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Sheldrake Discusses 9/11 & UNITED 93 With Andrew Bernstein (Whose Uncle Was on Flight 93)

First? by Johnno	May 1st, 2006 06:07:01 PM
Interesting read...
Still haven't seen the film by Bean_	May 1st, 2006 06:13:09 PM
I think I'm going with my friend tomorrow.
This was a great interview and I admire Andrew... by Orionsangels	May 1st, 2006 06:18:15 PM
For having the courage to do ot and my condolences to Andrew & his Family and all the families of United93. That being said. This still hasn't sold me on seeing this film. I may see it 10 or 20 years from now. Who knows, depending on how I've healed from 9/11. I think for most it's too soon, but for many it's obviously not and I guess they need a movie like this to help them coup with the events of that day. I can respect that. I'll never respect people who watching this movie while eating popcorn and candy.
Intense and well done movie... by vinceklortho	May 1st, 2006 06:20:36 PM
and a great interview. Thanks.
A sincere thank-you to Andrew by eppdude	May 1st, 2006 06:22:24 PM
A reallly solid interview, both illuminating the events of that horrible day, and the film as well.
Holy shit, fix the blue text? by Bean_	May 1st, 2006 06:23:18 PM
Please?
i don't get it by RealDoubleJ	May 1st, 2006 06:28:46 PM
5 years later & you people still need to "heal"? You'd of been fucked if you had the IRA on your doorstep.
HEAVY INTERVIEW! by williamD	May 1st, 2006 06:37:40 PM
A friend of mine was killed in the WTC on 9/11.
blue text? by hargon27	May 1st, 2006 06:37:47 PM
Well I couldnt read all of it. The sudden jump from Black/Blue text to all Blue gave me a headache.
United 93, directed by Debbie Downer by Elmore Rigby	May 1st, 2006 06:51:32 PM
It is getting rave reviews, but fucking R.V. beat it out at the box office this weekend. Yes, that miserable has-been Robin Williams' wacky family caper. Perhaps its due to the subject matter being equivalent to a root canal - i.e. something 99% of the country doesn't want to relive?
final word on the argument? by quadrupletree	May 1st, 2006 06:52:50 PM
The fact that the movie was beat by RV! opening weekend speaks volumes no? People aren't ready to seet this. End of argument.
Man is this site schilling for `93! by moondoggy2u	May 1st, 2006 06:53:15 PM

Thank You by El Scorcho	May 1st, 2006 07:05:02 PM
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"How do you feel about that?" by Thylacine	May 1st, 2006 07:07:49 PM
I feel like this interview, as respectful as it is- did nothing to justify this film. Maya Lin
No doubt...... by vinceklortho	May 1st, 2006 07:08:44 PM
that people didn't want to see this this weekend. I went Sat. afternoon and it was empty as hell. After the movie, it was one of the most depressing things I have ever seen. Every one was effected by it. Amazing recreation of that day, technically, and masterful storytelling by Greengrass. BUT, I don't know...I think this movie will be praised more down the line. It should be seen by the next generations, ones too young to know, to see what truly happened that day and how no one knew how to deal with it.
JOSS WHEDON SUCKS DONKEY BALLS!!!!! by Jar Jar 4 Prez	May 1st, 2006 07:09:43 PM
I just want to be the first person to insult Joss Whedon in every talkback.
Man's inhumanity towards his fellow man by Kentucky Colonel	May 1st, 2006 07:10:11 PM
is nowhere better demonstrated that here at AICN. "Can we have someone who is not named STEIN"...what a waste of flesh you are. Thanks for sharing your story Andrew and may you, your family and all others touched by that day find whatever it is that will comfort your souls. I've been pimping this movie to everyone I've come across since Friday night. Godspeed!!!
jar jar by isildur29	May 1st, 2006 07:14:36 PM
one thing we have in common is were not joss fans that said great interview
"You by mocky_puppet	May 1st, 2006 07:23:19 PM
that means "You are uncle was on one of those flights."
Merrick you pussy by eclipsedman	May 1st, 2006 07:54:23 PM
What the fuck, where is your picture? I mean shit they have one with a dude pogoing on an upsidedown cross, all you had was a guy with a elephants trunk as your junk
terrific interview by Sir Loin	May 1st, 2006 08:05:10 PM
Saw the movie Friday night and it was packed. You could hear a pin drop at the end, one of the few times in my 38 years that a movie has done that. Thanks for sharing with us, Andrew...and ignore the virginal trolls who seem to have taken over AICN talkbacks of late.
