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AICN COMICS REVIEWS CIVIL WAR! FEAR AGENT! INDIE JONES PRESENTS! AND MORE!!

First!! by docfalken	Jun 21st, 2006 09:58:39 PM
Maybe?
cogtacular by Darth Kal-El	Jun 21st, 2006 09:59:06 PM

@$$hole First. by dan grendel	Jun 21st, 2006 10:02:54 PM
Wow, timing?
Fourth! by BayouWilly	Jun 21st, 2006 10:04:02 PM
Comics are neat.
Civil War by BayouWilly	Jun 21st, 2006 10:10:49 PM
I would've liked more reviewers chiming in, as Buzz isn't the strongest guy in the fold. Big ups for JLA Classified and no love for Civil War and Wolverine Origins? Am I the only one that likes modern comics?
and so it begins... by blackthought	Jun 21st, 2006 10:16:00 PM

Bats aren't rodents, they're mammals, nearly primates. by Regicidal_Maniac	Jun 21st, 2006 10:25:06 PM
Civil War rocks, the art, the story, the pacing everything. I usually steer clear of crossovers, and I'm not buying any of the extraneous titles just these seven issues. I like the characterisations, different creators bring different views of these characters to the table. It's up to the fans to reconcile these takes with what we feel we know of the characters. I CAN'T WAIT til DC turns Millar loose on Superman and lets him go wild.
The Spidey issue doesn't earn it... by Ribbons	Jun 21st, 2006 11:13:03 PM
...you might be slightly comforted though, Buzz, to learn that Peter came to his decision to unmask because Aunt May told him to. That's basically all there is to it. She gives a really, really sappy speech about how proud she is of him and how the rest of the world needs to be proud of him too and then he agrees, just like that. Although it doesn't really matter what Aunt May said to Peter, because that issue was written in response to "Civil War" #2. It's not like Millar was waiting for Aunt May's permission to reveal Spider-Man's identity to the rest of the world. That is a problem for me; I think that fans do need to be a little more receptive to writers trying new things with established characters, but Millar doesn't earn it. He always goes for shocks, twists, big reveals, because he's obsessed with the notion of writing a blockbuster movie, rather than a serialized comic book. Tony's just a counterpoint mouthpiece in this series, so the fact that he seems out-of-character is borne more out of necessity than anything else, and I'm actually sort of okay with that, especially since I'm interested in seeing where this story goes. And it goes without saying that the art is gorgeous. Absolutely jaw-dropping. Patriot's escape from the police really has to be seen to be believed.
the only problem with comics... by blackthought	Jun 21st, 2006 11:18:28 PM
really...is the lack of adverts in them...the more the better i say.
Dear Dan (Re: BoogiePop) by Psynapse	Jun 21st, 2006 11:28:34 PM
1)A LOT will be cleared up by volume 2.2) The disjointed style of the manga is cake compared to the anime which actually jumped forward and backward in time several times during an episode. It's also how the novel was written.*3) The seemingly necrophiliac schoolgirl is in fact Manticore who is both the killer and the source of the SLAVE drug that Nagi is beating up people over. Boogiepop is one of the coolest stories ever in my opinion....
Tales of Leonardo: Blind Sight= MUST READ by crackerfarmboy	Jun 21st, 2006 11:33:16 PM
Everyone here should check out the new TMNT mini-series by Mirage. It's called "Tales of Leonardo: Blind Sight". It continues the story from "Tales of the TMNT Vol. 2 #5". It features Leonardo who is depressed about being blinded in a suprise attack (Tales #5). It covers how he attempts to cope with defeat. It's an awesome read so far. #1 of 4 is in stands now. It figures that AICN completely ignores TMNT comics, despite there reputation for awesomeness! I guess Spiderman doesn't get enough attention these days.
Manga by maxwell's hammer	Jun 21st, 2006 11:37:15 PM
Manga is stupid, and is also gay, and is also dumb. And boring.. I really don't know since I've never read any manga, but being uninformed and mean is cool. Hey, I work with a guy who is, in his spare time, a voice-over actor who does voices on DragonBall-Z and Full Metal Alchemist. But I think Manga and Anime are still stupid. More like...Big Eye for the...LAME guy!
i haven't read.... by ImissGnR	Jun 21st, 2006 11:47:26 PM
"Haven't read the ASM issue leading up to the unmasking decision, but I doubt like hell that it contained anything that didn't read like a contrived justification for something made inevitable by an editorial mandate" how about you read them instead of getting the fill-in from talk-backers. im sure your job of reviewing comics for the week is back breaking enough. nice "journalistic" approach. you should forward your reviews with "but i did stay at a holiday inn last night" or like what you wrote.. a wordy lack of background information on what your reviewing excuse...
Big Deal, So everyone winds up working for Shield.... by cookylamoo	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:22:07 AM
Just like theve been doing for the past five years.
Yeah, but... by Ribbons	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:23:00 AM
...the supplemental Civil War issues are really pretty superfluous. And most of them are bad. The only reason I even read the Spider-Man one is because I buy Amazing Spider-Man on a regular basis.
I'm loving Civil War. by dregmobile	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:38:35 AM
You guys already know that. I picked up Marvel Previews this morning and, well ... this may be a SPOILER for some, but it looks like Spider-man is going to turn on Stark ... at least by issue 535 of ASM. It's obvious from the cover. "Spider-man contemplates a move that will mean new friends and new foes". A move that "will cast him as either George Washington or Benedict Arnold". I will lap up most of these tie-in titles for their Civil War run, except for Heroes for Hire which looks like a team run by hookers. Looks totally gross ... fuck that. *** Stupid question ... but will the approaching six-issue Annihilation series be worth getting? I have missed these lead-ups and still want to tag along for the big ride. And I wonder if it will tie in with anything CW or if it's totally separate. *** Flicked through the Manhunter TP. Looks good. Will grab it when I pick up some other TP's shortly. Now to Justice #6 ...
In case anyone's interested.... by Psynapse	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:41:33 AM
Myspace:http://tinyurl.com/qf8 lb** Pimping of the page to follow........
ImissGnR's Comments... by Buzz Maverik	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:55:27 AM
...were edited for the sake of clarity. I think he was saying my review of CIVIL WAR # 2 was right on the mark and that it wouldn't have mattered if I'd read any of the ASM issues leading up to it because they were pulling all the Aunt May stuff out of their asses. I mean, I always got the idea that Aunt May was a little feeble minded. She's, like, Grammy Maverik's age and we don't even let her have the TV remote.
Boogiepop by dan grendel	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:59:25 AM
Hey Psynapse, I kinda wondered if that wasn't the case, but I can only review what I've got, you know? There seemed to be elements of a really cool story there, but it didn't connect together enough to work that way. In the case of a story like that, where it is so complex and intertwined that all the peices need to be there for it to work, I wonder if maybe Seven Seas shouldn't have released both volumes in one larger book instead of seperately like they are. Marketing and business reality may have required them to do it like they did, I dunno, but it really isn't doing the story or the readers any favors.
Civil War is contrived crap by Rupee88	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:05:45 AM
These summer "event" things are always contrived and transparently manipulative. I will confess that I enjoyed "House of M", but mainly because of the pretty artwork. I'm not even going to give Civil War a chance past the first issue. They will probably give Peter Parker back his anonymity in a few years (in another summer event), but I don't really care. I guess I've grown too much to read crappy comics and will stick to the few good comics that are out there, but don't sell that well in most cases.
Criminal by Arkhangelsk	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:33:56 AM
alright, i'm doing some recruiting for my man Ed Brubaker here. seems Bru and Sean Phillips will be collaborating on a new title from Marvel's Icon called Criminal. newsarama has this big post about it. this looks to me, that if Sleepers was Brubakers Hellblazer, Criminal could be his Preacher. so, yeah, shameless plug here, but let's not let what happened to sleeper happen to Criminal. so if you ever liked anything by Brubaker, or like crime stories, you MUST preorder this from your LCS. sorry for the rant, but its for your own good.
why bother with civil war to being with? by blackthought	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:44:10 AM
once issue 7 rolls around wanda is going to erase it all by saying put everything the way it was before house of m blah blah.
Ever seen a drunk turtle? by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:45:36 AM
/hic**So, I goes to my best buds B-Day party 2nite, and whos there but my super-X (that's 2 GFs ago). That's right, some douchenozzle invited her. What? Oh yeah comics....yeah, I got nothing. I need another drink.
Parker has a history of doing stupid shit by Tall_Boy	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:41:11 AM
I do buy the Civil War reveal because his character's origin is based around doing something stupid ("Hey, let that robber go. Not my problem.") and then paying for it. ("Uncle Ben? NOOOOOOOOO!!!") The character is inherently impulsive - he relies on his sense to go through things. Of course, this decision will turn around to bite him in the ass, that's what Peter Parker does. What it'll do for him in the long-term is a few years retcon down the road, sure. But, in the moment, in the issue, and in the history of the character, it works.
