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AICN COMICS REVIEWS THE THING! PUNISHER! BIG EYES FOR THE CAPE GUY! INDIE JONES AND MORE!!!

I'll catch Punisher based on this review by MKiro	Jun 7th, 2006 05:02:50 AM
'Nuff said.
First! by Florida_Fan	Jun 7th, 2006 05:04:59 AM

FIRST! by Batmankills	Jun 7th, 2006 05:17:21 AM
it pays to have a worthless job on the graves!
Ennis made read Punisher by CuervoJones	Jun 7th, 2006 05:18:10 AM
i use to hate that character, he was a hypocrite. Ennis knows the Punisher is a psycho-asshole.
i know, my english sucks by CuervoJones	Jun 7th, 2006 05:20:32 AM

Prof. Challenger's Kid by DukeOfSpiders	Jun 7th, 2006 05:36:12 AM
Prof. Challenger's kid has better reading comprehension skills than his old man. I say use him instead from now on.
I too shall check out The Punisher based on this review by RighteousBrother	Jun 7th, 2006 06:47:06 AM

haha by blackthought	Jun 7th, 2006 07:50:11 AM
so true
Love Ennis Punisher... by TELF	Jun 7th, 2006 07:53:41 AM
I really enjoy the "scatalogical" element in Ennis' work. I always felt that, while extreme, the mayhem and random atrocity in his books had a certain ring of truth. But I agree that it is not always necessary, and am glad that he now seems to make sure everything serves the story (or title) more than his tastes/impulses. For the record I actually thought Born was extraordinary too, and (as this one seems to) tied into a broader theme in the Max series Punisher that Frank had perverted his family's death into something terrible. It's an inspired and original take on what was originally a pretty useless character.
Tyger and The Cell by negamit	Jun 7th, 2006 08:25:44 AM
Two great Punisher one-shots that Marvel failed to publicize. There was some News-a-rama interviews for The Tyger when it was first announced, but that's all I ever saw. It was first said to be coming last winter. I don't think it was solicited then, but there was a bit of a delay. A friend who reads the Max series doesn't even know it came out and doesn't know I have it for me. He'll be happy. The story and execution was really great. I liked how my brain worked out what was going on in those all-black pages. Confusion to revelation, was a neat trick. -- I wouldn't have thot the "Dragon" mini at Marvel could have been any good. I think I'll put the collection on my list.
A week late... by grendelson138	Jun 7th, 2006 08:27:15 AM
But kudos last week on the Judge Dredd reviews. It is definitely one of the most underappreciated books ever. Interesting, exciting and funny. I've managed to chase down full funs of the Eagle and Quality series, and I've always wondered why there weren't sequential-type trades to help new readers catch up with all of Dredd's past. And, interesting review on the Punisher special. I've never been impressed with Ennis on Punisher. The first 12-issue mini pretty much sucked, but I did enjoy Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe. But, it definitely sounds like he's on a better track now.
Punisher: Tyger by Meglos	Jun 7th, 2006 08:29:39 AM
Actually, there is the hint that the vigilante act bookending the flashback is not in the present day, but years ago and one of the first he committed. He states that 1960 (the flashback) was 16 years ago, placing his mob hit in '76, a year the MAX title has said was when hi family was killed. That's why he repeats "They'll blame it on Vietnam."
Speaking of Marvel books with no publicity... by rev_skarekroe	Jun 7th, 2006 08:37:58 AM
...what's up with this "Last Planet Standing" thing?
War of the Worlds could be great... by Squashua	Jun 7th, 2006 08:55:31 AM
...if they packed more COMIC into the 7 pages they allot for the comic. Compared to Dan Slott's work, the entire of issue 3 could have taken up a lot of less space; more story and quicker. I'll page through the next issue in the store for meatiness before I decide whether it's worth shelling out my $$.
looks like i'll have to read punisher: the tyger by blackthought	Jun 7th, 2006 09:06:50 AM

Great Review by UncleEthan	Jun 7th, 2006 09:08:59 AM
Excellent review of "The Thing". I'd love to see more reviews like that on the site. Comics and some genre films would be better reviewed pre-irony, wide eyed, and without a life time of baggage attatched to the opinion. Great work, bubba, I hope to see more of your work.
How about reviewing real comics? by BilboRing	Jun 7th, 2006 09:22:35 AM
Spider-Man, X-Men, Batman, Super Man, etc. Who really gives a fuck about Zombie Storm or Dick Burglars? The comics you schmucks review are retarded.
The Thing is pretty much a relic at this point. by cookylamoo	Jun 7th, 2006 09:38:05 AM
Talk about your "last hero standing" the Thing is totally out of tune with the current Marvel Universe. It's like watching a mime do the "Robot" at the World Trade Site. Someone just isn't getting with the program. Is it funny. Well, kind of. Is it well drawn. Well, no. Is it moving the Thing/Alicia relationship anywhere? No. They're still just friends. Come on guys don't most of us want to see Alica banging the big rocky guy like she used to? Haven't we all imagined poor Alicia, riding the Grimmobile, and thinking she's getting it on with The Rock? This is where the black humor of the Marvel Universe rests, my friend. Dan Shott, I respect you man, but you were born twenty years too late.
Tyger by AlgertMopper	Jun 7th, 2006 09:39:21 AM
Tyger is damn good. It's sad JoeQ. won't get behind Ennis/Punisger because Bendis and Millar ain't writing it. Fucking Asshole
Prof. Jr. by rbatty024	Jun 7th, 2006 09:50:40 AM
Wow, that was a damn good review of The Thing. Nice short description of the plot followed by a short opinion, and it lacked any obnoxious and overly long biographical details. Best review...ever!
Punisher:Tyger by BayouWilly	Jun 7th, 2006 10:12:03 AM
That was some dark, dark stuff. Normally I have a pretty bleak worldview and a black sense of humor, but two things I don't mess around with are stuff involving kids and sexual assault. Sad as it is, you can make beatings and killing and drug use funny and charming, but there's no reconcilliation with anything involving kids and rape.
Nice job, Prof. Jr. by Big Bad Clone	Jun 7th, 2006 10:16:05 AM
Clear and to-the-point. Ya even managed a blind joke.
John Severin rocks by rev_skarekroe	Jun 7th, 2006 10:22:29 AM
Although there's a little part of me that sees everything he does as a Cracked Magazine parody.
Bless you, Ambush Bug by The Heathen	Jun 7th, 2006 10:36:12 AM
Now I know at least one other person has read Son of M. It's really amazing stuff. I love the story, the art, the way Hine knows that Pietro is, well
Prof Jr. by The Heathen	Jun 7th, 2006 10:45:18 AM
Honestly? That was a good review, maybe even a really good review. Clear, to the point, acknowledged the art and even had a blind joke
Son of M by Clifford Brown	Jun 7th, 2006 11:05:51 AM
I just received the first 3 issues of Son of M this morning. (I read 1-4) after downloading them. The ending of the series seems to lead into something huge as the reviewer here suggests... but how the hell is THIS going to get tied in the Civil War?
Cover of the year for me is Son of M #5 by Clifford Brown	Jun 7th, 2006 11:08:35 AM
The complete reason I got into this series is because of that cover.
Don't want to reveal the end... by Ambush Bug	Jun 7th, 2006 11:41:11 AM
but SON OF M does end big and with a hook that is much more interesting than HOUSE OF M or CIVIL WAR. Like the Hulk, you don't want to see the Inhumans when they are angry. More closer to super hero stuff than those two heavy crossovers. What DRAX was to ANNIHILATION, SON OF M is to whatever happens next. Plus the development with Pietro sets him up to be a major player in the Marvel U. Can't wait to see what Peter David does with him in X-FACTOR.
Son of M ending dissapointed at first.... but by Clifford Brown	Jun 7th, 2006 11:54:15 AM
but then I realized after reading it again that things are going to get bad if something isn't given back... I haven't gotten into X-Factor yet, but it would seem that now is a good time to try it out.
Prof Jr. review by Caped Revenger2	Jun 7th, 2006 12:14:43 PM
Great review! You've done a good job, and indeed, we'd like to see more. Feel free to share what your other favorite books are, it's truly great to get a first-hand feel for what younger readers enjoy. You're at the same age many of us were when we first got interested in comics. But don't despair, there is still a chance that you will turn out better than all of the rest of us!
I can't wait for him to appear in X-Factor either by The Heathen	Jun 7th, 2006 12:16:30 PM
And that makes three who've read it. Sweet. ; )
by Arkhangelsk	Jun 7th, 2006 12:29:04 PM
you know, my local comic book shop owner knows me. he knows what i like. he knows to put aside anything by Ennis, Brubaker, Casey, Kieth, Morrisson or Milligan even if i haven't expressly asked for it. but even he didn't catch Tyger, now i'll have to hunt it down. and i have to agree that the art on Iron Man: The Inevitable is utterly fantastic. it actually completely draws you into the book, creating an atmosphere, a trick i'd only seen accomplished twice before by Jae Lee on Fantastic Four 1234 and by aaron alexovitch on Serenity Rose. but credit shouldn't be taken away from Casey's writing as i do believe that this is some of the best writing he's done for a major company. and i'd like to ask if anyone here is currently reading Sam Kieth's Batman: Secrets. i'm gonna wait until the series wrapped up to pass judgement, but i do believe that this may end up being the greatest batman story ever. (hey T., hey Psy, yest, it is me, your friendly neighborhood Kitchen Staff Supervisor)
Regarding reviewing "real" Comics... by halcyonseven	Jun 7th, 2006 12:32:15 PM
I kind of agree with bilbo up there... did you guys miss everything last week? And if you are gonna mainly review Indies... where the hell was "The Five Fists of Science" from Image???? Or DMZ? or Y?(okay not really indies but... you get my point.) Now you guys can review whatever the hell you want, it's your column, but lately its been tons of manga, very few mainstream, especially seems like none of you are reading DC/Vertigo, or at least if you are you just don't review it. I generaly really like your column, you've even introduced me to several comics that I now read regularly, I'm just wondering where the love for mainstream comics and bigger indies went in the last few columns. Not trying to be a negative nilly just wondering...
Prof. Jr. by MR INBETWEEN	Jun 7th, 2006 12:39:17 PM
Nice going, sir. You're published! Keep up the good work. I appreciate your perspective. Future writings: I want to hear about the first time you ever read Fantastic Four. Also, favorite FF story ever...so far...
BilboRing, by antilifeequation	Jun 7th, 2006 12:48:08 PM
I'm with you. I hate the Big Eyes and Indie Jones sections of these reviews. Actually, the Pull List section also sucks. I guess buying this stuff might earn you a look of admiration from the fatass with the goatee and button-up dragon shirt behind the counter at your local shop but I prefer fun, familiar comics. I read a lot of Vertigo too but I know enough about comics to know that that doesn't make me hip or some kind of rebel. It seems like DC and the handful of decent Marvel books have ceased to exist for these guys. I know where they're coming from though. I always shit all over bands who become too talented or too popular for my tastes. I learned long ago that reading comics will never be "cool" so I just resigned to unabashed fanboyism, reading superhero books that I actually find enjoyable instead of sampling the manga trash I see the 10-year-olds perusing at Barnes & Noble or the indie shit my emo peers enjoy. I do like Emo Boy though.
antilifeeguation by halcyonseven	Jun 7th, 2006 12:54:59 PM
I don't hate the Big Eyes and Indie Section, I don't read Big Eyes because my interest in Manga and Anime went away after Ghost in the Shell, but Indie is a great way to introduce readers to other stuff outside of the safe and familier. That being said, there is NOTHING wrong with the safe and familier. I love my Bats and Robin (not the all star mind you), etc, etc. But yes, it seems like the mainstream comics section is being downsized and (in my fanboy opinion, marvel focused). But once again, its their column.
If you guys need somone to review more DC... by halcyonseven	Jun 7th, 2006 12:58:27 PM
and Vertigo give me a shout. I don't have much time but I always manage to find some time for me comics. Or I could do a weekly column on Mignola. That might be a little much...
As great as "The Tyger" was, Ennis' by Mr. Anderson	Jun 7th, 2006 01:24:00 PM