Killed by the government by performingmonkey	May 1st, 2006 08:06:08 PM
But we'll never know the truth. And even if we did learn about it, what the fuck could we do? Nothing. The people have no power. If they had said 'we're going to fake a terrorist attack tommorrow and 3000 people are going to die because we need justification for going to war.' seriously what could anybody have done? Vote Democrat next election?? Well yes, and that's why they didn't tell us! Also, there's the small issue of not wanting to admit to 3000 murders on American soil. I bet Jack Bauer tried to stop it.
Iraq, Iran, what's the differemce? by +	May 1st, 2006 08:21:42 PM
With Iraq a smoldering heap of lies and failure, the insane nazis that run the US seem to have their lizard eyes on Iran, who obviously cannot be allowed nuclear energy because they are sadly not white. It would seem incredible to me if you yank sheep let you mis-leaders (clever wording, cheers) kill more of your trusting young men for oil, but your US gullibility has surprised me in the past. Oh and don't say it's not about oil or I will disregard your post.
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble but... by Thunderballs	May 1st, 2006 08:34:18 PM
That flight was shot down. It is not a coincidence that it "crashed" in such a remote field. The passengers were foiled, they tried valiantly, but they never got the job done unfortunately. Another thing people don't know is that a baby's throat was slit on the flight, and left to bleed to death near the front of the plane. It is a nice story to say these passengers saved the day, but it is false. The plane was shot down, it exploded in the air, which is why there were no large pieces of debris. If a plane crash lands, it does not disintegrate, sorry. And I am not a conspiracy theorist or anything, I have contacts in the government, someone who was helicoptered out of the Pentagon on Sept. 11th. He has no reason to lie. The United 93 story is bogus, made to make people feel better about that awful day.
Pathetic Bullshit. You idiots know nothing about 9/11 by Bari Umenema	May 1st, 2006 08:45:30 PM
This is truly sad. An entire country brainwashed by mainstream news media bullshit. United 93 was shot down by the Air Force and it sure as hell didn't crash in Shanksville. We'll never know where it went down or what really happened on board but any moron can look at the alleged crash site and see that it was nothing more than a hole in the ground with zero wreckage zero body parts zero blood and zero airplane parts. It was a diversionary "crash site" to attract the TV news cameras and keep them away from the real crash site. Which could have been not all that far away perhaps as close as 10 or 15 miles. Or further away in West Virginia or Kentucky or Ohio. Bottom line is that 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by a violent neo-con faction within the Pentagon which wanted to profit from the "war on terror" and they certainly have accomplished that.
Question for you Thunderballs by Mike Lovestein	May 1st, 2006 08:47:18 PM
How do you know a baby's throat was slit on the flight? Oh, and I pretty much assumed the United 93 story is bogus. I've heard other reports about the plane being shot down.
assholes by whatyoufear	May 1st, 2006 08:50:57 PM
i don't know how you can go about spewing your conspiracy mumbo-jumbo bullshit and not feel like a total waste of flesh. i mean, brad and angelina are going to be having their baby ANY SECOND now and all you can think about is "waah it was shot down can't disintegrate waaahhh". shut the fuck up already. show me a reliable source that backs up what you're saying (that doesn't rhyme with "moose range"). just one. yeah that's what i thought!!
enough already by thebearovingian	May 1st, 2006 09:17:45 PM
Welcome back to Ain't It Repetitive News! By now even the unknown, uncivilized, indigenous tribes of the world have weighed in on this movie. They came out of the deep jungles in their loincloths, bare-assed, with sticks through their ears and noses and stepped up to the mic and proclaimed, "Eeechartee mouischeg dahdahboom!!" which translated means "It's too soon!". They shook their fists toward the sky and disappeared back into the forest. They are, however, looking forward to the new Tarantino flick.
I want to see a negative review of this movie... by Forestal	May 1st, 2006 09:20:36 PM

Yeah, let's hear by Chest_Rockwell	May 1st, 2006 09:25:48 PM
that super secret helicopter passenger's name, mr. dontknowfuckpants. I love how they know all this supersecret shit, that if they actually did, according to their conspiracy theory lives, they'd already have been tracked down and exterminated with extreme prejudice by the very diabolical fascist regime they are constantly screaming about. Hell, if they can shoot down a plane and fake it, they can sure as hell eliminate a few talkbackers and nobody'd be any the wiser. Until we see some hard, uncontroverted proof that a baby's throat was slit, and some Air Force pilot comes forward and says "Yeah, I fucking blew it up" you people will be only slightly higher on my respect-o-meter than pedophiles and significantly below used carsalesmen. And you probably don't deserve to be that high on the list.