Spidey would NEVER unmask by Steve Rogers	Jun 22nd, 2006 03:23:22 AM
The whole rationale for it is BULLSHIT. Despite the self-justifying issue of ASM that just came out, all he is doing is endangering the lives of his lvoed ones, which he would NEVER do! How many thousands of stories have been told making this point??!! And that's what WILL happen - the only major story development possible from this is that MJ or Aunt May get in trouble over it. This latest development is on a par with the WRETCHED 'The Other' crossover, which was a massive pile of honking bollocks and advanced the character not one iota. I'll be interested to see how they try and get the toothpaste back in the tube afterwards, the fucktards. GIVE DAN SLOTT AMAZING SPIDER-MAN ALREADY!!
On Reed Richards.... by MattCG	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:59:03 AM
...I too was wondering when he turned into a facist, bootlicking cocksucker. Seriously, I've been going through back issues and this is all news to me. This Civil War thing I think wasn't prepped right. I haven't seen any indication of any of this shit anywhere in the MU so far and when the fuck was SHIELD the American gestapo? Spidey unmasking is the absolute least of my concerns about this series.
Dan Slott by Ribbons	Jun 22nd, 2006 08:13:44 AM
Eh. The guy's talented, but I'm getting sort of sick of hearing that he writes comics the way they're "supposed to be" written around here. I'm not really sure I'd want him handling ASM because I feel like he'd handle it as a genre exercise; while "Spider-Man/Human Torch" was a fun read and had a little bit of retro camp (don't deny this) appeal, I don't think I'd enjoy reading that style of Spider-Man on a monthly basis. Then again he'd probably be better than JMS anyway, so why not?
Re: Slott by Squashua	Jun 22nd, 2006 08:27:50 AM
It's not that Dan Slott writes comics "the way they're supposed to be written." It's that, at least to me and obviously to many others, he is able to evoke the fun atmosphere of the classic Marvel that I grew up with, before it became dark with Wolverines, Punishers, War Machines and Cables. Slott can create a warm and comforting classic Marvel Team-Up atmosphere. Remember when Aunt May was a herald of Galactus and The Thing had to take care of Franklin but they were in a giant pinball machine? Stuff like that. The other thing that Slott does is that even if he's stretching a storyline across multiple issues, each issue can be read on it's own and is meaty enough to be worth the money I shell out for it.
Civil War #2 by AlgertMopper	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:02:04 AM
Best thing you can do with CW#2? http://tinyurl.com/ehdra
Spidey's unmasking by scudd	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:12:07 AM
This event has really polarized the comic book community moreso than anything I've ever seen in my 16 years of collecting. Personally, though I don't completely agree with it, I'm really interested to see what they can do with it. If nothing else, it means a few fresh stories we haven't seen before and then it gets retconned. Let's wait before we all pass judgement.
Supreme Power HAS to be boring.... by cookylamoo	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:18:56 AM
It's a world without any Super-Villains. You've got the US Government (Bad) you've got certain members of the team (Bad) but mostly it's just super-powered bullies beating up on the normals. Pretty much as it would be in real life.
Nice review from Buzz. by rev_skarekroe	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:32:11 AM
Not a big joke (as Buzz is known to do), balanced (Buzz, unlike many genre geeks, realizes that there are levels between "best ever" and "worst ever"), and well written.
Also, this was a great comic week by rev_skarekroe	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:38:32 AM
I spent something like $37, and it was all on new comics - no trades or back issues. So far I've read Ultimates 2 (I love that Millar is writing what's essentially a Michael Bay style patriotic action piece without resorting to parody), New Avengers (my last issue of that book - the series is just way more bad than good), Astonishing X-Men (pretty good), and most of Giant Size Hulk (I'm now sold on Planet Hulk - I'll be getting the trade as soon as it comes out). Picked up a bunch of other stuff too, but haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
Journalists... by HCEarwicker	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:39:38 AM
...generally like to do a little something called "research." If you'd spent a little time looking up what's been going on in Spider-Man, you may have picked up this quote from Variety's Tom McLean. "Marvel has done a good job of building up to this moment in the pages of The Amazing Spider-Man and The New Avengers, where Spidey has become a prot
I hear that, Rev by Squashua	Jun 22nd, 2006 10:12:46 AM
I bought $40 worth of books yesterday and the new Invincible trade. Got that Hulk issue too because I never read Hulk: The End.
You shouldn't HAVE to read ASM to get Civil War by rev_skarekroe	Jun 22nd, 2006 10:27:11 AM
The tie-ins should just supplement the material in the main title. If ithe tie-in is a neccessity, then the story is secondary to getting you to buy books you wouldn't normally want. And I'm not into that.
Spidey's unmasking the most polarizing event ever? by loodabagel	Jun 22nd, 2006 10:42:10 AM
Wow, there hasn't been one of those since, oh say, Batman using a gun last month. I can't say I approve of it, but what can I do about it? I subscribe to Amazing Spiderman, so I'm just going to have to roll with the punches. Still, I have to admit the last issue of Amazing was just plain stupid. I assumed that since JMS could do a good job of making sense of Spidey's ridiculous new costume, he could probably make a decent effort of explaining his unmasking. But it appears I was wrong. Aunt May, who has been a very well written character under JMS's supervision, seems to have to reverted to her old 1-dimensional wheatcake feeding self. Sure, she can't exactly unlearn Spidey's secret, but could she at least try to maintain some of her dignity instead of sounding like a really bad episode of The West Wing? And to answer her question-Why don't U.S. senators wear masks to work? It's not because they're proud of their job and who they are, it's because they can't! U.S. senators, if they really are worried about their families getting killed, wish they could be Spiderman and have a secret identity. Still, at least Aunt May tried to make sense and the Scarlet Witch or Dr. Strange or some other mystical douchebag wasn't involved in the whole affair...yet. But as a whole, I'm still trying to enjoy the series.
Stark Says "I'm An Alcoholic".... by CaptDanielRoe	Jun 22nd, 2006 10:53:54 AM
...When he unmasks himself in one of the Civil War books. So I don't think "Or has it been decided that Stark was no longer ever a drunk?" is the case. ...The books are okay. My theory is that they are gonna off MJ or Aunt May.
dreg by Thalya	Jun 22nd, 2006 10:57:47 AM
Manhunter..TPB... .... SQUEE Good for you! **** And for those who haven't gotten in on Manhunter, hangs head and sighs. GO GET THE LATEST ISSUE ON THE STANDS, OUT THIS WEEK! YOU'LL THANK ME!
Civil War a smelly pile of shit by Firedrake	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:10:13 AM
It's a real crapfest, succeeding in only making me hate characters I previously enjoyed. And as has been said, you KNOW that 99% of it will get switched back. I'm betting they do something like find out that the whole Nitro thing was a setup to get the registration thing passed and the backlash of that revelation will put things back to "normal", or something like that. After all, we KNOW that they won't keep Cap a criminal for too long. I can't wait for it to be over, so that most of the characters can stop being asshats.
Nick Harris vs Axel Alonso on G4 by Shigeru	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:44:19 AM
Holy SHIT Axel Alonso is a smirking, smug, condescending ass-clown! "We're not here to please the hardcore fans". SHITE!!
Chameleon by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:45:06 AM
The Chameleon has been Peter Parker for a long time now. The Jackal succesfully reproduced the experiment that gave Peter Parker spider powers and used it on the Chameleon. Then they kidnapped the real Peter Parker and Chameleon replaced him, but lost his memory due to a bump on the head and thought he was the REAL Peter Parker. His memory was restored when he was "killed" by Morlun, instead his powers and the spider-powers reacted in a near death state to bring on more mutation, and the traumatic event brought back his memory. So Chameleon has now decided how best to mess with Peter Parker, by unmasking himself. About a year from now Peter parker will escape and fight the Chameleon-Spider, defeating him and revealing the truth, that Peter Parker was the chameleon the whole time, and the real Peter PArker was being held captive. He'll get Prowler to dress up as Spider-man to deliver the "rescued" Peter Parker. None of the "other" stuff will have ever happened to this Peter, but he also never married MJ, that was the Chameleon! And MJ is so mortified by the whole thing she leaves. Aunt May has a heart attack and when she wakes up she is so glad that Peter isn't really "that awful Spider Man from the papers", and every single genie is back in the bottle. I know you are thinking that this is impossible because Spider-man has fought the chameleon recently, right? Hey, I SAID the Jackal was involved, right? Those were Chameleon clones.
The problem, Earwicker... by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:45:24 AM
...is that Tom McLean is flat-out wrong. Just a few days ago I read through the last half-dozen issues of ASM, CIVIL WAR #1 & #2 and FRONTLINE #1. In no way did anybody at Marvel do a good job of building up to anything. It doesn't feel organic and it doesn't fit with the character. They're shoehorning it in because they want to. ASM's recent run literally went like this: Spider-Man is mystically granted a bunch of new powers at the end of a shitty 12-issue crossover full of a bunch of spider-god gobbledygook. Next issue: Spider-Man learns to use a couple of them to pervy affect ("hey, I just stuck a 12 year old girl to my naked back! Cool!". Very next issue: Tony Stark gives Peter a suit of armor which has even more new powers--but which in some ways blocks or overlaps with the mystical bullshit ones Petey just got last month. Next few issues: Peter, ignoring his entire past as a hero, decides to unmask himself because he wants to marry Tony Stark when he grows up. It's forced bullshit. They're warping the characters to tell the story they want. It's stupid because the truth is they could be telling the EXACT SAME STORY but using different characters who are infinitely better suited than Tony and Peter, but they needed the big guns.
