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Yikes... more OT STAR WARS DVD details have been released and Quint goes on a little rant...

Talkback degerates to: "Wah wah, I want my anamorphic!" by Tall_Boy	May 17th, 2006 06:03:13 PM
"And 5.1 sounds! Wah, wah, fucking, wah!" Etc. etc. You're getting the originals now. shut up. Eat it.
I second exactly what Tall_Boy said... by Edward_nygma	May 17th, 2006 06:09:59 PM
...shut up. Eat it.
You wanted them untouched! Lucas says F.U.!!! by ShiftyEyedDog	May 17th, 2006 06:10:27 PM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is great! All you whining fanboys wanted them unchanged and you got it! Lucas gave you just what you asked for! Oh, wait.... you want them changed, but only in ways you approve of! Stop your bitching. If you dont want it, dont buy it.
those were great posters by TodayzSpecial	May 17th, 2006 06:11:33 PM
I agree that they should've gone totally retro with the old posters on the dvd boxed sets. I bet they'll do that with the blu-ray or HD. Are there any extras?
Oh Lordy by CaptDanielRoe	May 17th, 2006 06:12:02 PM
I didn't hate the new films desperately, I sort of love them on their own as a standalone. But damned if the originally trilogy doesn't stand as source material for someone to make some new kick ass movies. And that includes as source material not so much the contents of the celluloid, but the world of expectations and spurred fantasies; many unrealized but some recorded as in that marvelous art above. I don't mean swiping the trademarks, obviously. But it's not like they were exactly original to begin with. And you know what, I think Lucas would second what I just wrote.
there was so much backlash by Monkey Butler	May 17th, 2006 06:13:50 PM
against the Special Edition DVDs, and so many people actually said they'd prefer just the originals, nothing more. Now you're getting that. You really can't complain. Yes, it's probably just Lucas money-grubbing, but he's been doing that for about 20 years now, and you're actually getting exactly what you asked for, so where's the beef?
Those Cover images stink! by Christopher_atUC	May 17th, 2006 06:14:41 PM
I'm shocked that they're putting those crappy Photoshopped image on the cover. Star Wars has a history of excellent artwork, and the posters that were chosen for this article are wonderful examples of that art. It seems they just don't care about the fans anymore, and they have no interest in giving us what we want.
Meat puppets by jasper Stillwell	May 17th, 2006 06:15:28 PM
Like Lucas could give a rats' ass - he has the 'stuff' kiddies and knows he just has to wave it at you to make you snaffle it all up....the Christmas special will be next, you know it, with special CGI inserts and a couple of new songs with the assistance of Kanye West. You know it.
Anamorphic widescreen is NOT changing the films. by MrD	May 17th, 2006 06:15:40 PM
Neither is cleaning them. 5.1 surround? Yes, that IS an alteration, and so I don't mind getting plain old stereo here. The idea should be to showcase the films, not dump them on the audience.
yeah, it sounds like he is screwing them up on purpose by Rupee88	May 17th, 2006 06:15:42 PM
The fact that they won't be anamorphic transfers is absurd. He's trying to sabotage these releases as much as possible. The DVD cover art does look really amateurish. Well, I haven't bought any SW DVDs and probably won't buy this one either. I have a bootleg one from the laserdiscs and that will suffice.
actually i agree by TheLastBystander	May 17th, 2006 06:18:18 PM
i'm not the biggest SW fan ever, but I was glad to hear the original releases were coming. However, I don't think it's too much to ask that the prints be restored... I mean technically we're not getting what was there originally, we're getting worn down crappy prints. That's why stuff is remastered, to help recreate the original experience. It's done with almost every big film (from The Towering Inferno to Lawrence of Arabia), and if it ends up these rumors are true, I will not be picking up this set. Simple as that.
It's Too Soon! by kevinwillis.net	May 17th, 2006 06:18:20 PM
I'm not over the trauma of Jar-Jar Binks. Why must we open these old wounds?
Again, this is not the originals by Quint	May 17th, 2006 06:18:49 PM
I want the originals. Nothing more, as you guys have said. I want the original mono/stereo soundtrack. I want the matte lines clearly visable. Do you not understand why I'd be upset about the transfer not being anamorphic? The films weren't originally released letterboxed, fellas. They were originally released in anamorphic widescreen. You can act as cynically superior all you want, but you're incorrect if you say we're getting what we asked for and now whining about it.
" You know what this needs? More Outer Glow!" by Big Bad Clone	May 17th, 2006 06:18:57 PM
Those are worse than the stuff I saw in a recent Photoshop class.
George Lucas raped my wallet!! by Sonic Reducer	May 17th, 2006 06:19:29 PM
I'm holding out for the super double secret midichlorian yoda smackdown editions where Chewie parts his fur to the left. But that's just me.
Why not put out a crappy version? by I_Snake_Plissken	May 17th, 2006 06:19:43 PM
Hey you lemmings, don
and i don't own... by TheLastBystander	May 17th, 2006 06:20:01 PM
... the first special edition release of the dvds. unlike some fans, I like Star Wars a lot, but I don't think they're the greatest movies ever, and I don't feel the need to give Lucas any money for a product that is not up to par. I do have dvd rips tho. Yeah, I'm evil.
George Lucas Should Sell Drugs. by buster00	May 17th, 2006 06:20:49 PM
He would be good at it. And he would make more money.
ORIGINAL LOGOS/FONTS, Lucas!!! by IAmJack'sUserID	May 17th, 2006 06:21:08 PM
Stupid generic Roman Numeral crap! Where is the awesome logos that we saw 30 years ago! Lucas didn't rape my childhood but he definitely hugged it a little too overly-friendly.
good point Quint by TheLastBystander	May 17th, 2006 06:21:58 PM
again I agree. and yes, it's about getting money. thats' ALL IT IS ABOUT. Lucas has made one hit film, and has been riding it forever (Empire technically wasn't his film, American Grafitti was a hit though, and the prequels wouldn't have done well if they weren't STAR WARS. otherwise they are mediocre Sci-Fi.)
Why bitch about the DVD covers now? by DocPazuzu	May 17th, 2006 06:21:59 PM
They've been equally horrible since The Phantom Menace came out. These new ones are in the same hideous style. Like the guy said, go online and download any number of cool covers. My LD rip DVDs have the original movie poster art and look great. The spines are designed to go along with the official releases so they really fit in with the others on the shelf.
Lordy! by vinceklortho	May 17th, 2006 06:22:08 PM
You think they were going to put that poster art on the original trilogy covers? Believe me, I would love to see that as well, but this is just pure nerdy wishing and dreaming. By the way, Empire isn't too bad, special edition, so that keeps me happy. But, on the other hand, me needs Return of the Jedi...ORIGINAL!! The Ewok song is so much better at the end and doesn't have that stupid ass cartoon dancing in it. Anyway, George Lucas could give two shits...otherwise us lowly Star War nerds will cease to exist. We need to bitch continually about Star Wars until the day we day..we shall never be happy. Anyway, I don't know if I want to buy this new set. Maybe I'll ask my Grandma to buy it for me for next Christmas. hahaha, see you later, Granny! You can pay Lucas!
Wait Wait Wait.... by Darth Melkor	May 17th, 2006 06:22:21 PM
These are NOT anamorphic transfers? So on a widescreen HDTV it'll be in the middle, or stretched out to look like garbage? Lucas just lost my purchase, seriously.
and finally by TheLastBystander	May 17th, 2006 06:23:54 PM
if you want to show you disapprove, DON'T BUY THIS. that simple, he keeps milking it because dumbass fans keep buying.
I even have... by DocPazuzu	May 17th, 2006 06:25:27 PM
...LD rip DVDs of the 1997 re-releases with the new Struzan art covers.
What The Hell Am I Saying...? by buster00	May 17th, 2006 06:25:41 PM
George Lucas DOES sell drugs.
I'm still waiting for... by SPlissken	May 17th, 2006 06:28:08 PM
the 6 different DVD versions of Tucker. And the 9 versions of Willow. Then, their Blu-Ray releases. Can't wait.
Please don't flame but by quadrupletree	May 17th, 2006 06:28:16 PM
Can someone explain the difference between anamorphic and letter boxed? Aren't they both "widescreen"?
Why no Howard the Duck? by jasper Stillwell	May 17th, 2006 06:29:42 PM
If anything needs a CGI make over it's that. Even John Barry won't talk about it.
For those who don't get the anamorphic thing.... by epitone	May 17th, 2006 06:31:33 PM
...download one of those trailers from the Apple site, at the smallest possible resolution. Then blow it up to full screen. That's what it's like trying to watch a letterboxed DVD on a widescreen set.
quadrupletree by DocPazuzu	May 17th, 2006 06:32:32 PM
Simply put, in non-anamorphic widescreen the black bars are actually part of the picture, thus using up precious lines of resolution. Anamorphic uses the entire allotment of visual info for the image, meaning that the black bars are the absence of visual information. If you want a better explanation, there's a a special page for it att www.digitalbits.com
It's good to have the originals back by Crimson Dynamo	May 17th, 2006 06:38:02 PM
but damn that terrible bluescreen in ROJ drives me crazy
i haven't bought a tv in a while... by seekshelter	May 17th, 2006 06:41:36 PM
so this isnt going to affect me.. haha... thats sad..
quint's confusing the issue by Silver Shamrock	May 17th, 2006 06:41:58 PM
The originals were not show in letter box, they were shown in their original aspect ratio of 2.35. To reproduce it correctly at home, it HAS TO BE letterboxed because it's wide. The isssue is not "will we get the entire picture" because that answer is yes, we will get the original aspect ratio, as god, nature and the baby jesus intended. What we WON'T get is a picture enhanced for widescreen TV resolution which sucks to no end. You people with small 4:3 sets won't be able to tell a difference.
i am a recovering starwars addict. by mocky_puppet	May 17th, 2006 06:45:27 PM
i kicked the habit after it became toxic; that was just before episode ii came out. maybe a little after. i was hooked bad, but i got help. when i read that he was going to release some "semi original" versions, han shooting first, i just turned away and said "no thanks." that was my proudest day. fu, mister film maker. f to the u. and no indy 4 for me, either.
