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by meccabilly	Jun 16th, 2006 09:52:18 AM
first?
That was meant to be... FIRST! by meccabilly	Jun 16th, 2006 09:52:54 AM
first... My first, first...
MELTING OWL & UNSOCIABLE HAMMER by Shermdawg	Jun 16th, 2006 09:53:17 AM

Reviews by kbass	Jun 16th, 2006 09:55:32 AM
With generally positive reviews, I'm witholding judgement until I see it for myself. With that being said, I trust the man who brought the X-Men to the screen so well won't screw up the greatest superhero ever.
Anyone else skipping this and just seeing Pirates 2? by Mahaloth	Jun 16th, 2006 09:56:28 AM

superman will rock by doonae	Jun 16th, 2006 10:04:24 AM

Does anybody want to see this? by Dannychico	Jun 16th, 2006 10:10:24 AM

It's like 99 percent of Super-hero movies by cookylamoo	Jun 16th, 2006 10:17:39 AM
Great until the villain shows up. (Doctor Doom, anyone?)
I've waited a long time for this movie by supermonkey	Jun 16th, 2006 10:19:19 AM
and by all accounts this movie will have been worth the wait. I find that a lot of the negativity towards this film is based on a virtually unknown lead (Routh) and some liberties that Singer has taken with the foundation of Superman. Now, I'm in NO WAY comparing Routh with Chris Reeve, but as far as I can recall, Reeve was pretty much an unknown before donning the cape the first time. For the most part he was a theatrical performer. And HE WASN'T EVEN THE STUDIO'S FIRST CHOICE!! he studio originally wanted Robert Redford. He turnde it down cause' he didn't think the concept would work. So in steps Reeve and thank God right? I'm willing to let Routh have the benefit of the doubt. He does have some mighty BIG shoes to fill and we have to be able to cut him a little slack in that regard. As for Singer's liberties with the plot, ya know, I'm gonna go ahead and trust the guy that gave me The Usual Suspects and the first 2 X-Men. I'm dustin' off the Supes baseball cap and the sweet ass Supes baseball jersey I bought a few years ago and I'll be sporting them both when my ass is in line on opening day. I look forward to seeing many of you faithfuls right there with me.
I wanna see it... by Brendon	Jun 16th, 2006 10:19:40 AM
...the evidence: http://tinyurl.com/jf8tq
Kidder IS the definitive Lois Lane by Dannychico	Jun 16th, 2006 10:22:22 AM

Howard Stern Does. by Sean38	Jun 16th, 2006 10:25:07 AM
It's all he can talk about these days. Well this and trying to convince a midget to fly over New York with balloons strapped to his wrists and ankles.
Sounds like it's more than OK by DrManhattansUnit	Jun 16th, 2006 10:40:40 AM
These criticisms seem to be of the variety "I expected it to be great, and it was, now here are a few niggles". Like "The Godfather was too long" (it was), and so on. Just think what we'd be hearing about McG's Superman... or Brett Ratner's (gulp). Different league.
TomBodet by Shermdawg	Jun 16th, 2006 10:40:43 AM
lol
Singer calling Donner just to hear him breathing by Doctor_Sin	Jun 16th, 2006 10:42:27 AM
Is THE funniest thing I've read on here. Ever. Now, that second review is how a FUNNY yet honest and well-thought out review should read. Not "Hey! Look how ca-waaaaazy I am! Me! Me! Me!" But, just very observant and witty, making its points clearly without hyperbole. Great reviews! And, the image of SR 'stalking' S1 makes me laugh out loud. Seriously.
hmmm by FleshMachine	Jun 16th, 2006 10:52:03 AM
really looking forward to this...im a huge fan of the first 2...these reviews/crits sound pretty valid though...the first 2 reeve films really were all about the characters and emotion and motivation with the set pieces being secondary i think...hope thats the case here. using the same "dont be afraid to fly " line is lame...i wish this had been made as though it were part 3 and not just a remake or sorts. i guess they felt they had to split the difference for a new generation?
Yeah the stalking comment is hilarious. by Regicidal_Maniac	Jun 16th, 2006 10:52:36 AM
The 2nd review is a very good read, so is the first but I also think Kidder is THE definitive Lois and I HATE Kate Bosworth, so I'm biased. I guess it would suck to be Superman Returns right now since it just pissed me and many others off with it's dull lacklustre imitation of a film from 30 years ago. Loved it then want something new now. Only a few more years til Professor Victor Singerstein's Donner Resurrected is put out of it's misery and Superman is rebooted good and proper for TODAY'S AUDIENCES, like we fucking deserved.
Dana Delaney is THE definative Lois by Osmosis Jones	Jun 16th, 2006 10:59:04 AM
The line "Nice 'S'" makes me chuckle every time.
Part 3? How about Part 1? by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 10:59:33 AM
The first two movies were fine, but I would much rather have a new movie. Like typewriters were fine 30 years ago, and I can still appreciate a typewriter and what they did for typing, but it's 2006 and a lot has happened since the 70's, and I want to use a word processor! That said, the costume looks fine, the cast looks fine, the director is a good one, but I just can't get past the fundamental character changes they've done to Superman himself, and re-using a 30 year old plot.
P.S. Yes on Dana Delaney by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 11:00:43 AM
She is the definative Lois.
What was Abrams script about? by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 11:10:32 AM
I've heard crazy things, like Krypton never exploded and Superman drowns and things of this nature.
Maybe they can make Abrams script when SR bombs. by Regicidal_Maniac	Jun 16th, 2006 11:12:23 AM
And Abrams can direct, keep the cast if you like, (cept Bosworth, she's crap dump her), and just close the curtains on the Donner franchise. Treat this film as some kind of fever dream, just have Clark step out of the shower at the beginning calming Lois' nerves and reassuring her that Superman 'RERUNS' was just a bad dream.
I hated Margot Kidder as Lois Lane by Snookeroo	Jun 16th, 2006 11:14:43 AM
Kidder's Lois Lane was just loud. Come on, Supes -- you can have any woman in the world, and you go for...that?? So I'm glad Singer didn't try to duplicate that one. Frankly, I can't wait for this movie -- in fact, I've already bought advance tickets for the 27th.
Yeah, Luthor is fine by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 11:16:42 AM
But having Luthor Luthor Luthor gives the impression that you have this Godlike powerful man, and all he ever does is fight a weaselly human bald guy. It makes him look like a punk, quite honestly. There are plenty of good villians to choose from: Toyman, Metallo, intergang, Parasite, Mongol, Darkseid, Bizzaro, Doomsday, Brainiac, and others, and hell, throw in Luthor too if you want. Of course with quite a few you would have to significantly alter them in order for them to fit into a film world. Obviously it would be a waste of time and fanwankery to have the Darkseid you have in the comics, that would be way too high fantasy for a Superman movie, just like Shi'ar would be too "out there" for an X-men movie.
Bring Back Nuclear Man! by Stallion_Cornell	Jun 16th, 2006 11:20:05 AM
On second thought, Superman IV was very likely the worst film ever made.
What the hell? by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 11:21:53 AM
Man, that sounds horrid. Yeah, I'll take one order of giant spiders please with a side of gay robot sidekick. I read that Rob Liefeld thought they should have made the Abrams script and that it would have been the best superman film ever. Given what you just told me and given Rob Liefeld, that makes perfect sense.
Kevin Spacey by bigboxer	Jun 16th, 2006 11:22:11 AM
Love him, but Gene Hackman WAS Lex!!! AND Valerine Perrine was GREAT!!
TOO SOON! by Stallion_Cornell	Jun 16th, 2006 11:30:01 AM
Plus, I've heard whispered rumors about Kevin Spacey. Isn't he a vegetarian?
Doomsday was actually in the Smith script by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 11:31:28 AM
In the comics Superman came back due to the Eradicator(a kryptonian artifact) using his body as a solar battery to power himself and later overuse caused him to resuscitate. It was actually handled somewhat similarly in the Smith script, which might have been good if not for the crazy limitations and demands Jon Peters made on him. I would have loved to see that movie just because it would be hilariously bad. Polar Bears attacking Brainiac, a gay-R2D2 version of Otis. Oh man.