Marvel doesn't give a shit by mrfan	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:47:57 AM
All they care about is making a fast buck with this crap. No respect for the fans or the characters. I pulled the plug on the Marvel lifesupport system some time ago.
No matter how ignorant & arrogant Axel Alonso is by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:25:57 PM
You are right, Sleazy. For those who haven't seen how big of a turd Axel Alonso is and how right Sleazy and the rest of the 'hardcore fans' that don't mean shit are, check this out http://tinyurl.com/ghope
In defense of JMS... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:30:32 PM
To say that JMS doesn't understand the character of Spider-Man, I think is unfair. I think his edidiotor is bashing cigars because they get in the way of his smoking crack, but I have evidence that JMS not only get Peter, but also the circle he inhabits. One of the few issues I picked up in my self-imposed comics exile (economic descision not moral) was the issue that Aunt May discovered Pete's deep dark super secret. It just worked. I won't go into specifics because I'm not looking forward to Buzz disecting me, but if you would have told me before that issue that Aunt May was going to discover who SM was, I would have told you the go eat shit, after punching you in the face for even bringing this kind of thing to my attention. JMS made it work, and noone was out of character, noone did something off the wall, hell Aunt May did what any old lady would do. She took a walk and mulled it over. My Aunt/Grandma would have done the same thing, how 'bout yours? My point is, I think JMS GETS it, he just doesn't necasarily LIKE it, so he and his crack-whore fat ass boss are doing everything they can to shit in Spider-Man's (and my) cereal. Oh yes, this is personal. This is a direct attack on me and that's the defense I'll use at the trial.
Buzz, that was an excellent review. by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:40:56 PM
Fair, balanced and correct. I found myself liking a lot of the plot (Cap leading a resistance and rescuing the Young Avengers), loving the art and production values, hating the characterizations of some characters (Spidey, Tony, Reed) and feeling led and forced by the editors at Marvel. Now That's what I call a mixed bag. I feel more has happened in these first two issues of Civil War than in the entire 8 of HoM and for that I'm grateful, but the Spider-Man unmasking just DOESN"T MAKE SENSE!!! SleazyG. said it best, "It feels like the characters are bending to fit the stories, instead of the stories bending to fit the characters." Well said, Sleazy. I really don't think that fans would be as angry if there really was more behind the unmasking, it's just that there
I hope they kill off Aunt May... by rev_skarekroe	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:47:00 PM
...only to later reveal that it was yet another actress that had taken her place! Or better yet, THIS Aunt May is the actress and the one that died revealing that she'd known Peter's secret for years wast he real one.
Engineer, that was genius by Squashua	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:49:25 PM
My real name is Joe Quesadilla; want a job here at Mahrville? :-)
DAMMIT REV! by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:52:02 PM
Don't give those cock-thirsty cum-guzzling gutter-sluts any ideas! Fat Joey Q. is a WHORE for someone else doing his job for him, and that's the GOD-DAMN problem in a nutshell!
Best news this week: by El Vale	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:53:40 PM
Vale's back OMG OMG OMG!
Now for the bad by El Vale	Jun 22nd, 2006 12:56:12 PM
I can't believe Buzz just reviewed a current book and Dave is still MIA, you know? It's like...when the good makes the sad more prominent one tear
OMG OMG OMG! by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:06:12 PM
Vale's back!
Manhunter - Catwoman by Arkhangelsk	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:16:25 PM
hey T., i bought issue 22 of Manhunter last week. okay, it was definitely better than issue #1, and it's not a total crapfest. but it just doesn't do it for me. it feels a little contrived. so, like i said before, if you like Manhunter, i'd strongly recommend you pick up the first issues of Catwoman, the relaunch helmed by Brubaker. i'm sure you'd love it.
Manhunter was great this week. by Squashua	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:30:19 PM
Special Guest Parent: Not Superman.
I thoght that Aunt May discovering Pete's Identity... by superhero	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:32:12 PM
Was VERY well done and I had hope in the beginning of the run for J. Michael...but then...but then...The league of Spider-Totem men and slutty Gwen Stacy sleeping with the Green Goblin...oh, for shame...I told my wife about the whole Gwen Stacy debacle because we were talking about the Spidey unmasking thing and she was also trying to talk me out of burning all of my Superman comics, figures, etc. after I see SUPERMAN RETURNS next week...and my wife said, about the whole Gwen thing, I kid you not...she said..."Wow, sound like THAT guy (J. Michael) doesn't understand women AT ALL!" Meaning a virtuous, upstanding woman wouldn't sleep with a slimeball because he was feling mopey. As a matter of fact she said that she doubted ANY woman would just sleep with a guy out of pity...except for my wife...she married me out of pity :O)...I love my wife! She gets Spidey characters more than J. Michael and she doesn't even READ comic books!
So lemme get this straight.... by Psynapse	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:36:31 PM
Peter Parker has decided to endanger anyone and everyone who has ever known him because Aunt May, Tony (I'm not as think you drunk I yam Ossifer) Stark and the goddamn U.S. Government told him it was the 'right' thing to do?? Ho-kaaaay.....(and we're the dumbasses for disagreeing with this?!?)
I like what Bru did with Bucky by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:52:23 PM
His Cap and Daredevil are consistently awesome. His Books of Doom mini was great too. Great ending.
If wanda does that... by Shigeru	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:54:00 PM
sure sounds like a Marvel-style 'Crisis' to me... which reminds me yet again of G4 and Axel Alonso whining like a little girl "We're Marvel, NOT DC!"
Wanda by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:54:50 PM
I saw a great photoshop of the ending to House of M where Wanda said "No more crossovers!" Then it goes to a panel of Peter Parker getting dressed talking to MJ. He says something like "I'm going to check out the Avengers tower and see if I can't find Captain America." MJ just looks at him and says "Who's Captain America?"
Doesn't this follow... by Thalya	Jun 22nd, 2006 01:56:23 PM
...along the theory that DC was doing all this crazy stuff to their characters deliberately over the past few years only to have it all undone in Crisis? Didn't really happen there, but could Marvel be trying to actually go through with it as it seems that's the only way around the stupid stuff they've been doing for at least a decade or two?
Bat's aren't Rodents Doctor Meridian by BojacRedleif	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:01:48 PM

Nope, Thalya because Axel said, "We're Marvel, NOT DC!" by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:08:50 PM
whine
Axel Alonso didn't come off as a prick in that clip... by Mr. Anderson	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:16:13 PM
he's just fed up with dealing with fans who can never be pleased with anything, ever. That aspect of fandom has always mystifed me, and I can only imagine how it must feel to the people who tell these stories. And as for Marvel disrespecting their characters by taking them in new directions, I'm sorry but that's bullshit. It's more disrespectful to never change anything about a classic character and hope that fans stay interested with the same old motivations. I for one am glad Marvel has the balls to take characters like Reed Richards and Tony Stark and portray them in a light that will piss off the more stubborn fans. Of course they'll go back to normal eventually (this is the comics industry, after all), but why the hell shouldn't Marvel be allowed to give their more open-minded fans something to enjoy in the meantime?
2 1/2 minute scene from Superman Returns by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:17:22 PM
Gotta have iTunes though http://tinyurl.com/e7krd I dug it. Can't wait for Tuesday @ 10.
civil war: spider-man retarded by blackthought	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:20:28 PM
get it now...with more ads...and no care for them hardcore "fan" fans who are keeping this comic biz afloat...welcome to marvel.
Heathen, I'm sure Axel only means.. by Thalya	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:23:49 PM
That because Marvel isn't DC, they aren't the guys with original ideas, hence all the copying they do, only in this case DC swerved at the last minute and left Marvel charging ahead into a brick wall.
Do they really think..... by Psynapse	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:29:59 PM
This stunt is going to increase the number of long term customers in some fashion?? Fuckin' motards....
Bug, I've got to ask concerning your Origins review... by Childe Roland	Jun 22nd, 2006 02:55:23 PM
...when did you start reading Wolverine as a character? Because, although I haven't picked up a comic in a few years, the Wolverine you describe in this prequel series sounds exactly like the kind of guy he was sold as when introduced in Giant Sized X-Men #1. He was essentially a government sanctioned killer and borderline psychotic. And that was based on the stuff he could remember at that time. If he's uncovering new old memories of stuff that was so horrible that either he or someone else blocked it from his mind, I think the despicable acts you described would be very much in character. If anything, it sounds like they're bringing him back to his roots as opposed to a lot of the inconsistencies you pointed out in the characters being used in Civil War.
Please Help Me Here. by BilboRing	Jun 22nd, 2006 03:05:54 PM
I just bought Civil War 1 & 2 AND the last 3 Amazing Spider-Man issues. I last read a comic during the SCARLET SPIDER turd. That is when I stopped reading. But my interest is back on the web head and I was wondering..... When was Aunt May resurected? I have the issue when she croaks! Also, what happened to Peter that he owes Tony Stark much respect for being there for Peter and MJ? A little light on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
As follows... by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 22nd, 2006 03:08:34 PM
The May that died was an actress that impersonated her for a couple of years while the real May was kidnapped. Over the past couple of years for Parker, his house was destroyed and he had nowhere to go. Tony Stark put him and his family up in Avengers tower and gave him another job as a science assistant and has been all around very helpful to him.