As great as "The Tyger" was... by Mr. Anderson	Jun 7th, 2006 01:30:43 PM
Ennis' "Slavers" arc was even better. So if you want to see a truel talent re-define what used to be a fairly one-dimensional character, pick up the three MAX one-shots (The End, The Cell, and The Tyger) as well as the Slavers TPB.
Wow... by Thalya	Jun 7th, 2006 01:35:31 PM
I think you @$$holes hit on something with the Prof Jr. review. Look at how clean and relatively upbeat the first-day TB has been. Need I say, more! Good stuff kiddo. You're apparently wowwing everyone here. Hope to see more from you in the future, as your p-o-v is a much-needed one around here.
Oh, and.. by Thalya	Jun 7th, 2006 01:36:26 PM
Arkhan!!! Dude! Have you been lurking all this time?
I'd agree with more mainstream by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 7th, 2006 01:41:03 PM
There was so many great books that came out last week. Action comics, 52, Amazing Spider-Man #532, and none of them even made the quick shots. There is so much exciting stuff going on in Marvel and DC right now with their respective events, and none of it seems to be being covered. Even in the Marvel coverage, it is the side stuff. -- Side question: Anyone think Spider-Man will do it? do what he was consideringin 532? If he does, this will be huge and I will pledge to buy every 616 Spider-man book as well as all Civil War tie ins(right now I only buy Amazing and the main Civil War from them).
Slapstick!!! by Nairb The Movie	Jun 7th, 2006 01:46:14 PM
Slapstick appeared, albeit in a cameo at best, in SHE-HULK issue 8. I might be a lone in this idea, but who hopes this is signal for at least a miniseries from the Plastic Man of the Marvel U? Imagine getting Kyle Baker to write Slapstick and take on everything wrong with comics today! It would be pure brilliance that is being grossly over looked. SLAPSTICK NEEDS TO BE EVERYWHERE!!! Have him sent out on an existential quest to find what "funny" really is. Through that you can have a rotating cast of guest stars i.e. Deadpool, Spiderman, The Thing, etc. You could also make it a socially poignant book in the vein of Green Latern / Green Arrow. He could be hitting the road!!! SLAPSTICK COULD BE AWESOME!!!
P.S. Prof Jr. by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 7th, 2006 01:46:17 PM
Really enjoyed your review. That does sound really funny.
Guys, I just wanna say thank you so much. by SleazyG.	Jun 7th, 2006 01:49:29 PM
Seeing you be so positive in your responses to Prof Jr. is really refreshing and heartwarming. I was worried we'd get a bunch of ugly backlash, but instead you all really made my day. As somebody who wishes more kids were into comics, I was glad we were getting a chance to run something by one of them. It's nice to see you all be so welcoming. It's really appreciated, and I'm sure the Prof and his son will agree.
Prof. Jr by AlgertMopper	Jun 7th, 2006 02:04:41 PM
Prof. Jr review was good. I would like to see more reviews from him covering something like All-Star Superman or Sensational Spider-Man. Or even such works like old classic Uncle Scrooge comics
I'm a relative noob, but fast learner... by Clifford Brown	Jun 7th, 2006 02:07:57 PM
It seems like this past year has been a good time to get into the whole comic medium. whereas friends showed me X-Men comics 10 or 15 years ago. But then I realize that the mid-90's didn't bode well for comic readers because of the apparent shitty writing. So much to pick and choose from today, that you can't lose.
Amazing Spider-Man 532 by kuryakin	Jun 7th, 2006 02:44:47 PM
Yeah - what was up with that ending? I mean, how the hell are they going to back down from this one? This was one of these issues where you just think - no matter how they resolve this it will be a disappointment but the anticipation of it is great.
Pietro by maxwell's hammer	Jun 7th, 2006 02:45:04 PM
I loved everything Peter David did with Quicksilver all those years ago in his X-Factor reboot, so I'm pretty jazzed to see Pietro return in a few weeks. And I thought 'Son of M' was pretty brilliant in its slow build from the small personal tragedy of one of the MU's most textured heroes into a possible EVENT that could have honest to god ramifications. To Peter David: Don't drop the ball!!
Solution - they don't back down by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 7th, 2006 02:57:53 PM
What if they just don't actually back down? Have him do it? It would be awesome and we'd finally get to see Peter's character move forward some. And Marvel claims that Civil War #2 will be absolutley huge with one of the biggest things to happen ever that fans will rant about for months, and that Civil War #2 is the one to own. Could it be Spider-man will finally go public?
But Ultimate Spidey by kuryakin	Jun 7th, 2006 02:58:04 PM
Was rubbish. Ben Urich looking like a sex criminal, writing stuff like "The feeling, Jennifer recalls, that followed was a different story" Uh - what? No wonder he's an almost-award winning writer. I also like how he signs his peice "By Ben Urish Investigative Reporter" I don't know how I feel about Bendis from one week to the next. Powers one week, this shit the next....Ah Bendis, like an abusive husband you caress me with one hand and then slap me with the other.
More Proffesor JR. !!!!!!! by Psynapse	Jun 7th, 2006 03:00:33 PM
Make it so....(bitches).
peice by kuryakin	Jun 7th, 2006 03:01:06 PM
I'm an idiot
comments about Prof Jr's review by CheriBomb	Jun 7th, 2006 03:05:10 PM
As Prof Jr's very proud aunt, I just want to say thanks to all of you for your positive comments about his first review! I hope he gets to write many more reviews like this one! :)
do any of you remember Dave_F??? by blackthought	Jun 7th, 2006 03:13:33 PM

good reviews by Darth Kal-El	Jun 7th, 2006 03:36:19 PM
i need to hunt down the punisher tyger. that sounds cool. i liked the prof jr.s fresh take on comics. good review kid! keep up the great work and we might have to draft you to the cogs!
what is this dave_f you speak of? by Darth Kal-El	Jun 7th, 2006 03:37:16 PM

