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Who The Hell Is The Carver?! NIP/TUCK's Tuesday Finale!!

Liz And Semen by BlankGeneration	Dec 20th, 2005 05:44:47 PM
she tried to have a baby with Christian artificially, so she'd ahve access to his semen, kept some for a second try, could have left it at the crime scene to implicate him and first
first by BlankGeneration	Dec 20th, 2005 05:45:29 PM
Being first is a curse on the world
Ooooh... by TheRealMoriarty	Dec 20th, 2005 05:46:08 PM
Good one, Blank. I didn't remember that. See? IT'S LIZ!! IT'S LIZ!!
Could it be... by BirdMnJr	Dec 20th, 2005 05:46:33 PM
Ryan Murphy promised us a shocker, right? I think it could be Kimber? I've missed a few episodes this year, so maybe I missed this, but have we ever seen Kimber, The Carver, and someone else in a room together? Plus, you gotta think that the Carver is one sick bastard, so the attack on Kimber could have been self-mutilation... I may be way off the map tho. Have we ever seen Carver, Kimber and someone else together?
Also... by TheRealMoriarty	Dec 20th, 2005 05:46:44 PM
... she was the only major character who wasn't at the church during the wedding and who wasn't shown somewhere else. Fishy, eh?
wrong, herc ... by Toe Jam	Dec 20th, 2005 05:51:54 PM
quentin wasn't shown at the wedding. he merely dropped off julia and could have easily slipped in to kidnap kimber. he's way too obvious, though. i doubt the writers would make him the carver. that said, this has been a really, really bad year for "nip/tuck." sure, there were some good points, but a lot of it was just TOO over the top. they can be sleazy and entertaining without becoming goddamn "passions." NOW BRING ON "THE SHIELD"! OH, AND "THIEF"!
blank generation ... by Toe Jam	Dec 20th, 2005 05:53:20 PM
half of miami has had access to christian's sperm at some point, though your point is taken (no pun intended).
All the clues point to.... by Scream27	Dec 20th, 2005 06:00:35 PM
Liz, but remember this is Nip/Tuck, nothing is what it seems. So I am gonna say its Evam who has come back to get revenge on Dr Troy for splitting her up from Matt.
My bets on the slutty business partner by Gheorghe Zamfir	Dec 20th, 2005 06:02:07 PM
Can't remember her name, had "Christian's" black baby. She hates Christian, plus she was at the wedding, and she was with Kimber, but, she wasn't in the church for the ceremony (cause she wasn't invited), so she dissapeared when Kimber did.
OR by Gheorghe Zamfir	Dec 20th, 2005 06:04:49 PM
Last season's finale was a blast, featuring a surprise cameo appearance by Alec Baldwin. I say the only way you can top a surprise cameo by Baldwin is to have another surprise cameo appearance...with Alec Baldwin! Baldwin is The Carver, taking his revenge for them having finished surgery on Eva, thus completing HIS masterpiece. Sadistic and smart, Dr. Baldwin reigns terror across Miami!
Yes... by Jordo	Dec 20th, 2005 06:05:30 PM
Great evidence towards Liz being the Carver. The writers obviously want you to think it's Quentin, but I would actually consider it a twist if he ends up being the Carver. I just hope that the reveal will make sense and won't be a bait and switch or a twist for the sake of a twist. And yes, hopefully Murphy and the writers will scale things down in Season 4. It makes the over-the-top moments seem more shocking.
questions by Zadrock	Dec 20th, 2005 06:06:09 PM
1. Do we know that the carver is going to be a main character or possibly anyone who has ever been on the show? 2. Could it be two people working together? I think that Kimber's schizo and attacked herself. That way Christian still doesn't have to get married.
I bet it's Liz too... by Rindain	Dec 20th, 2005 06:07:41 PM
...unless it's Alec Baldwin! But she almost seems too obvious--that's the only thing going against her.
Gina by BlankGeneration	Dec 20th, 2005 06:08:07 PM
Gina the sex-addict was sitting next to Julia at the wedding. Or it could be Robert Wagner guest starring as Christian's serial-rapist dad. He'd have the same genetic markers in the semen. Plus, you'd never be able to erase the searing image of Wagner sodomizing McMahon from your cortex.
Was she blank? by Gheorghe Zamfir	Dec 20th, 2005 06:10:28 PM
Damn it all, shows how much attention I pay.
THIS JUST IN, THE CARVER IS... by Zadrock	Dec 20th, 2005 06:11:08 PM
Melissa Rivers. It finally all makes sense.
No its... by Scream27	Dec 20th, 2005 06:14:59 PM
Joan Rivers, as she is now mega pissed, that her now famous cream is made out of man juice.
Bobbolit! by MaxCalifornia.	Dec 20th, 2005 06:27:36 PM
C'mon, Merrill Bobbolit (Joey Slotnick) is the ultimate dark horse candidate. He's nuts, has a beef against Christian and Kimber (remember how he traded his car for her, LOL), as well as plastic surgery and 'beauty' in general since it ruined his life. He is a skilled surgeon who'd know how to cut and what drugs to use, and he's been conveniently off the radar ever since he passed out/collapsed last season. If we assume he fled and avoided jail for his botched surgeries, he's an ideal candidate (and FYI the Carver first appeared two episodes after Bobbolit's last appearance). There ya go.
Max... by TheRealMoriarty	Dec 20th, 2005 06:30:49 PM
I'd say that Bobbolit is the second most likely contender, and a good choice. I wouldn't be too shocked to see Slotnick under the mask. I've heard many people also advance Jude, the scummy intern who banged Julia in the first season, as a possibility, but I would consider that a really lame twist. If it ain't Liz, I'm backing your boy!
Jude could be the father.... by Scream27	Dec 20th, 2005 06:37:18 PM
Seeing as in the first ep of this season, he was banging Julia. And his first attack on any of the major characters was Sean, Julia's ex.
