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Quint has seen KING KONG!

kong shmong by flamingrunt	Dec 8th, 2005 04:46:29 PM
said it again
and llac9 can suck my biggen by flamingrunt	Dec 8th, 2005 04:48:36 PM

I want to see someone brave enough to say they hated it. by modlight	Dec 8th, 2005 04:48:36 PM
I've met some who have. But I don't think anyone on this site will.
Fresh new KONG TB for Ringbearer9 to babble about on... 24/7 by IAmLegolas	Dec 8th, 2005 04:49:16 PM
Great
Modlight I believe they posted several negative reviews yesterda by jimmy_009	Dec 8th, 2005 05:06:25 PM

Bias by blackwood	Dec 8th, 2005 05:14:13 PM
Why the qualifier? Every review is biased. You are judging an artifact based on both its objective merits and your subjective appreciation of those merits. Bias is unnavoidable. I don't understand why you need to be an apologist for something that's inherent in the work you do. Objective criticism is a fallacy. Own your opinion - everyone else will hold you to it anyway.
Anyone who hates it just hates movies of this kind by performingmonkey	Dec 8th, 2005 05:15:30 PM
So suck it.
Nice one Quint by John-Locke	Dec 8th, 2005 05:16:28 PM
I never had any doubts, glad to hear it still met your expectations despite all the hype.
Ebert gives Kong a mixed review by Yojimbo Jones	Dec 8th, 2005 05:16:52 PM
Ebert of the Chicago Sun Times gave a mixed review of the film. "Even allowing for its slow start, wooden acting and wall-to-wall screaming, there is something ageless and primeval about King Kong that still somehow works," Ebert said. http://seven.com.au/news/enter tainment/127486
But in fairness to Ebert... by Yojimbo Jones	Dec 8th, 2005 05:17:40 PM
That mixed review was for the 1933 original.
Ebert review URL by Yojimbo Jones	Dec 8th, 2005 05:19:03 PM
http://tinyurl.com/bjfjd
"I had to really force myself to quell embarrassing crying noise by Orionsangels	Dec 8th, 2005 05:20:47 PM
I'm imagining being in that theater and hearing a grown man weep. It's funny, sorry Quint, but it also gives me hope that this movie is the real deal.
That's Ebert's review of King Kong 33 by Orionsangels	Dec 8th, 2005 05:24:07 PM
You got me all excited for nothing.
I still want flying Kong feces by strongbadmonkey	Dec 8th, 2005 05:25:07 PM
That would have warded off the hordes of people trying to kill him. Chuck a couple of turds of the Empire State Building.
one million AICN'ers just creamed their collective shorts. by indiephantom	Dec 8th, 2005 05:25:43 PM
It wasn't pretty...at all.
I love Frank Darabont. His passion and love for scifi fantasy fi by Orionsangels	Dec 8th, 2005 05:31:00 PM
He's the original geek, grandfather geek.
Quint has SEEN King Kong?! by seppukudkurosawa	Dec 8th, 2005 05:31:43 PM
Quint IS King Kong.
Make no mistake... by Yojimbo Jones	Dec 8th, 2005 05:32:54 PM
"Sure, I was biased the second I wanted to see this movie, just like those on the other side of the fence who are biased against the film." ASSBEARER -- he's talking about you.
Oops I meant - Bob Burns! I need some sleep by Orionsangels	Dec 8th, 2005 05:33:03 PM

Quint dug the hell out of King Kong by seppukudkurosawa	Dec 8th, 2005 05:37:13 PM
hell, he would, this is the man who still insists Domino is a "joy-ride from one end of the country to the other, without stopping to take a piss because nobody pisses while on acid. Point being, see Domino now (and I'm not involved in the production in any way. Well, apart from four or five set visits. And being given five minutes alone in the broom closet with Keira Knightley. But apart from all that, I was in no way biased during this review of Domino). Naw, just ribbin' ya Quint me old pal, keep up the scurvy work, I always like your reviews. There's something effortless and airy about them. I'm glad you liked Kong.
I had no doubt that this movie will be a blast. by Doom II	Dec 8th, 2005 05:44:15 PM
How could it fail? Seriously. Peter Jackson makes King Kong and follows the original movie (aka keeping in in the 30's). Of course it will be great> I like the Lord Of The Rings films. They are not the "perfect Holy Grail" films that some people claim them to be, but they are very good and at times great movies. King Kong will make 400 million PLUS in domestic theaters. Watch.
I haven't seen the original Kong in about 10 years. by Doom II	Dec 8th, 2005 05:51:08 PM
That may help me enjoy this one more. Roger Ebert says "Wooden acting?". Maybe George Lucas directed it secretly. There was some cheesy acting in the LOTR movies, but most of the performances were solid. It's about time for some good digital high-budget monster battles in a movie. I am excited. No fear at all. I had more worries with Revenge Of The Sith, and it was only a minor letdown.
I cried in Pulp Fiction when Bruce Willis escaped getting ass ra by Retrace	Dec 8th, 2005 05:58:50 PM
bastard! sigh. someone hold me. You fags!!
I see that Jackson truly "ignored" Guillermin's remake, the by SalvatoreGravano	Dec 8th, 2005 06:06:49 PM
Yes indeed, this one has nothing in common with the sympathetic and romantic King Econg from 1976, nothing whatsoever. Coming soon - Newton Howard's score with Jackson's liner notes: "James was always my first choice".
i cried in fantastic four when alba turned invisible when she go by dr.bulber	Dec 8th, 2005 06:10:15 PM
i also cried during spiderman everytime kirsten dunst showed up but that was a different type of cry.
OK...NOW BRING IN GODZILLA FOR A REMATCH by zathras34	Dec 8th, 2005 06:11:30 PM
I MEAN CMON...THAT WOULD BE GODZILLA FINAL WARS....I JUST HOPE KONG DOES NOT GET ANOTHER HEART TRANSPLANT....
god fucking dammit when will Mori write his by mikey mike	Dec 8th, 2005 06:21:57 PM
everyone already knows that quint and harry will love it
You object to roundtable interviews on religious grounds or some by Alonzo Mosely	Dec 8th, 2005 06:22:17 PM
'cause I would have taken the free flight/room, asked the most inane questions, drew dirty pictures in my notepad, and have been at the pool an hour later... Maybe Quint has a table phobia?
so... by lopan	Dec 8th, 2005 06:33:26 PM
between the endless pointless hater nonsense and the slavish devotion of Kong fetishists, i'm predicting this will be "pretty good."
Sounds like PEARL HARBOR formula. by Josh Town	Dec 8th, 2005 06:38:47 PM
Way too long of a love story, followed by cheesy action. Critics may tear this one apart. I was hoping for a masterpiece as Peter Jackson has yet to due me wrong. With that said..... I can't fucking wait too see it.
About Kong's believability... by zinc_chameleon	Dec 8th, 2005 06:42:38 PM
After seeing the 4-minute AVI from NBC (and I'm definitely not making my decision about CGI effects until I see it on the big screen) I was sold on Kong. The whole purpose of the amazing VRex fight was to develop Kong's character. It's after he beats his chest that you see the real Kong. He's old, he's tired, he's just had the crap kicked out of him. His gorilla "Get Lost!" to Ann doesn't need translating. Then he hoists her up on his shoulder and we hear him growl under his breath. Again, we don't need a translation for gorilla "I know I'm going to regret this." You should ask yourself which of any five male human action stars have that good a reaction scene after a big battle. I'll bet you can only think of two.