NOTHING is "out of character" anymore... by mbeemer	Jun 22nd, 2006 03:17:18 PM
All they have to do is say, "When the Scarlet Witch 'put everything back the way it was' at the end of 'House of M', she didn't do it right." That answers EVERYTHING. (Of course, it's a cop-out, but it answers EVERYTHING...)
Mr Anderson by Shigeru	Jun 22nd, 2006 03:37:07 PM
While I agree that there are definitely psychotic fans out there that overreact and whine and bitch and complain and are never happy, I think it's a small minority. My time at this board and other comics boards has shown that 95% of us are fairly level headed smart readers. I dislike the Spider-Man decision. I also LOVE no less than 4 books Marvel is publishing. Yes it is possible. I just get a very negative vibe from JoeyQ (and now Axel) about comic fans and specifically ones that post on the internet. They say repeatedly that the internet comic community is only a couple hundred very loud whiners and is inconsequential when countered with what REALLY matters: SALES. (Look up the quotes, its true) I don't know, but to me that sounds like an asshole point of view.
Engineer_at_peac by BilboRing	Jun 22nd, 2006 03:59:18 PM
Thanks for the update. Shit. Can't they keep anyone dead?? Is Vulture and Kraven at least still dead?? It takes away from some very good issues when they bring back the dead. Shit. I remember reading where they brought back Gwen Stacy, Peter's parents, Norman Osborn, etc. Please tell me they were all clones or some crap like that? That clone saga just killed it for me. Pure shit in every sense of the word. That was the shit of all shit. Hey, Dark Horse's Conan looks pretty cool. How is that? Any information? I have some very old Savage Sword of Conan magazine/comics. Those were my favorites. The women in them gave be a chubby when I was little.
conan...very very good... by blackthought	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:04:26 PM
busiek is a very able writer to say the least...the last issue with eric powell on the art kicked major ass...since i don't have an ass it kicked me somewhere else...it hurt.
Vulture's alive by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:16:49 PM
I never remember him dieing, actually.
What's the deal with Bart? by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:18:20 PM
So, is the entire speedforce inside of him now, and if he taps it it has a danger of killing him? That's what it seemed like to me, though I couldn't really tell. I mean, it looked like he tried to use speed force but didn't even make it a foot before it backlashed, but the layout on that scene was confusing.
"We're not DC Comics!" by Psynapse	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:25:44 PM
And Thank God for that....
Company crossovers just step on individual books plot f by Jinxo	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:29:20 PM
First off, I don't think you can hang the Spider-Man unmasking thing on JMS. I'm sure that was a decision from on high and that he was basically told to make it work. Given that, I think he did an okay job. Not saying I think Spidey would have really unmasked but I think JMS did make it as logical as he could. Peter is no longer alone trying to make all the life or death decisions for everyone. He has family who know the truth and so actually can have a say on accepting the risk or not. And the alternative is abandoning that family and going on the run. But him reaching that decision? Rushed. The setup for this whole event? Rushed. And I think these events are stepping on the normal flow the vaious books would take. JMS did setup a lot of stuff that now seems set aside for the big event. Same as when Spidey joined The Avengers. Buh bye "Peter is a teacher" plot. Backing up, I think rushing things out without enough setup is the biggest flaw in Marvel I'd even say that about the whole Gwen Stacey/Norman Osborne crap. I think that could have potentially been selalble to fans except for how it was done. You want me to believe Gwen was seduced by Norman and had his kid? I need to see it spelled out carefully and logically. But JMS didn't do it that way. He built it up as a mystery with the big reveal being fans being punched in the face without warning with the fact that Gwen slept with Norman Osborn. Then he tried to back up and explain things. Only once you're punched in the face, angry and annoyed you don't want to hear any explanation. And on top of that even then he didn't fully explain and sell how it happened. He needed to do that and he needed to do it without first alienating the fans.
Please make with the spoiler warnings! by Thalya	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:33:55 PM
Some of us won't be getting comics til tomorrow or even later! (at least where DC is concerned. Marvel? Who gives a flying..)
Shigeru by Mr. Anderson	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:42:59 PM
I don't blame Joe Quesada or Axel Alonso at all for being a bit frustrated with some of their "fans". Their job is come up with ideas that will make for interesting stories AND sell comics at the same time. And the fact that all the CIVIL WAR books are selling out tells me that they're doing their jobs extremely well. I think Marvel comics are more interesting now than they've been in years, and that's mostly due to the changing motivations of the major characters. I don't care that the concept of superhero registration was used before in WATCHMEN and THE INCREDIBLES. It makes for interesting stories, and to me that's way more important than making sure Spider-Man keeps acting the way he has been for 40 years.
So when are things fair game? by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 22nd, 2006 04:51:35 PM
Just curious. Now for more Flash spoilers. SPOILERSPOILER SPOILERSPOILER SPOILERSPOILER SPOILERSPOILER SPOILERSPOILER SPOILERSPOILER Griffen. It's downplayed and not really emphasized in the art, but he is bathed in chemicals and struck by lightning in the last few panels. Kind of an asshole, irresponsible, disrespectful guy, always living too fast. Do we have our new reverse Flash? END SPOILEREND SPOILEREND SPOILEREND SPOILER END SPOILEREND SPOILEREND SPOILEREND SPOILEREND SPOILEREND SPOILER
even if it is thrusday by Darth Kal-El	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:02:37 PM
some of us dont get to the lcs til the weeekend so imo for those that hit the store on wednesday(lucky!) spoiler warnings should always be in place but anything is fair game at anytime. just a commmon courtesy to others not too much to ask
Buzz Thanks You All! by Buzz Maverik	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:03:15 PM
Thanks for the support, Rev, Heathen and many others. Arckwicker, didja have to be so impressed with your post that you e-mailed me? I would have read it here. To the other guy who e-mailed me and said that if he "wanted vituperative, knee-jerk reactions based on preconceived notions of these characters, I can just talk to the people at my own LCS": why not? Their opinion is just as valid as anything yer gonna read, bunkie, as is your own. What you want is for me to tell you what you've read and repeat your own opinon back to you. Guys, I don't need to read one comic to give an opinion on another. I've read about a billion six comics, so the last few issues aren't going to make a shit of difference. Of course JMS made MJ and Aunt May support Peter's decision. He was paid to do that and they are fictional characters. He could make 'em have sex with each other if he wanted and Marvel would allow it. Let's pretend you have a girlfriend, as you often do. Forget yer perversions for a sec. Let's say you love this woman, maybe...I dunno...because she's the only one who'll have anything to do with you for free. Turns out she has a secret identity and if anyone knows about it, she'll be killed, exploited, her life will be a living hell. Also pretend we don't live on AMERICAN IDOL where everyone wants to be famous. Pretend that this pretend girl of yours is someone who just wants to live her life but has to do the other thing for personal reasons. Why would you want her to do the stupid thing when she could just slip away? I'm not up on Spider-Man, but he's been accused of a lot of illegal activity throughout the years. He could be facing jail time, as well. It was a bad idea. A stunt in place of good storytelling and characterization. Remember, these are not Millar or Quesada or JMS's original characters. This is writing for hire. It'd be interesting if Charlie Brown shot up BLAH-BLAH-BLAH Elementary, got splattered with blood and wiped himself of with Linus' blanket, but it'd only work as a spoof...El, I reviewed CIVIL WAR # 2 because I was gonna be the @$$ on G4 but I had another committment, so Sleazy was cool enough to do it and did a much better job than I could have. It was originally me and Bug debating Quesada and Millar. I had a secret plan to both win the debate and become Quesada and Millar's best friend and go to work for Marvel. I don't think Alonso has friends, so that wouldn't have worked with him...Read ASM. Shit, bay-bee, I was reading JUNGIAN SYMBOLISM and THE GOLDEN BOUGH.
The one single reason Peter would never reveal himself: by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:16:10 PM
He just put every single person within a mile of him at any given moment in danger. Look, I don't give a fuck if MJ and Aunt May said it was okay--PETER WOULD NEVER DO THIS. That whole "with great power" thing he's always spouting? THAT'S WHY THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN. Heavy is the head that wears Spider-Man's mask, dude. Peter Parker's current day job? SCHOOL TEACHER. So now they're already telling us he has to go everywhere with armed guards. Really? Cuz that's REALLY GODDAMNED STUPID. What kinda fucktard reveals his identity and then hangs out at a school? Come to think of it, now that everybody's on his ass, can Peter walk to the corner store to but some milk? Nope. Can Aunt May tend to a garden? Nope. Can MJ ever take another modeling gig? Nope. None of them can leave that fucking New Avengers Condos piece of shit they're stupidly living in without a target painted on their foreheads. So all they can do now is stay in the tower--which is an even bigger target. I'm suddenly supposed to believe that a guy who is still tortured by the decision that got Uncle Ben killed would then make a decision that puts his wife, aunt, and anybody dumb enough to, y'know, walk down the street in Manhattan at risk? How the FUCK does that equal somebody being "mature" and "taking responsibility"? The mature, responsible thing to do would be to NEVER, EVER, EVER publically release his true identity. EVER. When JQ and Alonso talk about how Marvel comics are more realistic, it makes me want to shit. You want realistic? Here's realistic: Peter walks out the door of that fucking tower so he can go teach children. Peter takes three steps. Peter fucking DIES, big and hard and messy, because that's what would really happen if we wanted to be "realistic". Because the minute he passes that plain white van full of explosives, a bad guy three blocks away with a sniper scope hits the button to trigger the explosives and that's that. So cut the bullshit about "realistic" Spider-Man comics. Realism in superhero comics comes from ONE PLACE, and ONLY ONE: writing characters that feel like real people and remain true to themselves. PERIOD. Not from overblow event comics where you make the characters say and do whatever stupid, poorly considered and executed idea you toss out at your incestuous little closed-door retreats. Try not having a bunch of yes-men there next time and get somebody with the balls to tell you when an idea's crap and maybe it'll work out better.