Lois Lanes I'd Like to Fuck by dicbeaks	Jun 16th, 2006 11:34:12 AM
Sure, Dana Delaney. Sure, Kate Bosworth. How about that cutie from Smallville and Phyllis Coates in her prime? Now we're talking.
dicbeaks by Shermdawg	Jun 16th, 2006 11:36:52 AM
CUTIE? ERICA DURANCE? CUTE? WHAT? No, no, my dear boy, that girl is a definate "Butterface".
Dude, if Darkseid is too fantasy for a Superman movie by Terry_1978	Jun 16th, 2006 11:40:14 AM
We've really lost touch with the character.
Exactly Terry, I want Supes to fight... by Shermdawg	Jun 16th, 2006 11:42:25 AM
somebody else besides Lex all the freaking time.
I mean, Kal-El is an alien after all by Terry_1978	Jun 16th, 2006 11:47:07 AM
Why wouldn't he fight other aliens aside from other Kryptonians?
Shermdawg by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 11:53:06 AM
what's the story with MELTING OWL & UNSOCIABLE HAMMER? just curious.
Werewolves and Vampires by Ky-El	Jun 16th, 2006 11:55:24 AM
There hasn't been one negative review yet. Pretty unbelievable. And the first review talking about Supes child and Lex sounds like Harry complaining that Matrix Reloaded should have had Werewolves and Vampires.
Erica Durance by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 11:56:08 AM
This is certainly not a butter face in my opinion. http://www.erica-durance.org/g allery/displayimage.php?album= 105&pos=20
Superman doesn't fight anyone in this movie by Snookeroo	Jun 16th, 2006 11:57:28 AM
He just flies around saving people. Which, in my opinion, is the weakest aspect of this flick.
Darkseid as he is is too fantasy by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 11:57:45 AM
The whole new gods/apokolips/new-genesis thing is too out there. Now you could take the same essential character and make some minor changes and he'd be fine. Instead of all that, make him an alien overlord seeking the destruction of the universe and the anti-life formula. Now make him believe that that formula is on Krypton. Then make him responsible for the destruction of krypton after not finding it, and later finds out that one child survived and is on Earth with some kryptonian technology, giving him hope that he may yet find it. He already has some agents on Earth in the form of Intergang, members of which include Metallo and the Toyman. There ya go. It ties him more directly into Superman and Krypton's fate, as well. But motherboxes highfathers and new gods are just right out.
Give up, Snookeroo you are talking to an internet male by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 11:59:12 AM
Every woman is unattractive and ugly, except for the one HE likes.
no matter what this film will NOT rape my childhood by Cory849	Jun 16th, 2006 12:05:30 PM
Why? Well first of all Christopher Reeves already did Superman right. I have lots of problems with the Donner movie, but at least Super-man was amazingly done. Second of all, Superman is kind of the Micky Mouse of Superheroes. A giant icon - yet somehow sucky and boring. People may want a superman poster or a micky mouse bedspread as kids, but the comics they love ar spider-man and batman and hulk. and the disney character that gets the laughs is Donald Duck. Third, the studio was faced with an almost impossible task to get this thing back up and running. The other scripts were disasters. Reeve is such an icon they could barely replace him, and the origin story was already done so well int he Donner film they could hardly just "restart". So - my point - this movie will be a giant ball of mediocrity and revisitation. But I never expected anything else from the tepid character that is Superman anyway. I'll pay my $12 bucks and watch the flight graphics and hope that Lex makes me laugh now and then. Really - its all you can hope for when you mix Hollywood safety and Superman Shiny Happy these days.
Donner by EnlightenedOne	Jun 16th, 2006 12:12:14 PM
I understand why Singer felt a need to "pay homage" to Donner, especially with the vile that remakes are looked upon with. So may simply weren;t ready to move on, however I myself wish Singer would have trusted his own vision and completely restarted the franchise with a new Jor-El a new Krypton, the whole deal. In the end I think we will have an amazing film despite the nitpick, if you can get past the horrid suit in Begins surely you can forgive a few retreads. The biggest gripe I have however is Luthor, not just because he's moved beyond being campy in the comic (although with the most recent issue not so much anymore) buit because I don't see that characterization working with modern audiences and I wanted him to feel like a real threat not some campy madman joker knockoff, but a stoic ruthless silently evil man. Ah well, I still can't wait for the film and I'm sure I'll be grinning ear to ear come the 27th at 10pm.
Sueprman is not the micky mouse of superheroes by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 12:20:09 PM
Take it back, jerk! Superman is awesome, and one of the best. He is neither sucky nor boring. Though I wouldn't blame you for thinking that if your only exposure to him was the Donner films.
Sequel by jasper Stillwell	Jun 16th, 2006 12:23:18 PM
It'll be interesting to see what Singer does with the sequel, if he just goes into a giving us a re-imaginging of Superman 2 we always should have had-schtick with Jude Chair Leg Law as Zod, then fired up by that simple demonstration of such a singular lack of imagination we will be perfectly justified in dragging him out of his LA condo and burning him along with all available copies of Superman 4 in a big ol' whicker phallus. I agree with Terry_1978 we're not wanting a Ken Loach film here.
Spelling by jasper Stillwell	Jun 16th, 2006 12:24:34 PM
Sorry 'bout the bizarro-spelling and grammar there...
Brainiac + Zod, or Darkside better be in the sequel by R.C. the "Wise"	Jun 16th, 2006 12:27:51 PM
You hear me!!!!
Brainiac + Zod? Why? by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 12:38:42 PM
The two really have nothing to do with each other, except in Smallville.
Plant reviews galore... by commonsense101	Jun 16th, 2006 01:02:05 PM
Why would an independent reviewer feel the need to guarantee us that somebody elses product will give our money's worth? There is a growing garden on this site.
Phoenix changes ruined X3 but Supes can be a dad now?? by The Founder	Jun 16th, 2006 01:14:53 PM
Superman is not only a father, but the boy also has Superpowers at 6 years old????? And yet not many complaints, despite the fact it's the opposite direction from the comics and have been stated that Supes can't father a kid with a human, and yet Singer and company just goes in and change this, and no problem with Harry and his faithful followers. Also add to the fact that the phucking kid has powers at age six when Clark never did until he reached liked his teens. That's ok as well. Phuck all you mofos who bitched about X3. I hope SR tanks. Singers is already going in and making drastic changes to the characters, so who'll be changed next? Darkseit, Metello, hell no cause we'll get 3 films probably and Lex will be the villian in all of them and he'll end up getting Superpowers somehow to take on Supes, or worse yet a rehashing of Superman 2 will be the next one with some kryptonian villians showing up, Zod and crew no doubt.
Hate to tell you you're wrong by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 01:22:44 PM
But you're wrong. The movies were based more on the Silver-Age superman(in fact, there was no mdoern-age Supes yet), and he did have powers as young boy. Hell, he lifts up the truck in the first movie right out of the rocketship. And it hasn't really been stated either way whether Clark can have a kid in the comics. Even if it were, it's a pretty fucking minor point. "Can Clark have a kid?" is not nearly as important as "Would Clark have a kid out of wedlock?"
Durance by Shermdawg	Jun 16th, 2006 01:36:39 PM
Sure she looks good in photos, but if you notice, her face really shows the signs of botox and plastic surgery. Watching her on Smallville, her face just seems so stiff. Now maybe it's a medical condition, and if it is my bad. But if its indeed cosmetic, then its a real shame. I mean the chick is in her late twenties, besides the severe laugh lines how ugly could she have been? I'll let the implants slide. But if Letterman can pick on Kenny Rogers for cosmetic work that's barely noticeable, Erica is fair game. And as far as best Lois Lane of all-time? I gotta go with Allison Mack. Yes, I said Allison Mack. Her character is more "Lois" than any actress who has portayed her.
Wait a sec, are you spying on me? looks around by Shermdawg	Jun 16th, 2006 01:48:28 PM

I'm glad you said that Sherm by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 01:50:24 PM
I have often said that they need to mix Mack and Durance to get the "real" Lois. Now, what up with MELTING OWL & UNSOCIABLE HAMMER?