I'm gone until midnight... by Rindain	Dec 20th, 2005 06:48:07 PM
I want to avoid spoilers in case the ending gets out. Anyway, can't wait until 10:00 pm (only 2 hours 15 minutes for me). I wonder if Quentin will survive--the final episode title is "Quentin Costa" after all...
na na na naaa, Hey Jude by Zadrock	Dec 20th, 2005 06:53:30 PM
I got a bad feeling that it's going to be Jude after reading some of the Kristin's clues over on the IMDB posts.
Am I seriously the ONLY one... by Roj Blake	Dec 20th, 2005 07:27:25 PM
...who's still banking on Sean?
"THE SHIELD"! by fiester	Dec 20th, 2005 07:33:57 PM
January 8th and Forrest Whittacker is joining the cast this season. Sweet. For the record, I think the Carver is the wife, the blond on--what's her name?--who is running the spa with the slutty girl who was blowing guys in the port-a-potty.
It makes most sense by kuryakin	Dec 20th, 2005 07:37:17 PM
For it to be Kimber - she's been consistently fucked over by every man on the show, has access to Christian's manjuice, did that thing to Christian where she tied him to a bed and marked his face with lipstick in the same places the Carver cuts. Plus she's clearly mental. The previews showed someone (Chritian) tid to a bed with "I can't stop" written above it. It SHOULD be her. But then this show is wacky enough for it to be anyone. The evidence put forward above for Liz is pretty good, especially the semen thing but as the previews showed her getting arrested or shouting about how she is innocent, I'm betting it wouldn't be her. Merrill - that's who I was thinking it might be if they don't have Kimber. Come on - if any show is going to have a mad Raising Cain style ending it's nip/tuck, with Kimber arguing with herself about whether or not to kill Chritain and Sean. Personally, I'm betting they kill Julia off tonight as well.
Good old typos by kuryakin	Dec 20th, 2005 07:38:28 PM
What would AICN be without them?
Isn't Quentin the Carver? by DarthBen	Dec 20th, 2005 07:39:23 PM
Umm...now bear with me, because I've been having to struggle to keep up with the show, and maybe I've missed something...but isn't Quentin the Carver? I mean, the Carver is homosexual or bisexual (didn't he rape Troy?) or at the very least sexually ambivalent, as Quentin is (getting plowed by that Soldier boy at the same time he's romancing Julia). He would have access to Troy's personal effects (I'm sure somehow he got his hands on Troy's semen/used condoms to plant). He would have a vested interest in seeing Troy and McNamara suffer. Why else would Kimber have "dissappeared"? Maybe I've missed something, so you guys can let me know.
Most male rape is committed by heterosexuals by kuryakin	Dec 20th, 2005 07:41:30 PM
It's a power thing not a sex thing. Or so I learned on TV
I think the greatest shock... by waylayer	Dec 20th, 2005 07:41:51 PM
...would be Julia, and so I think they might go this route. Quentin's too obvious, and Liz has the psychological motivation, but I wouldn't see it in her (although not a bad choice). Either way, this will be one of the greatest flip-out "holy crap" moments in recent tv history. friendswithbenefits.com
i think quentin dies ... by Toe Jam	Dec 20th, 2005 07:42:36 PM
i'm pretty sure that was him with "i can't stop" written over his lifeless body in the preview last week.
Quentin isn't the Carver because... by MaxCalifornia.	Dec 20th, 2005 07:44:46 PM
...they've been pointing the finger of suspicion at him all season. He's such a glaringly obvious fit to the the Carver that he has to be a red herring. It'd be a real non-twist if it did turn out to be him. Besides, tonight's ep is titled "Quentin Costa" which tell us he's going to be under the knife. Preumably the Carver's knife first, then Sean & Christian's to fix him up. Either way, its going to be a loooong two hours, you know they're going to cock tease us right until the last two minutes, those bastards. See ya at midnight for the post-mortem!
whoever mentioned liz holding on to the sperm, bravo! by Holodigm	Dec 20th, 2005 07:45:16 PM
i didn't even think of that. personally, i've been thinking quentin. i know he's the obvious choice, and ryan murphy has repeatedly said it'll be a total shocker, but almost all the evidence points towards him, along with little stuff like him being a little TOO curious about the carver case when he first meets rhona mitra. plus liz is too round to fit the costume of the carver, unless our favorite rapist suddenly gains fifty pounds. problem with the series is that it was so intent on confusing the audience as to who the carver is, that any answer is going to have major plot holes, yes even bobolitt. there was no way he could recover from his face cutting wounds quickly enough to rape like that. besides, the carver had been doing his/her thang before merrill started bobotox, and he'd have been too high high on the gas to really function enough to make an accurate cut like the carver always does.
I'm confused... by hauptman	Dec 20th, 2005 07:49:54 PM
Didn't Christian purposely make it so the chick who faked being attacked was "awake" during her surgery? Plus, as fucked up as that situation was, the Carver got so enraged after she faked it that he/she went back and finished the job. That doesn't really seem to fit her MO in my opinion.
vic mackey woulda kicked carvers ass by now by dr.bulber	Dec 20th, 2005 08:02:42 PM
and u know it. if its not liz its....christian.
you know what, fuck it, let's run down the problems with eac by Holodigm	Dec 20th, 2005 08:03:19 PM
first off, murphy has also said that it will be someone who has been a main character this season (i forgot about this during my bobolitt rant a few minutes ago). this rules out merrill, jude, alec baldwin, adrien (he's also dead), or wilbur (infant). murphy may be including ava in the main characters group as she was in an early episode, but that's unlikely seeing as how she was boarding a plane at the very moment the carver cut up christian. let's assume there are no multiple personality disorders, so that rules out sean, christian, kimber, and kit; if multiple personality is the case, this show will go way down in my book. back to the non-cut characters this season: gina was knee-deep in HIV when christian and sean were cut, julia was at the altar when kimber was kidnapped, julia's mom is almost always out of town, and her facelift at the beginning of season 2 is completely against the carver's beliefs. as i said before, liz is too big to be the carver, who is repeteadly shown to be skinny, and i imagine murphy would have noticed that in advance. matt does not know enough about medical procedures to cut someone like that, and to say he was surprised to find out he was fucking an ex-guy is somewhat of an understatement. quentin was not even in miami until sean got cut - remember, they had to call him in from out of town to work on him. however, i'll say this for liz - remember also that when she aborted the baby, she couldn't get over the possibility of it not being beautiful. this may all be some sort of guilt trip for killing hers and christian's baby.
