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Epiphanies!! GALACTICA 2.13!!

Invisotext Rules!!! by OhioBobcat	Jan 20th, 2006 01:06:07 AM
Oh, and my first FIRST!!!
Well that season sounds damn intresting by Mr Cairo	Jan 20th, 2006 01:07:24 AM
but starbuck losing the top pilot spot may be a good one to watch ...
Hmmmm... Methinks I will continue watching. This season smells l by LargoJr	Jan 20th, 2006 01:22:36 AM
Lets just hope they don't fuck it up with over-developed back story on too many characters. I don't need to know what drove ALL the people to be who they are in the series, but occasional reveals are nice. And 'Boomer' can share my bunk any time.
President Roslin is saved by... by UncleSam	Jan 20th, 2006 03:03:30 AM
Either Boomer offers some Cyclon technique or they grab cyclon stem cells from the hybrid baby thus saving it from being destroyed.
A human dude and a Cylon chick get together and make a baby, and by scrumdiddly	Jan 20th, 2006 03:55:28 AM
Just like in V! Oh wait...
1am to 4am? by challabuck	Jan 20th, 2006 07:54:04 AM
Get some sleep. posters! I just hope y'all are typing in some Hanoi internet cafes, 'cause who in their right minds would be trollin' AICN from 1 to 4 am? As for the show, it's defintely getting better. The first v 2 episodes were a step back from last season, but Ron has stepped it up big time since the Peg made its appearance (actually since the Blackbird episode). Speaking of which, why'd they have to torch it so quickly? That was one badass viper I was was looking forward to seeing again.
Starbuck and Tigh by Pseudo	Jan 20th, 2006 08:50:41 AM
It should be interesting to see how Tigh deals with Starbuck leaning on the same crutch she's berated him for using. Perhaps they'll hash out their problems over a few drinks? LOL. Even though I'm a bit disappointed with them taking the safe route last week (Pegasus Six kills Admiral Kane), I still think this show has some of the best, most compelling writing for any hour-long show on television. ??Pseudo?? out.
How about an OFFICE talkback? by Elmore Rigby	Jan 20th, 2006 09:20:03 AM
It is the most popular show on TV among this site's demographic (see the stats on # of episode downloads from the Itunes music store). It is also by far the funniest show on TV right now, so let's talk about it!
This series really is setting a new standard by Oberon	Jan 20th, 2006 09:25:28 AM
I just HATED the idea of this re-make when it was announced, especially after Olmos's comments ("Don't watch."). But I have reached the conclusion, very reluctantly, that this is not merely intelligent sci-fi at its very finest, it's simply great drama, period - as good as anything on TV right now. With this last three-parter regarding the Pegasus, it's done the impossible - gotten even better. Everything it has "re-imagined" from the classic series has been done (and I never thought I would say this) far more interestingly, and this is certainly true of the Pegasus, which defies the typical series "reset button" by sticking around and actually driven the narrative arc forward through the rest of the season. Hats off to Ron Moore: I didn't want to love you, but you made me.
Damn tempting invisotext! Also, the rest of the season sounds ba by Big Bad Clone	Jan 20th, 2006 09:34:25 AM
The season finale sounds fucking dynamite.
My God(s) by OGREISHERE	Jan 20th, 2006 10:50:50 AM
This show is the best thing on TV and from the frakking invsotext it only appears to get better.
Spoiler by Gudlyf	Jan 20th, 2006 11:25:14 AM
Ballot spoiler for sometime this season: http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/01 /18/spoilers-anonymous/
Office Talkback - Second by Itchy	Jan 20th, 2006 11:29:56 AM
Why not ? An Earl / Office talkback ? We can all talk about how hot Pam is. And she is. Very much.
GODDAMMIT! by Mr Nice Gaius	Jan 20th, 2006 11:35:17 AM
:::Holding hands over eyes & ears::: I'm not listening; I'm waiting for the episode...not gonna read a word of this. No sir.
SWEET!!!!!!! by Kai_Mah'gra	Jan 20th, 2006 11:42:39 AM
......can't wait!!! oh, and I second an Office Talkback!!! I never thought anyone would ever be able to replace or fit into the role that Gervais had made his own, but Steve Carrell is just priceless. NBC should thank their lucky stars, that they were able to stumble onto this concept at the same time Earl came about.
Hmmmmm... spoilerific thoughts by zer0cool2k2	Jan 20th, 2006 11:52:20 AM
A better pilot than Starbuck? don't like the sound of that. Drunken Starbuck attempts a rescue with tragic results ............ Hmmmmmm, could this be the end for Ellen Tigh? ....................... Starbuck has a run in with the (second) new commander of the Pegasus ............... Hmmmmmmm, could that be "Commander" Tigh, pissed at Kara for getting his wife killed? Personally, I hope I'm wrong. I like Tigh where he is, and I think it'd have a bigger impact if someone like Dee were to die in the rescue attempt. (Although I hope she stays around). I'm in agreement that it'll be Cylon/Human hybrid stem cells that send Roslin into remission. And I also wish the Blackbird would have been around longer. ...................... Worst part of this talkback - "As the season winds to a close". NOOOOOOOOOO, I don't want it to end. so does this split season format mean the wait for season 3 will be shorter?
didn't want to like it but I do by Hugh Jass	Jan 20th, 2006 11:59:55 AM
When I heard they were remaking Battlestar Galactica, I though: "why another goddamn remake! Doesn't anyone have an original thought anymore?" But this show is really good. I've starting watching regularly. When I compare it to the ass sucking crapfest that Star Trek became during the Voyager and Enterprise era, the show stands out all that much more. They avoid the reset button every week. There are surprises. Things change. The characters grow. What a novel concept for TV.
Show keeps on growing. by mrfan	Jan 20th, 2006 02:25:06 PM
It really is a great show. Honestly, I am one of those that would not have thought it would get past the mini-series. Glad I was wrong. Each episode just keeps me guessing and hoping for more. The cast has jelled together and the writing continues to shine. I just hope that they don't bite off more than they can chew and keep so many plots going at once. Hate to see that. Hats off to everyone involved. And thanks.
the love.... by challabuck	Jan 20th, 2006 02:50:14 PM
It's...so strong. Don't get me wrong, the show's great. But this is AICN -- don't we get points for crapping and flaming in talkbacks? One thing I wish the show would do better is humor. Note to Ron: not saying you should write a Casino Planet episode, but some good laughs would add layers to the onion.
Best show on TV by zer0cool2k2	Jan 20th, 2006 03:11:43 PM
If this show had three things going for it: 1. It was on one of the big 4 broadcast networks. 2. It wasn't set in Space. 3. Kara Thrace looked like Evangeline Lilly ............. It would be being universally hailed by everyone, and be the "watercooler show" on monday mornings. ....................... Now, don't get me wrong, I'm glad it's not on a network where it would would be screwed with by every exec with a retarded gimmick episode idea looking to make a name for himself. It wouldn't be BSG without the space element. Just because some people can't see past the sci-fi tag, that shouldn't be a problem. And personally, I found Starbuck quite cute, and she's a soldier, not a fashion model. Just sayin', this show is far better than LOSt this season, and Desperate Housewives should not even be mentioned in the same breath (Mainly, because Battlestar Galactica and Desperate Housewives is a lot of syllables for one breath). 24 might be close, and we'll havce to see how the next season of Deadwood plays out, but for now, Galactica reigns!
stopped watching :( by mocky_puppet	Jan 20th, 2006 03:46:02 PM
i liked the mini-series and was into the first season, but i read that article where the creator kind of alluded to where he was getting some of his ideas--namely, george lucas' early scriptments for "journal of the whills." i was like, huh-what? so i got a copy--it's almost a direct lift in many places. kind of ironic. anyway, it's a fine show; i'm just disappointed a little i guess.
Yes, well, they also basically stole so much from Ellison that H by FluffyUnbound	Jan 20th, 2006 03:58:50 PM
Poor Harlan, he's everybody's bitch. At least people actually buy the rights to Dick's stuff [so his estate makes out] instead of just outright stealing like they do with Harlan. Oh well.
I always have to say this: by Russman	Jan 20th, 2006 05:03:57 PM
I LOVE THIS FRACKING SHOW!!!!!!!
Harlan had RM as a guest @ Enigmacon on a panel by SkiffyPup	Jan 20th, 2006 06:46:37 PM
and he strongly praised RM's work. And, since Harlan is well known for going frakass on anyone using his work without obtaining rights ... I doubt Harlan thinks his material was lifted.
