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UPDATED: Danny Elfman Removes His Credit From NACHO LIBRE!?!?

One more rare Elfman score I'll have to look for on eBa by Sela5	Jun 12th, 2006 11:03:09 PM
Sucks that such an amazing composer has such bad luck with studios and directors lately (Raimi anyone...)
Whatever by Chadillac69	Jun 12th, 2006 11:03:29 PM
He can weed through that soap opera- I'll weed through Bridget Fonda.
thats pretty interesting by rubensreviews	Jun 12th, 2006 11:03:30 PM
but will it be a great movie regardless?
Oh, and BTW 1st (and second).... by Sela5	Jun 12th, 2006 11:04:10 PM
and this will be my first and last time...
primary contributor by kahootz	Jun 12th, 2006 11:04:29 PM
Interesting. I'm sure he still got paid
good. by DAS JANKE	Jun 12th, 2006 11:04:37 PM
he hasn't done anything memorable since batman.
Well... by kidkosmic	Jun 12th, 2006 11:06:10 PM
I will be seeing this film on Friday at any rate.
Nothing memorable since Batman???? by Sela5	Jun 12th, 2006 11:07:29 PM
I'm assuming thats not counting Edward Scissorhands, or Black Beauty, or Nightmare Before Christmas, or Good Will hunting, or Dolores Claiborne...all of them great scores
Elfman is King by son_of_morrissey	Jun 12th, 2006 11:10:06 PM
And Jenna Elfman is Queen.
rut roh? by Datascream	Jun 12th, 2006 11:11:42 PM
and so it begins...
Weird by Johnny Anarchy	Jun 12th, 2006 11:14:34 PM
Hmm...before I was beginning to wonder if maybe Sam Raimi was in the wrong in the whole Spider-Man 2 debacle with Elfman. Now I am wondering if maybe Elfman is the one going nuts.
Spider-Man and Elfman by seanny_d	Jun 12th, 2006 11:25:16 PM
After watching Spidey 1 and 2 back to back, you can kind of see how Elfman wasn't responsible for a lot of the music in #2. The opening credits cue was used twice during the progression of the movie where it wasn't used anywhere but the opening credits in the first one. I think the first one's score was much better. Even so, either Elfman is getting really stingy and selfish with his music or everyone's picking on him. I'm guessing it's the former, but what do I know?
So when has he had his name taken off before? by iamnicksaicnsn	Jun 12th, 2006 11:26:31 PM
Did he get his name taken off of Spider-Man 2? Or are you refering to the fact that, if I remember correctly, he's not scoring S-M3? And don't forget MIB, that shit was gang-busters.
Elfman has become too big for his britches by Zeke25:17	Jun 12th, 2006 11:26:54 PM
I'm sorry--first he beefs about Spider-Man 2's music not being his (newsflash: it took his existing melodies and punched em up, with the end result being a far better score, to my ears, than what was heard in Spidey 1); THEN there's a problem with this, which I doubt sincerely ANYONE is gonna attend so they can hear how marvelous the music is (or ain't)! It's frickin NACHO LIBRE, not Star Wars; and Elfman hasn't written a noteworthy score since Batman (Scissorhands, though, is his most beautiful and chill-inducing). Who gives a crap if his name is on the credits or not? Hell, most viewers wouldn't notice if it said MUSIC BY JOE SCHMOE, or care--and some of them probably think the actors just make up the words as they go along! Isn't it kinda funny that we never hear Williams or Shore or JN Howard complaining about how THEY were mistreated?
I also thought his Red Dragon score was the shit. by iamnicksaicnsn	Jun 12th, 2006 11:30:09 PM
But I didn't like the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory stuff for the simple reason that after seeing it twice in the theaters it was almost impossible to hear the singing.
Elfman has a long history of folks crapping on him by bmsatter	Jun 12th, 2006 11:35:31 PM
Ever since he took on Batman folks have been busting on Elfman (much of it completely unwarranted). He's had to repeatedly prove himself outside of his music...what he writes, how he writes, etc. And why? They never did that to Williams or Shore or Howard....He's had to endure that his whole career. For the most part he's done well handling it and his career blossomed despite of it. But in the end I'll cut him some latitude and allow him to bitch back whenever he wants to. He's earned it.
with a score that by EUROPA	Jun 12th, 2006 11:39:25 PM
"with a score that
Lest we forget his feud with Tim Burton... by The Guy Who Nods	Jun 12th, 2006 11:39:55 PM
Notice Ed Wood's music is done by Howard Shore. And the circumstances behind this one-movie break-up are still kinda vague. I'm starting to think Elfman is a prima donna.