You're off your rocker. by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 01:55:37 PM
Maybe she(Chloe) is more Lois than any live action ones, maybe. I haven't really seen much of the old stuff, though from what I have they were very much the Lois of the times. But the animated Lois wins in my book. But as far as Erica is concerned, I see where you're coming from. You basically have two standards for women. One for women you would see on TV/Movies/Modelling and one for women you would meet in real life. It's fine to have those two different standards. For instance, girls with implants don't really bother me in real life, I have no problem with them and find myself attracted to them, but I hate implants on models and actresses and find it unattractive. I don't really find Erica all that attractive by the higher standard, the actress standard, though by any normal means I find her to be a very beautiful girl with pretty minor imperfections. Minor imperfections are magnified, however, in a star, where we expect even more for them to be perfect. Erica looks great, but I meet women every day who look as great, but compare that to a girl like Salma Hayek or Scarlett Johanssen, the kind of beauty you just don't randomly run into. Of course beauty is subjective there I'm sure many of you don't find them attractive, but to me there are basically two scales. My 1 - 10 scale for any woman I meet, and a 1 - 10 scale for "beautiful celebrities", but this sub-scale is between the values of 7 and 10 on a normal scale. So while Erica Durance would be an 8.5/10 for me on the normal scale, which is high, convert that to the second scale and she's a 5/10, which is pretty low.
FUCK the comics and FUCK YOU by performingmonkey	Jun 16th, 2006 02:04:06 PM
So WHAT if Singer rapes Donner's movie? He's still got two sequels to make (well, he may bail on the third movie...) which will deal with other things. Routh is playing Kent like Reeve, 'bumbling'. This is MOTHERFUCKING ESSENTIAL because, here's an idea for you, THIS ISN'T A FUCKING COMIC BOOK and you can't get around the fact that if he didn't do 'bumbling' Clark people would realise he was really Supes. 'Bumbling' Clark is to achieve that 'is he Supes? Clark's what...6'4? ...nah.' moment from that clip. If he was just normal in front of everyone it would suck harder than Singer on a night out with Spacey. Fuck you. Go read your Dark Knight series motherfucks.
Ok, I'm now convinced by Doctor_Sin	Jun 16th, 2006 02:05:26 PM
Supes is past his prime. Name-check his popularly-known villains...Lex Luthor. Darkseid would probably top the fan list for other villains. Now, who else? Mr. Mxypltz or whatever? Supes has no good pantheon of dirtbags. He's good at battling cosmic threats and natural disasters and fucking with Jimmy Olsen. He doesn't have a bunch of villains like Batman...Joker, Riddler, Two-Face, Penguin, Catwoman... right there - more villains. Yeah, I wanna see this. But, I don't know how or why I'd invest in a Supes franchise. I'd rather watch more Hellboy or more one-offs like Shazam, Green Hornet, etc. Hell, bring back the goddamn Rocketeer or Darkman. I'm excited to see this, but doubt I will be praying for a follow-up. Theoretically, a Supes movie could end in 5 minutes. "Ooh! A meteor threatens the earth! Superman pushes it off towards the sun. Yay!" or "Ooh! A bunch of Iranian nukes all launched toward us! Superman carries them into space. Yay!" I mean, really.
Moviemack by Ky-El	Jun 16th, 2006 02:05:27 PM
So what the hell are you saying? Every review has been fabricated? You're an idiot.
I understand your reasoning but, by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 02:07:59 PM
when I see this....http://www.popoholic.c om/photo.php?id=erica-durance- pictures-08&title=Erica%20Dura nce%20FHM%20Magazine%20Picture s Me likey! Oh, and I totally agree with you on Scarlett and Salma. I am just trying to argue that Erica is not a butter face. Peace and chicken grease. Which, btw is what Kenny Rogers did to his face. He stopped in to one of his chicken shacks and fried himself a new face.
"Maybe she(Chloe) is more Lois than any live action one by performingmonkey	Jun 16th, 2006 02:08:13 PM
As far as I know, Smallville IS live action. A while ago people were all saying how they were certain that a twist in Smallville was going to be Chloe changing her name to Lois Lane as a reporter alias. Sadly, this twisted fanboy fantasy was fucked over when they brought in Lois. Teri Hatcher was good as Lois. Kidder looked like a 40-year-old 40-a-day whore. Reeve deserved better.
You take some unemployed writers and give them... by commonsense101	Jun 16th, 2006 02:14:35 PM
10000 or 50000 or 100000 or whatewer $$$ to write mispelled reviews so that they look real and they get to pick their nicknames too. What's that to 50mil$ promo campaign? Imagine if they could spend 500000$!!!
Lois by Ky-El	Jun 16th, 2006 02:14:43 PM
Durance has the right sarcasm and attitude of Lois but Chloe has the right intelligence. But neither is the full package of what Lois should be.
Doctor_Sin... by F69	Jun 16th, 2006 02:16:56 PM
"Theoretically, a Supes movie could end in 5 minutes. "Ooh! A meteor threatens the earth! Superman pushes it off towards the sun. Yay!" or "Ooh! A bunch of Iranian nukes all launched toward us! Superman carries them into space. Yay!" I mean, really". -You know, coincidentally that was exactly what the old Max Fleischer cartoons were like.
Relax YackBacker by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 02:18:26 PM
Stretching is good for you. You should get off your fat ass and try it some time.
Take it easy Yackbacker by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 02:26:13 PM
I was just trolling a little. No harm meant. Sorry for the stretch. I was too lazy to use tinyurl. Sorry for the fat comment as well. I will be happy to talk Superman from now on. I bid you peace.
Oh yeah, by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 02:28:14 PM
I have a real girlfriend and yes, she does call me Turd. Since you asked.
I am no longer at peac by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 02:30:31 PM
e. Because someone stretched the talkback. You know, it wouldn't be that hard to write code to fix this and force something like that to have linebreaks. Not hard at all. While we're at it, it wouldn't be hard to code in actual linebreaks themselves, so people could have, you know, paragraphs. And performing monkey, I mentioned live action because I was comparing her to Dana Delaney, the voice from the toons, and saying she was superior, but that for live action, he may be right on Chloe. Now onto people who say Superman is "past his prime". No way. No fucking way. He's still one of the greats, and could easily build a franchise. The only reason his other villians aren't as widely known is because Hollywood refuses to touch them. And it isn't because they are bad villians either. People I know who think Superman is lame think so because "He's invincible, nothing can beat him. That's lame. And he turns into a kitten with kryptonite around. I could beat him with a hunk of kryptonite." No, that isn't Superman. He's not invincible, he can be killed, and he faces foes that could do it all the time, and wins, relying more on intelligence, courage, and perseverence then super-strength. That's what makes him great. And kryptonite doesn't have nearly the exaggerated effect it does in shows like Smallville.
Great. Someone stretched the talkback. by Snookeroo	Jun 16th, 2006 02:37:55 PM
Now if only someone could stretch their imagination.
By the way, I'm trying to be a lot more fair here by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 02:53:56 PM
More fair in this thread then I was in the other one. Hope I am succeeding.
I don't have a stretched talkback by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 02:55:47 PM
I just realized that my talkback appears as usual. Anyway, my appologies if I did it. I agree with Engineer that Superman is not invincible. It has been in place a long time that magic can hurt or kill Superman. I think there was an issue that featured Lex or some other bad guy looking for Excalibur.
Engineer at Peace by Cory849	Jun 16th, 2006 03:03:03 PM
I have a theory that every rock band gets allocated three groupies no matter how bad they suck (sadly there are usually 4 guys in a band which either leads to band tensions or double penetration depending on the amount of drugs involved. but I digress...) Similarly, there are going to be some people, like you, that LOVE superman, and most importantly, super-man comics to death. But Im sorry - by and large Superman comics are boring for exactly the reason we talked about - he is TOO powerful. Thats why they tried to make him stupider and less powerful with his post-Crisis re-start. But since his limitations arent well known the powers creep back up all the time. He's also such a boy scout that its hard to make him three dimensional. With Batman we can see some real tension. An angry underdog. A dark knight. With Peter Parker, we get really novel powers and a worried underdog villain. For whatever reason super-man doesnt tap into those areas, and as a result his comic books tend to be boring. Im not saying superman is a huge failure or anything. He's iconic. Millions love him. But millions of people love Mickey Mouse too. Its just that neither of them is allowed to really get their hands dirty.