Galactica RULES! How dare you advertise Star Bleck dvd's on by Doom II	Jan 20th, 2006 07:08:19 PM
I wonder how many fans of Trek crossed over to Galactica. I never liked the 80's and 90's Trek shows at all. They were campy and just looked cheap. The original was campy and looked cheap, but it was the 60's so it was cool. Farscape and Galactica 2005 are 2 of the best sci fi shows ever produced (in my worthless opinion)
why's lee being such a p*ssy by dr_pepper	Jan 20th, 2006 07:11:54 PM
at the end of ep 212 - I mean the guys been in life or death situations before - I say he's either realized he's a cylon (i mean his O2 tank was right on red when he discovered it - how long was he out there) or he saw one of Galactica crew's bodies on the resurrection ship (i'm guessing the comm officer but forget her name). On another note - the hole helo/boomer and the reason they created a child is because they fell in love thing. I don't buy it. If loves the key - why not just take two cylons, give them a history, let them think they are humans, and set up the environment for them to find love. voila - child. why do they think it's a human/cylon/love thing is what allows them to re-produce.
OH. MY. FRAKKING. GOD. by Strabo	Jan 20th, 2006 09:57:23 PM
He gave her the NUKE?!
I'm beginning to think the Cylons are right by chrth	Jan 20th, 2006 10:02:01 PM
These people do deserve to be wiped out. There are less than 50000 of you left, and you're starting peace movements? You get a letter pointing out TRUE FLAWS in your character and you give a cylon a nuke? I won't even get into Zarek's character ... I hope when they get to Earth, they're blown out of the sky by a basestar.
That was my least favorite episode. by FluffyUnbound	Jan 20th, 2006 10:02:41 PM
I am enough of an advocate of BSG TNS that I am accused in some quarters of being a Sci Fi stealth marketer. But I have to say that this episode was not exactly my favorite. This was the "Spock's Brain" of BSG.
FluffyUnbound, I think I agree with you by chrth	Jan 20th, 2006 10:04:53 PM
There were enough resets and close calls to make Brannon and Braga blush.
Fluffy by Strabo	Jan 20th, 2006 10:05:16 PM
That's a bit harsh, Fluffy. I thought it was a pretty decent character episode, especially for Baltar.
Strongest Episode by NudeandAroused	Jan 20th, 2006 10:07:11 PM
Acting, Characters, and writing. These three ingredients make this particular epsiode the strongest one yet. Note how Adama has only to utter a sentence and the impact takes all the wind out of an angry soldier. also note the anger one feels when they come in to get Sharon. The blodd thirstiness of Tigh when Adama starts to strangle the peace advocate/appaeaser. lastly, you feel the deseration of Roslin whens he is dying and the dread when Balter gives the Nuke. This episode was probably the bestc harcter driven episode thus far. While it sure doesn't have the T+A or the violence of the past, it is all the more compelling. a great episode this evening. Bravo to Ronald Moore and the cast.
Battlestar is dead to me. lol by Gorrister	Jan 20th, 2006 10:08:37 PM
I made a vow back in December of 2003 when I first saw the Battlestar Galactica miniseries and learned it was going to be a regular series on SciFi. That promise was this: If Ron Moore pulls some fucking 'StarTrek-like miracle cure out of his ass' for Rosylin, I'm done with the show. One thing I admired from the beginning was the introduction of a character who was dying. It was great that they were commited to killing off a major character within "a few months" show-time. Well, looks like Moore had his balls cut off because he chickened out on that one. lol. This is my stop...the fleet will sail the rest of the way without me.
Gorrister, I feel your pain. by FluffyUnbound	Jan 20th, 2006 10:16:29 PM
Although I won't abandon the show over it, I found the resolution of Roslin's cancer highly unsatisfying. If they have her remain an invalid for a while, maybe I'll get over it, because at least then it wouldn't seem so EASY. It's all a little too consequence-free right now.
Honest to Christ, the people who piss and moan about this series by Richard Cranium	Jan 20th, 2006 10:16:34 PM
Will never be satisfied by anything on TV. At first, I could've done without the miracle cure, but this raises even more possibilities. Will the President Roslin be comprimised somehow by the cylon blood? Is this part of their plan? The reveal of the nuke at the end was a complete 'holy shit' moment. I've never in my life gotten jacked up about a tv show, but I literally get pumped when a new BSG is about to start. My name is Richard, and I am a BSG fanboy.
Gotta' agree....sort of by zer0cool2k2	Jan 20th, 2006 10:20:32 PM
DEfinitely the most predictable episode of the series (how many people predicted the cancer cure?). I didn't like Baltar's reaction to Roslin's letter. It was almost like "here's my fall into the lava pit where I turn evil" just after declaring that he wasn't the man the Cylon's thought. I was intrigued by Roslin's visions/memories of Gaius and Six, and fleshy-Six's reaction to Baltar's kiss though.
Deus Ex Machina by Gorrister	Jan 20th, 2006 10:21:24 PM
FluffyUnbound, That's exactly why I promised myself I wouldn't watch the show anymore. Until now, I felt Galactica was as close to a "Anyone could die at any time" as it could get without turning into The Sopranos. I don't think I'll ever feel that anymore. I mean, what else is this Miracle Cylon-Baby Blood going to cure in future episodes? Maybe something great will come up in the future and I will be drawn back to the show, but I seriously don't go for Deus Ex Machine storylines.
Richard Cranium: you're wrong by chrth	Jan 20th, 2006 10:37:46 PM
It was called Firefly, and it was perfect.
Firefly was flawless by Gorrister	Jan 20th, 2006 10:42:03 PM
Maybe it's because it ended before it could be run into the ground, but I have absolutely ZERO complaints about Firefly. The writing was incrediably creative, the cast worked well off each other and it never took itself too seriously (while, at the same time, not getting too goofy.)
get a grip by Kegboy	Jan 20th, 2006 10:58:56 PM
I have a hard time seeing why people are so upset about Roslin's "miracle cure" on a show where every single Cylon never dies, but is resurrected into a new body, even though each one of them already has many copies.
FYI: Cylons are not human by Gorrister	Jan 20th, 2006 11:04:19 PM
Cylons are machines. Thus, there is a LOT of room for creativity in how they are handled within the show. Now, if Rosalyn died and 'woke up' in a Resurrection Ship and learned she was a Cylon...now THAT would have been less of a Deus Ex Machina storyline. The 'Baby Blood Miracle Cure' was pulled from so far up Moores anal cavity that it still had huge chunks of shit clinging to it. Moore seems to be, unforunately, falling into his old Star Trek writing style. (Which was great for Star Trek....but just plain wrong for Galactica)
Frack off you fracking Firefly whores! by fiester	Jan 20th, 2006 11:04:50 PM
Go find a Whedon board and suck his cock there, you insufferable whiny little bitches! BSG kicks arse. That is all.
Pseudo-Slang by Gorrister	Jan 20th, 2006 11:13:22 PM
I don't ming pseudo-slang in fiction, but when people start using it in their speech and/or posts, then that's the point where the person needs to take a BIG step back into reality. LOL. When was the last time you heard a Firefly fan use "Gorram" in same way BSG fans use "Frak"? It's time to take off the Vulcan ears, put away your Cylon detector and re-enter the real world. ;)
Gorrister by MrD	Jan 20th, 2006 11:33:21 PM
Someone used "gorram" in last week's BSG feedback. I don't think it means much, and I think this BSG vs Firefly vs SW vs ST vs LOTR vs HP vs WTF shit is absurd, but I felt compelled to point it out nonetheless.
The Pres and Baltar by MrD	Jan 20th, 2006 11:37:57 PM
First, I understand why people bitch about Laura being cured. However, given how little time has passed on the show after two years, they never had any reason at all to kill her off. At this rate, 7 seasons could go by, and we'd still be less than 2 years from the destruction of the colonies. While it may not jibe with the original prognosis, it's not unheard of for cancer patients to go on longer than expected. So the only reason they even pushed her this far this season was to get to this point in the story, which I think starts to open up intersting arguments. What really sells this for me is that they've now revealed to Laura that Baltar was working with Six, and I suspect that I will find this a far more interesting story dynamic.
