, definitely banning by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:32:42 PM
I actually emailed somebody requesting it after his attack on the homosexual writers of Superman Returns. Oh, and Warren Ellis is awesome. Sleazy, he's worth signing up to MySpace alone. The Superman Returns soundtrack is great. I'm loving it. I just put up even more movie reviews on my blog thing for anyone who's interested. Had to get them outta the way before my mondo Supes (DO SOMETHIN, Byrne!) review Wed morning. You will believe a Cog can halfway write
i meant 'ellis' but i wrote 'ellison' by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:45:37 PM
its been a long day
hey now... by blackthought	Jun 23rd, 2006 10:40:30 PM
i was the one who told y'all to check out the harry routh interview to see a banned moviemack...sniffles...when one spends 99.4 percent of his time in his cage brooding he seldom recieves his due...is it because i horde all the banana bread? anyway anyhow...myspace...arghh...jus t a few more days until supes...i wonder if jack bauer has a cameo? i really think it's lex luthor that ex-president logan was taking orders from.
I requested it after the Batman Begins script review by MrBoinfoint	Jun 23rd, 2006 10:45:35 PM
When he first started his anti-batman crusade. No one listens to MrBoinfoint. He'll be back though. They always come back.
I will never request anyone be banned.... by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 10:54:23 PM
I enjoy flaming trolls way too much.
my bad blackthought by Darth Kal-El	Jun 24th, 2006 12:17:09 AM
i always get myself confused as to who said what especially on a friday. the good news is hes gone.***on a related note i wonder if hes lurking throuhg this and other boards and just hearing people be glad hes not around. that must suck
place your bets... by v1cious	Jun 24th, 2006 02:54:05 AM
who dies? Mary Jane or Aunt May.
I don't need MySpace for Warren. by SleazyG.	Jun 24th, 2006 04:31:00 AM
I'm already on his mailing list with mah emails account, and also plus I'm on the feed with LiveJournal. Everything quoted here today from his MySpace account was anywheres from 6-36 months old, so I'm already on toppa that shit. Get with the program, beetches!
I know who dies. by Squashua	Jun 24th, 2006 08:35:12 AM
Aunt Jane.
Dude, Psy.... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 24th, 2006 10:52:34 AM
I LOVE FLAMING TROLLS! Last time we went out for drinks, my buddies and I....Oh, wait. Scratch that. I'm a goon.
Civil War is no Infinite Crisis. by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jun 24th, 2006 12:51:34 PM
DC kills Marvel on the quality level of their comics. Now, if DC could only make decent MOVIES of their comics... That would be great. I'm really looking forward to Superman wiping away the awful taste of Batman Begins. DC should be making better movies than Marvel because their owned by a movie studio! I think that with Superman coming out, and the direction the comics are taking, DC could eventually eclipse Marvel in sales as well.
What, exactly, sucked about Batman Begins? by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 24th, 2006 02:23:21 PM
Was the kick-ass actors, or the well written story? I'm confused. I mean I just want to know the rules here.
Look at me!!! by Shigeru	Jun 24th, 2006 03:21:36 PM
I'm posting on the weekend!! I'm posting on the weeken- is shot
And this is why MySpace rules.... by Psynapse	Jun 24th, 2006 06:43:46 PM
Warren Ellis's thought for the night: "It is important to remember that, in America, running people over with your car can be considered a political expression, and therefore covered by the laws protecting free speech."
Wow. You disappear for a few days ... by dregmobile	Jun 25th, 2006 12:10:23 AM
and there is just too much to read here. Maybe normal people could scan and catch up, but I would have to be the slowest reader here. Anyway, I read JUSTICE 6 and thought it was great. Only another year to go ... *** I've got to say I'm getting sick of all these perv-books, the latest being SUPERMAN/BATMAN 27. wtf? * The plot in IRON MAN INVINCIBLE is thickening nicely. * Now that Hero Squared has sunken in, I don't think I'll bother with the rest. Just really wasn't all that funny. Like, Kevin Smith banter without the laughs ... more like a nod to the writers to say "yeah, you're witty. but that's about it". * I love reading the bitching for CIVIL WAR here. You people remind me of guys who get up in the morning only to find that their favourite cartoon has suddenly been taken off the air, or that you had to buy the OTHER loaf of bread for a week because your favourite was sold out, or bitching about having to make a long detour because of street construction and getting stuck in more traffic. People that bitch and whinge because they have to put up with CHANGE. I laugh because, well ... that's me, too. But like I said before, I have less investment in these characters and I'm loving it. *** Jar Jar has no idea. Did you even read the 7 issues of IC? You are obviously okay with uninked pencils over two page spreads?
weekend post by Darth Kal-El	Jun 25th, 2006 04:51:27 AM
hey shig good to see u here on the weekend!***just saw the lake house with the girl. i recomend this movie!it was great! a nice time travel inducing mailbox with nary a flux capicitor in sight
You Must Read the New STAR WARS: LEGACY Comic!!! by ZombieSolutions	Jun 25th, 2006 11:24:27 AM
it was very cool; set something like 100+ years after Return of the Jedi with all kinds of coolness -- a New Sith Order (a whole mess of 'em apparently) with names like DARTH NIHIL (who kinda looks like a butch Marilyn Manson) and DARTH MALADI (who looks like a red Bene Gesserit witch); also -- New Imperials with Imperial Jedi, no less!!! (very Roman Empire; they're not Sith, but they're not good either); and all kinds of neato DUNE meets JULIUS CEASER meets SEVEN SAMURAII style goodness. of course, the Skywalker family continues on and the new Skywalker (Cade) is as whiny as they come, but, I expect, like his ancestors, will become much, much cooler as he gets older. At any rate, I highly reccomend this comic; especially for STAR WARS fanatics... buy it... BUY IT NOW!!!
Where THE ZONE Go??? by ZombieSolutions	Jun 25th, 2006 11:33:03 AM
Where THE ZONE Go???
weekend, Shig? by The Heathen	Jun 25th, 2006 04:23:50 PM
He's always getting shot on the weekends. Hmm
For those who wanted to know who Blair Butler was. by The Heathen	Jun 25th, 2006 05:32:03 PM
Here's a link to her Fresh Ink! comic reviews that she does every Thursday on Attack of the Show! http://tinyurl.com/qpjte
No blueberry bread for you! Is mine! Da? by Thalya	Jun 25th, 2006 06:51:18 PM
But pumpkin spice with cream cheese is comin' up. And hmm.. ponders on this week's comics batch -- POTENTIAL SPOILERS FOR REST OF POST ROBIN - shame about Batgirl, but it makes sense. And it makes you wonder about the relationship Shiva and Batgirl have. Thank goodness there wasn't any ridiculousness here and the Boomerang Jr. bit is next, otherwise I would've dropped it. * SHADOWPACT - not too bad, but pretty ho-hum. It's borderline on my list and the end of this arc will tell me whether to drop it. * JSA: CLASSIFIED - this arc petered out. I think I'll drop the next few and wait for the Hourman story. Otherwise, this has been pretty consistently good. * BIRDS OF PREY - the story seemed as tired as the art, and note, I like the pencils, but I think Giordano way over-inked in places and under-defined in others (top panel of page 20 of 23, Canary's chinline is left to be defined by the colorist). Plus, I particularly liked how Gypsy's big save was similar to the double-page spread in JLA where Batman takes out Prometheus while yelling "Professor Stephen Hawking!" (and great way to build up Helena, give her a nemesis, and initiate Gypsy). It was a big relief to see Canary go back to normal, for the most part, but yet again this is an example of clunk in Gail Simone's storytelling. Granted, each issue should, at best, be a story unto itself, but I expect something much more smoothly-flowing, at least in terms of character. Don't lead me to believe a character is irrevocably changed leading me to expect the character to now behave differently, only to backtrack-jump between issues where jump explains the difference in tone. I realize to an extent this is actually a trope of good cliffhanger comics, but here it feels as though at the cliffhanger there's actual growth and momentum, so when the next issue comes, it only feels like the writer goes and grabs the character and yanks her back, saying "Oh, sorry, I didn't mean it." It feels like a cheat and ultimately I think it has to do with the type of change coupled with how it's presented in both issues. Gail writes Dinah amazingly well, but these non-fluid clunks just irritate, especially when reading through her run. But on the plus side, it was really sad to see Crime Doctor go. He was written awesomely and in just the right proportion to the rest of the story (unlike my fave villain, ahem). I love the depth Gail adds, though my personal favorite villain writer would have to be Marc Andreyko. All I have left to say is DON'T OVERDO DOCTOR PSYCHO! He's on the border of Wolverine or Deathstroke-level overuse (and when the heck does Secret Six take place? Before or after his presumed acquittal in Manhunter (if he's out in time for Wonder Woman?)). * FLASH - Poor Bart. Pair him up with Jaime Reyes though and I think they could be fast friends (pardon the pun). Compelling story though (and I agree with Engineer on a new Reverse Flash - it'll be an ArchEnemies situation where they're both learning to use their powers at the same time, I bet) and it looks like they're gonna finally make use of the library of knowledge in his head. But weak coloring - I miss the pop art feeling that filled Howard Porter's art, I mean, there, it was distinct. Here, alot of stuff bleeds into one another. * 52 - another week of progress and lots of little details. Really have to wonder about Booster and what he's not showing. That he's so markedly different than pre-IC makes think that either it's someone else entirely or he's got another underlying agenda that he's letting his shallow persona hide. hmm..
