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He Is The Man Who Will Quit SOUTH PARK For His Brother Man!! Hayes!! Can You Dig It??

1st by moondoggy2u	Mar 13th, 2006 10:24:10 PM

Gotta love Issac Hayes by moondoggy2u	Mar 13th, 2006 10:28:02 PM
He didnt mind it when God or Jesus was ridiculed. He didnt mind it when it was Allah. But when it was his faith, surprise, surprise, he has to quit. Is he a hypocrite, or did he just wake up, admittedly after eight years, and realize it was wrong to ridicule faith of any type? Or is he simply doing what his fellow Scientology cultists are telling him to do. Call me a nutcase, but i tend to think its the latter.
Hmmmm....... by sundancekeed	Mar 13th, 2006 10:30:53 PM
I guess as long as it wasn't Isacc Hayes' sacred ox getting gored it was okay. But once they got around to L.Ron's boys and girls, he got offended?? Gimme a break.
I stand corrected: 10 years by moondoggy2u	Mar 13th, 2006 10:32:06 PM
But I'm still convinced he's being told to do this by the other cult members. Oh well, I wish him well on his space plane through the universe.
I have to say... by jimmy_009	Mar 13th, 2006 10:37:30 PM
Matt and Trey nailed it, he had no problem when it was any other religion in the world they were making fun of. When it's the lamest of them all (scientology) he suddenly has a problem with bigotry against religion. What a joke, just like his cult.
A tragedy. by iamnicksaicnsn	Mar 13th, 2006 10:38:37 PM
Pure unadulterated tragedy that he's so easily susceptible to retards with a "message." I liked Jon Stewart's little Scientology joke during the Oscar's.
I love how Matt calls him out about other religions by chrth	Mar 13th, 2006 10:38:42 PM

That's lame. by Novaman5000	Mar 13th, 2006 10:40:10 PM
I liked Chef. Way to poop on the party, Isaac.
"This is what Issac Hayes actually believes." by BeeDub	Mar 13th, 2006 10:41:20 PM
Alien ghosts cause all our problems, eh? Whatever floats yer boat, I guess.
Better quote from Matt Stone on CNN.com by jimmy_009	Mar 13th, 2006 10:42:18 PM
"In ten years and over 150 episodes of 'South Park,' Isaac never had a problem with the show making fun of Christians, Muslim, Mormons or Jews," Stone said in a statement issued by the Comedy Central network. He got a sudden case of religious sensitivity when it was his religion featured on the show."
In all fairness to Isaac, by moondoggy2u	Mar 13th, 2006 10:42:39 PM
there is the highest likelihood that if he didnt quite like his scientologist friends no doubt want him to do, his auditing records (unoffical psych/confessional records to those unfamiliar with these cultists)to the general public. They've been known to do that to everyone else who went against the "church."
Matt Stone had the perfect response: by blondeman	Mar 13th, 2006 10:43:14 PM
Stone told The AP he and co-creator Trey Parker "never heard a peep out of Isaac in any way until we did Scientology. He wants a different standard for religions other than his own, and to me, that is where intolerance and bigotry begin."
Maybe.....Maybe Not...But Most Likely Maybe by Gilroy28	Mar 13th, 2006 10:43:37 PM
Maybe he's always felt this way but the timing is stupid. He's the bully that picks on other kids until he gets picked on back and can't take it. Like he's now taking his ball and going home. He didn't seem to have a problem when everyone else was the target of satire. Herc, you got an opinion on this?
crap. by moondoggy2u	Mar 13th, 2006 10:44:15 PM
I meant that they would release his auditing records to the general public.
How do you spell hypocrite? I.S.A.A.C. by BrashHulk	Mar 13th, 2006 10:44:22 PM
I hope he understands how many people are laughing at him right about now and feels that little burn in his cheeks that indicates just how much of an idiot he is.
when was the last time Chef was on the show anyway? by DarthHomercles	Mar 13th, 2006 10:45:09 PM
No big loss.
by batzilla	Mar 13th, 2006 10:50:15 PM
Issac is an idiot anyways. Scientology...HA whatta joke. Can't wait to see how they kill him off the show! Hope they take a good parting shot at the hypocrite.
Who wages a hypocritical fight against Xenu? by moondoggy2u	Mar 13th, 2006 10:54:07 PM
Hayes!!! you're daaammnnn right.
Goodbye Chillren! by ChrisPC24	Mar 13th, 2006 10:54:57 PM
It's going to be interesting without him. They might have to be a bit more original now!
It's true Chef's part is pretty small now by blondeman	Mar 13th, 2006 10:57:26 PM
The songs he did got tired real fast. And the boys, at this point, are smarter than he is, so there is not much need for them to go see him for advice. I am wondering how/if they will address this on the show? Will Chef just disappear, will he die, will he move away. I'm betting whatever they do - it will be pretty funny and probably at the expense of Hayes and his lame reason for quitting.
I hope they dont kill off Chef. by moondoggy2u	Mar 13th, 2006 11:00:48 PM
I'm fervently praying Matt and Trey depict Chef boarding a DC-8 to meet the space armada intent on destroying Xenu and the Targs. I would pay money to see that gag.
The Loch Ness Monster will kidnap his ass... by Shermdawg	Mar 13th, 2006 11:06:02 PM
and the ransom will be "Tree Fiddy". His father won't pay it. Chef's killed, and Ruben Studdard is brought in as Chef Jr. DAMN YOU ROTHMAN!!!
Here's what they should do by Hervoyel	Mar 13th, 2006 11:07:26 PM
Since Chef's part is indeed so small now they should find the guy out there who does the best "Isaac Hayes/Chef" voice in the world and just recast the part. Fuck Isaac Hayes if he can't take a joke and who was the idiot who decided that it was wrong to ridicule faith of any type? Bullshit! Religon is itself pretty retarded but hey, if you want to believe in it go right ahead. Don't expect me to not make fun of you when you drag out the Xenu stories though. For that matter I'll probably make fun of you when you start talking about the Jesus stories AND the Muhammed stories too. See this: "0"? That's my poorly drawn cartoon depicting Muhammed with a bomb on his head. The details are pretty weak so you can't see that behind him is Xenu with the detonator giving Jesus a high-five.
Hayes is a hipocrite by Gorrister	Mar 13th, 2006 11:12:44 PM
Personally, I think Chef is an overused character. The novelty of Chef wore off after the first season and Chef hasn't made me laugh since the boys told him that their teacher choked on their sea-men. South Park will continue to go strong without him.
Wooldoor by moondoggy2u	Mar 13th, 2006 11:31:46 PM
I've never studied them to a greater extent than a two week's research period. I've met a few myself here in buffalo ny and based on my research, coupled with the examples I've known, I've concluded that they are indeed a cult.
Handling the Chef character by limus	Mar 13th, 2006 11:33:02 PM
Have a final episode dedicated to him. Every time he appears on screen, he speaks with a different voice: gay, british, italian, whatever. Then at the end, he gets killed violently. Before credits: Thanks, Isaac.
Have Chef killed off by Scientologists or something by Angry Mean Panda	Mar 13th, 2006 11:34:45 PM
And fuck Issac Hayes for taking his ball and going home because they finally got around to making fun of his bullshit religion. Frankly, it amazes me they held off on trashing it as long as they did.
Sounds like a set up for the return of... by Dr. Meirschultz	Mar 13th, 2006 11:45:31 PM
MR. DERP! Derp!
He's the Duke of New York, A-Number One! by WeirdEd	Mar 13th, 2006 11:46:33 PM

The OTHERS by Darth Melkor	Mar 13th, 2006 11:46:56 PM
The other CULTISTS forced his hand. I guarantee it.
150 episodes later he decides its to much. by comicbooknerd	Mar 13th, 2006 11:48:36 PM
As a fellow brother I feel I should come to Issac Hayes rescue here.Who am I kidding Trey Paker is right after all the people and religions South Park has made fun of he quits when they make of his religion come on man give me a break don't scream bigotry 150 episodes and 150 checks later you sell out.
"I'm gonna make love to ya woman, even when I'm dead by Meremoth	Mar 13th, 2006 11:51:14 PM
Your body may be cold, but it's gonna get hot inside my bed." I didn't know Isaac Hayes was a Scientoligist. Damn, theyre getting everyone. Anyone else wanna make up a crazy relegion and extort it for all it's worth? Shit, who knows. Maybe in a few hundred years some sap may draw pictures of us and our followers will blow them up out of fear that some radical Martian God will have a heyday on their ass.
If he had recently found religion, I'd understand or... by logofdoom	Mar 13th, 2006 11:55:01 PM
... if he'd simply said, "now that I'm on the pointy end of the satire, it's not as fun and therefor I can't do this anymore". Again, I'd understand. But after 10 years solid of skewering every conceivable group on earth, making a stand now just makes him look ridiculous. He actually says, "There is a place in this world for satire, but there is a time when satire ends and intolerance and bigotry toward religious beliefs ... begins," ... now? he has the gall to say this now? This is the most blatantly, unarguably, hypocritical thing I've seen in years. I can't figure out why he chose such a lame argument, even fellow scientologists must be shaking their heads in disbelief.