Well, it didn't take long... by mechashiva	May 1st, 2006 09:57:51 PM
for the jew-bashers and the conspiracy wack-jobs to take over this TB. Way to eleveate the discourse, guys.
I think if the film deserved negative reviews... by Novaman5000	May 1st, 2006 10:38:09 PM
it would get them. Could you really imagine, if the film was this hollywood piece of garbage that just totally shit all over the events of that day and the people involved, that people would actually let that pass without calling the film out? Are we really so cynical to think that this film was going to get good reviews no matter how terrible/disrepectful/shitty it might have been? No one would have let hollywood get away with pulling that crap with one of the most infamous days in U.S. history.
Especially considering how wary everyone was... by Novaman5000	May 1st, 2006 10:40:23 PM
of this film to begin with. If it sucked or was disrespectful, we would have heard all about it from everyone.
People set sail on the strong winds of revenge? by Cotton McKnight	May 1st, 2006 10:59:42 PM
That is the worst line I have ever heard in here. Did you make that up?
Bari Umenema you need to watch Penn & Tellers by Orionsangels	May 1st, 2006 11:04:02 PM
BULLSHIT!!! You might learn something, like say...THE TRUTH
God bless you and your family, Andrew ... by Lou C.	May 1st, 2006 11:32:25 PM
... and everyone else who was lost on Flight 93 and their families. One thing we should keep in mind: Even if you hold your crazy conspiracy theories, keep something in mind. Whether the plane was shot down, or whatever else you think happened, it's pretty clear through the cockpit recordings and the phone calls that these people made the decision to stand up and do something. Nothing else really matters. The bottom line is that in the middle of a horrific situation, they found the courage within themselves to DO something. All of us should hope that if we were in the same situation that we would have the same kind of courage inside of us.
Home--I hope you were kidding by moondoggy2u	May 1st, 2006 11:32:41 PM
Although, I admit, its kinda flattering to be a part of a conspiracy theory (no matter how small).
Chest--Slaying talkbackers by moondoggy2u	May 1st, 2006 11:37:30 PM
is not a matter of anyone being wiser. I simply think no one would give a rats ass if an AICN talkbacker was publicly beheaded in Time's Square! Most people would probably figure we deserved it (and they'd be right).
Mike---just telling what I was told by Thunderballs	May 2nd, 2006 12:06:50 AM
I was told they slit a baby's throat on all the airplanes that day. And whoever thinks this is a conspiracy theory just can't handle reality. Even the news networks were saying the plane was shot down for a couple of hours until the government told them to stop reporting that. For all the people who believe the lie, where was the wreckage? There'd have been large pieces of the fuselage in that field, bodies everywhere, but nothing, why? Why was the last 15 minutes of the United 93 black box recording never released to the public? There is a reason. And to all the conspiracy theorists here, the U.S. was not behind the attacks. To believe so is to engage in extremism at its worst.
Just about the best thing I've ever read on AICN... by GreatWhiteNoise	May 2nd, 2006 12:57:38 AM
Thank you, Andrew, for sharing your experiences with us. Apart from an immense sense of validation about the intentions of the film itself (and the end result), you more importantly remind us of the human story behind all of this. Only through such reminders can we hope to ever move forward from 9/11. And thank you, Mr. Sheldrake, for shouldering the responsibility of which you spoke in bringing this interview to us. Best piece I've read on this site. Hands down.
There's a lot of unanswered questions by TheBigDogg	May 2nd, 2006 01:31:29 AM
And I think, given what happened with it, looking to the 911 Commission for answers will get nothing. It does not take a 'conspiracy theory' to see the problems in there, although I'm sure using those words help a lot of people sleep at night who just want to swallow the official story. But, that aside, I'm glad reading this that, as much as they could with the information they had, that they tried to get as many details right and treat the subject with respect. I'm glad Andrew is happy with the film and I'm glad he feels the memory of his uncle is being respected in this film. It was good to read.