Brett Butler... by mbeemer	Jun 26th, 2006 10:25:43 AM
...was doing a report from a comics convention and they did a bit with her regaling a couple of geeks: "Wasn't it cool when Superboy was just punching people's heads off left and right?" One of the geeks looked at her and said, "You may be the coolest girl ever!" And he just might be right... (I was surprised she wasn't more critical of the unmasking, though. She has to have seen too many cheap gimmicks to be so trusting of TPTB.)
oh mondays.... by blackthought	Jun 26th, 2006 11:45:34 AM
and no worries about credit darth...i just wanted the collar for a rouge takedown (i get to take a higher commission that way)...i wonder what new name he'll be under? or will he finally leave his mom's basement? oh and ecuador...sighs. how can a team play so crappily poor like england has this whole world cup and continue to eek out 1-nil wins and what not. i was a little dissapointed with what ecuador did...once they went a goal down...it was like they conceded the game and said to themselves, this is what people expect, lets just live witt it. if they had just took the game to the english they easily could of tied that game up as well and perhaps take it. the english backline was wiltering about to crack like an editor at marvel when people on the street or wherever let him/her know that editors are supposed to edit...oh mondays.
Thalya & Engineer re: Flash (now that I've read it) by The Heathen	Jun 26th, 2006 11:46:26 AM
SPOILERS I wondered the same thing about Bart, Engineer. I'm not sure, but it seems that way. Why has he lied about it though? Griffen is going to be a major villian for Bart, hopefully somebody new though instead of another reverse Flash. That was the best thing that this first issue did. The art and coloring is weak. Engineer was right about the confusion of the layout and Lady C. was right about the colors bleeding. I'll stick around and see how the first arc goes. I've never bought an issue of Flash before. Hmm. I like the idea of Jaime Reyes becoming friends with Bart. Any ideas on who's going to be in the new Justice League?
goal? by The Heathen	Jun 26th, 2006 11:47:52 AM
Superman Returns tomorrow night!!!!!!!!
9PM Muvico BayWalk..... by Psynapse	Jun 26th, 2006 12:57:53 PM
To be followed by my first blog ever: "Truth, Justice, and the search for Superman's penis"
Just saw Nacho Libre... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 26th, 2006 01:14:53 PM
...and I wish it was Macho Libre from the ECW show last week. How, HOW, do you make a lucha libre movie staring Jack Fucking Black boring? Apperantly, you give it to the guy who directed Napoleon Dynamite. And I liked Napoleon Dynamite. DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL! YOU BLEW IT ALL UP!
Too true, GreatA by The Heathen	Jun 26th, 2006 01:21:15 PM
A blog from, Psy! Can't wait. I've been preparing my own Supes (what, Byrne!!) Review full of links and pics and basically everything besides my actual opinion of the movie until I see it tomorrow night.
oh mondays by Darth Kal-El	Jun 26th, 2006 01:43:59 PM
i agree with you on just about every point blackthought. im bummed we got elimihated but what can one do. goddamn lazy offense and goddamn bad teeth holigan bastards! i saw the lake house thanks to heaths recomendation and i dug it a lot. the girl actually cried and i was on the verge. im catching superman in imax 3d on friday night and i dont think ill be able to hold it then
I am going to a free exclusive pre-screening.. by Psynapse	Jun 26th, 2006 02:05:51 PM
Because my geek is bigger than your geek....
Bastard! by Darth Kal-El	Jun 26th, 2006 02:23:17 PM
im jelous!
damn lucky bastard you are, Psy!!! by The Heathen	Jun 26th, 2006 02:30:10 PM
Man, I'll probably swell up tomorrow night. All it'll take is John Williams original score and something, I dunno, awesome and I'll get all misty. Glad you like The Lake House, Y. It's really good. I'm not going to see Superman Returns in IMAX 3-D until a few weeks. Tell me how that is. I'm dying to know. ** Psy, I won't be able to view your blog until I've seen it. Man, you got the free early screening and you know what Runaway died from, Shig (which I don't want to know, but
I loved the new All Star Superman. by The Heathen	Jun 26th, 2006 02:45:00 PM
Just, great stuff. I love the small things like Superman's dialogue boxes gradually changing from light to dark because of the black kryptonite. And then there's the page where Jimmy's signal watch goes off and the last panel is genius. The way it's tilted. Just perfectly awesome.
The Runaway that dies is.... by Psynapse	Jun 26th, 2006 02:58:49 PM
Old Lace: The kids get REALLY freaking hungry and no coins for Mickey D's so.........
Y'know Heath..... by Psynapse	Jun 26th, 2006 03:01:46 PM
For someone who is 8% more evil than me you sure are a softy......
How are we not talking about The Ultimates? by Shigeru	Jun 26th, 2006 03:14:06 PM
Huh?? Bryan Hitch can have my gay man-baby! WTFOMGZ!
I know. I thought, "I can't be more evil than, Psy!" by The Heathen	Jun 26th, 2006 03:14:45 PM
But sure enough, I was like, "um, well, yeah I did spit in somone's drink that one time and sure I have a nemesis." Here's the doozy though, I thought about it and it depended on if I could choose who to kill, then I'd do it. How can I be evil and like The Lake House? sniff Williams score sniff you're joking about Old Lace right? Right? Please?
Ultimates by The Heathen	Jun 26th, 2006 03:17:32 PM
I'm going to wait for the HC like I did with the first volume. I know, I know. I'm going to go jump in that volcano now
WTFOMGZBBQ!! by Shigeru	Jun 26th, 2006 03:19:01 PM
poops in Heathen's volcano
ultimates by Darth Kal-El	Jun 26th, 2006 03:20:23 PM
got it but havent read it yet. how about that motherfucking AXM issue? OMG that was good! that last panel blew me away! and the spoilers thing with wolverine being turned into a little british girl was hilarious. "say mine is the best or i shall be cross all day". and seriously colossus did not remember shaw?
loved AXM too by Shigeru	Jun 26th, 2006 03:30:33 PM
the wolvie homage with kitty pryde at the end was great! and the wolverine stuff made me laugh... so good... now if cassaday could just draw AXM and Planetary at the same time...?
"Say mine is the best or I shall be cross all day." by The Heathen	Jun 26th, 2006 03:49:49 PM
I loved it too. Kitty at the end was awesome. What issue/story is the homage from? I can't remember to save my life. Hell, Kitty's whole problem in the issue was scary and cool and bad ass all in one. In my perfect comic world, this book would come out every month and would continue with the same creative team forever (how's that for credit Alonso?). Justice #6 was awesome too. Really good week for comics. It seems The Flash was the only real 'meh' of the most anticipated bunch. I'm good with All Star Supes, AXM and Justice.
heath by Darth Kal-El	Jun 26th, 2006 03:56:40 PM
how could u forget this iconic image?http://tinyurl.com/jr7 xsno bread for u!
doesn't AXM make you by blackthought	Jun 26th, 2006 04:00:01 PM
wish that whedon was behind the x-flicks...superman...i wonder if superboy-prime makes a cameo cause that would be headirific.
apperently in france by Darth Kal-El	Jun 26th, 2006 04:02:32 PM
wolverine is known by the much gayer name serval*http://tinyurl.com/hn f4m*
that would be sweet blackthought by Darth Kal-El	Jun 26th, 2006 04:08:27 PM
as much as i enjoyed x3 the thought of a whedon made movie makes me dizzy with how cool it could have been."je ma pel serval! grrrrrrr"
Remember when by The Heathen	Jun 26th, 2006 04:27:33 PM
there was that limbo between X-Men 3 directors and Whedon had just done Serenity and finished his first run on AXM? I would have loved for him to have done an X-Men movie. I hope that he one day still does.