Please. More frequent DC & Vertigo reviews....... by stereochad	Jun 7th, 2006 03:38:55 PM
Less Manga Eyes for the Cape Guys. I mean, how about 100 Bullets, Y, Bats, and for God's sake, what about the job Mike Carey has done with Lucifer. In fact, why the hell doesn't Carey get more props from this community?
This Dave_F..... by Psynapse	Jun 7th, 2006 03:50:29 PM
wasn't he one of The Kids in the Hall?
Great Review, Junior Prof! by Buzz Maverik	Jun 7th, 2006 04:29:37 PM
This is what is should be! We see the power of comics here and it is good!
Cooky, Is Being In Tune With The Rest Of The Marvel ... by Buzz Maverik	Jun 7th, 2006 04:40:34 PM
Universe so great? In 1990, that would have meant being in tune with Rob Liefield, for example. Was Shott born too late or is he ahead of his time? I think he's taking comics back to their purest form while taking them into their next stage. The current state of Marvel is bloated, pretentious, under-grad serious crossovers that move at the pace of a Merchant Ivory film or a Jane Austen novel (and don't any of you tell me for one minute that you're into Merchant Ivory films or Jane Austen novels and don't bring up Stanley Kubrick because he was different and YOU know it). What you're talking about with Ben and Alicia is a relationship for inexperienced adolescents instead of well adjusted adults or innocent kids like Prof. Jr. It's not Slott who is stuck in past Cooky. I think you've set Dr. Doom's time machine for circa 1990-1995, mistaking it for 1986. I'm stuck in the past though. I remember a time when we either had mindless disco or bloated arena rock for music until a bunch of ugly guys from England took rock back to its' three chord roots. What comics need are the equivalent of a bunch of ugly guys from England. The good news is there's no shortage of ugly people who want to do comics.
halcyonseven by antilifeequation	Jun 7th, 2006 04:58:10 PM
Good point about indies. I can't say I've read that many, or that I've not been turned off by the pretentiousness of quite a few, but I appreciate the fact that indie comics can stray from the expected and the formulaic and cater to tastes that are a little more out there. Anything that attracts more readers to the medium is usually a good thing. I'm not that familiar with manga or anime either (though I've been exposed to the original Ghost in the Shell film by a friend and dug it; very cyberpunk) but I think they've done great things for comics, such as bringing more girls into the fold and popularizing the digest style of TPB that I've enjoyed catching up on Runaways and Concrete with. I would hope that these changes would help win some fans for the great mainstream stuff out there but I don't know if I see a correlation. I personally feel that there's never been a better time to be a mainstream comic fan. I didn't hate House of M but I stopped reading all the Decimation off-shoots after just a couple of issues. I'll give Son of M a try in trade since I've heard such good things. I plan to do the same for Civil War and related titles since I'm spending so much currently on DC books. I know that Infinite Crisis was not very well-received around here and that DC generally gets a lot of flack from critics and fans, but I'm along for the ride and loving it. I've never bought so many monthly books before. I'll admit that they're not doing a flawless job of correlating post-IC events, but the work they're doing is far above average and I'm having a great time trying to suck up as much of the whole story as I can. I've spent $100+ in the past two months on back issues as far back as 1993 trying to get a well-rounded view of the post-COIE DC universe. The 90's were somewhat of a bad time for DC and comics in general, but I credit their current upswing with the growing competition from Marvel. No business strives harder than when they are receiving a healthy dose of competition from their primary rival. The reviews on this site aren't terrible (they're actually more competent and literate than most comic reviews I've read out there) but I wish that comic critics here and everywhere would have a little more fun with the mainstream, sit back and enjoy the ride.
You must review IN MY LIFETIME #1 by TheGibson	Jun 7th, 2006 05:31:56 PM
Just out from Silent Devil. Tony Fleecs is getting some good press and he's a local boy from South Dakota. Came out today (June 7th) at your LCS> P.S. I am not Tony Fleecs, but I bought the comic, and it's gold.
And now for something not so tasteless..... by Psynapse	Jun 7th, 2006 06:01:03 PM
A guy walks into the local welfare office, marches straight up to the counter and says, "Hi... You know, I just HATE drawing welfare. I'd really rather have a job. The social worker behind the counter says, "This is amazing, your timing is excellent. We just got a job opening from a very wealthy old man who wants a chauffeur and bodyguard for his beautiful, nymphomaniac daughter. You'll have to drive around in is Mercedes, but he'll supply all of your clothes. Because of the long hours, all your meals will be provided too. You'll be expected to escort her on her overseas holiday trips. You will have to satisfy all her sexual urges. You'll be provided a two-bedroom apartment above the garage. And finally, the starting salary is $200,000 a year. The guy, wide-eyed, says, "You're bullshiin' me!" The social worker says, "Yeah, well... you started it..." This shockingly clean joke is in honor of our 1st Junior @$$hole***
word by blackthought	Jun 7th, 2006 06:27:02 PM

Unfortunately, living in Canada limits.... by Clifford Brown	Jun 7th, 2006 07:20:03 PM
... me in picking up all these cool sounding indie books. Talent for instance from Boom... I want it but I can't get it up here... Anyone read it? I might consider eBay
My plan ... by dregmobile	Jun 7th, 2006 07:49:43 PM
So in order to prep myself for reading New Avengers, I'm planning to buy the TP's for Avengers: Disassembled and House of M (not all of them, just the first/main one). Will this help me get my Marvel barings, or perhaps just confuse me more than is necessary?
Hey Prof. Jr. by Boru999	Jun 7th, 2006 07:59:06 PM
A fine job my man! Let me run an idea by you. I'd love to read your take on some classic runs of yesteryear. Maybe Pops could loan you his old X-Men and let you take a gander at the Phoenix Saga, or perhaps you could check out some Lee/Kirby Fantastic Four issues (of course TPBs will do just fine). Something along those lines...just an idea. At any rate, it's good to see a guy your age reading comics. I hope you write some more reviews soon.*****Also -- loved the Iron Man review. I'm sold. I've always dug the Living Laser. I first caught him back in the Micheline/Romita Jr./Layton heyday. I didn't realize anyone was doing quality Iron Man comics for Marvel anymore.
Prof. Jr. by Ryogam	Jun 7th, 2006 08:52:14 PM
Great review, I second Boru999's suggestion about reviewing "old school" comics, it would esp. be interesting in how you view the "Essential" trades, like Amazing SM.
sighs...a wednesday without lost... by blackthought	Jun 7th, 2006 09:15:56 PM