Scientology is a bullshit made up religion by Cruel_Kingdom	Mar 14th, 2006 12:04:33 AM
At least the other religions (except for the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, who will by the way lie about this) can say they have been around for hundreds or even thousands of years, but this shitty religion was made up twenty years ago and their Bible was sold as a "self-help Bestseller." Duh. How dumb do you have to be to fall for this shit. I have lost all respect for you, Isaac Hayes. Burning your blaxploitation movies right now you dumb bastard. Why? For Xenu, baby. Can ya dig it? Damn right, we can dig it...
Chocolate Salty No Balls by Det. John Kimble	Mar 14th, 2006 12:06:59 AM
Oh Chef. How could you say 'Screw you guys. Going home.' like that. Oh well. I expect a killer episode dealing with Chef 'leaving' South Park.
Next stop for Isaac Hayes...? by Cruel_Kingdom	Mar 14th, 2006 12:10:09 AM
He will show up on "Oprah" and jump up and down on a couch and reveal that he's banging the lining out of Katie Holmes' poo-nanny. Then he will unveil his plans to costar with John Travolta in BATTLEFIELD EARTH 2. ("This time it's personal.) The only thing he could do that might be funnier is to go home and blow his brains out... "You killed Chef, you bastard!" Then Cartman says, "Yeah? Fuck him." Then they all piss all over his body and teabag his bloodied corpse while singing "Chocolate Salty Balls."
who cares? 5000 yr old BS or 10 yr old BS... by logofdoom	Mar 14th, 2006 12:12:26 AM
... same shit differernt pile. The point here is the hypocracy, he'd look like an ass no matter what his faith was. The validity of scientology is another thread
No no no, the best revenge would be... by Mockingbird Girl	Mar 14th, 2006 12:14:48 AM
... Chef disappears from SOUTH PARK. No one notices. ;-)
Matt and Trey are going to make greatness out of this by zillabeast	Mar 14th, 2006 12:17:08 AM
I can't wait to see how this story ends up getting told......
Hey Logofdoom... by Cruel_Kingdom	Mar 14th, 2006 12:20:42 AM
Wrong. This thread will be about whatever the hell I choose to make it be about. I think the validity or lack thereof of Chef's cult as a religion is far from out of bounds here. And I'm pretty far from religious, dude, so you're preaching to the choir. Now, on to the more pressing issue...the new topic for this talkback will be "Garden Gnomes: Friend of Foe?" Thoughts?
More like Logofdung by Cruel_Kingdom	Mar 14th, 2006 12:21:49 AM
I'm just sayin'...
They should do an entire episode using only outtakes... by logofdoom	Mar 14th, 2006 12:26:31 AM
...it's the ultimate "fuck you". Imagine finishing the season with chef still there and Isaac still doing the voice. After 10 years of recordings they could probably cut/paste anything they needed chef to say using hayes' voice. I'd be even funnier if it was poorly cut/pasted or blatantly lifted from old episodes.
For some reason I think they'll take the high road by I Dunno	Mar 14th, 2006 12:33:25 AM
and just not address Chef's disappearing. They already did one Scientology show, there's no reason to beat it to death. As for Scientology vs other religions, even if you're an atheist, you have to aknowledge that Scientology is different in that you HAVE to give money to receive enlightenment. No tithing, no donations, it's a fee. And maybe the whole Jebus thing isn't real but at least there are records that Jesus existed and there are some documented truths to the Bible. Scientology came out of a very public bet between Hubbard and his buiddies that he could just make some shit up and make money off of idiots. So yeah, even if you believe in nothing, you have to aknowledge a difference there. Anyway, Hayes is a hypocrite douche.
Put me in the "I hope Chef dies" camp... by WillowFan2001	Mar 14th, 2006 12:34:16 AM
It's not like he's been used very much or very well lately. Make the episode where he dies the subject of the suit that the Scientologists promised. Actually, scratch that. I think it would be even better if they made Chef die repeatedly over the course of the episode...say five-six times...then let him be magically resurrected just to get offed again. Or if he was destroyed by his fancy television because he accidentally flipped on the HEM again. Or have him die in bed with Ms. Cartman -- finally, a woman not even Chef can handle. Or shove him up Mr. Slave's ass. Whatever...if Isaac Hayes is going to be such a dickwad about leaving, Chef deserved a really memorable South-Park-level sendoff.
Put me in the "I hope Isaac dies" camp... by Cruel_Kingdom	Mar 14th, 2006 12:44:47 AM
'Nuff said.
I did the scientology test once... by speed	Mar 14th, 2006 12:44:56 AM
I was in their office for about 4 hours. the test didn't take that long, but I had to wait ages for the results. I lied on the test. the guy who interviewed me had this full on limp and a wonky eye. I guess it all added to the cult-like atmosphere of it. bunch of bananas.
sacrilicious by HermansHead	Mar 14th, 2006 12:46:19 AM
Well, there's a start. Now we just need everyone else to stop making this show, and then we'll be all right. I've seen babies playing with lettered blocks make cleverer jokes, South Park. Go sit in the corner, watch some Arrested Development, and think about what you've done wrong.
It'd be intersting to see christianty at it's start... by logofdoom	Mar 14th, 2006 12:50:44 AM
... I suspect it (or any religion shortly after it was founded) looked as dodgy as scientology looks now, but I take your point. But, as I said before, the actual religion in question isn't really the point in this case. It's Hayes' sudden attack of conscience after 10 years. It's like hugh hefner suddenly deciding porn exploits women.
It's obvious that The Grand Wizard got to him. by Mike Nesmith	Mar 14th, 2006 12:54:33 AM
Hayes was no doubt "instructed" by The Grand Wizard of The Church of Scientology to quit the show or else risk losing his allotment of the The Church's Animation 88 Corpse Rejuvenation serum. Fact.
I always wondered if this would happen... by JustinSane	Mar 14th, 2006 12:59:32 AM
...upon hearing of Isaac Hayes' Scientology beliefs. Sooner or later they'll get around to making fun of Scientology, said I, and will Isaac be pissed? I guess it finally happened.
FWIW... by SG7	Mar 14th, 2006 01:00:47 AM
...the Scios have not beeen around for "20 years." Make it closer over 40. But still: total nut jobs. The problem is by the time the big secret is revleaed they gotta spend at least $64K on "auditing" and shit. If you'd just blown $64K (best case) on the coursework only to find out all your problems are caused by the ghosts of space aliens you'd probably agree with it too, just so you didn't appear to not be with the in-crowd. Or maybe you'd go: WTF? Dead space alien ghosts? Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? I paid $64K for that? FUCK YOU! And then you go postal.
I didn't know Isaac Hayes was a scientologist by Vern	Mar 14th, 2006 01:01:44 AM
But you know what, maybe there's some chance that he actually can be taken at face value. He says that he's uncomfortable with what he sees as a growing intolerance toward spirituality, maybe that's how he really feels. If not, he's still fuckin BLACK MOSES.
i could see trey and matt nonchalantly bumping him off- by mrgreentheplant	Mar 14th, 2006 01:08:25 AM
my guess would be a parody of this scene, thrown in at the very end of an otherwise normal episode of south park http://tinyurl.com/flb27
Killing him off would be too kind... by CJA	Mar 14th, 2006 01:18:42 AM
...Unless its an episode where each and every character in South Park lines up to kick him in the balls and he dies from severe ball-kicking. What a freaking idiot.
Every single episode of South Park from here on in... by The Wrong Guy	Mar 14th, 2006 01:19:18 AM
...they should have a go at Scientology.Even if it's only in a small visual gag, or an off-the-cuff remark, every episode should have at least one joke ripping on the fallacy that is Scientology. Even when it's taking the piss out of my politics, South Park is pure awesomeness.
Various Solutions to the lack og Chef by MyHerosDead	Mar 14th, 2006 01:35:19 AM

Trey and Matt on Letterman Wednesday... by The Wrong Guy	Mar 14th, 2006 01:42:23 AM
Must-watch tv, that will be.
SHERMDAWG by lycanthrope	Mar 14th, 2006 02:36:10 AM
Which Rothman are you damning and why? IMDB lists over 80 Rothmans and I can't imagine they've all incurred your wrath... As for Hayes, he had his moment of coolness - now he's as uncool as L.Ron chasing bikini-clad cuties on his yacht while giving with the holy man jibber-jabber and making tons of dinero... Hmm - I guess that IS cool, just not so ethical...
Ya know, they say that Chef is a baaaad... by Zeke25:17	Mar 14th, 2006 02:39:42 AM
motherfuckin scientologist--SHUT YO MOUF! Well, at least give Isaac this: he didn't round up Cruise, Travolta et al and start burning down buildings and killing people as a means of showing how his "religion" was dissed. I still can't get over the stupidity of people who get so angry over a fucking cartoon that their reaction is "How dare you imply we're violent? We shall kill you for that!" Guess as long as Trey and Matt don't put a facial caricature of L. Ron Hubbard Muhammed in there, we'll be OK, eh?