Way to contradict yourself, Zeke... by Freddie Mercury	Jun 12th, 2006 11:40:22 PM
and does this even matter? The majority of his score is still there, right? It's not like it matters when Gary Oldman takes his name off of a film he's acted in. He's still there and he's still fantastic.
people, get your shit together! by Holodigm	Jun 12th, 2006 11:44:37 PM
realize that batman came BEFORE scissorhands. every time elfman comes up people say scissorhands is his best, but everything after batman is shit. Batman - '89, Scissorhands - '90. i'm a patient person, but i'm tired of everyone getting their dates wrong on this. learn it, love it, quit fucking up. please.
Elfman sucks by wolack22	Jun 12th, 2006 11:46:51 PM
and so does soccer
Nacho Libre looks awful by Bob of the Shire	Jun 12th, 2006 11:47:38 PM
Napolean Dynamite was terrible, this doesn't look any better. Danny Elfman is awesome though.
Elfman has his moments, but hest still not by slder78	Jun 13th, 2006 12:06:52 AM
in the league of Williams, Goldsmith, or Kamen. Hans Zimemer maybe.
Napoleon Dynamite was atrocious by Rainbow Cotton	Jun 13th, 2006 12:10:47 AM
I don't see how this will be any better unless Uncle Rico has a cameo. He was the only decent character in dynamite, but that's not saying much. Well, at least the girl playing the nun is cute!
I'm right here by bmsatter	Jun 13th, 2006 12:17:52 AM
:-)
Anatomy of and AIC talkback. by Azlam Orlandu	Jun 13th, 2006 12:26:41 AM
1 - News breaks. 2 - Someone says something completely ingrate-like. 3 - Everyone bitches about how irrational the post was. 4 - Original poster is validated in a meager and unsatisfying way. 5 - Repeat cycle. 6 - Start posting on RT where there's a little more room for acceptance against the faceless entity cunts of AIC.
Borat Movie Trailer!! by OB Wan Afghani	Jun 13th, 2006 12:27:50 AM
Borat Movie Trailer!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =cOTpfkfS-2k
Maybe Elfman should collaborate with JDanielP? by kintar0	Jun 13th, 2006 12:28:06 AM
After all, he could be one of the greatest Fantasy directors ever, if only he's handed the chance.
Spidey should NOT have had a Elfman score. by Shermdawg	Jun 13th, 2006 12:31:33 AM
I just don't think that really matched up well with Pete's character. Well, maybe the funeral scenes, but otherwise, no. Oh yeah, and Tobey isn't that great either.
Maybe Elfman Should Stop Writing the Same Score by SeedyAl	Jun 13th, 2006 12:37:04 AM
for every movie he does.
THE REAL REASON ELFMAN REMOVED CREDIT!!! by Shermdawg	Jun 13th, 2006 12:37:23 AM
Top left corner of this page.
Bartek by Loosejerk	Jun 13th, 2006 12:41:18 AM
Bartek is a sonabitch of a guitar player. Him, Danny, and I think another Oingo Boingo member are actually used as names for creatures in World of Warcraft. I shit you negative.
SOCCER SUCKS!! by wolack22	Jun 13th, 2006 12:47:33 AM
booooooo soccer
Hey by casinoskunk	Jun 13th, 2006 01:11:31 AM
He got his shit fucked with in a way he did not like, so he decided that he did want that product to represent him. Its that simple. If a bathroom smells really bad, i dont want to be associated with taking the shit.
by Shaz_bot80	Jun 13th, 2006 01:31:36 AM
Danny Elfman just doesn't want to take credit for what he didn't write. Alot of artists, writers, directors and composers have done the very same thing.
All the same by Blood Simple	Jun 13th, 2006 01:38:50 AM
It's not like everyone won't be able to tell that it's Elfman anyway...everything he does sounds the exact same (it just all happens to be genius).