Not just magic by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 03:03:26 PM
Even really strong guys can hurt him. There was nothing magical about Doomsday, and he killed him. Mongol has come pretty damn close, as have Manchester Black, Fernus, and other non-magical, non-kryptonite, non-red sun entities. And Furgesen, I think you must have a widescreen monitor or be at a high resolution. I'm at 1080 by 768 right now, but I could probably up it to 1152 by 864 and no longer have this stretched.
Doomsday is a good point by Cory849	Jun 16th, 2006 03:06:26 PM
Talk about having no respect for superman. While Batman was over living the nightmare of Knightfall and having his spine broken by an evil mastermind, Super-man gets beaten by a mindless ogre with a giant super-punch. God that sucked.
Now that Lois is the mom of Supe's kid by supes1m	Jun 16th, 2006 03:07:29 PM
Does he tell her he's Clark Kent at the end of the movie? It seems like something she should know....
on the subject of a new talkback by Cory849	Jun 16th, 2006 03:12:25 PM
tweaking the talkbacks is a good idea to allow for paragraphs and line breaks (although I think that secretly they keep them paragraph free to keep the posts short), but I hope they dont give them too much forum functionality. I like the basic crude talkback the way it is.
YackBacker.... by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 03:19:38 PM
very well said. I am not just saying that to kiss your "fat" ass either. And to Engineer, you are being more than fair. Has anyone else seen that issue with the plan to use Excalibur against Superman?
I do have a pretty sweet monitor. by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 03:23:50 PM
Not to rub it in. Sorry guys.
First Negative Review by Ky-El	Jun 16th, 2006 03:25:27 PM
Rotten Tomatoes has the first negative review of Superman Returns. Although the guy sounds like a he has a complete vendetta. He says every actor is awful, the action is terrible yadda yadda. The fact that he's so overwhelming negative and every single other review has praised the things he rips, makes me think he had his mind made up before he saw it. He thought the cape's red was too dark...
Lobo... by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 03:38:09 PM
came close to killing Superman too. He's one of the cooler villians Supes has faced.
Lobo was a parody of Wolverine by Cory849	Jun 16th, 2006 03:43:23 PM
...that became so popular he got his own series. He was never to be really taken seriously though.
SPOILERS? by Spangler	Jun 16th, 2006 03:43:55 PM

Yeah Ky-el by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 16th, 2006 03:51:04 PM
If somone in a review stoops down to complaining about the shade of red in the cape, or how small the S-shield is(or for that matter if they stoop to praising it), discard that review.
Shotgun to the uterus by Domi'sInnerChild	Jun 16th, 2006 03:57:03 PM
Somebody needed to say it.
Doomsday by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 04:01:56 PM
I imagine that Doomsday would play out better on film anyway. Lobo wouldn't translate to a fight on a epic scale. I think it would make for a great Act II to have Doomsday "kill" Superman at the end of the next one. We all know that there will be a sequel to this outing. The guy on Rotten Tomatoes is a tool. Most people has gotten over the costume update. Besides, what I saw in some of the trailers, the red actually looked a little deeper and richer especially when the sun was lighting it from behind.
Frontpage.... by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 04:18:37 PM
is all that I have ever used and that was a few years ago. You wouldn't want me developing a roll of film let alone a website.
How can... by godhatesyou	Jun 16th, 2006 04:27:28 PM
you get Supermans costume wrong? How is that possible........what is this guys problem with comic costumes? The X-Mens costumes were all wrong too.......don't ever let this dick make another comic book movie. He is WAY out of his depth.
Sequel Idea? by dogmonsta	Jun 16th, 2006 04:29:49 PM
Im new here so be gentle huh? Well, with all the spoilers, I have a good idea of the tone of the movie. Which means it'll have a more "realistic" edge to it. So saying that. The next logical step is have Luthor come into possession of some of Supermans hair or something. Take the only plot point of 3 I believe. Using the DNA he uses it to create another being to kill Superman, ala, Bizarro. Have the ferocious battle and bring in the fact that Supes gets his stregth from our yellow sun to the forefront. Thats how he finally beats Bizarro. Big solar explosion or something and at the end show a comet of sorts with a familiar bone cragged hand imprisoned in it. (Doomsday) Just a thought.
Doomsday by Ky-El	Jun 16th, 2006 04:48:27 PM
I've been dying to see Doomsday done in a live action movie since the "Death of..." story came out. But if they do Doomsday, HE MUST KILL SUPES! No pulling the Justice League Animated crap and have him just be another powerful super villain.
dogmonsta by Turd Furgusen	Jun 16th, 2006 04:58:21 PM
has a pretty good idea. I like the visual of the bone cragged hand jutting from the comet. I agree with Ky-el that they have to kill Supes in the end how they resurect him is another story.
This reviews remind me of... by hank henshaw	Jun 16th, 2006 05:01:34 PM
...the Star Wars prequels' reviews. Basically saying that the movie was less-than-passable but they liked it. I think the moment hype on this movie wears out, people will really see it for what it is. Just like the SW prequels.
Hank by Ky-El	Jun 16th, 2006 05:07:41 PM
I don't know Hank. I think after episode I, the prequel hype was overwhelming negative for just about everything SW related. Die hard Supes fans like SupermanHomepage say this movie is phenomenal.
Ky-El, that's not the way I remember it... by hank henshaw	Jun 16th, 2006 05:25:08 PM
...but you are most likely right. Now, if you check critic review at Rotten tomatoes, all prequels are considered "fresh" movies. Back on the Superman Returns topic, I consider myself a major fan of Superman, but there's no way I'm going to see Bryan Singer's movie.
F69 by Doctor_Sin	Jun 16th, 2006 05:28:18 PM
Yeah - I love the Fleischer toons. At least they padded them a bit with an occassional "Supes got the wind knocked out of him by the falling building" to build suspense.
Fair Enough by Ky-El	Jun 16th, 2006 05:37:32 PM
Fair Enough Hank. I'm curious though, what would you want from Singer's movie to get you to see it being a Supes fan?
Ky-El by Ridge	Jun 16th, 2006 05:40:37 PM
I wouldn't waste your breath. He'll be there. He may say on the net he won't but I'd bet my own mother father and son that he'll see it in the cinema. If he's a real superman fan that is... but then, to SAY you are one, and to BE one are two totally different things now arent they.
I guess they could have screwed it up worse by Rupee88	Jun 16th, 2006 05:55:37 PM
A true reboot would have been better without the Donner fetish, but it sounds like it is at least palatable and nice visually. The Donner films are kind of sucky overall, but do have their moments.
Ridge by Ky-El	Jun 16th, 2006 06:10:49 PM
Yeah I just have the feeling that all people that are taking shots because of the "Donner fetish" would be complaining if Singer didn't take that approach. You really can't please fanboys. I feel bad for Singer.
"can't please fanboys" by Cory849	Jun 16th, 2006 06:16:23 PM
sure you can. its just that in any artistic endeavor, no matter what you do someone isnt going to like it. And there are a ton of different fanboys. at least fanboys, unlike most of movie going america, sit on the internet and tell studios what they want. God help the maker of the romantic comedy - oh, how he must flutter about in the dark.
Can't please fanboys?! by Stallion_Cornell	Jun 16th, 2006 06:33:59 PM
"a great night at the movies, and I wasn't disappointed." ____ "Yes, this is a good film. Visually, it's almost overwhelming." Sounds to me like the guy liked it, fanboy geekdom aside.
BANE!!!!!! by UncleEthan	Jun 16th, 2006 06:38:54 PM
"It's like Singer keeps dialing Donner's phone number just to hear him breathing on the other end."...the absolute best line I have heard in a review on AICN. Maybe the best thing I have readon this site since the Hunter Thompson obit by some cat in NC. Seriously. Hire this guy NOW! No he is not me. I am a creative writing professor and this is good stuff.
Illegitimate father and deadbeat dad by Immortal_Fish	Jun 16th, 2006 06:54:18 PM
This is not deserving of the most popular, most recognizeable, number one, iconic superhero of all time. Furthermore, it's absurd. Comic canon has established how Kal can procreate with humans. If he did so with Lois once he became human in Superman II, then his child would be mundane. But the child is not. Once again, Bryan Singer adapts a character to the story he wants to tell instead of adapting a story around the known property. Fine, he did this with X-Men to much success. Fine! But I'll be damned if I patronize his warping of the number one comic property beyond any recognition. Go exorcise your own personal demons elsewhere, Bryan. We know you were adopted. We know you are a homosexual. We've gotten over it. Why can't you?