Hauptman... by TheRealMoriarty	Dec 20th, 2005 08:06:43 PM
Nope. Christian didn't do that to her. Christian didn't administer the anesthetic. That was Liz. And there is no way... I repeat... NO WAY... that it's going to turn out to be Quentin. Ryan Murphy said to me, face to face, that the Carver's been on the show since season one, and this has all been building. Unless he's a massive liar, don't bet on Quentin as anything more than a misdirect.
"if multiple personality is the case, this show will go way down by kuryakin	Dec 20th, 2005 08:16:07 PM
really? It would go way up in mine. Plus this is the show that had Ava the transexual, a drug lord being given the face of another man on the most wanted list, the Aryan guy off Oz being given tits,all kinds of wacky sex including a fat chick getting fucked with a paper bag over her head AND coming back for more- the list goes on. The show is fucking nuts. Best moment of this season was during the face transplant episode. Doctors did one in real life just after the show aired and took months to prepare, had a large international team, all the specialists they could muster. What happens in Nip/Tuck? Christian shows up at his buddy's house and says "Hey we're doing a face transplant in an hour - want to scrub in?" and Sean says "Yeah let's do it for old times sake" Whaaaaaaaaat??? And you think a Tyler Durden moment would ruin it? Actually wasn't there and episode in the last season about a woman with multiple personalities looking for an operation? Or was that another show? Anyway, bring on the schizo Carver!
hmmmm by hauptman	Dec 20th, 2005 08:21:13 PM
I don't know why I remembered it that way. But I guess that makes sense. The Carver did the exact same thing to Christian... I really don't know. My gut says it is not her either, but my gut hasn't served me well in the past.
kuryakin, you're true about how crazy this show is by Holodigm	Dec 20th, 2005 08:35:13 PM
but that's exactly why multiple personalities would bring it down. after fight club, it's become a cliche to schizoid your killer, see identity and secret window just to name two. and this show has never been about the cliche, in fact i believe a good amount of this show's insanity has stemmed from their devotion to avoid the cliche. but when/if they do something like this, that i see as tired and overused, i feel disappointed. and i know it hasn't been overused, it's just that the problem with amazing plot twists like fight club, sixth sense, and memento, they're so instantly recognizable that even a small number of other movies copying it makes it a tired device. secret window, the others, and more movies are labelled as clones, and that isn't wholly unjustified. i would never put a twist like fight club's into a script unless it was either completely necessary or radically different in its use. why? i know as soon as people see it they're going to go 'pssssh, fight club did it' and never see my movie again. sorry for the rant, i didn't intend to type this much. and moriarty, that's really interesting what ryan murphy said. you now have me convinced it's liz.
If this show was really out there, the Carver would be... by I Hate Movies	Dec 20th, 2005 08:42:39 PM
Annie! It had to be said. Sorry to waste your time. Seriously, I think each victim becomes the next Carver. Don't we all have a little Carver inside of us? No, I guess only Dr. Troy did.
i see your annie and raise you a wilbur by Holodigm	Dec 20th, 2005 08:48:15 PM
he's so the killer. plus the fact that he's black provides for a big enough weiner to make christian's ass bleed all over the shower.
I've been thinking for quite some time now... by DukeOfSpiders	Dec 20th, 2005 08:57:59 PM
...that it's Matt.
OhmyGodOhMyGodOhMyGod!!!! by xavier masterson	Dec 20th, 2005 09:07:30 PM
It's on!!!
Hmmm... by obidawsn	Dec 20th, 2005 09:27:23 PM
I had believed it was Quentin all along...too much evidence. But since the preview shows Quentin being cut up, I guess it can't be him. Kimber was shown in the same room as The Carver. She was writing a letter to Christian, but it was revealed that The Carver was making her do it, and her face was carved. The evidence for Liz does mount up, but since the preview shows her in custody, I'm not so sure. But as for her size, The Powers that Be had someone else playing The Carver all this time so that people wouldn't figure it out by body size, etc. If it has to be someone from Season 1 on, then Liz or Matt are the only obvious choices, unless you consider the multiple personalities thing, then it could be Christian, Kimber or Sean, but I doubt it. I guess we'll just have to wait to see...too bad I can't stay up to watch the entire show...must watch it later. :(
Kimber by BlankGeneration	Dec 20th, 2005 09:33:44 PM
Well, there goes the Kimber theory. Did anyone else think she looked like the losers in Insane Clown Posse?
There's no doubt the Carver is... by Nate Champion	Dec 20th, 2005 09:55:44 PM
Ryan Murphy himself. The mask will be pulled off and he'll be laughing at everyone who gives two shits about this lame-ass show. Tony Soprano or Jimmy McNulty would make Sean and Christen shit their pants with just one look.
OhMyGodOhMyGodOhmyGod!! by xavier masterson	Dec 20th, 2005 09:58:46 PM
He has no penis!!!
"He has no penis" by BlankGeneration	Dec 20th, 2005 09:59:12 PM
So does this mean Quentin is the same guy who gave Bill Murray a ahrad time in "Ghostbusters"? "This man has no dick."
The no-dick metaphor works perfectly for the show itself. by Nate Champion	Dec 20th, 2005 09:59:32 PM
'Cause Vic Mackey said so!
lol by Ben Hawkins	Dec 20th, 2005 09:59:46 PM
No penis. That doesn't rule him out though, could have just used a dildo.
interesting development about quentin by Holodigm	Dec 20th, 2005 10:00:41 PM
but what's this show's fascination with lovers and their lack of peni? doesn't have one, used to have one, not going have one. insanity i tell you!
Didn't Quentin Get A Blowjob From Julia in the spa? by BlankGeneration	Dec 20th, 2005 10:09:07 PM

I think it's two people. by Ben Hawkins	Dec 20th, 2005 10:19:02 PM
I used to think it was Liz and Kimber but now I think Liz and Quentin.