So this won't affect me at all by quadrupletree	May 17th, 2006 06:54:29 PM
Thanks for freaking me out Quint. Bring on OT! (Those covers are shit though, I'll make my own :)
JESUS QUINT! by Bean_	May 17th, 2006 06:57:18 PM
How DARE you be passionate about something??? In all honesty dude, don't appologize for the rant, we all have our passions, why can't a movie be one of them? I'm far too young to have seen the originals; I grew up with the Special Editions. I do remember Return of the Jedi being on TV in its original form once when I was about 5... Can't say I prefer it to the SE though. :\
WAH! WAH! by HK_Cavalier	May 17th, 2006 06:58:00 PM
I want my supercallafragimorphic, and 11.3 surround aural implant sounnd, or I absolutely won't stop crying.
What the hell is Revenge of the Jedi? by conniebrean	May 17th, 2006 07:03:00 PM
Whatever happened to Return of the Jedi?
I don't mind SE's, except... by SPlissken	May 17th, 2006 07:06:10 PM
I really don't mind the Special Editions, with 2 huge exceptions. I hate that Han doesn't shoot first. and I hate young Anakin showing up at the end of ROJ. Lucas should make an Extra Special Edition: A fly lands on the wall behind Han, so Greedo shoots it, then Han shoots Greedo. and young Anakin ghost is the crispy limbless Anakin from the end of Ep III. Then, I'll be much happier.
dude ... by pistolopera	May 17th, 2006 07:06:49 PM
i'm sorry -- i'm an old school star wars geek too (altho i love the prequels, and also have NO problem with the special edition tweaks), but COME ON!! you WANT the matte lines in there?? dude -- get a friggin LIFE! ... that's like saying, "i can only listen to the beatles on VINYL!" --- do you remember that mr. show sketch where odenkirk played the luddite?? ... what you're on about has NOTHING to do with the brilliance of the star wars saga and everything to do with you fetishizing your childhood. yes, your ideas about the packaging are good (and the ones they're going with ARE pretty terrible), but GEEZ -- you've got your cheesy laserdiscs already, what more do you want?!?
i'm torn by jigzaw	May 17th, 2006 07:07:09 PM
I don't have a widescreen tv and won't for a long time, so they would look like normal DVD's, but someday I will have a widescreen t.v. and will be seriously pissed about it. I also don't want to support a lackluster effort. As with any other older movie, a simple anamorphic remaster is totally doable. They're just choosing to go "See? The old ones don't look so great, do they?". It's pure spite, and I'd rather not support it.
REVENGE OF THE JEDI! by HK_Cavalier	May 17th, 2006 07:08:16 PM
Quint used photoshop to update it and make it more EXTREME for the new generation of SW fans.
I like the new RoTJ cover art better anyways by Ye Not Guilty	May 17th, 2006 07:09:12 PM
C'mon, the original one-sheet art sucks, admit it. The only reason it is considered "kewl" is because it uses the original "Revenge" title. Leia is a chain-mail bikini is soooo much better.
conniebrean by quadrupletree	May 17th, 2006 07:09:23 PM
Revenge of the Jedi was the original title before someone pointed out to Lucas that "revenge" was not something that a Jedi would do, so they changed it to Return of the Jedi but by then they had already printed up posters and shit. If you believe Lucas' side of the story he did it on purpose to catch bootleggers (whatever).
nub nub by pistolopera	May 17th, 2006 07:11:12 PM
quint : star wars eric the midget : american idol
So, are the League Of A$$holes taking the week off? by Son of Batman	May 17th, 2006 07:15:53 PM
And they call themselves comic fans. Sheesh. What an embarrassment.
No sale! by Paul T. Ryan	May 17th, 2006 07:25:55 PM
Anyone think that Lucas's attitude to the original versions of Star Wars is a little like some tyranical father who makes his daughters dress ugly so that no man will want them?
It does seem like Lucas trying to make suck on purpose. by minderbinder	May 17th, 2006 07:26:55 PM
I'm surprised he's not just projecting a mono 16mm print and taping it with his camcorder for the transfer. And what's with the 4: a new hope? I thought this transfer was the one without that in the crawl? And have they said anything about pricing on these? I'm leaning more toward just duping these, if they were actually well done I'd be more than happy to pay for them. What else can they fuck up? (and for the record, I'm fine with the matte lines as well)
Lucas and cosmetic surgery. by Paul T. Ryan	May 17th, 2006 07:34:24 PM
I already have a DVD rip of the Jedi laserdisc and I think I'll stick with that for now. I also think that if Lucas had been born in the body of a bored LA trophy wife, he'd probably resemble Jocelyn Wildesntein by now...
the REAL Lucas re-release I want... by mookie2001	May 17th, 2006 07:34:39 PM
...is TWICE UPON A TIME! The profane PG Version shown on HBO! C'mon, who's with me?
George Lucas, I'll make sure to give by Jimmie Dimmick	May 17th, 2006 07:35:13 PM
away a different version of your saga every night of Hanukkah.
You OT fanboys will never happy by EmPerfectCror	May 17th, 2006 07:37:00 PM
Lucas gives you what you want, AND YOU STILL BITCH! S.T.F.U!
Yep, exactly as I thought. by SalvatoreGravano	May 17th, 2006 07:39:17 PM
Although I have to say I was expecting more halos on the covers. Other than that, everything is, er, "normal". But then, we do have the 4-DVDR Dr Gonzo, Editdroid, TR47 et al sets... :)
Oh God... by quadrupletree	May 17th, 2006 07:40:55 PM
We're not going to be happy until there is a technology that allows us to each make our own "version" of the movie. Like that branching DVD technology that allows them to have both the directors cut and original version on the same disk. you just dial up what is and isn't acceptable to you and viola your perfect "version" of star wars.
to be fair by bluebottle	May 17th, 2006 07:47:01 PM
it is kind of retarded to not release them for anamorphic sets.
"Lucas gives you what you want' by minderbinder	May 17th, 2006 07:48:47 PM
Who ever said they wanted shitty encoding on the DVD?? Hell, why not just use one layer of the DVD so we have to flip it halfway through? It's also lame that it's only stereo even though the movies all had surround mixes for the original release.
I WANT MY ANAMORPHIC, DAMMIT!!! by -sfx-	May 17th, 2006 07:56:18 PM
What's anamorphic?
whats the big deal by Darth Kal-El	May 17th, 2006 08:03:30 PM
i like the SE versions just fine. they enhanced for me what where already the best movies of my childhood.
Episode 1 is the best prequel, it needs an SE by performingmonkey	May 17th, 2006 08:03:55 PM
Fuck this release, I'm waiting for the HD-DVD/Blu-ray entire saga EVERYTHING DEFINITIVE INCLUDING MOTHERFUCKING DELETED SCENES release. This should include the classic original trilogy, unraped on 3 discs, and NEW special editions on 3 discs called the FINAL FINAL FUCKING FINAL EDITIONS of ANH, ESB and ROTJ, which feature ALL the sabers PROPERLY fixed, further updates to the CG (make Jabba look better, make the Greedo shooting first shot look more natural, upgrade the Tatooine CG, upgrade the dogfight CG etc.), ADD the following (the Imperial March in a couple of places in ANH, some themes from the prequels, extra stuntwork for the Obi/Vader 'duel', CG many of the remaining model shots in all 3 movies, redo the Hayden shot at the end of ROTJ, CG Luke and Vader doing flips and twirls in ROTJ, CG Emperor pulls out saber and duels Luke, force-throws his chair at Luke, the Emperor at the reactor core when Lando arrives - he blasts an X-Wing with lightning, CG all Ewoks, digitally remove Leia's bikini etc.). Also, the set should include special editions of the three prequels, with CG Yoda in TPM, consistent sabers for all 3 movies, update the Coruscant skyline to be like ROTS, digitally recast Natalie Portman and Hayden Christensen with Larry the Cable Guy and Kirsten Dunst.
I am done by RedScab	May 17th, 2006 08:06:14 PM
You what I am done with star wars. I am throwing away all my toys, all the DVDs and VHS tapes, all the video games, everything. This really pisses me off the way lucas keeps trying to milk us fans. I say screw him, save your money and support something with some vision like BSG. Lets GO MAVS!!!!!!
I don't know what's worse... by Be like water	May 17th, 2006 08:06:23 PM
Having to actually find something to do with the rest of my day now that I'm not hearing all you jokers (I love you all) complain about "Han [not] shooting first", or the fact that these things will be NON-ANAMORPHIC. Alas, we all know Lucas is the spokesperson for "advancing technologies" for the industry -- even though the industry itself hates his guts. You know, it really is astounding to me how He can offer JUST enough to make us buy his shit, but hold back JUST enough to also make those of us without the LATEST, GREATEST TECHNOLOGY feel like ignorant assholes.