Correction by Immortal_Fish	Jun 16th, 2006 06:57:39 PM
Meant to write, "Comic canon has established how Kal can NOT procreate with humans." Way to go, Bryan. You took what the audience could subjectively INFER from Superman II and rubbed our faces in your own personal interpretation. I hate this man.
i can't wait to see this by BALTIMOREJACK	Jun 16th, 2006 07:06:27 PM
i wouldn't care if it was a verbatim remake of Superman 1&2, i would see it. bryan singer can do no wrong by me, nor can Superman. already bought my Imax tickets.
Ummm.... by Drunken Rage	Jun 16th, 2006 07:32:12 PM
what was this about Dana Delaney, again? She's dreamy.
procreation by supes1m	Jun 16th, 2006 07:49:23 PM
Canon has not established superman can't procreate with humans. Even Chuck Austen alluded to the possibility when Lana asked Clark why he and Lois haven't had kids. It's an unknown.
supes1m, "Canon has not established superman can't" by Immortal_Fish	Jun 16th, 2006 08:52:45 PM
Are you kidding? After all the ComiCon debate that Diana Prince is the only woman that could conceivably bear Kal's offspring? Do you consider yourself a true fan? Do you even glimpse to understand what has happened since at least the Byrne years? More like supes1m (read Singer plant #457), "has not established superman can't procreate with humans.
Sounds to me..... by ObiWan_yaknowme	Jun 16th, 2006 09:17:06 PM
Like a wide variety of jaded X men fans still moaning because that peice of shit film X3 was softly excreted from Ratner's ass into their collective lapping mouths. Get over it. And die already. Anyone that presumes to WANT a film to fail lacks both integrity AND creative or artistic sensibilities. Fuck. All. Of. You. Harshly and often. Superman has returned so, all the nasty little generation Y'ers with their cynical, banal, assinine ways can go fuck themselves and watch 6 or 7 hours of violence of ADD induced visual imagery geared towards those incapable of not drooling if a shot lingers in a scene more than 2.5 seconds. God damn I hate armchair movie critics raised on Mtv that can't differentiate between a film, and a consecutive series of explosions patched together that someone has the audacity to call a motion picture. Superman has returned. So ass hacks can bend over and prepare to take it superstyle now. Rant over.
Kingdom Come by alienindisguise	Jun 16th, 2006 09:27:04 PM
Now that's how I want to see Superman, even though all the heroes would be past their prime, it would still make for a killer film, probably better than this one.
Lois by beelkay	Jun 16th, 2006 10:02:21 PM
The definitive Lois has to be Dana Delaney's version in the animated series.
Superman's kid has superpowers = makes no sense by jorson2	Jun 16th, 2006 10:07:34 PM
Why? Because if Superman 2 is canon and the post-coital scene in the fortress of solitude is supposedly this kid's conception, then the kid CAN'T have superpowers because Lois and Supes didn't sleep together until AFTER he surrendered his powers in that chamber of red light in order to be with her. In othre words, when they did it, HE WASN'T SUPER! So how does a kid get superpowers when, at the time they slept together, BOTH of his parents were mortals? I'm not buying it, but I still look forward to seeing the rest of the movie.
LANGUATRON'S BANE: Contact Me! by The Gorn	Jun 16th, 2006 10:58:04 PM
I also have seen the film and wish to discuss further -- you know, comparing notes like two geeks properly ought to. How can we chat outside of this overcrowded joint?
regarding supes kid by ObiWan_yaknowme	Jun 16th, 2006 11:17:42 PM
All of this speculation about the feasibility of Supes love child having his abilities and powers is tedious to the point of lunacy. The exact process of what the chamber did to Supes wasn't expanded on to any degree. It very well could have simply inhibited his cells from being solar collectors, rather than a complete DNA rewrite. God almighty help me Im arguing the science of Superman on a fucking message board. The point being, it's Superman. He has powers. We dont know exactly why or how, or what mechanism makes him super. And you know what, we don't fucking need to know. The physics and physiological why's and why not's of a fucking comic book character need NOT be dissected to enjoy a GOD DAMN movie. Let's move on to bigger fish to fry.
Singer lacks scope. by Rant Breath	Jun 17th, 2006 12:46:26 AM
He can only take us so far.
Jennifer Connelly... by Harysuxafat1	Jun 17th, 2006 01:42:29 AM
would've been heavenly. Bosworth is not. I'm pretty sure the second review is right on about this steaming pile of shit that is Superman Returns. Hopefully this will flop and then we can get a real Superman movie instead of Donner pt. 2. Fuckin' WB fuckin' it up again.
I can't believe... by VanLingoMungo	Jun 17th, 2006 02:06:14 AM
You guys are talking about the superpower properties of Superman's semen. Only at AICN.
It's like remaking The Godfather... by sillypig	Jun 17th, 2006 02:45:12 AM
and Starwars etc. All the elements where already done in last Supes movies. It's an update rather than anything else. Also think about the thumbsukaz, teens and pre-teens, they are gonna have there pants and knickers blown off! Then get them to watch Superman 1 & 2. Get my picture? We are the generation of "the original is better!" Just enjoy it.
Right I've just discovered that I can't write or spell by sillypig	Jun 17th, 2006 02:49:14 AM
,too much aspartame.
Hehehehe Immortal_Fish by Ridge	Jun 17th, 2006 04:37:10 AM
Deadbeat dad indeed, I wonder if Lois can claim for five years worth of child support... the ultimate runner. 'Yes your honour, he left our GALAXY!' lol As for supes shagging Lois in the fortress, well yeah its true he WASN'T super when they boned. But then, it's only loosely attached to Donners works. But then I always wondered why in part 2 it was possible for him to get his powers BACK when Jor El told him they would be gone forever?
"carve new ground without treading water" by Cedar_Room	Jun 17th, 2006 06:53:22 AM
use this idiom on yourself - because you used this same phrase more than once in your article. The shame. Oh - and Superman is shit.
"There hasn't been one negative review yet" by TheWoodMan	Jun 17th, 2006 08:10:36 AM
Yeah, but there haven't exactly been any glowing reviews either. It's like with the first "X-Men" movie; at this stage, everyone's just glad it didn't turn out as bad as it could have. Also, bear in mind that the only opinions out there so far are those of our fellow hardcore geeks... it remains to be seen what the general public will think of: A) a skinny, gay Superman in a ridiculous, re-designed costume B) a Lois Lane who looks like she just graduated from the 11th grade C) a long, long awaited "sequel" that turns out to be a note-for-note, beat-for-beat rehash of the original. PREDICTION: This will re-define the word "meh" and will not exactly set the box offices on fire, at least not after the first weekend. Try again, Singer... like you did with the much-improved "X-2". And for crying out loud, ditch Luthor. Give Bizarro, Brainiac or Mr. Mxyzptlk a shot.
Sequel to the originals? by CharlesBronson24	Jun 17th, 2006 09:18:11 AM
I don't like that at all. The first two Supermen were good movies, but they had their share of corniness, and it was thirty years ago. Considering the amount of comics available to find plot from, why couldn't they just reboot the series? I mean, the Batman series was only from a decade ago, and they didn't make Batman Begins a sequel to Returns. And while we're at it, Tim Burton didn't make a sequel to the Adam West camp-fest. I just think with the amount of time it's been since the last Superman movie, maybe we deserve something new.
Parjer Posey is No Perrine by half vader	Jun 17th, 2006 09:25:38 AM
She's got no boobies.
homophobic fanboy? by JoeQuest	Jun 17th, 2006 09:51:10 AM
In one review, the writer insinuates Singer is gay, and whines that the movie pays to much respect to the Donner classic. Guess what? 1. The Donner movie is how most people KNOW Superman (thanks to TBS and other cable networks) 2. The gay people are coming to get you and will force you to do nasty things.