Or Quentin And Kit by BlankGeneration	Dec 20th, 2005 10:20:30 PM

uhoh by Holodigm	Dec 20th, 2005 10:28:17 PM
ryan murphy WAS lying. sorry moriarty.
oh snap by mrgreentheplant	Dec 20th, 2005 10:28:29 PM

WHOOPS! by Nate Champion	Dec 20th, 2005 10:28:43 PM
That kind of throws your theory through a loop, eh Mori?
OhmyGodOhMyGodOhMyGodOhMyGod!!! by xavier masterson	Dec 20th, 2005 10:29:03 PM
twisteroony!
HAHAHAH Moriarty got scammed lol by HavokJD	Dec 20th, 2005 10:29:49 PM
"Ryan Murphy said to me face to face that the carver has been on since season 1"...???? HAHAHHAHAHAHA
Heh by Ben Hawkins	Dec 20th, 2005 10:31:03 PM
That was cool. But I still kinda think there is another carver or a mastermind behind it. I'm kind of thinking Julia now...
ALthough in Mori's defense... by HavokJD	Dec 20th, 2005 10:31:23 PM
I am also thinking it's 2 peeps now...Liz and Quentin....or that Quentin has just adopted the persona for some other twisted reason, and the real Carver is yet to be revealed.
then Kit IS in on it by BlankGeneration	Dec 20th, 2005 10:31:44 PM
because the Carver HAS access to Christian's semen, therefore Kit is the Carver's complicit bitch
Yeah Quentin might have JUST gone wacky by HavokJD	Dec 20th, 2005 10:33:28 PM
And Stockholmed out, adopting the Carver Identity. Julia is a good pick still i think too.
Carver with 30 min to go. by Tenebrae13	Dec 20th, 2005 10:34:23 PM
All I can say is I really really hope that this isn't the big reveal. If Quinton is the Carver, who CARES??? He's a trivial annoyance of a character that was brought in halfway through last season. Whoopdee doo. I still have faith in the show though. I've always thought it should be Julia (even if it's only revealed to the audience), and I'll stand by that. At least for the next 25 minutes or so.:P
Yep, it's Quentin by Nate Champion	Dec 20th, 2005 10:36:08 PM
An imposter certainly wouldn't talk about his plans long enough to enable somebody to foil and catch him!
OhMyGodOhMyGodOhMyGodOhMyGodOh by xavier masterson	Dec 20th, 2005 10:43:44 PM
Gwen Stefani's pregnant!!!
Fuck by BlankGeneration	Dec 20th, 2005 10:44:12 PM
that was intense
you know...quentin didn't mention cutting sean by Holodigm	Dec 20th, 2005 10:45:50 PM
that may be key
15 minutes to go. by Tenebrae13	Dec 20th, 2005 10:46:00 PM
Um, so that's intense and all, and Campos did a good job in that last scene, but again, if that's it, if that's the big Carver reveal, that is fucking LAME. I will keep the faith!
Yeah that is kinda anti climatic... by HavokJD	Dec 20th, 2005 10:47:07 PM
Quentin is a trivial throw away character. Bleh. Still funny that Moriarty was just completely wrong and kinda arrogant in his assertions "Ryan face to face" blah blah blah. ROFL Anyway there might still be a more satisfying reveal...if not, then severely disappointing.
One thing I will say... by Tenebrae13	Dec 20th, 2005 10:48:32 PM
I actually find the Matt kidnapping more interesting at the moment, as you know Sean and Christian aren't going to die. I hope Matt kills that pop though.:)
"Do it." by Tenebrae13	Dec 20th, 2005 10:49:45 PM
Best line of the ep so far.
Do it. by xavier masterson	Dec 20th, 2005 10:50:05 PM
OhMyGodOhMyGod!!!
told ya by BlankGeneration	Dec 20th, 2005 10:53:57 PM
Kit is it.
OHMYGOODDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!! by xavier masterson	Dec 20th, 2005 10:54:14 PM
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Please let it not be Kit by Tenebrae13	Dec 20th, 2005 10:54:31 PM
THat would be worse. Julia for the win!
bwahahahah by Ben Hawkins	Dec 20th, 2005 10:54:41 PM

The two-killer twist was kind of cool... by Nate Champion	Dec 20th, 2005 10:56:48 PM
... when Kevin Williamson used it about 9 years ago.
BTW by Nate Champion	Dec 20th, 2005 10:59:43 PM
You got punked BIG TIME, Mori... you should take revenge in your next script, eh?
Ugh. by Tenebrae13	Dec 20th, 2005 11:01:01 PM
Again, why should I possibly care? They carved up a bunch of extras. Now they're in Spain doing the same thing. That's just awesome! Oh wait, no it's not. They wasted two seasons worth of story for this lame bullshit? If you removed the storyline entirely, what exactly would you lose? What would change for ANY of the main characters? Jack and squat. Too bad they didn't have the guts to make it an actual character that matters rather than a random plot device they chuck in after they decide the Carver is super-neato. Very disappointing.
Yep that blew a dickless terd... by HavokJD	Dec 20th, 2005 11:04:14 PM
sigh
And all is right with the world. by Ben Hawkins	Dec 20th, 2005 11:06:37 PM
Carver gone, Julia and Sean back together, I heard next season is gonna be about the practice again like it used to be. As for the finale I don't think any ending would have really satisfied us after all the hyped build up.
The Carver.... by ScaredCrab	Dec 20th, 2005 11:20:28 PM
Three words: Jumped the shark.
Not Strong by SwampHHH	Dec 20th, 2005 11:27:15 PM
Lame, Lame, Lame. I had a lot of trouble buying Kit as a cop, but the whole ending thing was just beyond stupid. "Plot Hole" is too competent a term. Tenebrae13 is right that the Matt kidnapping was the better plot line. Until, he just came home from the murder and was all "what's for dinner?" The saving grace of the episode, and the series, is that hopefully the writers will dump the Carver and forget they ever wrote it. And take Kimber with them.