There seem to be two Danny Elfmans by half vader	Jun 13th, 2006 01:45:19 AM
The one who regurgitates the same damn church-bell chiming score ad nauseum since Family Dog (yes Batman is a great score and theme but I still can't believe how close Spiderman is to it), and the one who does non-grandstanding scores to movies like A Simple Plan. I like his stuff, and love Scissorhands and NBX, but his Corpse bride stuff was so awful and twee (in my subjective opinion) that it ruined the whole movie (well, that and the half-arsed story). As for mixing and stuff, if anyone can make out what the fuck is being sung in Corpse and moreso in C&TCF then you get a medal from me. Unless you're Elfman who in retrospect is probably the only one who can.
suckers! by casinoskunk	Jun 13th, 2006 01:49:07 AM
if you knew anything about elfman's history, you would know that he has a very diverse history. and whoever says that zimmer is the next williams or goldsmith, does not know shit about film scores. by the way if anyone is notorious for sounding the 'same', its hans zimmer.
Sorry, amphoteric, but Pee-wee and Beetlejuice... by Lenny Nero	Jun 13th, 2006 01:53:14 AM
...are great scores too. Tales from the Crypt? Even Back to School. Stop trying to be contradictory. Hell, MIB1 was good.
You'd Be Surprised... by TheRealMoriarty	Jun 13th, 2006 01:55:31 AM
... how often the composer gets royally fucked around by the filmmakers in ways that boil down to simple philosophical differences about the work. It's not uncommon for a score to be locked, and then a filmmaker decides to change the cut some more and just hacks up the music cues in the process. Makes composers crazy, and I'm sure it's happened to Elfman more than once.
Elfman gets a lot of shit.... by MattCG	Jun 13th, 2006 02:09:27 AM
...and you can accuse him of self-plagerization all you want, but I like his music, it fits the films he does and more often than not, accents the movie it's in, instead overwhelming it. You want to bitch about a composer? Bitch about Hans "YOU WILL FEEL SOMETHING RIGHT FUCKING NOW!" Zimmer. That motherfucker is out of control and needs to be stopped. Danny Elfman is cool in my book. It's a damn shame Raimi has grown too big that stupid fucking suit he wears in 100 degree heat to realize it.
Elfman rules! And I will personally boycott this movie! by Xeniten	Jun 13th, 2006 02:11:59 AM
Nuff said!
Such a sad life by Outrider304	Jun 13th, 2006 02:35:40 AM
I don't have a lot of compassion for film composers. They have a talent to be sure, and Elfman has has some memorable scores, but the director makes the calls. If you want to maintain the integrity of your score, then compose for the symphony and play in front of classical listeners. If you want to compose for film and television, you do what you're told, and you accept that they may cut it up. I'm sure his check is still cashing. Cry baby.
Moriarty by seanny_d	Jun 13th, 2006 02:37:14 AM
Yeah, but doesn't the director have to treat the music like anything else in the picture? I mean, sometimes actors work ridiculously hard on a scene and they might even feel that it's their best ever. But if the director doesn't feel like it works in the context of the movie, then it might get cut. I see no difference with music. The music might be spectacular, but if it doesn't really seem to fit the scene in the director's/editor's/wh oever's eyes, then so be it. I'm not negating the hard work they put into it, but it's a collaborative process and it just seems like Elfman is more concerned with himself.
Rainbow Cotton-Looks like there's a lot you don't know by Orionsangels	Jun 13th, 2006 03:59:34 AM

Scores by moviebrat	Jun 13th, 2006 04:10:48 AM
Jerry Goldsmith had the same happen to him on Alien, in fact Ridley Scott put some of Goldsmiths old scores in the film so it sounded as if he was really repeating him self. Goldsmith was annoyed and fought and complained but ultimately didn't take his name off the credits. Why? Professionalism maybe? Oh and then is gracious enough to work with Ridley Scott again on Legend and creates what is one of the most amazing scores ever created. Which is then chopped up as the film was and even replaced with Tangerine freaking Dream for the American version!!! Goldsmith was a true genius. His score for Legend was pure genius, but ultimately he'd take a deep breath and get on with the next one. There is no one to come close to him at the moment. Williams is the only old school composer, who truly understands the art, left, unless Horner can buck his ideas up and get back to the complete self plagiarising, but ultimately fun and humable scores he did pre Titanic.