Or could it be... by Red Ned Lynch	Jan 20th, 2006 11:38:28 PM
...that Gorram, product of the same flawless series that didn't know the difference between ceramics people spin from mud and the ceramic material used on a spaceship, rolls off the tongue as easily as Elmer's Glue while Frak actually sounds like something someone might utter in anger. (It's the hard consonants)
Missed that one then. LOL by Gorrister	Jan 20th, 2006 11:39:11 PM
Well, if someone did use it, then they need to be included in the group I addressed in the above post. ;) And, yes, you are right. Comparing different SciFi and/or Fantasy shows, books, movies, etc is pointless. If you like one better than another, good for you. If you want to debate it, fine. But when you start hurling insults back and forth, then you've just crossed over into the "The Geek Zone".
Ellison by MrD	Jan 20th, 2006 11:39:36 PM
Funny guy, very talented, though he can come across as a dick. However, he's written so much material, how does one avoid duplicating it? Can anyone point me to specific stories and ideas BSG has "lifted" from HE?
Baltar's Reaction by MrD	Jan 20th, 2006 11:44:07 PM
Yep, he's a dick. I found his reaction to Rosalin's letter understandable. He's a raving narcicist(sp?). Upon finding out he's betrayed the human race, his instinct is not to warn anyone, not to mourn his people, but to cover his ass. He sees himself as superior, as special, and I think he truly feels he's been doing a bloody wonderful job as the Veep and Cylon expert. He sees he's never going to be trusted, won't be staying on as VP once the elections come, and had his pride wounded by the truth, so he chooses to side with the only "person" who holds him in as high a regard as he himself does. IT certainly gives him some pretty intersting options down the road.
can't see past the Sci Fi tag by VoodooV	Jan 20th, 2006 11:45:18 PM
you're right about that, some people just can't get past the whole "Oh, its a sci fi show? Nevermind" thing. Went out to lunch with a friend of mine last week and I'm telling her about BSG and how good it is, she could only say, "but it's sci fi" over and over. Jeesus fuck man, I can't stand reality shows, but occasionally I will check one out every so often. Look past your blinders people, might learn something.
This show rocks by Aphex Twin	Jan 21st, 2006 01:10:02 AM
That is all.
Rosyln by ScaredCrab	Jan 21st, 2006 01:29:31 AM
Just because her cancer is cured does'nt mean she won't die before reaching earth like Six promised you blood thirsty bitches.
P.S. by ScaredCrab	Jan 21st, 2006 01:30:06 AM
Battlestar Pwns you all.
sigh (spoilery) by Plum	Jan 21st, 2006 01:33:16 AM
Man, wasn't Starbuck screwed up enough without becoming alcoholic, too? She's attracted to mother figures who resemble her own abusive parent, she's overly impulsive, she can be an emotional cripple- why isn't that enough material to work with?
This show is great but I worry aboutthe cylon hybrid Baby by GornPirate	Jan 21st, 2006 02:17:20 AM
That human/hybrid thing has just be done in so man sci-fi series and films. It usually ends up sucking really bad. I hope they can come up with some original ideas to use for that part of the story line that will be as good as the rest of the series.
Cyclons are Christians! The Colonies are the Roman Empire! by UncleSam	Jan 21st, 2006 02:28:43 AM
The Cylon one and only God is the Christian God. The Cylon humans are Jesus Christ resurrecting all the time. I don't know if Christians will like this analogy.
cylon baby by DrJubal	Jan 21st, 2006 03:29:25 AM
Anyone want to bet that as soon as the baby is born it will MIRACULOUSLY start accelerated growth and will be as big as a ten year old in two episodes? I saw this before, 20 years ago - it was called V.
As to the Christian anaglogy.... by Richard Cranium	Jan 21st, 2006 03:48:05 AM
It has occured to me that the perhaps the cylon baby is an analogy for Jesus...or perhaps Helo and Sharon will be Adam and Eve once they reach Earth. Because while the human survivors are portayed as the protagonists, they leave just enough grey area there with their actions, that perhaps they are destined to be the villians... A side note, I'm hooked on Lost as well, but I'm convinced they have no idea where they're going. With BSG, I really believe that the 'And they have a plan' bit refers not only to the cylons, but to the writers of this show as well. And I'll believe that until they prove otherwise...
Christian/Roman analogy by MrD	Jan 21st, 2006 06:36:00 AM
While there are many similarities, there can't be a simple "A is B" analogy going on, as the Christians didn't hunt down and exterminate the Romans. That is even less apt if you see the Cylons as Hebrews waiting for the birth of "Jesus."
And they have a plan by MrD	Jan 21st, 2006 06:39:15 AM
Hate to break it to you cranium, but I think there's decent evidence that they are making up huge chunks as they go along. If you listen to the commentary podcasts, RM admits that for much of the 1st season they hadn't figured out what the Cylons wanted (a baby), and when Baltar entered the opera house on Kobol, he was not going to find a baby, but God (in the form of Dirk Benedict). Maybe they've worked it all out since, but my guess is they are still making alot of it up as they go along.
The problem with Roslin's miracle cure ... by chrth	Jan 21st, 2006 07:25:35 AM
Is that it happens just as Sharon is about to be wheeled to the unplanned parenthood clinic. There doesn't seem to be a point to line up three significant events (the abortion, the blood, and the cancer) in the same episode except to create a (false) dramatic tension. Why not split it up? Episode A, Roslin orders the abortion, but Baltar stops it because he's reviewed Doc Cottle's results and sees something that may be important. Episode B-E Baltar works on creating a cancer cure using the blood, with setbacks, accusations, and Six prattering in his ear (although this could be seen as a replay of the cylon detector storyline). Episode F Roslin takes a turn for the worst and even though a cure is not ready, Baltar has to make a choice ... this also has the benefit of not having Baltar do 2 180s over the course of 30 minutes.
That being said, it does look like BSG had a good plan for the r by chrth	Jan 21st, 2006 07:29:45 AM
Not sure if I buy what's going to happen to Starbuck, but if it's acted well, it'll probably be forgiven. But at least they're back to doing events across episodes instead of creating tidy little 42 minute packages.
And, of course, the real question from last night by chrth	Jan 21st, 2006 07:32:56 AM
And this goes into the heart of the nature of Baltar's Six: when she had Gaius ask for the nuke, did Baltar Six know that this would happen, that it would go to Pegasus Six? (Let's ignore whether or not the writers pulled it out of their collective asses, it's happened in such a manner--i.e. without straining credibility--where one can postulate about its significance)
One problem with the Gina - Six storyline by FluffyUnbound	Jan 21st, 2006 08:05:49 AM
...is that Moore and Eick have as much as admitted that they felt forced to change the Tricia Heifer role because....Tricia couldn't dye her hair that color any more [her hair was falling out] and the wig they've been using just doesn't look right. So they had to write a way to introduce a recurring character who had Tricia's "normal" hair. A plot element that is born in the hair and makeup truck is going to seem improvised and half-assed. On the bright side, at least the stem cells episode is now OVER. It can't hurt me any more. [Whimper] Now they can get the show on the road.
Gotta hand it to Hugh Jass by Oberon	Jan 21st, 2006 08:55:49 AM
"When I compare it to the ass sucking crapfest that Star Trek became during the Voyager and Enterprise era, the show stands out all that much more. They avoid the reset button every week. There are surprises. Things change. The characters grow. What a novel concept for TV." Ass-sucking crapfast? Well - maybe not THAT bad. Well, not ALL the time. Much of the time. All right, Voyager was pretty much one big sucking sound. But yeah - I hear you. I hear you. This runs rings around most of the Trek catalog.
Peace movements and miracle cures by Oberon	Jan 21st, 2006 09:06:28 AM
1. Having praised BSG to high heaven, I have to agree that Roslin's cure was a bit deus ex machina, a disappointing copout from a stellar writing team - redeemed, admittedly, in part by the depth the development gave to Baltar's character. 2. It's far too easy - and unfair - to gloss the Colonial peace movement as a stand-in for opponents to Iraq, where much less is at stake, but this does show just how ridiculous pacifism can be when taken to its principled extreme. These guys make Neville Chamberlain look sympathetic - and if I were Roslin or Adama, I'd maroon every last damned one of them on a remote planet somewhere, allowing them to make all the peace (surely of the grave or the slave stall) with the Cylons they wish.
dead babies by mikehiggins	Jan 21st, 2006 09:36:39 AM
Now that Roslyn is cured (and who would want to see that character ended?) I suspect the next development in the Helo/Boomer arc will be a miscarriage. Certainly there is nowhere else to go with this storyline that wouldn't be--as some might say--Trekkified. And the idea of stranding the peaceniks (or maybe giving them a ship and sending them on their way) would be a reasonable solution. Of course, with Roslyn determined to keep the human race alive she might be absolutely against that kind of callous death sentence for an unknown number of her fellow humans, most of whom are operating out of misguided beleifs. It does seem awful quick for an anti-militaristic movement to spring up however, especially so soon after the Cylon holocaust. Just think about how much impact the World Trade Center murders had on the political atmosphere in the US. Would anyone be likely to turn to "peace at all costs" after Pearl Harbor? And would any number of colonists support/harbor such a movement? I think lynchings would be more likely. Just my opinion as an old cynic. Love BSG!