SUGGESTION FOR THE WEBMASTER (Harry): Defuse disrespecful talkba by Psalmolive	Dec 8th, 2005 06:46:50 PM
You would see a 100 percent decrease in arguments and overall disrespectful behaviour. Every talkbacker essentially states their opinion as "fact" without prefacing their message/post title with "in my opinion". Once you take that away from them, what they are saying essentially has no meaning since they can no longer be "right". Cause after all, how can you be right about your feelings on a movie? It's completely subjective. I think this would piss everybody off immensely and intensely. Picture some of the post titles: "IN MY OPINION: FIRST!" "IN MY OPINION: LITTLE BLACK BOOK WAS THE BEST MOVIE MADE!" "IN MY OPINION: YOU CAN EAT MY ASS!" That would be hilarious. It would be like neutering an animal who was harmless to begin with!
no one is going to say they hate this film. there's nothing by HypeEndsHere	Dec 8th, 2005 06:47:05 PM
It's 98 Mighty Joe Young with (at times) better effects. as for the review.... so far, Moriarty is the only AICNer that I believe produces testosterone.
so what happened to the King Kong stop-motion contest? by freak2thec0re	Dec 8th, 2005 06:54:36 PM
eH?
I just hope this film doesn't turn into Godzilla 98. Overblo by Orionsangels	Dec 8th, 2005 07:06:09 PM
Matthew Broderick, ferris bueller style reactions. When he finds out bad news that only he knows about. Worst blockbuster movie ever!
wow - kong experience comes full circle by SunChungFan	Dec 8th, 2005 07:08:07 PM
Quint! Thanks a million for taking the time to share your thoughts! I think your added perspective makes this the best review I've read. Seeing the picture of the original Kong... that's just great! It's like you came full circle so to speak. From seeing the new Kong and then ending with coming face to face with the Kong that started it all. Thanks again for sharing your insight on this film and your on the set reports! You did one hell of a job.
Last film that made me cry.... by Trevor Goodchild	Dec 8th, 2005 07:20:20 PM
Dead Man's Shoes
94% at RT 15 reviews in and 95 on Metacritic by Riff Randall	Dec 8th, 2005 07:29:11 PM
Doesn
So let me get this straight. If you liked the movie your biased. by Thirteen 13	Dec 8th, 2005 07:31:20 PM
And if you hate it your honest and keeping AICN talkbacks fair and balanced. I'm not sure whats more pathetic...the fact that some of you trolls were hell-bent on hating and bashing this movie from day 01 when you found out it was being made...or...the fact that you very same trolls are all going to pay full price to see it anyway.
Saw it last night -- good but not great by Doc_McCoy	Dec 8th, 2005 07:53:26 PM
Some unbelievably cool sequences (especially wih the dinosaurs), Kong looks amazing, most of the f/x shots are spectacular (with a bunch of embarrassing exceptions). But the movie is way too in love with itself. Every scene goes on for about five minutes too long. This movie could easily have been cut down to two hours and lost nothing. And if I'm nitpicking the whole Jamie Bell subplot was a silly waste of time. Anyhow, I still liked it. The audience cheered at several parts. Definitely worth seeing on a big screen with a good sound system.
Doc_McCoy's a f*ckin' hater! by HypeEndsHere	Dec 8th, 2005 07:59:54 PM
sorry, Doc. I just wanted to see what it was like from the other person's POV. i got the same treatment when I put up my review on Monday which is uncannily similar to yours. as are most non-professional-critic opinions.
could it actually be possible that its just a damn good movie th by JiggamanSpence	Dec 8th, 2005 08:05:10 PM
...nah, thats would be impossible.
Real grandeur by Yojimbo Jones	Dec 8th, 2005 08:07:52 PM
Peter Bradshaw of The Guardian gives Kong 5 stars. "This new Kong Kong is a folie de grandeur with real grandeur; in its power, its spectacle, and its spine-tinglingly beautiful vision of 1930s New York, it is a thing of wonder. It certainly equals, and even exceeds, anything Jackson did in Lord of the Rings. ... "There's no cage strong enough for the sheer brute strength of Jackson's movie, a muscularity matched by its ingenuous love for the great beast himself. Like his tiny blonde worshipper, you will be in the palm of his hand." http://tinyurl.com/9qu84
re: RighteousBrother's lack of lacrimal fortitude by howudoinchewbaca	Dec 8th, 2005 08:08:57 PM
Same here friend...let's talk
HOWARD SHORE MUSIC by DumbPunter	Dec 8th, 2005 08:17:19 PM
Does anyone (I know there must be SOME spy/insider TalkBackers on here, and not just a pack of whooping hyennas eager for a anonymous verbal battle like myself) have any word on the DVD or Soundtrack extras that might include Howard Shores soundtrack, or at least a sample of it?? I'm very curious to hear his rendition and perhaps hear what 'creative differences' he and Jackson shared. It must have been rather significant, considering their close relationship...
Good review Quint.. by vinceklortho	Dec 8th, 2005 08:32:12 PM
It was pretty objective, even when everyone knew you were going to love it. I can't wait for this...I love the anticipation before seeing a movie of this size. Plus, this bastard should be great on the big screen.
There's something worse I hate than haters... by Orionsangels	Dec 8th, 2005 08:34:28 PM
If ya hate a movie that's fine. I can deal with that, to each his own. What I can't stand are the people who say. It was ok, brushing it off, like, eh no big deal. To try and bring down the hype for the rest of us. Will you stop doing that! Don't shatter our dreams like that. We wanna continue to ride this wave of hype.
Victor Kiriakis by Kung Fu Hustler	Dec 8th, 2005 08:39:15 PM
Is that the dude from Days of our Lives in the last picture there?
VEGAS ODDS: For all the years Hollywood ignored fantasy genre p by Triumph poops!	Dec 8th, 2005 08:39:22 PM
Just an interesting thought. Can't wait to see this. KONG is one of my favorites and I have a suspicion...a real hope...that Jackson will make me root for him come Oscar night to see the Big Ape rewarded properly.
"...(thanks to to Knowles blowing my cover earlier this week)... by Ribbons	Dec 8th, 2005 08:52:41 PM
[shakes fist at the sky]. "KNOOOOOWLESSSS!!!!"