Do We Want To Know The Truth? by pockybot	May 2nd, 2006 01:43:10 AM
Maybe not. We all have our own truth. Anyways, United 93 is one of the most gutwrenching films Ive seen next to Passion and Irreversible.(actually both Irreversible and United 93 share a similair graphic scene) It deserves the good reviews. And hey, if United 93 was pure gov't propaganda, why did they include a scene talking about NORAD war games and the ending message that said no top official allowed shootdown authority? I think in the honor of those killed on 9/11, and those who have died in the two unjust wars since, the truth behind 9/11 must come out. Why can't we honor the horrible tragedy, the deaths of the 9/11 victims, AND uncover the truth? If there was some bad apples in the US who helped facilitate, allow, etc 9/11...if United 93 was shot down, if thermite was found in the WTC. Ok then. WE can handle that. We are America, and we can always handle whatever the revelation. But the truth must come out. Question is, could we handle it?
Can't I be Spazuzu too? by seppukudkurosawa	May 2nd, 2006 02:03:52 AM
No fair.
This shouldn;t even be an argument. by ALUCINOR11	May 2nd, 2006 05:06:21 AM
It's a movie. It's about the most realistic 9/11 film you are ever going to see and whether it comes out now or in ten years, what does it matter? Honestly, I am out here in california and have no emotional ties with 9/11 whatsoever, other than the fact that I am an American. It's been five years. Would you rather show your kids a realistic film about 9/11 in 5 years, or an action movie directed by Rob "steals my happiness" Cohen in 10 years?
I'll Pass by elric666	May 2nd, 2006 11:13:54 AM
Gawd people, look at the pictures! A little tiny hole punched into the Pentagon. Not nearly big enough for a 757. Where are the holes the engines made? Hell! Where are the engines?! A real president would have shown us every detail, left no doubt in the minds of Americans. Not confiscated every video that recorded the pentagon strike and hid them away or destroyed them and left us w/4 blurry frames of video. Instead we get cloak and dagger crap. Hell, national newsmen on the scene witnessed that there was no plane evident at the site. The evidence is empirical from the Pentagon to the tower strikes to United 93. Something stinks. People can lie and get things wrong but hard evidence or the lack thereof is so abundant at each scene to make anyone doubt. Everyone speaks of all this conspiracy evidence being refuted. The gov't gathered up all the evidence and shipped it off to China. Talk about covering your tracks. Something stinks. Don't need to be a conspiracy nut to realize that something really stinks. And what a coincidence that our gov't was training for just such an event on that day. How convenient that our trillion dollar defenses were told to stand down. WTF!!! So dont take the word of a few in here that bad mouth videos like Loose Change. Watch it for yourself and decide. The naysayers have bought into the corporate owned medias that have been cowtowed & coerced into looking the other way. Will you?
Uh..... by Chest_Rockwell	May 2nd, 2006 11:48:07 AM
The burden of proof is not on the ones advocating the "official position." It is on the ones advocating the conspiracy. The default position, is NOT that it was a conspiracy. You have to prove it WAS a conspiracy, not the other way around. Sorry, that's just the way it works. Don't like it? Kill yourself. I love how it wasn't a plane that hit the pentagon, it was a missle. Then where are the people that were on that plane? Until I see a body of some person on that plane show up in china or somewhere, the official explanation stands, the way it should be.
still not interested by samsquanch	May 2nd, 2006 12:20:24 PM
I don't want a hollywood blockbuster to replace my actual memory. I've heard the argument that Americans don't know how to grieve, that American culture is too low-brow to express pain or learn from it in ways that other cultures have been doing for centuries, through tradition, literature, art, etc, but instead America makes movies, and so it deserves the low standard, because America doesn't know any better. I don't buy this argument, I think it's prejudiced and innacurate, but at the same time when movies like this get made it makes it harder for me to defend my position. Oh yeah, and Homewrecker- someday the Dancing Jews will GET you!
The plane didn't go down near Shankesville??? by Durendal	May 2nd, 2006 02:11:54 PM
Okay geniuses, then WHERE THE HELL DID IT GO DOWN? You can't exactly cover up a goddamn jumbo jet crash. It went down in Shankesville, plain and simple, and yes, there was derbis all over. And for the guy who said the media was reporting it was shot down, well, the media was reporting all kinds of erroneous information for hours after the planes hit, then corrected it later. It was chaos, and nobody really knew what was going on. And it's nice to see the complete idiots running in to Godwin the thread. "OMG! NEOCON NAZI GUBMINT WANNA KILL BROWN PEOPLE!" Words cannot describe just how stupid and repugnant you guys are.