Let him take his name off. by mrfan	Jun 13th, 2006 05:12:35 AM
No big deal. People in Hollyweird do it all the time. That is they way the business works. Sometimes you screw them. Other times they screw you. He is a good composer. There is no denying that. Still, maybe he needs to realize that he just doesn't have the final say in the finished product. If it has happened to him before then he should know this instead of acting like a big baby. I bet he wasn't crying when they paid him.
Isn't he pissed at Raimi about SpiderMan2 music too? by Swarmy	Jun 13th, 2006 05:17:46 AM
...and that he won't be involved with Spiderman 3? Dunno what exactly the rift with Raimi was about on part 2. Seems hes been having plenty of drama on soundtracks lately.
It's so hypocritical to be upset about this... by Rodimus Ben	Jun 13th, 2006 05:49:47 AM
...when this sort of thing happens to WRITERS all the time, to the point where you sometimes can't even count the number of writers who have worked on a film with your ten fingers. Why are people getting so upset that a composer gets stiffed every once in a while when someone messes with his contribution to a film, when tampering with scripts is so common that no one so much as bats an eye? I know that the script is malleable and subject to change by the director and improvisation by the actors, and will of course lose segments in the editing room, but I'm talking about the propensity for studios to hire writer after writer to create a "blockbuster" that pleases money-grubbing studio execs, to the point at which the majority of the writers who work on the project never even see screen credit. You cay "hey, that's the business--" fine, then don't expect me to be upset about one composer whose creative decisions were overriden.
Thanks, OB Wan Afghani! by theBigE	Jun 13th, 2006 07:03:29 AM
Been waiting for that trailer. Scoring quibbles for a B-Movie? Ho-hum. Any COOL news?
MIDNIGHT RUN IS FANTASTIC by Samson_K	Jun 13th, 2006 07:31:40 AM
Let's face it Elfman can afford to do this these days!!! It's not as though he's a struggling composer who needs the credits anymore - people will hire him! He, like all other composers have had a history of being fecked about - I believe that 'Scrooged' was one such example where the majority of his score was jettisoned for rubbish pop songs. (What is there is some of his best work). I think that if he can have the integrity and balls to do this then fair play to him
Sleepy Hollow by GreedoNeverShot	Jun 13th, 2006 08:28:57 AM
Elfman's "Sleepy Hollow" score is BY FAR my favorite he has ever done. Anyone who thinks he hasn't done any good work since "Batman" is a friggin' idiot.
Elfman sucks away the passion by Cory849	Jun 13th, 2006 08:37:34 AM
Hollywood uses Elfman in too many things that are beyond his skill set. Elfman likes his scores to sound distinctive. In order to do that his trick is to give primacy to the Low strings and brass section at the expense of the rest of the orchestra . He just doesnt like doing orchestra the "obvious" way. So you end up with a lot of scores where the action scenes dont have enough oomph in the music. Elfman is fine for creating a distinctive sound (and is perfect for a guy like tim burton, who always brings the quirky) but Im sure directors find him very quirky and irritating to work with when they just need someone to provide a powerful action beat. Personally I thought he sucked the life right out of some of the scenes in the Spider-man movies. Actually one scene in particular is illustrative - remember the scene from the trailer where spidey gets dragged along pavement by his webs (kinda surfing the street?) - with the trailer music that scene sounded awesome. I was ready to jump out of my seat and go help spidey myself. Elfman's treatment of the same scene...bleh.
Elfman still scores movies? by CrispyOne	Jun 13th, 2006 08:48:09 AM
Man, Elfman music is so 1980's. He totally doesn't grow as a composer. They should let him take his name AND his music off the movie, and get someone else.
At this point, I could write a Danny Elfman score by Duck of Death	Jun 13th, 2006 08:48:23 AM
All I need to do is rearrange the Peewee Herman theme at varying tempos as throw in some haunting choral voices. That's all he's been doing for years so why couldn't anyone?
Duck, Family Dog was before Peewee, wasn't it? by half vader	Jun 13th, 2006 08:57:39 AM
It's all there, baby. And you forgot the church bells.
Yes, his stuff has started to sound the same over time by Terry_1978	Jun 13th, 2006 09:14:54 AM
The only one as of late that was remotely unique was his Chocolate Factory one from last year. Mars Attacks!, Beetlejuice, Batman, Scissorhands, and the Simpsons are the ones he's most well known for.
Every cue has to end with a gong by Deep Cover	Jun 13th, 2006 09:32:11 AM
You would think that's in his contract, it happens so often.