Dear Tony Stark: by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:20:11 PM
It's called Alcoholics ANONYMOUS, you fuckin' asshole. Thanks for blowing the cover of anybody who ever happens to be at a meeting you attend, not to mention putting a bunch of recovering addicts' lives in the line of fire if you're attacked by The Mandarin or Kang or whateverthefuck. Jagoff. Yours truly, Anybody Who Knows What The Dictionary Definition of Anonymous Is.
Well said Sleazy well said..... by Psynapse	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:31:46 PM
The EIC before JoeyQ was Bill Jemas who was also an arrogant blowhard who openly scorned and mocked the 'long time' fans and look where it got him. (Jemas is also the assmunch who INSISTED that Norman be the mastermind behind the Clone shit. He's the Sooper Geenyus who coined the title 'Maximum Clonage' too.)
That was awesome Sleazy... by superhero	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:34:29 PM
Just awesome... :O)
Heh--thanks guys. by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 05:48:59 PM
Preciate it.
well said... by blackthought	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:02:58 PM
should make that a self-help pamphlet for them marvel boys. i don't care how risky you believe peter to be sometimes but the fact is the peter is fuggin' retarded...this is retarded...spider-man retarded is just well...retarded! if i want to read retarded comics i would read house of m. when will wanda retcon this?
Peter's NOT retarded...... by Psynapse	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:09:57 PM
Now JoeyQ? One has to wonder....
I think by Darth Kal-El	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:14:52 PM
its time for Peter RASPUTIN to reveal himself. "Is big da?"
"Nyet! Is my Kitty-kat!!!" by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:17:35 PM

Engineer_at_peac, chill my man! by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:21:53 PM
No need for overkill, it's just that not all of us can get to our shops 'the day of' buddy. Sucks though, I was trying keep that one for myself to discover. "Oh yeah, well the SPOILER store called and there all out of you!" Ha, ha!
I used to work in a comics shop- by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:28:32 PM
and believe it or not, Joe Quesada and Axel Alonso are right. Even the nerdiest of dorks rarely talked of posting online about comics. And as much as people bitch and complain, events trigger sales. Sales equal good. These characters all go back to the same way they were before, so I don't really understand why people get so upset. If it were up to me, there wouldn't even be a Spider-Man to act "out of character" because he's been around for forty fuckin' years already. Jesus, people aren't still watching I Love Lucy and Gilligan's Island. It's a fucking miracle they can think of anything new for him to do anyways.
Thalya? Who gives a flying... by MrBoinfoint	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:33:19 PM
But cerealously, Sleazy, that would never happen becuase the moment Peter exits the door his spider sense would go off. All your other points are valid, however.
re: Mr. Anderson and Marvel by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:36:24 PM
It's not exactly as cut and dry as you put it. Joe Q and Axel Alonso are supposed to come up with new ideas and engaging stories. They're also supposed to provide a good product and be respectful of their fans. You know, the people that keep them in business. Let me ask you this, when you go out to eat and you unfortunately have bad service and you complain, does the manager of the restaurant tell you that you should shut up and be thankful you get anything because your opinion doesn't matter? Hell no. Why? It's bad service and you would probably never eat there again. But, if the manager had said that they were sorry and offered to listen to what they could do better and made you feel that your suggestion (as insignificant as it may or may not be) was worth their concern, then you'd probably go out of your way to eat there in the future. It's good business sense. It's good public relations. Marvel has bluntly said, "fuck you, you basement dwelling nerd who has done nothing but buy these ridiculous funny books, you don't count, you never will, but people who don't give a shit about our characters or books - they matter
but seriously by Darth Kal-El	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:36:51 PM
very well put sleazy. i still havent seen the clip but im looking forward to it when i get home.
SleazyG by Ribbons	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:47:03 PM
That was awesome.
Bayou, just because a characters been around by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:48:45 PM
for over 40 years, doesn't mean that they have had to be everything. "He's white. He's black. He's not a he, he's a she and a lesbian!" It's called being creative and using what you've got to make something special. What's the point if all of this is for shock factor? The Walking Dead is a perfect example. When people get screwed up, when things happen, you go, "oh shit, that did not just happen." because you no it's not going to have been a dream. I'm not saying Marvel has to be as gritty as Walking Deaad, but c'mon, they've got to try a little harder. And it's not that they couldn't have done what they've done with Spider-Man, but it's been year after year of totem poles, Gwen Stacy revelations, The Other and now this. Look no further than Ed Brubakers, Captain America run for way's to have 'shocking events' occur, but handle it respectfully. Also, sales don't always mean good. A long lasting projection does. Or do i need to remind you of hologram and foil variant covers that helped nearly kill comics in gerneral?
Crack Sells Well, Too. by Buzz Maverik	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:59:09 PM
Comics are a casual hobby to a way of life at best. They are an addiction at worst. This stuff is selling because it is hyped, the Marvel Universe we love is altered, and in some cases there's a curiousity factor. Also, as I said in my review but will clarify here: CIVIL WAR is very well done, but the characters and the universe as concepts are bigger than this story, bigger than Millar, Quesada, Alonso Axel, whomever. I don't really believe Grant Morrison's Living Comic Universe BS (and I'm sure that Mr. Morrison doesn't either) but the idea applies here. Okay, they're writing off the longtime fan who shells out a ton of money? So greed is not the factor. It's ego. The short time fan is younger, addicted to comics, and will one day soon read, see, learn and experience enough to discern that not all comics are good, and that some can even be wonderfully done, but amount to no more than exercises. The short timers stroke the "creator" ego (although Stan, Jack and Steve are the guys who primarily created this stuff. These other guys just got paid to use what's already been created). The short timers fill up the talent's messageboards, who think the talent is their friend, who repeat Marvel's sound bites as if it were their own thoughts. The long time fans will challenge these guys, force them to do better. This is easy storytelling, guys. Most of us could go, "What's the most unexpected and shocking thing we could do?" Hard storytelling is being fresh and original with aging icons. You'll hear the brilliant term "the illusion of change". The people that can pull this off are the true talents. Spider-Man is still around because the character is both an icon and an archetype. He's the beautiful loser with secret greatness, burdened by his failure of a Father figure, determined to save a Mother figure. Hell, he's Oedipus because he sort of killed the father figure with his own arrogance (although I don't think even Uncle Ben wanted to pooch Aunt May). This is big, big stuff. This is the Collective Unconscious. This is in the mind that we all share. To get all Alan Moore, this is all of us. But on a more human level, of course it will all be changed back. However, this change will create an even more twisted, unrealistic continuity, dooming all of this to be dumb kid stuff after all, so I guess these clowns are the CREATORS they keep being called. You want realism, you want a real character with incredible potential to change: how about a shy, smart kid who gets a super-power, acts like a jerk and causes a family tragedy. Drenched in guilt, he uses his powers to help people but can't help himself or the people he cares about. He struggles economically, romantically, even the one thing he excelled at, school, is now hard for him. Maybe he grows up, marries, has a child. How do you have a relationship when your wife knows that one day you won't come back because some guy in an animal suit or dressed like lightning finally got the drop on you? Hell, how do you go out an stop a maniac from leveling the city when you can't get child care? How many of you live in a superhero fortress? Let's not count those of you who just think you do. Is Spider-Man a guy that normal people, or people who aspire to be normal (there's hope for most of you yet) can still relate to?
I agree on some points, Heathen- by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 06:59:57 PM
It sounds like you and I have some traits in common, however, I, too, am tired of the seeming never-ending whining (not pointing at anyone here, just online in general) of fans without seeing what the end result will be. I'm twenty-four, and a comic fan for roughly fourteen years. I worked in a comic shop for six. Now I understand there's some readers here probably old enough to be my pops on here, but I like to think my opinion is as valid as anyone. I like anything different, something to shake it up. I think people think too hard on these things, particularly old, established characters. I think it's mighty brave of Marvel to, frankly, do anything with a character who, under DC, would be seen as nothing but a stock bonus in the Time-Warner/AOL/Heaven global company. I haven't read issue three of Civil War yet, let alone issue seven, or issue 547 one year down the road of ASM, so let's let the writers do their jobs, I say. If you don't like it, hey, don't buy it. They'll catch on pretty quick. Thanks for your intelligent response, Heathen. It's nice to meet people on here with more common sense than the great unwashed that sometimes overfill this site like rats in a landfill.
the great unwashed from the rest of aicn by Darth Kal-El	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:06:40 PM
have no place in this baord. its great that we can all discuss comics or whatever without acting like people in the other boards here. and buzz those are all damn good points as well. i wish it had been u on the g4 thing man. i really want to put a face with the name
Petey married a supermodel by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:08:22 PM
That's not entirely realistic. Aunt May is still kicking around after being around since the '20s (Uncle Ben was a WWII vet, right?). There are always going to be controversial changes in comics. Fifteen years ago, had the internet existed, I think fans would be outraged that the "definitive" Flash was killed off in a meaningless (to be sure) crossover and replaced with his pussyhound nephew. And if you go back even farther, you'll find the ancient internet in an uproar after a veteran of the last great war is replaced by some stuffshirt knowitall police scientist in a "crappy" costume (where's his helmet? with the wings! he's supposed to be based on Mercury, you know! lousy Infantino). It just seems there's so much negativity, I don't blame the creators for losing their cool. I don't work in an enviroment where my every intention (past, present, and future) are second-guessed by a many and varied people from intelligent people with doctorates to mouth-breathing losers who will die alone. Let's all loosen our sphincters and enjoy the ride. If the ride ain't fun, get off and onto something else... like Ultimate Spider-Man!