I want the original art that said "The Star Wars"! by pewterschmidt	May 17th, 2006 08:07:39 PM
And it should have the scene with Biggs Darklighter in it.
I have the originals. Here - the reel to reel versions! by Orionsangels	May 17th, 2006 08:08:08 PM
Can't get better than that
George youold thieving bastard! by jimbubble	May 17th, 2006 08:08:38 PM
So you get the fans to buy the SE,then the the sorry excuse for prequels,and now you expect people to go out and spend somemore of our hard earned cash just to inflate your ball bag of an egop? Well fuck you big style,and to think we once had some respect for your vision too? Away and spend your money and massage your abnormally over-blown ego you Zionist schill!
For pete's sake, how clear was the image in `77? by moondoggy2u	May 17th, 2006 08:22:17 PM
I was 17 when Star Wars debuted in theaters, and there is no way on G-d's green earth that the picture was as clear as the remastered versions you found on laserdisc in the early `90s. You OT fanboys need to get your act together and realize that it was a shitty picture back then with 2 channel stereo sound and you are just begging for picture and sound changes so long as they are the changes/updates you want. The fact is, all movies from before the mid-eighties lose bits of sound, require changes and rescoring/re-recording, etc. Heck, look what happened to Lawrence of Arabia, for crying out loud. And the more successful a movie is, the more wear and tear is put on the original prints, too. As the first poster so eloquently stated, you PT purists got what you wanted: the original film in all its original, shoddy-sounding, worn-out glory. Enjoy the idiotic nostolgia, the 70s kitch. Enjoy it and eat it!
scuze me, thats OT purists, not PT purists by moondoggy2u	May 17th, 2006 08:25:46 PM
Oh, and whomever feels that the disc covers are horrible need to take a look at those horrifying covers they used for last year's star wars DVD covers. Those things are a true work of horror. Heck, most of them even had their perspective all screwed up. I still dont know why George never used the movie posters for ALL of the dvds, including the PT.
CAN You Hear Me NOW ??!! by Lain Of The Net	May 17th, 2006 08:25:49 PM
I'm a Trekkie. I'm used to being ripped off. One episode per tape, Two episodes per disc, season disc sets made in Mexico. Over priced each and every time. There is only one way to get your way as a fan. Stop buying and move on. I stopped after I spent tons on the TOS tapes and most of NG on disc. When the releases are done properly and at a reasonable price I might continue. I have the tape versions of the first Star Wars trilogy. I have no intention of buying any more until Lord Lucas does it right. That means anamorphic, cleaned up prints, and remastered sound. At some point I am going to have the hardware to watch this stuff right and I don't intend to buy countless versions just because some sad little nerd thinks he can get away with it. That also means you can keep your second disc version for yourself you horrible little man. Listen up Lucas and save a bundle on fan surveys. We know what we liked and when we liked it and we don't pay for it dozens of times. The series as a whole made more sense before you added all the extra cartoon characters. The Republic was diverse but by the time of the Empire humanoid types were the preferred. Like maybe there was an underlying comment about racism running throughout. Maybe unintentional but sometimes the underlying feeling of a work becomes more apparent over time. Sometimes that's what we are responding to - that little message underneath all the gloss. That's what can make films great - meaning something to people way past the expiry date. All Lucas has done with his revisions is to sour his own milk. Thumbs up to mocky_puppet who walked away. You SHOULD be proud.
One HUNDRED PERCENT VALID CRITICISM by 900LBGorilla	May 17th, 2006 08:26:31 PM
Lucas has been a flat out ass on this from day ONE. I also won
There's a difference between CGI-ing shit and cleaning by zikade zarathos	May 17th, 2006 08:26:46 PM
Anyone with an OUNCE of common sense can see the UNIVERSE of difference between making the original material look the absolute best it can and changing things to the story/plot/structure/character s. It's like saying that there's no difference between cleaning the Sistine Chapel and grabbing a paint-brush and adding in shit.
zikade and gorilla by moondoggy2u	May 17th, 2006 08:35:55 PM
But you guys dont just want the picture cleaned, you want it sharpened and heightened beyond what was shown in the original theaters. And I'd hate to burst anybody's bubble, but the movie was not in surround sound--unless you happened to live in LA, chicago, or NY city. For the majority of americans, it was 2 channel stereo in the theaters. See, the fact is, you guys are all okay with changes in theaters, so long as its the changes that heighten your experience. While it has been done in a rather back-handed fashion, I do support Lucas's decision to release it NON anamorphic and only 2 channel. Why? Like him, I'm sick of all your bitching and moaning and wish very much to see you guys eat the shit you've been spewing for the past decade. So, here you are, enjoy!
This isnt passion. This is bullshit. by LordEnigma	May 17th, 2006 08:36:04 PM
After a full season spent reading the ramblings of GG fans. I now get the problem with some of you folks and Lucas. It's not about what Lucas gave you, the SE, or anything else. It's about your fucking hang-ups, about your inability to suspend disbelief, and your inability to get over YOUR OWN SHIT. If some folks around here could have open minds outside of their own little criteria for things. If they could think outside the box. Well, these problems would not be happening. Instead, we get this bullshit, that's nothing more than hot air.
thats changes in cinema, not changes in theaters by moondoggy2u	May 17th, 2006 08:36:49 PM

LIMITED EDITION by hollywoodsummers	May 17th, 2006 08:39:38 PM
Just so everyone knows I heard from an inside source that they are printing a very small number of these LIMITED EDITION discs. Just like the new Munich 2-disk set that you can't find anywhere now except e-bay going for more than list price. This is just another sick joke by Lucas to get us to fight to the death over his table scraps while he laughs all the way to his grave.
Yeah, the non-anamorphic thing just put me off this. by CatVutt	May 17th, 2006 08:43:03 PM
I don't see the point. The laserdic rips I have are pretty damn good anyway, and really... how many more times can I watch these fucking films at this point. I as big a SW geek as the next goob, but I've these a kajillion times. If I really feel the need to take a look, I'll get it from Netflix, maybe burn a copy since it's non-anamorphic anyway. I won't be losing a whole lot.
Hey it's ghost Tarkin. by Archduke_Chocula	May 17th, 2006 08:47:03 PM

These versions are a waste of time.. by ssr12	May 17th, 2006 08:51:12 PM
The special editions never looked or sounded better. So what that they changed a few things. It looks better you idiots! Anyone who buys a non-anamorphic non 5.1 Star Wars disc is just asking to get ass raped.
at the Fredericton Gaiety.. by Lain Of The Net	May 17th, 2006 09:05:09 PM
I first saw Star Wars in Fredericton at the old Gaiety Theater. They put in a state of the art sound system in that building which is one reason why it broke records there for the length of play. It wasn't just the visuals that brought them in - it was the sound - and it was glorious. The only time I heard it in 2 channel was when I worked in the dump of a cinema across the river a couple of years later. Wasn't just the big cities for everyone. It had more to do with who was showing it and whose building it was.
This is why Star Wars fans are considerd by slder78	May 17th, 2006 09:10:51 PM
more geeky that Star Trek fans. They go apeshit over essentially 10 hours worth of film. You want the clarity of a digitally cleaned up DVD transfer even though a straight transfer would still be a thousand times better than any viewing in any theater in the 70's. 6 channel sound? What theater did you go to where it had 4 discreet surround in '79? Are you saying the stereos we have now won't be able to do prologic? No anamorphic? Ok maybe you have a gripe there, but Jesus it's not like they're gonna pan and scan, and are you really going to miss the 3 cm of sand dune on Tatooine? Lucas owns the Star Wars universe for better or worse. As a fan you can bitch all you want but in the end you either take it or leave it whatever IT may be. You're not entitled to shit, so quit acting like you are.
I'm with you, Mookie! by JustinSane	May 17th, 2006 09:11:45 PM
Ralph the All-Purpose Animal and Mum would make short work of Vadar! Bring on that Twice Upon A Time profanity!
Quint derides talkbackers as "cynically superior ". by Tall_Boy	May 17th, 2006 09:20:50 PM
Hah, that's a laugh comming from him. Next on AICN at 11 - pots call kettle black.
Fuck you back, George... by Laserbrain	May 17th, 2006 09:22:21 PM
The 90s transfers of the OT were likely mastered at a higher resolution than the domestic Laserdisc format could deliver at the time. An anamorphic transfer probably isn't a wholly unreasonable request. ________And as for all you aesthetically challenged dillweeds who prefer the SEs and their remasters - you are fucking blind as well as tasteless. The special editions were the worst restored films I've ever seen in the cinema. The contrast seemed to have been upped too high, much colour info was lost, it looked like they added film grain. The plummeting standards of theatrical presentation have dulled all your senses to what a film should look like, you DVD gen punks.______And these covers are a disgrace. What fuckin mongoloid with a Wacom tablet shit those together? Fucked. Anyway, I guess I'll take em. The PAL versions should look nicer than the NTSC box set did. I guess that's something to be grateful for.
George Lucas has been a turd for at least 9 years now. by Freakemovie	May 17th, 2006 09:24:25 PM
That's right.
"Revenge of the Jedi" by OBSD	May 17th, 2006 09:27:28 PM
Those of us who are old enough remember that ROTJ was called "Revenge" up until a few months before its release. There's movie posters and trailers and everything. Quint wasn't being "extreme". You're just too young (or too stupid. or both) to remember.
