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I miss the old Checkmate... by grendel824	May 3rd, 2006 05:32:50 PM
... I don't need superheroes running around in my spy books!
I miss Jon Quixote. by The Garbage Man	May 3rd, 2006 05:33:26 PM
That is all.
HULK by AlgertMopper	May 3rd, 2006 05:39:11 PM
Planet Hulk: Because Bruce Jones SUCKS ASS! God his run was awful then PAD came along with a strong openeing arc then sucked ass with teh HoM shitfest. Planet Hulk? BADASS!
should I be worried? by samsquanch	May 3rd, 2006 05:40:11 PM
I actually got the Manny BothHanz joke. Pray for me.
So wait, should I be reading Tag and Bink? by chrth	May 3rd, 2006 05:41:52 PM
How haven't I heard of them before? Is it funnier than Next Wave?
Brian Singer by Azlam Orlandu	May 3rd, 2006 05:56:45 PM
That's exactly how I've always felt about Singer. The man does a respectable job, but I've never found him particularly noteworthy. I love the quote about him copying Donner's Supes films. On the topic of comics, this was a great read. Keep up the good work.
VALIANT Comics by x-oManowar	May 3rd, 2006 05:59:43 PM
give me some valiant news...arghhh1!
Ironic... by Ribbons	May 3rd, 2006 06:00:10 PM
...that Dan Slott is apparently a big fan of "Lost" when the @$$holes have made him their poster boy for decompressed storytelling.
Err... by Ribbons	May 3rd, 2006 06:00:44 PM
...non-decompressed storytelling, that is to say.
Astonishing X-Men by RealDoubleJ	May 3rd, 2006 06:04:52 PM
I'm happy the series is back but yeah, i'm not skipping to my comic book store to go get it. The last comic series to grip me heavily was that Defenders miniseries. Like the sound of the latest THING. I think I may have finally been swayed into purchasing it
Dan Slott... by mtoast	May 3rd, 2006 06:07:54 PM
...is a god.
The Thing by kuryakin	May 3rd, 2006 06:33:53 PM
Great issue this week. I loved him taking the piss out of Spidey's extra three legs "People will think you can't count". Dan Slott is a great writer. You get the impression that he's just sitting there plugging away while the rest of them are sitting around with their baseball caps on backwards high-fiving each other for being dark and gritty. Excellent stuff
Death Note Movie by v1cious	May 3rd, 2006 06:35:57 PM
coming out soon in Japan
Does Anyone Care? by MyWord	May 3rd, 2006 06:37:28 PM
Seems nobody cares what you post on the "talkbacks" unless you insult someone. It's strange really.
"I care." by The Heathen	May 3rd, 2006 06:41:54 PM
Tag and Bink. I've always wondred about these guy's and their antics, and finally I decided to pick up this two parter and loved the holy CREEZUS (sorry, can't contain myself) out of them. It doesn't make the prequels better, but it rubs them down with aloe vera to stop the burn, even if just for a little bit. Great review, Vroom.
and I've heard that despite our best efforts by The Heathen	May 3rd, 2006 06:53:23 PM
The Things last issue will be #8. : (
Ok, not going to say much about that Creezus by AstroThunder	May 3rd, 2006 07:11:55 PM
But in my opinion, there was way too much to be told and tied up in Infinite Crisis #7 that could be satisfactorily wrapped in just a single 40-page-ish issue. Just punctuated a lot of missed opportunities in the issue and the whole series.
Revolution of the Planet of the Apes by Gungan Slayer	May 3rd, 2006 07:18:04 PM
You guys seriously need to check this series out. It's based on the original and REAL POTA timeline (nothing to do with that crap Burton made). Great art, story and everything. it kicks ass dudes
I see what your saying, Astro, but by The Heathen	May 3rd, 2006 07:23:30 PM
(NO SPOILERS) I think it finishes well. I would have liked more, but man, I was loving the hell outta the last issue (the standouts being 1,4,6, and 7). I think it's far better than a C grade. I think it finishes in the high 80's to maybe even a 90. I'll probably be railed for that, but I don't give a crap. I think that this issue did an amazing job of wrapping things up, with admitted little space to do so. It left me wanting to read everything. The OYL's, the Brave New World one shot, 52, GL Corps, etc., etc. Damn, I was pleased. *** Civil War wasn't that bad either. Still too early to tell. No, "Holy shit!" moments, but satisfactory.
I think it's also safe to say by The Heathen	May 3rd, 2006 07:26:11 PM
that this is the best week for comics all year. IC #7, Civil War #1, Mouse Guard #2, Exterminators, Teen Titans, etc. and FREE Comic Book Day is this weekend. Good times. The Superman Returns trailer has me excited about that now too.
Civil War! by sideshowbob	May 3rd, 2006 07:30:44 PM
The superhero book written for adults that strangely makes me (an adult) feel like I'm too old for superhero books! Yay!
and...and... by blackthought	May 3rd, 2006 07:33:25 PM
that's all really.
Heathen, I think IC# 7 finishes okay... by AstroThunder	May 3rd, 2006 07:40:16 PM
...but needed the room to breathe to really have the impact a lot of these plot points and characters deserve. No doubt, the series has some great moments and this issue had some great moments, but it all felt, I don't know, like they didn't spend enough time elaborating on these moments and making them feel larger than life. It was more like a summary or illustrated outline to something much larger than was probably intended originally. I mean, heck, the first part of IC #7 really should have been an issue unto itself. Instead, it gets resolved far too quickly and doesn't really have the scope that it should have. I still stick to my C or C+ grade for the series as a whole.
heathen!!! by blackthought	May 3rd, 2006 08:33:27 PM
lost!!! ana...er...se...x...er...hurle y...say anything.
Blackthought!!! LOST!!! by Thalya	May 3rd, 2006 09:16:54 PM
He's infected, he is!!!
wtf??? michael??? by blackthought	May 3rd, 2006 09:43:47 PM

Just like French Lady's peeps!!! by Thalya	May 3rd, 2006 10:06:00 PM

OH LOOK... by blackthought	May 3rd, 2006 10:34:49 PM
george lucas has finally realized his stupidity and now is releasing the original trilogy on dvd...either that or he is running low on cash...yep...go with that one.
If you're giving away Lost spoilers here... by sideshowbob	May 3rd, 2006 11:27:45 PM
Can you let me know in the subject header so I can stop reading this talkback?
We're gonna party like it's 1977 all over again! by Orionsangels	May 4th, 2006 02:09:53 AM
http://www.starwars.com/episod e-iv/release/video/news2006050 3.html
My favorite moment from the latest THING... by vroom socko	May 4th, 2006 02:20:11 AM
wasn't even mentioned in that review. You see, I've always been a fan of villains who set out to redeem themselves. It's why I love Gail Simone's VU, Busiek and Nicieza's T-Bolts, and the stuff Geoff Johns did with Black Adam in JSA. In THE THING, there's this one panel, just one, where we see a flash of William Baker, friend of Ben Grimm and Spidey, employee of Silver Sable, and card carrying Avenger. One flashback to the Sandman getting brainwashed by the Wizard, and ol' Flint Marko is back in the drivers seat. But still, it gives me a little hope that we'll see Mr. Sandman putting his villainy behind him again in the pages of The THI... Okay, in the pages of SHE-HULK. Damnit.
i know its a huge deal in the geek comunity by Darth Kal-El	May 4th, 2006 02:36:05 AM
but seriously, i prefer the special editions myself.oh and **LOST SPOILERS**seriously wtf?
Checkmate was lame by ChorleyFM	May 4th, 2006 02:42:10 AM
WHo gives a crap about subterfuge and the UN. Apart from the Superman and Batman stories that are running through their books and Blue Beetle, all the OYL stuff has blown, i hope 52 is a step up otherwise DC may have just fucked themselves over. I need the new Scott Pilgrimm.
Speaking of Star Wars HOW THE HELL DID AICN MISS THIS? by tsw101	May 4th, 2006 07:17:00 AM
LO AND BEHOLD! GEORGE LUCAS FINALLY GETS A FUCKING CLUE AND RELEASES THE ORIGINAL THEATRICAL VERSIONS ON DVD! http://www.empireonline.com/ne ws/story.asp?NID=18689
I bought the wrong Infinite Crisis cover, dammit! by rev_skarekroe	May 4th, 2006 08:44:51 AM
Usually I don't care about this sort of thing, but I was really wanting a collection of complete Perez covers this time. Then I get home and realize I'd accidentally picked up the Jim Lee cover. Now I gotta buy another copy, 'cuz I'm an idiot. Darnit to heck!
IC #7 definitely a C...maybe worse by Firedrake	May 4th, 2006 08:47:43 AM
Other than some of the artwork, I think the only thing I really liked about it was the end with Joker. Seriously, all it takes for Superboy to become nearly omnipotent is a magic suit he built while allegedly in captivity on Flash Island??? Please. I also had some trouble about him using his freeze breath in space, but maybe that magic suit gave him unlimited air supply or something. If all it takes to break WW's sword is to toss it on the ground, she needs to have some words with Hesphaestus. Sometimes I think the DCU is too stupid to live. The end where they decide to merely try to lock up the would-be universe destroying SuperPsychoBoy instead of putting a more final end to him is typical. Oh well, I guess they had to leave him alive so they could use him in the next crisis to end all crisis's. Bleah. But at least is done and over with.
tsw101, HOLY SHIT THE UNFUCKED STAR WARS ON DVD!? Yay! by Regicidal_Maniac	May 4th, 2006 09:10:20 AM
Peace at last.
Avoided the TB until I read IC tonight... BUT: by Shigeru	May 4th, 2006 09:32:34 AM
How much of a giant geek am I for getting just a little lightheaded when I read that the original SW are coming out on DVD? Jeez this is great news...