Now if they could just get rid of Jenna Elfman! by Darth Bono Jr.	Jun 13th, 2006 09:36:11 AM
Like, say, off the face of the Earth.
However says that after Batman he hasn't done anything. by Sela5	Jun 13th, 2006 09:46:21 AM
..I think you may want to revisit many of his post Batman scores. You might be a bit surprised. Dolores Claiborne, the Family Man, Proof of Life or Big Fish, are good examples. Sure, for every Dolores Claiborne, there is a Hulk or a Spider-Man, but it happens with all composers. I love Goldsmith, but in the same year you could get Rudy on one side, or Malice on the other.... Back to Elfman, check out his "Music for a Darkened theatre Vol.2" and listen to hidden gems like Dead Presidents. I really hope it may open you up to his talent a bit more.
In other movie music news, Gyorgy Ligeti has died by WeirdEd	Jun 13th, 2006 10:06:21 AM
He may not have been a movie composer per se, but his music was a major part of one of the biggest movies ever made: 2001 A Space Odyssey. He was 83. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200 60613/people_nm/arts_ligeti_dc _2
They only have themselves to blame by BendersShinyAss	Jun 13th, 2006 10:35:41 AM
the way they make these films is all departments working together at the same time. If they take the time to get a fairly decent cut of the film before the composer is brought on, then he can score the vision instead of the rough cut dailies. But I think Elfman might be a bit of a baby here. Granted i don't know the full story and he may have been shit all over during this films production, however, lets not forget that when your putting together a film, EVERYTHING is manipuated. Sound. Dialogue. photography. sometimes the final cut is a totally new entity to what the initial production was set out to be. Personally, I always thought Willams suffered the most from Lucas on the star wars prequels. Total disregard for the man genius. Elfman's best score have always been the 'fun' films. Batman, Edward Scissorhands, MIB, etc. Spiderman was a big mistake. so was raimie for that matter. Piece of shit films. there I said it!
Nachooooooooooooooooooooo!!! by R.C. the "Wise"	Jun 13th, 2006 10:52:46 AM

who says it's not my libre? by durhay	Jun 13th, 2006 11:03:33 AM

He wrote the Simpsons theme... by dplatt	Jun 13th, 2006 11:18:22 AM
...so he's going to be immortal for at least one thing. OTOH, he's always seemed kind of a whiner - he complained when Prince's Batman songs were released as an album, sniffing that it wasn't a "real soundtrack," which was ironic considering that Oingo Boingo made a living doing filler songs on soundtracks. BTW, Shore's music for Ed Wood was probably the best Burton score ever.
The irony by bmsatter	Jun 13th, 2006 11:21:05 AM
So many whiners complaining that Elfman is a whiner.
why didn't they just use the guy from Napoleon Dynamite by quadrupletree	Jun 13th, 2006 11:31:38 AM
?? That film was perfectly scored... Beck/Elfman are interesting choices to be sure, but if you've got something good going why change it? Same writer/director, same composer, it keeps a nice continuity IMHO.
The simpson has had three composers... by emeraldboy	Jun 13th, 2006 11:46:19 AM
Richard Gibbs, ALf Clausen and elfman. Has anyone see Nacho Libre. Is the first Jack Black film that is gonna tank? doesnt look to good. Maybe Paramount will ultimatley dump this on to DVD. Speaking of Jack Black, where is the Tenacious D movie.?
Jenna Elfman is an idiot by emeraldboy	Jun 13th, 2006 11:49:50 AM
Words of wisdom: aids does not exist...its a state of mind. Homer S: Doh!
I can understand Elfman by moviemaniac-7	Jun 13th, 2006 12:07:50 PM
He can be protective of his work and Zimmer and Williams aside there are maybe one or two composers whose scores don't get shit on. Listen to the use of the scores in most movies. Two or three themes and for the rest rock songs. These themes, beautiful on the cd, are fucked up by heavy editing and sound effects. Time to respect the composers!
maybe poor judgement by stvnhthr	Jun 13th, 2006 12:09:53 PM
Harry you may want to rethink your inappropriate Nacho Libre animated image. I think you were trying for humor, but if I was the Mexican wrestling federation it would cause me to revoke my support of this website.
DARKMAN! by MRJONZ72	Jun 13th, 2006 12:28:37 PM
Am I the only here who liked this Darkman score?