Dregmobile that's a good start by Clifford Brown	Jun 7th, 2006 09:22:23 PM
I'd also invest in Astonishing X-Men too. I was fortunate to find all the issues for A.X-men and N.A. Great reads for the most part. Avengers Disassembled helped answer questions I had after reading N.A. #1. House of M is also something worthy to invest in because of the fallout for certain characters afterwards... (Son of M and Deadly Genesis, the most noteworthy for me)
dreg i second by Darth Kal-El	Jun 7th, 2006 09:33:40 PM
the astonishing xmen recomendationd. i recently picked up the hardcover trade of 1-12 for less than 25.00 and its worth every damn penny
more mainstream by Redmantle	Jun 7th, 2006 10:09:34 PM
Another vote for more mainstream, although I do like the stuff you point out- Punisher/Tyger and Son of M sound like great reads that I wouldn't have considered otherwise. However, I scroll right past the manga stuff...
I'm cool with either, but I tend to lean... by Clifford Brown	Jun 7th, 2006 10:23:05 PM
towards mainstream. The review on Mouse Guard pushed me to get all the first 3 which are fantastic. BTW does anybody here have a New Avengers issue #1 Spider-Man variant? That thing is the friggin' diamond in the rough.
SofM, Spiderman, Ultimate-, Nextwave by Throb	Jun 7th, 2006 11:47:43 PM
Son of M was a good read. Best parts of #06, a one man gang-up on Magneto by Pietro(s), and Unus the Untouchable buying it like a kid trapped in a junkyard refrigerator--creeeeepy. The covers were all great, #5's Pietro sliding on Magneto's helmet was extremely cool. But issue #1 of a broke down Pietro in a hooded trench in the middle of the street while the world speeds along around him is still one of my favorite desktop images. On Amazing Spiderman #532, I thought that if he was going to reveal his identity he would have done it at the end. With it coming next issue, it's definitely not going to happen. I predict some sort of fight breaking out just as he's about to unmask. Runaways #16 is out. No matter how hard I try to get into this book I just really hate these little brat bastards. Are teens and jerks synonymous? Cause I just hate these kids. Ultimate Spiderman was so-so. More of a set-up for the next issue. Ultimate Fantastic Four was good but Land makes every girl look like Susan Storm to the point of confusion. Your best bet is Nextwave Issue #05. This series just gets better and better. Best parts? Even the Celestial Gods think Aaron is shit, koala death bears, Captain America to Monica: 'Cover your eyes, go back to the Avengers Mansion, and make my dinner', and Cable's imminent techno-organic prolapse(Google it and try not to vomit on your keyboard). So Good.
heathen my friend... by blackthought	Jun 8th, 2006 12:06:15 AM
you've raved about son of m and implored people to read it and voila...seemingly months later your wish is granted. extra loaf of the pumpkin spice for you my friend. and prof j. keep up the good work...nice and concise without hatred and disdain for everything about the medium...that comes after your 500th crossover event when you are 13 and no longer 11...enjoy these 2 years...enjoy em'.
I know what a prolapse is... by Clifford Brown	Jun 8th, 2006 12:07:29 AM
And I don't know what would be worse... that or a kidney stone. I have this feeling that Captain America is going to bust in on Spider-Man's conference and talk him out of revealing himself. Which is kinda too bad, cuz it would be pretty interesting, atleast for a while, to see the public knowing who Spidey is
F#@ the mainstream!!!!!!!!!!! by superhero	Jun 8th, 2006 12:35:20 AM
I hate to say it but I'm not going to buy mainstream books that suck just so I can make one or two talkback fanboys happy. I review what I buy with my own money. If Marvel and DC want to send me books for free, fine, maybe I'll check them out but until then my comic buying budget is finite and I'll buy what looks interesting to me. That's one thing that you whiny narrowminded comicbookreaders don't get...for the most part we're buying our own books to review! Y'know, I'm not going to try and please the two or three people who are bitching about no mainstream book reviews. I can't tell you how many e-mails I've gotten from people saying that it's great that we write about stuff that isn't mainstream. They just don't need the attention that some myopic talkbacking comic fan who can't get enough of Spider-Man punching Doc Ock in the face for the millionth time needs. So, y'know what? I'll start reviewing mainstream books regularly when mainstream books become regularly interesting again. Besides, I think we pimp them more than enough around here. It's not like they NEED our help in the marketplace. What's a damn travesty is that there are AMAZING books out there that deserve attention but don't get it all because of the limited buying tastes of fans who only buy books about men who run around fighting crime in their underwear. Hey, I love guys running around fighting crime in their underwear as much as the next guy but after a while it gets tedious. If there's stuff out there that is a great read that has nothing to do with Marvel or DC then I'm gonna climb that indie mountain and shout about it until the cows come home. And if you've got a problem with that then you can go and jump in a lake, brotha...
... I'll look for Daisy Kutter tomorrow... by Clifford Brown	Jun 8th, 2006 12:46:34 AM
p-p-please don't beat me...
Ya Do An Indie Heavy Week &.... by Buzz Maverik	Jun 8th, 2006 01:30:10 AM
...everybody's screaming for the mainstream. Usually everybody's bitching because we're too mainstream, too Marvelcentric, too DCcentric. Contemplate this with me: we call ourselves @$$holes. Does an @$$hole sound like someone who would say, "If our readers want it, by Gollum, we're gonna give it to 'em"? We're a little more R. Crumb than Stan Lee here. Do we still have archives of these bad boys? Because I gotta tell ya, you may not WANT to see what we have to say about your favorite comics...because really, what you're asking for is that we read the same comics you read and that we tell you what you thought about them, as jumped-out @$$hole Jon Quixote used to say.
mainstream vs indie by Arkhangelsk	Jun 8th, 2006 02:29:04 AM
there's good and bad indie, and then there's good and bad mainstream. of course the only indie left that i read is SIP (technically Stray Bullets is still alive, but who knows when we'll get another issue), and it seems more and more of my favorite writers are turning mainstream (Milligan on X-Men would be the best example). not that they need my permission, but the @$$holes can review whatever pleases them and i won't complain. the talkback's here so we can talk about anything we want. so here's a topic if anyone cares to indulge me: Brubaker is the best writer out there today. sure, his Authority and X-Men, while still very good, were not his best work (it just proves he should stay away from ensemble books and keep to single character books). But his Captain Americ, Daredevil, and The Books of Doom were juste pure classics. as big a fan of Morrison that i am, Bru is giving him a run for his money. (and T. i've been lurking for a couple of weeks and couldn't resist jumping back in when i saw you and Psynapse having so much fun over here)
Bad news: it's going to happen. by vroom socko	Jun 8th, 2006 03:06:34 AM
I've heard from someone who read a "first look" copy of THUNDERBOLTS, which comes out the same week as Civil War #2. It features a panel of the former Beetle watching tv with interest as an unmasked Peter Parker answers press questions about Gwen Stacey's death. Or so I've heard... ***** In other news, I've been something of a non-presence lately when it comes to reviews, due to my admittedly insane notion of going back to school as an English Major. After next week, however, I'll be running full steam with an old/new feature that should be fun.
Scatterbrain by nycman100	Jun 8th, 2006 08:20:56 AM
I am always on the lookout for nwe independant comics and never woul dhave heard of Scatterbrain without your review. I picked up the first issue and much like you was blown away, can't wait to pick up the second now. If ther are any hardcore comic detective noir readers out there, pick up this book. It's one of the best things I have read in a long time. Great story so far, and real characters.....I cna se this as a movie already. And then everyone on the boards bitching about some aspect of it! Ha!
Bad news? More like AWESOME news! by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 8th, 2006 08:37:21 AM
This could be the best and most interesting thing to happen to Spider-Man ever. Spider-Man has been growing and growing in responsibility and leadership qualities, and I say that's a damn good thing. Peter Parker unmasked is excellent news, there are so many good stories that can come from this. Now onto "mainstream comics", if you don't want to review them, fine, but I'll be damned if you say you don't buy them because they suck and are stale. "Mainstream" comics are in their best shape in God knows how long, at both DC and Marvel with great stories, art, characters, the works. You sound like someone who doesn't like things when they become just a little too popular or doesn't listen to Bono anymore since he "sold out" and does GASP commercials now.
Hah! by Thalya	Jun 8th, 2006 09:05:51 AM
Ark: Yeah, it did almost get to Spike vs. Angel proportions not too long ago, didn't it? We get BILN back in here, Enigma in his 97th iteration calling me T-money (and pissing everyone off in the process), and a few others and it'll be like we have a mini-White Room again. And I do have to thank you and Psy and a few others from the Room for getting me into comics: one of the best things that ever happened to me. So what are you reading? Do you have Manhunter and ArchEnemies on your pull list, by any chance?
the months have paid off, blackthought by The Heathen	Jun 8th, 2006 09:48:51 AM
have any of the Cogs read it? I know, Shig checked out the artwork once. The last issue is just so good. Black Bolt, Pietro, everything. I hope this plays a part in the bigger picture of what's going on. With Reed and Black Bolt being in the Illuminati, it has a good chance of it I'd say. What I really want to get across is that David Hine needs to be on a sturdy ongoing pronto. As much of a a-hole Pietro is, I'd read about him every month if Hine wrote him and if Roy Allan Martinez drew. Hine and Martinez would be good on an Inhumans, X-Factor, X-Men, X-anything really.
rock on, Vroom by The Heathen	Jun 8th, 2006 10:59:15 AM
that new feature sounds cool. *** Thalya, I picked up Manhunter 1-2 & 20-22 yesterday. Haven't read them yet due to a pile that I'm having trouble keeping up with, but I will tell you my thoughts soon
Y'know Heathen.. by Thalya	Jun 8th, 2006 11:13:06 AM
I'm seriously considering picking up the trade on Son of M, but my Marvel-phobia so far has prevented me. I saw some previews on Newsarama and I think it looks damn good, but the thing is I know nowhere near as much about Marvel as DC. Like, I have no clue who the Inhumans are (and why does it seem as though Marvel is group-happy while DC isn't so much?). And I dig ya on the Supes love. Really good storytelling. This is how Superman needs to be done if you're gonna rack up interest in him.
KUDOS TO PROF JR.! by Shigeru	Jun 8th, 2006 11:47:26 AM
Hooray for a junior's perspective... it's sorely lacking...well, in comics in general.
Son of M by Shigeru	Jun 8th, 2006 11:53:07 AM
Heathen-- I'm definitely picking up this trade when it comes out. I've heard enough great things about it and I am a sucker for the Inhumans... blame it on Earth X. *** In other news: WALKING DEAD!! @#$(!!!!! ** And Runaways 16 was superb... I don't know why the TB'er above was complaining. The Runaways are teenagers being forced to grow up too fast and under traumatic circumstances. Teen angst and drama is awesome! Gert and Chase's breakup was amazing (please don't kill Gert, BKV!)... And Adrian Alphona is my hero for that last page...damnation that is beautiful!
No One Said Don't Buy Mainstream. by Buzz Maverik	Jun 8th, 2006 12:28:19 PM
Repeat after me: I can still be a comic book fan and grasp the concept of "either or" "shades of grey" and "middle" ground.
Inhumans and stuff by The Heathen	Jun 8th, 2006 12:50:35 PM
Thalya, I barely new anything about the Inhumans besdies the fact that they live on the moon and if their leader, Black Bolt says anything he could really f@k something up. Son of M does a pretty good job of introducing you to who everyone is and the culture that the Inhumans live in. It's user friendly to put it short. Glad you and, Shig are thinking about picking up the trade. SHIGERU!!! I haven't read Walking Dead or Runaways yet, but I should get to them tonight. I love those books. * Who the heck is Dave_F? And why does that name sound so familiar?
"I can still be a comic book fan and grasp the concept by The Heathen	Jun 8th, 2006 12:56:46 PM
of "either or" "shades of grey" and "middle" ground." Repeated. I feel like I do this well. For every Superman there's a Mouse Guard. For every Batman there's a Elk's Run
White Room Reborn by Arkhangelsk	Jun 8th, 2006 01:10:57 PM
well T., i'm glad all that time and energy i spent in my comics forum ended up being useful to someone. if i contributed to even one person discovering the might and beauty of comics, then it wasn't in vain. here's what my pull file looks like at the moment - Marvel: Captain America, Daredevil (Bru is a God), Astonishing X-Men (the Whedon still rules), X-Men (Milligan doing a serviceable job), Fantastic Four First Family, Iron Man The Inevitable (Joe Casey just keeps getting better) and Punisher (Ennis almost never disappoints). DC - Batman Secrets (Sam Kieth at his best and the best Batman story ever told) All-Star Superman, Seven Soldiers (never count out Morrison, can't wait for his WildC.A.T.S.), Teen Titans (i had given up on it at the onset of the Crisis, but started picking it up again One Year Later). Indy - Strangers In Paradise (wrapping up and breaking my heart), Stray Bullets (yeah, i'm a hopeless optimist) Others - Mouse Guard (just blowing me away), Kabuki (technically Marvel, but it's all Mack's baby) American Virgin (i used to buy pretty much anything Vertigo, now i'm lucky to find one book i like in there). But no Manhunter; care to give me a pitch and convince me to give it a try ? in return i'd urge you to pick up Astonishing X-Men. it's Whedon at his best. and a DC classic i'm sure you'd like if you checked it out is Catwoman. but not the current one (Pfeiffer if i'm not mistaken?). go back and pick up the first trades written by Ed Brubaker. you won't be disappointed. But, um, yeah, think of any other former Senior Partners we could drag in here?
Nope, by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 8th, 2006 01:43:36 PM
The only greys I can grasp as a comic book fan are the shades of grey in my Marvel Essentials and DC Showcase collections.
Gray Hulk, maybe? by Thalya	Jun 8th, 2006 01:54:10 PM