Lockheed? by Meglos	May 4th, 2006 09:33:17 AM
Lockjaw actually. And it's Damage Control. And I am a pedantic geek...
oh lucas... by blackthought	May 4th, 2006 09:56:31 AM
going the way of disney and making the release of the originals limited time only like when disney does the vault stuff.
crazy week so far by The Heathen	May 4th, 2006 10:14:08 AM
What next? Cameron signs on to do an X-Men movie or something? About Star Wars. I'm glad, but is it only going to be in 2.0? Remastered? I can't wait to hear the original Boba Fett voice, Jabba's palace songs and the Ewok song, etc. Now we just have to wait for everybody to want a mixture of the special editions with the originals. "I want Greedo to shoot first, but keep the Dewbacks. Also keep the color correctd lightsabers and new Death Star explosion, but get rid of the cg Sarlacc." And on and on. Here's a question? What version of Luke falling in Empire will they use? I can't even remember what the original one was anymore. *** LOST. (NO SPOLIERS) Holy crap. Vale, man
"Hurry now, or the original trilogy will be by The Heathen	May 4th, 2006 10:33:03 AM
missing from the Jedi archives just like Kamino!" or "Hurry, or the original trilogy will be swallowed by the Sarlacc pit in Carkoon and digested for thousands of years before released again
Funny that Buzz forgot the two best set pieces in X2 by MrBoinfoint	May 4th, 2006 10:54:01 AM
Namely the jaw-dropping perfection of Nightcrawler's infiltration of the White House and Wolverine's first true berserker rage during Stryker's assault on the X-Mansion. Guess he was too busy sticking to his preconceived notions. Not that the movie is great or anything, and the ending (Phoenix vs. a big puddle) kinda sucks, but those two scenes are everything that an X-Movie should be and to not mention them betrays an overpowering bias, or lazy reviewing, or the fact that he had one too many shots of Patron and missed the first half of the movie. Woulda liked to see Paul Smith's Kitty vs. Sidri Hunters issue instead of the lame-ass fairy tale.
Yub nub, eee chop yub nub! by AstroThunder	May 4th, 2006 11:09:13 AM
Wonderful news abot Star Wars on DVD. Now my roommate can ditch our THX laser discs. Allay loo tu nuv, allay loo tu nuv, allay loo tu nuuuuuv!
death note by fried samurai	May 4th, 2006 11:22:35 AM
What a great series.I read the first volume last week and couldn't put it down.A real page turner.I just ordered the the other volumes that are available.Read the first volume of Monster last night it looks to be another good one.
Infinite Crisis vs. Civil War by mattb127	May 4th, 2006 11:30:44 AM
Hey! I just finished I
IC vs. Civil War by mattb127	May 4th, 2006 11:40:34 AM
Sorry about that...I finished IC#7 and CW#1, and honestly, seriously, is there any comparison? And *SPOILER ALERT* so, here's what I think happened in IC#7: Superman knocked out Doomsday with a couple quick punches (Wha huh?) and then flew SB Prime through a field of Kryptonite (What huh?) through Krypton's Red Sun (Uh...okay...) which is conveniently located next to Mogo, the Green Lantern Planet. Then something when flooey with SB Prime's powers--why, no one can say--and this Earth's Superman--surrounded by kryptonite that has no effect on SB prime, and after flying through his own RED SUN, was able to beat the snot out of pre-crisis Superboy. Way to go DC! A couple Green Lanterns died. And I think Precrisis Luthor is back. Then Superboy prime sat in a red sun prison, carved a bloody S on his chest, and said "I'll be back!" Meanwhile, Marvel launched one of the most beautiful, best written, well-conceived, poignant mini-series in a long time. Here's some news from a longtime DC Fan: Make Mine Marvel.
To suggest that Singer... by Childe Roland	May 4th, 2006 11:41:34 AM
...ripped off Resrvoir Dogs in any way is pretty damned amusing, even if you don't note all the very pronounced differences between the plots of those films. All you need to do is a little research on where Tarantino got the "idea" (read: whole story) for Dogs to enjoy the tinfoil-on-the-teeth taste of irony.
dont worry about losing credibility by Fantomex	May 4th, 2006 11:54:12 AM
I didn't knew you skipped X2, and I still never found your reviews remotely credible.
Rich Johnston's Holed Up #3 by RichJohnston	May 4th, 2006 11:57:15 AM
Clearly the most exciting book published this week. What?
Singer really did rip off Tarantino. by SleazyG.	May 4th, 2006 12:20:50 PM
"Usual Suspects" was the best of a long series of Tarantino knockoffs, from "Two Days in the Valley" to "Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead" to dozens I don't even remember the names of any more to the recent "Lucky Number Slevin". "Slevin" is actually pretty good, though, except for the most Tarantino-esque moment:a an annoying monologue about Schmoo that ripped me right outta the movie. After "True Romance" there were a lotta these movies that tried to be tough and clever but failed miserably and bit it hard, and trying to pretend that wasn't the case is kinda silly. All of that being said, you're right about the irony. There's no question that QT is nothing but a big fat ripoff artist. Sometimes he does it really well, and sometimes less so, but the fact is everything from "Reservoir Dogs" on is a pastiche of his influences. He rips off decades' worth of asian cinema, he rips off Scorcese, he rips off blaxploitation, he rips off Westerns, he rips off "bonnie and Clyde", and so on. The closest he's come to finding his own voice is the inclusion of excessive vulgarities and a willingness to abuse even the protagonists we're supposed to root for. Sometimes those things flow wonderfully and it's like poetry; sometimes they land with a sickening thud (all that "my name is Buck" garbage in "KBV1"). Tarantino movies are like throwing a bunch of your favorite stuff in an Osterizer and hitting "puree", but it's not a guaranteed recipe for success. Sometimes you realize halfway through that you may love fried mozzarella sticks and bourbon and peanut butter cups and pickled ginger, but that's gonna be one shitty smoothie to choke down.
About that issue of CHECKMATE: by SleazyG.	May 4th, 2006 12:25:22 PM
I dunno, man. I mean, I liked all of the action, and it was far more brutal than I expected, and I liked the espionage stuff. There's a part of me, though, that finds it hard to accept that Alan Scott is suddenly okay with slashed throats and dudes getting gunned down, or that a cheesecake member of the JLI would just set a dozen dudes on fire. I mean, seriously, where do you draw the line between what these people are doing and what the bad guys do? Especially when it's clear that they're being played/manipulated by somebody, meaning they could end up killing a whole shitload of the wrong people over the course of a single 30-minute surgical strike? I dig the CHECKMATE concept, but I'm not convinced it's anywhere the heroes belong. Now, if they're not longstanding heroes, or they're more like the kids who sign on for the Suicide Squad, or for that matter the upcoming SECRET SIX, that's a whole 'nother thing. I'm just questioning their current meta membership is all.
Oh My Gosh! How Did AICN Miss the SW DVD story???! by George Newman	May 4th, 2006 12:30:57 PM
Surely they didn't post about it here, http://tinyurl.com/hvsdh, at 10 pm last night?! Geez Harry; here's the ball, and here's you: Get on the ball,... grumble grumble retards that can't read grumble grumble
Gotta disagree with you, Sleazy G. by Childe Roland	May 4th, 2006 12:36:25 PM
Suspects is a totally different story than Dogs. One is about waiting for a bunch of schmoes to find out who the undercover cop is when you, the viewer, already know for more than half the movie. The other is about wondering if this Keyser Soze character even exists and watching the characters not really care as they go about planning and carrying out several complicated heists until the last minute or so of the film, when you get sucker-punched. Different dynamics at work. And Dogs is a clear rip off of one film: City on Fire. Check it out. You'll see. Granted, Tarantino gave the characters far more character through his skillful use of dialogue, and I think his version of the story is better than the one he copied. But comparing Dogs and Suspects just doesn't work. On the most fundamental level, Dogs is about the pleasure of watching the characters get mindfucked throughout (and tips its hand to the viewer too early, imho) while Suspects is a heist film that decides to fuck with you pretty much at the last possible opportunity and leaves you immediately wanting to watch the movie again just to take in the nuance of Spacey's performance (another credit to Singer as director). Suspects owes nothing to QT.
I get what you're saying, Roland... by SleazyG.	May 4th, 2006 12:45:12 PM
...but "Suspects" came out after "Pulp Fiction", not just "Dogs" (I misspoke, my bad). By that time Tarantino had both a moderate indie hit and a bona fide blockbuster on his belt, which brought out a rash of imitators. Some were more direct ripoffs than others; some writers and directors were smart enough to put their own spin on things. Singer certainly did. You're right about the differences, but if you pull back a bit there's no question about the influence of Tarantino on that movie. In fact, your same argument applies to "Dogs": sure, he stole the idea from a 25 minute segment of another movie, but then he took another 60 minutes to flesh out characters, throw in some twists, add his own distinct (if at times annoying or over the top) voice, etc. The thing is, if you acknowledge that Tarantino swipes chunks from all over the place, you have to at least acknowledge that all the "cool, snarky tough guy crime thriller" movies that followed his first two works also swiped mood, style, technique or voice from QT. I'm not saying he's brilliant or that he's not a thief, obviously: I'm just saying the people who just swiped from him instead of ripping off their own influences or doing something original were doing themselves and their audiences a disservice. Look to the most obvious geek example for comparison: Lucas may have swiped stuff from all over for "Star Wars", but he did it well and in his own style. All the knockoffs that followed were only ripping "SW" off, not their influences, and boy howdy did they suck as a result--"Ice Pirates", anyone?
You're just mad because you have Space Herpes, Sleazy by MrBoinfoint	May 4th, 2006 01:23:02 PM

Thing by El Vale	May 4th, 2006 01:42:49 PM
"Like a fat girl squeezed into pink lycra stretch pants." But aren't those disgusting? Count me out please.
whoa!!! by blackthought	May 4th, 2006 01:44:42 PM
if you read the fine print of that star wars dvd release...its not a dvd release of the originals star wars...it is a dvd release of the actual video footage of the movie being released in a theatre...it will feature the gaurds carrying the film reel to the theatre and the long lines of children who are eagerly awaiting in sweet anticipation while unbeknownest to themselves that their childhood would soon be raped...and i loved zee crisis!!! so i'm with ya heathen...read the first civil war...capt's ass whupping was fun...the rest meh...and and...mmmm....class time.