Just to add some fuel... by LazarusRevival	Jun 17th, 2006 09:57:24 AM
to this debate. First of all, Supes kryptonian mother (not Jor El) tells her son that if he chooses to be with a human, then he has to become human. Basically, the chamber changes him into one of us (and also supplies him with fashionable evening wear) in the middle of part II before Supes and Lois
procreation by supes1m	Jun 17th, 2006 11:48:51 AM
Rant all you want immortal fish, there has been no offical answer to the procreation debate in the current Canon. You're wrong. As for a singer plant. I hate the idea of a super kid and this this is a huge mistake. Yep, I'm a singer plant all right. Idiot.
superkid by supes1m	Jun 17th, 2006 11:58:24 AM
Immortal fish, if you were a true superman fan you would understand what Superman stands for. Instead you insult, rant and rave. You're the type of person Superman fights against. The problem with the super kid goes beyond childish conversations about super sex , sperm, etc. A true Superman fan understands much more is at stake. It's the fundamental change to a 68 year old mythos. Superman becomes superdaddy. Not a good thing for the comics. The set up in the movie is horrible. It's like an episode of Maury. "Superman: you ARE the father" Disgusting.
Only overweight women with hairy armpits read AICN. by Lezbo Milk	Jun 17th, 2006 12:28:15 PM
That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing this film. One question though...now that phone booths have gone the way of the dino's, what the hell is our man in tights to do?
Fuck! I thought we we're done with nerdy Clark. by Neo Zeed	Jun 17th, 2006 01:45:56 PM
We've had Byrne's reboot, Dean Cain (yeah show sucked but at least Clark wasn't a dufus), the 90s Superman cartoon, etc...Now we're back to goofy Clark? Maybe Chris Nolan can have Bruce slide down the Batpoles with Robin shouting "Holy Nightmare!"..just for old times' sake.
Sounds Like No X2 by Roboteer	Jun 17th, 2006 02:09:50 PM
Told you so. That Supes wouldn
moviemack and roboteer by BALTIMOREJACK	Jun 17th, 2006 03:55:17 PM
have either you guys seen the movie? no? then shhhhh. mack, would you rather have The Rock play Superman? you really seem to want someone with big ol' muscles to play the part, but no, you aren't gay.the donner movie(s) set the standard for the modern day comic-book movie, as did christopher reeve's performance set the standard for the modern day superman/clark kent, so deal with it, its what we know. and roboteer, i guess after reading a few (positive) reviews, you get to say "i told you so"? maybe you need to actually see the movie first. by the way, X2 was very good, but like almost all movies of this nature, it wasn't perfect. i could've done without the entire reservoir/dam finale. anyways, how about we all see the movie first, then if you guys feel the same, so be it; but at least you'd have seen it and your opinions would be based on experience.
and no one bothered to mention the premiere.. by Agent sith	Jun 17th, 2006 06:27:45 PM
of Superman VS Brainiac which debuts tonight on the cartoon network. (pre DVD release)get yer Tivos ready!!
Why the movie turned out this way by Dasher	Jun 17th, 2006 06:35:19 PM
It's because of all the development problems this movie had over the years. Everyone knows the tortured history of the project. WB couldn't figure out a new take on Superman. They were getting their ass kicked by the Marvel movies, so they just decided to remake what worked before. They hired Singer, who knew the Superman movie inside and out, but never read the comics. He was willing to pay homage to Donner because Donner's wife hired Singer for X-Men. The point is that this movie was not born out of inspiration or passion for Superman. It was a corporate decision backed by Hollywood networking and politicking.
I agree with Ky-El re: fanboys by SirSpike	Jun 17th, 2006 08:18:29 PM
Ky-el, you are right on the money. If Singer had done his own vision of Superman, no matter how close he had come to the ideal vision that comic book readers have of him, there would be a legion of whiners complaining that he should've followed up Donner's vision. I saw someone here griping about the way Clark is still "bumbling and clumsy". If Clark is stoic and at ease with himself, his true identity could seep through. He's chosen an image SO unlike Superman that no one would possibly mistake Clark Kent for the Man of Steel. That's just common sense. Whine on, cry away...it'll all be the same at the box offices, as it rakes in our dollars.
Supes identity by ObiWan_yaknowme	Jun 18th, 2006 01:00:41 AM
Actually, Bill explained it best in Kill Bill 2. Clark Kent is the false persona, Superman is the real persona. Clark Kent is how Kal-El views and percieves humanity: vulnerable, awkward, evolving, needful, innocent, and naive. The "bumbling dolt" persona works best. My God havent you people ever seen Prince Adam and He-Man?? heh heh
This version of Lois and Superman look like they by superninja	Jun 18th, 2006 03:15:24 AM
met in high school (five minutes ago). It is just not appearing believable that they have this deep, serious relationship as the dialogue clearly suggests (as well as the circumstances). And of course, if you are starting from that point, then this is a problem. It seems like actors playing the actors from the other Superman films. In a way, it's sort of unsettling.
Dasher, that's a very interesting perspective. by superninja	Jun 18th, 2006 03:17:27 AM

The trailers had me pumped, but... by Shermdawg	Jun 18th, 2006 06:02:03 AM
after just watching the clips, I gotta say, this isn't looking all that hot. Nice Smallville nod in the "Story of Prometheus" clip though. And for the fucktard that said that he wanted a whole movie of the kid......um, that clip of him growling with a wastebasket on his head leads me to believe he had to be joking with us. Sure there wasn't any acting from the brat. But watching it, I was hoping someone would kick the little bastard over. And don't get me started on Routh......(I'm holding judgement on him til I've seen the film, but from the clips, he just can't hold a candle to Welling....of course I am a bit biased, but it's the god's to honest truth. He may look like Reeve, but so far, Singer would have been better off casting Marsden as The Man of Steel. At least Lex [LOOKS] decent.)
mack by BALTIMOREJACK	Jun 18th, 2006 06:10:39 AM
then don't see the movie. save that hard-earned money and buy yourself the Superman 1&2 dvds so you won't have to watch them "thirty fucking times on television".by the way, there was some pretty good music happening 30 years ago(actually 28 years ago since supes 1 came out in 1978); stones had just released Some Girls, Springsteen's Darkness on the Edge of Town, zeppelin's Presence...could go on and on. its like you're hating the movie just to hate it, SEE THE FUCKING MOVIE, THEN TALK SHIT IF YOU MUST.
Better than dedicating this film to Reeve would be... by half vader	Jun 18th, 2006 07:41:00 AM
If they didn't release that Yankee Something animated movie of his which looks like such a jingoistic abomination it will muddy his name. On the other hand, maybe it could force a return to 2-d features!
Newsweek called this "kitsch" like it's a positive... by genro	Jun 18th, 2006 08:27:23 AM

Singer could have paid tribute without copying by Dasher	Jun 18th, 2006 09:30:24 AM
Singer could have done his own take on Superman and still given props to Donner. The Williams theme, Brando footage, and Reeve dedication would have been enough. He didn't need to redo the origin, but he certainly could have used new villains or gone back to the comics for story ideas. As I've said, the movie we're getting will be a version of somone else's version - a copy of a copy.
About the Donner movies. by FluffyUnbound	Jun 18th, 2006 10:53:24 AM
I find it difficult to argue too much with Superman I. Gene Hackman plays Luthor for laughs, true, but because he's GENE FUCKING HACKMAN it works. Could Lois have been cast better? Sure. But Reeve was simply Superman. The Ma & Pa Kent stuff was simply note perfect, an amazing little piece of Americana filmmaking that betters anything Spielberg ever did and which struck exactly the right tone for the film. The "reveal" of Superman in Metropolis during his "debut night" beats every other comic book film out there for handling that sort of thing. And the movie has Brando. Of course, II has some silly stuff in it, but it was hugely entertaining as General Zod: The Movie. The villains stomping on Apollo 27 or whatever # it was supposed to be and then going on their little road trip through small town America all the way to the Oval Office is simply great stuff. I could have done without the flying plastic S, but you can't have everything. So I don't really see how anyone could describe the Donner films as "pathetic", unless they were just so attached to one animated version or another that they simply couldn't deal with a reasonable film version designed for general appeal.
moviemack admitted, himself, that he is an idiot by JoeQuest	Jun 18th, 2006 11:48:28 AM
"Superman is an icon. His image is known by most everyone in most all countries that can claim any sort of literacy." Yes, people know of the character Superman... "He is known despite all half-assed attempts (and there have been many) to portray him in any media other than comic books." Most people don't read comics... "Donner's movie needed to be jettisoned into the Black Hole of forgotten cinema" It was a blockbuster. Most people who live in reality (not fanboydom) think of Reeve and the Donner movie when they think of Superman. A month from now, when SR has set box office records, I suspect you'll have a few records of your own: The most hotpockets and Dr. Pepper's consumed at a computer while spreading your fanboy wisdom and telling the critics and the moviegoers they are wrong. Record setter. Epic. Blockbuster. moviemack whines, "It ain't true... (sob!) It sucks!... "
Way to destroy your cred with your screen name... by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jun 18th, 2006 12:07:39 PM
"Vash the Stampede?" I mean, am I really gonna take a manga kid's advice about a movie based on a real comic? I think not.