Benders, both he and Raimi were great on A Simple Plan by half vader	Jun 13th, 2006 12:46:34 PM
Which was probably why he got the Spiderman gig. As for 'fun' themes don't forget Beetlejuice. I don't think anyone even mentioned that one (but o again you can hear it in Family Dog).__________________Who knows if it was just hearsay but as far as I knew supposedly Williams was really pissed off when Lucas just cut-and-pasted his stuff last minute on Phantom Menace. Didn't hear anything about the next two though. Maybe he made his opinion felt and Lucas did the right thing on 2 and 3. Guess we'll never know.
Simple Plan - well that and Darkman by half vader	Jun 13th, 2006 12:47:54 PM
Sorry meant to add that before.
All of Elfman's shit sounds the same. by I Dunno	Jun 13th, 2006 01:35:02 PM
And Spider-Man had the most insipid noodling I've ever heard in a mainsteam movie. Elfman's the most overrated composer in the history of film.
Nacho Libre DOES look awful by slone13	Jun 13th, 2006 01:44:01 PM
...AWFULLY GOOD!!! And Elfman's shit all sounds the same now. It was fun till around the late 90's. Then it just started getting old. See you in hell, chumps.
Crikey... by Harysuxafat1	Jun 13th, 2006 01:52:28 PM
someone get cracking on cloning John Williams please. All these other cry baby shit "composers" can suck it and bow to the master.
Shermdawg you sure about that? by The Ender	Jun 13th, 2006 02:24:44 PM
I think Tobey does an overall good job with Playing Peter Parker/Spider-Man. And he is a hell of a lot better choice than Decrapio (yes as in DE-CRAP-EE-YO)!
Snakes on a Mexican Wrestler by Doctor_Sin	Jun 13th, 2006 02:29:21 PM
Newsflash: Elfman takes his ball and goes home. Decries the loss of artistic merit in "Nacho Libre."
YackBacker by Doctor_Sin	Jun 13th, 2006 02:34:34 PM
Goldsmith's Legend score is simply amazing and is easily one of my favorite scores. That DVD rocks.
TO DIE FOR and FREEWAY have amazing themes... by beamish13	Jun 13th, 2006 03:11:38 PM
and NIGHTMARE is probably his most accomplished work on a film, with the incidental music, theme, and songs all congealing into an amazing whole.
re: half vader by beamish13	Jun 13th, 2006 03:12:50 PM
"Family Dog" was broadcast in 1986, a year after PEE WEE was released.
re: Darth Bono Jr. by beamish13	Jun 13th, 2006 03:15:31 PM
amen to that.
What is Nacho Libre about? by godhatesyou	Jun 13th, 2006 03:37:51 PM
Is it about wrestling? I don't mean to be offensive or anything.......but this movie seems like something only Americans would like. (A bit like Jack Black)
re: godhatesyou by beamish13	Jun 13th, 2006 04:01:23 PM
it's about a Mexican priest who moonlights as a wrestler to raise money for the children at his school. It's from the same people behind NAPOLEON DYNAMITE, so if you like that crap and/or Black's atrocious mugging-as-acting, you'll probably be enthralled by this.
Who is Napoleon Dynamite? by godhatesyou	Jun 13th, 2006 04:19:29 PM
Is he a wrestler?
Elman's a thief anyway . . . by TEST_ME_BUB!!!	Jun 13th, 2006 04:25:41 PM
Okay, don
YackBacker & Doctor_Sin by moviebrat	Jun 13th, 2006 04:27:30 PM
Even though the special edition DVD of Legend has a little bit extra added, it
Batman is better than Hellraiser.... by godhatesyou	Jun 13th, 2006 04:32:01 PM
Batman hasn't had quite as many shit sequels.
by TEST_ME_BUB!!!	Jun 13th, 2006 04:43:15 PM
Sadly that has nothing to do with the point I was making.
Who will like this movie? by godhatesyou	Jun 13th, 2006 05:06:11 PM
Wrestling fans or Jack Black fans...........or is it a 'Snakes on a plane' type thing, where only people who were there at the start will like it?