Ok what the FUCK is wrong with you people?! by El Vale	May 4th, 2006 01:51:44 PM
Thank you for the spoilers, man.
Thank God for mattb by El Vale	May 4th, 2006 02:00:25 PM
Stick around dude.
And hey, Rich Johnston's here! by El Vale	May 4th, 2006 02:01:11 PM
Say hi everyone, i love that guy.
Vale, tread lightly or I'll spoil the shit out of LOST by The Heathen	May 4th, 2006 02:32:45 PM
and, mattb might have some valid points, but have you finished IC, or read Civil War yet? And even if Civil War turns out to be great, cause I really hope it does, one thing is clear, and that is the path to these main events differ geatly. Infinite Crisis was planned exceptionally well. Sure, a few grains of sand slipped through, but in all it was very well planned. The path to Civil War was kind of a mess. Btw, why/how was Daredevil in Civil War? And Marvel needs to make up it's mind on Nick Fury. He's out in Secret War, back in Iron Man #7, back in the Hulk (which was revealed to be a robot, but why bother?), and out again in CW? And, please know that by all means, I don't think IC is perfect. But do I feel I got my money's worth? Was I entertained? Hell yes. We even got the cardstock cover back! There needs to be more than just black and white views, or Marvel Zombies and DCUers(?) points of view.
I wasn't kidding about LOST! by The Heathen	May 4th, 2006 02:34:48 PM

Fav's started a MySpace group for Iron Man by The Heathen	May 4th, 2006 02:41:45 PM
Apparently he wants fan reaction and opinions while developing the movie. God bless him, cause that could be a nightmare. There's a link on Newsarama for it.
I still don't see/smell the mark of QT on Suspects... by Childe Roland	May 4th, 2006 02:47:59 PM
...Sleazy, although your points about the proximity of the films (Dogs, Fiction and Suspects) in time and space can create the space for benefit of the doubt. It's entirely possible that Singer saw Dogs (not Fiction, as Suspects would have had to have been in production by the time of that film's release) and thought: I could make a movie about criminals being played by a con artist...but here's what I would do different. The voice is totally different. Far less informed by pop culture references and pseudophilosophy. The dialogue is much more hard boiled and the characters are more fleshed out through their actions within the context of the narrative as opposed to through a flashback or exposition (except in the case of Byrne's Keating, who gets a lot of exposition about him from the agent, but it turns out to be a red herring). I'd say Singer's film owes far more to the crime noir genre while QT's work is informed largely by hip 70s action and exploitation flicks. Don't get me wrong. I love both movies and watch them each probably at least five times a year. But just because they're both about tough criminals getting bent over by a lying insider doesn't mean they're the same thing...or the same ballpark. They might be the same sport, but one would hardly say Rodman ripped off Jordan's style of playing just because they were on the court at the same time doing essentially the same thing. There are differentiating elements of style and technique that need to be considered. They were each playing their own game.
chuck norris by blackthought	May 4th, 2006 02:49:11 PM
as iron man!
About mattb by El Vale	May 4th, 2006 03:00:41 PM
I didn't mean he's right and you guys are wrng or anything, just that it's good to see an oposing view around these parts cause i'm really not looking forward to "IC was great, Civil War sucks" for 6 months.
Reservoir Dogs/Pulp Fiction/Usual Suspects by Ambush Bug	May 4th, 2006 03:03:34 PM
Persoanlly I like Ususal Suspects, but I have to admit that it was part of a new/old trend in Hollywood to follow suit with what's deemed edgy and popular that particular year. After Dogs and Pulp came out, there were a lot of movies to come out where everyone is a pretty despicable person. Layered evil and textured characters who were pretty bad, but were able to show signs of being a decent human being. This was nothing new, but the blurred lines between good and bad that were often the highlight of noir and crime fiction and film were once again deemed hip and fresh. That's why you kind of felt for John Travolta when he was Uzi-ed by Bruce Willis or when you winced when Nice Guy Eddie was gunned down in a Woo-triangle. Singer's Usual Suspects, like Dogs and Pulp showed that being bad guys doesn't always constitute the characters to be "bad" guys. On top of that, all of the films shuffled what the mainstream audiences knew about linear story structure. After Dogs and especially Pulp, it seemed like people finally realized that you didn't necessarily have to start at the start, middle around in the middle and then end with the end. Usual Suspects begins with Kaiser Soze on the boat, everyone is dead, and you don't know what the hell is happening. Dogs begins with Mr. Orange squirming around in the backseat after a foiled bank robbery. Pulp begins with Tim Roth and that crazy broad knocking over a diner. QT made it popular to trust the audience to follow that form of storytelling. He trusted the audience that he had what it took to fill in the blanks by starting hip-deep in the story. Singer followed suit in Suspects. The fact that both gathered a group of rogues in a room, the similar story structures and devices, the cooling up of bad guys and the lack of really good guys. All three movie had them. It's not that they've never been done before, but the fact that DOGS and PULP were super-nova popullar around the same time Singer busted out with SUSPECTS deos seem to make one think that Singer saw the films before making his own film, took notes. There's nothing wrong with it. Pitching something along the lines of "It's going to be like Pulp Fiction" and "Reservoir Dogs" probably helped Singer get his film made, for sure. And that doesn't take away from the fact that I liked all three.
Damn typos and more... by Ambush Bug	May 4th, 2006 03:17:36 PM
Sorry about the typo laden post above, but I think I got my point across. Speaking of similarities between films. I never really saw anyone comment on the similarities in story structure that Raimi's original SPIDER-MAN had with Donner's first SUPERMAN film. Anyone else notice this?
"Ice Pirates" was really more parody than rip-off. by rev_skarekroe	May 4th, 2006 03:33:46 PM
Just sayin'.
I know what you're saying about the trend... by Childe Roland	May 4th, 2006 03:40:00 PM
...in Hollywood, Bug. And you're also right that the concept of layered anti-heroes is nothing new (70s cinema was rife with them and Hollywood is nothing if not cyclical). You may even be right that the popular acceptance of QT's work at the time helped get first-time-director Singer's pitch greenlighted. But you like all three films, so you have to see that - despite some thematic and structural similarities - Suspects is just very differently written and executed than either Dogs or Pulp. The tone is different. Pulp - and, to a lesser extent, Dogs - felt almost like metamovies with one foot in the fiction and one foot squarely touching the collective/connective pop-cultural subconscious of the viewers. There was a whimsical out-of-character quality to nearly all the characters in both films that, despite the evil shit they were doing, made most of them relatable and even likeable (your point about Travolta getting gunned down being an excellent example). Suspects wasn't really like that. Those guys were bad all the way down and relatable only to the darkest, most unfulfilled parts of people's ids. Even Byrne's Keating, who ultimately chose his own criminal tendencies and interests over the woman who loved him with little moral debate, was almost the Bond-like archetype of the heartless, tough, competent killer/manipulator that all men secretly long to be at some point. The movie wanted us to admire and even fear these guys because they were bad and hard (as Verbal says...because they'd never lie down, never bend over). Then it wanted to show us how even bad motherfuckers such as these can fear something and be brought low. I just really don't think any analysis of Suspects that stops with essentially dismissing it as a Pulp or Dogs clone is doing the film or the writer or the director any justice. Yeah...there were lots of those movies for a while. But Suspects stood out for a reason, and it wasn't just Spacey's awesome performance (which, again, you have to give Singer some credit for...none of his actors knew who Soze was while filming...to this day, Byrne thinks it might really have been his character). Actually, to pull this conversation roughly back on topic, lets compare some similar comic book characters. Is Daredevil just a ripoff of Batman? I'd say no, but could see why a casual observer might think so. After all, both were orphaned by criminals at a young age and swore vengeance. Both dedicated themselves to becoming the pinnacles of perfection in their chosen disciplines, mind and body, for the fight they knew lay ahead. Both have cowls with pointy things sticking up out of them. One is blind as a bat. Enough to raise suspicion? Sure, but that's a coincidence. Batman didn't pick the bat for the blindness...he picked it because criminals are a cowardly, superstitious lot. Daredevil's blind because justice is blind. Sure, you could probably argue that Daredevil was at least peripherally inspired by Batman, but that argument could be applied to pretty much every comic book super hero ever (except Superman, who I would argue Batman wasn't so much a riff on as a counter to). Just as not every superhero is a ripoff of Superman or Batman simply because they hold to the same inherently limited conventions, not everyone who makes a modern crime/noir film that employs a hook scene up front is ripping off or emulating Tarantino. That's all I'm saying.
El Vale by mattb127	May 4th, 2006 03:45:23 PM
Thanks--am I really in the minority? Maybe it's because I'm a DC fan, late to the marvel bandwagon, but seriously-- I think Identity Crisis was terrible. What the hell was accomplished? Why all the fuss? I find the whole thing sort of terrible, and the maiming and character assasinations shameless. (I mean, Batman, pulling a gun on someone? Wonder Woman, breaking someone's neck? Superman, doing...whatever insane thing Superman was doing, like say, oh, I don't know...being IMMUNE TO EVERY ONE OF HIS WEAKNESSES EVER. And in the meantime, lotsa rapes and murders of people like Wild Dog and Peacemaker. Who cares?) Civil War, on the other hand, is really interesting to me. This story hasn't been done. I mean, Watchmen, sort of, with the Keene Act (Right?). But the whole thing just sort of seems to make sense to me. Of course people would want them registered. Of course there would be sides. Of course Cap would disagree. And I LOVE to see sort of troubled characters like Captain America show why they kick so much ass. Civil War is just better all the way around. Do people really think it stinks?