If King Kong gets nominated for anything Batman Begins and Four by spectrebeeyatch	Dec 8th, 2005 08:57:08 PM
Give me a break! This is another pointless remakes with an over use of fx shots no creativity what so ever. So if this movie does make 400 million I seriously can't wait for the remake avalanche that will follow it.
you stupid fucking nerds by Darth Philbin	Dec 8th, 2005 09:02:11 PM
everybody knows that the movie will be great so shut the fuck up. sure you want to sound all bad-ass and bitch about how the pixels in Kong's left testicle flickers when he donkeypunches the T-Rex but nobody wants to hear you. all you filthy fucking nerds that piss yourselves whenever you hear about what Bryan Singer at for breakfast (semen, naturally) need to get fucking jobs or get fucking stoned and just enjoy the time you have left in your miserable, pale, no-sex-having husks. Kong will make a zillion dollars worldwide and Peter Jackson will win a shitload of awards and probably even the right to cornhole each and every one of your moms and that is AFTER he eats your bowl of western mac for dinner. course I though that the LotR trilogy was shit so what the fuck do I know...oh yeah, here's what I know - pussy tastes good so log off of WoW and try it sometime you stinky bastards.
wow. how outrageous and....(yawn).....in my face. by HypeEndsHere	Dec 8th, 2005 09:05:27 PM

"I haven't cried in a movie since I was a kid (not even duri by Horseflesh	Dec 8th, 2005 09:06:22 PM
That's like saying you didn't cry during BASEketball!
I must say that The Constant Gardener is maybe the most emotiona by moviemaniac-7	Dec 8th, 2005 10:17:37 PM
Seen it three times so far and that final moment when Fiennes is sitting on that rock and the last voice over is spoken, ending with "...Tess..." gets me every single time. Will Kong beat this?
Jackson WON'T win back to back Oscars.. by acroyear77	Dec 8th, 2005 10:27:31 PM
..he may be nominated, though.
I cried during BASEketball... by Juggernaut125	Dec 8th, 2005 10:28:58 PM

That Ebert review wasn't mixed... by acroyear77	Dec 8th, 2005 10:31:58 PM
Despite the fact it's for the 1933 version, he has it listed as the "All Time Greats". Hardly a 'mixed' review, imho.
Ebert - mixed. by Yojimbo Jones	Dec 8th, 2005 10:36:44 PM
Re: "Despite the fact it's for the 1933 version, he has it listed as the "All Time Greats"." Fair 'nuff. So, proof if any is needed that a film with "slow start, wooden acting and wall-to-wall screaming" can indeed be an All Time Great.
Ringbearer9 by Josh Town	Dec 8th, 2005 11:09:16 PM
Without Quint and Harry & their so called "biased" reviews you wouldn't have this kick-ass website, so suck it up and stop complaining.
thank you Josh Town by freak2thec0re	Dec 8th, 2005 11:22:49 PM
there is nothing more hypocritical in the world than someone posting on a website about how stupid said website is. Especially when they do it over and over, day in and day out.
and Ringbearer9, I'm very curious . . . by freak2thec0re	Dec 8th, 2005 11:23:49 PM
what movies do you consider great? I have a sneaking suspicious I'd be able to point out many of the exact same flaws in your favorite movies as you've been doing with King Kong.
Indiana Jones and the Staff of Moses will OWN King Kong! by Hideo Kojima	Dec 8th, 2005 11:25:32 PM
You heard it here first, folks...
I thought the next Indiana Jones movie... by seppukudkurosawa	Dec 8th, 2005 11:42:11 PM
was called Indiana Jones and Walt Disney's Syphillis-Riddled Corpse. Apparently the plot is set five years in the future- the movie starts at an Archaeological Dig that looks like it's set in Egypt but is actually Los Angeles (in a neat twist to Hollywood pretending to be...well everywhere else). It starts off with a couple of Neo-Nazi Archaeologists screaming at each other in a weird mixture between American and German (they don't speak English five years in the future, they speak American), they're air-lifting a giant, dusty casket out of the ground via helicopter. Naturally the pesky Neo-Nazis decided to tempt fate and open the casket. Almost as soon as they open it one of the Neo Nazi-archaeologists (let's just call them Nazicologists to save time), starts coughing. "Ihr husten, Herr Lieber, vat is vong vith you?", screams one of the Nazicologists. "I think I have caught syphilis from zis corpse here! Scheize!". Cue Indy's great, great grandson, who happens to look just like an aging Harrison Ford, and Indy's great grandson, who happens to look just like an aging Sean Connery, spending the rest of the movie trying to travel to the tomb of Akromos, in Algeria, where the only known cure to Syphilis lies. Will the father-and-son team manage to save Los Angeles from the rapidly-spreading disease before it's too late? Watch Spielberg's Indiana Jones and Walt Disney's Syphillis-Riddled Corpse in Summer '07 to find out.
Wow, Quint, you'd think you were an honest guy or something. by bluebottle	Dec 9th, 2005 12:26:27 AM
actually, you are. :) thanks for the review. i can't wait to see the movie and point out the fat douche.
Ya know, Willis O'Brien wanted a sequel in which Kong threw by Angry Mean Panda	Dec 9th, 2005 12:53:22 AM
My point? I've often thought that a lot of emotional emphasis was placed on the original that, truthfully, shouldn't have been there. As has been said, Kong wasn't some noble beast who died a tragic end, he was a fucking monster that wrecked shit and got shot.
Indiana Jones 4 by Peven	Dec 9th, 2005 12:56:19 AM
isn't Callista Flockhart going to play the skeletal remains of a cursed mummy that Indiana finds in a tomb from a long lost culture that was very succesful, for a short period of time, before fading quickly into the sands of time, and obscurity?
No Callista Flockhart will play Indy's whip! by moviemaniac-7	Dec 9th, 2005 01:01:18 AM
TSJAK!
You call that a review? by Mt. Top	Dec 9th, 2005 01:49:56 AM
They spent 200 million dollars on this movie and thousands upon thousands of man hours (not to mention blood, sweat and tears). It's the biggest movie since sliced bread, and you took all of what... 20 minutes... to critique it? What a lazy bastard.
ok by movieman742	Dec 9th, 2005 02:13:19 AM
now that it's out can this site focus more on OTHER movies and not just Kong. I mean, I know everyone is in love with this movie but it would be nice to see some info about other movies. Every day it seems like there is a new Kong story posted. Anyway, I'm waiting till after Christmas if I see this or not. The crowds will have died down and there will be more word of mouth, good or bad.
BASEketball was good! by General_Mortimer	Dec 9th, 2005 02:38:56 AM
But then that's completely off topic! Can't wait to see this. I'll force my girlfriend to come along, but I'll probably have to trade it off with a chick flick. Taking one for the team boys!
Kong was not a monster by Maggie	Dec 9th, 2005 02:50:26 AM
IMO Kong wasn't a monster (although he did wreck shit.) He was an animal that was taken by humans from his natural habitat by force. He didn't chose to go to NY in either the '33 or '76 or current version. He's taken to a strange frightening place and breaks free. It's sort of like when circus elephants go rogue. It's because they're not meant to be chained up and forced to perform. It doesn't make them monsters. Kong was exploited and killed by people when he didn't play their game. That's why it's such a sad story. He really didn't deserve to die. I heard that Merian C. Cooper made Mighty Joe Young have a happier ending where the giant gorilla goes back to Africa in order to make up for the sad ending that Kong had. His daughter was upset it. I always like MJY better because it had a happier ending.
Heartstrings? What the f..? by Missing Dink	Dec 9th, 2005 02:51:20 AM
If I want sappy apes I'll watch Mighty Joe Young.