Another reason this is crazy by Jinxo	Mar 14th, 2006 03:03:34 AM
Right off, just like everyone else has stated, Isaac had no problem watching other religions mocked, just Scientology. But also consider the degree of the spoofing. Christianity gets thumped haaard on South Park. Santa and Jesus fight and curse each other out. The Catholic Church is shown to be led by a giant monster spider. A statue of The Virgin Mary bleeds out its privates. That's just off the top of my head. As to Jewish people, they present stereotypes and then confirm them! Kyle can't throw his martial arts weapons away because he can't stand to waste money. Cartman claims all Jews wear a bag of gold around there neck and it turns out Kyle does... I could go on and on about how all other religions were harshed on the show. Now look at what they did with Scientology. They spoofed them by parodying their recruitment techniques while staying pretty accurate. Then they just stated what they believe! That was the biggest laugh of the show. Just them going, "Not making this up!" Then at the end they have some characters acknowledge that their beliefs in Alien weirdness are sound pretty nutty. That's about it. They didn't really do nearly as much. They basically just stated facts. Even their religion sounding nutty? A fact. Proof of that? They said, "Here's what Scientologists believe," and the Scientologists said, "Hey, you're making fun of us!" So apparently it sounded pretty embarrasingly nutty to them too. I'm a Christian and if all South Park did to Christianity was to say in a straight forward way, "Here's the story of Jesus," I don't think I'd go nearly as crazy as they are. I'd just go, "Yeah, died for our sins. What's so funny?" Isaac, I thought you were smarter and cooler than this. As religions go, Scientology is a weird motherf - Shut your mouth - Just talking 'bout Scientology.
I guess this is goodbye childrens... by Orionsangels	Mar 14th, 2006 03:04:36 AM
This picture looks so appropriate. 'I guess this is goodbye' --- childrens...http://www.poster. net/south-park/south-park-four -boys-and-chef-3700221.jpg --- Anyhow, this is so ridiculous considering everything the shows made fun of through the years. This went too far? lol I won't even begin to tell you some of things they've done. You'll faint, but oh no. Now they make fun of his religion and now it's bad. When it was someone elses religion it was ok?
Isaac Hayes interview by Ozy	Mar 14th, 2006 03:13:50 AM
This is an interview Hayes gave after he had seen the script for the Scientology episode - http://www.avclub.com/content/ node/44132/2
My bad by Ozy	Mar 14th, 2006 03:16:09 AM
Sorry, he hadn't seen the script, Matt and Trey had told him about the episode after it was done.
Interesting since they had done a scientology ep before by Doc_Strange	Mar 14th, 2006 03:27:15 AM
Except that it was called Blainetology but everyone knew who it was directed at. Plus the end moral about how cults are bad. How come Hayes didn't say anything back then? Whatta joke.
it's a shame hayes couldn't get over himself but... by newc0253	Mar 14th, 2006 03:30:02 AM
... here's hoping they manage to do a send-off that's respectful to the character but massively takes the piss out of hayes.
I say keep Chef by Farging Bastige	Mar 14th, 2006 04:13:23 AM
Keep Chef, using someone else's voice, like Billy West, and have a whole episode of South Park skewering the real life ISAAC HAYES, with Chef thinking he's a hypocritical douche. Yesssss.....
If there was ever an episode of SP to get upset about.. by The Wrong Guy	Mar 14th, 2006 04:59:45 AM
...I'd say it would be the Radiohead one. That was just jaw-droppingly awful. Unbelivably funny, yes- but excruciatingly awful nonetheless. There was no real culture or religion bashing going on in that one, but it still should never have been aired.
So what is your point, The Wrong Guy by I Dunno	Mar 14th, 2006 06:19:06 AM
It was funny but it should never have been aired? Get out of here.
I Thought the Scientology Episode was about Hayes. by The Tao of Joe	Mar 14th, 2006 06:30:54 AM
In the episode, Stan doesn't want to play with Kyle, Kenny, and Cartman anymore, and you see how his decision had effected Kyle. Chef didn't make a single appearance in the last batch of episodes. I kinda thought he was already off of South Park in the first place.
After seeing that interview by moondoggy2u	Mar 14th, 2006 06:33:24 AM
I am now absolutely convinced the other cultists told Isaac to get off the air.
big deal by Kegboy	Mar 14th, 2006 06:45:56 AM
Seriously, as has alreay been pointed out, when was the last time Chef was even on? I don't think he was even in the last season.
Cults - not just for white people anymore by ejcarter9	Mar 14th, 2006 07:22:53 AM
...end of line
No one understands a hypocrite like his woman... by SpyGuy	Mar 14th, 2006 07:24:49 AM
This looks like a job for the Super Best Friends!
It was about Cruise... by emeraldboy	Mar 14th, 2006 07:29:18 AM
The joke about Cruise coming out of the closet was possibly the reason he decided to walk. Maybe he was coming under huge pressure from his people to get off the air. Plus these people are fundamentalists and like fundementalists they dont like it when people mock there "so called relgion". If you think is nuts, then listen to this. one time member the 90's UK comedy double act Lee and Herring. Stewart lee co-wrote an opera called Jerry Springer the opera. it was a comedy opera. However a British Evangelical group lead by a man called peter green didnt find it all that funny. And mounted a protest outside covnant garden but it didnt work. This thing was a sensation. When the BBC decided to broadcast this thing well that was the straw that broke the camels back and they mounted an email and phone and ad campaign, slating the show once again demanding the BBC pull the plug. The BBC didnt. Not only do they not want to see it themselves but they also dont want the british public to see it either. Fundamentalism seems to be everywhere.
I'll play devil's advocate to some extent... by Chewtoy	Mar 14th, 2006 07:33:44 AM
Not that I think that Hayes can get away with comments like that now and not expect to look like a hypocrite, mind you. But Chef's notable absence these last few years could easily be due to him having problems with some of what they were doing, beyond Scientology. But that would just be speculation. I will say that I thought the show unloaded on Scientology to a far greater degree than any other "religion" it has dealt with... Usually they mock a segment or an aspect of a religion, rather than a wholesale trashing of the beliefs and everyone associated with them. Even with the Mormon episode the point seemed to be "so what if their beliefs are stupid? Who are you to judge?" You can pick out a redeeming character for every religion on South Park, but they didn't leave much room for the idea that there could be reasonable Scientologists who aren't complete saps. And that suggests that things had already soured greatly between Matt and Trey and Isaac. I guess in the end, I just figure there's a lot more behind the scenes than this "sudden" change of heart on Isaac Hayes' part. But yeah, he can't expect to make a moral stand at this point without rightfully having the label "hypocrite" thrown back at him.
Best idea I've heard... by DarqueGuy	Mar 14th, 2006 07:34:04 AM
...Was to get Richard Roundtree to reprise his famous character and guide the kids. "Hello, children!" "Hey, Shaft."
These guys are comedy Nihilists by emeraldboy	Mar 14th, 2006 07:46:33 AM
In other words they dont care what or whom they target. personally I think this show is hit and miss. The nativity ep. with the satanic animals the voting ep where one of the Children gets banished a Peta colony and the outstanding one with the immigrants are all hilarious but some are just not funny. Comedy like everything else is subjective. One mans meat is another man poison. Trey and Matt have just bagged a three picture deal with Paramount. I wonder will they end southpark by having another film.
When was the last time Chef even showed up in an episod by Big Bad Clone	Mar 14th, 2006 07:52:04 AM
The last time I think he had anything more than a cameo was the one with the talking taco that pooped ice cream. I recall when the episode first aired that he seemed to take it in stride. I think some of the other scientology wackos have been bugging him to quit. "Hello? Oh shit. Tom Cruise will you leave me the fuck alone? Look I'll quit if you stop hanging around my front yard with all your male 'friends'"
Chef Should Castrate himself and Prep for Mothership by dumbpeoplesuck	Mar 14th, 2006 08:02:34 AM
...Where he meets Travolta, Cruise, and the rest of the Hollywood scientology crap-pack (or should that be packed crap?). I know, I know...two different cults, but their both for Science Fiction nutjobs. I'm a HUGE Sci-Fi fan, but I don't walk around in Jedi robes. Heh...you know how LRH's Dianetics gets to number one on the NYT best seller list? If a scientologist sees it on the shelf at a bookstore, they buy every copy.
Matt and Trey should do another Scientology Episode... by sith-vol	Mar 14th, 2006 08:03:11 AM
...I can see it now....Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes are on their way to showest when the have a flat in South Park. Chef is crossing the street in front of them and is abducted by aliens (without saying a word so they wouldn't have to pay Hayes a dime as a little fuck you back at him). Then South Park becomes a Mecca for Scientologists. They started pouring into South Park in droves...Chef's mom shows up and posts some big reward for info leading to his return. Eric decides he wants the money bad so he convinces Butters to help him ala Scooby Doo. Hillarity ensues and at the end of the episode we find out that there were no aliens it was just "Old Man Hubbard" trying to scare everyone out of South Park so he could by the land and build a landfill. Everyone is happy and all is well then Stan turns to Officer Barbrady and says "But where's Chef?" then Barbrady just looks at him and shrugs. Credits roll.
Isaac Hayes Is a total tool. by erich	Mar 14th, 2006 08:03:35 AM
Whaaaaa! They made fun of my religion! Whaaaaaaaa!
Scott Tenorman Must Die by nalapou	Mar 14th, 2006 08:04:19 AM
was the best episode ever. Not airing that episode would've been a crime against television. Luckily, Comedy Central isn't that stupid...
Chewtoy, by raw_bean	Mar 14th, 2006 08:25:10 AM
scroll up a bit and look for the link someone posted to an interview with Hayes. AFTER the episode had been made he was still cool with them and their satire, and laughed off how they 'got the facts wrong' a bit with Scientology. He was put up to this. He's not a hypocrite, he's a total sellout.