God by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:09:59 PM
I wish this thing had a proofreader. Have they redesigned this site yet? Much props to regular posters than can sound halfway intelligent... you've got a halfway leg up on me, apparently!
Likewise, Bayou. by The Heathen	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:15:08 PM
Thanks for yours too! Well, I'm off for the night. Be back tomorrow. Later Cogs, @$$holes and fellow talkbackers.
later heath by Darth Kal-El	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:15:36 PM
have a good one!
Darth Kal-el, et al by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:18:48 PM
Your face attached to a name comment intrigued me... anybody on here on myspace or facebook or any such sites? And did anybody read the latest 100 Bullets and could tell me what happened? I missed it.
Actually, they're wrong, BayouWilly. by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:19:29 PM
Lots of people post online but don't talk about it. Shit, nobody at my LCS or Bug's even knows we write this danged thing. Why? Cuz we don't know how it will be received, and we'd like to keep parts of our personal lives private. I'd also like to point to the massively declining sales over the last 15 years in comics. I have yet to see anybody successfully pull in new readers, and alienating the old ones isn't gonna help. If they want new readers, there's a simple, smart way to do it: fun, exciting comics like SPIDER-MAN, BATMAN and FANTASTIC FOUR. Then you take those comics, right, and you include a version of the character who is COMPLETELY RECOGNIZABLE to moviegoers, COMPLETELY CHILD FRIENDLY, and EASILY ACCESSIBLE. DC dropped that ball like it was made outta burning shit by having ALL-STAR BATSHIT AND ROBBIN' THE READERS come out at the same time as BATMAN RETURNS, and Marvel is doing the same with all the cockamamied shit they've put Spider-Man through over the last two years. It's hard enough for comics to compete with video games and cable TV for a kid's attention. What happens when the kid's parents won't let him read the book due to inappropriate content or when he picks up SPIDER-MAN only to find a bunch of steaming mystical horseshit thanks to JMS and Morlun? Do you think a kid is gonna stick around for long? No? And if not, where the FUCK does this new fucking crop of readers come from? If you have the most popular, reckognizable pop culture icons of the last half decade starring in blockbuster, record-setting movies and CAN'T SELL THE FUCKING COMICS, you're FUCKING BLOWING IT. It's that simple. Do you see a Spider-Man video game with spider god avatars, topless Spider-Man and metal suits? FUCK NO. Because that's not what Spider-Man is, and even a goddamned 12 year old knows that. There are a certain small handful of characters which are so perfectly created, so well balanced, so universally loved that you'd have to be an absolute shithead to fuck them up. Yet we end up with Pink and Blue Electric Superman, and we end up with Spider-Clone/Gwen's a whore/Spider-totem with a female Other/Iron Spider/Civil War. WHAT THE FUCK?
Parker's reveal is a good thing by Immortal_Fish	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:22:33 PM
It is a logical progression of the 616 character. He is married now. No longer a teen. Perhaps he is willing to embrace the challenges others several years his senior are unwilling to face. This is what separates this young man from the many villians he faces that are several years older. This is a Goocd Thing. If you don;t like this, you still have Ultimate SM 100 until Wanda weaves her reboot.
I dunno, Mr. Boinfoint. by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:23:10 PM
I mean, spidey sense doesn't have limitless range. He may be able to sense something falling towards him, or people sneaking up on him, granted. But do you really think he can sense a guy three blocks away pushing a button? Cuz that means his senses are more finely attuned than Matt Murdock's, which I find unlikely since it's never been mentioned before. Smart money says a quick, strategic strike would take him out. But this whole conversation just illustrates my point: there comes a time where "real world" and "superheroes" can no longer keep company, for very, very obvious reasons. That's why I'm saying the only "realism" comes from the portrayal of the actions, behaviors and emotions of the characters--which are all woefully off-base in the Spider-books right now.
And don't even get me started... by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:24:17 PM
...on the idiocy of launching a title called FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD SPIDER-MAN and then not making it all ages to hook the young'uns. Jackasses.
Wow., SleazyG musta caught the clap by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:34:17 PM
That stuff gets around. Kids, wrap that shit up. But seriously, I really doubt there is a significant amount of fans online. I don't know if there's a way or site to verify this or not. I only knew of one other dude that posted online, and he posted on John Byrne's forums, God knows why. He was a black guy, and when Byrne said something about calling Batman "Bats" and Superman "Supes" is akin to calling a black man a n-word, I would've tracked him down just to slap the Canadian shit out of him. But that's just me. I agree that Marvel and DC need all-ages titles to gain writers, completely. I think USM is a fine all-ages title. I don't think DC has an equivalent, which is surprising as they are seen as, right or wrong, the fan-friendly company. It is ironically for the older readers who have read Spider-Man fight Venom and Green Goblin for two decades that I think they are doing this. Yeah, the totems and Gwen Stacy were kind of fucked up... and you know what I did? I ignored it, and read when I wanted to. And I'm much more stress-free and longer lasting in the sack because of it.
Gain readers, not writers by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:35:35 PM
Jebus tap-dancing Christopher Reeves, I would kill for a spellcheck or something...honestly.
DC's kid-friendly stuff: by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:39:42 PM
They've got a long string of titles, actually. Granted, though? Not so much the mainstream 'verse. But at least ALL-STAR SUPERMAN is totally classic, totally fun, totally all-ages. Any kid could walk in, pick that up, and be fine. That's why I'm saying they completely blew it with ASBAR.
Didn't think of ASS by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:49:03 PM
Ironic that the initials of that are totally vulgar. But their kid-friendly toon stuff? Ugh. About as crappy as the Marvel Adventures line. Who says kids like cruddy anime art and bad out-of-proportion regular art, in which it makes Todd Nauck look like Alex Ross? Come on, guys... for once, think of the children!
so civil war... by blackthought	Jun 22nd, 2006 07:54:09 PM
ends with aunt may getting raped right? these are just things i hear...it wouldn't shock me if they wrote it in though. at least fables kicked ass this week, there's always them good reliable books out there.
re: The Heathen and Marvel's restaurant. by Mr. Anderson	Jun 22nd, 2006 08:00:18 PM
If Marvel apologized and changed their stories every time a fan complained, they'd never finish a single storyline. The very nature of this sort of industry makes it impossible to please everyone, or to apologize to the customers who don't like the product. George Lucas doesn't have to apologize to the fans who don't like his recent movies, so why should Joe Quesada apologize to fans who don't like this current storyline? That might seem like a nice idea if he were managing a restaurant where customers should expect to have their requests met, but that's not how this kind of industry works. You're never going to please everyone, so the best you can hope for is that most people will still like what you're doing. And looking at Marvel's recent sales numbers, it seems pretty obvious that the extremely vocal internet fans are in the minority.
So when does Peter become incontinent? by superhero	Jun 22nd, 2006 08:04:59 PM
Because, see, at some point that's a logical progesion of age for some people, right? That logical progression crap is so ridiculous! Parker stopped aging in what, 1978, for all intents and purposes! Stop acting like his unmasking himself has ANYTHING to do with "logical progression of character" when it's completely OUT of character to begin with! I'm not saying characters shouldn't develop but if you're telling me that Peter unmasks himself because he's no longer a teenager and that's your big reasoning...well, I'm sorry, but that's just lame. So in 30 years will the 616 Spider-Man be having a mid-life crisis and driving a Spider-Porche? C'mon! Oh, and I've gone back and read those Spider-Man issues (I borrowed 'em) where Tony and Peter become all chummy and ,yes, that is some LOUSY writing. Talk about forced. Peter just decides to trust Tony stark because he gave him a job? By that reasoning then he would've given up being Spider-Man when J. Jonah Jameson started trashing Spidey in the press! Look, I'm not saying that characters shouldn't change and develop but the CORE of what makes a character great should remain consistent no matter what! End of story! Oh, and anyone at Marvel who uses Stan the Man to justify anyone these days is on crack! I seem to remember Stan being SO into a couple of FF and Captain America movies that were released in the '90's...that is, until everyone else saw them. Stan is a shill for Marvel...always was and always will be. If you think his actual opinion is objective on anything concerning Marvel then I want some of what you're smokin'...