You fan boys want some cheese with that wine???? by Yoda's Ball Sack	May 17th, 2006 09:28:47 PM
Quint get a grip. Better still quit AICN and join Lucas Films and have a real say in the matter. I'm sure George would spare you a second of his time. Same old Star Wars, same old arguments, same old hypocrites. Disgusting..........
Quint, love ya, but... by DonkeyBalls	May 17th, 2006 09:29:59 PM
...let it go. Let's be honest. We want the "original" experience because we want our childhood's back. That's it. The notion that people want the special editions for all the lofty reasons they list (film purity! preserving the original artist's poor matting!) are bullshit, and bitching about the anamorphic version is the same. This article inadvertantly summed up how mercurial fanboys are about Star Wars. Quint first proclaims that he doesn't mind the stereo or mono versions, because that's how they "originally" were, but then when someone mentions that they were actually six-track, then all of a sudden there's a new thing to bitch about. "It's not how it originally was!" Guess what? The only thing that changed was perception. And I am sick of being feeling such a need to get the absolute perfect version to their needs. You know what edition is great? The Special Edition. I don't like Han Solo shooting first. But I don't care. It happens in a millisecond. I don't care about the extra Jabba scene. I can always skip it. I don't care about the Ewok song at the end, because the original song was terrible and the newer one is at least more fitting to end a saga. I don't care about the Jedi Rocks song, but the Jabba stuff was always a silly exercise of Muppetry, and no song effects that either way. The movies in the special edition look fine, sound fine, and are 95% the same as the originals. All of this nitpicking about little details or edits or additions is a complete joke. Where do we draw the line? Quint tried to do that, and then within his own post he had to change where that line was. Get over it, watch the special editions, and spend a little more time using your imagination and enjoying the story and worry less about reliving your own percieved childhood memories (most of which are half bullshit anyway).
Quint... by Frijole	May 17th, 2006 09:32:07 PM
...and everyone else. Here is the reality. You want what you want... and you will fucking GET WHAT YOU FUCKING GET. Everyone is accusing Lucas of double-dipping... That much I can get behind. However, the notion that he could or should release the OT in every IMAGINABLE format (DVD widescreen with no alterations, widescreen with digital cleanups and a sharpened soundtrack, DVD in pan and scan with digital cleanups, DVD widescreen with the GOOD SE changes but not the bad ones etc...)is just fucking asinine. Either be a geek and get the versions that are available and use your wonder twins powers to psychically block out all the HEINOUS alterations while still soaking in the glory of the OT... or DON'T!!! It's really that easy! And by the way... cheesy photoshop job or not, I'll take the hack RoTJ cover with Leia in the gold bikini over the arty farty poster design any day of the week!
I'll second that, mongoloidbastard by ATARI	May 17th, 2006 09:33:27 PM

Oh, and HAN SHOT FIRST!! by ATARI	May 17th, 2006 09:34:11 PM
'nuff said.
Donkeyballs is right, my Padawans. . . by krullboy	May 17th, 2006 09:39:00 PM
And these people bitching are the same ones that hate the Prequels. Coincidence, I think not. Donkeyballs hit the nail on the (Hammer) head. People want to relive their childhoodm through SW. Keeping fishing for Moby Dick all you Ahabs
I already have a DVD of the laserdisc versions... by Batutta	May 17th, 2006 09:45:37 PM
I got them from malaysia. You can probably still find them. Not bad quality actually. Non-anamorphic is REAL lame.
Lol... by SG7	May 17th, 2006 09:47:20 PM
...I guess the DVD bootlegs I have made by a skilled fan from the origitnal box set LDs will do just fine. And they;re anamorphic (admitiedly scaled up from letterboxed) and in 5.1 Short story: my bootleg will look as good as this latest ass-raping from geroge. Lol
Quint is out of her mind by Razorback	May 17th, 2006 09:49:03 PM
The originals were released as mono and 2 channel. What is with this update about "6-channel audio mix"? Are your sources on crack? Anyway, I knew you little fangirls would start crying about this one. "Waaaahhh!!! Lucas released these versions and didn't do anything to make them the way I wanted them released, wahhhh!" You get what you deserve... and in this case, you are getting too much.
No fair Lucas! I wanna time machine to 77!!! Wah!!! by Orionsangels	May 17th, 2006 09:50:03 PM
I want the DVD box to smell like the 70's. I want disco music when i open that DVD case. I want that shitty movie screen from 70's cinema. I want pops and cracks in my star wars. I want pot to fall out of that DVD case. give me old star wars!!! give me genesis kirk!!! ahhh!!!
Not Buying by Darth Melkor	May 17th, 2006 09:56:10 PM
If these were anamorphic transfers with 5.1 (you know like EVERY DVD THAT COMES OUT THESE DAYS) I would buy without a doubt. But with the 30th anniversay next year and the 3D release I'm avoiding these cause there will be another Star Wars box set within 2 years I guarantee. I knew something was up with these versions when I saw the original theatrical cuts listed as "BONUS MATERIAL".
you know what really pissed me off with SW? by Negatif1	May 17th, 2006 09:56:22 PM
When Revenge of the Sith turned out alright. I was pissed after the CGI that made up the special editions, pissed after Jar-Jar's Great Adventure, and then I just found a way to stop caring. I laughed right through Attack of the Clones - where our heroes fly right on past the Clone Wars so we can see them fight arena monsters and run on a conveyor belt. None of it served a purpose to the script, it only existed so Lucas could reference some obscure movie he grew up with, and in the process, waste everybody's time. He even turned down awesome ILM Clone War animatics to do this. But then he made a decent 3rd entry and I felt like re-editing the whole damn trilogy myself on DVDShrink. At least Ron Howard is consistently bad.
Hey Orionsangels, how about "give me Abba. . . by krullboy	May 17th, 2006 09:58:18 PM
give me 3 TV Channels, give me Sesame Street with the original voice actors, give me Mr. Roger's Neighborhood, give me Mr. Pib, give me 3 piece polyester suits, give me Studio 54, give me pre-HIV consequence free sex, WAAHHHHHH"
Overall the SE is better. by I Dunno	May 17th, 2006 09:58:28 PM
Cutting "Bring my shuttle", the silly robots undercutting the drama of the Tatooine scene and "Jedi Rocks" were travesties but...what was my point? Let's just wait for a programmable system where you can pick and choose which SE changes to watch.
give me the SW Cantina Remix, give me ESB stickers, by Tall_Boy	May 17th, 2006 10:04:51 PM
give me 70s bush Toshe Station Delted Scene bitches offering free handjobs when I put down my Hard Earned money for this product. Wah wah, motherfucking, wah.
Yeah Krullboy, what they're really saying is... by Orionsangels	May 17th, 2006 10:05:27 PM
Give me my youth back!
Give me white lightsabers from the 76 trailer by Orionsangels	May 17th, 2006 10:07:09 PM
Give me the first edit of Star Wars that didn't work and no John Williams music. I'm reeeal old school!
No Anamorphic? NO $$$$$$!!!!! by OgieOglethorpe	May 17th, 2006 10:08:05 PM
I'll stick with my laserdiscs and my bootlegs.
My laserdiscs will do, now by Mgmax	May 17th, 2006 10:08:50 PM
If it's not anamorphic it's hard to see how this is any improvement. I'll pass and wait for one of the next 15 editions to get it right.
I think the geek community has sunk to a new low by chrth	May 17th, 2006 10:16:27 PM
We begged and screamed and sacrificed small furry animals to get the originals on DVD ... and now we're getting them, warts and all, and we're still bitching. Un-fucking-believable.
DVD's of the laserdisc versions are not the same thing by eg4190	May 17th, 2006 10:18:26 PM
Since laserdisc is an analog format, the video signal still has to be captured and compressed, causing significant degradation. Therefore, even though the masters are the same, the video quality on a bootleg DVD is inferior to the disc which will be released. Hell, the DVD's video quality will still be better than the LD, because there are more lines of resolution and it's digital. Sucks about the anamorphic though. The only explanation is either that Lucas really did destroy the original prints, as has been rumored, or he refused to put up the money for a new transfer. I'm leaning toward the former, and if that's the case, there's never going to be a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD transfer of the originals, ever.
gimme gas shortages, a 55 mph speed limit, by moondoggy2u	May 17th, 2006 10:24:06 PM
platform shoes with goldfish, a dvd collection that comes with the soundtrack on an 8-track tape, coke-body musicians, pet rocks, and fat albert. wah, wah, waaaahhhhh!!!
A Turd is a Turd by SeedyAl	May 17th, 2006 10:27:09 PM
I like a lot of things from my youth, but Star Wars isn't one of them. Who cares how it's packaged? It's still a corn-studded turd. How can this dreck be so popular?
Here's an option: by Orbots Commander	May 17th, 2006 10:29:55 PM
If people aren't satisfied with the DVD's you could, like, not buy them. Nobody is pointing a gun to your head to buy Star Wars DVDs. Trust me, you can live without them.
There's no way Lucas wouldn't release this anamorphic! by Voice O. Reason	May 17th, 2006 10:30:44 PM
I can't say I'm surprised by the number of idiots who don't realize why this is a big deal to people who own HD sets. You can't play it in 480p without streching the picture, and if you play it in 480i to keep the correct aspect ratio, you have to blow up the image. You idiots probably own pan & scan DVDs as well.