Support The Thing!! by CaptainCosmos	May 4th, 2006 03:58:12 PM

oh slott by blackthought	May 4th, 2006 04:15:30 PM

And now back to our regularly scheduled lameness. - DC by nofate	May 4th, 2006 05:00:20 PM
Hate to say I told you so but...I MOTHER F*ING TOLD YOU SO! IC sucked donkey balls. It left a bigger mess than it already was. The general consensus is that it was a meh story and Marvel continues to own your ass. BOW YOUR HEAD IN SHAME BITCHES!!
And now for something completely tasteless... by Psynapse	May 4th, 2006 06:43:26 PM
Be warned, it's VERY offensive: *http://tinyurl.com/5t3dn* *
Nofate and Mattb127 by hank henshaw	May 4th, 2006 08:03:12 PM
Good to know I'm not alone thinking this. The whole period starting with Identity Crisis until Infinite Crisis has been, IMO, one ill experiment. DC has almost lost me as a reader (not that it's a big deal for them, of course).
THE THING about Dan Slott... by Johnny Ahab	May 4th, 2006 09:22:29 PM
I love Dan Slott. He is Old School Marvel to the nth degree. I got so pissed off at Marvel after Bendis killed the Hawkster, and then with the Gwen-Goblin ickiness, that I just quit buying comics for a few months. And then the AICN review of SPIDER-MAN/HUMAN TORCH #3 (with the Spider-Mobile and Slott's genius nod to the Marvel Hostess Fruit Pie ads of old) made me laugh out loud and jump back into the Marvel pool again. I will buy ANYTHING Slott writes. Anything. Please, Marvel, please -- why can't you put him in the driver's seat of some main titles???
You Betcha by mattb127	May 4th, 2006 09:27:58 PM
I propose a pool: which DC series will be cancelled first? 1.) Ion 2.) Blue Beetle 3.) Checkmate
GRRRR!! And one other thing! by mattb127	May 4th, 2006 09:34:14 PM
In those stupid "DC NATION" things in the back of DC comics these days, there's the vainglorious Dan DiDio "reviewing" a confidential script of Infinite Crisis, and on page ten, one of his "notes" is (I swear to God) "Remember, you have to leave somebody to kill for the end." As if that's what makes a good story. Oh, and Joe Quesada--that "Cup O' Joe" thing in the back of Civil War isn't cute either. Just cause you say so doesn't mean I'm going to rush out and buy the New Warriors trade, or whatever it is you were hocking. But Civil War still kicked ass.
Mark Millar is a golden god! by Heywood Jablowme	May 4th, 2006 10:05:17 PM
Despite knowing pretty much everything that was going to happen, I thought Civil War was a great read. Issue 2 should be interesting as there aren't too many spoilers out there on it. As far as the previously mentioned letter (Heathen, respect) from Joe Q, I get it. #1 it's all about marketing and #2 look at the flack that IC caught because it was newb-unfriendly. I liked IC, but only because I've been reading DC stuff for about ten years now. There was just no way you could pick up any issue of Infinite Crisis and have clue 1 about what was going on, which is too bad because it was hyped-up big time and it could have gotten more people to check out DC's work. Rather, people check out the buzz and see heads getting whacked off, a very twisted version of Bizarro, and just simple convolution and violence. I wouldn't think that would be a good way to push your product into newer markets, but I must be wrong as the book has sold somewhere around 6 or 7 shitloads. Anyways, I liked how Joe Q and Co. is handling this one. It may let me forgive them for House of M, maybe. So props to Marvel on that. Now go find somebody who can write a decent Hulk book, get Spidey back in his costume, and bring back Thor, dammit.
IC wasn't about... by El Vale	May 4th, 2006 11:56:24 PM
Pushing the product into newer markets or expanding the market for that matter. No, it was about preaching to the converted. I know, i was there, i was told to leave. even if IC and Civil War end up being successful, i'm still pretty positive the industry is eating itself out and Didio and JoeQ are the ones who are getting your Things cancelled. The market can't support books like that because the big two are using every resource at their disposal to push their big events down your throat. I'd like to proposo something here: For every event comic you buy, get at least one indy title. Try something new, something that looks like it needs you. It's a statement, it really is, and it counts because it's a statement made through money. Come on people!
Read it, my thoughts: by Shigeru	May 5th, 2006 08:14:55 AM
First of all: Vale, I don't think the industry is "eating itself out" in the slightest. There's been a slow but steady growth in sales for a while now, and there are more indie books available now than ever before. I think us comic fans are spoiled rotten right now. There are genuine quality books from all the major publishers, and more indie books than I could possibly afford. ** THE IC: yeah I enjoyed it. Some great moments peppered throughout this final issue. But I coulnd't help to think what might have been. This should have been 10-12 issues, no if ands or buts about it. It was packed TOO TIGHT. And if you can sit back and kind of let go, it's great entertainment... But you know, it kind of got to me this issue. Because of that I'm giving the whole thing a B. (like you cared). CIVIL WAR: Um yeah. Some good moments. Loved the Cap stuff. But for the most part I felt like I was once again reading the 92nd press release from Marvel discussing the registration issue. We've been hearing Millar, JoeyQ, ect. describe and debate and hem and haw over this issue soooo much and for so long that when the actual characters in the actual comic talk about it I zoned out. I really hope this isn't 7 issues of characters debating it. I hope they get to the "devil shit". ** Mouse Guard was awesome. Spidey Loves Mary Jane was awesome (if you're not buying this I hate you)
Ah, Shigeru, my old nemeisis! by mattb127	May 5th, 2006 09:27:00 AM
You may be right that sales have been increasing, but it feels like we're in that early '90s zone, where every damn issue has six variants and the market is getting saturated with crap and stunts. Civil War, while stunty, has some kind of important thing to think about. At least it's interesting. Infinite Crisis made no sense, meant nothing, and changed ZERO. And in the process, it cheapened a lot of characters, debased the DC universe, and messed with the original crisis. Yeah, sales are up--but it's so short-sighted. It doesn't feel like they're building an audience to me. It feels like they're telling the old audience to f-off.
Wha? Shig, you have a nemesis! Check it out by The Heathen	May 5th, 2006 10:08:28 AM
Actually, I'm pretty sure everyone has said that DC has catered too much to the old audience and if anything, hasn't been welcoming to the 'new' comic readers. To which I say that there's always going to be new readers who have decades worth of continuity to catch up on. You know when I really came into DC? The end of Identity Crisis (which is different than Infinite Crisis) and I wanted to learn more, find out what was going on and I did. As for Infinite Crisis not changing anything? Uhmm, you may need to read it again and take the time to look at panels and stuff. I don't feel like typing all of the pretty big changes that have happened in IC. Anybody want to help me out here? DC series cancelled? Well, Ion is a maxi 12 part series, so that will finish out. I say Checkmate falls victim first. Say 14 issues? mattb, don't you think it's a little early with Civil War having only one issue to say that it's better all around? C'mon, let's get real. I actually enjoyed Civil War. I'm not going to judge it based on HoM or even the bumpy road that led up o it. Don't worry Vale, I don' think it's going to be months of Infinite Crisis vs. Civil War. It'll be more like 52 vs. Civil War! Nah, there two different entities. And guess what? They can both be good! My only complaint about the first issue of CW was what, Shig said about having heard everyone say the same things that the characters said for months now. If I wasn't in the loop with that stuff, then it wouldn't have bothered me. The book looks fantastic. Does Dexter Vines usually ink McNivens work? Wasn't sure. I'm keeping my hopes up for this series and thought that Cap's scene was pretty cool and I'm really anxious to have this huge moment (whatever it may be) take place in issue 2, which may do more than even break the internet in half. I think Millar said that it would be the biggest thing to happen at Marvel in 40 years or something. And about the DC Nation page? It's called a sense of humor. Not everything is literal. Didio and Joey Q say stuff like that all the time. Shit, Joey Q has a very funny almost personal vendetta against Speedball! And he's talked about that for months. Same for Didio when he said it wouldn't be a good time to be a Flash during the Crisis. Nothing changed? Bah!!!
Sweet I have a nemesis! by Shigeru	May 5th, 2006 10:58:57 AM
I didn't know that! I guess that's cool, mattb127, we can be nemesiseses...nemeni? Nemesis'? ANYWAYS. Yeah maybe nothing changed that you were fond of, or that you cared about, but things CHANGED as a result of the entirety of IC (which is more than just 7 issues). New books, revamps of old books, new characters, spotlights on different characters, deaths, ressurections, ect ect. Sounds to me like you just don't like any of the changes. I too could kind of care less about most OYL stuff but 52 sounds rockin and I will be getting the new Bat books and Wonder Woman once the creative teams switch (June?). And I had never really bought a mainstream DC comic monthly before. So IC was kind of a paradox, in that it drew in tons of new fans but also really encouraged them to immerse themselves in the lore. Plus, DC puts out Seven Soldiers, which though not over, is already a masterpiece in my mind. Although seeing Bulleteer, Shining Knight, Manhattan Guardian and Klarion in IC #7 probably means they aren't going to die in Seven Soldiers #1, right? **** As far as Civil War goes, maybe I shouldn't have read all those interviews and press releases... maybe it would seem more fresh then.
BTW by Shigeru	May 5th, 2006 11:04:43 AM
was that really Rich Jonston up there? Cool beans.
ION won't be cancelled, MattB... by SleazyG.	May 5th, 2006 12:06:44 PM
...cuz it's already a limited series. It'll run its full length cuz the money's already been spent. Will it end up mattering long-term? Too soon to tell, but I'm kinda pulling for it despite its initial lameness, cuz unlike whiny bitch Alex Ross I consider Kyle Rayner the single greatest GL ever.