HARRY- WHERE'S YOUR KONG REVIEW??? by abesapien	Dec 9th, 2005 03:12:59 AM

Chillax abe by Ribbons	Dec 9th, 2005 03:18:18 AM
Come now, you think Harry's not gonna post a Kong review? I don't even know if he's seen it yet, in which case I double dog food bet you that it's playing at BNAT.
Wise up by TheBoyFromUlster	Dec 9th, 2005 03:34:07 AM
Did the audience really clap after the Kong/t-rex fight??? Thats so fucking lame if they did, I mean, just watch the film. I hate shit like that, its a film your watching, not a band that you clap after each song. Jesus, no need! And lets be honest here, even clapping after the films over, who exactly is the receiptent of this applause??.... the bloke in the projector room... the manager of the cinema...the spotty dude that sold you popcorn??? Who knows?? Indeed, who the fuck cares??
I think the better question is... by Ribbons	Dec 9th, 2005 03:42:38 AM
...why do you care? So people clap after a movie, is it the end of humanity? Seriously.
ribbons by TheBoyFromUlster	Dec 9th, 2005 04:41:52 AM
So obviously you are one of the saps that do clap at the end of a movie? Well tell me then and put me out of my misery...WHO or WHAT are you clapping at???
no kong review by emeraldboy	Dec 9th, 2005 04:54:10 AM
could it be a case of twas talbackers that killed the texas beast.
Super duper by Praetor	Dec 9th, 2005 05:33:44 AM
No comment
"It got to the point where I had to really force myself to quell by Trazadone	Dec 9th, 2005 06:10:01 AM
Good Lord, get a grip man.
Harry's still in the theater bathroom crying by I Dunno	Dec 9th, 2005 06:56:57 AM
Anyone who is so easily manipulated desn't stand a chance at the most blatently manipulative movie of all time.
Ok stop with the Indy 4 comments. by Thirteen 13	Dec 9th, 2005 07:07:11 AM
Indy 4 will NEVER get made. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not 10 years from now. Spielberg is too busy trying to re-invent himself into a real filmmamker for the 4th time, and George Lucas clearly proved himself to be batshit insane after making episode one. INDY 4 WILL NEVER GET MADE.
i dont want to see another Kong remake by flamingrunt	Dec 9th, 2005 07:15:42 AM
I think the frighteners is an awesome movie and the LOTR trilogy ae truly epics by which others will be judged against. But due to the oversaturation of the story/concept ive never been interested in Kong and i dont think i ever will be no matter who directs it. (see also Oliver twist, Christmas Carol etc etc)
Spike Lee should've been cast as KING KING! by Mike Nesmith	Dec 9th, 2005 07:21:04 AM
Oh, damn!!! I'm mixing up my "Talkback" comment & topics...sorry folks!
Heh...that's "Kong" by Mike Nesmith	Dec 9th, 2005 07:24:53 AM
Doh! :(
Spike Lee should've been cast in THE KING AND I by Mike Nesmith	Dec 9th, 2005 07:26:01 AM
That makes as much sense as anything else I've posted!
UK Telegraph: "Huge, but also humble, earning every minute of it by FluffyUnbound	Dec 9th, 2005 07:27:17 AM
Realy trolling for advertising dollars with that one, I guess.
So what exactly has PJ said about the 1976 version? Anyone have by minderbinder	Dec 9th, 2005 07:28:21 AM
I'm curious if he really did say he hates it and that he ignored it.
"Why the qualifier?" I assume the posts accusing him of being e by minderbinder	Dec 9th, 2005 07:32:09 AM
That article with the Ebert quote is hilarious. I wonder if they got confused/duped, or if they did it on purpose. It does make the point that the quality of a movie is all about the overall effect on the audience, not a checklist of good parts and flaws.
And now for Some Honesty--Saw It Last Night in Baltimore by SamuelLappDance	Dec 9th, 2005 07:52:22 AM
First of all, if you live in the D.C.-Balto-Southern Pennsylvania market and you have see "Kong," consider the historic, one-screen Senator Theater. Awesome presentation. End of plug. Was it great? Parts of it certainly. The T-Rex fight is really the first truly magnificent moment in the movie, and that comes at close to the two-hour market. And the Central Park sequence is about as magical as you can get. But I dunno. When you computer-animate everything, you definitely lose some of the human experience. Skull Island looks more like a part of Middle Earth we never got to see. The first hour of the film should indeed have been 30 minutes. Why set up so many characters if you really aren't going to do much interesting with them other than turn the majority into fodder? The jump from Skull Island to Kong's premiere on Broadway (how did the few remaining survivors get the beast to the ship) is rushed and more than a bit jarring. This is the problem of pacing that everyone was talking about. So much stuff happens between the capture of Kong and Jack Black taking the stage to introduce the Eighth Wonder of the World--stuff that is pretty important from a narrative standpoint--that the film takes a while to recover. You actually have to rediscover the characters in about three minutes. Even the '76 version had Kong in the cargo hold pounding away and hot-ass Jessica Lange falling in. And that film used stunning locations and not this cartoony, painting-come-to-life crap. And Quint ... ya started crying from the Empire State Building on?! Jesus! And THIS is the first movie that made you cry in years?! You didn't cry at the real, human condition of struggle and loss in movies like "Hotel Rwanda," "Schindler's List," and "Glory?!" My God, man. I said, "My God!" At any rate, good flick. Not great. Deeply flawed. But remarkably passionate. Not let's see Peter Jackson come up with his own story.
Travers the sheep by kwisatzhaderach	Dec 9th, 2005 07:54:41 AM
Anyone remember Peter Travers raving about The Abyss in Rolling Stone in 89? Then other reviews slated it and he didnt mention the film at all in his end of year line-up. What a cock. No sane person woudl employ him.
I meant to say... by SamuelLappDance	Dec 9th, 2005 07:54:56 AM
NOW let's see Peter Jackson come up with his own story.
I wonder how much they paid Travers to get him to lie. Or maybe by FluffyUnbound	Dec 9th, 2005 08:01:39 AM
I bet they have photos of him sucking the Loch Ness Monster's dick. I'm sure he doesn't want the dark secret of the way he likes to fellate plesiosaurs and yeti leaking out, so he wrote exactly what he was told to write. That's got to be it, right? // By the way, in retrospect isn't it obvious to everyone that THE ABYSS deserved a better reception than it actually got during its theatrical release? But hey - we don't need a different example of Travers' hackery, since we have the Kong review, which as Ringy points out is obviously full of "lies". That liar! How dare he? He's a LIAR. A LIAR.
And those guys at the Telegraph and Times of London? LIARS. by FluffyUnbound	Dec 9th, 2005 08:05:54 AM
Shameless LIARS. I can just see them, sitting down to write their reviews, knowing that KONG sucks and that he hated it, but deciding to LIE to us. "Bwahahahahahaha!" they no doubt exulted, while twirling their moustaches. "The FOOLS will believe our LIES! The FOOLS! Bwahahahahahahahaha!" I bet they emailed copy back and forth to each other, each one daring the other to devise a yet more audacious LIE. Or maybe they used IM. Those LIARS!