I'm surprised it took him this long to quit by Orange Crush	Mar 14th, 2006 08:27:49 AM
Remember, as long as we don't let the Scientologists get James Brown, everything will be all right.
Raw_bean by moondoggy2u	Mar 14th, 2006 08:40:22 AM
I completely agree. After knowing Hayes' relative coolness about the whole thing and given past instances with the church of Scientology, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of a doubt and chalk it up to the scientologists telling him to quit. And believe you me, the Scientologists have kept records of his Audit sessions. If there is any dirt in his life, they would put it out in the open.
A different story from the creators... by clem_snide	Mar 14th, 2006 08:45:06 AM
The cooments from the creators seemed rather tame - here's the MSN UK news take on - far more in keeping with the show.... http://tinyurl.com/l88mt
Issac Hayes... by Symposium	Mar 14th, 2006 08:54:02 AM
...is a hypocrite.
I like the idea of just having Chef in all the episodes by Big Jim	Mar 14th, 2006 09:02:10 AM
but he never says anything. He's just an extra in crowd scenes or walking on the other side of the street. Like Hitchcock in his movies, it becomes a game to see if you can spot Chef.
Or pull a Bewitched and have Chef suddenly by Big Jim	Mar 14th, 2006 09:03:43 AM
become a skinny white guy who looks a lot like Dick Sargent.
HermansHead by MovieWhore	Mar 14th, 2006 09:14:16 AM
Its funny that someone who complained about South Park's 'unintelligent' jokes can't even spell SACRILEGEOUS correctly. Way to look like an ass.
Is it true? by invaderzim365	Mar 14th, 2006 09:19:29 AM
I heard they Comedy Central had agreed never to run the scientology episode again or release it on DVD. Anyone know if that's true? Also, speaking a a mormon, I found the show lampooning mormon beliefs to be extremely funny and enlightening. My mom even called me asking where they got some of the stuff they used in that episode. It was my job to tell her they got it right for the most part. It says something about the state of the current leadership of the mormon church when you get a more accurate portrayal of mormon history in a cartoon than you get at Sunday School.
Fuck L. Ron Hubbard by Kentucky Colonel	Mar 14th, 2006 09:26:33 AM
How does Hayes feel about Frank Zappa's merciless attack on "L. Ron Hoover and the First Church of Appliantology" from 1979's "Joe's Garage". That kooky fuckin' cult was only a few years old at the time and my boy Frank was already skewering it. What a bunch of fanatical, paranoid, self-delusional fuck-ups. I'll never be party to any project with a science-fiction-ologist again...except for the Simpsons (Nancy Cartwright is a science-fiction-ologist, y'know).
You know what South Park DVD I'd buy? by Mockingbird Girl	Mar 14th, 2006 09:27:49 AM
One with all of the episodes that groups have demanded they "never show again." THAT would be sweet.
Who else is a science-fiction-ologist? by Kentucky Colonel	Mar 14th, 2006 09:27:53 AM
I never knew Hayes was in this cult. Who else is. I want some names other that Travolta & Cruise. Maybe we can get them to drink the "Jamestown Kool-Aid"...???
MovieWhore by Mockingbird Girl	Mar 14th, 2006 09:31:30 AM
Did you mean SACRILEGIOUS? Pot... kettle... I'm just sayin'. ;-)
Re: Invaderzim, the Scientology episode by RenoNevada2000	Mar 14th, 2006 09:31:37 AM
The episode is scheduled to run tomorrow night according to TVGuide.com
He's done with the show, but... by RenoNevada2000	Mar 14th, 2006 09:33:40 AM
Is he done with the royalty checks he's entitled to? I tend to doubt it.
This will be good for South Park, lots of publicity! by StudioPlant69	Mar 14th, 2006 09:34:32 AM
If Issac was smart he should have just said he was ready to move on and do something else. Dumbass. GFY
Scientology is no crazier than your religions are by Dannychico	Mar 14th, 2006 09:38:55 AM
You all wreak of hypocrisy.
Jamestown Kool-Aid? by durhay	Mar 14th, 2006 09:43:48 AM
Now there is a cool alternate-history story idea.
Put Chef in ALL of the episodes now! by Darth_Nader	Mar 14th, 2006 09:46:52 AM
and don't give him a single line. Every time he's going to speak, interrupt him. Make Chef more popular than ever!
remember donatellos voice change on old ninja turtles by JackDonkey	Mar 14th, 2006 09:49:23 AM
the way his voice was some what normal at first, then later on it got changed to some real nasally annoying voice. they should change chef's voice to something so obviously not chef, that would be funny
not a bewitched, a Simpsons by INWOsuxRED	Mar 14th, 2006 09:50:35 AM
Remember when Smithers was black? I think they should just get a new voice and act like he is the same guy. Don't get a sound-alike though, get a totally new voice.
what if I don't have a religion? by JackDonkey	Mar 14th, 2006 09:51:11 AM
would I still be a hypocrite for saying scientology is the craziest? I wouldn't though cause all religion is equally crazy, why is god more believable than aliens?
An idea for the recasting of Chef by Zeke25:17	Mar 14th, 2006 09:52:41 AM
Chi McBride, based on his performance in "Waiting..." all by iteself. He was the physical incarnation of Chef, even though he was supposedly just the guy who washed the dishes and offered psychological advice. Or, other end of the spectrum, how about a running gag where Chef is somehow turned white (maybe due to a UFO mishap) and is voiced from then on by Zach Braff in full-on "Scrubs" metrosexual mode???
Jonestown Kool-Aid by Kentucky Colonel	Mar 14th, 2006 10:13:52 AM
Opps...my bad. But WHAT IF those fuckers that landed in Virginia did drink some bad mojo offered to the by the local natives?
Imagine no religion by Kentucky Colonel	Mar 14th, 2006 10:14:23 AM
I wonder if you can...
Scientology isn't a crazy religion... by Lezbo Milk	Mar 14th, 2006 10:22:06 AM
because it's not a religion at all. It's a cult. If your so called religion was started after I was born, it's a fucking cult, not a religion. Maybe they can re-apply for religion status in a few hundred years.
Kentucky--you dont have to imagine... by moondoggy2u	Mar 14th, 2006 10:26:49 AM
You can look at the Soviet Union, Maoist China, Cuba, and North Korea.
More importantly-Peter Tomarken gets the ultimate Whamy by Heckles	Mar 14th, 2006 10:30:42 AM
Peter Tomarken, host of the 1980s game show Press Your Luck, died in a small-plane crash on Monday morning. He was 63.
Quote 4 Gr8 Justice by Breotan	Mar 14th, 2006 10:45:59 AM
""There is a place in this world for satire, but there is a time when satire ends and intolerance and bigotry toward religious beliefs ... begins." -- Issac Hayes. "The series grew out of two short films by Parker and Stone, "Jesus vs. Frosty" and "The Spirit of Christmas," the latter featuring a martial-arts duel between Jesus and Santa Claus over the true meaning of Christmas." -- Reuters article. Um, yea. Way to stand up for religious intolerance, Isaac, you fuc&!ng hypocrate. Scientology is the new Buddism.
I hope.... by beefywhore	Mar 14th, 2006 10:47:45 AM
That The CONSTANTLY bash Scientology this next season... I'd also lke to see Jehovah's Witnesses raked over the coals a little too...Fuck Issac Hayes...fuck him in his stupid ass...I hope he God Damn dies.
Suck on my chocolate salty hypocrisy by Billyeveryteen	Mar 14th, 2006 10:51:57 AM
R.I.P. Chef, you will be missed.
As Wacky as Scientology is... by Darkfyre	Mar 14th, 2006 11:04:18 AM
It's NO different than any other religion on Earth: just a bunch of made-up shit that ignorant people follow and believe. If you can't see that, then you're just one of the brainwashed sheep. Long live Trey and Matt!
Kill Chef in South Park. by hallmitchell	Mar 14th, 2006 11:10:30 AM
The charachter is hardly used anymore. Issac would have been laughing his head off in the studio when they were making fun of christians,mormons, jews and muslims. But scientology? When did Hayes last do anything career worthy? He owes South Park bigtime. I hope aliens invade the school and pour hot butter on chef's balls.
Chef's replacement: Cook! by fiester	Mar 14th, 2006 11:32:04 AM
Cook is the new school lunch guy. Cook is large, fat, white, creepy, and possibly insane--but the children keep going to him for advice just like they used to with Chef. Hilarity ensures...derpa derpa, mohammad jihad, jihad derka derka mohammad.
Next episode of South Park: Chef's funeral by moviemaniac-7	Mar 14th, 2006 11:38:23 AM
Since they can knock out an episode in a few days it wouldn't be a problem. The Scientology ep was funny as hell. And people call Scientology a religion, but it has all the characteristics of a cult. Come on, religion has a certain history. Scientology has, by far, the most ridiculous story that could've been cooked up by a failed sci-fi writer on drugs possible! It's funny, but shouldn't have been taken so seriously. "Tom, get out of the closet!" Funny as hell.
chef has to die of syphillis by vicious_bastard	Mar 14th, 2006 11:39:39 AM
I will be very disappointed if he isn't killed off - shagged to death perhaps.