"Eating itself out"... by SleazyG.	May 5th, 2006 12:11:17 PM
...if I could do that, I'd never leave the house. Ba-dum bump In all seriousness, though, I know what you mean. It's the same kind of idea that gave Pop Will Eat Itself its name...except that pop is self perpetuating, and comics are anything but. As long as they fail to reach out to new readers or do something different, and keep serving those of us who keep getting older, they're diminishing their audience. Marvel and DC shoulda jumped on manga like it was a drunk chick the day after her 18th birthday, cuz it's officially blown the fuck up and they'd be rolling in cash right now...which would have allowed them to keep shit like THING and SPIDER-GIRL running as long as they wanted. And yeah, buying more indie stuff can't hurt, as long as you weed out the good from the bad...but that's true of all comics, really.
hmm... by blackthought	May 5th, 2006 12:12:16 PM

OK, so who read the Superman Returns review? by superhero	May 5th, 2006 12:24:12 PM
I am oficially depressed...fuck DC. Fuck them in their stupid asses!
ahh by The Heathen	May 5th, 2006 12:32:56 PM
I like Rayner too, Sleazy. Glad you reinforced that Ion was a maxiseries to the nemesis of Shigeru, non other than, mattb127! I for one am glad that Marvel and DC didn't hop on the manga bandwagon. They don't need it that bad currently and I'm sure that all of these current variants are helping them just fine. They should come out with some foil covers with holograms on 'em or something next. That'll maintain sales! (pause for irony)
no ready the reviewy by The Heathen	May 5th, 2006 12:33:55 PM
la, la, la
Superman Returns by mattb127	May 5th, 2006 12:39:44 PM
I read it. I don't know. I'm hopeful. I watched the trailer, though, and it just seems...odd. I saw Superman II on television last night, and, while I must've seen that movie about fifty times when I was eight, there's a lot of insane stuff in there. I have faith in Bryan Singer, though. ***Shigeru, yes, it will end with you and me battling in the arctic. I haven't read 7 Soldiers and I hear it's great. I love G. Morrisson and I LOVE all-star Supes, so I'll check it out. But really, seriously--I can't understand any defense of Infinite Crisis. It didn't even entertain me. The series that are "revamped" are--wait, how is anything revamped? (Blue Beetle, Ion, and Checkmate aside). Uh, new creative teams may be on the big books, but--couldn't they have just done that without making WW a murderer and Superboy a psychopath? I mean, Batman...with a gun? Hello? Superman flying through a red sun and a field of kryptonite and conveniently landing on Mogo? The whole thing just doesn't even make sense. Even within its own warped continuity it doesn't make sense. And I still don't see what's really changed. James Robinson is writing Batman. Couldn't he have done that anyway? What, a few teen titans bit the dust? There's not even a new flash--and, hey, does anyone think that whole scene with Jay Garrick was about as cribbed as it could possibly be from (Good, Important) Crisis #12? I mean, "I can only run at the speed of sound!" Wasn't that the big hook with the Flash Relaunch back in '87? Maybe we'll be seeing Vandal Savage and Kilg%re soon. It all just seemed a little over the top for no good reason. I mean, at least Wild Dog was in it. When are they gonna rape him and give him his own limited series, too? Hero of the Quad Cities, yo!
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense! by The Heathen	May 5th, 2006 01:21:01 PM
Did you see that guy in the cape? He was like, flying and shooting lasers out of his eyes! A planet Green Lantern? What kind of hack writer would think of that? None of it makes any sense. ** Seriously though, Mogo is a planet and maybe he moved his orbit to catch the three of them? If you can't fathom that, then how can you fathom a GL planet to begin with? You're right about flying through the red sun, but maybe it will be explained? Kind of like how Marvel editor Tom Brevoort said that Daredevil's appearnance (despite the fact he's in prison currently) in Civil War will eventually be explained. Sometimes it's good to not know everything right away. Like with, Lost
Wild Dog, eh? by SleazyG.	May 5th, 2006 01:49:03 PM
Haven't read the issue yet, but I'm shocked to hear they brought him in. Next you'll be telling me everybody's favorite murdering schizophrenic in a battle suit, Haywire, is in there too! Ahhh, Wild Dog...bought every issue, and within a year or two started to wonder what I was thinking. Still, it'll be nice to see the guy mowing down the filth that litter the Quad Cities with all those weapons he stole from the Bettendorf Armory or whatever the hell it was...
Heathen, you're right about Bats and Leslie. by SleazyG.	May 5th, 2006 01:50:36 PM
Stupidest fucking Batman story of the last coupla decades. Both of them act so utterly, pointlessly out of character it makes you wonder what editor actually signed off on that shitfest. All I know is, that shit better be retconned the fuck outta the DCU in OYL or I'll be even more disappointed than when I read it cuz it'll mean they had a chance to fix it and didn't.
Dumbest thing I've read ont his talkback? by Psynapse	May 5th, 2006 02:33:46 PM
QUOTE:"Infinite Crisis made no sense, meant nothing, and changed ZERO." You Sir, are a fucking moron who seems to have Infinite Crisis confused with Secret Wars from the 80's. If you're preferring Civil War to Infinite Crisis more power to ya, I support an individuals tastes. But this statement? Fucking motard yeh are....(Moron + Retard= Motard). Since you're Shig's Nem , you're mine by proxy motherfucker.
don't worry, Sleazy by The Heathen	May 5th, 2006 02:45:26 PM

So... by Thalya	May 5th, 2006 02:46:56 PM
How fast will Zauriel come back? He's pretty much got a revolving door in heaven, right? hangs head I feel like things have come full circle. I got into DC with him and Morrison's JLA and now.. I was gonna use him in my fanfic too (and still am, it's just I'll have to add him to my in memoriam..).
Okay Psynapse and Heathen... by mattb127	May 5th, 2006 02:47:50 PM
First, Heathen: I am aware that Mogo is a GL planet, but uh, "moved his orbit?" Seriously? And what, exactly, did Mogo do, precisely? How did he contribute? Because I can't really figure out why it had to be Mogo. At any rate, "Moving Mogo's Orbit" seems to have had no effect on the local ecosystem. I guess that's good! That's my problem--there's no sense within the comic's own rules. By the comic's OWN RULES, Superboy would not have been affected, either by the red sun or the Green-K. But OUR Superman would've been. So...how would that plan have helped precisely? I mean, why didn't they just bring in that giant foot from Monty Python and stomp on Superboy? At least I could respect THAT Deus Ex Machina. You may be right about all them characters in the final splash page, including the weird white Shazam dude--but, uh, how did those guys show up, exactly? They just popped them in the last two pages. So okay, why didn't they just print two pages and say, "Well. Here's the new Batwoman and Shazam and everyone. Enjoy!" Because I have no idea how those characters suddenly appeared. Maybe they emerged when Superman flew through the red sun and field fo kryptonite to land on a listless Mogo. All the changes you mentioned...uh, Lex has a warehouse full of kryptonite? What else is new? Did we need Infinite Crisis to get there? "Batman tours the globe with Dick and Tim?" Seriously? And, uh, Aquaman's getting a new look...hmmm... I'll call Peter David and Will Pfeifer. As for the bet--Superman now has his powers back. I win. Power Girl's origin...thank GOD that's finally been revealed.***Now, to Psynapse: if you can compare IC to Secret Wars, we've all lost.
motard!!! by blackthought	May 5th, 2006 02:48:21 PM
thats a great name for a rogue.
Secret Wars DID suck ass... by Psynapse	May 5th, 2006 03:10:38 PM
and other than putting the sybiote into marvel conintuity what did that series do of lasting impact other than suck money from me? (oh and apparently zombifying you, mustn't forget that) PS-Way to spoil for someone who hasn't read it yet ASSHOLE. (there's a bit of a rule around here about spoiling without warning yo)
El Vale by vagrant's choice	May 5th, 2006 03:18:19 PM
Did THING not find an audience b/c of too many Marvel/DC event books or too many indie books? It's hard to say for sure but I say too many indie books did THING in. Check out Brian Hibbs' recent column on the multitude of Indie comics. Here's a link: http://www.newsarama.com/Tilti ng2_0/Tilting26.htm
psy... by blackthought	May 5th, 2006 03:18:25 PM
can u combine asshole w/motar?
I am staying FAR away from that Supes review. by Shigeru	May 5th, 2006 03:34:05 PM
NO SPOILEY PLEASE!! *** Wait I don't remember taking any bet? Do I owe someone money now? Huh? To be honest, I was a little confused by the Kryptonite Field/Red Sun thingy... The Red Sun killed the anti-monitor armor. And Superman was affected by the Kryptonite, it just took a lil' bit... but... Prime... um? And wasn't there a Doomsday question up above? To that I say: Original Superman (who's like mega powerful, no?) and this Superman both landing a ginourmous punch at the same time = nighty night. Thanks for the back up Psy... but maybe switch to decaf my friend? ;)
whoops... by blackthought	May 5th, 2006 03:34:29 PM
motard...don't want to mess up newly formed english words you know. and go see mi3...its fun...they even have a a monkey in it...ok...that might be a lie...but still...
Mogo fuggin A! by The Heathen	May 5th, 2006 03:36:13 PM
I know you know that Mogo is a planet, I was just hypothesizing as to why or how he could have been there. The local eco-system? To quote Bendis, "The Hell?" Are you fuggin serious? Dude, it's a comic with Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. Disbelief is to be had. Is it even known that Mogo is in a populated system? I don't think it is. I'm not really disagreeing with you that our Supermen flying through their sun makes a lot of immediate sense, but again, please refer to any of my posts that say, "maybe it will be explained at a later time." Figures you would only mention Lex and the kryptonite. I mentioned that, because Lex is seemingly the classic Lex again. And you can say whatever you'd like about IC, but Lex was fucking awesome in those last few pages with the Joker. You have no idea how those characters suddenly appeared in that spread? Man, I'd hate to explain editing moving images to you, much less comic panels. That spread was a metaphor for the next year without the big three. A few of those characters haven't appeared yet, but I'm betting they will during 52. We could do this all day, but first you have to acknowledge the facts that I have pointed out, and not just go, "ooh, Lex has Kryptonite!" when I pointed out a handful of other things that are big changes. Work with me here.
so...um... by blackthought	May 5th, 2006 04:20:14 PM
is it true on civil war #2 that is says "already instand classic worthy of your love" on it? i mean...the first issue was ok, capt's part being the highlight...but alot of it was eh...been there feel since the whole shabang was already given away with the split between the muties and what not...anyway anyhow...i was hoping that when i was born that i'd be label instant classic better than ever other baby born-crossover event but alas i'll have to "earn" that status...anyway where was i going with this? oh yeah...this waycom tablet is busted...i'll go get a new one...when i come back i want to read some revelutionary comments on how alan moore is directing a live action puppet featuring all of his works with michael jackson scoring it.