Sorry, that should be "they" hated it. Not "he" hated it. Unle by FluffyUnbound	Dec 9th, 2005 08:08:07 AM
Maybe there's really only ONE lying reviewer, and he has stolen the identities of all the other reviewers and is submitting reviews in their names. Quick, someone call these guys' editors and make sure they've seen their employees alive recently. All these reviews could be just ONE guy [and a LIAR] hanging out in a Byelorussian internet cafe, submitting reviews with spoofed email addresses.
Thanks, SamuelLappDance by Trazadone	Dec 9th, 2005 08:59:41 AM
The reviews at this site can be very biased at times so it's nice to read a more balanced take on this. I remember reading endlessly about how great Spider-Man was but in the end I thought it was a vast disappointment. It's better to have expectations scaled back a little bit for these "important" films.
wow fluffy. you're depending a lot on reviews by HypeEndsHere	Dec 9th, 2005 09:38:12 AM
you're in for a let down as everyone who has seen it is saying. but hey, pull out the single hyperbolic sentence per review
You're Welcome, Trazadone by SamuelLappDance	Dec 9th, 2005 09:50:01 AM
I guess I just come from a place where "Kong" wasn't that important to the formation of my film-geek soul. I'm actually a bit surprised that with expectations SO high on Aint It Kong News that there isn't more of a "disappointment vibe" now setting in. But I can't fault Harry and his band. You really can't be that objective if Peter Jackson is inviting you to New Zealand or you're an extra in his film. And you have to chuckle at some of these early New York reviews that begin, "I sat three rows behind Peter and Naomi and Adrien and just to the left of Fay Wray's granddaughters who were wearing Ann Darrow's original wardrobe and holding vintage Kong props in their hands. Yeah, sure. That is the SAME experience as seeing this movie in a suburban cineplex next week with junior-highers kicking your chair and the nimrod in front of you spending the first hour text-messaging and the mom and dad who wanted to see "Kong" but couldn't find a sitter to watch their two brats for the four-plus hours this film required them to be away from home.
Wow! by Kingasaurus	Dec 9th, 2005 10:17:34 AM
Now Ringbearer9 is Quint's fucking psychiatrist and mind-reader. Who knew you were so multitalented?
ringbearer9, can i ask you a question? by jig98	Dec 9th, 2005 10:27:45 AM
are you the most popular talkbacker on this thing? everytime i go and post something from my knowledge of movies i see your name all over the place, and i come to this site everyday either to laugh my ass off to hear what people say about these movies or to jump in with them. if you could give a response, that would be awesome. thanx.
Good morning Ringdicles... by Mr Nice Gaius	Dec 9th, 2005 10:35:45 AM
I knew I would find your insanity here. Where there is Kong - there is Ringbearer9. Hmmm, I wonder. And now I find you complaining about Quint's "desperate" mentioning of the particular "FONTS" used in the movie. So, based on your analysis, the movie must be bad because Quint tried to cover for it by bringing up the "FONTS". I see. Yes, Quint's diversionary tactic is quite genius in it's level of deception. You know Ring, you really are a miserable excuse for a Talkback handle. If ever it were possible to become a HACK in an internet message board, you Ringlets, have found a way. In all the time I have visited this site, I have never seen anyone throw so many careless/useless grenade-like statements as you. Beware the Schadenfreude, Ringu. It's a bitch.
I'm sure.. by Kingasaurus	Dec 9th, 2005 10:41:12 AM
...Travers is such a suck up that he likes everything. Or lies about liking everything. I wouldn't be so foolish to assume that Travers will sometimes pan a movie? No? Yes? Get back to me. In any case, since we are all in the PJ-cult (along with glowing reviews written by people who are either lying or can't think straight), it's sure nice to have objective people like Ringy, (who haven't seen the film), yet can not only tell us the film is lousy, but can climb inside the heads of people who have seen the film and liked it and impugn both their motives and/or judgement. What a breath of fresh air around here.
I was itching to see Peter Jackson's date for the premiere by BendersShinyAss	Dec 9th, 2005 10:44:27 AM
Had of been me I'd have brought the old King Kong film canister, The DVD re-release, the bi-planes, and together with that Kong Model I'd be sitting down on the carpet before the front row, going 'boosh' 'Yahhh' As I plowed the toy planes into the Model Kong, then I'd sit back with the Model Kong to my cheek, pointing at the screen saying "I made that. see, thats you. Look what you've become, you're a hit." I'm only playing, lighten up.
"Not just damp eyes. Tears. It got to the point where I had to r by Spike Fett	Dec 9th, 2005 10:49:51 AM
Oh, for Christ's sake. You know, when I was a kid I cried when Kong died. IN THE '76 VERSION. The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think the '76 version is criminally underrated. So what if Kong's a guy in a suit, the actors are good across the board, and things like how they brought Kong back are shown. Plus the feelings Ann has for Kong are developed naturally and believably, going from sheer terror to understanding to genuine empathy, maybe even love. It sounds like PJ borrowed quite a bit more from the '76 version than he's willing to admit. WTF, I'm sure it'll be good, but it sounds like he's done little more than just combine the '33 and '76 versions and added more monsters. Can't wait to see it anyway.
SamuelLappDance, you're hilarious! by Trazadone	Dec 9th, 2005 10:53:05 AM
You're so right about this issue. If I was given the red carpet treatment and watched a movie with the director next to me, I might be a little more prone to believe that what I'm seeing is a masterpiece. Your description of the multiplex is spot on and is the reason I rarely go to the movies anymore. It's true, hype can sometimes fool you into believing that what you're seeing is great. Only time enables you to place the movie into it's proper context. I actually thought Episode 1 was okay when I was first leaving the theater, but that's because it HAD to be good, right? I can look at it now and feel the disappointment that the film truly engenders.
Trazadone... by Kingasaurus	Dec 9th, 2005 10:56:20 AM
Point taken. Which is why I'm so glad we have people like Ringbearer9, who will go in to this film with a completely open mind. Praise Jesus! We are so desperate for hype-killers here at AICN. They're doing God's work, bless 'em!
I cried during a movie just today by BendersShinyAss	Dec 9th, 2005 11:11:59 AM
I bought ET and Batman And The Muppet Movie. My God, Speilberg really hacked up his masterpiece with his 'new man' revision, but damnit, I was a sopping blubbering baby all the way through it. That little mechanical freak just hits me right in the chest, and I had to explain myself to others walking into the room. I can't believe this film can still make me cry even after not seeing it for 20 odd years. I'm keen to see if kong can bring out the grazed knee little bitch in me. (C)Kevin Smith. Revisiting Batman was an interesting thing.... man, that film is just pure class! Good shit! Good Shit!! Chris Nolan/Christian Bale my hairy bean bag! Man they missed the point of Batman. So did all of you!
Watts in Mulholland Drive... by Jonesey1111	Dec 9th, 2005 11:15:12 AM
Wow!
Strategy... by Kingasaurus	Dec 9th, 2005 11:16:11 AM
Glowing review of Kong?: Attack the credibility and motives of the reviewer. Claim that a year from now the glowing review will fade and people will agree with your negative opinion instead. Mentions of anything negative in glowing review of Kong?: Hype that up and use it to prove your point. Ignore the positives of the review as much as possible. Negative review of Kong?: Agree with it and throw in an "i told you so" for good measure. Then take the moral high ground by claiming your vitriol is actually a public service because it's an antidote to the overbearing hype. Presto! We're done.