Heathen, you mean you haven't heard? by vroom socko	Jun 8th, 2006 01:55:49 PM
"For every Batman there's a Elk's Run
Heathen re: new WD by Shigeru	Jun 8th, 2006 01:59:27 PM
It will high-five your genitals with a strong force of ten thousand hurricanes!
Milligan's X-Men is far from serviceable by The Heathen	Jun 8th, 2006 02:04:26 PM
I just want his run to be over. No, wait. If his run ends, then that means Bachalo takes over as artist, which is bad, horrible even. But Garney will be writing and even though I've never read anything written by him it must be better than Milligan's X-Men run. Golgotha? Iceman's power return? Apocalypse? War-Machine/Sentinel Transformer? Next please.
Oh $h*t!!! That's awesome news, Vroom! by The Heathen	Jun 8th, 2006 02:10:40 PM
Thanks for the link. Can't wait to finish Elk's Run. I thought I'd never get the chance to. *** And I can't wait to have my genitals high-fived with the force of ten thousand hurricanes (Cog Dialogue
About that Spidey rumor in Civil War #2 by Shigeru	Jun 8th, 2006 02:35:08 PM
If that's the "biggest thing to happen at Marvel since the 60's" (quote courtesy of Millar and I'm sure JoeyQ) then I might drop CW. Give me a break. What about Daredevil being outed? Revealing a secret identity is the best they can come up with? How about Uatu revealing his secret gay love affair with The Living Tribunal? Only to have Galactus get jealous, cause c'mon he's always had a crush on ol' Baldie, and subsequently eat the Moon?
If Spidey reveals his identity to the world... by superhero	Jun 8th, 2006 02:44:35 PM
That's it. It's OVER for me. Fuck that stupid shite. Seriously. No more Spider-Man. First it's Gwen Stacy fucking tha Goblin, then it's organic web-shooters, and now THIS???? Screw that noise. They pretty much killed the brand fro me with that one. While marrying MJ didn't kill Spidey for me him revealing his ID to the world most certainly would. Better not happen.
I do not understand by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 8th, 2006 02:47:20 PM
I just cannot comprehend why people find the idea so volatile. Sounds great to me, unlike totem powers or Gwen boning Norman.
It can't be taken back, Engineer by Thalya	Jun 8th, 2006 03:08:49 PM
And thereafter you can't have secret identity stories anymore with the character.
Spidey by Shigeru	Jun 8th, 2006 03:11:09 PM
Exactly, Thalya. Where do you go with stories from that point on. Yeah you may be able to get a couple neat ones out of the event but not much else, and something like a public unmasking is NOT taken back easily. Plus it's been done before so it's hardly shocking. Not to mention the fact that Spidey's secret identity woes have always made the character all that more fascinating and great.
White Room.... by Psynapse	Jun 8th, 2006 03:24:59 PM
Ark!! Dude! Oh shit, with you me and T back on the TB's this can only mean one thing: The Apocalypse really IS nigh.....
Spidey Unmasked.... by Psynapse	Jun 8th, 2006 03:27:56 PM
That shit is fucking clown shoes man. F'real an' shit.....
Can't be takne back by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 8th, 2006 03:37:15 PM
That's part of the appeal to me, I think. Where do I see this going? I see it moving toward Spider-man going from a follower to a leader. After his conflict here, becoming a publicly accepted superhero and instead of simply being a team member or someone who runs into trouble and stops it, being a team leader as good as Cyclops or Captain America, really kind of growing as a superhero out of his current role. Probably the "biggest" hero I can think of who's gone unmasked for a large portion of his career is Wally West, and I think we got really good stories out of that. Spider-man's a bit different than the Flash, of course. But to me, "Oh no, I must protect my identity" has always been more of a boundary to stories with some characters, Spider-man being one of them. It forces the writers to focuse on more interesting elements, ones which to me are more interesting.
The thing with Spidey revealing himself... by Clifford Brown	Jun 8th, 2006 03:51:54 PM
... is that it would be great and interesting for a year or two... but then you'd want back the times when his identity was secret. If it's worked this long keeping his identity then it obviously aint broke. It really depends on the writers how good the outcome would be if he does.
Allow me to break for a moment: by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 8th, 2006 04:07:20 PM
And give you the best Spider man story ever. This is a souple of year's later, after Spider-man is both public and single(because Jo Quesada "put the genie back in the bottle"). He is on a blind date with some girl, and this is his third date in one night, because he is a ladies man. The thing is, all his dates are at the same place, and the girls have no problem with it because they're cool like that. Suddenly the Vulture attacks, trying to kill one of the girls. Peter grabs her out of the way and starts to web-sling, to lead Vulture away, with the girl hanging on. Ok, this is the best part coming up. The girl turns to Spider-man, ok? Then she says... heh, ok get this she says "I knew you were a swinger, but this is ridiculous!" Oh man, instant Eisner award.
But it CAN be reversed... by Psynapse	Jun 8th, 2006 04:18:39 PM
And will be the moment Marvel's ruling elite says "No More Joey Q"....Bet on it.
If they do that, psynapse by Engineer_at_peac	Jun 8th, 2006 04:20:07 PM
I think the best way to do it in continuity, would be to have Scarlet Witch actually say "No more Quesada".
I swear Wanda is gonna be a patsy... by Clifford Brown	Jun 8th, 2006 04:23:49 PM
to fix any mistakes Marvel makes... She'll come by and just say "no more this", "no more that", "bring this back", "you never existed", "now there's 3 of you"... and so on.
Yeah but... by Psynapse	Jun 8th, 2006 05:01:42 PM
She won't look nearly as hot in that Blue and Yellow costume. (God I'm such a geek....)PS-50 points for anyone old enough or geeky enough to get this joke
Hell I thought she wore red since the 60's by Clifford Brown	Jun 8th, 2006 05:03:40 PM

She has Clifford.... by Psynapse	Jun 8th, 2006 05:46:06 PM
which means you failed the joke. No points for you!
*saunters away to "Christmas Time is Here" piano music" by Clifford Brown	Jun 8th, 2006 06:01:10 PM

Spiderman/Civil War by dregmobile	Jun 8th, 2006 07:06:51 PM
Judging from the blurbs on Marvel's site, it seems clear Spider-man is going to go public with his identity. I can't wait, I'm loving this. This is what has brought me over to Marvel from DC - all these great stories. I admit, is probably not THE greatest Marvel story, but for me right now, it's the only thing interesting. Re: Indie comics: not only do we not get many here in Oz, but I find I don't have the time or the care or even the money to sift through to see what titles I might like. I'm just being honest. And it sucks, since at one point I churned out a couple of graphic novels that I know no one will read because of that. :( *** And I find it amusing that the most pissed off talkbacker here is not a talkbacker. *** Anyone read Krypton to Earth, yet? I probably won't touch it until I see the movie ...
Spider-LAME by superhero	Jun 8th, 2006 07:41:26 PM
"Where do I see this going? I see it moving toward Spider-man going from a follower to a leader. After his conflict here, becoming a publicly accepted superhero and instead of simply being a team member or someone who runs into trouble and stops it, being a team leader as good as Cyclops or Captain America, really kind of growing as a superhero out of his current role." The problem with all of that, my friend, is it's NOT SPIDER-MAN! If you want stories like that then go read Captain America and Cyclops comics. Spider-Man is not meant to be a leader type. He's a straight out adventurer with a heart of gold. He's not some stalwart type leading the Avengers! He's a street fighter. If you take away that aspect of him and just turn him into some lame super-cop then you've destroyed what makes the character great! You want a Spider-Man that's got his shit together and is a ladies man? Wow, that sounds incredibly LAME. Didn't McFarlane try that with Peter Parker making all kinds of money off of his photography and going on talk shows and such? Yeah, those were great stories...Um, NO. The Peter Parker I like reading in your everyday guy trying to make good in the world. He's AVERAGE except for the fact he's got spider-powers. Not to mention what they'll have to do with the costume...what's an unmasked Spider-Man costume gonna be like...UGH. Not that crappy spider-armor that Tony Stark gave him I hope.
superhero, if you're going to stop reviewing mainstream by MrBoinfoint	Jun 8th, 2006 07:46:35 PM
You might want to consider, uhm, changing your fucking name.
Why boinfoint? There are superhero indie books too... by superhero	Jun 8th, 2006 09:21:50 PM
Jackass. And I've reviewed mainstream books several times in the column. I just don't get why certain people would start weeping when they're not getting enough mainstream reviews for the week. Please. Marvel and DC aren't the only publishers out there and I don't have to act like they are. Just because they own the copyright/trademark on the word "superhero" doesn't mean that I should be their reviewing whore. Besides, what I have a problem with is what they're doing RIGHT NOW. I pick up books from the mainstream companies. They just happen not to be the "core titles" of said publishers. Heck, I picked up the new Wonder Woman and I thought it was pretty nifty. Does that make evryone happy?
by Clifford Brown	Jun 8th, 2006 09:34:44 PM