Serval by The Heathen	Jun 26th, 2006 04:30:00 PM
"It's time for me to serval you, bub!"
Lying in the Gutters by dan grendel	Jun 26th, 2006 05:27:52 PM
Anyone else catch that John Byrne has declared our very own Dave Farabee an asshole? He misspelled it, of course. Dude, it's @$$hole.
Post a link Dan..Please and thank you by Psynapse	Jun 26th, 2006 05:48:25 PM
(*_^)
Really, Dan? Please post a link. by The Heathen	Jun 26th, 2006 05:52:06 PM
Byrne calls everyone an asshole doesn't he? I'm sick of his shit, but at least he can find Dave_F. Can't wait to see Supes tomorrow!!!
byrne is really cranky by blackthought	Jun 26th, 2006 06:18:00 PM
i remember that limbo well...joss took his name out the hat due to the super fast schedule for x3. sighs. i'm waiting for alonso to put out a challenge against hard-core comic lovers like "dr." uwe boll did. i'd throw my hat in for that challenge.
No link handy by dan grendel	Jun 26th, 2006 06:42:13 PM
But it's easy to find- Rich Johnston highlighted it with a link in his Lying in the Gutters column over on Comic Book Resources.
Meh, there. by dan grendel	Jun 26th, 2006 06:45:26 PM
Meh, i got off my lazy @$$ and found the link. This is to Rich's column, which as I said highlights the exchange (which is from Byrne's board) and links to it. http://tinyurl.com/f284
Dave_F by Darth Kal-El	Jun 26th, 2006 07:34:08 PM
is cheating on us with the Byrne board but still fuck John Byrne in his stupid ass for that comment!
_Up_, Darth... by Thalya	Jun 26th, 2006 07:49:13 PM
It's _up_ his stupid ass, darlin'.
cheating...not cool by blackthought	Jun 26th, 2006 07:49:20 PM

DEAR JOHN BYRNE.... by Psynapse	Jun 26th, 2006 07:52:42 PM
GET OVER YOURSELF. The rest of us are with a quickness (BTW-I own every single issue of everything you've creator published as well as damn near everything you've ever done for the big 2. I am an enormous fan of your art. The way you treat people and attack anyone whose opinion you don't like? Not so much.)
UP!! by Darth Kal-El	Jun 26th, 2006 07:55:01 PM
my bad!
re:cheating by Darth Kal-El	Jun 26th, 2006 07:56:35 PM
yeah last time Dave posted he reeked of cheap whore perfume and he had lipstick on his collar.those where worrisome signs but the clincher was when he tried some new sex shit he had never done before...god im bored
You guys are the Diet Coke of evil... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 26th, 2006 08:36:59 PM
Check my blog. I was 100% honest, and I really didn't think I'd score that high.
im 62% evil on that thing by Darth Kal-El	Jun 26th, 2006 09:09:34 PM
"You are very evil. And you're too evil to care. Those who love you probably also fear you. A lot. "is what it said. that cant be right i cant have beat psynapse.
32% Evil by Thalya	Jun 26th, 2006 09:21:09 PM
A bit of evil lurks in your heart, but you hide it well. In some ways, you are the most dangerous kind of evil. Bwahahahaha!!! *** In other news, I'm a Hunter Soul and a glazed devil's food donut. Damn those blog-ons are addictive.
Really? by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 26th, 2006 09:36:12 PM

I was 100% honest on that 'evil' test... by Psynapse	Jun 26th, 2006 09:37:29 PM
But I've never spit in someone's drink nor have I ever backstabbed a friend secretly (Rather I have always gotten right in their face about it. So much so that a friend once had a DJ dedicate 808 State's 'In yer face' and they said my full name at that! to me over the loudspeaker ata club a few years back). Nor would I kill over something so puerile as money, it would have to be something more worthwhile like good ole vengeance if I'm gonna jack up that kind of karma. Nor have I (and we all know how pernicious THIS evil is right??I'm being utterly sarcastic here) ever downloaded music illegally. And what exactly IS a "walk of shame"?
Spike's too old to be emo by Thalya	Jun 26th, 2006 09:54:23 PM
Besides, if any vampire with a soul is emo, it's definitely Angel.
Sorry, m'Lady, but I've got you on this one.... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 26th, 2006 10:34:07 PM
I have had this discussion many times. Spike is WAY more Emo than Angel. I'll start at the beggining. Angel became a vampire because he got beaten by his dad, and met a ridiculously hot chick who made it all better by sucking on him. THat's pretty Emo, but nothing compared to Spike. William was a spoiled little rich boy who couldn't use his bad poetry to woo the hottest girl in town, then he met an even HOTTER chick, who was a little bat-shit (attraction to people who are bad for you is WAY Emo) and fell for her immediately, even though she was undead. Next we'll go to they're un-life before the show. Angelus was teh evilest bastich on the planet (appearently next to me?), and little Will, now going by the oh so "cry-for-attention" name of Spike, was always brooding that he was second best. Then Angelus rapes and kills a bunch of Gypsies, and has a curse placed on him to FORCE him to be good. So he spends the next hundred or so years brooding over his handy work. Spike? Yeah, he spednds that time trying to live up to his "dad", and even manages to out-do him by killing two slayers and creating a look that Billy Idol would steal later (that's an obscure episode right there), but he still feels like a failure and hangs on to his bat-shit girl. Angel falls for the slayer sure, but the minute he loses his soul again he goes on a killing spree, killing Giles girl. So he takes spins off because he's no good for her. Spike gets dumped by "Ol' Batty" for a mucus demon so he come back to town to try and sort shit. Winds up getting nuetered so that he can't kill humans, and decides to join the scoobies. Of course he fals in love with the slayer, because Spike can't not be in love, but she rejects him, so he wants to kill her. He fights through hell to get to be able to do that, and the demon offers him his one "true" desire. He says it's to be able to kill the slayer, but winds up getting his soul back. So, he fought his way through hell to get his soul back, while Angel had his thrust upon him. Finally, when the shit storm is hitting Sunnydale, Angel is off boinking cops, random hot actresses, and Buffy's old high school rival, while Spike sacrifices himself to save the world, but mainly cause Buffy doesn't love him anyway. Thus Spike is way more Emo than Angel. Plus, he's British, and Angel is Irish. Being half Irish I know that you simply cannot be Emo with that much liquor in your system.
Wow! by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 26th, 2006 10:34:46 PM
That wa WAY longer than I thought it would be.
JLA: Classified 22 by dregmobile	Jun 26th, 2006 10:45:20 PM
As gay as the cover looks, ans as bad as the villains might appear (the Royal Flush Gang?) it's actually the most solid issue from this series since Grant Morrison's opening arc in the series. I took one look at the red white and blue hero on the cover and decided to put off reading until the entire series was on the shelf (my shelf), but I gave it a go ... and this character, 'Steel', actually held the issue together nicely. Great drama, a great action scene. Lame heroes, but the writers don't hide this and is actually what makes this story work. Can't wait to read the rest ...
I just realised... by dregmobile	Jun 26th, 2006 10:49:16 PM
There may be people here that may be offended by my use of the word 'gay' in the post above. But when I use the term, it serves more as a description like 'lame' in an embarrasing kind of way, rather than insinuating any homosexual bashing. Wow ... this is like digging a hole for yourself David Brent-style ...
nice by blackthought	Jun 26th, 2006 10:54:43 PM

Broody = Emo, end of story by Thalya	Jun 26th, 2006 10:57:01 PM
Angel broods, Spike's a man of action. "So, he fought his way through hell to get his soul back, while Angel had his thrust upon him." Passivity leads to emo-ness. Part of the whole point of Angel s5 was while Angel continually brooded for the better part of 100 years and only got a kick in the nuts when he went all mopey-eyed for some teen twinket, Spike went insane for a few months then got over it. Plus, Spike didn't have daddy issues, he was jealous of Dru's attentions, and killing Slayers is a pretty darn good way to prove his manhood. Dru was the one with daddy issues. And dear? I know Spike's and Angel's histories. On a good day I could recite the names of all 144 Buffy episodes in order.