"This is my stop...the fleet will sail the rest of the way witho by Billyeveryteen	Jan 21st, 2006 09:51:28 AM
Shame that, we'll miss you.
can't see past the Sci Fi tag by VoodooV	Jan 21st, 2006 10:25:00 AM
They had to do SOMETHING about the platinum blond helfer though. It was getting tiresome. the whole idea of cylon in baltar's head is frigging cool, but even the coolest ideas get tired after a while and it was time for them to change it. I mean c'mon, after all this time, of baltar talking to imaginary women in front of the crew, no one has reported it? He is the VP after all, it would be worthy of gossip for all those reporters. Hell even the Gina storyline can't last forever cuz just cuz she changes her hair, doesn't mean that no one will ever put two and two together and figure out where Gina disappeared to or recognize her as as one of the models.
"V"'s Star Child anyone? by Jack Burton	Jan 21st, 2006 10:30:49 AM
I'm just saying.
Ok, Last Week...... by Real Deal	Jan 21st, 2006 10:32:43 AM
I was getting on BSG's case for the tech thing and got all kinds of grief for it. Now this week I just want to say that BSG still remains the best SF tv effort alive today! I was ok with Roslin being saved. Let's face it they can't off Adamma or Roslin ( at least just yet ). They are the heart and soul of this show. Plus they're the big name actors ( and the best ) on this show. I think things are developing quite well and can't wait to see where this is all going.
Baltar has to go bad, and Real Deal by MGTHEDJ	Jan 21st, 2006 10:56:45 AM
Baltar is the villian. How they made him go bad was done very well IMHO. He's not Snipley Whiplash, he's Benedict Arnold. Real Deal, after last week I came up with a way they could have explained the vehicles seen on Caprica; just have Helo say "Wow, that's a classic." The implication is Starbuck drives the equivalent of a 1958-1965 pickup truck.
by VoodooV	Jan 21st, 2006 11:11:21 AM
I will never understand people who get hung up over stupid details as a hummer not looking 'right' for bsg's tech level. This isn't the fucking holodeck here people, it's a TV show. I hate to break it to you but the show is just make believe. they can't just magically whip up some futuristic, yet realistic vehicle every time the script calls for it, it would be time consuming and hella expensive. Hollywood is richer than god, but even they have limits and have to cut corners and have deadlines and you'll just have to use your imagination or suspend disbelief and deal with it k? Starbuck is a GIRL! OMG!
Not a Shame by Gorrister	Jan 21st, 2006 12:19:06 PM
I'm not here to be a troll or flame BSG (or it's fans). I just think this show has failed to live up to the type of story that I, personally, would enjoy to watch. I've had issues with it in the past, but the Deus Ex Machina cure was just too much. Some issues I had in the past were: "Litmus" script being lifted from Star Trek:TNG "The Drumhead", non-sentient centurions (Moore admits they are not sentient), Six/Baltar "fantasy" issue has gone on too long, some of the sex-change decisions, "Arrow of Apollo" story too long & too slow. I could go on and on. But I could also go on and on about things I like about the show. But I saw the possibility if a Deus Ex Machina solution to the cancer storyline from day one of the miniseries....so I knew I would give up on the show if they ever pulled that crap on us. Thus, I'm gone. ;)
Miracle cylon-hybrid blood by mascan	Jan 21st, 2006 12:37:04 PM
In one move, they ended the Roslin cancer storyline, and planted the seeds for a ton of new ones. I'm seeing the secret of the cylon blood getting out, and the cylon sympathizers eventually seeing the baby as a new messiah. Then watch the shit fly.
Sharon is a cylon... so how come by Russman	Jan 21st, 2006 12:47:21 PM
She didn't have advanced strength like the one Cylon that Starbuck tortured? I thought she'd be able to do some damage when they came to get her.
Who's to say Roslin is permenantly cured? by zer0cool2k2	Jan 21st, 2006 01:05:21 PM
This could be (and probably is) just another part of the Cylon plan. Maybe there's some nano technology in the blood that will allow the Cylons to control Roslin, or to bring back her Cancer whenever they feel like it. Or maybe, this will just make her start looking at the Cylons in a different light. Whatever, I don't think we're done with her illness. And as far as the prophecy goes, it said a dying leader would lead them to earth, but I don't remember it saying the leader would die. Roslin was dying at one point, just not now. The corporeal six may have began as a hair-color issue, but having her held captive on the Pegasus, and phantom-Six and Baltar's reaction to it was great. (I say tough it out Helfer, look at how long James Marsters had to douse his head in bleach). Hopefully this doesn't mean phantom-Six will disappear for good.
Where in the hell is the Imperious Leader? by UncleSam	Jan 21st, 2006 01:51:22 PM
It's about time it shows it's face. And to MrD... Christians did go on a Crusade against the non-believers. So who says BSG is following history exactly.
how come the writers of BSG don't understand navy and marine by Hugh Jass	Jan 21st, 2006 02:16:26 PM
I like the show, but there is one thing that really bugs me. The ranks of the various officers and enlisted. Apollo is a captain because he is the CAG - thats a navy captain. Cain was an admiral. We have chiefs. We can therefore assume that the Battlestar is the equivalent of an aircraft carrier. However, Tigh is a colonel and the XO. Colonel is the equivalent of a navy captain. Is he a marine? But he wears the same uniform as the rest of the officers. Until last week, Adama was a commander. Thats below captain in the navy, and the equivalent of a marine corps Lt. Colonel. He went from commander to admiral and passed over captain. WTF? Its a minor pain in the ass but the writers should do a little basic research on the internet to understand rank structure in the US Navy if that is the pattern they are trying to follow, because it makes no sense the way they have it. And Oberon, I stand by my comment that Voyager and Enterprise were ass sucking crapfests, and worse! :)
How Disappointing Was That Episode? by Prophet Jeremiah	Jan 21st, 2006 02:27:16 PM
Up until now I've felt the show was note perfect. This episode bothered me so much I didn't have an immediate reaction. I also was thinking V baby along with some of the other posters. It's all been said already, and every series has its bad episode, but damn, I was hoping BSG would dodge that bullet. Not to start up anything among the crazies, but give Whedon his due, if one of his characters gets cancer there's a good chance that character will die. Now, a certain amount of suspense has been taken out of BSG as it looks like all the characters are untouchable.
RE: Battlestar is dead to me. lol by Alen Smithee	Jan 21st, 2006 02:52:45 PM
Actually, if you listen to Ron's Pod Cast commentary, he does say that the cancer can come back, and that if the people are to be lead by a dying leader, maybe she's not the one who's really supose to be leading them. Adama? Baltar?
I thought his episode was great... by Batutta	Jan 21st, 2006 03:23:56 PM
Sure, Roslin was "cured", but her being implanted with Cylon blood opens a wealth of new, more interesting possibilities. It could alter her DNA. She could lose the support and trust of the populace when they learn she has Cylon blood. She could start having Baltar-like visions. Roslin having cancer was a one note storyline that pretty much exhausted its possibilities. This was more likely the point, not "saving the life" character. Her living this way creates more complications than it solves, which is just good drama.
Just think about how much impact the World Trade Center murders by MrD	Jan 21st, 2006 04:09:12 PM
If I recall correctly, there WERE peace protests when the US invaded Afghanistan, and even on 9-12 people who said the only answer was to engage in a dialogue with UBL. But putting that aside, I have maintained all along it is shortsighted to see the BSG metaphors as modern commentaries. Issues such as torturing prisoners, pacifism, religious conflict, military vs government, rights vs security and so forth go well beyond modern events. If BSG tried to make this a "contemporary" commentary (ala MoH's lame "Homecoming"), it might catch a following (depending on which side of the issue it took), but would probably not stand the test of time. The issues Galactica raises are thankfully not confined to a modern frame, and thus should resonate for a long time to come.