Who is Napoleon Dynamite by emeraldboy	Jun 13th, 2006 05:15:51 PM
He is a character in self titled movie. Some like it some absolutely hated the movie. He lives with his brother when his mother takes off and thier obnoxious cousin comes to stay. Napoleon gets beaten up alot, makes a friend called pedro. the movie set off a fashion trend with Vote for Pedro T shirts. He has an afro, geeky glasses and adams apple and has a catchphrase " Sheesh Idiots". Napoleon Dynamite was played by Jon Heder.
re: emeraldboy Is he a hero a bad guy. by godhatesyou	Jun 13th, 2006 05:26:55 PM
A wrestler or what. Is the movie a comedy or is it action 'Napoleon Dynamite' sounds like a like a superhero/secret agent name.
actually Young scored that scene in spider-man 2 by mikey mike	Jun 13th, 2006 05:45:18 PM
that's why it sounded like Hellraizer because Raimi and the editor told him to make it sound like that. Elfman's original score for that scene along with about 80% of the stuff he wrote was tossed out
Is Napoleon Dynamite a comedy? by godhatesyou	Jun 13th, 2006 05:53:57 PM
Or is it serious?
Elfman's Most Underrated Score Is... by readingwriter	Jun 13th, 2006 06:02:24 PM
Dead Presidents. If you haven't heard it, you're in for a treat. I wish he would use his noggin' and come up with something more original for his superhero stuff, because this score proves that when he's on his game, no one can touch him.
Yes, I Dunno ... by Flickerhead	Jun 13th, 2006 06:04:37 PM
... one need only look at this talkback to see just how "overrated" Elfman is. Everyone just loves him. [end sarcasm] If you think all of Elfman shit sounds the same, you clearly haven't listened to all of his shit. Does he have a distinctive musical voice? Yes, that's what makes his interesting. He's not a cipher for the director or studio, and I, for one, wish there were more composers like him. (Oh yes, and you're all gay, live in your parents' basements, and aren't true fans. This site ain't what it used to be, the story is a plant, and first, bitches.)
Some people will fucking complain about anything. by Darkman	Jun 13th, 2006 06:08:54 PM
To anyone who thinks that Elfman's scores sound alike: clean the wax out of your ears and listen again. "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure", "Sommersby", "Batman", "Mars Attacks!", "Mission: Impossible", "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory"...they don't sound a damn thing like each other! As for the "Nacho Libre" situation, I'll see the film, just to hear what he wrote.
He left because of two words: Nacho Libre by spectrebeeyatch	Jun 13th, 2006 06:17:10 PM
Saw it a screening a week back. Horrible. The movie might be for kids under 10 and that's about it. Don't waste your money go see Cars or something.
ha! i just wrote review where i mentioned... by s0nicdeathmonkey	Jun 13th, 2006 06:41:55 PM
that this was the best score Elfman had done in years.
up and down by bah	Jun 13th, 2006 06:44:32 PM
Pee Wee's theme is his masterpiece. Simpsons is good too. But it's always bothered me that those two, as well as Tales From The Crypt are so similar. "BUM bum BUM bum BUM bum BUM bum" UP UP UP UP UP then down down down then UP UP UP then down. Batman, too, but that doesn't have the BUM bum.
and his name IS in the credits. by s0nicdeathmonkey	Jun 13th, 2006 06:47:30 PM
it listed like 26 music cues and and then said "by Danny Elfman" after just a long list of their titles. but i thought beck was doing the music in this.
much hooha by thebearovingian	Jun 13th, 2006 07:16:57 PM
I'm gonna lay it down for you guys. My favorite Elfman moment: the very end of Batman, Alfred drives off with Vicky, the camera rises up along the buildings of Gotham, the music grows stronger, higher and higher up we go toward the sky, the Bat-signal shines onto the moonlit clouds, there the caped crusader stands high above Gotham, the anthem reaches it climax, church bells, gong, fade to black. Am I crying right now? Laus Deo
That is a great Elfman moment by bmsatter	Jun 13th, 2006 07:32:28 PM
one of many
Another great Elfman moment by readingwriter	Jun 13th, 2006 08:46:35 PM
The climactic scene in Delores Claiborn, when she taunts and then runs from hubby to trick him, and the music really lets loose, gets very in your face (so to speak)--like it's telling us "Shit, you are screwed now, get the hell outta there!" and the quieter material after.
Simpsons theme = Jetsons plagiarism by CrispyOne	Jun 13th, 2006 09:54:42 PM
Same damn thing.