WTF???? L.A.M.E. by dr.bulber	Dec 21st, 2005 12:30:04 AM
that was even more lame then i could give those hack-ass lame writers credit for. L.A.M.E. i think they get their material from internet story boards sites. clear the fuckin stage and bring on vic mackey its time for some real ass kicking and you. know. it.
anyone else think it became... by I87D	Dec 21st, 2005 12:56:07 AM
...Wild Things: The Series?
Hell, I thought that this was like Wild Things: The Series from by jmn485	Dec 21st, 2005 01:51:00 AM
That's what got me instantly hooked. ARGH! I need a 48 hour day! And a 14 day week! A friend lent me Season 1 about six months ago and I picked up both sets when the first one went on sale but haven't had the time to re-watch Season 1, let alone move on to Season 2. I'm so ready for the day when I finally get some time off to catch up, by which time I'll probably have owned Season 3 for half a year, too.
Well that was a waste of my 2 hours by AlwaysThere	Dec 21st, 2005 02:09:27 AM
That finale was very weak and I must say that I'm thankful that the Season Premiere and the extended Finale were the only episodes I watched. If not I'd want my life back.
ha ha that ruled by MaxCalifornia.	Dec 21st, 2005 02:11:11 AM
Quentin and Kit, damn that was a nice headfuck. I liked it. Still pulling for a Bobbolit comeback in season 4 though ;)
Bah! by TheRealMoriarty	Dec 21st, 2005 02:19:12 AM
Bah, I say! I spit on Ryan Murphy and his lying ways! On the show since the beginning! Lies! Lies and untruths! I guess the episodes were okay, but it wasn't a mystery, because there was no way to put it together with the information we were given. Bah! Bah! Bah!
I hear that with the BAH! by Dmann	Dec 21st, 2005 02:26:16 AM

Weak by Phloton	Dec 21st, 2005 02:44:27 AM
It felt like something tacked on, as if it hadn't been planned from the beginning. After reading that characters like Kimber and Gina were supposed to be one-offs, and then their parts kept getting expanded, it seemed like the producers didn't know what to do with Kit and Quentin. Kit was the weakest character because she never would've been allowed to do all the things she did as a cop. She'd never be on a case that involved Christian since she slept with him, and she certainly would still be on the Carver case after being a supposed victim. And Quentin's character was completely different from the the really nice guy that was introduced last season to fix Sean's face. And for chrissakes, was there no coroner to pronounce Quentin dead? They can't move the body until it's pronounced (or was Kit also the county coroner and the only person to handle the body?) Even the Carver's story felt artificial. He was introduced as someone who attacked Leslie Bibb in one episode, and it feels like the producers (as an afterthought) decided to expand the character. Why was there never any surveilance on any of the doctors or their families? Oh well, it's a tv show, but I can't help but feel jerked around a little.
Hahahaha by TopHat	Dec 21st, 2005 02:45:31 AM
I kinda thought kit was the sister when she got all dramantic describing the story. Wouldn't it have been hilarious if during her story Christian just screamed "YOU'RE THE SISTER! HOLY SHIT! GRAB HER!!" Prediction for next season's final moments: One of the main cast members is alone doing something and when they turn around ...TA-DA!! The Carver Twins standing there with knives. Cut to black. TopHat. S-U-P-E-R-G-E-N-I-U-S!
oops by Phloton	Dec 21st, 2005 02:45:40 AM
That's supposed to read: "and she certainly WOULDN'T still be on the Carver case"
It was a good 2 hour block of TV. I myself would have went for m by Mr. Profit	Dec 21st, 2005 04:16:30 AM
Anyhow with all the hype, no one would have been satisfied. I'm glad they left it open ended. What's funny though is that Julia is a total bitch. She found out something was wrong with the baby and decided to get back with Sean. Not cool. Also the Carver reveal was handled well, but I would have went for more mystery and a final reveal at the last 3 minutes, that way bringing this storyline into season 4. But I heard Ryan Murphy did not intend for The Carver to become so popular and I heard he just wanted to end the storyline quickly.
Seriously? by dejectedgeek	Dec 21st, 2005 04:20:12 AM
Well...that was certainly an interesting ending, I was thrown for a loop. But for some reason, I was sort of disappointed as well, don't know why. But that doesn't matter, since The Shield starts in 3 weeks.
I know a lot of people were disappointed, but part of that comes by Mr. Profit	Dec 21st, 2005 04:28:09 AM
I steered clear of sites that had crazy speculation, when you do that too much you dont enjoy the real outcome. Because your mind builds up so much shit that nothing would be satisfying. I enjoy N/T for what it is. A ridiculously over the top and entertaining soap opera disguised as a serious adult drama. And they did a good job last night of engaging me. And the whole No Penis thing was shocking and hilarious too. Yeah it could have been better or more over the top. But hey, I'm sure the Carver(s) will return in the future.
One more thing.... by Mr. Profit	Dec 21st, 2005 04:31:51 AM
Will the person who spoiled the ending at FX by releasing 3 pics of Quentin as The Carver and in another pic Quentin as the Carver and Kit next to him be fired? That was a serious fuck up revealing the ending to your high rated TV show's season finale a full day before it airs.
Oh man I missed it!! Oh, wait.... by KCMOSHer	Dec 21st, 2005 04:45:09 AM
...I forgot, I don't give a shit about this. From what I'm reading, I'm really, really glad I ignored the advice of many friends and refused to even watch one episode of this show. Same with Alias. Sounds like I saved myself a lot of annoyance and frustration.
Lame by fiester	Dec 21st, 2005 07:57:52 AM
At least "The Shield" is coming back. Not soon enough. Vic Mackey owns all your asses.