Call Jim Ward. Seriously. by Fatboy_Roberts	May 17th, 2006 10:31:13 PM
Jim Ward, Senior Vice President Lucasfilm Ltd. 5858 Lucas Valley Rd. Nicasio, CA 94946 Phone: 415-662-1800 Fax: 415-448-2495 Also, Quint: The 6 track used for the Star Wars 70mm print actually folds down more faithfully to 2.0 than it would 5.1. There's plenty of explanations on the net, but the fact this thing won't be anamorphic way trumps shitty cover art. Seriously, re-edit your bitchfest with that contact info and have your readers CALL THIS GUY to let him know it's a bad idea.
I think that the original Star Wars is better than... by Razorback	May 17th, 2006 10:31:24 PM
Its special edition. However, the 2004 DVD release of the original trilogy is much better for Empire and Jedi. Sure, some people hate the change at the end, of adding young Anakin (they should redo that so it looks better) but otherwise everything else is better. Better cleaned up video and audio. Better Palpatine in Empire (with better dialogue). Better end music (goodbye Yub-Yub). Even then, the ANH SE 2004 release is pretty good. I just wish they fixed some things and removed that silly Jabba scene.
I have to agree with Quint by VoodooV	May 17th, 2006 10:33:23 PM
this edition is NOT what we've been asking for. Its been said from day one. its one thing to clean up the movie...its quite another to add shit in and replace actors. Lucas is giving us the finger on this one...but we should be used to it...He's been giving us the finger ever since the prequels.
I guess im the only one who enjoyed the SEs by moondoggy2u	May 17th, 2006 10:34:38 PM
Yeah, I hated jedi rocks, but i loved every other change (from 2004).
I feel you Quint by Darth Thoth	May 17th, 2006 10:36:55 PM
There IS a difference between those Special Edition craps and cleaning up the video/ sound for a disc. I share your exacts sentiments as they were my initial reactions too. The bottom line is that George Lucas, as brilliant as he is... as imaginative as he is... and great and influential to my life as he is... I love him to death... but he has a darkside. Make no mistake about it. He is a capitalist slug. He is driven by profit motive. Everything else becomes secondary. Make no mistake we have gotten these discs because it's the last time he'll be able to squeeze a buck out of us with the DVD format. This release isn't for the fans. It's for his wallet! Much like Vader, his mind has become twisted. The Special Editions and the like are aberrations. His constant revisionist obsessing is sad if you ask me. He will never be content and I'm sorry for him. But I love the OT theatrical cuts. As do many. And it's not anal to demand that they be 1) given to us on DVD and 2) given in the highest quality possible. Lucas gave us Star Wars but WE gave him something back in our purchases, following, etc.. It's a two way street therefore we the consumer, the fan, must be respected. I'm happy to get these new releases but I'm not jumping for joy. That ship has passed. I already have my bootlegs and vhs's. I'll pick these new discs up this fall... and that my friends is sad. I admit it. It's real sad. But I love Star Wars. And I want someday to be able to share with my kids the real versions of the OT. But I will also make sure to teach them what it means to be greedy. And how greed can corrupt. And that they never should put money above family, community, craft, art, and everything else that's good. Lest they fall to the Darkside... like Vader... like Luca$. And what sucks is that he was so redeemed to me after Revenge of the Sith. That was a great movie! But now with this cheap selfish and greedy stunt to get more cash from us and say "it's for the fans"... get out of my face George. Just get out!
i would like... by El Borak	May 17th, 2006 10:37:05 PM
to be young and happy like i was when i was 8 years old, but guess what? it ain't happening.
Lucas is messing with you fangirls by Razorback	May 17th, 2006 10:44:38 PM
He even said that he is using this release as a testbed for how many people are willing to buy the "originals." So, I hope you all DON'T buy these so that you prove his point, that more people like the special editions.
Big deal about the covers.... by Cotton McKnight	May 17th, 2006 10:53:29 PM
I am sure some enterprising photoshop guru can create 3 covers that would all make us proud. In this day and age, who cares? In principle it sucks (cause those covers are just crap and it just confirms that this is a way for Lucas to make some money) but we can always fix those ourselves.
Now that there will be two versions available... by Cotton McKnight	May 17th, 2006 10:58:14 PM
Is it possible for someone to edit them together so that we get the best of both worlds? We could have all the good stuff from SE, while replacing specific scenes (Han Shoots first). Or would that show too many seams?
You LITERALLY have to buy them over again. by Cotton McKnight	May 17th, 2006 11:00:50 PM
Geeeeeeeez. It sounds like we are just buying the SE again, in exactly the same form, except now it has the "unaltered" movies as a "bonus". That really, truly sucks. It would be nice to have this treated with the proper amount of respect.. maybe a new documentary on the modelmakers, etc. And yeah, classic packaging would be cool too.
Here's what anamorphic is by jethroc	May 17th, 2006 11:05:23 PM
It's a technique used to encode near a High-Definition quality picture onto the DVD so that people who blew the wad on the 52" HD plasma TV can get the HD quality they are accustomed to. If you just have a regular non-HD TV, then you don't notice any difference. By not being anamorphic, it gives the HD TV the sucky picture quality of a regular TV. Look up the technical details on Wikipedia for more info.
cotton by moondoggy2u	May 17th, 2006 11:06:55 PM
It would show too many seams. thats the beauty of it, you see--there would be a VERY noticable difference in picture and sound quality every time you changed versions. As for buying the versions all over again, is there really that much of a difference between the second and third movies to warrant revisiting the original versions? You're only talking about seeing monkey-girl emperor, 2 seconds of Fat anakin, an absance of jedi rocks, and yub yub. I mean, its not that big of a change, really (to me, anyway). That said, I'm just gonna buy episode 4 for posterity and to get a kick out of seeing the HUGE differences between the original and 2004 edition.
Don't be a hater! Be a roller skater! by RezE11even	May 17th, 2006 11:07:07 PM
That is all.
what really cracks me up by moondoggy2u	May 17th, 2006 11:10:46 PM
Is that you non anamorphic whiners are bitching about a show that will still look better than it did when it was released and are only bitching because you have a fucking HD TV and it will look exactly like it does on normal TV. You guys really make me want to beat the crap out of something...
Original Vs. SE by LucienPierce	May 17th, 2006 11:13:37 PM
I grew up with the original films, warts and all. And of course, I loved them. I was never a Star Wars geek mind you, I loved it and I collected a few statues, comics here and there but I couldn't tell you the inner workings of the Millenium Falcon or who that tiny glimpse of an alien in the far right hand corner of frame 2478 in A NEW HOPE is. My connection is to the trilogy as a whole, personally the only thing I don't like in the SE is the addition of the CG Jabba with Han in A NEW HOPE. It sticks out like a sore thumb, other than that I feel that all the touch ups improved the film experience. Particularly the end of ROTJ which now elevates it to almost just as good as EMPIRE IMO. Not to mention the cleaned up compositing, the enhanced explosions and better sound. The thing with Han? Doesn't phase me in the least. It doesn't change my perception of the character at all. The CG dino type creatures, well for me it smoothes out the differences between the first and second trilogy making it an easier transition in terms of visual representation. You won't catch me buying this OT, if I really want to watch them I'll throw in my VHS copies. The next time I buy SW will be on HD-DVD or Blu-Ray (Of which I'll only buy when they release a player that plays both) But I guess I understand, while I'm not a diehard SW fanboy I have and will be a diehard fanboy of other stuff...on a side note, is it just me or is AICN the only forum that DOESN'T allow paragraphs or HTML tags? I hate large blocks of text!
What's Star Wars? Oh, Dion Brothers fans.... by Doom II	May 17th, 2006 11:15:27 PM
Here's the first 2 minutes of the film for those who missed Qfest (myself included)----http://www.youtub e.com/watch?v=jp-sBvq9Mic
Lucas spelled backwards is Satan by WolfmanNards	May 17th, 2006 11:16:30 PM
He promised that when the trilogy first came out on dvd, that would be the only version of the films to come out on dvd. So the fans, who prefer the original versions, though disappointed, picked up the special edition dvd's. He LIED Now the original versions are out. I promise you its not because of response to overwhelming demand. It's because he knows some fans will double dip. He knew that if he admitted in the beginning he would come out with both, the true fans would wait. Then he wouldnt make any double dipping profit WHAT A DIPSHIT WHAT A DIPSHIT
What the hell is Star Wars? by thatpeterguy	May 17th, 2006 11:19:26 PM
Sounds like some commie bullshit to me.
So....that deaf kid got kicked off AMERICAN IDOL by zillabeast	May 17th, 2006 11:28:36 PM
Serves him right.
Y'know, barely less than 10% of households have HD TVs by Tall_Boy	May 17th, 2006 11:57:57 PM
Therefore, since I highly doubt that every single person complaining about the transfer has an HD TV, your pointless bitching about an anamorphic is just that... pointless bitching. Wah, wah, wah.
Sugar in My Coffee by BigSugar	May 17th, 2006 11:58:10 PM
I'm from the old school. I want the films as they were back in the day. That's all there is to it. I'll say it and mean it; I don't care if he wants to take my pants down and make me cry. APACALYPSE NOW will see its third DVD release this August. SEVEN was relesed twice. The entire Paramount section of FRIDAY THE THIRTEENTH has been released twice. I've been fucked over by a fairly good cross section of Hollywood studio ancillary markets, and I'm not the only one here in this rad-bastard situation. The fact of the matter is we need to all stop whining because not one time has anyone held a gun to my head to buy one damn DVD, and I'll bet all the money in my pockets that no one else, including Moriarty hisself, has had a pistol loaded and thumbcocked to his head to spend one dime of his hard-earned cash (I find his indignation hard to take seriously anyway; two words folks, fucking screeners). Bottom line? I want these DVD's and so do all of you. We're going to buy them in record numbers and we all know it. anyone who says any differently has their head so far up their ass, they think think they're seeing the light at the end.