Scientology is no crazier than any other religion by Dannychico	Mar 14th, 2006 11:52:06 AM
It's just newer and seems more separate because of its "modern" ideas (aliens, sci-fi, psychology, etc.). Really, though, the idea of thetans is just a reconception of the idea of sin. It's all the same, people! Unless you can group Scientology into the same category as every other religion, you are a sheep.
All of this "what it" as far as what to do with Chef by Lando Griffin	Mar 14th, 2006 12:14:41 PM
I am betting that they either take the high road and not say anything at all or just make little, slight or subtle jab or allusion about the whole situation. And as everyone has pointed out already Chef really hasn't been around much lately so its more than likely nothing will happen. I remember after Parker and Stone got into an exchange with Sean Penn, right before a new season and close to the release of Team America, I was hoping they would go after that prick but they never did. Their response back to him via a press release was enough anyways.
I think you mean "reek", as in stink by Orange Crush	Mar 14th, 2006 12:21:51 PM
But maybe you did mean "wreak", as in havoc. I am feeling a little misanthropic today..... btw, everyone, Jesus is El Hombre
Scientology is a joke. Get over it Isaac. by SCYTHEOFLUNA	Mar 14th, 2006 12:25:27 PM
Religion in general is a joke, in my personal opinion, but at least most established religions have some central themes that are meaningful. Scientology is a cult invented by an demented science fiction author, and anybody who says otherwise has been brainwashed. When is humanity going to evolve to the point where we don't need fairytales to inspire us to be good people? We've all grown out of believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, why is it so difficult to accept that we're responsible for our own destiny? Why is it so tough to accept that we aren't special, that no higher entity is watching out for us? We're floating on a blue speck in a vast cosmos, and we can't get over ourselves enough to realize we're not at the center of everything.
I love all of the "sheep" and "if you believe in by Lando Griffin	Mar 14th, 2006 12:25:59 PM
religion you're dumb" talk. Keep condescending/believing you are smarter and more enlightened than those you believe you speak out against. Hypocrites.
This guy was just on opie and anthony... by moogu2	Mar 14th, 2006 12:29:19 PM
... and this episode was brought up. When asked how he felt about it, he explained how Matt and Trey make fun of EVERYONE equally, and if you can't take a joke, then there's something wrong with you. CAN YOU SAY HYPOCRITE? I guarantee that the cult leaders told him to leave.
actually, danny, its just degrees of open mindedness by moondoggy2u	Mar 14th, 2006 12:29:32 PM
Like you, everyone has levels of what they find acceptable to believe. Take you, for instance. Even you find certain things that are hard to believe. Some things in science have a higher degree of possiblity than others. That is not to say, however, that something is impossible rather than implausible. Others open their minds to the possibilities of higher powers and so forth. And as you say, it cannot be objectively proven, usually. But even then, its a measure of degrees. I believe most of the world accpets the possibility of a higher power. Degrees of acceptance lower, however, when we try to define it, hence the varying faiths. In my experience, the percentages drop even further when someone postulates that we all travled space in modified DC-8's to arrive in a giant volcano, buried in a hybernative state for 75 million years by the galactic tyrant who, with the use of a gigantic movie projector, brainwashed everyone into believing there was such a thing as religion. You see, danny, scientology proposes that religion is nothing more than the brainwashed "traumas" implanted by Xenu. The targs, intergalactic demons whom Xenu employs, are here on earth and disguised as psychiatrists to reinforce the idea of faith, and the existence of the world as we know it.
Re: Wrong Guy by johncage	Mar 14th, 2006 01:10:29 PM
"Scott Tenorman Must Die" is a classic. It's the South Park by which all other South Park's are judged. Whenever I try to get someone hooked on SP I show them this episode -- if they like it, they're hooked. If they're horrified, South Park isn't for them. Either way, it's a hilarious episode: Cartman buys Scott Tenorman's pubes, tries to get his money back, plots to have Scott Tenorman's weiner bitten off, arranges the death of Tenorman's parents then turns them into chili and feeds them to Tenorman. How is that not worthy of television broadcast (he asked half-jokingly).
Hervoyel by First	Mar 14th, 2006 01:19:28 PM
That's a pretty lame 'Mo with bomb on head' ... Here's my superior art ... 8 ... There! Wasn't that better?
The secrecy around Scientology makes sense, you know by moviemaniac-7	Mar 14th, 2006 01:51:53 PM
I wouldn't want anybody to know that I believed in that wacky tale about Xeno too. I'd keep it a secret. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X enu
A Skinny White Insurance Salesman by holidill	Mar 14th, 2006 01:54:13 PM
All they need to do is bring in the Chef from the evil alternate dimension from Spookyfish, he was never seen but evil cartman called him a skinny white insurance salesman. I would not be surprised if Matt and Trey do their farewell to Chef episode (however they decide to do it) on March 22nd which is the beginning of new episdoes of South Park on Comedy Central.
Question: why do people give a shit about scientology? by Vern	Mar 14th, 2006 02:13:34 PM
I mean I can understand that if someone you knew personally was in the cult that it would be something to be upset about. But alot of people I know have no connection to any scientologist. So why do they give a shit if some weirdos believe weird shit about aliens? I don't watch the show, maybe it was funny, but I don't get these people that OBSESS over ridiculing some stupid thing that Tom Cruise believes. I mean I liked Eyes Wide Shut as much as the next guy but why am I supposed to be even mildly interested in what that dude does or believes? Sure it was funny when he made an ass of himself on TV those several times in a row but people like Matt and Trey make it a personal mission to mock somebody like that and to me it just seems like a stupid hobby. I mean who gives a shit? Why is this such a topic of fascination for so many people? Same thing with Mel Gibson. I never watched Passion of the Christ and don't really like the guy unless he ever decides to do Payback 2 or Mad Max 4. But if he loves Jesus and gets off on pain who gives a shit? I admire him for at least being open and passionate about it. It's better than if he just makes more movies like that one where he can hear women's inner thoughts.
It's Actually the Religious People who are Arrogant... by Darkfyre	Mar 14th, 2006 02:27:16 PM
...condescending and narrow-minded. After all, they think they have all the answers and that everyone else is going to Hell. And no amount of evidence or reasoning will ever sway their silly beliefs. What is faith but the total abandonment of reason? That's hardly something to be proud of. Two thousand years ago, the pagans of the Roman Empire looked at christians exactly the same way that christians (and jews and muslims) look at scientoligists today. The only difference between a cult and a religion is the amount of time it's been around.
L. Ron Hubbard once said: by Novaman5000	Mar 14th, 2006 02:30:34 PM
"If you really want to make a lot of money, start your own religion." A few years later, He created the Church of Scientology. Coincidence?
"Why is this such a topic of fascination?" by newc0253	Mar 14th, 2006 02:36:19 PM
uh, because it's funny and yet people take it seriously? sorry to have to explain humour to you, dude, but if you can't understand it then maybe you should avoid the south park talkbacks.
What makes it a cult and not just another "religion" by Walterego	Mar 14th, 2006 02:48:20 PM
is it's policy of making converts sever connections to those who are unbelievers, especially within their own family. Any belief system you join that tells you to end contact with people who are critical of that system is exhibiting classic cult symptoms. If you convert to a mainstream religion and your brother or parents say there's no god and you're wasting time & money, then a mainstream religion is gonna recommend that you pray for them or something. When you're told that their criticism is dangerous and you must prevent hearing that from them (lest it change your mind), then you have joined a system that is not concerned with the well being of its followers. Issac Hayes joins a list of celebs I can't watch without seeing them as pathetic victims spreading a pernicious cult. Celebs like Jason Lee, Danny Masterson, Erika Christensen, Catherine Bell, Leah Remini, and Paul Haggis. I especially feel sorry for the people who were born into the cult (like Beck, Juliette Lewis, and Giovanni Ribisi) because their parents were scientologists and sent them to scientology's private school (which is not accredited and necessitates a GED to get into college).
Replace him with Brooke Shields by Rowley Birkin QC	Mar 14th, 2006 03:00:47 PM
Crazy bunch of wackos
Ummm.....Duh by Lando Griffin	Mar 14th, 2006 03:03:00 PM
that was my point. Just like politics there are hypocrites and arrogance on each side. "You don't believe in Jesus/Buddha/Mohammed? I will pray for you." VS. You believe in Jesus/Buddha/Mohammed. I feel sorry for you." Pot. Kettle. Yadda yadda yadda. Is some arrogant talkbacker who takes the side of athiesm/religion the judge of who's/what's right? Its an endless cycle folks. Fact is none of us will never know and can never defintely say. But keep on believing you're right and you're superior, it makes for entertaining talkbacks.
Just call an ep "Chef Mute"... by Diskatopia	Mar 14th, 2006 03:07:41 PM
...and have Chef write down that he will not speak again until (US troops all back from Iraq, or {insert celeb here} admits he put tape of a Chef sexromp on the internet, or, perhaps more fittingly, until I.Hayes gets free from the UFO religion). Then, when he changes his mind and speaks, he just "forgets" how he used to speak and goes through a succession of "voices" (celebrity guest cavalcade) until he finds one he likes. It's a B-story that writes itself (e.g., say one Chef test voice sounds just like Cartman-- a voice which everyone, including Mr. Garrison, proclaims sounds "too gay").
I Thought... by BitchNig	Mar 14th, 2006 03:32:09 PM
Issac Hayes was dead?