I don't deny that Angel is Emo by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 26th, 2006 11:09:58 PM
But he's nothing compared to little William. Just sayin'. Did Angel ever do a little "you don't love me" song and dance? ;)
One word: Caritas by Thalya	Jun 26th, 2006 11:16:37 PM

Caritas? by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 26th, 2006 11:22:31 PM
You got me on that one. I just think Spike, with his bad poetry, could give that douchebag confessional guy a run.
Angel likes Mandy by Thalya	Jun 26th, 2006 11:35:22 PM
"I think it's pretty."
Hey Dreg... by Psynapse	Jun 26th, 2006 11:46:23 PM
Don't be such a fag.
PS- by Psynapse	Jun 26th, 2006 11:47:04 PM
(*_^)
Huh? by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 27th, 2006 12:31:23 AM
Ok, I'll step down. I'm lost without a uptight British guy to watch me. You win.
im lost on the buffy talk by Darth Kal-El	Jun 27th, 2006 12:33:46 AM
ive been meaning to get into it but i still have 50+ other videos ahead of it on blocknuster online so well see how that goes. its good to know when i do decide to check it out i got twin reference guides i can access
Oh my god! by El Vale	Jun 27th, 2006 12:45:23 AM
Did you guys hear about John Byrne calling our own Dave Fara fucking Bee an asshole on his board because Dave's looking forward to Lost Girls?! It's all over Lying in the gutters, go check it out. Sorry if you already did. I would like to know why Dave hasn't been arund much lately but he does go to the Byrne board. I guess it means he's tired of this board and this column, and if that's the case he should just...come out with it, you know? Be honest. End Dave rant.
um... by blackthought	Jun 27th, 2006 01:04:14 AM
dave_f plus lying in the gutters=hand ball...tsk tsk...come back dave...you are loved here...i think that's love anyway.
It's like, you try and defend kiddie porn... by Dave_F	Jun 27th, 2006 01:30:28 AM
...and suddenly YOU'RE the bad guy! Hey, be sure to jump to page 7 of the Byrne thread where I jumped back in with my full-on defense of LOST GIRLS and reminded FABLES readers that they're all sinners too. Anyway, I'm'a be back soon, y'all. You know I could never hate YOU, though I did find Byrne christening me an asshole to be a special kind of endearing. Sure, I get that kind of dissin' all the time here, but there's a special magic when Byrne says it. Hopin' to have some reviews for ya come Wednesday...
Dave by El Vale	Jun 27th, 2006 01:45:40 AM
You and i are in agreement, son...i'm looking forward to Lost Girls more than anything. I'm also looking forward to NOT having the means to acquire it. Amazon has a sweet deal on it, tho', let us take a look.
Turtle sleepy.... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 27th, 2006 01:51:48 AM
Bronchial infection + heavy, heavy medication = near dead Turtle. Night, night denizens.
Dave by Thalya	Jun 27th, 2006 08:24:42 AM
Kermit T. Frog full-body shake Yaaaaaaayyyyy!!!!
I had a dream once... by Shigeru	Jun 27th, 2006 08:29:45 AM
In it the word "Cog" was uttered in Lying in the Gutters. So this almost counts. Byrne really needs to realize how utterly ridiculous he's become. It's almost funny. Almost.
Oh and Dave: by Shigeru	Jun 27th, 2006 08:31:57 AM
YAY indeed. We all promise to comment on your reviews in the Talkbacks, and promise to read more indie books....heck we are all reading Mouse Guard... please love us again!
i'm tearing up by blackthought	Jun 27th, 2006 08:55:28 AM

hands blacthought a tissue It's okay by The Heathen	Jun 27th, 2006 10:01:01 AM
I'm happy too. Wow, can't wait for the reviews Dave, good to here from you. GreaA, that's evil man! Almost scary how evil that is. I like yours and Thalya's Buffy talk. Reminds me of good times. The look Angel had when he said he liked 'Mandy' was
'k' by The Heathen	Jun 27th, 2006 10:06:15 AM
you know what for
Spider-Man returns trailer... by superhero	Jun 27th, 2006 11:52:42 AM
awesome: http://www.someshow.tv/ He apparently doesn't reveal his identity either. Way to show up SUPERMAN RETURNS
Spider-man returns trailer... by superhero	Jun 27th, 2006 11:53:19 AM
awesome: http://www.someshow.tv/ He apparently doesn't reveal his identity either. Way to show up SUPERMAN RETURNS
Heathen by Thalya	Jun 27th, 2006 12:12:11 PM
You sure it wasn't titled Spike: Old Wounds? 'Cause I can't find Old Times anywhere.
awesome. by The Heathen	Jun 27th, 2006 12:18:57 PM
even with the projector rolling. I'm even MORE excited about Superman now nd I didn't think that was possible. Good looking out, superhero.
Positive, Lady C. by The Heathen	Jun 27th, 2006 12:24:34 PM
check it out http://tinyurl.com/os4dc http://tinyurl.com/nhc2r ** I dunno if you can find it anywhere cheaper. That's pricey. I could mail you my copy if you want. I'd need it back with a fresh basket of pumpkin spice bread of course. ; )
Spidey 3 teaser by Shigeru	Jun 27th, 2006 12:54:27 PM
Yeah I almost just yelled "HOLY SHIT!!" at work. Sandman...wow...
ditto: Sandman by The Heathen	Jun 27th, 2006 12:57:06 PM

7 hours to go...... by Psynapse	Jun 27th, 2006 01:00:28 PM
********
hell yeah by The Heathen	Jun 27th, 2006 01:19:57 PM
swshhhhh
im trying to keep my excitement at bay by Darth Kal-El	Jun 27th, 2006 01:21:43 PM
and its just not working! ive never made it a secret that i love superman and have a lot of figures and pictures on my desk. i swear no exageration, at least 30 people have come up to me in the past few weeks and said 'you must be pretty excited huh?'. its funny how i know exactly what theyre talking about. unfortunately i work early all this week and the soonest i can get out to it is friday night. im glad psy and heath are going ahead. oh and hey guys do me a huge favor. hate it or love please keep it slightly spoiler free(or with warnings) til i can catch up. Please?!
I just DLed... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 27th, 2006 01:55:16 PM
the Musical episode of Buffy. I know Joss's schtick isn't everyones cup of whiskey, but God Damn that was a well done piece of bidness. Spike: "I hope she fries! I'm free if that bitch dies! I'd better help her out..."
hey turtle by Darth Kal-El	Jun 27th, 2006 02:00:25 PM
i hope your feeling better my friend.
Nope, still sick and drugged.... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 27th, 2006 02:16:55 PM
but, hey at least I'm not getting paid, right?
Yours in solidarity, Darth by Thalya	Jun 27th, 2006 02:31:41 PM
I'm not seeing it til the weekend either. I gotta catch up and see the first two first of all..
sorry to hear it atuin by Darth Kal-El	Jun 27th, 2006 03:35:34 PM
and thanks thalya! well just have to keep ourselves spoiler free til the weekend!
Nice try, Psynapse... by SleazyG.	Jun 27th, 2006 03:35:48 PM
...but if you've never taken a "walk of shame" I'll eat my hat. It's when you spend the night at somebody's place, and then in the morning you have to walk across your college campus or neighborhood or whatever back to your own place. It didn't seem like such a bad idea when you went home with them half (or one and a half) drunk...but now that everybody can see you crawling out of somebody's dorm room, disheveled and unshowered, and then watch you drag your tired carcass back to your dorm to pass out in your bed still reeking of cheap beer and cheaper sex, you're wondering if you made the right decision...and whether you'll make it again next weekend.
if thats what it means by Darth Kal-El	Jun 27th, 2006 03:39:05 PM
my 'evil' just went up a couple of points. i had honestly never heard the expression related to sex before. the one time i heard it was an email about taking a shit at work dos and donts and the walk of shame was when u stunk up the bathroom because u didnt courtesy flush(one of the dos)and had to walk by people at the urinals or washing hands.its funny cuz one of the 'donts' was dont look a person performing the walk of shame in the eye
Get to chewin' Sleazy.... by Psynapse	Jun 27th, 2006 04:23:29 PM
While I've partied enough to surely earn my place in hell I handle my drugs VERY VERY well and have never slept with anyone I was ashamed of or wondered what the hell I had done. Mainly because I had the good fortune of having friends that were WAY sleazier than me to amuse me at the club and after to keep me from going that route myself.