UncleSam by MrD	Jan 21st, 2006 04:14:00 PM
That was sort of my point, just in a different direction. There are too many differences here to label Cylons Christians and Coloials Romans. If you want to make the Cylons Christian Crusaders (which is also tough to line up except in broad terms), then the Colonials would be the Muslims. Then again, you could see the Colonials as the Jews in Exodus, which would make the Cylons Egyptian. Certainly there are many elements from history and legend at play here, but thankfully they do more than a simple "A is B" translation.
Harlan again by MrD	Jan 21st, 2006 04:17:00 PM
Thanks for the 411 Lemmiwinks. I'll have to keep an eye out for Starlost. While I don't doubt the reality of parallel creativity, I also don't put anything past a Hollywood producer. But even assuming BSG was stolen from Starlost, the plagarist is Larson, not Moore, and I think Harlan's smart enough to know that.
Ranks and V-Baby by MrD	Jan 21st, 2006 04:23:42 PM
HughJass - This isn't the American military, so I assume they can make up the ranks as they see fit. If they wanted to have a rank of Pigf*cker, second class, there's no reason why they couldn't. As for the V-Baby, yeah, we know. It's about the least original observation anyone could make for the series. The V-baby was not what killed V. It was a symptom of a much larger problem caused by the show's change in writers. Many of V's teeth were pulled in V:TFB (notice the loss of the scientist holocaust storyline), which then turned into a blathering soap opera for V:TS. Since then V-Baby syndrome has happened numerous times, often with bad effect (ST:TNG The Child), sometimes not (Angel's Connor). The idea of the Cylon baby is not bad. The question is what will they do with it.
Memo to Mitch Hurwitz and Arrested Development - THAT'S how by paulh	Jan 21st, 2006 06:18:46 PM
I had forgotten about the nuke that Baltar received from Adama to 'complete his research' on the Cylon detector ('Litmus' from season 1?). That sound you heard when Six jogged Baltar's memory on that was an 'oh, frack!'. And the ending...did anyone else notice the bombing aboard the trillium ship have Islamist overtones ('God willing', a phrase often used by tereorists, before she blew herself up)?
God willing, I'm a sick bastard by MrD	Jan 21st, 2006 07:21:49 PM
Can I just say I enjoyed seeing the dead body float out into space after the explosion? NIce to see after decades of seeing empty space ships, airplanes, etc explode (now how about in the next 'zilla movie we see some plastic army men in those cardboard buildings he knocks over?).
MrD :- RE: "I enjoyed seeing the dead body float out into space by Kai_Mah'gra	Jan 21st, 2006 07:43:05 PM
....I take it then, that you didn't notice the bodies of dead Cylons flaoting out into space in last week's episode when they took out the Ressurection ship. Pretty stunning, if you were able to catch it. They way they shot it was so that not many people would notice it, by cutting between scenes of Apollo floating in space, the two bridges on Pegasus and Galactica, as well as scenes from the rest of the battle. That was the show wouldn't presumably seem so heartless to the queasy-inclined. I know that they were just inanimate Cylon bodies, but they sure looked almost human enough to be freakish.
Russman : RE:- (How come) She(Sharon) didn't have advanced by Kai_Mah'gra	Jan 21st, 2006 07:59:19 PM
........it might have something to do with the fact that gestation (i.e. pregnancy), tends to reduce a woman's mobility, balance, strength and flexibity. At least with humans it does, so I would posit that it's safe to assume that the same holds true for Cylons as well, just as it does in other non-humanoid species here on Earth. On the flip side, you really need to give props to a show that will tackle forced abortion, feotal stem cells and terrorism all in the same episode. And I like the fact that the Six in Baltar's head seems none too thrilled about Gaius' growing "affection" for Gina, her flesh and lbood counterpart. And for all you sorry saps saying they're leaving the show now that Rosslyn's cured; firstly, you have to have been a complete dopehead not to have seen that one coming from the time Sharon became pregnant. Either that or your really really slow. Like they are going to get rid of one of the show's 2 biggest name actor's just as the show is beginning to develop legs and is on it's way to Season 3 and 4. Secondly,......um...there was a second point..... oh, yeah, you wouldn't be missed and please don't let the door slam you on the way out. I hear Desperate Housewives is doing it's usual suckage routine, so you all should be really really happy there.
Cylons flaoting out into space in last week's episode when t by MrD	Jan 21st, 2006 09:12:50 PM
Yeah, I did note it now that you mention it, and I was pleased then too. Just didn't think to comment on it before. If I wanted to make and argument about this (because it is the internet, and we're supposed to bitch slap each other over everything), given how nakedly exposed the bodies were in the ship when it was intact, it would have been odd NOT to see the bodies from the Resurrection. This week I think they could have more easily chosen not to do so without calling attention.
MrD by UncleSam	Jan 21st, 2006 11:46:21 PM
The theme to this BSG does have an Arabic tune to it so maybe the colonies are a mix of both the Romans and Muslim. Throw in the Egyptians since they did were Egyptian type helmets in the original series.
Design by MrD	Jan 22nd, 2006 12:05:43 AM
Uncle Sam - Agree with the design. Hadn't really thought of the theme as Arabic, but I guess it fits. One of the things I loved about the original series (which I feel has not aged well at all) was the design, particularly the egyptian stuff like the Viper helmets. Clearly some of these things are to tie the Colonies in with Earth, but not to any one specific culture or time period, so that keeps open the question of when we all split from each other.
... You know, wouldn't it be great... by SpacePhil	Jan 22nd, 2006 12:14:06 AM
Wouldn't it be great if Roslyn struggles with her cancer for the rest of the season - it looks like she's getting better - and then she gets shot or something?
"I knew I would give up on the show if they ever pulled that cra by Col. Klink	Jan 22nd, 2006 12:16:42 AM
I'm sure Olmos will be CRUSHED to hear that. Bye!
Weak Boomer..... by Hairy Nutsack	Jan 22nd, 2006 01:00:39 AM
I thought they pretty much established that Sharon is the gentle version of a Cylon, she's all capable of love and stuff. Gina6 is the kick your ass type.
Interesting parallel with today by cantankerous	Jan 22nd, 2006 09:21:37 AM
Self-proclaimed pacifists who unwittingly collaborate with the enemy against the very people who are trying and dying to protect them. Their moral compass so out of whack that they are unable (or unwilling) to identify the real enemy. After all, it
I Volunteer by Itchy	Jan 22nd, 2006 09:41:43 AM
if they need volunteers for the Cylon breeding program, I'll be willing to go. Presuming the breeding involves me in a room with naked Boomers and #6s. At the same time. Oh, and Cantankerous - I totally agree. When they stareted the "let's just make peace" movement storyline, I was waiting for the typical sanctimonious anti-Bush rhetoric. Nice to see they're actually making the point that sometimes something is just so wrong that there just is no room for 'negotiating'.
Another Thing .... re: Rolsyn's 'flashbacks' by Itchy	Jan 22nd, 2006 09:43:56 AM
I liked how they kept lingering on the images of Baltar and Six in the background, implying that Roslyn had seen the two together on the day prior to the Cylon attack. While she didn't seem conscious of it after being 'cured', clearly it is giving her a subconscious reason to distrust Baltar. I think it's pretty clear that they are steaming towards a Baltar / Fleet split, where his treachery will be discovered.
WHERES THE ZONE?! by ZombieSolutions	Jan 22nd, 2006 12:35:37 PM
WHERES THE ZONE?!
history, bodies, RDM, President Adar, Roslin, etc. by lynxpro	Jan 22nd, 2006 02:25:24 PM
For the people saying that this version of BSG is not using history in its storylines, you are incorrect. We've already had one episode earlier in Season Two that evoked the "Boston Massacre". While I am not fond of the "starchild" storyline, there's far worse of material to ape than the V television series...namely the genius child from Galactica 1980, or Gary Coleman's character from Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. Thankfully, Coleman is probably still on that peddle electric generating machine deep in the bowels of the G4 Network studio building since none of the staff probably informed him of the cancellation of Unscrewed. Dead bodies flying out into space has been shown on television sci-fi before, namely on Enterprise of all shows. The blood cure of Roslin is not a sell-out or an example of shark jumping; it could easily be a plot device down the road with Roslin coming under the influence Cylon nanotech that had been infused in the Cylon blood. As for RDM, he shocked me with this episode. From most reports, I've read that he considers himself a liberal yet libs/pacifists certainly were shown to be of the traitorous/moron calibur that most right wingers would label them as being. That made me chuckle, actually. Now this is where it gets really interesting. We finally get to see what President Adar looked like. Why now? Is he going to turn out to be a prominent Cylon? That would be interesting. What I am disappointed in is the villanous turn of events for Baltar. I really hoped that when the nuke was revealed that it would have been followed with a nuclear blast detonated by Baltar. That would have rocked. Alas, his character is finally changing over and bringing him in line with where the original Baltar started out as in the original BSG series...and just in time for the talk of a peace treaty. Of course, those of us who remember the original series knows how that played out. I would still like to see Dirk Benedict be the revealed Cylon God, but it'll probably now be the actor who is President Adar.