It's going to be like the Orient Express by DannyOcean01	Dec 21st, 2005 08:13:52 AM
Everyone's the Carver, but Troy.
fiester by mikey mike	Dec 21st, 2005 08:20:07 AM
but last season of "Shield" was garbage though. let's hope they fix it this year
mikey mike are you joking? by Holodigm	Dec 21st, 2005 09:04:01 AM
last season of the shield was by far the best of the bunch. it actually relied on kickass action and drama, not just shock moments (not to diss them, armadillo getting literally grilled is what got me hooked on the show). i never though i'd compliment glenn close or anthony anderson, but i was blown away by their roles. and with forest whitaker coming, it looks like fifth season is going to be even better.
Lame, lame and yes, more lame by SirWadie	Dec 21st, 2005 09:15:41 AM
Jeez, I thought Quentin was going to reveal that he was Lex Luthor and how he was finally going to destroy Superman the way he went on an on and on while Sean & Christian were tied up. What a frickin let down...
QUENTIN- by cocolopez	Dec 21st, 2005 09:17:59 AM
-was such the obvious choice. Why all the "Who's the Carver" hoopla and hsi own website and all this silly shit if they were just gonna make it the most obvious cat. Can't help but feeling cheated. I also find Matt's quick changes of heart hard to believe. One week he's happy while racistly defacing religious icons and the next week he's acting cutesy and nice with a trannie. Where's the arc? His character seems a bit rushed from one mentality to another. And WTF? I read in numerous places that Famke and Baldwin were supposed to be back in this season??? Probably just false leaks to throw people off the most obvious Carver suspect. Also- a weak and uninteresting plot seems too brewing for season IV- with Matt's being an accomplice to murder. Yawwwwwn.
Nip/Tuck jumps the shark! by sevadro	Dec 21st, 2005 09:30:50 AM
I love this show, but the last episode was shit and I'll tell you why: 1)The Liz red herring. 2) Kit reveals that Quentin has no penis (WHY? Think about it?) 3) Crazy white supremacist father suddenly goes full blown psychotic? 4) That ridiculous Rosemary's baby dream. 5) Kimber found alive (she's crazy hot but WHO CARES!) 6) The almost cutting off of Cristian's hand (fucking tedious - Is he gonna do it or not?) 7) and finally the Carver reveal - blew your load too quick, Mr. Murphy. Oh wait! Don't forget the wonderful Thanksgiving dinner with the McNamara family at the end. All is good. All is good indeed. The characters know who the Carver is, they know who Kit really is, they're both alive and well and out there somewhere. Let's eat! Fonzie - strap on your waterskis. We're going for it.
sevadro by cocolopez	Dec 21st, 2005 09:47:46 AM
good points. What did they have to be thankful and happy about? mutilation at the hands of a serial slasher and the knowledge that the two perps are out there? Matt's follies? Oh I get it. Sean and Julia- happy again. Bleh.
Over the top nuttiness, but it was still entertaining. by cromulent	Dec 21st, 2005 10:00:26 AM
And if I had a sister who looked like Rhona, I also would...ok I won't go there.
How did everyone feel when they revealed who shot JR? by 007-11	Dec 21st, 2005 10:21:11 AM
I wasn't old enough to give a damn yet. I just caught the last few minutes of the show. It worked okay if you only watched the last few minutes and had no preconceived notions. Sorry you were horribly deceived Mori, maybe you should get a black outfit, ceramic mask, and a knife and pay that lying bastard a visit.
Nip/Tuck hits the reset button... by Christopher3	Dec 21st, 2005 10:47:03 AM
Sean and Julia get back together, Matt redeems himself, and Christian backs out of marriage. Great. BTW, how does Quentin go to the bathroom?
For everyone who thought it "couldn't possibly be Quentin" - by TheSeeker7	Dec 21st, 2005 10:52:13 AM
What a way to play with your head. Wes Craven so heavily pointed the finger at the Skeet Ulrich character for nearly 2 hours that you knew there was NO WAY it could be him, it was far too obvious. Genius. Just when you're feeling that way - whammo - it IS him. So basically they just did the same thing with Quentin. He was way too obvious, and that's how he was the least obvious person for it to be.
I don't know Seeker- by cocolopez	Dec 21st, 2005 11:16:23 AM
Don't necessarily agree that being the most obvious makes it the least obvious choice- I'd saying being the most obvious makes him the CORNIEST choice. It's really not much of a mindfuck at all- just laziness for lack of coming up with something better. Oh yeah- they threw a twist in- his sister and what not. Piss poor twist in my opnion. Show was alright though. I'd rate the seasons as II being the best, then I, then III... Anyone?
"slightly weaker this season"? by John Dalmas	Dec 21st, 2005 11:40:37 AM
This show was abysmal this season. Utterly ridiculous, beyond-melodrama... plots completely bereft of logic or reason, and characters that are only able to snarl, scream or pity themselves. Last night's episode was the clincher-- I'm through with the show --what a moronic resolution. As if Kit would be allowed anywhere near the investigation about the Carver, as if there's no coroner to pronounce Quentin dead, as if any of the retro-conceived motivations or characterizations make sense... crap, crap, crap. And the absolutely most annoying character on any TV show in 2005 is Matt McNamara. What a fucking teenage shitbag. This show blew it, badly.
I love the contributions that read by Bass Ackwards	Dec 21st, 2005 12:22:03 PM
"I don't watch the show AND its shit." Genius talkback stuff. Anyways I wasn't too caught up in all the hype of who is the carver, so the reveal wasn't that hugely important to my enjoyment, had a blast watching the finale, got a kick out of everything, and enjoyed the season as a whole (I will agree it wasn't as electric as the last two seasons, but I never watched an episode that I didn't enjoy), I'll be back for more next year. Until then bring on The Shield!
so was kit really a cop? by fried samurai	Dec 21st, 2005 01:13:31 PM
Thats the part I dont understand.There were scenes with her together with the Miami police.Did she have fake credentials?Wouldn't the Miami PD check that?Or was she really a cop but just insane?
I'm guessing fake by cromulent	Dec 21st, 2005 01:26:59 PM
She seemed to have lost her accent at the pool scene, or maybe I just didn't hear it with all the noise in the background. I guess when a cop from across the ocean comes over for a case, there's not that much checking, heh.