Jack Black and Kevin Smith should make a movie by Drunken Rage	Jun 13th, 2006 10:03:05 PM
so I can get all my hating out in one dose. GodDAMN they're both no-talented, annoying pieces of shit.
Anyone remember Fast Times (the TV series)? by Zeke25:17	Jun 13th, 2006 10:11:31 PM
Based on the totally awesome movie? Elfman wrote the theme for it; sounded like vintage Oingo Boingo. By the way, sorry about the Scissorhands slipup above; of course it came after Batman. So as far as his work goes, I'd go Scissorhands, Batman, Beetlejuice. Everything else, while OK, certainly isn't worth getting so excited about that if the guy takes his name off a movie credit we should be horrified or something.
Simpsons/Jetsons by bmsatter	Jun 13th, 2006 11:19:47 PM
It's written in the same mode (Lydian) but that's about it. Lydian is so unqiue whenever you hear it it sounds a lot like other pieces written in the same mode.
If you really want to shout plagiarism in The Simpsons by bmsatter	Jun 13th, 2006 11:21:41 PM
say that the opening chorus "The Simp-sons" is the same exact notes and rhythm as "Ma-ri-a" from West Side Story.
FORBIDDEN ZONE is an amazing score, too by beamish13	Jun 14th, 2006 12:52:38 AM
Absolutely love the theme to it (watch the trailer online for it) and his take on "Minnie the Moocher"
Hey Beamish, thanks for the correction. by half vader	Jun 14th, 2006 01:03:13 AM
Shoulda looked it up. __________ Bmsatter, that reminds me - who was it that did that joke about Beethoven being in every peice of music ever written?
To All of you Elfman Haters.... by ImperialBitch	Jun 14th, 2006 06:33:54 AM
if Elfman sucks as much as "YOU THINK HE DOES"...then why is he most directors 2nd choice if they can't get john williams?? explain that to me ?? and why is Elfman the #1 cat to go to for comic related scores?? IF JOHN WILLIAMS IS A GOD THEN ELFMAN IS JESUS. Also why is no one mentiong BEETLEJUICE, THE FRIGHTENERS,DICK TRACY,HULK(which might lead to more work with Ang Lee, even though he didn't do Brokeback Mountain-obligations)DARKMAN(l ove the circus theme)and the such. now, all of the other composers are cool in my book but they each have their faults( Talk about plagerism...Eliot Goldenthal's Batman scores HELLO????) "I'll feed you to my ipod bitch"
I before e except after c by half vader	Jun 14th, 2006 07:18:38 AM
Gah. 'Piece'.
Scientology by jasper Stillwell	Jun 14th, 2006 10:19:49 AM
Elfman's a Scientologist right? And he's schtupping Jenna Elfman? I may need to convert. Everything he does sounds the same these days - press the button for generic superhero score.....jeez....
WHAT THE HELL? by casinoskunk	Jun 14th, 2006 12:15:29 PM
Jenna Elfman married to Bhodi Elfman, Danny Elfman's Nephew! Danny is married to Bridget Fonda. To all you Zimmer Freaks: Zimmer needs to take a cue (no pun intended) from Elman and take his 'Music By' credit off of all his films that he did not do all the music for. That sucker has his cronies at Media Ventures do all his work for him. BOOOOOOOOO to Zimmer!
Jenna by jasper Stillwell	Jun 14th, 2006 12:47:42 PM
...sorry I bow to your superior knowledge here. Just the thought of Jenna Elfman caused me great trouser confusion...which is where I keep my brains.
no, Elfman is not a Scientologist by beamish13	Jun 14th, 2006 05:27:19 PM
(gott sei dank) you are confusing him with his brother Richard Elfman
TEST_ME_BUB!!! i was thinking the same thing.. by Agent sith	Jun 14th, 2006 07:38:36 PM
..while watching that particular scene in spiderman 2. but more along the lines of; "somebody is gonna get sued" for sampling Hellraiser's theme. or was the composer just paying "Homage". If anyone deserved to be taken to the cleaners, was that horrible hack of a composer Harold faltermyer,for ripping off John Carpenter's escape from new york score..can you say; Bevely hills cop 2? Elman formally of 80's band oingo boingo is The offical composer of comic cinema and the intro/theme of Hulk was one of his greatest pieces. i don'tknow about nacho libre cause i won't waste my time seeing that piece of shite.

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