Though I HAVE walked out of places... by Psynapse	Jun 27th, 2006 04:33:18 PM
fully bearing that 'freshly fucked or mugged' look but I was always PROUD to be doing so 'cuz DAMN but I made that sumbitch scream. When you've spent as many night w/o sleep as I have (which is a LOT) looking like roadkill in public is no sweat at all.
"'cuz DAMN but I made that sumbitch scream" by Darth Kal-El	Jun 27th, 2006 04:37:49 PM
The Walk of PRIDE! Only psynapse can be this evil!
True Story..... by Psynapse	Jun 27th, 2006 05:00:37 PM
June 1997: 8:15 AM on a Sunday morning at the local Albertson's my friend Jamie and I a re-stocking on water and gatorade and I am still tripping BALLS (We trolled that night-tripping+rolling=trollin g) and I yell at Grandma looking down her nose: "What the fuck are you starin' at ya dried up ole hag?!? Yer just bitter 'cuz one of us got laid last night and it sure as hell wasn't your dusty old cunt!!" God I had so much fun at Boatyard.....
Hey she asked for it.... by Psynapse	Jun 27th, 2006 05:23:39 PM
I mean, that old bitch was mad-eyein' the fuck outta me!
OMFGLOL!! by Darth Kal-El	Jun 27th, 2006 05:42:11 PM
thats hilarious!
I've never done the walk of shame either... by SleazyG.	Jun 27th, 2006 06:43:29 PM
...but some women I hooked up with in college sure as shit did. Should I be ashamed? Fuck no--I wasn't the one doin' the walkin'. I've skulked out of womens' rooms in the hopes of not being spotted til I was down the stairs, tho...
ditto on the walk of shame by Darth Kal-El	Jun 27th, 2006 07:08:22 PM
altho i did do the run of fear once. i hooked up with this girl back in my teens who invited me back to her house and swore up and down it was ok that her parents where out of town. well come to find out the bitch lied when she made me jump out a window the next morning. to make matters worse i ran in the oppiste direction she told me to-right in front of the window her mom was looking out of. the crazy mom chased me down the block to my car!
lol @ psynapse by dregmobile	Jun 27th, 2006 09:03:35 PM
like no other place my posts here have the amazing effect of a drop of water in a puddle but with no ripples ... ***** amazon are now sending me house of me and avengers dissasembled so i can finally get into this new avengers shit ... YAY! faglike
Okay, I need opinions by Thalya	Jun 27th, 2006 11:39:57 PM
Picture this. This dialogue takes place within the confines of a comic book panel, on a three row by two column grid. Is this whole dialogue doable or should I pare it down to roughly the first and last line? *** Weather Wizard: So what do you want with this gal, anyway? * Calculator: You know my rates? * Weather Wizard: She's gonna be your accountant? * Calculator: Do you really want the answer to that? * Weather Wizard: Well, uh.. * Calculator: Good. Don't squander your bonus asking dumb questions, Mark.
It's Official: Comic Book Movies This Year... by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 12:18:36 AM
DC KICKED MARVEL'S ASS.
from the john byrne board by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 02:31:01 AM
after a very well put together response from Dave_F and others Byrne had the last word with this "Parents cannot keep an eye on their kids 24/7. In any case, this is not the issue. This is about respect for the intent of authors, living or dead. How many here, I wonder, busily defending Moore's rights, would squawk loudly if someone optioned WATCHMEN and turned it into a kiddy story, with songs and fuzzy animals? This thread is officially too depressing. That there are people who would defend Moore on any grounds just adds to my overall sense of having wasted 30 years of my life. End of thread. "
um... by blackthought	Jun 28th, 2006 02:43:38 AM
does byrne know that alan moore is the greatest writer the medium has ever seen? thus all the staunch defending...plus glycon kicks unholy ammounts of ass...byrne, you are too cranky man.
High Quality Pharmecuticals by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 28th, 2006 10:26:44 AM
Hello there everybody in TB-Land. Today, I journey into the wonderful world of pharmecuticals as I try to bondo what's left of my appearently fragile health and attempt a full day of work. So far I have injested three types of decongestant, two pain killers, and an expectorant (that one should be fun for the kids). I have also innundated myself with copious amounts of echinecia (sp?) and Vitamin C. I don't know if they're working, but the talking orange slice that drove me to work said that I look like a million floogles! I'm assuming the best, partly because I really need to go to work, and partly because I'm getting a funny feeling from the way that thing is looking at my crotch. I'll update you all later when I've added coffee and pixi-stix to the mix (don't ask, I'm not lucent enough to explain). Bye now! Merry Christmas!
The funniest part of Byrne's rants by far: by Shigeru	Jun 28th, 2006 10:32:56 AM
The incessant assertation that because people disagree with him or like things he doesn't, he's wasted 30 years of his life working in comics. Keep 'em coming man, this is hilarious!
Great A by Shigeru	Jun 28th, 2006 10:38:45 AM
Ride on brother! The white pixels scream loudest but they're cowards when faced with fire, and when all is said and done, it WILL rain tomorrow.
Byrne: "This is about respect for the intent of authors by mbeemer	Jun 28th, 2006 10:55:06 AM
You mean like "Superman doesn't kill"?
Yo John..... by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 11:33:01 AM
God complex much? Personally I think it's hysterical how he's displaying just how weak his ego is. Superman Returns RAWKED (NO, it's not perfect and that's not a bad thing as I suspect the perfect movie would shatter the individual consciousness of all present and create a hive mind that would then take over the rest of the world) so GET OVER YOURSELF johnny B.
beep? by Thalya	Jun 28th, 2006 11:36:27 AM
Beep boop beep boo?
Oh $#!T! by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 28th, 2006 11:42:59 AM
The robots got Thalya. Where's my Cog-municator? Fuck! Heath, I told you they needed to be bigger! I think it got mixed in with my last dose of "better". Well, at least you guys will know when I puke next. Shig, if it rains, we're all going duck hunting, I SWEAR TO GOD!
beeeeeed.. by Thalya	Jun 28th, 2006 11:54:22 AM
Igga boo. Dibba ga na qua. Ge hasta ba, la tooky. Boys...
Thalya just said "tooky" and "boys" by Shigeru	Jun 28th, 2006 01:19:32 PM
Reminds me of the time we were making shirts for our band and we ran out funny phrases... so we just put a large block of random letters on the front. Wasn't until the guy buying it pointed out to us that we realized "Hey there's the word 'POON' right in the middle there!!"
Cog-municator! by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 01:22:21 PM
that has a cool ring to it!and yeah great a sounds like a fun trip! hope u feel better soon...
sigh by Thalya	Jun 28th, 2006 01:37:24 PM
tap tap tap
What Women Want by Shigeru	Jun 28th, 2006 01:39:04 PM
I know what they want. Women want a response to their post asking for advice on their writing. I have a response: "uh I dunno."
hmm.. by Thalya	Jun 28th, 2006 01:49:00 PM
Should I give context or would that be TMI? Why do I even bother? I'm just asking about a character interaction and whether it might be too much for a single panel.
Responsification... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 28th, 2006 01:51:40 PM
Don't worry Thal. As soon as the fairies (they wear boots, you gotta believe me) stop stealing my stuff and replacing it with other stuff THAT IS EXACTLY THE SAME, I'll re-read your delema(sp?) post and come back with a marginally useful response. But first, the fairies. They think no one knows, but the Turtle knows. Oh yes, the Turtle knows.
Know what else is now official? by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 01:52:17 PM
Superman is now HAWT.
Somehow I have a feeling.. by Thalya	Jun 28th, 2006 01:55:45 PM
..that Supes = HAWT is not a good thing, unless it's supposed to be Superboy.