I mean, the guns replaced with phones I didn't care about... by BendersShinyAss	Dec 9th, 2005 11:19:32 AM
....But Eliot throwing up on the phone, what a little cunt. And dropping the shot of the rifle just before the bike chase bandits start flying..... oh man i thought my DVD skipped. I even took it back and thought, 'Geeeezusss, did Speilberg even supervise this cut, or did he just say 'drop it, it bothers me'........ Oh, and I noticed the mother doesn't yell "There is no way you're going out there as a Terrorist" to "There is no way you're going out there dressed as a Hippy" ? I mean seriously.... ? . I nearly fell of my fucking chair, if I hadn't been so well locked into place with a box of chips on my tummy and my legs on a poof. And to those who don't know what a poof is, it's not what you think you gutter trash. It's my dog who happens to like humping men. So I call him poof.
Ring-a-ding-ding by DocPazuzu	Dec 9th, 2005 11:38:44 AM
Why don't you offer us a smorgasbord of YOUR particular favorite films? Show us all the courage of your convictions and offer up some titles you think are impervious to the same types of faults you see in both LOTR and the for you as yet unseen Kong. You've provided plenty of negatives. Let's see you provide some positives and try to defend them. Try to avoid safe choices like Citizen Kane, Seven Samurai or any unassailable titles you might feel an initial impulse to cower behind. I dare you. I double-dare you.
RE: Travers/FONTS by Mr Nice Gaius	Dec 9th, 2005 11:39:41 AM
Oh, so now you're a Travers apologist? (Why don't you email Mr. Travers and confront him with the accusations you feel so confident in throwing around?) And no, the point is Mr. Bearer that it's not "hype" that Jackson loves Kong. It's reality. A reality shared by a great many Kongnerds. The fact that Jackson may have made a film actually worth checking out seems to be utterly beneath you. And I seem to recall that your reasoning for this started back when you first saw the trailer. You did not like that Jackson used the color of fire for...FIRE!!! And anyone who doesn't like the color of fire is beyond the redemption you hope to find in these Talkbacks.
Anyone actually see 76' kong in recent days? by BendersShinyAss	Dec 9th, 2005 11:40:02 AM
It is so fucking bad. And i'm not being a prick. And I'm not even talking about 05' kong. So I guess this is an off topic post. Eat me. Kong 76' is a steaming pile. I remember being a kid and actually seeing this film AFTER 33' kong (We only had 1 channel and no VHS out in the sticks) anyway, i remember Kong 76' being this masterful, scary as all hell film about a giant ape. It scared the bejesus out of me. Jessica Lanf scared something outta me too, but thats another story. Jack black, now thats some inspired casting, but Brody and Watts? bah! I always felt Kong relationship to Lang had more to do with him being a big dumb fucker of a creature. He was like this kelpie/cross healer that barks at everything, licks you to no end when ever your near, and when you're taking him for a run, he plows into the back of your legs and trips you up over a concrete path which joins a grassy field of prickles.... where you lay in pain only to be tounge kissed by said stupid fucking dog. Oh yeah, my life is one big adventure after another. So I'm thinking about Kong and how they bring him back to Manhatten, and it dawns on me. We don't actually return to manhatten. It's all just a big what if, like in ET how the film is just one big downer, he's stuck on earth, he uses the force to control Eliot into doing his bidding, he makes a pathetic excuse for a communication device, he gets hypothermia (or homesick, i'm not sure which) and then dies like a stupid Frenchman (I have no issues with french, it just seems 'in' to bag on them) So there's this emotionally charged 'real' film, and all of a sudden, nah fuck that, he's still alive and he's going home! Yahh!! Maybe thats whats going on in 05' Kong. They rescue Anne (with the help of some friendly Bats) (Batman 89 rulez 4 eva!) and then thats the end of the film. But wait, the audiance doesn't want it to end there. And the world trade centre aint there no more so he can't climb that. Well it wasn't there in 33 either was it. So in conclusion. I'm sorry for all the spelling mistakes. Good night, some of us have to do shit.
Thoughts from someone who's seen it. by earl of sandwich	Dec 9th, 2005 11:42:35 AM
It seems that every poster on these Kong boards WHO HAS ACTUALLY SEEN THE FILM, has come away with very similar opinions of the film. None of us hated it, we were all kind of dissapointed on one level or another for various reasons (bat gliding and bum sliding for me, god that kills me). But, ultimately, we all give it a loose/luke warm thumbs up(again for various reasons, although everyone does seem to love the triple rex fight). Also, most "geek" sites have come away with almost the exact same opinion as well (Chud, Coming Soon). It's the bigger reviewers who are so closley tied into the industry (ahem, cry baby Quint & co) that are gushing and falling over themselves to hail this as a masterwork. I have no problem with their opinions, if that's what they truely beleive. But when I call something a masterwork, I'm putting it up against some pretty impressive films (Kane, Godfather, Jaws, insert your own fav here). I would just like to see any of the reviewers who are heaping it on, actually mention Kong in the same breath as any of the widley acknowledged "masterpieces" we have all loved over the years. Enjoy Kong, just take a deep breath, let it out, and THEN proclaim it as the most amazing movie in the history of movies where movies can be amazing.
RE: Strategy by Mr Nice Gaius	Dec 9th, 2005 11:45:08 AM
Kingasaurus - that is exactly what Ring is counting on. He is scrambling for the high ground so he can get off the best shot.
Oww, Pazuzu, pick me. look at my arm and the way I shake, Pick m by BendersShinyAss	Dec 9th, 2005 11:46:14 AM
ever see 'Catholic high school girls in trouble'? I'm not sure it's a real film, but the trailer has had me sold for over 20 years.
PSALMOLIVE - I know you are trying to cause controversy on purpo by PORKY	Dec 9th, 2005 11:47:25 AM
Go fuck your mother! How's that for controversy.
Here's the thing, Ringy... by DocPazuzu	Dec 9th, 2005 11:50:39 AM
...Most of us haven't criticized anyone who has actually seen the film and come away disliking it. Your problem is that you've tainted any credibility you may have had. If you see the film and it ends up stinking to high heaven, NOBODY is going to take your complaints about it seriously. From your incessant and frighteningly single-minded posts it's clear that you really have a need to be acknowledged for your filmic wisdom. How does it feel to know that you have permanently fucked up every chance of having your voice respected?
All I have to say is... by Engelhast	Dec 9th, 2005 11:54:05 AM
King Kong plays ping pong with is ding dong.
I remember the reviews for.... by BendersShinyAss	Dec 9th, 2005 11:55:30 AM
....Tomb raider "It's indianna jones with a D cup" ...... HULK "Comic Book films rarely, if ever, are made so true to their source material"........ Batman Begins "One of the years best" ...... Matrix Revolutions "A clear winner." "Unmatched" ...... KING KONG "I cried like a little bitch" (c) kevin smith. now let me sleep, Some of us have shit to do today!
heh by BendersShinyAss	Dec 9th, 2005 11:58:18 AM
King Kong plays ping pong with his ding dong during a sing along while smoking a bong and... and... and.... thats all I got sorry.