I'd go the other way and guess real cop by Bass Ackwards	Dec 21st, 2005 01:28:19 PM
Just like Quentin was a real surgeon.
somewhere, Ryan Murphy is laughing his ass off. by v1cious	Dec 21st, 2005 01:35:12 PM
everybody's just mad because Ryan Murphy made a fool out of out of you. you wanted so hard to believe that the Carver was gonna be this big mystery when the answer was right in front you the the whole time. i thought it was great how he kept having Kit throw people off, to make it seem more complicated than it is. get over it. you'll sulk a few days, and be back next season.
Sean and Julia - NOT Happily Ever After by Sean38	Dec 21st, 2005 01:46:37 PM
I don't know where you all are getting this Sean and Julia happily together again nonsense. Did you not SEE the look on her face as she was hugging Sean after putting his name on the deed to the house? OBVIOUSLY something is wrong with her baby...something she knows she can't deal with alone...so she's going to sucker Sean into helping her take care of the kid by pretending to love him. Christ, I can't stand the Julia character.
Maybe something's not wrong with the baby... by Charlemagne 2.0	Dec 21st, 2005 03:42:59 PM
... but, rather, something's wrong with Julia. Making an about face and not only accepting the deed to the house but putting Sean's name on it and asking him to live there as well sounds like Julia is beginning to put her affairs in order. Maybe that test revealed that Julia has a serious illness.
Sean 38 is right on... by Childe Roland	Dec 21st, 2005 03:54:49 PM
...about Julia. She's getting back with Shawn because she can't handle the idea of raising a disabled baby alone. She really does suck. As for Quentin, I called him as the carver the very first time he showed up to fix Mac's face. Never doubted for a moment it would turn out to be him. And I figured out his sister was still alive/was Kit the moment she told the docs he had a sister. Yet I still enjoyed the show. I don't necessarily need a twist or a surprise to make something good. I agree, though, that the Matt subplot was better than the actual carver "mystery."
I think it's Charlemagne 2.0, who's right. by zer0cool2k2	Dec 21st, 2005 04:12:29 PM
i think Julia is taking Sean back because she thinks she is going to die and wants him to raise their child(ren). And Mitra did lose her (real) accent at the pool. Therefore, I nominate her to play joss Whedon's Wonder Woman. And it was painfully obvious that Kit was the sister while she was giving out the too pat explanations of Quentin's back story. Plus, how stupid was it that she immediately ruled him out as a suspect due to him not having a penis, then immediately arrested Liz? I was expecting Bobbolit, so I'm just glad it wasn't him. I guess no matter who they would have ultimately gone with, there'd be people bitching about why it should have been someone else. I wonder how drunk a college chick has to be to not care that a guy has no penis? (Not that I need to know or anything, ahem).
I believe we were MEANT to know Kit was the sister during her re by TheSeeker7	Dec 21st, 2005 04:29:19 PM
Everyone's saying how they "figured it out then" or "it was so obvious that Kit was the sister" in that scene. Of course. I think that scene's sole purpose was to SHOW US that she was the sister. Sort of the Hitchcock way, ya know you have 2 people sitting at a table talking, camera pans down to show the bomb strapped underneath. The suspense is in us knowing but not the characters. So that was basically the tension that was to be created from that moment (Kit's storytelling) up until the visual reveal to the guys in New England (is that where they were, the convent?) Granted, I don't think that tool was used anywhere near with such greatness as its namesake (Hitchcock), but nonetheless I believe that's what the filmmakers intended us to feel.
Fucking brilliant as always by kuryakin	Dec 21st, 2005 05:23:45 PM
Just watched the show via the magic of Bit Torrent and I loved every goddamn wonderful minute. The wife spent most of the time out of the room "topping up drinks" or whatever due to the crazy high tension of the episode. Fuck - what more do you want from a show????? A mad serial slasher, his mad bitch sister, maybe a monged baby, Christian finally in love but rejected (this guy has been fucked over this whole series- seriously this guy SHOULD be a serial killer by now) the boy Matt finally being a good guy again but now an accomplice to MURDER - this is the best show on TV. And NO PENIS!!!! WHAT THE FUCK??!?!? Hahahaha I love this programme. Hey I tell you what, did anyone else think this episode reminded them of THE WASP FACTORY by Iain Banks? Seriously, if you haven't read it yet then you need to. A Texan friend of mine informed me it's studied in universities in the USA - I dunno if I actually the novel that much but this episode was so reminiscent of it.... Overall - not the person I would have cast as the Carver but a fucking hilarious and typically mental Nip/Tuck. And anyone who questions the shows authenticity (oh well she wouldn't have done that/in the real world X would have happened) I refer you to my post about face transplants above. BEST SHOW EVER!!!
dunno if I actually LIKE the novel that much by kuryakin	Dec 21st, 2005 05:25:10 PM
was what I meant to say
Kit by Sean38	Dec 21st, 2005 06:50:23 PM
Well, the ending DID explain why Kit is pretty much the worst detective in the history of television.
Nip/Tuck under serious pressure by ClubMixxer31	Dec 21st, 2005 08:04:57 PM
Forget what you think about the season; bear in mind certain groups have forced MANY of Nip/Tuck's advertisers to drop the show in an effort to get the show cancelled. It may explain why the writing wasn't like previous seasons. The Matt/Cherry portion was cool. Matt a murderer now? However I think Nip/Tuck is in a good position now as one poster said...the reset button has been hit. Possibilities: the possible return of Kimber, Kit, Ava or the Carver, Matt is still f**d up & Julia's health or baby.
Nip.Tuck isn't under any pressure cause of the PTC by Bass Ackwards	Dec 21st, 2005 09:14:35 PM
Lil secret is that group is actually raising Nip/Tuck's profile and their advertising rates, Nip/Tuck is in high demand with adveristers and evertime the PTC has scared off an advertiser, all the PTC has done has made room for a bigger, higher paying advertiser to move in - PTC is a big reason why Nip/Tuck now has one of the highest advertising rates on cable, and they sell every second of it.