Thal by Shigeru	Jun 28th, 2006 01:59:56 PM
That's 6 back and forth's in one panel... remember way back when you first sent us it, I think I said something how that's not my cup of tea, and I'm sticking by it. I would go for max 3 (WW, Calc, WW), then close up on Calculator for the next single line, then the next panel have the last two (WW, Calc). I think that flows nicely.
Byrne's a nutjob, but he has a point. by SleazyG.	Jun 28th, 2006 02:05:48 PM
Moore's highly respected, but he is fucking about with other peoples' creations. The minute I decide to have Doctor Manhattan rape Jack B. Quick on-panel in my new series released in comic book stores and mainstream outlets alike we'd see Moore and his fans going absolutely bug-fuck nuts. There's no question Barrie and Baum would be horrified, and I can't blame them or their supporters--it is, in fact, taking something treasured by our culture and turning it into something decidedly inappropriate and offensive. All that said, people like Dave are right in that it's all in the execution, and maybe it's very well done. Still, I think we're all overlooking one major point, and the real reason I don't give a shit about LOST GIRLS: all erotica--ALL EROTICA--is garbage, top to bottom (heh), and so are all porn ALL PORN--comics. No room for argument on either of these, either. Erotic novels are crapola, and so are porn comics. Grow up, people: either get into real porn or don't, but don't half-ass it and stop trying to intellectualize blowjobs. Sex is many things, but intellectual is not one of them. Intellectualizing sex is one of the simplest, most direct ways to make it unsexy, defeating the purpose. Sex may be an art, but when the arts attempt to capture what makes sex sexy they uniformly fail. Either that dude is tossing that other dude's salad or he's not, but four pages of Anne Rice's purple prose doesn't make it "art". Either Wonderland's Alice is having sex with an adult human or she's not, but no amount of intellectualizing makes the images any less creepy or offensive. The thing is, Moore's not an idiot. He fucking well knows that, and he's intentionally doing it to provoke an emotional response from the viewer. There's nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with anybody who either tries to deny the intent or tries to act surprised by getting precisely the intended result.
Too much back and forth for one panel, Thalya. by SleazyG.	Jun 28th, 2006 02:07:13 PM
Two panels, sure, but not one. The issue isn't the number of words, it's the number of times the person speaking changes. Half a dozen word bubbles in one panel means no art in that panel.
Thalya.... by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 02:11:04 PM
You're asking an unfair question. YOU as a writer must decide not us. You know the story you're trying to tell and you know the overall arc within which said context is applied. I've read enough of your writing (read: you are a pistol with dialogue) to need to ask this: What about the dialogue vexes you so?
That's an idea, Shig.. by Thalya	Jun 28th, 2006 02:15:26 PM
The sad thing is, I've already got a 7-panel page and limited space. I hate trade-offs, though it looks like I might have to. And I'd really like to work in the line about his rates.. I'm working on a running gag with that. sigh
Psy.. by Thalya	Jun 28th, 2006 02:23:54 PM
I know I have to decide, but given my lack of experience with the format, does it hurt to ask for advice? Since it seems right now I have a decompressed mentality when doing dialogue but a noncompressed one for visuals. As it is, I may well cut the fat in it as I don't want to make Weather Wizard too much of a doofus. If nothing else I guess I wanted to air the middle part because I thought it was a funny bit that will sadly have to get cut in the name of economy.
Yeah them's the breaks kiddo by Shigeru	Jun 28th, 2006 02:25:07 PM
Help with panel trouble: get a comic and lay it over a piece of paper and trace the outline of it. Get your script and a ruler and make your rough panels...sketch in the dialogue baloons... you'll see pretty quick what Sleazy is talking about.
T.... by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 02:32:11 PM
Sweetie if I appeared to chide that is misunderstanding, my apologies. I guess what I'm trying to say is this: You are now ONE OF US gooble gobble gooble gobble(as a comics reader), and as such you know what works and what doesn't. All I'm saying is apply that 'reader mentality' when attempting to self-edit (then again most writers DO have an editor simply saying to them "This clunks, fix it"). (*_^)
Thalya, i got some advice by El Vale	Jun 28th, 2006 02:38:24 PM
And it's good advice i swear! Okay here we go: Draw it. Go on, get out some paper and a pen and draw your page, even if you suck at drawing. Do the panels and the word balloons and everything and then see if it looks right. If it doesn't, then you'll have to figure out a way to present your running gag in a way that doesn't interfere with your story, which is cool because you get to be creative.
No, Superman HAWT is a very very good thing... by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 02:39:38 PM
Never in my life have I thought of Superman as hot. Now I do. In fact, I like Routh as Superman BETTER than Reeves. Yeah, you heard me.
That's interesting Psynapse... by superhero	Jun 28th, 2006 02:51:01 PM
Since his whole performance was aping Christopher Reeve's throughout the whole movie. What's better? The original or the copy? Hmmmmm...
blasphemy by The Heathen	Jun 28th, 2006 02:58:55 PM
I liked Routh too, more than a lot of people, but no way in hell is he better than Christopher Reeve. He doesn't have the screen presence, but he is good. I think Routh would be HAWT as well, but since I'm straight I'll just say he's 'cool' like I do with Johnny Depp. The movie did, indeed, RAWK too. : ) * I hope Glycon kicks Byrnes' cranky old ass. * And Sleazy, I'll say to you what I've said to anyone who hasa 'definite' opinion about Lost Girls - If you haven't read the work, then how can you pre-judge something so precisely?
Experience counts for a helluva lot, dude.. by Thalya	Jun 28th, 2006 03:02:39 PM
Ok, I may be ONE OF US, but still, 'nuff with the turkey talk. The vast majority of what I read is decompressed current stuff, with the barest sprinkling of pre-COIE material. I'm still working on panel vocabulary for one thing (and if you can find a regular book out now that averages 6 panels a page, please let me know). Ok, I may have some budding instincts about how to do things, but that's just it, they're budding. Because I've got a pull list does not automatically give me access to having a solid understanding of storytelling in the comics medium. That's all. weak shrug *** Maybe one of the other things I'm wondering though is how cornball a sense of humor do I have? Because I have an unconfirmed feeling that a fair number of people around here might go "Oi.." and smack their foreheads if they read the "accountant" line in a book they bought.
Could Screen Presence = Nostalgia? by Shigeru	Jun 28th, 2006 03:04:36 PM
Haven't seen the film, I'm just sayin'. And that's funny Heathen I say the same thing about Depp for the same reasons.
MY porn comic was fantastic by El Vale	Jun 28th, 2006 03:05:40 PM
Sleazy man, i gotta say i disagree with pretty much everything you said :P First of all, i've got a big problem with people who've yet to read the book stating Moore has destroyed or damaged the characters, and perhaps even intentionally so. Really? I mean, portraying a character's sexuality (completely in keeping with the tone and spirit of the character as it was introduced to us) damages it? Listen, there are people who set out to do such things, people who decide they have to draw Snow White getting gang banged by the 7 Dwarves because it's smutty to rape the innocence of the character or whatever, and even then...the character wasn't destroyed. So how does Moore do so while trying to tell a story full of artistic merit? What Moore set out to do (read the interviews, they're quite enlightening), in my mind at least, honors the characters and their history, and then reinterprets them in a way that is completely valid and full of heart. *** I've read the first 70 or so pages of Lost Girls and i found it quite beautiful and textured, but i never found it to be overly cerebral and intellectual. It doesn't intellectualize or rationalize as much as it explores, and the things that are being said are never spoon fed. Doesn't that sound at least mildly appealing? Is there an unwritten law that states all porn and all erotica HAS to be bad? Isn't there any room out there for GOOD porn and GOOD erotica? I know i've read Manara's books and marvelled at how beatiful they look, and wondered how incredible it would be if the story was equally as enthralling, so my question stands: Isn't there room out there for good porn? Or at the very least, isn't there room out there for people who try to accomplish just that?
And if anyone wanted... by Thalya	Jun 28th, 2006 03:06:49 PM
..to get into a discussion on panel vocab and how it's changed in the decompressed era, I'd bow down and Bake Banana Bread!
Thalya by The Heathen	Jun 28th, 2006 03:09:06 PM
you don't read any Bendis books then do you? snickers JK, I had to, Vales back!