Exactly Earl! by SamuelLappDance	Dec 9th, 2005 12:07:21 PM
You got a lot goin' on between the bread, my friend. Putting this film in the same company as legitimately great motion pictures like "Jaws" or "Shawshank" or "The Godfather" would indeed be a tragedy. The tone is all over the place from geeked-out B-movie thrills to pining-for-Oscars "Titanic" moments and the acting and writing just aren't there for three-plus hours. When I emerged from my preview at the Senator the other night, my friends and I mulled around and talked and listened to about 50 others waiting for the traffic to clear (GREAT theater, but worst parking situation of any theater in B'more). And the general talk was like so many other big movies we've come out of in the CGI age. A lot a love for the BIG moments like the T-Rex battle, the dinosaur stampede, and the Empire State climb but also a lot of "It was OK" or "Yeah, that could have been better" comments regarding the pacing, Adrien & Naomi's chemistry, Jack Black's performance, etc. I'm not a PJ naysayer. "Kong" is darn-good flick. But NOT a masterpiece. And anyone who wants to see an Extended Edition of this movie should really just move to New Zealand now. And Trazadone, I think I have had an opposite reaction than you to "Episode I." Disappointed on first viewing, mellowed over the years now having the context of the other two prequels. But no biggie. Gimme Han, Lando, and Luke any day.
You know, SamuelLapp made a good point by Fearsme	Dec 9th, 2005 12:11:14 PM
i'm a film geek, and i cant fault someone for getting emotional... but if you cry over a CG monkey, and shit like Hotel Rwanda doesn't effect you, it shows how badly fanboys need a good reality check.
Don't get too excited by richsmith	Dec 9th, 2005 12:13:44 PM
Having seen the film, it is a LOT closer to TITANIC and JURASSIC PARK than to any truly classic movie. It's fun, sometime awe-inspiring, occasionally leaden and cheesy. It's the kind of film that people will completely overrate in the moment, due to their excitement and anticipation, and then realize in a few months that it's simply a good epic-style film, nothing more.
"it's simply a good epic-style film, nothing more. " by IAmLegolas	Dec 9th, 2005 12:18:35 PM
That's all I'm looking for. It's not the Second Coming. I grew up King Kong, Harryhausen and Doug McClure (starring in) movies, they can't make enough of 'em. And I loves me the P.J.
My complaint is... by Kingasaurus	Dec 9th, 2005 12:18:55 PM
Not that the film is/should be a masterpiece. I haven't seen it. I might hate it. But if the film gets consensus positive reviews, it's probably a pretty good film. I didn't say "perfect". What I won't do is have a preconceived bias against the movie and then pretend the reviewers that like it are full of crap for whatever reason du jour that I can think up, just to keep from having to modify my dug-in position. That crap draws an immediate penalty, especially for a certain person who has demonstrated howlingly obvious biases and zero credibility.
Empireonline gave it 5/5 stars by flamingrunt	Dec 9th, 2005 12:51:34 PM
but then theyre another group of reviewers who seem to be continually inbed with Jackson. I bet the time it comes onto dvd that rating (like the 5/5 rating they gave the star wars prequels) will drop down to 4 or maybe even 3/5
just wait till you see Kong escape the Broadway theatre by Gargamoth	Dec 9th, 2005 12:53:21 PM

modlight, why would you dare someone to hate it? by Samuel Steamer	Dec 9th, 2005 12:54:30 PM
Actually why am I wasting my time with a negative prick like you. Go to a movie and enjoy it sometime. It's very satisfying.
I think it was jst his polite way of telling you you're an a by minderbinder	Dec 9th, 2005 02:01:41 PM

Bender, I remember mixed-to-shitty reviews for Tomb Raider, Hulk by FluffyUnbound	Dec 9th, 2005 02:04:18 PM
Were you in Estonia when those films came out or something? Did the Estonian press give out lots of love to those films? If you remember those films getting the same reception in the press as Kong is getting so far, you have significant brain impairment.
Ringy by blackwood	Dec 9th, 2005 02:15:21 PM
Wow, man. Just... wow. Brain shaped like a pretzel with bites out of it. Remember all, if you don't feed the troll it will die.
A very subtle and geeky nod to the '33 film in the new versi by DinoBass	Dec 9th, 2005 02:47:15 PM
is when one of the crew falls into the Spider Pit, his body is animated to look like one of those old Hollywood dummies they used to throw off cliffs in films. Ringbearer9, we know what your opinion is on things like this, so no need to comment. Thanks.
You know, Ringu... by DocPazuzu	Dec 9th, 2005 02:48:04 PM
...it says a lot about you that you chose to focus on that post rather than the one before that where I dared you to present some of your favorite films and see if they can withstand the same type of close scrutiny you feel films you haven't even seen yet warrant.
Ringbearer9 by Josh Town	Dec 9th, 2005 02:56:43 PM
No offense, but your supposed rationale on DocPazuzus post makes absolutely no sense. Again, no offense, but you've made yourself look like a complete moron.
"War of the Roses" sucked. by Kingasaurus	Dec 9th, 2005 03:03:52 PM
You must have been blinded by the free food at the screening. There's no other explanation for lying to us and saying you actually liked that film. Pfft.
Ebert review rumors by Yojimbo Jones	Dec 9th, 2005 03:10:43 PM
4 STARS. http://www.oscarwatch.com/foru ms/showpost.php?p=279342&postc ount=420
Still going on about the damn song? by minderbinder	Dec 9th, 2005 03:17:20 PM
Let it go already, you've already tried that particular troll and nobody bit. Or at least wait until you've seen the scene before whining about how the song ruined it. And I like that phrase you used - It's not about your hating this movie, it's about your love for yourself for hating this movie.
Ringy baby by DocPazuzu	Dec 9th, 2005 03:24:14 PM
I don't recall you saying anything about other faves except Alien in an older talkback, which immediately drew tons of vitriol from other talkbackers -- not because they disliked Alien, but because you had spent most of your previous posts whining about how "dark" everything was in LOTR and how the "bad" CG was being "obscured" in Kong. I do seem to have hit a nerve, though. Your desire to keep the subject on Kong is very funny, especially considering your lengthy tract on The Abyss and the Rolling Stone review of it. But don't worry, I understand how you were connecting it to the matter at hand. However, my challenge to you in regard to your own favorite films is also very much a relevant sidestep as it serves to illuminate what cinematic genius Ringbearer9 appreciates in cinema and why we all are so woefully misguided in our excitement to see Kong. I merely wish to be enlightened by your wisdom. You've told me everything that's wrong with the unseen Kong, but I need to know what's right in the world of film to fully appreciate your insight in these matters. Please help me.
oh my god. settlethefuckdown. by HypeEndsHere	Dec 9th, 2005 03:26:44 PM
relax your sphincter. there will be no Oscar noms other than technical. maybe they'll throw the dog a bone on the score.
who goes to a movie like King Kong with expectations of seeing a by Peven	Dec 9th, 2005 03:39:48 PM
those are two serious dramas while King Kong is a saturday matinee spectacle/monster movie. anyone with any presence of mind should have entirely different expectations of those movies. and guess what, Shawshank is one of those over-rated movies in my book. the kind people say they love just to attempt to legitimize their own taste. go to the local video rental place and take a look at the layer of dust on the copy of Shawshank they have. its not a bad movie by any means, but to put it in the same catagory as fims like the Godfather, to me, is as bad as anyone putting King Kong on the same list with Shawshank. but then, its all subjective anyway, isn't it. some will love King Kong, some will like it, some won't. the ones who love it won't care there are those who dislike it, and vice versa. for example, i don't care that most people think One Crazy Summer is a lame movie, i'll watch it and love it on a regular basis regardless. it just seems ridiculous that people are debating something on here as if at some point and time in the future there will be a definitive answer they will be able to point to and say, "see, i was right". shit, people are still carrying on squabbles about Batman Begins, as if it matters.