Lucas CREATED Star Wars... by superhero	Jun 22nd, 2006 08:09:01 PM
Quesada did NOT create the Marvel Universe. Big difference there! Marvel doesn't have to apologise but don't speak to concerned fans like their scumbags. We're the ones who buy their books through mostly thick and thin. So if they want to lose MORE readers then they'll talk down to us. If they want us to give respect to then they should a) earn it and b) give some in return. The comic business is not like water or electricity. I don't NEED Marvel comics and I can walk away from them. A lot of pople already have and have never returned. They should have learned something from that but it looks like they didn't...
Quesada didn't create Marvel characters- by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 08:42:03 PM
but neither did all but two of the creators that have worked on them. If the creators were the only ones that worked on them... they would suck. Did anyone read "Just Imagine" or Kirby's DC stuff? Brrrr. Like it or not, Joe Q is in charge.
Say Marvel does decide to listen to fans more... by Mr. Anderson	Jun 22nd, 2006 09:17:26 PM
what happens then? Are they going to listen to the fans who don't like Spidey unmasking and say "Well, even though the issue's already out, we're gonna fix that. The REAL CIVIL WAR #2 will be out next month. Sorry about that." Seriously, they're telling their story, like it or not. Lots of people do like it and are curious to see where this is headed, so why should Marvel only listen to the complainers?
I never said Marvel should only listen to complainers. by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 10:48:23 PM
I said they should stop fucking up Spider-Man and some of their other characters on such a massive, all-encompassing, company-wide scale.
What we have here is a failure to communicate by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:17:59 PM
I love Paul Newman. And I have to disagree that a lucrative company such as Marvel has a long-term goal of fucking up Spider-Man.
Are we still talking about the same thing here? by Ribbons	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:24:15 PM
I mean, look: I agree that the character of Spider-Man is strong enough to survive this without becoming "fucked up" for future generations. At the same time, his unmasking was stupid and out-of-character, and I don't see what's wrong with pointing that out -- even if Joey Q has no interest in listening. As for the people who think Spider-Man revealing his identity is "a natural progression," well, I don't even know what that's supposed to mean, to be honest.
Great rant, Sleazy by sideshowbob	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:30:27 PM
I can't say I agree with all of it (Ultimate FF, for example, is a top-notch all-ages book), but I've been feeling the same way. I'm constantly amazed at how people will go to such lengths to blame the sagging sales on comics and the lack of new readers on EVERYTHING but the comics themselves. And the funny thing is, the sheer number of quality talent in the medium these days is more impressive than ever--they're just not putting out books that people want to read.
Comics are fluid, as is life- by BayouWilly	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:30:52 PM
You go with the flow. Superman has killed. Green Lantern has gone batshit. Characters, as well as people, do things and make decisions that are surprising, and sometimes saddening. You take the good with the bad, read what you want. There are so many Spider-Man stories, that, even if you were to boycott him and write Spidey off as fucked up forever... you could still read old stories until the day you die. Which hopefully will be a long, long, time from now for us all.
The Spidey reveal by sideshowbob	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:37:11 PM
I'm fine with it. I think there are lots of new stories that can be told, and there are scores of "Essential" books for people who like the secret identity better. I just wonder if, after the initial batch of stories comes out, they'll wish they didn't do it. *** And Civil War is actually a little better than I thought it would be. Still not wowed by the whole "depressing" thing, nor the characters acting out of character, or that it's spread too thin, or the fact that I thought I was getting a Secret War for the 00s and instead it's more talking heads. But it's definitely well constructed. In other words, what Buzz said.
How Marvel fucked up the Ultimates line: by SleazyG.	Jun 22nd, 2006 11:42:57 PM
The Ultimate Universe was supposed to be the spot where writers could take familiar characters and go in crazy new directions. So why do people keep telling me that's where to go for the "old-fashioned" Spider-Man? In fact, I'll tell ya this right now: if Morlun and the mystical shit had happened in the Ultimate you, I woulda supported it wholeheartedly as an attempt to try something different, but that's not wha the 616 U. is for. Ditto for UFF: why is it a solid all-ages title, while the mainstream FF book everybody around the world has heard of is confusing, dark, and full of profanity? It's just goddamned stupid, and directly contrary to how things were supposed to work.
what is the ultimates universe? by blackthought	Jun 23rd, 2006 12:10:36 AM

Of course the people that created the characters... by superhero	Jun 23rd, 2006 01:05:24 AM
aren't still working on them! The point is that anyone who works on them should have reverence and RESPECT for the creation that they're working on. That doesn't mean that things shouldn't change but there's change and there's CHANGE. Drastic, over the top change in the status quo of what makes a character work is not necessary. It's what makes the character work and has kept a lot of these guys around for 30, 40, even 50 years. Superman will always be Clark Kent (I hope). It's essential to his mythology. By removing Spider-Man's dual identity you've destroyed part of the mythos that makes him successful and identifiable. If you kill Gwen Stacy you are adding tragedy to the central characters life, therefore adding dimension to his story. If you reveal Peter Parker's identity to the world you are TAKING AWAY one of the great things that makes him work. There's a difference. And, oh yeah, I have ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN to read but that's not the Spidey I grew up with. The one I invested all that time and money on during my formative teenage years. ULTIMATE SPIDEY is good but it's not actually SPIDER-MAN. But then again, the McFarlane years turned me off to Spidey as a regular reader all those years ago so maybe I don't matter. Straczynski had me back on for a while but, ooopsss, then he had to go and screw the pooch again...
Should you be curious.... by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 01:50:20 AM
*http://tinyurl.com/qf8lb* Freshly pimped for your viewing pleasure! (and there is a face shot in the oics section)
and now for something completely different by Arkhangelsk	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:10:52 AM
some amazingly great comics came out this week. like Captain America, which is holding the course for that series. like AXM in which mr Joss Whedon proves once again that he's one of the greatest writers. like X Isle which totally caught me by surprise and has me jonesing for the second issue. like Eternals which started out great and might even be better than 1602. oh, and i'm thinking about maybe picking up The Walking Dead. anybody knows if its any good? talk to me people (but leave Spidey out of it, please)
Psy, for the luvva... by vroom socko	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:34:51 AM
Am I the only person left who has nothing to do with MySpace? Nothing against it, but I'm just going to stick to LiveJournal, thankyouverymuch. *** Oh, and since it seems you can't comment this week without saying something about Spidey: ahem Spider-Man going public with his identity is the equivelant of Travis McGee selling the Busted Flush, moving into a condo development, and getting an actual day job. Sure, it takes the character in a new direction, but it also pretty much destroys what makes that character such a classic. Alledgedly a major character dies in Civil War. After this, I honestly hope it's Spidey.
(no spoilers) I only typed SPOILER a lot because by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:27:32 AM
I figure since there are no line breaks or anything, it would be almost impossible to not accidentally keep reading unless I but a whole bunch of them. In retrospect, it would make a lot more sense to put the spoiler warning them in the "Subject" line.
Vivil War really is more of an Ultimate U. idea. by rev_skarekroe	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:41:00 AM
But nobody asked me, did they?
Yeah but in the Ultimate Universe by MrBoinfoint	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:51:28 AM
Everybody already knows everybody's secret identity, and everybody already works for SHIELD. I'd like to see an Ultimate Daredevil who keeps his identity and actually does daring devil stuff, tho. That'd be a nice change.
Quesada said he had 3 genies to rebottle by MrBoinfoint	Jun 23rd, 2006 08:57:12 AM
One was the number of mutants, and the idea of mutants-as-minorites. Two is obviously Mary Jane, because he can't fucking sop talking about it and he's destroying the foundation of Spider-Man presumably just to kill her off. Both of these are bad, reactionary, damaging ideas. Instead of changing the face of reality he should have just hired people that could write good stories out of what they had to work with. He's like Bill Mumy banishing people to the cornfield. "I don't like this, so it doesn't exist anymore." When's someone at Marvel going to Logan Up and do what needs to be done to him like they tried with Wanda? What really scares me is what he might possibly have planned for genie #3. I'm thinking Captain America is going back into the iceberg. Any thoughts?
Nice post, Buzz... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 09:07:40 AM
...but, Cogs, don't we live in a superhero tower?
it's more of a orbiting space mansion of mystery by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 10:16:16 AM
but there was a tower on it once. The Sentry stopped by and I told him he'd have to leave if he brought that damn tower of his that he puts on the top of everything. Damn eye soar. Then he said that he had to get back to 'boss' tower and I was like, "what the hell is 'boss' tower?" And he was like, "you know, Stark tower. Editorial wants me to call Iron Man 'boss' for the next 4 issues so he can be a 'role model' for me because, you know, he's a drunk billionaire who dresses up in a two ton suit of Iron." To which I replied, "Huh. I'd pull a little Carnage is space action on editorial if I was you there Sentry, no what I'm sayin!!! - Hey, how can Iron Ma-- sorry, 'boss' sit in chairs if his suit weighs so much?" And Sentry said, "Oh, now you're just being a smart ass." *** Ark, BUY WALKING DEAD NOW!!! Get this, stuff happens (really fucked up stuff), but it has a real build up and there's nobody who can alter reality. It's really good, especially when read all together.
No problem here with Civil War by BilboRing	Jun 23rd, 2006 10:35:13 AM
I just read issue #2 last night. I can see Peter agreeing with MJ and Aunt May. What they said made sense. Then I thought about Fantastic 4 and other characters where everyone knows who they are. I don't know how much I like it that he unmasked but I didn't feel like it was out of Peter's character. He always goes with his heart over his brain. Great issue. I am glad I am back with Spider-Man. I missed a whole lot since I stopped reading after/during the Clone Saga. That was a fucking turd.