ObiWan_yaknowme by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jun 18th, 2006 12:12:00 PM
Actually, Bill explained it WORST in Kill Bill 2, because he got it totally backwards. Clark is the real identity and Superman is the disguise. Bill is actually describing Batman, not Superman. Your geek-fu--much like Tarantino's--is very weak.
Bill was right... by LazarusRevival	Jun 18th, 2006 12:45:21 PM
Think of it this way. How many superheroes actually show there faces as part of their uniform. I am sure there are a few more besides Superman, like Wonder Woman, and Aqua-man, but the point is, is that they don
Bill was wrong. by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jun 18th, 2006 01:41:42 PM
As any fanboy with an ounce of comic book knowledge knows. Bruce Wayne died the day his parents were killed and the Batman was born. Batman is his true identity and Bruce Wayne is a disguise/ruse that he must keep up by attending black-tie functions with supermodels on his arm... But he would rather be out stopping crime on the streets of Gotham. Superman, on the other hand, is a perfect example of nurture winning out in the nature vs. nurture debate. He is an alien with god-like powers that could easily subdue the entire planet under his rule. Why doesn't he? The reason is simple: Because he was raised by the Kents and he REALLY IS Clark Kent the midwest farm-boy. That's why an alien being fights for truth, justice, and the American way. Because he really IS Clark Kent. If there are any other Tarantino worshippers who would like to step up and get served, please do.
Jar Jar 4 prez by ObiWan_yaknowme	Jun 18th, 2006 02:56:09 PM
How can you possibly justify that rationale? Kal-El is the last son of Krypton, he was BORN Superman. Kal-El is the true persona. He takes OFF the Clark Kent disguise to reveal Superman, he doesn't put the Supes costume on, it's ALWAYS there. The Clark Kent persona is his dayjob. It's Kal-El's way of assimilating into society and culture. Clark Kent is Kal-El's adopted persona, just as his humanity is adopted. He isn't Clark Kent pretending to be Superman, he is Superman pretedning to be Clark Kent. Does he act the part in solitude? No. Bruce Wayne dons a cowl and modifies his behavior when he becomes Batman. He becomes an agent to inspire fear. Superman dumbs himself down to become Clark Kent. It's really simple, and you speak of servings? heh heh
It is really simple by LazarusRevival	Jun 18th, 2006 03:31:23 PM
If the Clark Kent persona is who he really is and not a disguise, why does he have to wear glasses? I hope you don't say, "step up and get served" out loud.
I'm gonna have to go with... by tango fett	Jun 18th, 2006 03:52:04 PM
Clark being Superman's alter ego.
just a few points... by BALTIMOREJACK	Jun 18th, 2006 05:58:16 PM
great post fluffyunbound...hilarious post joequest...and jar jar 4 prez, you are just plain wrong.
Hey!!! by ObiWan_yaknowme	Jun 18th, 2006 06:11:48 PM
Speaking of which, does everyone remember that Garbage Pail Kids card "Clark CANT???" Bwwwwah hah hah God that was so simple then but hilarious. Good times.
In the movies Clark is the disguise. by JUSTICE41	Jun 18th, 2006 06:35:30 PM
But only because he changed his mannerism from when he was a kid in Smallville to the nerdish Clark in Metropolis, to hide . Even in the Cartoons when Clark went home he didn't take off his work clothes. You guys are reaching a conclusion that you want, not a reality that is. Before there was a Superman there was Clark Kent. Methinks you guys are just trying to bash Smallville and just don't have any smarter way to do it. It's a goofy show, but it cements the fact that Clark is real and Superman a disguise. He uses the Supes disguise to hide his good deeds. Kinda like the many faceless, nameless, cops, firefighters, military folk, paramedics so on so on. Didn't James Caan do a movie called ,"Hide in plain site"?
Superman's child will probably be a more interesting by Novaman5000	Jun 18th, 2006 06:39:09 PM
character than Superman is because at least he's HALF human, and probably not invincible. That's always hurt the superman story in my eyes... the only way he can be hurt is by kryptonite and that shit is everywhere at the worst possible time. It's just oh-so-convenient.
Novaman5000 by RetroActive	Jun 18th, 2006 07:09:33 PM
Yeah, but how is he half human? If, like some of them have suggested, this is loosely linked to Supe II, Kent was "human" aka powerless when he slept with Lois. Therefore, the kid shouldn't have any powers at all, right? But then again...who really cares?
Hmmmmmm by FluffyUnbound	Jun 18th, 2006 07:15:09 PM
When Supes goes to the Fortress of Solitude and is just chillin' and shit, is he in the Clark Kent outfit, or the Superman outfit?
He's in uniform, costume. Kinda like Peter Parker's by JUSTICE41	Jun 18th, 2006 07:21:51 PM

Anytime he does what Superman does, he's in Uniform. by JUSTICE41	Jun 18th, 2006 07:29:10 PM
For the most part. SWAT doesn't go into a hostile situation with t-shirts and shorts on only. How many here works a job that requires you to wear a uniform/costume? Is that you or is it you before you put the costume on.
Of mountains and molehills by ObiWan_yaknowme	Jun 18th, 2006 08:53:16 PM
Firstly, no one is dissing on Steaming pileville, frankly I dont care enough about the program TO infact diss on it. There are some perverted and distorted views on Superman being vomited around on the site and I guess it's time for a history lesson- because it isn't that difficult. Little Kal-El was born on Krypton shortly before it's destruction. His noble father decides the shit about to go down won't affect his only son, so he sends him to Planet Earth. Little Kal-El is discovered by Ma and Pa Kent in bumfuck U.S.A. and he is instilled with all of the white bred, Wal-Mart shopping, conservative views an alien can be spoon fed. Hence Clark Kent. Superman for the first half of his life is very much a character with amnesia. Amnesia as to his true idenitity and origins. As he discoveres his true identity and origins, Kal-El adopts the persona of Clark Kent as his disguise to the world. He is Kal-El, the last son of krypton and Earths greatest champion. He moonlights as Clark Kent , a mild mannered reporter at the daily planet because it best puts him in the position to be on top of the news, rather than Clark Kent, your mild mannered Wal-Mart greeter in Bum fuck U.S.A (BONG!!! You have activated Wal-Marts automatic inventory control blah blah "This looks like a job for SUPERMAN!") Let's review. Kal-El adopts the persona of Clark Kent to the world so he can save people and so that his enemies cant hurt him. He WAS Clark Kent,before he knew who he TRULY was. He discovered his inner Krypton and made Clark Kent a role. If nothing else, you can argue that Superman is the ultimate schizophrenic and makes the petty little personality issues of a Batman or Hulk or morality issues of a Wolverine or whoever, look like Jungian shit smeared in Freudian poopie.
Read your own quote idiot. "This looks like a job for?" by JUSTICE41	Jun 18th, 2006 09:25:17 PM
Who? SUPERMAN! A Job, it's his second Job.
Funny even in the comics, those who know who he is by JUSTICE41	Jun 18th, 2006 09:27:06 PM
Call him by his...What? Name? Clark. Thas right. Wonderwoman and Bruce wayne call Clark, Clark in or out of costume.
Hey Justice by ObiWan_yaknowme	Jun 18th, 2006 09:40:30 PM
Stick a fat one down your mouth and choke on it tool. If you can't comprehend the dynamics of a fucking comic book character, I'm not going to waste my time sititng here trying to explain it to you. Asshole.