Wonder Woman was pretty cool, probably pick up... by Clifford Brown	Jun 8th, 2006 09:36:54 PM
... the next one if it is well-received.
"The problem with all of that, my friend," by dregmobile	Jun 8th, 2006 09:54:58 PM
"is it's NOT SPIDER-MAN!" --- but isn't that what the Ultimate titles are there for? I would think that with those running, the writers can allow for some shake-ups like the ones approaching in CW. It wasn't until they killed Superman that I started collecting comics.
The Ultimate line I have absolutely no association with by Clifford Brown	Jun 8th, 2006 10:05:02 PM
Are they worth getting... I hear they're well written. Well, at least the ultimates and Ultimate Fantastic Four are. Anybody recommend them? I don't know if its worth getting into.
I found myself thinking about this talkback by antilifeequation	Jun 8th, 2006 11:32:48 PM
while reading the recent DC Nation column. DiDio made a point of telling all hopeful comic artists to familiarize themselves with submission guidelines so that they could submit portfolios at the major cons this year. He also discussed their non-submission policy regarding writers, stating that it is much easier to gauge an artist's talents and abilities on the spot than a writer's and that they usually work only with published writers. This is totally understandable but not such great news for hopeful writers. It did change how I feel about these reviews a little bit to read that because the voices of tomorrow depend largely on what we read today. I'm a mainstream kind of guy and a DC fanboy to boot so I hate to see my guys neglected in any comic review but I do feel obligated to branch out a little and hope for the best. Indies aren't really my thing (the most adventurous I've gotten lately is Brian Wood's Supermarket) and DC gets a very healthy chunk of mine and my girlfriend's paychecks every week but, as a fan, I want to help this industry in any aspect I can and I'm sure I'll discover some great books along the way.
re:ultimate line by Darth Kal-El	Jun 9th, 2006 01:19:51 AM
YES!! very highly recomended. start out with some of the trades for ultimate spidey and ultimate x-men and of course ultimate ff and ultimates are amazing.
Please use my correct title in all correspondence by MrBoinfoint	Jun 9th, 2006 07:58:25 AM
Capital M, capital B. Thanks much little s.
Ooooo...boinfoint uses capital letters...ooooo by superhero	Jun 9th, 2006 09:32:39 AM
Are we feeling a little, ahem, inadequate my friend boinfoint...? :O)
The Spidey Ultimate titles... by superhero	Jun 9th, 2006 09:48:25 AM
While, yes, I agree that the Ultimate Spidey titles are there for anyone who wants a teenage Spider-Man with youth and inexperience that doesn't mean the mainstream Spidey's core character traits should change drastically. Or what makes him an interesting character should be thrown out the window. Spidey is not a leader type. Just like Wolverine isn't. I'm not talking about stunting any growth of the character but stripping him of what makes him interesting (like a secret identity, his insecurity, or web-shooters that he manufactured himself) just isn't what should be done. Those are all elements that made me love Spidey all of those years ago and a headstrong Spidey who leads the Avengers (or is Tony Stark's little beeyotch), to me, isn't as interesting as a loner Spider-Man who depends on himself to get out of situations on his own. Yet still constantly questions himself as, well, most of us do. That's why I, and so many others, identified with him! Make him a rock star and, guess what? He's about as interesting as an artilce in PEOPLE magazine. As far as the Death of Superman goes? I'm surprized that that was what sucked someone in to collecting comics because it's one of the things that steered me away from the mainstream to seek out indies in the first place. But to each his own, y'know? Maybe CIVIL WAR or INFINITE CRISIS will be the thing that gets a lot of other people to throw their hands up in the air and say "Bah! I'm done with this!" I just hope they don't give up on the medium altogether like I've seen a LOT of people do because they didn't know that there IS better stuff out there that doesn't require that you read a bajillion comics to know what's going on...
Well said... by Clifford Brown	Jun 9th, 2006 10:44:49 AM
I'll admit that most of my titles are mainstream, but I don't figure to put the "Big Two" on a pedestil. I just happen to know X-Men, Hulk and Daredevil more than what the indie publishers are putting out. I'm all for anything that is a good read and has great art as well.
Walking Dead #28 by The Heathen	Jun 9th, 2006 12:39:13 PM
Before I get into this Spider-Man debate I want to mention the Walking Dead. "It will high-five your genitals with a strong force of ten thousand hurricanes!" More like twenty thousand hurricanes, Shig. Good. God. This reads so well, so scary, so unerving that I finished it as quickly as if I was watching it on live tv. It scared the crap outta me. I can't believe what happened. Damn, Kirkman. Here's hoping Tyrese comes through. crosses fingers
GOAL!!!!!!!!!!! by blackthought	Jun 9th, 2006 01:08:57 PM
that's all...heathen...for our x-men run under buzz...i'm including lots of futbol...just warning you.
Spider-Man by The Heathen	Jun 9th, 2006 01:12:05 PM
First of all, Spider-Man as a defining character trait has a secret identity and relationship problems. Half of that has already been taken away due to his happy marriage to Mary Jane. Joey da Q said it was a huge mistake that is pretty much unrepairable to the life of Peter Parker. You can't kill Mary Jane, you can't have them divorce, you can't have adultry enter the scene. You're stuck with Peter being married. Now, da Q wishes he could have not had that happen and say's he wouldn't have let it if he was in charge at the time. So, Joe Quesada, here's your chance to save the remaining half of what makes Peter Parker, Spider-Man - his identity. Don't let it happen. If you do, your the biggest hypocrite I've ever heard of. Can you imagine J. Jonah Jameson knowing? I agree that you would get a couple of years worth of stories out of it, but after that
lots of the futbol by The Heathen	Jun 9th, 2006 01:17:03 PM
the new Wonder Woman wasn't too shabby.
the best work for hire can offer by Arkhangelsk	Jun 9th, 2006 01:39:08 PM
Heathen, regarding Milligan's X-Men: you gotta take it for what it is, Milligan being imposed stories by the editors and doing the best he can with it. this is not Morrisson or Whedon being hired as big-name writers and being given free-range, this is just work for hire, but work for hire at its best. the very first issue of Golgotha had some huge plotting problems, but the overall the storyline turned out very fine. and Bizarre Love Triangle was just too much goddamned fun. and the Apocalypse stuff was great too. it's a soap opera and i'm fine with it
Arkhangelsk re: best work for hire by The Heathen	Jun 9th, 2006 02:25:01 PM
It's not that I don't like Milligan, and I agree that two of the issues from Bizarre Love Triangle were great fun, but the Apocalypse stuff is dreadful. I know he's not Morrison or Whedon "star' talent, but if people like David Hine or Peter David can make good stories with editorial telling them how to stear, then why shouldn't Milligan be able to? I'm not really buying that ediotrs told him to write what he did either, but I guess it's a mute point considering his run's all but over. I really enjoyed Milligan's short story in the Amazing Fantasy #15 issue. That was good and I couldn't believe the same guy who wrote it was writing X-Men. Feel the same about JMS with Amazing Spider-Man (pretty crappy) and Supreme Power (pretty not crappy).
I Just Hope The Thing Doesn't Reveal Himself. by Buzz Maverik	Jun 9th, 2006 06:10:28 PM
"Omigawd, look at that! It's more hideous than I've ever imagined! Let's get out of here, honey. Honey?"
Spider-Man Unmasked. by Buzz Maverik	Jun 9th, 2006 06:22:26 PM
See, Joey Cue and these guys aren't even consistent with their own bullshit. It's all sound bites. Supposedly, the reason that comics are slow and dull and nothing happens these days is that they are about character. "It's a book about Peter/Matt/Bruce/Abraham/Marti n/John. We're concentrating on the Man instead of the Super." That really means that certain writers don't know how to integrate character and action and therefore can't write comics, but that's beside the point. The best AMAZING SPIDER-MAN issues were about a young guy named Pete with a ton of problems and wracked with guilt, who had a superhero identity that did him no good in real life but that he couldn't shake. Maybe being Spidey gave him enough self-esteem to score a couple of cute girlfriends, but that also brought other worries with it. The point is, as an open superhero, Pete can never again stand in for you or me or any of us. Spidey had the troubles of everyman, plus superhuman maniacs trying to kill him. Unmasking is a gimmick, but it's poor planning, poor thinking. These guys should concentrate on putting out good issues and forget trying to engineer a Direction, because they can't do it well...Good thing you can always make up your own continuity, just like the pros. See, the Spider-Man persona has always allowed Pete to release his aggressions, which is why Spider-Man only teams up briefly with other heroes and has never joined a team. And while he did eventually marry Mary Jane, she was never an actress or successful model. She worked the perfume counter at Macy's and did some catalogue modeling but never enough to make a living.
Hmmm... Manhunter pitch.. by Thalya	Jun 9th, 2006 06:36:01 PM
Ark: She-Hulk, only the title character kills off the little-name villains. Less Slott-ian light and whimsy, more L.A. cynicism and it makes with the groundedness and snarky pop culture refs. Plus the art is fantabulous, with the switch between Saiz and Pina virtually indistinguishable. Facial expressions border on Kevin Maguire level and as of last issue, the comic-y goodness was running on all cylinders. Plus, Kate Spencer's a mom (and not the best one, either). How many female superheroes can you say that about? Excellent supporting cast as well, including Cameron Chase and Mark Shaw (former Manhunter); Dylan Battles is the one who'll probably hook you though: former techy minion for at least 10 major villains turned to the white hats. How's that for a pitch? And should I do one for ArchEnemies?
once again...GOAL!!! by blackthought	Jun 9th, 2006 06:36:49 PM