Glycon is Da MAN!!! by The Heathen	May 5th, 2006 04:49:44 PM

Sure Black..... by Psynapse	May 5th, 2006 05:00:06 PM
Asshole+Moron+Retard= Assmotardand Shig? I'll switch to decaf when they pry my Hellboy mug from my COLD DEAD FINGERS, and not a moment before. I'm not painting anyone a fool for enjoying Civil War it's just not anything I'll be reading any time soon. Could Ic have been better? Hell yeah. But next time someone does a story addressing 65 years of publishing history I'm sure they'll do better (65 fucking YEARS!! When has Marvel EVER had that kind of balls??).
Who's Glycon? by Thalya	May 5th, 2006 05:03:06 PM
Any of you guys get a chance to read you-know-what yet? You'll laugh, even at inadvertent things.
I'm Not Reading A SUPERMAN RETURNS Review... by Buzz Maverik	May 5th, 2006 05:03:19 PM
...or any reviews for that matter. What the fuck do I care what someone else thinks about something? I'll see it and see what I think. Man, I hate reviews, people telling me about things. What somebody ought to do is to review something like, say, comics, and shake all that up, skewer the perspective, use some irony and play it all deadpan. Now, that's the kind of review I'd read.
Oh and Nofate? by Psynapse	May 5th, 2006 05:05:33 PM
Suck my dick, the only shame I feel is in sharing existence with douchebags like you.
Who's Glycon?!? by SleazyG.	May 5th, 2006 05:06:23 PM
Geez! Everybody knows it's the ancient Roman snake god who Alan Moore half-jokingly (but half-not) worships, or at least did for a time. Of course, the form Glycon took in this case was a sock puppet Alan made, so make of that what you will...
Psy! by Thalya	May 5th, 2006 05:10:05 PM
sigh IC was good, but there wasn't much dramatic tension. Where were the highs and lows? Johns did the best he could to have a coherent story, but there was just so much to deal with.. and he was trying to have a coherent story with a set of characters but that just made it feel like everyone else got short shrift. eh.. but I know the feeling and he did well despite the problems. ..... Did you get the link, btw?
.... by blackthought	May 5th, 2006 05:17:26 PM

Uh..Psynapse... by mattb127	May 5th, 2006 05:37:06 PM
I'm so sorry, I thought I'd addressed your comments regarding Batman, Superman, Aquaman, Lex Luthor, and the new characters. What did I leave out? Oh yeah, the new Batwoman (Wait, no, I addressed that...) Oh, Supergirl and the Legion. Whoop to doo! And I meant MOGO's ecosystem. No problem there, hunh? Still a nice leafy planet. And why don't you answer MY original question: WHY?! What did Mogo do? How did he help? I guess that'll be explained later, too. I wish that was the way all stories could be. Like, maybe all stories could make no sense and then I could say, 'that doesn't make sense,' and somebody will tell me, 'Don't worry, it'll be explained later.' It's not like I believe superheroes are real, either. I know you have to suspend disbelief. But the writers also have a responsibility to stay consistent to the rules of the world that THEY THEMSELVES HAVE SET UP. You can't just suddenly put Mogo next to Krypton and take away most of Superman's weaknesses (Red Sun and Kryptonite) and then say, "Hey, suspend your disbelief." I mean, why didn't Batman just start flying around and shooting lasers out of his eyes if that were the case? Well, I guess he could've. And then they could've explained that later, too. I'm serious. DC needs to rape Wild Dog. who's with me?
What link? by Psynapse	May 5th, 2006 05:37:42 PM
Is it somewhere in the 50 kajillion e-mails you freaks have damn near broken my inbox (not really-just kidding) with over these last 3 days?
Sorry, that last rant directed at Heathen. by mattb127	May 5th, 2006 05:40:21 PM
I am an assmotard.
Since I haven't spoken to you... by Psynapse	May 5th, 2006 05:57:26 PM
in about 3 posts WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING TO ME?!?! Especially considering you continue to spoil a story I haven't read yet (and have said so multiple times!)?? BUT (and this is for ALL of you 'suspension of belief' bitchers regarding IC#7) But did it ever occur to any of you that with that many individuals (including a fucking planet!) flying around in posession of one of the most powerful devices (The rings-not Wonder Woman's bra) in the universe that maybe that's both how Mogo held himself together AND how Superman survived Red Sun rads? I'm reminded of the bitching I read bout regarding IC when Superman puts a buidling back to gether and everyone made jokes about external spot-welds holding the buidling together. I guess it never occurred to anyone that he spot-welded the interior at super-speed? I mean, jeesuz kreech, if you don't see it expressly illustrated you can't work out ancillary details in a story?? WHAT-EV-ERRRR............
wait..what? by Psynapse	May 5th, 2006 06:00:49 PM
Goddammit, now I realize I have been pissed off at something that wasn't even directed at me. Do you realize how pissed I am now??! Yeah that pissed...oh wait, are these my meds nurse? why thank...thud
Sorry Psynapse by mattb127	May 5th, 2006 06:10:38 PM
My bad on the post, and my apologies for being an assmotard. But original logic still stands: I'm willing to suspend my disbelief within the rules the writers have set up for the world. They can't just yank those rules out from under me at the last minute because it's convenient for them. I mean, come on. The shit don't make no sense. It's LAZY.
i want a nemesis! by Darth Kal-El	May 5th, 2006 06:12:16 PM
godamn u shig u have all the luck! first the star wars thing and now your very own nemesis? *poops on shigeru**i guess ill share him by proxy like psy
One nemesis per customer. by mattb127	May 5th, 2006 06:16:51 PM

Tell you what Matt...... by Psynapse	May 5th, 2006 06:18:30 PM
Lemme read it, (picking it up in about 20 minutes actually) and then I'll come back and (possibly) counter what you've posted...OR....I may agree with you(don't faint, it happens) depending on how they pull it off. I still say IC was too short a series for all that it had to cover and that it suffers in relation to that. But again, when has ANY comics publisher tried to address their ENTIRE publishing history with a single (granted told over many minis, one-shots, and whatnot) story? Godammit, I seem to have lost the sand that was in my vagina now...how will I survive the next 24 hours without something to be irritated at?
Okay by The Heathen	May 5th, 2006 06:59:35 PM
Mogo is a Green Lantern. His ring just like planet bound lanterns like Hal and Kilowog have their protective shields of willpower surrounding them when they leave a planets orbit and enter into space, right? Well, that's what Mogo did. That also kept his ecosystem in check. He's an alien planet who is a GL, his willpower could do that. And besieds being on the other side of the sun to catch the three Kryptonians who where traveling at light speed, maybe he was there to restrain Superboy P along with the other GL's? They did get a call that their home base was going to be under attack. That's why he was there. And here's a theory for Superman surviving his trip through the red sun. Maybe he had so much of our yellow sun energy that he was still invunerable for those few miliseconds that again, traveling at light speed. And it's not like Superman didn't lose his powers for at least a year from the sun and kryptonite, cause he did. If you want answers, then you can find them, you just have to look. And explain to me just how the fuck is Daredevil is in Civil War? Haven't mentioned that, mattb now have you? I have a theory on that though. Maybe the Daredevil seen at the Baxter building was the impostor that's been filling in for Matt while he was in prison? Just a guess, but at least I thought of how, instead of bitching. Changes? To repost, "The Teen Titans lineup? How about Titans East? Superboy died too you know? Robin even has his own Batcave and is working on cloning Conner. Green Arrow is mayor of his city. The GL Corps were reformed and will have an ongoing. Flash will have a relaunch with a yet to be revealed Flash. Also relaunches for Justice League, Justice Society and Wonder Woman. Joe Chill DID kill Bruce's parent's." You did still quote that, "Infinite Crisis made no sense, meant nothing, and changed ZERO." Which is just wrong, whether you liked it or not, it's false. I dunno, mattb, maybe DC should had just had somebody say, "No more inconsistencies with continuity." But it doesn't have the same ring to it that Wanda had when she whispered it, you know? And to go back to your post that started it all, "Is there any comparison?" There could be, but they're two different stories about different things and one just finished while the other just started. That's not the best point to start comparisons. And if you really think that one issue of anything can give you total assurance that another complete series is beneath it then that's pretty pathetic. That's like basing your opinoin of the prequels after seeing the trailer for Epsiode I. It might look beautiful and well crafted, and then
Okay, Heathen... by mattb127	May 5th, 2006 07:16:10 PM
I've copied your gripes, many of which I've addressed in former posts, but okay: "The Teen Titans lineup? How about Titans East?" The new Titans line up is LAME. It's almost as lame as the late Marv Wolfman/Romeo Thangal era, a la Danny Chase and Wildebeest. And Titans was just relaunched less than three years ago. Do we really need another one so soon? The series was actually doing okay. Why mess with it? "Superboy died too you know?" Yeah, Superboy died. So did a bunch of lame teen titans who were introduced around the same time as this lame-o Superboy. Who will be back within the year, guranteed. "Robin even has his own Batcave and is working on cloning Conner." A.) Who cares; and B.) Exactly. "Green Arrow is mayor of his city." Fair enough. Did we need Infinite Crisis to get there? "The GL Corps were reformed and will have an ongoing." The GL Corps was reformed prior to infinite crisis. Hal Jordan was brought back prior to IC. And again, how was IC really necessary to accomplish this? "Flash will have a relaunch with a yet to be revealed Flash." Whoop tee friggin do. Wait---let me guess---the new flash is: Jay Garrick, Bart Allen, Barry Allen, or, in a surprise twist, Wally West. There. I've narrowed it down for you. "Also relaunches for Justice League, Justice Society and Wonder Woman." You got me there. Of course, they could've just changed creative teams, right? Because that's essentially what they did. "Joe Chill DID kill Bruce's parent's." When did Joe Chill NOT kill Bruce's parents? Unless you're going by Tim Burton's Batman, I don't think that's ever been in question. Did I miss something?***You're right on Daredevil. I have no idea. But that story still has a few more issues to go. IC's story was contained and finished. If there aren't answers, I'll bite. You're right. And if I have to work that hard to explain something... because ALL of it is a stretch, and you STILL haven't addressed how the hell Superman, after all that, essentially defeated PRE CRISIS Superman, surrounded by all his weaknesses and NONE of Superboy Prime's. The thing that annoys me is that it's like solving a mystery in the last five pages by introducing a character you haven't met yet, you know? It's like saying, "I know we set this whole thing up for SB Prime to be nigh-invincible, but you know what? What the heck. In this last issue, where it really counts, he's not." How does that work? It's like suddenly making Professor Moriarty a dipshit, or making Batman bulletproof. It robs the story of menace. Why? Because they couldn't figure out a better solution.