FUCK YOU LUCAS! by Mr Brownstone	May 18th, 2006 12:02:20 AM
You fat, stingy son of a bitch.
Yeah!!!!!! I've got a square tube television!!!!!!! by JDanielP	May 18th, 2006 12:08:31 AM
Classic. Money well spent. Now I can quit dreamin' of... and droolin' over... those nice, new, huge widescreens. Now who's droolin' over MY television??? (heh,heh) All kidding aside, I feel for you anamorphic-wantin' Star Wars fans whom have one of 'em nice, new, huge widescreens. Let's trade televisions.
Woman Got My Devil by BigSugar	May 18th, 2006 12:09:10 AM
By the way, there's also an interesting irony in that the majority of these posts seem intent on bitching and whining about someone bitching and whining. Moriarty wants (like the rest of us who are fans of the originals) to see clean, pristine digital copies of these films. Man, that sounds like a guy whose interested in preserving the integrity of these films. Not screwing the movies into the ground, which I can only guess is what the rest of you want. In that case, shouldn't that argument be that Lucas should never have released the movies in the first place? If he was that dissatisfied with what he created, he probably shouldn't have put it in theatres. At the very least he should've taken his name off of it. Those flicks belong to the fans now,as does every work when it's put out for public consumption. So, for those who think we'll get what we as fanboys deserve, I extend the middle fingers of both my left and right hands. The former, I poke in your eye. The latter is up your narrow ass.
Those covers are awful.... by Undead Neverhood	May 18th, 2006 12:10:12 AM
Almost as awful as the prequels were. I'm so sick of what Lucas did with star Wars. So sad. It could have been so much more.
you know what I'm sick of? by moondoggy2u	May 18th, 2006 12:18:07 AM
Every single goddamn DVD has to have a photoshop covor. Oh, we allk now why the studios select thse kinds of covers--its cheaper than original artowrk. Its sad that VCR, an inferior format, had the better and most original covors. When was the last DVD that didnt have a photoshop artwork and actually had something really nifty?
I must be getting sleepy. I spelled the word "covor.." by moondoggy2u	May 18th, 2006 12:19:13 AM
and I did it twice!!!!
Why not to buy this shit? Answer below. by Xorply	May 18th, 2006 12:19:58 AM
Because he will release remastered versions in the future. And if not, you will always be able to buy some mint, unopened copies on eBay. Fuck money-hungry Lucas and his minions of pee-ons.
guess i keep my chinatown DVDs on the shelf then by caipirina	May 18th, 2006 12:33:08 AM
.. i think those have even better extras :)
moondoggy2u, you are a dipshit. by one9deuce	May 18th, 2006 12:38:03 AM
I saw Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi in the theater when they were release, and let me tell you something: NOTHING looks better than a brand new 35 Millimeter Print. Not DVD, not HD-DVD, or HDTV, or Blu-Ray Disc. I want the original theatrical cuts of the Star Wars trilogy on DVD the way they looked in 77, 80, and 83. Anyone calling me a whiner for that is forgetting one thing: every OTHER movie has been released in its original form why not the Star Wars Trilogy? Because George Lucas is a greedy capitalist.
All you FUCKERS who think that... by ScarranHalfBreed	May 18th, 2006 12:51:44 AM
...whining about non-Anamorphic transfer and no extras is fanboy bullshit and throwing all our toys out of the pram are the usual geeky thirteen year old TROLLS that frequent this site. If the discs aren't anamorphic I won't be buying these. It's not a case of "Stop whinging, you're getting the originals now, what are you complaining about?" I don't give a shit about the covers, but I do care about the quality of the films themselves. Does that make me a whiny fanboy? No, I'm passionate about the films is all, I grew up with 'em. I'm beginning to loathe this site - it's turning more and more into a school playground.
end of a format by justmyluck	May 18th, 2006 12:56:57 AM
They waited until HD-DVD was here to cash in on standard DVD while they still can with this crap-o-vision/crap-o-sonic OT release, bundled with the "Special Editions" to snatch a retail price that crap-OT alone would never justify. I was going to pre-order two of these sets, obviously that's not going to happen now - sorry George, you sold us the laser transfers already. All Lucasfilm has to do is re-transfer their archived '77/'80'83 prints, digital-dust-bust, put the six track mix as one audio track, the dolby surround mix as the other audio track and slap the '77/'80/'83 first run posters on the covers and sell it for under $50 to the applause of fans' wallets. And you "I want my anamorphic wailers" : its not that these are not anamorphic - which is a PAIN - its that a non-anamorphic transfer its very likely the same transfer from over 10 years ago. This crap-OT release is Lucas' revenge for us not 'embracing' Jar Jar Binks.
Yes, it would be nice to have the originals in TOP form by JDanielP	May 18th, 2006 01:03:41 AM
As is, I have them on VHS. And they wasn't cheap when I got 'em! So really, this purchase doesn't make much sense for me. Not even when considering the bright future of HD television.
Go over to... by Darth Thoth	May 18th, 2006 01:13:58 AM
The Digital Bits. Bill Hunt has a new must read My Two Cents editorial.
The Anamorphic and 2 Channel Stereo thingy! by Lezbo Milk	May 18th, 2006 01:21:46 AM
Ok here is the deal: Making the disks non-anamorphic is a disservice to us customers. I'm not really sure this is true. Why would Lucasfilm and Fox do this? It makes no sense. As far as the two channel stereo thing goes, well that is right on the money. If memory serves me correctly, Star Wars was filmed in Dolby Stereo. As a matter of fact I'm looking at my original '77 one sheet and it says it right on there. If memory serves 70mm has 5 channels of audio but these are compressed into a 2 channel stereo track and then decoded by a Dolby Stereo capable receiver. The receiver takes the info on the two stereo channels and outputs: left/center/right/surround/Low Freq. The surround sound channels are mono (the same sound comes from each speaker). It wasn't until Dolby Digital 5.1 came out that we were able to get the full theater experience. Then of course Digital EX came about and you have 6.1 and 7.1 systems. Anyways, what you will get is an original Dolby Stereo sound out of these DVD's. The opening sceen will still have the sound of the destroyer coming from behind you to the front (it will just be in mono) and you won't get a dedicated channel for your subwoofer (although your system will most likely automatically send any low freq to the sub by default). It won't sound as awsome as a Dolby Digital EX 7.1 THX transfer...but it will be ok and nostalgic. Oh and by the way, when they finally decide on a new DVD format, Lucas will undoubtedly release the ultimate super duper, kick you in the nuts box set with all the originals, SE's and prequels, plus more extras than you could watch in a year. I'm waiting for that, so I can scrap the full shelf of Star Wars DVDs and just have one box set up there.
Yeah but........ by omegabigfella	May 18th, 2006 01:22:57 AM
We'll still buy 'em.
including this post the word FUCK by Mr Brownstone	May 18th, 2006 01:35:03 AM
has been used 30 times in this talk back so far. AWESOME. Oh yeah and fuck you Lucas. That makes 31.
Episode IV??????? by rpalompo	May 18th, 2006 01:45:09 AM
When I saw these in the movie theater as a kid there were no Episode # subtitles. First thing that stuck out to me on the dvd covers. If these are supposed to be the original theater experience these subtitles shouldn't be there! And BTW, may the Force be with you.
WHY ANAMORPHIC IS IMPORTANT by Black Jesus	May 18th, 2006 01:51:51 AM
Some of you guys don't seem to understand what anamorphic widescreen is and why it's important to those of us who have 16x9 TV's. Here's the deal: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/ articles/anamorphic/anamorphic 185demo.html These DVD's will be practically unwatchable on a widescreen TV. This is a big deal and it's very much worth complaining about.
It's just a mean spirited move by Salander3	May 18th, 2006 01:57:30 AM
Digitalbits.com has a great overview on anamorphic movies, and they say that the process of transfering a movie onto DVD in anamorphic format is a very simple process. It says, and I quote directly from the digitalbits website, that "Given all of the early foot-dragging by the Hollywood studios toward anamorphic on DVD, you're probably convinced that it must surely be an expensive and time-consuming process. You couldn't be more wrong. All that's required from the perspective of the Hollywood studios, is to request an anamorphic transfer during the telecine stage. I've done some digging, and discovered that this generally costs no more than it does to commission a standard letterbox transfer, as long as the proper film elements are available (extra costs are usually only incurred if the original film elements are in need of restoration)." To release the films in a non-anamorphic format is simply a mean-spirited move by Lucasfilm. It's telling the folks who remember and cherish these original versions of their movies that such memories are pretty worthless, and don't deserve to be treated with respect.
WTF does Lucas have to do to appease you whiny fanboi p by Grando	May 18th, 2006 01:58:06 AM

ussies? by Grando	May 18th, 2006 01:58:53 AM
Come round to all your houses and suck your dicks?
Salander3 by Mr Brownstone	May 18th, 2006 02:01:43 AM
well said.
STAR WARS and EMPIRE posters by kwisatzhaderach	May 18th, 2006 02:12:06 AM
Those two posters are absolutle shit hot, you don't get posters like that anymore...sigh, maybe for the 6 disc saga boxset?
Star Wars Recall by Crash Crator	May 18th, 2006 02:12:40 AM
*****I
Fuck that. by wash	May 18th, 2006 02:13:07 AM
No Lucas, you may not have my money this time. Call me when there's a noticeable improvement over my bootlegs.