Part 2 by Thalya	Jun 9th, 2006 07:14:47 PM
In other news, Ark, I have picked up the first 6 of Astonishing, but my interest has kinda waned. One the other hand, Wonder Woman looks beautiful and #1 had a good story. Lots of fun twists, and I think DC is going on a minor-character spree, which is great. Good to see a character like Tom Tresser in an active supporting role. Plus, this looks like the year of Green Lantern Alan Scott, n'est-ce pas? Just look at 52, Outsiders, and JSA this week, ye gods!
Punisher: The Tyger by irishfella	Jun 9th, 2006 07:32:21 PM
Awesome. I must say though that I think that perhaps The cell was a little better overall. The writing in The Tyger was excellent --Ennis didn't fill every speech bubble with the word fuck as he has a tendency of doing-- but the overall tone of The Cell I think I preferred. Where has Ennis to go from here? Two origin stories (Born and The Tyger) and a bit of resolution also in some ways (The Cell, The End and The Punisher Kills The Marvel Universe if you wish). Are there any more really pivotal moments in Frank's life that he can deal with? We'll find out in a year or so I suppose (If he gives another attempt at a cracker of a one shot). Who would people like to see write Punisher after the age of Ennis? Personally I think that Azarello would be much suited to the comic. And why is it that the excellent Cable & Deadpool is never reviewed here, BUY IT PEOPLE!!!!
I still say that Caps will prevent Spidey's reveal... by Clifford Brown	Jun 9th, 2006 09:24:22 PM
It just seems right that he would. That would totally progress the already growing rivalry between Caps and Iron Man... wouldn't it?
You forgot an essential detail in your pitch Thalya.... by Psynapse	Jun 9th, 2006 11:50:15 PM
What about her tits?
tits indeed by blackthought	Jun 10th, 2006 12:55:44 AM

Heathen, T., Psy, Cars by Arkhangelsk	Jun 10th, 2006 02:24:13 AM
Heathen: i actually consider Milligan to be a writer that, when at his best, can give Morrisson a run for his money (witness Shade the Cahnging Man, Human Target, X-Statix and others). So at first i was a bit disappointed in his X-Men (espescially his first issue which is still horrendous; i can almost hear him getting the art and going "what can i write that will turn these images into an actual narrative?"). but i learned to like it for what it is: Milligan phoning it in and cashing the big check while being allowed to do what he really wants, another X-Statix story. i find it to be still great fun though. ----T., i might give Manhunter a chance if i find an issue somewhere in one of the stores i frequent. ArchEnemies though, i never heard of. ----Psy, you going tits-crazy is what actually convinced me to register here and start posting again. i missed your special brand of insanity. ---- Cars. i know this doesn't belong here but i went to the Cars talkback and it seems the only intelligent discourse going on on AICN is in the comics section, so i'm posting here. Just came back from Cars and Pixar does it again. taking the classics and making it work. they truly are the 21st century Termit Terrace. but Ratatouille! man, a kid's movie that references Trainspotting! fuck i just can't wait.
GOAAAALLLLL!!!! by Darth Kal-El	Jun 10th, 2006 02:26:30 AM
i finally got home and got to watch my tivoed games so i can finally say it! ecuador wins their first game in world cup!
...hmmm... by blackthought	Jun 10th, 2006 08:50:57 AM
cars...enjoyable if not quite predictable but the ending credits were hilarious...oh drive through movies...but yeah cars...the texturing and ligthing was fantastic on it...made me feel more inadequate...damn talent! darth the poland/ecaudor game was quite sloppy...definately on the poles side who were horrendous, dissapointing and have made a nation cry...on the other hand ecaudor played very good defense and deserved their win against those an awful polish side for that evening...off to a good start...the first game between germany and costa rica was entertaining as hell ...anyway i'm too excitited...watching england v. paraguay as i envision half of cog-mansion in world cup mode...and well...GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!
and... by blackthought	Jun 10th, 2006 09:11:01 AM
darth...the poland/ecuador game with ecuador winning was an upset but not a "huge" upset...good things happen when you have a colombian coaching some talented ecuadorian footballers...reminds me of the time vale and i were supervising you when we put in the cog-mansion pool since you are the cog with the most muscle and a little things like hard terrain falls before your considerable strenght since you are th cog's colosus/superboy-prime...well maybe not superboy-prime...you haven't kicked our spectre of a dog to my memory...and since vale doesn't like to lift things and i have this thing about being 10 yards or more from my cage and banana bread stash we feel comfortable yelling and pointing randomly in hope that things will turn out correct. next add-on for the cog-mansion will be the cog-pitch for whenever that cog-world cup starts.
Wow Arkh...... by Psynapse	Jun 10th, 2006 09:56:25 AM
I think that's one of the nicest things that has ever been said to me. Right back at you my friend, right back at you.
Arkh, stuff like that does belong here by The Heathen	Jun 10th, 2006 12:41:52 PM
Feel free to talk about anything!!! That's why I honestly feel that this is the best talkback on the site. Just wait until we talk about who's doin who at the X-Mansion. "Is good, da?" All we need to do is have Prof Jr. review something every week to keep the angry trolls from early rantings and we'd be five by five. Haven't seen Cars yet, but plan on it tomorrow or the next day. * GOAL!!! * Shig, just read Runaways and you were also right about (SPOILERS) the break up between Gert and Chase. When Chase is crying and says, "Why are you doing this?!" it just felt so real. Brian K., you are awesome. Glad Karolina is back and I wonder who is gonna bite the dust? Walking Dead is still hunting me. Kirkman. Wow. *** 52 Week Five was pretty entertaining with the space heroes and stuff. Liked Starfire uhhum bathing and
thanks for the welcome guys by Arkhangelsk	Jun 10th, 2006 01:28:40 PM
so, let me be a total noob here and ask: why Cogs? can someone explain? and as i said Cars is just more Pixar greatness. the short film preceding it, One Man Band is absolute pure genius. and while Cars may probably end up being my least favorite Pixar movie, it's still a great film. end credits had me peeing my pants. a couple of jokes in there that will sail right over the kiddies head. and, well, best part would probably be when the opening sequence is picked up again at the end, bookending the whole thing. But you know what Pixar, and Cars is? it's storytelling. and those guys are master storytellers. like i said, going for the classics, and making it fresh again. i think i'll go watch Finding Nemo. (oh, did you guys know they were gonna make a documentary about the rise of Emo bands? it's gonna be called Finding Emo!)
Cog origins by The Heathen	Jun 10th, 2006 02:55:31 PM
Blame Miller and Bendis really. Last July a group of tb'ers had talked so much (primarily due to the first issue of All Star Batman) that it was almost time for the next weeks column. Then, Darth Kal-El (The last Sith from Krypton) said these historical words, "I think we can keep it going till this weeks column. Who's with me?" To which I replied, "I'm with you.' Thus, the All Weekers were born with Darth Kal-El, Shigeru, El Vale, blackthought, Gus Nukem (where are you, Gus?) and The Heathen. A few weeks later after going 24/7 we all thought we needed something catchier than just "The All Weekers" so we were discussing Bendis and his dialogue that included many "the hells?", "da fugs", etc. Somebody asked what he would say next and I said he'd probably call somebody a "COG SMOOCH." And there you have it. Our official name was born. The All Week Cog Smooches or even more in depth, The International League of All Week Cog Smooches. Thalya and Psy have been the only official added members. And by official I mean they were cool and it kinda just happened. Kismet? I dunno? There's no handshake to the club though as some of the grumpier tb'ers have chided. I think that's it. Cogs? (We should link the Cog Smooches origin to someplace, no?)
Here's the birthplace of the Cogs by The Heathen	Jun 10th, 2006 02:59:16 PM
Before we were called the Cogs. The first all week tb. http://tinyurl.com/qknwp Darth's words are about 3/4 down the page. Enjoy and Happy Early Anniversary Cogs!!!
true... by blackthought	Jun 10th, 2006 03:27:46 PM
we should be in wikipedia by now...i'd like to get a link to the origin of "last" with me and gus' mug shots...i'm pretty sure gus has a mug shot...he is greek...one man band was a very good short...i'm liking the re-emerging short cartoon feature before the full lenght feature...hmmm...breads...
is good da?!! by Darth Kal-El	Jun 10th, 2006 05:24:11 PM
welcome arkh! any friend of thaya and psy...welll u know.good summary heath!and blackthought im in total world cup mode!u,vale and me are going to be monopolizing the big screens in the mansion for the time being! yeah the game was a bit uneven and seriously the poles played like ass but its true-some colombian coaching partnered with some ecuadorian skills does wonders-were in the muthafugging world cup for christ sake! hopefully well continue to do well.either way all the games are going to be SUHWEEET to watch.i havent seen cars yet but its on the weekend to do list.i did go to the omen and it is pretty forgettable like everyone is saying. and then i snuck into xmen 3*sheepish grin*i know, i know everyone hated it but i just cant get enough!and if by alll hte muscle u meant the beer belly then yes thats me.
happy early anniversary cogs!! by Darth Kal-El	Jun 10th, 2006 05:46:03 PM
i was reading through that link heath posted with our "origin" and there is some hilarious shit in there!seriously go back and re read it. ive been laughing like a loon at some of the posts. for example-vale asks Are there any girls in these AICN comics talkbacks? Or in the whole of AICN? to which buzz replies Nope. AICN Is Where You Come When You're Tired Of Getting Laid. Everyone here has gotten laid so much that we need a break so we come here.' so vale says 'All that getting laid makes geeks starve for discussions about Frank Miller'buzz comes back with 'No. Yer Putting The Cart Before The Horse. You have the discussions about Frank Miller to insure that you won't get laid.'the prof chimes in with this 'Yes, there's one girl... Say "hi" to all the boys, Dave. :D '. and then theres the scene buzz was hired by arad to write for FF2-LMAO!
there's some crazy stuff in those old tb's by The Heathen	Jun 10th, 2006 06:22:32 PM
none of which I'll admit to
I hope Dave isn't dead by El Vale	Jun 10th, 2006 06:30:36 PM
That is all...for now.
where is dave? by Darth Kal-El	Jun 10th, 2006 11:35:35 PM