The burden of proof... by TheBigDogg	May 2nd, 2006 03:06:08 PM
Chest_Rockwell (nice name by the way) - interesting that you are saying the burden of proof is on the conspiracy theorists. I agree. But I would extend that to anyone who presents a theory on the events. Because a theory comes from a 'goverment' commission, led by Kissinger no less, we are to accept it without proof? Seems so - even Bush tells us not to entertain conspiracy theories. No, we're to believe what we're told and be good little puppets. Well, I don't buy that. I agree with you totally on the conspiracy theorists - I want to see proof. Problem here is, the people who are throwing out the first batch of theories did a nice job of getting rid of any evidence and hiding the rest in the interests of 'national security'. I haven't even seen that Loose Change thing people keep talking about, but I just went to their website to see what the fuss is about. I haven't read it yet but I liked what they said on the first page about not taking them at face value. Shit, they might actually be encouraging people to think for themselves. I'm wondering who is spreading the conspiracy theories here - the people ordering us what to think without providing any proof, or the people sayig make up your own mind but here's what we think? Hmmm...
ATTN: homewrecker by thebearovingian	May 2nd, 2006 07:51:21 PM
I can't speak for the other usernames but I am not Doc Pazuzu. Does this mean people actually read my posts?! Wow, I have a new family!
conspiracy theory fans by jrizal	May 2nd, 2006 09:22:59 PM
One thing they like to claim is that cell phones can't be used aboard jet planes because some dude from Canada flew on a small, propeller plane and couldn't get a signal, ergo the conversations the passengers of flight 93 had with their families were faked by the government. Well, I have news for you. I personally and surreptitiously tried out my cell phone on a recent flight to San Francisco, and lo and behold, I had a good signal when our jet plane flew over densely populated areas. I was even able to reach my home there from 33,000 feet as we were approaching the city! These conspiracy theory fans deride non-believers of totally buying into the official story, but they themselves take any kind of claim, no matter how flimsy, that questions the official story as the gospel truth without bothering to test it because it fits with their preconceived notions of a vast, evil government conspiracy that involves even the families of the victims. Next time you go get on a plane, try it out with your cell phone and prove to yourself that the passengers of flight 93 could use cell phones to talk to their loved ones. Just don't get caught by the flight attendants or the air marshall or your fellow passengers.
Seconded, STOP WITH THE CONPIRACY BS by Mr. Fist	May 3rd, 2006 12:51:41 AM
Please keep the tinfoil-hat-inspired, David Icke-style conspiracy rantings to yourselves here. Yes, our government lies to us, frequently, in fact, but not about something this huge. There's far too much evidence refuting any given conspiracy theory about 9/11. There's conspiracy theories that are actually plausible on one side, and there are conspiracy theories that suggest appallingly unsound minds on the other. Oh, yeah, and there's also the side filled with middle-school armchair racists who have no idea what in the holy fuck they are talking about, and may bring up the Protocols of the Elders Of Zion any second now. Asses. whew All done venting now. We now return to your regularly scheduled idiocy.
Convert by PwnedByStallone	May 3rd, 2006 09:31:12 AM
I was probably one of the most cynical people as far as what really happened to this flight. I had no intention of seeing it but then I was hired to write a review of it so I went. I left in tears. This movie is brilliant filmmaking if nothing else. Even if the plane was shot down this movie is still a tribute to the victims of 9-11. Having seen the movie I find it plausible that the plane wasn't shot down but I still believe those high in government looked the other way when they saw this attack coming. This was an interesting interview. The whole discussion of whether Greengrass was right to humanize the hijackers I found scary though. Umm...they WERE humans! To even hint or question this is the real failure of humanity.
Convert by PwnedByStallone	May 3rd, 2006 09:31:14 AM
I was probably one of the most cynical people as far as what really happened to this flight. I had no intention of seeing it but then I was hired to write a review of it so I went. I left in tears. This movie is brilliant filmmaking if nothing else. Even if the plane was shot down this movie is still a tribute to the victims of 9-11. Having seen the movie I find it plausible that the plane wasn't shot down but I still believe those high in government looked the other way when they saw this attack coming. This was an interesting interview. The whole discussion of whether Greengrass was right to humanize the hijackers I found scary though. Umm...they WERE humans! To even hint or question this is the real failure of humanity.
United Parody by HarryKnuckles	May 3rd, 2006 01:59:37 PM
Unthinkable fake United 93 movie trailer here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =a-m59xj9jG0

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