Anamorphic by Fortunesfool	May 18th, 2006 02:28:49 AM
This is taking the piss. I know the original laserdisc editions weren't anamorphic or widescreen enhanced as they like to call it. But the guy who did my laserdisc bootlegs managed to do an anamorphic transfer to the discs. Why can't George Lucas? Fat pie eating fucker.
Oi Lucas! Letterbox isn't widescreen! by Reelheed	May 18th, 2006 02:43:28 AM
if you zoom up a 4:3 picture it goes soft. idiot!
by Doc_Strange	May 18th, 2006 02:45:13 AM

All I gotta say on this subject is: by Doc_Strange	May 18th, 2006 02:47:47 AM
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Screw It 2006 by Crash Crator	May 18th, 2006 02:48:53 AM
*****I
I sold my 2004 box set for this. by Rowley Birkin QC	May 18th, 2006 03:25:23 AM
Aside from the guy who is holding up Blade Runner, has anyone ever shown the DVD consumer more contempt than George Lucas? I'm sure in about 9 months we'll get another message from Jim Ward saying that Lucasfilm "knows what you want, and is working on it", but it conveniently won't be ready until the thirtieth anniversary.
BOYCOTT THIS RELEASE by Razorback	May 18th, 2006 03:33:03 AM
Hell, convince Lucasfilm to never release it. That way, when Lucas is asked "when will we get the OT DVDs" he can say "Well, we tried to give it to the fans and they didn't want them." Bwahahaha! Brilliant. You guys are stupid.
Ok, time for my rant now.. by Gabba-UK	May 18th, 2006 03:35:29 AM
Some of the comments that are currently being expressed here are are just proof positive that the attitude we absolutely, 100% for certain know in our heart of hearts that film makers REALLY have about 'the fans/geeks' is that we are a bunch of whinging, snot nosed fuck-tards that you have to deal with and placate so for marketing purposes you can say that your film has the support of the fans in order to legitimise your work. And you know what, they are totally correct in that assumption. Many have you have for years wanted to get the original. You finally get them and the bitching begins. Now I agree that the loss of the anamorphic is a deal breaker for many including myself. But its a long time to Sept 12th. A lot can change and I'm sure that if enough of us POLITELY (if you are capable of such a thing and keeping the Lucas raped my childhood comments to a minimum) made our views known either directly to Lucasfilm or via sites such as this or The Digital Bits this would be changed. And if it isn't, protest with your wallet and don't buy them. The Executor boxset version I have is more than enough for me. I agree with Quint that the super deluxe 30th anniversary box set which we all KNOW will come out next year on whatever format will also have the original versions as well. And if the anamorphic isn't on them then we know who's fault it will be. Yours. Because enough of you went out on Sept 12th and got them to make them think you were happy with them. As for the use of the 1997 laserdisc master I have no problem with that as that was a very good transfer. The normal Dolby Surround makes me very happy because I never heard the 6 channel mix that was created because at the time there was most likely less than ten cinema's on the planet that even had the equipment. It would have been a bonus but not an essential feature. I seem to remember Ben Burtt saying that at the release of the film there was something in the region of 10 different sound mixes for the film so the various equipment needs of different cinemas could be catered to. They cant get all of them on the disc so I guess they had to pick the one we were most likely to be familiar with. I guess what I'm trying to say is that reading this talkback, it tells you that everyone has in their own mind a definitive version of the films they would like to see on DVD and ALL of them are different. Nothing Lucasfilm produces is going to please you all. They can only produce something that most people will like. They cannot make you all happy, its just not possible. And I think its time a lot of people here realised that and moved on.
LETTERBOX IS WIDESCREEN... by MechaGhost	May 18th, 2006 03:49:23 AM
Goddamn. Some people need to stop talking. "Anamorphic widescreen merely" in the context of DVD means it's optimized to fill a 16:9 screen. 16:9 is roughly 1.78:1 aspect ratio. So even if it was released 16:9 anamorphic there would still be black bars on the top and bottom. A film being shot with anamorphic lenses has nothing to do with the DVD release. It has to do with aspect ratios (2.35:1 "scope" vs. 1.85:1 "flat"). If Lucas is presenting the films letterbox but not anamorphic, it just means you'll have to gasp watch the films in standard 4:3 mode if you're on a HDTV. But the aspect ratio will be correct. 2.35:1 in "letterbox" is still 2.35:1. Christ... don't talk if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Gabba-UK you are CRAZY by Razorback	May 18th, 2006 04:17:32 AM
You want people to POLITELY ask for something? You are talking about Star Wars FANGIRLS who cry about everything! They are the biggest bitches on the planet. How can they stop being the biggest bunch of bitches on the planet? They can't. So FUCK YOU ALL. I am so happy... these fucktards did exactly as expected and are going to bitch themselves right out of what they want. :)
Fffffuuuck!!!! To those saying this isn't a big deal... by Regicidal_Maniac	May 18th, 2006 04:25:03 AM
It IS! If you're happy eating sghit then go off an eat shit and leave the rest of us to make very valid complaints about the fact that Lcas is intentionally shafting his original fans while rewarding suckers and johnny come latelys. It's anamorphic or nothing GL,I'd prefer to see nothing released than this inferior letterboxed shit. Fuck you're an arsehole Lucas, and you fucking cunts who lick his balls need to die.
NOOOOOOOOO! by WestieBestie	May 18th, 2006 04:28:23 AM
No way. Uh-Uh. You not getting my money this time. I got me the OT SE and they'll do. Now everyone, I want you to go outside and say "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore."
"Hey Quint, Want some ice cream?" by satansteve	May 18th, 2006 04:35:11 AM
"SURE" > "Okay, here you go" < "I WANT CHOCOLATE SYRUP ON IT" > "No problem, there you go" < "I WANT SPRINKLES ON IT" > "Haha, ok" < "IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT, TAKE IT AWAY" >>> who gives a shit?
Sorry Razorback, I forgot.. by Gabba-UK	May 18th, 2006 04:53:13 AM
.. we were dealing with the more zealot Star Wars fans. But as a well mannered Englishman I kind of expect people to be polite. By the way I'm a huge Star Wars fan but one of many that actually has a sense of proportion about how important they are in the grand scheme of life i.e. not very. Buy them if you want them, don't if you don't. It's really not worth the energy to get this worked up about it.
I like the special editions. by ZeroCorpse	May 18th, 2006 05:22:11 AM
I saw the originals many, many, many times. I own three versions of the originals (widescreen VHS, pan & scan VHS, and pan & scan VCD). I never watch them, because I have grown to like what Lucas was trying to accomplish with the special editions. The SE are nicely remastered and the new scenes are good to have. I prefer seeing the Emperor in ESB looking like he should, and not like an old woman with monkey eyes. I prefer seeing the Jabba scene back in ANH. I prefer seeing the cleaned-up Hoth battle, and the obvious blue-screen work polished up. I don't mind the "Han shoots at the same time as Greedo" scene, although I'd like the old way a little more, it doesn't get my panties in a bunch when I see it. I like the movie fitting with Episodes I, II, and III and making one big saga. I like Jango/Boba Fett having the same voice through the entire six movies. I have nothing to complain about with my Special Edition DVDs. If I complain about anything, it's my Special Edition VHS that have been collecting dust since the DVDs came out. The changes made to the new DVD versions sort of render the original SE on VHS obsolete. If you don't love Star Wars enough to just sit back and enjoy the story as it evolves, then just shut up and go back to watching the old ones over and over, and avoid the TV series, and avoid the prequel trilogy, and pretend it's 1988.
Haha, some morons BUY the laserdisc-to-DVDr transfers! by JackPumpkinhead	May 18th, 2006 05:31:06 AM
Hey, idiots, I can also sell you a bridge... uh, I mean, a copy of the 2-DVDr "Star Wars Holiday Special" 'special fan edition' that I downloaded in two days. :-D No wonder Lucas is cashing in on it if there are idiots actually willing to PAY for the bootlegs. He could've used the original covers though. All the good bootlegs do. :)
it's official.... by Sicuv Uyall	May 18th, 2006 05:35:10 AM
Lucas is giving all of you the middle finger!!! Greedy fuck.
Exactly Tom Bodet by LordEnigma	May 18th, 2006 05:46:28 AM
He deserves vasoline hiding the wheels of supposedly HOOVERING vehicles. He deserves inanimate Dewbacks. He deserves everything that looks like FX looked before he was born. There has been many ridiculous statements posted on this website. Many by the talkbackers, and some by the contributers (except for Herc). Nevetheless, a guy that has ridden the collective jock of WETA for the last 3 or 4 years, stating ILM effects distract him from HIS CHILDHOOD. Well, I am a grown ass man, and the FX in KONG and LOTR are glaringly distracting. Unlike Quint, however, I do not make it about ME. I suspend disbelief. I check my baggage at the door. FREE YOUR MIND, MAN! FREE YOUR MIND!