Don't cry for Beck, Argentina... by Pops Freshemeyer	Mar 14th, 2006 04:09:42 PM
Er, Walterego. Sure the guy was raised in the "church," but he left it and then returned all on his own...
Issac Hayes... by jpowell180	Mar 14th, 2006 04:43:48 PM
It is Bullcrap that this man quit for the "cause" of frakking "Scientoloty"....... EVERYONE with any intellect KNOWS it is a con-artist CULT to fleece the bucks from anyone who will fall for this pulp-sci-fi-crap!!! Hayes shows NO INTEGRITY in quitting for FRAKKING SCIENTOLOGY when he would stick around while Judaism and Christianity was insulted!!! I will admit, I will miss Hayes' work as Chef, but I won't stop watching just because this COWARD quits. And if anyone starts whining about having "respect for his religeion", let's keep in mind that his "belieft system" came from a mediocre sci-fi pulp writer who declared that the best way to make money would be to star your own religeion!!!
This is just sad by quadrupletree	Mar 14th, 2006 04:46:54 PM
hypocrite or no, I love Chef and I love the show. Why can't he see that they're right, the moment they start pulling punches the show compromises it's premise. We all have to laugh at ourselves and see the humor in this stuff, even if it's aimed at us.
Isaac Hayes sucks... by DocPazuzu	Mar 14th, 2006 05:23:30 PM
...the chocolate salty balls of Xenu. I can't believe this guy once played Truck fucking Turner.
Ever Heard of Excommunication? by Darkfyre	Mar 14th, 2006 05:38:29 PM
That's what 'real' religions do to members who no longer believe the lies. Once excommunicated, former members are shunned by all friends and family members who continue to belong to the church. My best friend's father had it happen to him when he married a Catholic and converted (from Mormon). Muslims are instructed to not do business or associate with infidels. Every religion = cult. There's no difference.
Lando... by ErrantNight	Mar 14th, 2006 05:51:49 PM
You said: "Keep condescending/believing you are smarter and more enlightened than those you believe you speak out against. Hypocrites." Now, I'll preface this by saying that I'm friends with too many people for whom religion is a positive influence for me to ever get on my high horse about how, well, nonsensical religion is. Any of them. But whatever. How does anyone knocking religion by saying you're a sheep for believing hooey make one a hypocrite? Regardless of whether or not you agree with their assessment? And just to fan the flames: it IS a bunch of trumped up B.S.... why else would religious leaders need to modify the tenants every few years? And, for the record, I think religion does more good than harm, even given the incredible harm it causes. People, in general, can't handle the idea of a life without larger meaning. Hence... we will always have religion.
Rock on Darkfyre. by ErrantNight	Mar 14th, 2006 05:53:55 PM
But I will say this... there is a difference between cults and religions. Religions are cults that have popular approval. And, as some have noted, this by default means they must have been around for long enough to become popular. Therefore, they have a history.
good riddance. by fatsackowind	Mar 14th, 2006 06:02:36 PM
intolerant hypocrite.
By the way, I'm NOT an Atheist by Darkfyre	Mar 14th, 2006 06:07:05 PM
Just like religious people, atheists have made a decision based on an absence of evidence. I don't agree with any religion, so I made up my own. But at least I admit I made it up and acknowledge there's not a shred of proof to back any of it up. And most importantly, I don't try to force my beliefs on anyone else (although I might challenge theirs).
Darkfyre by moondoggy2u	Mar 14th, 2006 06:56:11 PM
I think most people define cults as a religious or non-religious group that manipulates its members through direct deception, intimidation, and brainwashing. the operative word is DIRECTLY. You could argue that a religion, or any group for that matter, does the same thing. However, a religion does not DIRECTLY brainwash its members. It may or may not feed disinformation and/or intimidation. However, as a rule of thumb, most faiths do not do this. Direct brainwashing is a whooole different concept (long term isolation, torture tactics, manipulation). Scientology has been known to use those tactics whenever dealing with those they deem mentally defective. They put them in isolation cells, deny them medical care, and have allegedly manipulated members via confessional records. I'm not saying religions havent at some time or another possessed cult-like tendencies or have had cults within their ranks. However, that is not their general modus operandi. With cults, that is their entire founding principle. Seems a fine line, I know, but its there nonetheless.
brainwashing continued. by moondoggy2u	Mar 14th, 2006 06:58:23 PM
I am talking about military tactics brainwashing, not the everyday brainwashing jargon, just so you know.
New Age Chef by MrHotMonkeyLove	Mar 14th, 2006 08:39:04 PM
I think they should do a "Tonight the part of Chef will be played by..." and then have a different person be Chef each week. William Hung anyone?
The Chef Season Finale! by booker7676	Mar 14th, 2006 08:58:55 PM
I hope Matt and Trey roast this guy in whatever way they can. I mean some outrageous episode that would just live in infamy. Isaac, that's straight up bush-league. Old-schoolers like you should know better.
by Meremoth	Mar 14th, 2006 09:24:13 PM
"no amount of evidence or reasoning will ever sway their silly beliefs." I have yet to see any valid evidence disuading relegion as a whole. Science, which is important, cannot prove or diprove relegion. And don't spew evolution at me, it takes more faith to believe a sea squirt evolved into some other kind of animal than it does for me to just say some supreme being made it. So as far as reasoning, every major culture has a religion so reasonably I guess most of the people who have walke the Earth where irreasonable and ythe slect few who don't are some how more enlightned. Well salt my balls. I bid you good day sir.
Strange... by Red Ned Lynch	Mar 14th, 2006 09:43:34 PM
...I read through the whole talkback and not one person mentioned that Hayes quit the show on the birth date of L Ron Hubbard. Yep, it was yesterday. You missed it. We had a great party. Had another one today for Albert Einstein. Yeah, desk calendars are wonderful things.
That is strange by Meremoth	Mar 14th, 2006 10:32:18 PM
And after that giant party I had with Xenu you'd have thought I'd remebered.
alternatives to Chef? by DarthStallion	Mar 14th, 2006 10:45:01 PM
How tough would it be to find an out-of-work star from the 70s or 80s they could get for cheap to be Chef's brother/cousin/assorted relative? What's Billy Dee Williams doing? Maybe Gary Coleman? ("What'chu talkin' bout, Cartman?")
Errant by Lando Griffin	Mar 14th, 2006 10:56:16 PM
Perhaps I came off like I was arguing for or against one side, which I am not. None of us have the answers. I was just pointing out that there is condescension, arrogance and hypocrisy on both sides. I've encountered just as many self righteous religious folk as I have self righteous athiests. Each have their own beliefs but similar ways of practicing. I'm not saying they're all like that but each side have their extremes.
Hey, moondoggy2u... by Darkfyre	Mar 14th, 2006 11:04:17 PM
Intense cult-like brainwashing isn't necessary for 'mainstream' religions because the members indoctrinate their own children. From infancy, their children are presented with fantasy as if it were fact, and as a result their brains become 'hard-wired' to embrace emotion over logic. Isn't it interesting that most people who join the wackiest cults were themselves usually raised in deeply (mainstream) religious households?
Jim Emerson's great retort: by Lenny Nero	Mar 14th, 2006 11:10:05 PM
He of Roger Ebert's editing: http://tinyurl.com/oyaps
Darkfyre by moondoggy2u	Mar 14th, 2006 11:14:13 PM
Hey, I agree that instituions raise children to follow their viewpoints. Guess what? All parents do this. However, I remain somewhat skeptical between your correlation of education, no matter how faulty, with military interogation techniques. It seems to be a rather dubious argument.
A lot of Mormons are not exactly "mainstream" Darkfyre, by Walterego	Mar 14th, 2006 11:15:43 PM
they vary greatly depending on whether they live in SLC and the surrounding area. I would bet that your friend's father who was excommunicated was from there. Excommunications are incredibly rare in mainstream religions, in fact the frequency of excommunications is an excellent yardstick for defining what makes a religion mainstream and what makes it more cult-like. In scientology excommunication is not only policy, it is followed up with harrassment and legal threats.
PROOF Religions are Bogus! by Darkfyre	Mar 14th, 2006 11:20:34 PM
Mormon founder John Smith claimed the golden tablets that provided the basis of the book of mormon were brought to North America by the American Indians, who he claimed where descendants of the lost tribe of Israel. But recent DNA testing has proven that Native American's have no genetic connection to the ancient people of Israel, or anyone from the Middle East. The core foundation of the Mormon religion has been revealed to be a fraud, yet there are just as many Mormons now as there were before this discover. And what about that sacred shroud of Turin? Even though carbon dating has proven it was made in the middle ages, zealots continue to insist it's genuine. The bible (and every other religious book) is filled with claims that we're discovering with each passing year are impossible. I wish one of them were true, and that I could believe one of them. But reason and common sense keep getting in the way.
Brainwashing vs. Parental Indoctrination by Darkfyre	Mar 14th, 2006 11:31:59 PM
The biggest difference between brainwashing and parental indoctrination is that brainwashed people can be deprogrammed. Imagine if you told a child that apples were blue, and reinforced that belief throughout their entire life. Once they went out into the real world and learned otherwise, they'd either have to accept the fact that they were lied to their entire life by the people closest to them, or somehow convince themselves that everyone else is wrong and that apples were indeed blue. That's exactly how the mainstream religions continue to exist after all this time.
lol@ parental indoctrination by moondoggy2u	Mar 14th, 2006 11:35:48 PM
That has to be one of the silliest attempts at demonizing what is commonly reffered to as teaching. oh well, I tried.