Superman II redux by ObiWan_yaknowme	Jun 18th, 2006 09:58:20 PM
That's true Gandalf. Has anyone heard anything else new about the new version of Supes II being released on DVD? There was some buzz about it but since then it's been quiet. Hmmmmm
There are two Clark Kents and then Kal-El/Superman by Regicidal_Maniac	Jun 18th, 2006 10:12:05 PM
I had a conversation with Mark Waid about this last year. There's Smallville Clark, aka weekend Clark or at home Clark and there's Metropolis Clark. Metropolis Clark IS a disguise but Smallville Clark is real. Kal is who he was born and Superman is what he can do. So in essence Kal and Smallville Clark are the same person whereas Metropolis Clark and to a lesser degree Superman are both disguises.
Thanks Redicidal, you just made my point for me by JUSTICE41	Jun 18th, 2006 11:50:44 PM
Unlike the idiot above who knows nothing about nothing, but his own hate. Now You my friend Obo can not only eat my dick but balls and the stool I'll be dumping on your face and neck. Lap it up moron.
by LazarusRevival	Jun 19th, 2006 12:49:58 AM
Clark Kent is the secret identity of Superman. Kent, as opposed to Superman, is traditionally presented as behaving in a more introverted or "mild-mannered" manner compared to his superheroic self. John Byrne's The Man of Steel revamp drops many traditional aspects of Clark Kent in favor of giving him a more aggressive and extroverted personality, including making Kent a top football player in high school and a successful author. Recent storylines restore elements of the earlier "mild-mannered" version of Kent.
common Superman Returns gripes by zooch	Jun 19th, 2006 01:13:27 AM
the costume: The spandex looks great, the colors are very pleasing, I like how the
zooch, you PLANT! It's not an ADAPTATION of a comicbook by Regicidal_Maniac	Jun 19th, 2006 01:18:06 AM
It's an ADAPTATION of Richard Donner's 1978 Superman The Movie. Singer never read a comic in his life. He loves Donner's film, not the comics or even the character. What's he gonna do next? A quasi remake sequel to Jaws? If that fucker touches Bruce the shark I'll keeeel heeem.
ObiWan_yaknowme by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jun 19th, 2006 10:24:33 AM
You're pretty much fucking retarded. You refuse to acknowledge the evidence presented to you. You say: "As he discoveres his true identity and origins, Kal-El adopts the persona of Clark Kent as his disguise to the world." Wrong! He grew up as Clark Kent. He parents and friends called him Clark. When he raised his hand to be called on in school the teacher didn't say "Yes, Superman, can you name the first president of the United States?" The Kents didn't call him "little Kal-El" as he was growing up, they called him Clark. He was Clark all along and BECAME Superman later in his life to try and help people. That's because he really is Clark and Superman is a disguise that he uses to do a job. These facts are not just known by people like me who have read the comics, watched the movies, and worked in comic stores for 15 years. These facts are known by anyone who even has a passing familiarity with Superman's character. You, Bill, and Tarantino are completely wrong and no amount of whining or swear words will make you right... So just give up already. To summarize: You're completely wrong and uninformed and you simply take anything that Quentin Tarantino spews as fact because you're a complete fucking moron who can't think for himself.
LazarusRevival by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jun 19th, 2006 10:28:29 AM
No, I do not say "step up and get served" out loud. That's because I never meet any people as stupid as you in my day to day life. The only place to find your level of idiot is here at good ol' AICN.
why the insults? by LazarusRevival	Jun 19th, 2006 11:12:41 AM
I never said you say, "step up and get served" out loud. I asked you if you did. Read it again before you decide to comment. By the way, I didn't type my last post; I copied and pasted it from the Superman mythos. Great thing about the world is that people have different opinions and points of view, and then there are people that condemn others for not sharing theirs. Nice!
LazarusRevival by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jun 19th, 2006 02:41:26 PM
I never said that you said that I say "step up and get served" out loud. I was simply responding to your asinine comment, as I am now. You copied and pasted your post from the "Superman mythos"--What the fuck does that mean? You're a complete fucking moron. Learn to write a coherent sentence or I will be forced to serve you yet again.
Oh no!!! I might be served... by LazarusRevival	Jun 19th, 2006 03:42:43 PM
The Superman
by LazarusRevival by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jun 19th, 2006 06:45:10 PM
What the fuck are you talking about anyway? You clipped your post from the entire history of the character? You clipped stuff from the Golden Age of Superman for your post? You clipped stuff from Infinite Crisis in your post? You don't even make any sense. You're such a retard that you can't even figure out how to cite a source. You're just rambling and not making any sense at all... Just give it up.
Clark or Superman ... Who's the real him? by Mr_Satan	Jun 19th, 2006 11:05:28 PM
The guy is Clark. Period! He was born Kal-El and was raised as Clark. He then later when he was all grown up that he is from Krypton. That doesn't change how he was and who he identifies himself as. Like Lazarus stated any half a fanboy knows that. And all the fucking other heros call him fucking Clark. All. The Fucking Heros, including Martian Fucking Manhunter. And can that name be any more gay? I mean really Manhunter. So can we dweebs please move on to something like why was Chloe made to use Lois Lane as her Non de Plum.
error by Mr_Satan	Jun 19th, 2006 11:29:44 PM
I'm starting to write like you jagoffs with all the misspelling. I meant why Chloe didn't use Lois Lane as her writers name. Gawd. I must get my cool back. I'm going to watch a movie you all will probably hate so I cleanse myself of geekdom before someone I know finds out Iv'e been writing on AICN.
moviesmack you can't read. by sillypig	Jun 20th, 2006 02:11:49 AM
Where did I suggest remaking The Godfather? Read it again, I'm not gonna bother explaining what I meant if something as easy as my post couldn't be understood!
Hey Jar Jar 4 prez by ObiWan_yaknowme	Jun 20th, 2006 05:20:48 AM
It sounds to me like you need to go BACK to working at the comic book store cocksucker, because your pedantic, insipid, juvenile logic merely serves to reinforce the fact you wasted the majority of your life reading comic books when you SHOULD have been in college you fucking wank tool cunt. Don't presume to lecture me on ANYTHINg as an authority you peice of shit. I SAID Clark Kent is the false persona and thats fucking good enough for ME, so go jerk off to Smallville you half baked ,sawed off, Trisby 21, chromosome missing, mongoloid looking cocksucker.
Hey Jar Jar 4 prez by ObiWan_yaknowme	Jun 20th, 2006 05:22:02 AM
It sounds to me like you need to go BACK to working at the comic book store cocksucker, because your pedantic, insipid, juvenile logic merely serves to reinforce the fact you wasted the majority of your life reading comic books when you SHOULD have been in college you fucking wank tool cunt. Don't presume to lecture me on ANYTHINg as an authority you peice of shit. I SAID Clark Kent is the false persona and thats fucking good enough for ME, so go jerk off to Smallville you half baked ,sawed off, Trisby 21, chromosome missing, mongoloid looking cocksucker.
ObiWan_yaknowme by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jun 20th, 2006 10:58:58 AM
Hah! That's all you got--A string of swear words and a "I said it, so it's good enough for me!" Yeah, that's logic all right. You're the fucking retarded cretin that needs to go to school. For your information, I graduated college with a 4.0 in English Literature and I fucking hate Smallville. So... That's just two MORE reasons that you're an idiotic waste of skin. You've got absolutely nothing and I'll lecture you with authority on every subject that I know more about than you--Which, apparently, is just about everything. You have officially been OWNED. Give up now.
ObiWan_yaknowme by Jar Jar 4 Prez	Jun 20th, 2006 11:02:58 AM
One more thing: Do you even have any fucking idea what the word "pedantic" means? The question is rhetorical because you obviously don't. Suck a fart straight outta my ass!
^^^Now that I'd like to see^^^ by sillypig	Jun 20th, 2006 09:09:25 PM

Obi-Wan you COULD argue that Supes is the ultimate by half vader	Jun 20th, 2006 09:28:02 PM
schizo, but you'd be wrong because schizophrenia does NOT mean multiple personality disorder. Faark!
Suck a fart ... by half vader	Jun 20th, 2006 10:59:40 PM
All this time later and I still can't get that out of my head!

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