Psy-Link by Thalya	May 5th, 2006 08:07:30 PM
The first script is up (in full!)! And I majorly took your advice and I think page 1, at least, works so much better for it! Thanks Mr. Man! Enjoy! http://www.geocities.com/one_t halya/Fanfic/index.html
WHAT-EV-ERRRR............ by Thalya	May 5th, 2006 08:12:25 PM
snarf That was sweet.
sighs by blackthought	May 6th, 2006 12:03:16 AM

just finished IC 7 by Darth Kal-El	May 6th, 2006 04:44:48 AM
im still digesting it but right now im leaning more towards a "WOW" than a "boo".ill try to have some comments on it by monday but well see. the main reason i came on the board is to ask a question from whoever wants to take the time to answer-can i please get some background on the green lantern corps? please keep in mind that im relatively new to the DCU and the extent of my knowledge is that the ring gives them power and they dont like yellow.thanks guys!
GL Corps (for Kal-El and mattb) by The Heathen	May 6th, 2006 11:26:51 AM
The GL Corps were reformed, but I think it was immediately before IC, if not during. The final issue (#5) of Green Lantern Corps: Recharge, didn't come out until the third or fourth issue of IC. So that's somewhat up for debate. It's cool that Guy Gardner was named GL #1 of the royal guard or whatever they called it. mattb, I think you have valid points and what not, I guess I'm just a little annoyed by the way you got them across is all. By-gones. To address some of your questions of how, what and why? Well, I know some of the questions weren't answered, but there's a reason for that somewhat, and that is that some of the answers would spoil books like Superman and 52, because they are a continuation of the DC verse. Do we need a 'special' oe 'mega event' to have these things happen? No, but it boosts sales and that's good for the market. I bought it, you bought it. Civil War cold have been told in New Avengers, but it wouldn't have raised as much interest. That all comes down to sales and marketing my friend. And I hate having to search hard for answers too. That's why I've had big problems with Marvel's continuity and rule bending the past few years especially. How the hell is Wolverine everywhere and just how long was Jessica Jones pregnant for? Oh, and I did address the Superman thing. Here's another repost (albeit w/ a few word thrown in), "And here's a theory for Superman surviving his trip through the red sun. Maybe he had so much of our yellow sun energy that he was still invunerable for those few miliseconds that he flew through the remains of Krypton and it's sun traveling at light speed. And it's not like Superman didn't lose his powers for at least a year from the sun and kryptonite, cause he did." Good, da? Let's just leave it be at that, huh? *** Kal-El! I'm pretty new to the GL Corps myself, but find myself to be enjoying the concept and related books. I'd check out Green Lantern: Rebirth for Hal Jordan's return. Green Lantern Corps: Recharge and Green Lantern monthly for the reformation of the Corps. All three being really enjoyable. The GL Corps mini was actually pretty fun, but overlooked due to the, Civil Crisis OYL Annihilation War. The Alan Moore Stories of the DC Universe also has some good GL stories in it, including Mogo's first appearnce, plus every other great Moore story from DC. Green Lantern monthly is really consistently good and has had some great artists too. Check those out for some GL Corps catch up.
Darth Kal-El by MrBoinfoint	May 6th, 2006 11:31:09 AM
Your nemesis, if he exists, should be named Lux Skyluthor.
Excellent name for Kal-El's nemesis! by The Heathen	May 6th, 2006 11:34:15 AM

One of the things that ticked me off about Crisis #7 by AstroThunder	May 6th, 2006 12:20:06 PM
SPOILERS Gail Simone, in the course of about 37 pages (Villains United Special), impeccably sets up a massive battle between the world's heroes and the world's villains in Metropolis. It's an incredibly written set up, and, in my opinion, the best written thing affiliated with Infinite Crisis. Then in Crisis #7, the epic battle for Metropolis is glossed over in 10 pages. Just 10 bloody pages that do not convey the damage, mayhem, or scope of what a city-sized battle between a bajillion heroes and a bajillion villains should be. Heck, they couldn't even finish inking one of the two-page spreads that might have communicated the scope of the battle. I mean, heck, Batman, Robin, and Nightwing beat down Deathstroke off-panel. A throwdown that would've been awesome to read and see gets two panels -- fight pose, head on ground. Say what you will about narrative expediency; if expediency gets in the way of telling a story in the most interesting way possible, you should ditch expediency and just tell the damn story. As it stands, the battle in Metroplis felt like watching an excerpt from the last fight in a Jackie Chan movie in pan and scan.
can't argue with that, Astro by The Heathen	May 6th, 2006 12:27:26 PM
that's where having at least two more issues would have really helped the series.
speaking of wanting more... by blackthought	May 6th, 2006 01:00:48 PM
sighs...slott...you gave it a good go with the thing there but marvel didn't create a "trailer" for it like they did civil war so it died...one day you'll get the keys to marvel's playhouse...if not...maybe dc will snatch you away and who knows...
Here are some better ways to punish Superboy Prime by The Heathen	May 6th, 2006 01:33:17 PM
http://tinyurl.com/s3c8n http://tinyurl.com/m68x6 http://tinyurl.com/nxjn9 **
an even crueler fate for superboy-prime... by blackthought	May 6th, 2006 02:53:12 PM
let bendis write him...he'd never get to do all those cool things he can do with his awesome power because he'd be yapping and yapping and yapping without ever getting to the devil shit or waiting years to get there and you know superboy-prime is all about the devil shit!...i kid because i love...the medium that is.
HOM by Throb	May 6th, 2006 09:03:20 PM
Was I the only one who actually like House of M? It was interesting to see many characters getting to live their 'dream' lives. The non-muntant superheroes(Luke Cage, Hawkeye, Cloak) teaming up to overthrow the mutant majority led by Magneto. And the corker at end where Wanda says no more mutants. So now the Marvel Universe has 90% less muntants making them more of a feared and mistrusted minority. It worked all around for me, and the art work was great!
Joe Q. vs. Dan Slott by Throb	May 6th, 2006 09:05:29 PM
I wouldn't mind Dan Slott bumbing off Joe Quesada and taking over his position as EIC for Marvel. A guy can dream can't he?
Throb by El Vale	May 6th, 2006 10:47:17 PM
Jesus Christ! Another person who liked HoM? Could it be? I think we were the only ones. A dying breed, to be sure. Stick around, please.
I liked HOM by mattb127	May 7th, 2006 10:12:54 AM
I know. Maybe I'm becoming a Marvel Apologist. But there were too many mutants running around.
Hulk 94, New Avengers Annual 1 by Throb	May 7th, 2006 12:23:12 PM
I really liked Hulk 94 and the whole Planet Hulk story line. I find that I don't miss Banner at all. In fact I think he'd only slow the story down. I think on Planet Sakaar, Banner is the alter ego, and the Hulk is in charge. And how cool was it seeing him go one on one with a bomb and afterwards get shish-kabobbed by the death heads spears. Best new book was easily New Avengers Annual 1. While the plot progesses at a snails pace in the regular series this was a great throw back to classic avegers team beat-downs, watching the whole crew, plus Ms. Marvel drop a collective wup-ass on the 'new' Adaptoid, just perfect, and throw in a wedding, just nothing better. Civil War 1 was anti-climatic with all the pre-leakage. Cool moment though, seeing Captain America leap out a Shield Carrier's window and surfing a fighter jet to safety. Infinite Crisis 7 was a let down from the previous issues. The art work didn't seem as sharp, and the ending was just dopey.
Jeez I'm away for the weekend and I get pooped on! by Shigeru	May 8th, 2006 08:08:00 AM
Shouldn't Wanda have said "A lot less mutants." I mean "No more mutants" was kind of misleading. *** Um yeah that non-inked page in IC: WTF. You got like 6 inkers on that damn book and you can't finish that? Weird.
.... by blackthought	May 8th, 2006 08:35:08 AM
monday...
Throb, your spot on for the NA Annual by The Heathen	May 8th, 2006 08:48:55 AM
I wish more of the regular series was like that. I was positive that the whole issure wold be Luke and Jess standing in front of the altar talking with two pages of a fight at the end. Complete 180, and thank the maker! Great issue. Coipel's work was all over though, I think in large part to having no less than 8 inkers and 3 colorists. If he finds two that mesh well with him, then his skill would increase even better. And how about, Stan Lee being the preacher?!