The Imperius Leader by Gorrister	Jan 22nd, 2006 03:11:44 PM
The Imperius Leader has shown his face, in an unofficial manner. The only Imperius Leader in the new BSG is Ron Moore. And the only people chanting "By Your Command" are the legions of "If you don't love the new BSG, you're fucked in the head" fanatical fans. ;) LOL
as for the Benedict Arnold comparison... by lynxpro	Jan 22nd, 2006 03:33:55 PM
I really hate how people still villify Arnold (as if he was the second-coming of Guy Fawkes or something). He betrayed a bunch of traitors, when you get down to it. He was a war hero yet the Continental Congress slighted him every chance they could get. When one today villifies him, they should seriously take note of the fact that one of the main reasons why George Washington volunteered to command the forces of the Continental Army was becauase he was denied his permanent commission in the British Army because he could not speak French (which was required so that one could negotiate with their blood enemy) and blundered his way all throughout the earlier 7 Years War. Throw in the fact that his family was an offshoot of the deposed Stuart royal family, and that's enough to doubt all the talk of him nobily wanting to found a democratic republic for the people of the colonies. There's a pretty good cable telefilm on Arnold that's being shown again, starring Aiden Quinn and Kelsey Grammer as Washington.
fiester by optimus122	Jan 22nd, 2006 06:44:26 PM
" Go find a Whedon board and suck his cock there, you insufferable whiny little bitches! BSG kicks arse. That is all " - Some Imbecile We all know your on guard to make sure no one talks about superior television so you can please die in peace now knowing you did your fucking duty , moron.
by cantankerous	Jan 22nd, 2006 06:53:08 PM
Did or did not Benedict Arnold, who was a general in the continental army at the time, conspire to surrender West Point to the British? And did he or did he not flee to England with his British loyalist wife and become a British general after his plot was discovered? He was the original American traitor, a role model for many liberals today. And your characterization of Washington is beyond laughable. Are you really trying to compare him to Arnold? Try reading a few real history books and avoid the sensational revisionist crap. Next, you
That ole Cherry Tree chestnut by DannytheRed	Jan 22nd, 2006 08:06:27 PM
" The story of Washington and the Cherry Tree, a tale which still lingers through probably every grammar school in the U.S., was invented by a parson named Mason Locke Weems in a biography of Washington published directly after his death. Saturated with tales of Washington's selflessness and honesty, A History of the Life and Death, Virtues and Exploits, of General George Washington(1800) and The Life of George Washington, with Curious Anecdotes Laudable to Himself and Exemplary to his Countrymen(1806) supplied the American people with flattering (and often rhyming) renditions of the events that shaped their hero. Weems imagined everthing from Washington's childhood transgression and repentence to his apotheosis when "at the sight of him, even those blessed spirits seem[ed] to feel new raptures" (Weems, 60)." http://xroads.virginia.edu/~CA P/gw/gwmoral.html Of course, I may be lying --being a sleeper operative of Castro and all -- but you may want to check your assumptions, Cankersore.
Hummer and low tech......and Rosslin by dr_pepper	Jan 22nd, 2006 09:06:10 PM
Umm gotta say who really cares on the low tech issue. How long has the wheel been around and yet you still see them being used. Why re-invent a military vehicle that's tried and true? Sure - replace the internal combustion engine with some high tech wizardry, but when it comes to a vehicle going over varried terrain - maybe 5000 years from now we'll find that a hummer with 4 wheels still works pretty well. Other than that - what about the prophecy that basically says the chosen one or Rosslin or whatever will not "complete the journey" with everyone else??
Yeah sure, DannytheRed. Next you'll be telling me John Bunya by cantankerous	Jan 22nd, 2006 09:58:03 PM

Arnold by MrD	Jan 22nd, 2006 11:05:57 PM
Comparing Arnold to Baltar is absurdbly misplaced. Remember that prior to 1776, Britain and America were one in the same. He may have changed sides during the war, but in doing so he changed his allegiance to where it lie just a few years earlier, not to a government bent on the total annihilation of his people. I think it reasonable to understand why anyone would have trouble choosing their loyalties in that war, just as happened in the American Civil War. Baltar would be more akin to a Jew who joined the Nazis because he fell in love with Eva Braun. If you wanted something closer to Arnold, I would say it'd be closer to Cylon Sharon (either one), who is torn between the people she came from, and the people she lived with.
what about the prophecy that basically says the chosen one or Ro by MrD	Jan 22nd, 2006 11:10:37 PM
First, the prophecy says leader, which at this point we assume to be Laura, but may not be. Secondly, there are lots of ways to die. Doesn't have to be cancer. Hell, she may die of old age before they reach Earth. Prophecies have an odd way of coming true through the back door. Think of Perseus. He was exiled by his grandfather because prophecy said Perseus would kill him. Years later, Perseus returns, kills some monsters, and makes up with the old man. Grandpa throws a party, and holds some games. In the discus competition, Perseus throws a bit to hard, and the disc flies into the stands and, you guessed it, kills grandpa! Moral: Rosalin should not accept those box seats to the Colonial Olympics.
PAUL Bunyan, of course by thethedew	Jan 22nd, 2006 11:41:14 PM
But cantankerous knew that, of course. He was just trying to bait someing into...aw, crap.
RE: "...fleet will sail... without me." by Forget_Byron	Jan 23rd, 2006 09:22:13 AM
Sorry to hear that, but I feel your pain. Until Friday night, I would have said BSG is the best sci-fi show ever created. Every episode was solid, and my wife who hates sci-fi even loves it after watching all of season 1 on DVD. That said, Friday night's episode was one of the worst of ANY sci-fi show (except for maybe the last 5 minutes). Peace sympathizers who were driven from their homes now think the Cylons will just let them surrender when they have annihilated at every turn? Could there really be people so naieve in a post-apocalyptic setting. If such is the case, why isn't Adama on the wire to the whole fleet telling them, reminding them exactly why they are where they are and what happens at every single fracking Cylon encounter. What's more, the whole Rosalin is cured scenario is a bunch of crap. The priestess told her in season 1 that the leader who led them to their new home would not live to reach it, so she had better fracking die before they get there. Lastly, and most importantly, what the hell are Helo and the chief doing running around like nothing happened? They killed a man! Adama stripped one of the chief's men of his rank and permanently confined him to a cell for the remainder of the fleet's journey, and that was for far less than murder. He only lied under oath. The episode just felt like the reset button that everyone - including me - completely loathes. Lee is back in as CAG, Cain is conviently removed from power, and there's no explanation as to why Adama lets 2 murderers who have strong ties to a Cylon go free. I won't be abandoning ship quite yet, but if this is the way of the future, well it won't be long before I do. This episode (barring the final minutes with Baltar and the nuke) was an insulting slap in the face to all the fans who have been loyal because of the show's promise to be real. This episode was the first -and hopefully, only - let down so far. I believe in the 3-strike rule, and this was strike 1. The only way I might forgive that is if we find out that the cylon DNA has taken over Rosalind and that she is now a cylon.
Cylon agents: There is another... by MrD	Jan 23rd, 2006 11:31:59 AM
At least that's my guess having rewatched the miniseries recently. Shortly after Gaius and Six separate (BTW - Did Baltar ever use Six's "human" name?), the scene presumably witnessed by Rosalin, as Gaius leaves Six turns to someone off camera and says something akin to "I was wondering when you'd arrive." The staging was very deliberately done to keep the 2nd agent's identity secret. Why? Well, by the end of the movie, we had seen 3 models other than Six, and their revelation was to be a suprise. Still, that moment didn't need to be there, and we never found out which of the models she spoke to. My guess is they were planning a longer-term suprise here. The mystery agent is one of the unseen six. Who was there at the time? Rosalin, obviously, but also the teacher-union rep she met with. Is it possible he'll be coming back to haunt Laura?