Book that averages 6 panels a page by El Vale	Jun 28th, 2006 03:13:34 PM
Fell by Warren Ellis and Ben Templesmith averages 9. "Because I've got a pull list does not automatically give me access to having a solid understanding of storytelling in the comics medium" Damn straight. Go back, read some Eisner, Miller, Moore, Moebius.
I'm afraid we disagree Superhero.... by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 03:14:15 PM
I did not see Routh as 'aping' Reeves, Nor Spacey aping hackman, nor Bosworth aping Kidder. Rather they took the roles (yes, as played by the previous actors I'll give you that) and made them their own. And I like Routh better because he was a much more human Superman than Reeves. Reeves performance never reached the kind of emotional resonance that Routh's did (IMHO-and I haven't forgotten your little dog either).
And finally by El Vale	Jun 28th, 2006 03:16:11 PM
"If anyone wanted to get into a discussion on panel vocab and how it's changed in the decompressed era..." I'm up for it, so...impress me!
But.. by Thalya	Jun 28th, 2006 03:16:46 PM
Is Superman supposed to be human? Or is Clark Kent?
Of course there's room for good porn. by SleazyG.	Jun 28th, 2006 03:23:10 PM
I've, uhhh, got a buddy who, uhhh, showed me some once or something. I just think all animated and comic book porn is garbage for a variety of reasons. First and foremost is that it doesn't involve humans, and I find nothing sexually arousing about cartoons. Second is that, well, they're not actually people, they're drawn pictures. Third is that if I want to watch people to have sex, I want it to be actual people having actual sex, not sketches or CGI. I think you see where I'm going with this. As for erotica--bleh. Just...bleh. It doesn't work as literature, it doesn't work as sex...it just doesn't work. You can take the most critically acclaimed writers on the planet, and while they may be able to write a great sex scene, if they had to write a whole novel of erotica I money-back guarantee it would be pure dreck. I know I run the risk here or alienating somebody who really digs their Transformers slashfic (the first kind I ever encountered online back in '98 or '99), but the truth is if you're into that you need to talk to a therapist. I mean, jeez, go lookit at some cam girls or download some POV videos or something already!
God Dammit! by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 28th, 2006 03:25:07 PM
:activate drug enhaced comic troll mode: NO GODAMMIT! Superman is NOT supposed to be human. He's not supposed to be fragile, he's not supposed to be vulnerable, and he's not supposed to be temptable. He IS suposed to be compassionate, courageous, and yes, even fucking HEROIC. He's supposed to be BETTER than us. That's the escapism. You're not supposed to believe in him, because anyone who you could believe exists isn't good enough to be Superman. It's fantasy it's supposed to be fucking fantastic. The real meaning of the word. GODAMMIT! :deactivate drug enhanced comic troll mode: Did some one say banana bread? I can't hear real well right now, my shoes are on.
BULLSHIT by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 03:33:50 PM
Superman is a GOD, who shares EVERY emotional frailty that humans do. He suffers jealousy just like anyone else. What makes him Superman is that he rises above it. Whatever...form your own opinion as you should. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie from start to finish. If that makes me sycophantic then FUCK YOU.
Didn't say anything about the movie. by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 28th, 2006 03:38:05 PM
I haven't even seen it yet. It may be AWETASTIC. I'm just commenting on my personal view of Big Blue. I understand thatit's not everyone's view, that's why I called myself a "drug enhanced comic troll" for posting it. Just ventin' ;P
Well I have sand in my vagina... by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 03:49:48 PM
And would love nothing better than a session of 'Kick the puppies and infants' to make myself feel better. Hell, I'd mug a priest or senior citizen for kicks if I thought it would douche me sufficiently.
Simply put.... by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 03:51:03 PM
Routh was soulful in a way that Reeves NEVER was. See it for yourself.
hey guy's by The Heathen	Jun 28th, 2006 03:55:51 PM
"Superman is a GOD, who shares EVERY emotional frailty that humans do." Too true, Psy. Like in the original Superman, after Kal-El's first night out as Superman he confides to Jor-El that he got a thrill out of it, that it made him feel good and then Jor-El told him that it was alright, but not to let his vanity get the better of him like the council of Krypton did. And to be clear, I really liked Routh, but nobody can replace Chris Reeve in my book. Same for the Kevin Conroy voiced Batman in the animated series, it's what I think of when I think of the character, who's voice I imagine when reading a comic book with Batman in it. Same goes for Reeves, Superman, it's definitive. *** Vales, 'porn' comic is a very good example of something that's, well, more than porn.
if I thought it would douche me sufficiently.... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 28th, 2006 03:57:41 PM
Nope, you didn't say that. That's the drug fucking with me.
PS- by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 04:03:42 PM
I peed in your drinks.....
thats the kicker isnt it? by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 04:08:53 PM
when does it stop being wank fodder and become something more?as someone(probably dave,too lazy to look) stated in the byrne board porn is a personal thing. one man's transformers slashfic is another mans art. i dont agree with the notion that because it has erotic or sexual elements and happens to not involve real people its automatically garbabage. vales work is a good example of this. i remember when i first read the original script for the porn comic and thought "thats isnt even arousing so much as disturbing,but hes saying something". but forget that, everyone knows vale is my friend so my opinion of his work is going to come accross as biased. what im trying to say is i dont think its fair to the work to generalize it and say 'all porn or erotica that doesnt contain human beings is garbage'. i just dont think thats the case. as for lost girls, ill wait to see what my fellow cogs,@$$es and tbers say before i spend the money on it
no comment by blackthought	Jun 28th, 2006 04:12:21 PM

*spits out moutful of diet coke* by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 04:13:49 PM
is that what that was?
Not only that... by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 04:16:15 PM
But I wouldn't offer ANY of the in-house breads to anyone that you actually like. You don't wanna know what I did there.....
Keep in mind, I don't like all human-based porn either. by SleazyG.	Jun 28th, 2006 04:18:26 PM
But I almost uniformly loathe all erotica that tries to "say" something (e.g. everything Zalman King has ever done). All those softcore "erotic" movies that try to be about a woman's awakening, or exploring herself? The one about how people may be very passionate sexual beings because they like things dangerous, but sometimes it goes to far? The ones about people who either take a chance and lose everything or take a chance and gain everything? BLECH. Shut up and start fuckin' already! Jeebus! If I wanna see an emotional movie about relationships I'll watch that, and if I want an in-depth exploration of the human condition I'll watch that, and if I wanna watch two moderately attractive people 69 I'll watch that, but stop trying to accomplish everything! Just bust out the baby oil and the slip'n'slide already, jeez louise...
NO WAY Psynapse! by superhero	Jun 28th, 2006 04:22:32 PM
Look, I thought Routh did a really, really good job but you can't honestly say that he wasn't trying to channel Reeves? C'mon Psyn! He was completely doing Reeves the whole way through! Sure he added his own little take on Reeves but still...he completely analyzed Reeves performance through and through. Also, gotta disagree with you on the emotional resonance angle. While Routh did a decent job I'm sorry none of his work in this film compared to the interview moments in Superman I or the scene where Superman finds Lois dead on the desert road after the earthquake. THAT'S emotional resonance. Oh, and I like Hackman's Luthor better than Spacey's too. So there! Come and get me you turkeys! :OD
Speaking of Sex Comics... by superhero	Jun 28th, 2006 04:25:10 PM
Cannon God Exaxxion Vol. 5 has bee cencored by Dark Horse! http://tinyurl.com/f4o6x CRAP! What do I do now???? Can I buy it and maintain my integrity??? CRAP! Dilemma, dilemma...