Oh no!! by moondoggy2u	Mar 14th, 2006 11:37:57 PM
I just realized that in my early of teaching, i was in reality brainwashing my elementary students! I was indoctrinating them with the alphabet! Quick, someone--notify the authorities immediately!
apparently, I wasnt indoctrinating sentence structure by moondoggy2u	Mar 14th, 2006 11:39:32 PM
I meant to say, "I just realized that in my early DAYS of teaching..." Its been a long day;)
Too bad Donald Pleasence isn't still alive by INWOsuxRED	Mar 14th, 2006 11:42:47 PM
He would have been the best choice to replace Hayes. "YOU ARE THE CHEF OF SOUTH PARK, YOU ARE A NUMBER ONE!"
I wonder if Cruise tried to recruit Kubrick... by SK909	Mar 14th, 2006 11:51:13 PM
I heard a rumor, or maybe it's been substantiated, I don't know, that he tried to get Jamie Foxx on the set of Collateral. But the ultimate would be Kubrick. If he did, I bet he fucking giggled quietly to himself, gave Cruise his famous 'looking at you like your an ant cause you are' stare, and then just walked away. But with this cult, what the fuck is the deal with anyone that would spend thousands of dollars on auditing? The fact that they call it auditing says it all. Apparently their followers are as afraid of the church as the average american citizen is of the IRS. Seriously, what do they think of the HUNDREDS OF YEARS of the very purpose and idea of religion, death, and what a moral ought consists of, not to mention being human itself being dissected by the likes of Joseph Campbell, Jung, Freud, Nietzsche, Schoepenhaur(sp?), Descartes, Kant, etc... not to mention authors and poets like, oh, I don't know, Emily Dickinson, Flaubert, Dante, Miller, Shakespeare, FUCKING WALT WHITMAN? ORWELL, ANYONE?... are they the most illiterate people in the world? Wouldn't you look to those sources before you look to a bunch of fucking whack jobs who set up a seedy office in your city run by a bunch of automatons? I mean I went through a divorce and a ton of other horrible shit in the same year, and the first thing I did was look for the root of commong experience, and I sure as hell wasn't going to look to Scientology. I can see how someone in that situation might, though, and if someone is promising you an elixir and your in total despair... it really makes it all the more horrible that these pieces of shit would take advantage of that. I don't know though, if you're looking for something to help yourself or to realize your potential, who the hell goes to the seedy offices set up and run by these automatons? Ever seen the one in Orlando? These cultists are seriously as crazy as a clockwork orange.
Another silly religion by INWOsuxRED	Mar 14th, 2006 11:52:01 PM
There is this one religion that believes that there was once this massive little ball floating around in space. Then it blew up and swirled around until it created people out of monkeys. Nobody was around back then, so it can't be proven, but lots of people put their faith into it. The floating ball just being there for no particular reason also makes no sense, but you just have to have faith that that is how it happened. Oh wait, that's not a religion, its science. WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE ABOUT THE ORIGINS AND MEANING OF LIFE IS IMPROBABLE, UNPROVABLE, AND STUPID! EVEN IF IT IS TRUE!
Agreed, SK909. by moondoggy2u	Mar 14th, 2006 11:57:26 PM
I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but the French were right. They outlawed Scientology on the grounds that it was a criminal institution. Not saying that sort of thing would work here in the states, but the French were right.
by VoodooV	Mar 15th, 2006 12:20:13 AM
saying that there is no god is just as arrogant as saying there is god. both take the stance that they KNOW the nature of existence. Therefore, I am agnostic. I could deal with the idea that we are created beings, I just don't think our 'creator' is so petty and vain that 'it' wants us to worship it and commit atrocities in its name. Again, this is all assuming we are created and that our creator is even around and watching us.
Chef gone = The Triumphant Return of ... MR. DERP!!! by Tall_Boy	Mar 15th, 2006 12:23:15 AM
DAH-DAHHHH!! For those not in the know, when Chef left for an episode in an early, Mr. Derp replaced him. When Mr. Derp is in the kitchen, you never know what'll happen next. DERP!
Where religion comes from... by SK909	Mar 15th, 2006 12:29:23 AM
The thing about all other religions vs. scientology is the age they were created in. They came about more as survival mechanisms for early man than a way for a shitty science fiction writer to make money. The concepts of religion make sense when you look back at what humans were grappling with thousands of years ago, lacking the general knowledge that we take for granted when we make fun of the very idea of having religious beliefs. Beyond this, it's not really difficult to see that the stories were used as ways of explaining the world around you. And if they weren't explaining the world, they were about survival. The sacrament of marriage, for instance, probably had a survival aspect to it, wherein early civilizations or even tribes realized that the very human emotions of jealousy and love made it easier to put two people together and create a symbolic bond that cannot or, at the very least, should not be broken. Not to mention the darwinist aspects of wanting to keep the strongest blood lines alive or even just to keep people from falling into debauchery and murderous rage, rather than focusing on collective survival. Not only that, but it could have been used to strengthen ties between neighboring tribes, villages, or societies by encouraging marriage between the two, creating similar interests. With the Christ story, the metaphor of the cross and the ascension to heaven telling us that we need to go inward and connect with our deepest selves in order to connect with the collective unconscious makes perfect sense. This idea of going inward in order to go upward, spiritually, exists in nearly all religions. As an artist, a writer, or even a scientist will often tell you, the most brilliant moments or ideas or pieces of work attributed to them are things they feel they cannot even take credit for. This is a way of saying that they were just open to 'receiving' whatever God or the collective unconscious or whatever the hell you want to call it wanted to give to them. What I'm trying to say, and hopefully not failing at, is that there is a very human need for religion, and that need was obviously much, much stronger in the thousands of years before science and the enlightenment and humanism entered the picture. HOWEVER... to me, no matter how many ways you analyze scientology, it makes zero fucking sense other than in the way that David Koresh or Jonestown makes sense. True, like I said, the need was stronger for early civilizations to sustain and survive (the ten commandments for instance, are really there to prevent anarchy and guarantee common safety), but in this day and age of uncertainy and date and feeling alone or in despair, we want easy and quick fixes, and scientology just prays on this. None of it seems to be a metaphor for anything, where even an atheist can use the lesson in it, like most religious writings and ideas. Even if you don't believe in eastern religions, we can all agree that meditation is something anyone can take and use without taking the rest of it. But scientology is definitely an all or nothing deal. It seems much more like ideological zealotry akin to those who believed in communism but chose to be blind when it came to the fact that stalin was killing millions of people. Or christians turning a blind eye to the holocaust, not really following what they were claimed to believed in, just following a modern idea to the point of believing that individual lives don't matter. There's aspects of it that seem to be against what it means to be human, to have compassion, and to strive for understanding and empathy. Tom Cruise can say whatever he wants, but his and every other scientologist's response to criticism is usually marked by the seething anger that marks a blind follower. Do we really need MORE of that in this day and age?
Check it out by harrys_site_sucks	Mar 15th, 2006 12:38:37 AM
Watch The Scientology Episode "South Park" Creators Say Hayes Is Quitting Over... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 2006/03/14/watch-the-scientolo gy-epi_n_17269.html
Ignorance... by Mavrikfire	Mar 15th, 2006 01:44:33 AM
People who claim that all religion is ignorent are just as ignorent as the conservative fundamentalists that condemn others for being different and not holding their beliefs... That's what I hate about talkbacks, most people are hypocrites. Please, say what you want, but try to put out a thoughtful comment rather than saying "religion SUXXORS anyway, so does Jesus and Mohammad! CUT CHEF'S HEAD OFF IN THE SHOW!!" Isaac Hayes, while I don't fully believe that his quitting was voluntary (that damn church needs to stop thinking they are free from freedom of speech), his work on that show should stand for what it is, and not be shat on. Let the man be, and stop attacking him. Man, South Park doesn't promote intolerance and bigotry, but the people in talkbacks sure welcome it
Freedom is letting it go. by Diskatopia	Mar 15th, 2006 02:26:41 AM
Truly, when Mankind can and does finally let go of our ancient murderously savage racist self-empowerment worship-myths and our pseudo-selfhelp psychotico babbligions (whether modern madness or olde misty mysticism), we might finally achieve something universal.......... The stars are waiting.
"The stars are waiting." by Mutant X	Mar 15th, 2006 02:47:46 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! "The motherfucking stars are waiting". Dude, the stars aren't waiting for shit, and mankind's going to die out a long time before we UNITE AS ONE AND RELEASE THE CHAINS WHICH BOUND US TO THIS EARTH, TAKING TO THE STARS AND BECOMING THE PEOPLES OF THE UNIVERSE! Oh, man, dude, are you fucking high? "The stars are waiting". HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
we might finally achieve something universal.......... by PurityOfEssence	Mar 15th, 2006 03:18:58 AM
Wow, isn't that a romantic vision of the future - spare us all of your humanistic optimism. Besides the future lies BENEATH THE SEA!!!