But did you check out my page Vroom? by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 11:13:23 AM
I was up until 4:30 Am finding just the right look and sound I wanted. I'm quite proud of it. One more time: http://tinyurl.com/qf8lb (and there is a face pic in the pics section-Marvel at my unearthly beauty!)
Check out the Spectregans while your at Psy's page by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 11:21:33 AM
I tried to avoid the MySpace, but it's really quite cool for all of the stuff people like Warren Ellis, Brian K. and other comic creators post. Check this post from Warren Ellis out: "It occurs to me that an awful lot of trouble in Gotham City could have been averted a long time ago if Batman had just ripped the Jokers nipples off. I mean, treatment doesnt work, does it? They stick the Joker in the nuthatch, he comes out again and does the same things. A man with the nipples ripped off him does not make the same mistakes twice. Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, and need the nipples ripped off them. I mean, whos going to argue? Batman, Ive heard disturbing reports that you ripped the Jokers nipples off. Choke on my fuck, Commissioner Gordon. okay. I mean, crime in Gotham City doesnt exactly seem to be affected by a man dressed as a bat flapping around the place. But no-one disobeys a man wearing a necklace of human nipples. Im Batman isnt cutting it in the striking-fear-into-their-heart s stakes. But Im Batman and Im here for your nipples is an entirely different proposition. Criminals would see the error of their ways after a man in a black leather pervert suit had their nipples off with the edge of a Batarang, you mark my words. Or a Bat-Denipplizer. Im off to ring DC Comics." Oh, Warren!!!
Oh and about that G4 segment.... by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 11:34:23 AM
Anyone who has read this Talkback with any regularity knows I am a God of Rudeness when I want to be, so naturally I'm ace at spotting it in others. Sleazy was a perfect gentleman but Alonso repeatedly and continually talked over him and tried to drown him out. That was the one thing that stuck out to me, how he just kept cutting Sleazy off to spout his platitudes.
Word, Psy. by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 11:48:53 AM
WORD.
Plus... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 12:13:11 PM
Alonso will die in a fire. So the Turtle declares, so it shall come to pass.
More Warren Ellis goodness by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 12:35:40 PM
"Did you ever want to set someone's head on fire, just to see what it looked like? Did you ever stand in the street and think to yourself, I could make that nun go blind just by giving her a kiss? Did you ever lay out plans for stitching babies and stray cats into a Perfect New Human? Did you ever stand naked surrounded by people who want your gleaming sperm, squirting frankincense, soma and testosterone from every pore? If so, then you're the bastard who stole my drugs Friday night. And I'll find you. Oh, yes."
Ellis could have been my new hero.... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 12:52:33 PM
...if, you know, there wasn't Hugh Heffner and all.
Ooh, don't ruin it for those who haven't read GreatOne2 by The Heathen	Jun 23rd, 2006 01:19:39 PM
SPOILERS!!! Wait, I thought you said you agreed? I'm digging this new arc. It's scaring the poop outta me and not because of the zombies. We don't know everything about this Governor guy or how evreyone feels about the situation. He seems to be more of a tyrant than anything else. Abuse of authority like Axel Alonso. I think the doctor that saved Rick isn't happy with the Gov. I hope Tyreese comes with a crew and some mo fo weapons and takes that jack ass out! crosses fingers END SPOILERS!!! **
Masks, Secret Identities Are Very Important In Religion by Buzz Maverik	Jun 23rd, 2006 01:24:23 PM
The shaman hides his face, becomes another being that can commune with the gods, keep the demons at bay. If the tribe saw his face at that time, they'd just see another guy, another family member and it wouldn't work. And if the gods and demons saw the shaman's face, they'd see another mortal and would strike out from whatever protective circles the shaman had made. A big part of the Spider-Man appeal comes from this archetype. Hell, look at the movies. Aside from the fact that he's a little too old, Maguire is perfectly cast. He's an okay looking guy but no better than most of us. We can completely buy him as being shy, smart as hell but afraid to show it, inept with women, virtually unemployable ... but putting on that mask and soaring over the city to confront the Evil.
If You've Seen Prequels, Lucas Owes You An Apology by Buzz Maverik	Jun 23rd, 2006 01:27:40 PM
A big one. He should be really very, very sorry.
That dude was Sleazy G? by BayouWilly	Jun 23rd, 2006 01:56:48 PM
Well I'll be damned...more importantly, who was the broad?
Lots of good points made... by Shigeru	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:02:11 PM
I'll have to say Sleazy and Buzz have summed up the matter pretty succinctly. Bravo to you two. And I really don't get people pointing out the sales factor to prove the story factor. If Marvel hyped Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane as much as Civil War, it would sell 240,000 copies too. And guess what folks...I'd put money on the fact that there will be lots of Civil War #1-7's in quarter bins in 5 years, because just cause there's a million on the shelf doesn't mean a million people bought it.
dare i say goal? by blackthought	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:05:45 PM
goal...it's been said.
I'll will lift the contract on Lucas when.... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:06:06 PM
he CGI's himself a neck! Then I'll be impressed again. Till then, I'm taking up a collection. It is not cheap putting a hit out on a movie mogul. No, it is not!
In other news! by Shigeru	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:06:11 PM
I got a preview copy of next week's Runaways cause I'm cool. Who wants to know some death spoilers??
To go with BuzzMaverik by vagrant's choice	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:11:14 PM
You need a smarmy headline to go with the review. I suggest,
E-MAIL ME SHIG!! WITH A NOWNESS PLEASE!! by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:14:37 PM
I'm such a spoiler whore.....
done by Shigeru	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:19:20 PM
and done.
Psy and Shig... by SleazyG.	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:23:06 PM
...hook a brutha up with the spoilage, but keep it outta the columns! I can't help myself...I gotta know. I like 'em all, so it'll be a bummer no matter what, but there's one in particular that would hit me the hardest.
NOOOOOOOO!!! by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:27:07 PM
Well damn, it was gonna hurt and I was gonna say that no matter who it was...
Fear Agent is unreadable by Rupee88	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:39:51 PM
I just tried to get through the first issue and couldn't make it. It is just really dumb and makes no sense. I understand the spirit behind it, but it just doesn't work. The art is OK, but the story and dialogue are inane.
Sleazy by Shigeru	Jun 23rd, 2006 02:43:38 PM
Consider yourself hooked up brother. We'll see how this plays out. I wish none of them had to die I like them all so much :(
CRISIS AT THE LCS! by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:15:09 PM
My fuggin LCS has just decided that they will no longer be taking pull-lists! Now, if I want to make sure I get everything, I HAVE TO PUT A SEPERATE SPECIAL ORDER IN FOR EVERY BOOK, EVERY ISSUE! WTF, mate?
I must own this.... by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:16:52 PM
http://tinyurl.com/ld5vb (it's a 'bust' get it?)
Find another LCS Great A.... by Psynapse	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:19:40 PM
'Cuz that's ass AND shit poor customer services. Way to kill their business.....
Pull-lists were never an option at my shop by Shigeru	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:25:13 PM
It's way too small to do them. I don't really mind because if he ever sees a book getting low and knows I want a copy he'll hold it. That's why it pays to go to a TINY shop run by one guy who knows you by name.
Yes, Shig, but then..... by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:31:05 PM
....comic shop guy will know exactly who it was that set the whole overstock of CW#2 on fire in the middle of the manga section, right between the under-age tentacle porn and the furry animal fudal japan fantasy epics, fouth voulume of twelve, out of one hundred and twenty.
What about online shops? by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:32:27 PM
Any reCOGmendations?
Does anyone else like everything? by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:43:36 PM
This is a problem I have. Maybe because I'm relatively new, have only been collecting comics for a year and a half. but every comic I get, I really like. Even ones that by all means have tons of flaws. For instance, the JLA arc with the vampires that rebooted Doom Patrol. I fully recognize how much that sucked, yet I like it anyway. Same thing with "Just Imagine", I recognize how it was bad, but I am waiting feverishly for another one. I have to be really careful with my pull list, because I actually like everything.
since im mostly a trades guy by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:46:01 PM
you cant go wrong with amazon for trades. as far as regular online comic shops i wouldnt know. im fortunate enough to go to an lcs where im known by name and have stuff pulled for me.as for the discussion so far it has been pretty good with valid points on both sides. i personally lean towards the unmasking was stupid and out of character but then i only read ultimate spidey. im also avoiding the whole civil war thing because hom was mighty lame!
i kinda have that same problem engineer by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:49:13 PM
im not that new to collecting(16 years on and off) but sometimes some of the stuff that gets panned i thought was pretty damn cool. a perfect example of this was x3 where even one of my fellow cogs had a polar opposite reaction to mine. if me and heath werent friends a battle would have raged that might have darkend the heavens
sweet bust psy! by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:50:21 PM
BOOBIES!!!!!
someday by Darth Kal-El	Jun 23rd, 2006 03:58:37 PM
i will post all i need to say in ONE fucking post instead of multi posting like a hungry slut. bayouwilly heres the face to the name...http://tinyurl.com/zdkt y...you will find some cogs in my friends list as well as a sweet band called crost that my brother plays in. c

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