Quint, whats the bloody difference....? by BendersShinyAss	May 18th, 2006 05:58:49 AM
...Between Anamorphic widescreen and letterboxed? Seriously, it's just different era lingo. Isn't it?
oooooohhhhhhh by BendersShinyAss	May 18th, 2006 06:07:34 AM
Thanks pazuzu. I get it now. duh. Actually I must say, I am somewher ein the middle on the prequel trilogy. I like the added Mos eisly stuff. I hate Greedo shooting first (but who doesn't) I hate that most of the effects weren't actually re-done. I loath the death star explosion being the same with a ringed shockwave added. In space it's be cylindrical. is that even a word? I LOVE Empire SE - except for that horrid 'alert my stardestroyer to blaa bla blaa'. 'Bring my shuttle' had so much more emotion. And In the brand new Empire I truely adore the addition of the true emperor. BUT I FUCKING ANIKIN AT THE END OF JEDI. HATE IT!!! It's like I'm perfect and everyone else is stupid. how does it feel to be you? I'm going to get a beer.
Mechaghost that's true but the one BIG difference is... by half vader	May 18th, 2006 06:10:04 AM
There's still a big difference between blowing a 2:35 to 1 movie letterboxed in a 4:3 frame up to fill a 16:9 frame and an 'anamorphic' (who was the idiot that came up with that confusing term for DVD) or native 16:9 movie transfer. It's called resolution and it IS important. The blown-up image is absolutely inferior even though yes they are both original aspect ratio. You obviously understand the differences between film and DVD but go easy on the regular Joes who are complaining about substandard quality but not able to articulate it properly and grabbing for inappropriate technical terms or whatever. When did not knowing what you're talking about EVER make ANYONE shut up ANYTIME ANYWHERE?
stoopid post by half vader	May 18th, 2006 06:12:01 AM
Lucasfilm putting these out non-anamorphic is like releasing them on DVD in 1997 when DVDs were introduced. So it's sorta like we've had them for years just the way we wanted. We just didn't know it and couldn't enjoy them all that time. Confused? Yep. Whee!
Someone call the waaaahmbulance! by Zarles	May 18th, 2006 06:14:37 AM
Quint, pull the telephone pole-sized stick out of your ass and go outside, for chrissakes. The sun is shining, the birds are singing, and all the girls are wearing less and less every day. Somehow, man, I think you're going to survive this travesty just fine. Geesh.
Oh boo fucking hoo by Lone Fox	May 18th, 2006 06:24:37 AM
You're going to find something to bitch about, no matter what. If everything was to your satisfaction it'd still be wrong. You'll be moaning that you've aged 30 years since the original release next. I've gone pubic! Curse you Lucas! As for the covers... well, they're better than the SE DVD covers. And they ARE mimicking the original poster campaign. If I could be bothered I'd post a link. But you'd just moan.
"I really didn't want this to sound like fanboy whining by Trazadone	May 18th, 2006 06:26:23 AM
Jesus, what is it with you? Your complaints are just so stupid. "Wah, I don't like the cover art!" "Wah, the specs aren't EXACTLY like they were in the theater!" God, who cares? You act as if you're being screwed out of something so important that it's going to ruin your viewing experience. Nobody will even notice. It seem that no matter what Lucas releases you're just going to complain about it. I'm as big a Star Wars fan as anyone and I couldn't care less about these minor, minor changes. Are you going to be upset if they're not released with the original scratches on the negative? "Wah, they cleaned up the image, Lucas is ruining my precious childhood memories!" Okay, I guess I went on a rant too, but for crying out loud, your complaints are so baseless.
"shitty picture back then with 2 channel stereo" by minderbinder	May 18th, 2006 06:28:27 AM
No it wasn't. The movies had a 70mm version with surround sound in their first release. And I don't even care about remastering, but putting them on the DVD's in an intentionally bad encoding is just stupid. I wonder if Lucas is making an extra effort to make these look worse than the new versions? Or if he even wants them to sell bad? Either way, looks like he's trying to stack the deck so he can say "I told you so". Asshole.
Stoopid me by half vader	May 18th, 2006 06:30:24 AM
Totally went past Pazuzu's concise and eloquent post way up there and posted before Bender's so sorry Mechaghost and Paz. Zuh, as Homer would say. _____________________I'd like to know if Quint's outrageous matte lines statement means he HATES the BEN HUR disc or the other restorations done recently like OZ and Gone with the Wind. Yes it's a fine line between what constitutes resurrecting something to it's original (that means neg or interpositive not lowest common denominator release print Moondoggy) glory and stepping over that line by 'fixing' things where the technical process failed and it had nothing to do with creativity or artistic intentlike matte line inconsistency and generational & colour loss through duping in a dissolve (the original had a big scratch through it! We must keep it!).________________Yes everyone read digitalbits. Including the restoration stuff.
Also by Trazadone	May 18th, 2006 06:34:16 AM
"I want the original mono/stereo soundtrack. I want the matte lines clearly visable. Do you not understand why I'd be upset about the transfer not being anamorphic?" I guess I don't. Basically you want to see an inferior product because you somehow believe that you're childhood memories will be complete. THANK GOD for the SE's.
Aarghh. by half vader	May 18th, 2006 06:34:53 AM
Can't even make a coherent sentence now. Sorry. I'm going.
Think of letterboxed as a small image with a huge by scrumdiddly	May 18th, 2006 06:38:43 AM
border around it. The picture itself is less than HALF the size of a true anamorphic transfer. In effect, they'll be deliberately lowering the resolution. Quint is right that his Laserdiscs will be of better quality...
seems to me.... by BendersShinyAss	May 18th, 2006 06:59:00 AM
that lucas knows full well that the image quality wont be up to par and thus you will all be forced to enjoy the SE as a result. Personally, I can't believe how much contempt the man has for the films that made him. the short film 'George Lucas in love' seems more pitted in reality than i gave it credit. Oh well, who cares anymore. It's not like we've never seen these movies before. It's not we're ever really going to sit down and watch them right through unless we're with our kids or something. I still have the original VHS limited widescreen release's - in good condition too. I'm quite content with them. Just once I'd like to see a soft sell of Star Wars. there's just to much god damn hoohar over them when they come along. Wonder what supershadows up to these days. Man that guy is great for a laugh
Ok Quint...you've finally lost it. by fxmulder35	May 18th, 2006 06:59:03 AM
I'd expect this griping from the fanboys. But not you. NONE of you will be happy with ANY way he'd release the OT. There would be SOMETHING for you all to harp on. Geeze already.
I agree with Quint by sith-vol	May 18th, 2006 07:00:33 AM
When I first heard about these, I was ready to plunk down even more hard earned cash to the Lucas Empire.....oh well fuck that. They can keep them. I still have my original VHS tapes so when I need a blast from the past I'll pull out the trusty VCR from the closet.
OK, fxmulder, I'm pretty sure we've all explained by scrumdiddly	May 18th, 2006 07:02:24 AM
exactly how we'd like these films released. the original cuts, fully remastered. What's so hard about that? Give me the keys to Lucasfilm and I'll bloody well do it!
"Alert my shuttle.." doesn't work by Razorback	May 18th, 2006 07:04:00 AM
That is why it was changed. He says "Alert my shuttle.." and then he WALKS UP TO HIS SHUTTLE. Stupid. So, it was changed to "Alert my star destroyer to prepair for my arrival."
"Theywere originally released in anamorphic widescreen" by newc0253	May 18th, 2006 07:06:37 AM
uh, no they weren't. they were originally released in fixed proportions for the cinema. anamorphic is a construct for your tv set.
BendersShinyAss by Razorback	May 18th, 2006 07:07:19 AM
Lucas doesn't have contempt for those movies... he has contempt for FUCKBAGS LIKE YOU who have shit on him for ten years. I have not been this happy about Lucas dicking over you fangirls who bitch and moan about everything he does... so he gives you what you ask for but not exactly... I LOVE IT. FUCK YOU! DIE UNHAPPY! HAHAHAHAHAHA! I love you, Lucas. You have perpetuated the greatest fuck you in movie history to people who only bag on you.
Razorback - you calling me a fuckbag? by BendersShinyAss	May 18th, 2006 07:13:46 AM
You're the one who coesn't even know that Vador walking to his shuttle is only in the SE. In the original there is no Shuttle. and he doesn't say 'alert my shuttle' he says 'bring my shuttle'. I haven't shit on Lucas at all. In fact, I'm a big fan and i love all the star wars movies - failings and all. But I did learn something here today. Anamorphic transfer and letterboxing are two different things.... and you're a dickhead.
lucas should also buy every fan a time machine... by newc0253	May 18th, 2006 07:14:57 AM
so they can watch the original versions with their original 8-year old eyes, etc.
newc0253 by BendersShinyAss	May 18th, 2006 07:18:05 AM
I'm not sure what fixed proportions means, but on a 35mm reel of film the image was all squished up skinny like, an anamorphic lens is used to make is all wide and shit. But I believe the 70mm print made it the fixed proportions you're talking about. How bout that Razorback. What an Assbutt
quit whinning! by gonzobob	May 18th, 2006 07:19:15 AM
I remember over ten years ago buying the original movies on VHS. I had'nt seen these movies in a long time and when I watched them again I Realised how Dated the FX were (this was in 1994). fast forward three years later, and Lucas released the special editions. I found the SE's to be a far more enjoyable experience, and think that the new scenes and FX added to the movies. Add to that, I reckon that these versions stand strong beside the superior visuals of the new trilogy. I don,t know what the fuss is, the SE's polished the saga and prepared us for episodes 1-3. So all the purists are gonna get what they wanted, so quit complaining, and realise how things have changed since 1977!
What the hell, here's the link by Lone Fox	May 18th, 2006 07:54:17 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/alb ums/v491/robfett/DVDCollage.jp g _________ Yeah right, NOT mimicking theatrical posters...
Anamorphic widescreen... by chaos731	May 18th, 2006 07:59:33 AM

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