I meant censored dammit! by superhero	Jun 28th, 2006 04:26:25 PM
Damn typos!
emotional resonance by The Heathen	Jun 28th, 2006 04:30:03 PM
"none of his work in this film compared to the interview moments in Superman I or the scene where Superman finds Lois dead on the desert road after the earthquake." As much as I liked Superman Returns, nothing in the movie is quite as good as those scenes. Classic. As for Routh channeling Reeves? Of course he is
good points on da porn... by Shigeru	Jun 28th, 2006 04:31:44 PM
Simply portraying a sex act in a film or comic would cause MANY to immediately classify it as "pornography" but I think that's not the case. Without getting into semantics too much. Requiem for a Dream has Marlon Wayans graphically having sex with a woman. You could get aroused by that, sure. It also has Marlon Wayans graphically having sex with a woman in a fetal position, only to be mirrored later in the movie when his life is in shambles and he breaks down, realizing he only wants the comfort his mother can provide (Back in your corner Freud!). That's pretty deep. So sex does not = porn. That said, I HAAAATE the hollywood pornography industry.
gotta agree with u there sleazy by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 04:32:58 PM

not really a fan of porn by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 04:40:34 PM
its funny but what always got me was the dumb fuck-faces people make. especially the dudes omg! it just takes me out of it to see some buff himbo grunting and thrusting,looking like he has a mild case of downs syndrome. i dont know even the girl on girl stuff has the retarded facial expressions that make me not like it. and before u say it im sure i look like a fucking goon too but only the girl has to see that
Dear Darth: by SleazyG.	Jun 28th, 2006 04:42:26 PM
They have faces? I kid, I kid...
having said all that by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 04:45:50 PM
i have been know to punsih the monkey from time to time...'thats a BAD monkey!'
"OH YEAH!!!" by The Heathen	Jun 28th, 2006 04:47:02 PM
That's the worst phrase in porn
Okay so the 2 most pressing issues of the day are.... by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 04:53:20 PM
Porn and Superman. Wow, that opens up ALL kinds of possibilities. I still disagree, with the channeling comparisons becuase I really feel it disservices the performances of these actors. Singer made a SEQUEL, and as such the actors did the ethical thing and played the characters as they had been previously. If that is aping then we're just arguing semantics. I, for one, am VERY happy to accept the Routh era of Superman. It's his and he deserves it. (Then again, I'm experiencing my first ever crush on Superman which makes me REALLY wonder if Routh is gay because all of my celeb crushes have been gay or rumored gay actors so I may be a tetch biased) and...bukkake bread?!? Aw jeez, that's a bit too fucking EEW for me! Nah, I just hocked loogies all over 'em and then spread it with a butter knife.
Im trying not to by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 04:55:28 PM
talk about SR,just for the sake of keeping myself spoiler free. it sounds like ill enjoy it just based on your reactions and others im reading/hearing. but hey i wont know til friday tho.bags and stomachs? you are going to have to explain that one a little further my friend.
Wow, thanks for the kind words by El Vale	Jun 28th, 2006 04:59:15 PM
I'm flattered, but i gotta say, even tho i like my "porn" comic as a story...as PORN it FAILED MISERABLY. Like Darth said, it was disturbing and disgusting when it needed to be titillating, so it ended up as something entirely different from what it was intended to be. I'm still proud of it, but it's not porn. I still believe you can use porn to convey something, you can write or illustrate an arousing story that still manages to say something about your own sexuality or sexuality in general terms, and no, it doesn't have to be something lame like a woman awakening or whatever.
Regarding erotica.... by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 05:04:41 PM
Check out the Hot Blood series. It's horror erotica and many of the stories DO manage to both titillate and horrify.
Speaking of bodily fluids and baked goods... by SleazyG.	Jun 28th, 2006 05:42:10 PM
...I can't stop myself from snickering whenever I see Otis Spunkmeyer products at convenience stores, for obvious reasons, and always refer to them inappropriately. "Hey, man, do me a favor and grab me one of those Otis Spunkbread chocolate chip muffins while you're in there!"
Ye Gods, we're a sick bunch..... by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 05:55:04 PM
and I wouldn't have it any other way. (*_^)
on an unrelated note by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 06:01:18 PM
my gf just forwarded me a message someone wrote to her at work.here it is for your amusement "Lizette, Perhaps it was not fair that I posited my remarks to you as I did in my communiqu
Oh and regarding Spike and Angel? by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 06:02:02 PM
100 years sucking rat blood until barbie the slayer comes along and an admitted love for 'Mandy' by Manilow is trump emo for sure.
No Darth, people do not talk like that.... by Psynapse	Jun 28th, 2006 06:04:00 PM
Douches do.
Spike is more Emo because he's British by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 28th, 2006 06:23:15 PM
Have you seen that country? Even the weather cries. Sorry, British is Emo Trump.
I talk like that... by SleazyG.	Jun 28th, 2006 06:23:41 PM
...but only when I'm intentionally doing it for comedic intent. It's all about the delivery, and sometimes talking about cow shit and admitting your an asshole in that manner is a good way to get a laugh.
Spike is more emo. Period. by SleazyG.	Jun 28th, 2006 06:26:33 PM
Look, the guy started out writing shitty poems to women who hated him long before he was turned, and he never really stopped. He also has the fatalistic, self-pitying thing nailed to a T and never really gave it up. Even when he's lashing out, fighting, being pissed, seeking revenge, etc. it's all motivated by the whiny, self-centered, "why doesn't anybody love me?" schtick that defines emo. Angel's willingness to take responsibility, to walk away from things he wants for others, to step up to the plate and do the right thing just because it's the right thing--none of those traits are emo. Angel is not, and never was, emo.
i was close! by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 06:32:27 PM
i was trying to translate that to myself and the whole 'lower extremity body parts' hit me like the guy is saying hes a dick!i got the cow thing but i thought he meant bullshit.and somehow i dont think hes doing it as a joke
i asked the girl by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 06:35:31 PM
and she said no that how he normally talks
Thanks Sleazy by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 28th, 2006 06:53:26 PM
That's all I was trying to say, but I didn't, cause I couldn't put those words together. That said, I always liked Spike better cause he was funnier.
so seriously by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 07:01:46 PM
who has Comic Con Plans? i got the friday off so im going to be there friday afternoonish to sunday.
looking through some old TBS by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 07:50:26 PM
since the new column hasnt gone up yet and man some of that stuff is gold! heres an excerpt from the column where the whole 'sex at the xmansion' thing got started from vale:"And Kitty, she gives this vibe like she loves sucking cock. Doesn't show it, you'd think she's all cute and the kind of girl you never do from behind cause you wanna look at her pretty face...and you'll prolly end up all curled up with her in bed telling her she's the pretties thing you ever saw...but no, she loves her some male genitalia you can rest asured. But that's nice innit?" heres the link to the whole thing which in some parts got pretty controversial-http://tinyurl.c om/pdsqd
Spike is funny by The Heathen	Jun 28th, 2006 08:08:35 PM
My wife has a crush on him, and then I tell her he's in his 40's and she goes, "really?!" And man, if that guy really talks like that Darth, wow. Douche is being nice. I thought you were fucking with us at first! And about the bag and stomach thing - she couldn't see your face if she was or had a you know
Wow, that's almost a year ago! Nice. by The Heathen	Jun 28th, 2006 08:14:40 PM
Who said that, Kal-El? I can't remember? And what was controversial? But, I did stumble upon the link to a picture of Jo Chen and I had forgotten how hot she is http://tinyurl.com/7jmcu
stomach+ bag makes sense now by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 08:20:15 PM
sorry im lame! it was our very own vale who gave us that line. and it got controversial because vale called james marsden a homosexual and it turned into a thing for a bit. yeah joan chen is hot! man that was a fun time!and its funny but if u look at the time stamp for the final posts blackthought and gus engaged in a 20 day battle for 'last'. 20 days!!jezus creezus!speaking of which WHERE ARE U GUS???
Jesus i don't even remember writing that! by El Vale	Jun 28th, 2006 08:54:30 PM
It is OLD. Good stuff, tho', i stand by my comments. Remember Gus went all Hulk Hogan on my ass for calling Marsden a homo? It was the choice of words. Fun fun fun times, we've had a blast haven't we guys? Let's keep it rolling.
it has been great times indeed! by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 08:58:28 PM
yeah im with that!lets keep this going!
I'm with you by The Heathen	Jun 28th, 2006 09:42:41 PM
let's keep it going. (this was our total movie moment, you do know that right? Heh. It's probably about a week away from our 1 Year Cogiversary.)
thats why were friggin sweet like that heath! by Darth Kal-El	Jun 28th, 2006 09:55:26 PM
on comic related topics before we get accused of being exclusive-has anyone read Heaven LLC? i picked it up at the LCS dollar bin and its turning out to be pretty funny,although immensely blasphemous. why hadnt i heard about this before i saw it in the 'trades for a dollar' table?
heaven what? by blackthought	Jun 29th, 2006 01:40:38 AM

Heaven knows I'm by The Heathen	Jul 19th, 2006 06:24:15 PM
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