Spider-Man by dregmobile	Jun 11th, 2006 01:23:25 AM
Yeah, I enjoyed Cars. For some reason I hated the short. Didn't notice the Trainspotting reference in the Rat trailer. Cool. *** Spider-Man: I've just come on board for this hero and I've found superhero + Co.'s thoughts on this informative. It has made me wonder why I seem to jump aboard these titles when in the eyes of true comic buffs, things are going to shit (ie. starting Supes with his Death, starting Bats when Knightfall hit, now on board for all these Marvel heroes in the event of the CW). Maybe I need my head scanned. Or maybe it's just been an issue of timing and finances for me. Good to get your perspectives, though. I will now hold back from debating any further about Spider-Man's potential character development in this CW arc. *** The World Cup interests me in as far as my country Australia is participating. Japan will probably kick our barbecued arse tomorrow night. The UK/Paragay match was fun, though.
i have the aussies getting out their group w/brazil.. by blackthought	Jun 11th, 2006 02:39:08 AM
a bit of that kewell magic maybe...more likely cahill and viduka.
Dave's not here, man. by Dave_F	Jun 11th, 2006 02:42:20 AM
But I will be your girl if the price is right. My price being, you respond in the TalkBacks when I review a book no one cares about. Then I love you long time.
DAVE!!!!!! by Darth Kal-El	Jun 11th, 2006 04:26:45 AM
holy shit man! we thought u were MIA!!you had to be absent for a while to take care of that whole Avi Arad thing huh?n was that you behind the whole 'original trilogy' on DVD thing? probably not. that was unprofessional and Dave_F is NOT unprofessional.good to have you back man!
DAVE!!!! indeed by blackthought	Jun 11th, 2006 09:27:45 AM
dave, i was worried about you...i began a search, i asked the questions...other cogs responded as if we were the green lantern corps with all our cog rings activating and responding to the distress call...and lo and behold...dave has been found...i think i'm crying...what's your price again dave?
DAVE!!!! indeed, indeed by The Heathen	Jun 11th, 2006 11:40:09 AM
I was just putting on my emergency batsuit with Booster Gold sponsor stickers and having my cog ring activated by the spectregans ectoplasm to go and find the, Dave_F!!! Good to hear from you. So much has happened. I haven't heard your disdain for IC or Civil War. I need to hear that stuff. Keeps me balanced. I've read 100%, Black Hole, Mouse Guard but waiting on Atheist to finish though
hold the phone, dreg by The Heathen	Jun 11th, 2006 11:59:30 AM
just because you've come into comics when everyone else thinks they've gone to the shitter, doesn't mean you can't enjoy them and enjoy them for whatever reasons they may be. Right now, is an interesting time for the medium in general. Indie's are strong if you know where to look and superhero books are not as consistant, but a lot of them are kicking ass. Here's what I suggest: If you like Spidey, then keep reading it, but it would also be cool if you caught up on the major backstory's he was involved in (not The Other though, that was just bad) so when some 'comic buff' get's antzy you can know what he's moaning about. Marvel is going through major changes right now, but let me offer a bunch of titles from everywhere that should possibly interest you. MARVEL: Runaways, Daredevil, Captain America, Uncanny X-Men (when Brubaker takes over), Astonishing X-Men, X-Factor, Young Avengers, Son of M and you might as well through in New Avengers because stuff will kinda happen in there from time to time. DC: Having just gone through there big event, a lot of there books are going back to more story and character driven books. Check out Action Comics, Detective Comics (Paul Dini & JH Willimans), Batman (Morrison!!!), Superman, Green Lantern, All Star Superman, Birds of Prey and Justice. Justice League is about to relaunch too and Wonder Woman just did as well. INDIE BOOKS (KINDA): Walking Dead, Mouse Guard, Invincible, Exterminators, Fell, Shaolin Cowboy, Elk's Run are all good. Hope that helps and if nothing else I took up some bandwith! But always debate! You're never wrong if you're right and being right is just a matter of opinion. Just ask moviemack
well-put Heathen, I'd also put DMZ in that list... by Clifford Brown	Jun 11th, 2006 02:34:57 PM
Invincible I require and Blue Beetle actually isn't bad either if you haven't read it yet. (I'm trying out Ion but it's tough to see if it works out to anything soon)
but.. by blackthought	Jun 11th, 2006 03:01:35 PM
don't pay for x3...you forgot that heathen.
They're normal-sized! (Thank GOD!) by Thalya	Jun 11th, 2006 04:44:06 PM
Ark: good for you! Also, if you need ArchEnemies deets, go here and then check out the main page linked there: myspace.com/TrishDarrow And I think I'm addicted. My shop isn't getting #3 until next week and I'm almost to the point of getting the shakes. *** In other news: DAVE!!!! And dude, I just picked up the first 3 Mouse Guards and got the chance to have them signed by their creator at a con I went to last weekend. Very great stuff, so thanks for starting the recommendation train.
Oh, and also... by Thalya	Jun 11th, 2006 05:12:54 PM
I just got done sweating over a hot stove, so there's banana bread and pumpkin spice bread for all. Anyone touches my blueberry bread though, I cut you!
Thanks for the list, Heathen. by dregmobile	Jun 11th, 2006 07:55:40 PM
I remember some talk about Nextwave a while back - is that as good as people were saying? I don't have the cash to check out all those titles. But since you put three exclamation points after Morrison's name, perhaps I really should throw Batman back on my order when he starts. I'm already on board for Uncanny and New Avengers. Waiting for #19 in the mail before I begin reading. Need to get the House of M TP before I check out Son of M. Thalya, I remembered to seek out Manhunter in store but was so consumed with getting my head around all those Marvel TP's I completely forgot! But I did pick up Wolverine 41 which I will check out soon. Right now I'm catching up on that Hypothetical Bullshit arc on JLA Classified. Daredevil and Punisher strike me as interestingly gritty pulp. The Green Lantern stuff I will keep away from since there are just too many people with those rings, it's like having one Green Lantern hero splintered into ten. I actually miss Kyle Rayner. This new faceless hero ION gives me the creeps. Blue Beetle looks kinda cool. But what I will check out now that I have copied and pasted your post onto a word doc are those indie titles you suggested - a world I know nothing about outside of Erik Larsen's b/w TMNT (which he did some years ago). I'm gonna suit up, grab me some banana bread and see what I find out there ...
Anybody read Batman and the Monster Men? by Clifford Brown	Jun 11th, 2006 08:06:48 PM

.... by blackthought	Jun 11th, 2006 08:23:40 PM

I just want to know if it's worth getting into. by Clifford Brown	Jun 11th, 2006 08:36:22 PM
So many Batman mini's out these days, it's tough to figure which ones to consider trying out.
its pretty damn tight cliff by Darth Kal-El	Jun 11th, 2006 11:52:30 PM
im a huge matt wagner fan from back in the mage days so i might be a little biased but its an awesome story. i suggest waiting for the trade since its about to come out in a nice hardcover version for about 20.00. but yes highly recomended
If Civil War Frontline is anything to go by ... by dregmobile	Jun 12th, 2006 12:42:49 AM
... i'd say it's a safe bet Spidey is definitely about to go public with his identity. Interesting short/poem at the issue's end - I had no idea the US government shipped its Japanese citizens to war camps during WW2 until I saw Hikaru Sulu mention so on one of my Trek DVDs. It's an interesting issue. Oh, and Wolverine 41 rocked. Fantastic art.
Dave, tell us where you've been by El Vale	Jun 12th, 2006 12:58:23 AM
You'd better not be tired of us you bastard!
That was my first Wolverine too dregmobile... by Clifford Brown	Jun 12th, 2006 12:59:20 AM
Really intense issue. I just don't think Spider-Man will reveal. I really don't. If he does than so be it... but I don't think it will happen. Something or someone(Captain America?) will stop him from doing it.
Question by El Vale	Jun 12th, 2006 12:59:46 AM
Anyone else aching to read Lost Girls. 75 bucks, le sigh...i don't have that kind of money!
.... by blackthought	Jun 12th, 2006 06:40:09 AM

Blueberry Bread by Shigeru	Jun 12th, 2006 12:01:32 PM
What is that code for, Thalya? * Sorry I've been away for a few days peoples... the Mom was up visiting... went to the Dragon Boat festival in Boston on Sunday and saw some sweet Japanese Taiko Drumming, ect. * Hooray for Walking Dead being the the best it's ever been. ...And did The Question say "ELF NEEDS FOOD BADLY" in 52???? Holy CRAP!
FIRST by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 12th, 2006 12:33:00 PM
Well, it's my first TB anyway...
Spidey reveals and we all riot. by GreatA'Tuin	Jun 12th, 2006 12:38:20 PM
That is all
bunches of stuff by The Heathen	Jun 12th, 2006 12:41:04 PM
I don't care what blueberry is code for, cause I'm hungry for some (don't cut me!). I had half a blueberry donut this morning. It was devine. Mmm
suffest? thise? by The Heathen	Jun 12th, 2006 12:43:49 PM
Suggest and those. Welcome, GreatA'Tuin.
Heathen by Shigeru	Jun 12th, 2006 01:03:45 PM
Thanks for that link to the founding TB... I was reading through it and found "i have a jeep warnagler" and I just lost it and started laughing out loud...hahaha
No prob, Cog by The Heathen	Jun 12th, 2006 01:19:57 PM
Yeah, that tb is fun times. I can't find the one were we actually came up with the Cog tag, but I found the one before and after it. *** I checked out the Entourage tb and remember why I usually never read any other tb on this site for the most part.
No code whatsoever by Thalya	Jun 12th, 2006 01:26:20 PM
It's just Mom's blueberry bread recipe. Mmm...blueberries.. Also, is it just me or in Wonder Woman does it seem like Heinberg's already going for something thematic in his choice of Diana's partner?
i love the warnagler by Darth Kal-El	Jun 12th, 2006 02:04:25 PM
that is good times indeed guys! entourage was great! i like that show

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