I could just see them bringing back Colm Feore (who played the f by oisin5199	Jan 23rd, 2006 12:32:29 PM
to be a cylon leader, just to frak with Roslyn's head. She had a relationship with him, after all. That's too significant a thing to just throw away. And I was a bit disappointed by Baltar's turn. I thought Roslyn's letter to him was right on the money, and I was hoping he would take it in, so that he would start questioning his motivations, instead of becoming angy and resentful. I think a confused Baltar is far more interesting than an evil Baltar, because he tends to make decisions on impulse and then isn't sure he's doing the right thing. This makes him far more dangerous and unpredictable, because you don't know from moment to moment what side he's on and what his agenda is, or what the consequences of his actions will be. Obviously, they have to go somewhere with his character so he's not just repeating himself, but I hope it's not in the direction of straight up evil. Though the smug Baltar with a cigar surrounded by Sixes sounds like a fun scene.
Byron..... by Hairy Nutsack	Jan 23rd, 2006 01:36:34 PM
It has been demonstrated quite plainly on the show that Adama feels it is more important to keep people on duty rather than throw them in the brig. He wanted to put a bullet in Kara's face, but instead he told her to go train the pilot's, he released the deck hand to Tyrol who is now on duty. That said, how is what Tyrol did even murder? It was an absolutely accidental, unintentional death that was the result of, in Adama's eyes, a highly illegal act being perpetrated on an enemy POW. Tyrol just threw the guy off of the prisoner, the fact that he hit his head on the bolt was unfortunate, but not murder. Also, what did Helo have to do with his death? It was Tyrol that threw the guy.
RE: Hairy by Forget_Byron	Jan 23rd, 2006 01:48:42 PM
Well, I guess what I should have said and never really got around to was that I could probably have forgiven Adama's decision to let them go if it had been better explained why he did it. But the episode Friday just felt like Moore and Co. had a script idea that came between Cain's death and this episode, but never developed it. We the audience were just left with confusing exposition that completely glossed right over everything they'd beeen building up to. That said, you ask what Helo had to do with the death. He was right there in the thick of it. If you are helping a buddy rob a convenience store and he shoots the clerk, you're responsible for his actions because you took part in the overall crime. Now, of course, BSG isn't modern-world law, and to be honest, the legal system seems to be very clouded, with Moore and Co. just making it up as they go. But certainly the Chief and Helo needed to pay some penalty for what they did. Adama may not agree with what was happening to Sharon, and he may even agree with their actions to intervene. But the ends cannot justify the means. A smart commander, excuse me, admiral, like Adama would understand that he can't have his people going around thinking they can do whatever they want like a bunch of mercenaries or pirates. He needs to set an example, and the longer he lets things slide, the worse the situation is going to get. The writers need to acknowledge that or its going to make the show flop.
Forget_Byron by Kai_Mah'gra	Jan 23rd, 2006 01:51:56 PM
.........just a few things you seemed to have over-looked on your way to rantland. Firstly, why is it so hard to believe that some of the civilians would be of the opinion that peace with the Cylons,( or surrender for that matter) was a viable option? Here in the real world, after 9/11 there were people actually talking about reasoning with the terrorists and trying to find out what we did wrong to them to make them want to take out 3000 American lives, in the name of a religion, that ostensibly preaches peace. Any sane reasonable person knows that you can't reason with someone of that kind of mentality; and yet there were those who were suggesting it nonetheless. The reality is that people are actually more loopy in the ral world than anything Moore and Eick can come up with on that show. Seriously, you'd be surprised at just how stupid human beings can be; - and the pacifists (IMHO) are merely Moore's way of depicting the depth of this stupidity. Secondly, yes, the priestess did say that the leader who would lead them to Earth would not live to see it. But who, exactly, said that that leader was Rosslyn? Adama is a just as much a leader of that fleet,(if not more so), as Rosslyn is, and an attempt has already been made on his life. Furthermore, just because she seems cured, how certain can you be that she still will not buy the farm through some other means or even through a relapse? You people should really stop getting ahead of yourselves ( or the script writers for that matters) and ease up on the conclusion-jumping. Thirdly, do you remember the original reason Adama gave the chief for not throwing him in the brig the first time around when he was caught in a lie? If you do, then you might have a better idea as to why he's still walking around 'free' and not ina brig. Ditto Helo, especially given that trained pilots in a populace of 50,000 or so, are a premium; (which reminds me, it wasn't murder, it was manslaughter, and there's a huge huge difference in degrees of consequences, particularly when you take into account the mitigating factors). And don't forget as well that Adama is now an admiral, who essentially has final say in military court martial matters. And, oh yeah, Cain wasn't "conviently removed from power," as you put it. She was shot point blank in the face, and considering her power trip and bitchy attitude, you'd have to be really really slow to say that you never suspected that she had something of that nature coming from someone, even if not the Cylon. As much fun as most people think it would have been to keep her around, the dual centres of power story-arc was probably taking the story in directions the show's creator's didn't want to ( or probably never planned to) go in; especially given the fact that at the time they were writing the episodes for Season 2, chances were Season 3 hand't been greenlighted and they had no way of knowing they could stretch out the storyline. Jumping to conclusions is, no doubt, a fun spectator sport, particularly with a show like this that offers a great deal of possibilities, but seriously ease off the Monday-morning-quarterback-scr eenplay-writing and let the BSG writers do their job; and along the way, pay a wee bit more attention, if you can afford the brainspace. That way, you might find you enjoy the show more, especially when things come full circle such as was the case with Baltar's vision at the end of Season one on Kobol, where he envisioned holding the hybrid baby in his hands only to have Adama come and take it from him and take it all the way to the Lake and drown him; a premonition to his order to terminate Sharon's pregnancy, perfectly presented with him standing behind Sharon's stretcher as they carted her towadrds the medical bay for the arbtion. Not many people here picked up on that, yet it's amazing what you get when you do pick up on details like those.....as opposed to........ooooh, I don't know, ......... jumping onto the first available conclusion?
RE:kai by Forget_Byron	Jan 23rd, 2006 02:33:31 PM
I don't think its fair or realistic to compare 9/11 to the BSG situation. First of all, a terrorist attack on two of the most prime targets in the US is not the same as if they'd managed to nuke all of New York, California, and Oklahoma City, leaving the rest of us on the run while they hunted us down in the cornfields, or in boats in the water. Which brings me to my second point. Adama is not a bloodthirsty ego-maniac who's looking to use the tragedy of the colonies' destruction as a means for personal gain and accomplishment (unlike some real people who will remain unnamed). I do know why he let the chief go when he caught him in a lie; I have seen every episode of season 1 at least 5 times each, since I have them on DVD. Usually I watch them with friends I am trying to get hooked on them. I love watching their faces when Boomer shoots Adama. I'm not jumping to conclusions, and I stand by my assessment. I think the last episode of BSG, while perhaps a complete fluke in the writing quality, is the only bad episode so far, and if it turns out that in retrospect, it can be watched and appreciated as much as every other episode that's aired so far, then even better. But for the time being, the events of this episode were rushed and felt fake, especially the miraculous recovery of Rosalind. If I were Starbuck, I'd be more than a little pissed that I was the CAG and then just because some Cylon managed to kill the person who made me the CAG died, now I'm back to being second fiddle. When I said Cain's death was convenient, I didn't mean that it was simple or that it wasn't well thought out, just that it didn't have the same level of excitment it might have had if there hadn't been so much build up to the "downfall/case orange" order that completely collapsed. Especially, since the previews made it clear that someone was going to shoot Cain. I don't like it when the writers play coy with the audience only to back down at the most intense moment. Doesn't mean I am giving up on the show, or that it is no longer worth watching. It's just the first strike against it, and hopefully it will be the only one. Finally, they'd have been better off if they never introduced prophecy into it to begin with. Prophecy is just a cop-out method that almost always ends up backfiring because the writers back themselves into a corner they can't get out of. It was the one thing I hated about DS9 because everytime something big was going to happen, there was a prophecy to explain that it would all work out. Boring.