Yes ... but could you imagine The Simpsons going after by Shan	Mar 15th, 2006 03:19:55 AM
... the voice of Bart Simpson, who I also believe is a scientologist. They did do a cult episode once but it was a generic cult stereotype with no obvious attachment to scientology visible.
You can spot fundamentalists by emeraldboy	Mar 15th, 2006 04:06:36 AM
these are the people who have lost the ability to laugh at themselves. Life of Brian has been Banned in Ireland for thirty years. I rest my case.
Issac Hayes Is A Scientologist? by caseylane	Mar 15th, 2006 06:57:43 AM
I didn't know he was gay.
My argument for why Scientology is a cult by Big Jim	Mar 15th, 2006 08:58:49 AM
and not a religion. Religions are open on what they are about. Walk into any bookstore and you can buy a copy of the Bible or the Koran, etc. Yes, you can find books on Scientology but is there a Scientology "bible" put out by the Scientologists? Something that says "this is everything we believe"? No, that information is reserved for those "believers" willing to pay the big bucks. Religions are open about their dogma; cults are not.
publicity stunt!!!! by samuraiyao	Mar 15th, 2006 09:19:13 AM
After all these years he was on the show, and all the topics they have mad fun off, didnt he think for one second that his religion and belief would get picked on next??? Come one ISAAC be true too yourself and stop listening to all the other celebrities that have been made fun off on that show.
Cinemastrology by Squashua	Mar 15th, 2006 09:53:24 AM
It's because both Issac and Chef is a / becomes a Cinemastrologist and they make fun of it: http://www.flickfilosopher.com /blog/2006/03/isaac_hayes_cine mastrologist_n.html
Pre-emptive parody strike. by SpikeTBB	Mar 15th, 2006 11:01:16 AM
In the episode about the Gingers, they made fun of this very sort of behavior. In that episode Cartman did a much more extreme version of what Hayes is doing, but no lava pit involved so far. I think the universal theme of all their religion parodies is this: if your dogma justifies abusing or exploiting others it
The new voice of Chef by MasterShake	Mar 15th, 2006 11:14:04 AM
..should be some washed up white guy pop singer. What are Michael Bolton or Jon Bon Jovi doing next season? Clay Aiken would be perfect though.
Fuck Scientology. by Novaman5000	Mar 15th, 2006 11:28:32 AM
Fuck it right in it's ear.
I just got off the phone with God... by Childe Roland	Mar 15th, 2006 11:55:08 AM
...and He said: "Hey, so long as you're not hurting anyone, believe whatever the happy fuck you want to believe." He then put Jesus on the line and, speaking on behalf of Himself and Allah, Jesus expressed Their disdain for the use of religion as a motivation for violence or the wish of harm upon others. Buddha couldn't be bothered to comment. Then God got back on the phone and said: "By the way, Isaac Hayes takes himself way too seriously. But that's a common problem with all you talking monkeys that evolved on that backwater planet I crapped out several million years ago. I really should find out why you developed senses of self awareness and opposeable thumbs and fix that glitch."
How to fix the problem. by Blue_Demon	Mar 15th, 2006 12:16:29 PM
( and make fun of it ) Simply have every episode with Chef in it start with a voice-over stating, "The Part of Chef is now being played by Andy Dick...who is Methodist." like they do for soap operas. I have no idea what Dick's faith is and er...I don't watch soap operas.
Now listen up children.... by screamster	Mar 15th, 2006 02:25:04 PM
I predict they are going to make Chef a mute. He is probably going to lose his voice somehow. As for Hayes... You can take that scientology shit and shove it in your nether region. Thanks for ruining a great thing for us fans. I will never listen to your music again.
Time to bring in "Chef, Jr." as voiced by Bernie Mac by SpyGuy	Mar 15th, 2006 03:37:34 PM
You gotta admit, that would rule.
TOm Cruise Gay? by crcs1984	Mar 15th, 2006 04:25:08 PM
Yes. It is a documented fact of nature that Maverick loves the man-juice. But is loving man-meat against his "religion"?
na na na na na na na na LEADER!!!! by StudioPlant69	Mar 15th, 2006 05:19:24 PM
Don't make me go brokeback on you! GFY
Could this be fake? by BenjaminGrimm	Mar 15th, 2006 06:07:47 PM
The timing's a little suspicious - it'll bring South Park a lot of publicity right before the new season starts. If Hayes really felt that strongly about it, why didn't he quit maonths ago right after the episode aired? I'm not saying I think that it is fake, I just think it's a possibility.
Timing also works in favor of the Letterman appearance by chickychow	Mar 15th, 2006 07:15:10 PM
I mean, i doubt they were just booked. How fortunate for them to have this subject to rail about.
weak by ILK	Mar 15th, 2006 08:18:53 PM
weak.. Where was he when the mother mary was bleeding out her ass? Or was that jesus? Whichever.
"Trapped in the Closet" MIA by foolacres	Mar 15th, 2006 09:21:56 PM
I missed "Trapped in the Closet" the first time it aired, and was really excited to watch it tonight. Mysteriously, it has been replaced by another episode. According to comedy central, the episode is now called R.Kelly, and To further my terror, I went to Southparkstudios.com and it too is no where to be found. Brothers and Sisters, has Xenu won?
I had a friend who became a scientolgist. by icecreamcake	Mar 15th, 2006 10:11:05 PM
It was like that movie Disturbing behavior, he came back totally different...like brainwashed.One night i caught him outside flying a kite, crying, isnt that a little weird? He said he now he understood the pain of the ansestors. Im not even joking.
so what's the deal tonight? by reinhold	Mar 15th, 2006 11:09:56 PM
I saw a preview for the Scientology episode on Comedy Central earlier this week. Even my DVR says that it should have recorded "Trapped in the Closet". But it didn't air tonight! I guess Comedy Central chickened out on re-airing it?
I just saw him in a Lays potato chip ad. by Nadine_Cross	Mar 16th, 2006 02:51:54 AM
So, Lays accepts the fact that our ancestors are giant space clams?
in that interview isaac didnt seem to mind by misnomer	Mar 16th, 2006 08:17:24 AM
that matt and trey were ripping scientology; I think hes been pressured by other members of this freaky cult.
The Scientology episode... by kadath	Mar 16th, 2006 09:09:47 AM
...can be downloaded for free from xenu.net. It's legal and everything. AVI: http://www.xenu.net/archive/me dia/Vault/South.Park.S09E12.DS R.XviD-XOR.avi RealVideo: http://www.xenu.net/archive/me dia/Vault/SPEpisode912_-_Trapp ed_in_the_Closet_-_irc.tveps.n et.rm
Crying and Flying a Kite... by chickychow	Mar 16th, 2006 02:19:02 PM
thats fuckin funny man. I guess that's what scientologists do when they're feeling down (what with the ghosts of aliens possessing us or whatever the fuck it is they believe)
Evangelicals say that they can by emeraldboy	Mar 16th, 2006 02:30:04 PM
"Cure" Gay people. By converting them to Fundementalist christanity. Same thing is hapeening in the UK.
Flying a kite at night by Big Jim	Mar 16th, 2006 03:44:11 PM
Bart did that once on The Simpsons. It was to show how creepy Bart was acting during a teacher's strike. Wonder if he was becoming a scientologist
I heard that Cruise threatened to not... by mrfan	Mar 16th, 2006 06:00:04 PM
promote MI:3 if Comedy Central aired this episode. You know the Viacom/Paramount connection. Too bad. I was looking forward to it.
Fuck Scientologists by Jesus_and_Tori	Mar 16th, 2006 06:03:10 PM
i really dont have problems with religion but scientology is not a religion. Its a bunch of fucking crazy assholes who are waiting for the aliens to bring them back home and shit. fuck em. i am so tired of all this scientology bullshit. When are they gonna poison their kool aid and die so they can stop being annoying assholes. I'm the Juggernaut Bitch!!
Moondoogy2u: by Jack Parsons	Mar 16th, 2006 06:11:26 PM
"I just realized that in my early of teaching, i was in reality brainwashing my elementary students! I was indoctrinating them with the alphabet! Quick, someone--notify the authorities immediately!" Did you teach the kids that the alphabet symbolized 13 angels and 13 demons that watched them every day of their lives, and would burn their flesh to the bone for ever and ever, if they didn't do what the alphabet told them? In other words, did you lie to them? You didn't? It wasn't brainwashing.
A word about Scientology from YT by Jack Parsons	Mar 16th, 2006 06:18:01 PM
Scientology isn't bad because it is wrong, or made up, or is stupid, or any of those easy to smack on labels. It's evil because of what it does. In 1995, Lisa McPherson, a member, was taken into Scientology custody from a hospital under weird circumstances. They tied her to a bed, injected her with horse needles of niacin, and watched her die from a blood clot, per L. Ron's medical kit. That wasn't the bad part. The bad part was destroying the medical examiner who found the woman dead of abuse. They annihlated her career, her personal life, even tho she simply told the truth. The suborned the courts and trashed the family who sued for wrongful death. The destroyed the lawyer who dared to face the dozens of superpriced counselors they hired. They infiltrated and destroyed the non-profit which publicized their misdeeds in the vilest possible fashion. Multiply this by ten thousand, and you have a small idea of what those bastards have done to people around the world.
And something fun, for once by Jack Parsons	Mar 16th, 2006 06:20:30 PM
Google "Jack Parsons", "JPL", and "Hubbard" if you want to see

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