Called Quentin weeks ago by Strshp2rpr	Dec 21st, 2005 11:49:54 PM
It was easy to figure it was Quentin. 3 reasons: 1) They had to have medical experience/knowledge. 2)The build of the carver and the slope of his shoulders matched Quentin. 3) The Carver's voice had a smoky, lazy, almost slurred quality, just like Quentin. Of course, it was so obvious, that I figured there had to be an accomplice (a la Scream)...I had no idea it was Kit though. A fun, exciting finale. Can't wait till next season. Hope its a little more focused and coherent though.
WHAT A TERRIBLE SEASON/WHAT TERRIBLE WRITING by atleastwebrits	Dec 22nd, 2005 04:48:24 AM
It's been bad "Days Of Our Lives" all season. Characters telling instead of showing, big ridiculous mouthfuls of expository, absurd plot developments. Just a lazy, sloppy ignorant mess. I feel sorry for Julian McMahon. He deserves better.
Holy Unics Batman!!! by Turducken	Dec 22nd, 2005 12:38:04 PM
This was like the dirtiest episode ever of the 1960's Batman. Only they kept cutting between different episodes. In one, the Riddler cuts off Robin's finger and has Batman start to cut off his own hand. Of course, Catwoman, who has a secret thing for Batman intervenes at the last second. And in the other episode, Robin is forced to whack off a transgendered Batman's utility pole. We had traps, peril, and over the top hystrionics. The only thing missing was the slanted camera in the villians lairs. Holy jumped sharks Batman!
carver duh by ag 721	Dec 22nd, 2005 02:19:23 PM
didnt read too much above but was anyone else gonna be disapointed if it turned out to be anyone but quentin as the carver because the show spun me around so many times i actually started to doubt that it was him.
I am Jack's total lack of amazement by lynxpro	Dec 22nd, 2005 04:19:41 PM
Having Quentin as the Carver was lame. It is such a damn cliche to introduce a new character and they turn out to be the secret murderer. Just before he peeled off the mask, it looked like he had darker skin and I was hoping they were revealing that he was actually Jude. Now that would have been cool and would've made for a richer story arc. But alas, they went for the cheap angle with Quentin. When Kit and Quentin paired up in the swinging sessions, I thought they were working together on the murderous spree, but I ruled it out because even then it was too painfully obvious and a plant to throw people off. They should have kept it as that; a false lead. And then to have them end up getting away to Europe just made me think of Hannibal too much. And why does Hollywood try to paint incest victims as villains? Not to mention naturally drawn to one another? Is it an unwritten rule that they all have to act like Caligula? The Carver should have been Christian's biological father (or his mother!). Now that would have been interesting. As it stands, the interesting plot pieces involved Matt's spiral. I hope we get more out of Season 4, and have less of the "fantastic" because otherwise this is going to degenerate into Passions. Which is going to be on SciFi, to my understanding.
ok heres why by wixmmm	Dec 22nd, 2005 04:31:08 PM
OK, heres why ryan murphy doesn't deserve to be 'laughing his ass off' at us all who have 'read too much into it all.' .... i totally understand the whole 'make it obvious to make it unobvious' but the CHEAP part of it, the part of it is when you tag along a story that has NOT been consistent with what we know, or at least the information we've been give. There are two types of knowledge when being told a story: what we know about the characters in the context of the story and what we know about general truths of the world....if you're gonna make a 'finale' and hype a 'reveal' that reveal needs to draw upon those two types of knowledge that the audience has.... the audience knows quinten was a well of plastic surgeon in a nice southern town who developed a drug habit and (WAS GETTING A BLOWJOB AT A FRATERNITY PARTY!?!?!?!?!) ...... now he's penis-less, and a tortured child.....and has a sister who ALSO has recently come to town that has been in his close vicinity and no one sees it.... also, that foursome stuff just makes this whole brother/sister storyline not only hard to beleive, but IMPOSSIBLE to predict.... THAT'S why why it comes off as 'corny' now..... now for the other type, when someone dies in a MAJOR police investigation, the audience naturally assumes that the crime has been 'declared solved' when someone other than a very unprofessional, yet suspeiciously 'world renowned' (and if she's so renowned how come no one picked up on the, her brother is recently in town thing???_.... i'm telling you... cheap ending on both counts.... REALLY disappointed, and Nip/Tuck was one of my favorite shows that i held in the highest regard....the matt/mexican vs tranny/gang chase scnee was exceptional.
We've been retconned by The Funketeer	Dec 22nd, 2005 11:06:27 PM
No way has Quentin been the Carver all along. I doubt even the writers knew who it was at first.
Ryan Murphy is a pimp by Junior Frenger	Dec 23rd, 2005 04:26:50 AM
I would have lied to you too Moriarty, what makes you so special that Ryan Murphy would blatantly hand out the ending of this season to you? Ryan Murphy has misdirected you all!!! Don't be haters. Although, I would have loved to see Vic Mackey go after the carver, but the season would be over by the first episode...still would have been an awesome ep though.
i knew everything before it happened, it was so obvious by Holodigm	Dec 23rd, 2005 05:56:26 PM
from the first moment i saw quentin i knew no one else could be the carver. i knew he was going to slice christian at the end of season 2, and eventually work for his victims. in fact, i knew everything that was going to happen before the writers even knew. i mean, come on guys, who was actually SURPRISED that quentin didn't have a dick? he looked like a dickless sisterfucker before his sister even showed up.
Please explain this... by Fish Tank	Dec 28th, 2005 09:18:58 AM
OK - N/T's last 2 eps are coming to Canada, so yes I spoiled it for myself - I still love the acting. Anyway - am I nuts or did Quentin not get head from that Freshman chick in the dorm room???? Did they explain that?
Explained... by Turducken	Dec 28th, 2005 01:51:12 PM
It was faked. He paid her to do it so he could feel like one of the boys, and not like an old GI Joe action figure (Carver Edition).
Thanks Turducken (n/t) by Fish Tank	Dec 28th, 2005 03:31:25 PM

nobody thought it was nurse Linda? by warp11	Jan 2nd, 2006 04:00:09 AM
Nurse Linda = the quiet nurse with Liz.

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