Is Roslin hot for Billy? by _Maltheus_	Jan 23rd, 2006 04:07:50 PM
Roslin said that Billy reminded her of Adar, what does that imply now that we know they had a relationship? I know nothing will really come of it, but it is interesting and she is an ILF (don't think she has children anyway). .......... That was a lame episode however, perhaps the worst in the entire run. The whole figuring out the Six-Baltar relationship in her dream was straight from the Sopranos, with Tony and the talking fish Pussy. I didn't like it in the Sopranos either. Fever dreams are not, I repeat, not a reliable source of information. Miracle babies are lame (sorry Jesus, that's just the way it is, it was a tired story even before yours hit the scene). I thought having Gina kill Cain was a cheap out, but this just took it to a whole nuther level of cheapness, especially since they were building it up since the miniseries. Star child indeed! Also Baltar giving up the nuke seemed out of character, even for his crazy ass self. .......... As for the whole 9/11-Cylon attack comparison, it does seem to be what they are trying to go for. But that's BS. 9/11 involved the deaths of just under 3000 people on a planet of 6 billion. Barely a fraction of 1% (like 0.00005% of the world, 0.001% of the country). The attack on the colonies killed many billions leaving less than 100,000 alive (maybe 1% left alive). Complete apples and oranges. The colonies had also been leaving the Cylons alone for quite some time (unless we find out otherwise). You see they don't actually "hate us for our freedom," they hate us cause we won't leave them the fuck alone. The Iraq war is a perfect demonstration of this. We had peace protesters over Afghanistan too, but guess what? Afghanistan didn't attack us either. And just to get it out in advance (cause you know we're going, one way or another), Iran hasn't attacked us either. I think the only way to make sense of the (violent) peace movement on Galactica is to realize that it's being directed by a Cylon (perhaps only indirectly). Although that doesn't explain Adama's stupidity in locking up the guy he invited to discuss the matter. Who would ever trust Adama again after that?
Byron and Maltheus - 9/11 by oisin5199	Jan 23rd, 2006 05:05:35 PM
Dudes, it's not a literal comparison. It's not about body count and exact political situations. Making those kinds of comparisons is kinda silly and pointless. This is science fiction, not historical fiction. It's about metaphor and allegory. It's about terrorism and religious war itself. It's about the emotional aftermath - the grief, the patriotism, the fear and paranoia, the anger, the racism and religious intolerance and the dehumanizing of the enemy (on both sides), the conflicting views (and the fact that the sides are not clearly drawn - you may call dissenters 'stupid' but that's certainly not an opinion that everyone shares), and the overall mood. This is definitely a post-9/11 show, make no mistake. It's waaay darker than anything the original 80s lovefest could muster.
re: osin by _Maltheus_	Jan 23rd, 2006 05:39:01 PM
I know it's not a literal comparison. It's just that the BSG peace protesters were militant in their zeal less than two months after the cylons show up, after like a lifetime of not hearing from them. It's harder to understand where they are coming from but it's pretty easy to understand where our protesters are coming from. It's clear to me that the writers are trying to draw those parallels. I was just saying that 9/11 isn't even close to being in the same league as the BSG nuking (although the crew doesn't seem nearly as affected by the loss as us hysterical Americans were/are).
that Cylon agent... by Maniaq	Jan 23rd, 2006 06:04:38 PM
...was Doral - fresh off of the Galactica. I always thought they didn't bother spelling it out because SOME OF US can put two and two together... The new commander of the Pegasus is the former XO - what? Is anyone surprised?? Yes indeed this was a pretty lame episode - worse for coming straight after a couple of kick-arse episodes. I did kinda like the human fifth collumnists tho - I always thought we'd see some cylon ones but so far there's only Boomer... And now they got the bomb... Ahh you Americans! You're SO funny! It made me fall off my chair laughing to read people writing stuff like "oh there are actually people out there who believe we've done something to offend those Arabs" heheh - I'm still chuckling just thinkin about it! Oh this is too much! I just can;t type and laugh at the same time! OK wait. OK. Alright I'm ok. Seriously tho, this is not the first lame episode in the series and let's face it, every TV show has lame episodes. Let's just not too many Lost-esque tying all the characters together just before take-off and I'll be happy.. OK?
Making those kinds of comparisons is kinda silly and pointless. by Forget_Byron	Jan 24th, 2006 09:23:49 AM
Didn't I say almost the same thing right off the bat?
Forget_Byron and _Maltheus, you ignorant sluts. by cantankerous	Jan 24th, 2006 11:19:28 AM
(FB) Personal gain and accomplishment? You mean that war-profiteer, Michael Moore, who bilked the anti-war crowd out of $100,000,000 with his propaganda movie and got himself elevated to the upper echelon of the Democratic Party?.......(M) Afghanistan didn
re: cantankerous by _Maltheus_	Jan 24th, 2006 02:05:18 PM
No Afghanistan didn't attack us. No nation has absolute control of everyone within it's borders. All we managed to do there was restore the heroin trade back up to full production. As for Iraq and Kuwait, we pretty much told Sadaam that it was ok to do. Do a search on April Glaspie. We have no right to tell Iran and Iraq they can't have nukes when we let Israel and Pakistan have them. Pakistan has far more ties to terrorists than Afghanistan ever did. And quite frankly, Israel is far more likely to use nukes than Iraq or Iran is. I personally don't care about Micheal Moore or any democrats or republicans. They're all traitors. I'm a small-government, pro-freedom conservative and we have no parties representing us. You seem to be very pro-war though. Perhaps you should sign up for a couple tours of duty. Then you can argue with your fellow soldiers on why you think they should stay in Iraq. I bet your views would change pretty quickly. I live in a town where military outnumber civilians. Only the chickenhawks still talk like you.
earth to _Maltheus_ by cantankerous	Jan 24th, 2006 04:01:45 PM
Are you saying that the Afghanistan government (the Taliban) was not culpable? They sealed their fate when they told us to piss off when we demanded they turn over al-Qaeda. We didn
re: cantankerous by _Maltheus_	Jan 24th, 2006 09:42:54 PM
I don't want to get dragged into this anymore except to say, I'm not even close to being left-wing. And on April Glaspie, I got that from a college textbook years before Google even existed. Her comments are public record, it was a direct quote and has never been disputed. As for letting people have nukes, it ain't up to us. We're not the parents of the world. THAT's why people hate us. You put too much faith in polls. I can find a poll to contradict any other poll. Only a fool takes them seriously. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize they ain't too happy over there with us.
Helloooo, anyone home in there? by cantankerous	Jan 25th, 2006 08:18:44 AM
They
_maltheus_ by Forget_Byron	Jan 25th, 2006 11:26:27 AM
This argument with cantankerous is one you will never win. He will twist everything you say, and everything I say just so he can argue. I know many people like him. They have no interest in the facts. Like you, maltheus, I care nothing for the big-wig political party structure. As far as I'm concerned, it's as much of a danger to the people of the free world as any terrorist organization. Some people, like cantankerous, would be very quick to label me or anyone who opposes the war a democrat, but it's because they're small-minded people who believe everything must be split into two equal and opposite groups. If I oppose abortion AND the war, what political party does that put me in? Too many people are too stupid to make such a distinction between national political rhetoric and personal opinions. And Just because I don't think that comparing a FICTIONAL show about a post-apocalyptic society on the run from their oppressors is the same as a single terrorist attack that killed a few thousand people and gave a bloodthirsty war-hungry leader the opportunity he wanted to rattle his saber in violation of any number of international treaties doesn't have anything to do with my personal feelings about the real life situation. That said, cantankerous, you mentioned Michael Moore. I don't care much for him either. Anyone that used the 9/11 tragedy as a money-making scheme will find their fate well-deserved. But back to my original point, you aren't interested in the facts, or in being persuaded to understand someone else's position. So I am done talking about this subject.
re: Forget_Byron by _Maltheus_	Jan 25th, 2006 01:41:12 PM
I know, I felt like an idiot after my last post. I should know better than to argue.
Boy, you two like to spew and run. by cantankerous	Jan 25th, 2006 03:25:42 PM
If you guys didn
Oh I get it, it's not that I have an opinion... by Forget_Byron	Jan 26th, 2006 11:36:57 AM
it's that if I don't accept the force-fed line of bullshit the Bush administration - strike that - the president, regardless of the person in office - hands down, then it's just that I'm "wrong." Why didn't I think of that before. Sheesh, what an ass. And one other thing, there's a difference between going after Osama, and attacking a country without provocation in violation of international treaty. But what do I know, my OPINION (look it up) is wrong. ROFLMFAO!!!
What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind by cantankerous	Jan 26th, 2006 02:09:12 PM
According to you, Forget_Byron, you know a lot of people who disagree with you and you can never win an argument with them. One possibility is that your argument is valid but you are constantly outmatched by your opponent and/or too dim-witted to mount a convincing case. The other possibility is that your position is indefensible because it is just dead-dumb wrong. Personally I think it is a little of both; dim-witted AND wrong. I submit two of you opinions as exhibits A and B

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