M:I:III by The Heathen	May 8th, 2006 08:52:26 AM
Any movie that has, Jonathan Rhys Meyers in it and I DON"T hate him, has got to be doing something right. Great action scenes. There's like 7 of them I think. blackthought
MI3 by mattb127	May 8th, 2006 09:23:18 AM
Cruise is a freakasaurus rex, but that movie kicked ass. I love how everyone's saying that a $120 million worldwide, non-holiday weekend is some sort of disaster.
yeah, I know by The Heathen	May 8th, 2006 09:59:18 AM
"$48 million? Wow, that's weak." It's like the people who say that Sin City (or how the real smart ones say, "Sin Shitty" Oh, the wit!) was a flop because it only made $75 million domestic. Or how King Kong and Batman Begins were flops too. As for Mission Impossible? I loved the scene with the tongue depressers. blackthought, I kept wondering where Simon Peggs monkey was?!!
well... by blackthought	May 8th, 2006 10:26:55 AM
they have to save the monkey for the sequel to this...then agian they might use it as a macguffin like how the rabbit's foot was in mi3.
The IC by The Heathen	May 8th, 2006 10:38:19 AM
I have stated that I unabashedly dig this series, but that doesn't mean that I think it's perfect. Here are some of my gripes. The art, when not done by Jimenez, Perez or even Ordway is not as good as the rest. I like Ivan Reis (great work on GL #10 and Rann-Thanagar) but he doesn't fit in this series, especially when his faces are rendered a lot differently than the other artists. I think I feel the same for Bennett, but I'm not too familiar with his work. That splash page at the end of #7 was a good idea, BUT I think Jimenez or Perez should have done it and I think DC should not have shown/revealed characters like the red haired (hmm
M:I:4 - The Monkey's Tail by The Heathen	May 8th, 2006 10:41:35 AM
Starring Simon Pegg, Tom Cruise and the monkey they must protect because it's carying an anti-god weapon inside it! The buddy movie to end all buddy movies!
M:I:III: by Shigeru	May 8th, 2006 11:08:48 AM
Bitchin. Very bitchin. Hooray for Simon Pegg. I still think he'd make a great Rorschach. *** Heathen, think about this one: Batman, Nightwing and Robin vs. Deathstroke. And we didn't even get to see that fight. The more I think about it the more it's pissing me off.
I know by The Heathen	May 8th, 2006 11:44:36 AM
That's where those extra few issues would have been key. It would have been a great scene too. I read that GA beats Deathstroke up and arrests him in his book or something. Bullshit I say. I like, Ollie, but really? Winick's OYL books have been mediocre at best. It sucks that two of my favorite characters (Ollie and Nightwing) are in the lamo DC books right now.
Iron Men by The Heathen	May 8th, 2006 11:59:29 AM
Tom Cruise and Leo Dicaprio are probably too hard to get, but I think they have the acting chops for the role. Matthew Fox's name has been mentioned. Could be interesting, I just haven't seen him play a role where he has a cocky swagger. Edward Norton? Does he have the voice? Oded Fehr? Maybe, can he do an american accent? He looks like he'd be a mean drunk, and I guess that's a compliment. Clive Owen? I could see that. Jim Caviezel?
if comics were more like dvd releases... by blackthought	May 8th, 2006 12:01:58 PM
then we will have infinite crisis: directors cut with 5 more issues of edited content as well as new...i'd get that. batfamily v. deathstroke is an issue unto itself right there.
late input, IC good, CW bad. Ok? by Homer Sexual	May 8th, 2006 12:06:20 PM
As I've said before, I think the new Blue Beetle will be an early casualty. I really enjoyed the conclusion to IC, I'd give it a 90. It did seem to show 6 of the 7 soldiers in the big spread at the end, so maybe I know which soldier will die, and it's not who I expected. I totally agree with Shigeru, Civil War 1 seemed like the 92nd press release discussing registration. YAAAWWWNN. So tiresome, and Millar is probably my third-favorite writer, after BKV and Morrison. I won't pick up any more, maybe the trade later. The Cap part was good, though. I don't think Marvel does "events" as well as DC, since I can't really think of any Marvel event I've enjoyed (HoM, putrid, sorry). And I'm a semi-Marvel zombie, buying at least 2 Marvels for every DC. And the reason Thing isn't selling better...too dated, too retro, too square. I've said that before, I know, and #6 was a lot better than #7. I'll keep buying since it's about to be cancelled, though. Maybe. Probably.
MI3 and too much information by Homer Sexual	May 8th, 2006 12:10:11 PM
$48 million domestic is certainly below expectations, though not a total disaster. I am glad it didn't do that well, because I just can't bear to watch freeky creep Cruise any more. If I didn't know all about him, I would not mind..he's ok as a performer, but I can't get past all of his whacked-out Scientology anymore and won't see this or any other movie he's in. And I think a lot of people feel that way. Knowing too much about actors can really ruin them, destroying the ability to get lost in the character/performance. So I feel bad for, say, Russell Crowe, but automaton Cruise asks for it.
Anyone think... by Thalya	May 8th, 2006 12:11:49 PM
The latest Outsiders has been better than expected (though no homerun)? The latest seems to have a fair amount of (covert) good old regular superheroics in it, which makes waiting for any Boomerang Jr. revelations much more tolerable.
Shadowpact by The Heathen	May 8th, 2006 12:24:06 PM
I think that will be the first to be canceled. I forgot about it when mentioning the others like Blue Beetle and Checkmate. I kinda think, Shadowpact could be fun though. ** blackthought, Peter Jackson should get behind that IC Directors cut! I really wish DC would do something like that. People would bitch and moan, but I'm a completist of most things (damn you George Lucas!
Well exactly by El Vale	May 8th, 2006 12:30:25 PM
Since IC just wrapped up its 7 issue run and CW has just begun, we can all agree IC is way better than CW and Marvel just can't pull off an event in 22 pages, right? I mean we're all smart and objective adults here so we can agree on that.
I getcha, Heathen by Thalya	May 8th, 2006 12:44:39 PM
I mean Outsiders is still being written by Winnick, though if anything I might be prepping for crossover-dom because the Brotherhood of Evil looks like it's popping up in both that book and Teen Titans (among others?). In other news.. 2 days til 52!!!
Outsiders by Homer Sexual	May 8th, 2006 12:49:07 PM
of course I meant to say that Thing 6 was better than thing 5, though not nearly as good as when he was on the island with Nighthawk and Constrictor. And I am feeling Outsiders OYL, quite a bit, actually. I just kept it to myself because I think Outsiders is quite unpopular around here. Vale,I'll revisit Civil War in the trade and see, but it seems so tired to me. And I liked lots of mutants. No More Mutants? There seems like a lot. plus, if there's only 198 left, that is way less than 10%. Yeah, that's a nit. I really do prefer Marvel, just not it's recent events.
Maybe Marvel characters aren't as suited to "EVENTS"... by Shigeru	May 8th, 2006 01:01:38 PM
Because Marvel characters are at their best when they are humanistic soap opera stories with sooper hero fights thrown in. Y'know, Spidey gets the shit kicked out of him by the Vulture, drags his ass back to his apartment, and realizes he can't pay his rent. What would be the best scene in that comic (HINT: it's not the tights part)? A lot of the heroes are loners, and even the FF work the best only together (even though they should be doing epic cosmic stuff all the time). Sure The Avengers are a team, but beating up Ultron isn't really EVENT worthy, ya know? So maybe that's why Civil War is more about the affect things have on individual characters rather than giant cosmic threats and stuff? Just a thought. And I LIKE giant cosmic threats and stuff too! Am I sounding like Vale?
IC brought me back to comics. by Devil'sOwn	May 8th, 2006 01:06:06 PM
Ofcourse it wasn't perfect. Sprawling epics, especially by DC, rarely are. And I get a headache just thinking about how they're going to "refine" continuity (ENOUGH already!!). But it got people talking. And it showed DC could still do a good old- fashioned multi-hero & villain throwdown. In that respect, #7 delivered.
Outsiders OYL and Wolverine by The Heathen	May 8th, 2006 01:07:51 PM
I like the team, even the new roster, but I'm just not jiving with these past couple of issues. How is Nightwing in New York and Africa? Must be related to Wolverine. Speaking of which, I implore anybody who wants to read a really wonderful Wolverine story with dynamic art to check out Wolverine #41. Here's some great dialogue from it, "I want to call up the berserker inside me. I want the world to go red, the killing to become second nature. - But I can't. - Long as I've got this precious parcel
Shig, you almost did sound like, Vale?!?!! by The Heathen	May 8th, 2006 01:13:56 PM
Vale (and everybody else) download that Wolverine issue and all of Son of M. I honestly think you will like these, unlike how I thought you probably wouldn't like IC. ; ) *** The FCBD issue of Runaways was great!!! The art was very different, but I couldn't pull my eyes away from it. Really good. I love those damn Runaways.
Free Comic Book Day by Shigeru	May 8th, 2006 01:26:43 PM
Who got the new free OWLY on Saturday as part of FCBD? ...holds bitch slap hand ready if you say no... It was better than the Runaways one...
I've been considering picking up Outsiders recently... by Devil'sOwn	May 8th, 2006 01:28:33 PM
Always liked the character of Katana and was intrigued by the addition of the new Captain Boomerang, but what I've been hearing hasn't been to encouraging.
Ewen McGregor As IRON MAN. by Buzz Maverik	May 8th, 2006 01:32:20 PM
See, if I'd directed DAREDEVIL, I would have had cast approval, of course and would have gone for McGregor. You all saw what happened when they didn't do it my way. I wouldn't have thought of McGregor for Iron Man / Stark but I saw DOWN WITH LOVE and realized he could do it. Clooney would be perfect but let's face it, after BATMAN & ROBIN and winning an Oscar, would you play another sueprhero? Well, you or I would, but I'm talkin' normal people. Oddly, Nicolas Cage could have done Iron Man and probably should have instead of Ghost Rider. I mean, the guy is 42 years old. I don't know how they're doing Ghost Rider, but 42 year old guys have probably messed with the occult all they're going to and would only be coasting as stunt riders. We also have a concept of our own mortality. Ghost Rider should have definitely been an actor under 30 and preferrably under 25.
OWLY? by The Heathen	May 8th, 2006 01:32:58 PM

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