War of the Roses? i think LifetimeChannel plays that on a regula by Peven	Dec 9th, 2005 03:49:01 PM
but hey, to each her own.
Godfather or Shawshank???? by Engelhast	Dec 9th, 2005 03:51:24 PM
I always go into movies like that hopping for 80' monkeys that are breaking shit so maybe I will finally be satisfied for a change. Thank you PJ for making my dreams come true.
"It's not about Jackson's love for Kong, it's about by Mr Nice Gaius	Dec 9th, 2005 03:53:46 PM
Oh my me. Ringbeard, you are a total fool. Troll? Perhaps. But a fool nonetheless. You've done nothing but continue to show us that it's about your love of YOURSELF for hating this movie...which you have YET to see. (Kudos to Minderbinder for relaying that sentiment before me.) And your avoidance of Doc Paz's movie challenge is an act of utter Talkback cowardice. Are you so afraid of mentioning anything that may be deserving of criticism that you had to mention a cinematic scar like "War of the Roses"???
" This is the last time I'm responding to you on anything, T by minderbinder	Dec 9th, 2005 03:55:39 PM

War of the Roses by blackwood	Dec 9th, 2005 04:04:33 PM
...was great. Pissed-on fish. Dog pate. Kathleen Turner, gymnist. Michael Douglas, misogymnist. (SNAP!) C'mon. Come. On. sigh How long 'till Kong, again?
I can't wait to see this... but one question.... by W3bzpinn3r	Dec 9th, 2005 04:13:21 PM
Does King Kong eat a puppy? I love in Jurassic Park 2 when the rex ate the puppy. Every movie with giant animals loose in the city should have puppy-eating. Or did Quint eat the puppy, since the breadlines were too long? Wok the dog.
"If only the rest of us could be so lucky..." by IAmLegolas	Dec 9th, 2005 04:14:33 PM
Unfortunately he/she/it will still ramble on to themselves as if this was their personal web blog.
I can't remember which Kong talkback Ringbearer's favour by seppukudkurosawa	Dec 9th, 2005 04:14:50 PM
(there've been so damn many of them involving Ringbearer after all) but I do remember that Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark came up in that talkback as one of his favourite films. As did The Empire Strikes Back if my memory doesn't fail me. And it's your right as a movie fan to love those movies. I also love those movies, but I wouldn't put them in my top 10- though Moriarty has those very two films lodged right there, so I guess if you're planning on shooting Ringu down for this, then you gotta shoot down one the Head Honchos of this site in the same beat.
by drjones	Dec 9th, 2005 04:29:39 PM
i think this "(not even during armageddon)" comment by quint is quite hilarious, hope it was a joke and i am not making myself a fool. however, i am -giving that i almost cried watching a preview of mad hot ballroom- probably a too sensitive person to judge that. but i was quite shocked by your "i haven't cried since i was a child" testimony. it makes me cry. i mean, i'm thankful for every film, that has a scene in it, that is capable of creating tears. i guess it's a chemical, neuro physiological thing.
After Kong, I want a Jaws remake. by W3bzpinn3r	Dec 9th, 2005 04:33:20 PM
Seriously. CG shark. With the original ending. For Brody - Tom Hanks, For Hooper - Jeff Goldblum, and for Quint - Willem Dafoe. You know it's only a matter of time before someone DOES remake it... Or there could always be the comedy version... with Moriarty, Quint, and Father Geek in the boat, and Harry starts chomping on the stern, with a plastic fin on his back....
"This is the last time I'm responding to you on anything, Tr by DocPazuzu	Dec 9th, 2005 04:34:13 PM
If not for me, Ringmeister, then at least enlighten the other talkbackers here. Judge them not for the appalling ignorance and selective memory which obviously afflicts me. Help them. Give them examples of movies which don't have color correction problems and which display all their special effects in bright, sunny environments. Proclaim loudly the titles of films in which fire has the correct color. Help them understand why you are so right and they so very, very wrong. Think of the children.
Armageddon? Constant Gardner? Crying? A-a-ah! sneezes A Douc by www.valiens.com	Dec 9th, 2005 04:34:49 PM
Just reading that line made me feel filthy and distrust everything else in the review. I'm sure Kong will be great, but...god dman, Armageddon, really? CRIED? I cried cuz wanted my money back, my ear drums, and, I think, my soul.
Blubbering men by oisin5199	Dec 9th, 2005 04:36:15 PM
Well, in the theatre for Return of the King, I started at the eagles and didn't stop til after the credits. It just came and went in waves. Hell, I cried when I first saw the trailer for Fellowship. Maybe the idea of seeing a childhood passion fully realized on the screen the way I'd always dreamed of. At least that's part of it. I don't really get the King Kong passion that this site embodies. I get being a fan, but not the utter devotion to the monkey. But I don't have a problem with it.
"It's not about Jackson's love for Kong, it's about by aikimoe	Dec 9th, 2005 04:49:39 PM
Ringbearer, you've said a lot of negative things about Jackson (the above, he's a moron, an immature child, etc, etc). But you don't know the man. You don't know of anyone he's been unfair to or treated badly. You don't know of anyone who's worked with him and who shares your views. But you still say lots of things about him that aren't nice at all, and aren't based in reality. I'm wondering if you can see how wrong that is. It makes YOU look like you're not a very nice person. I mean, even if you disagree with people about Jackson's movies, I think most of us can agree that it's wrong to accuse someone of having negative personal qualities when you've no evidence for it. If you can't realize that, then you're not a very nice person, yourself. And that often reflects an inner sadness, an inner dissatisfaction. I say this in all sincerity, you might consider getting some help.
wow, a communal movie-crying confessional by Peven	Dec 9th, 2005 04:53:27 PM
the latest movie to bring the tears rolling for me is the Life Aquatic, when Murray and O.Wilson go down in the chopper. now that i know what happens, when Murray says "this is going to hurt", the dam breaks for me without fail, and since i am such a wes anderson fan i bet i have seen that movie about 15 times so far. then, about the time i've got it under control, the jaguar shark arrives on the scene and the tears roll again. then, right at the end with the march down to the docks. damn, i love that movie. no one but Wes can make me laugh and cry at the same moment, and in that movie he does it more than once.
I hope you people realize that the Armageddon line was actually by Angry Mean Panda	Dec 9th, 2005 04:55:53 PM
He admitted to crying in his infamous review of Armageddon, oh so long ago.
Travers by Indiana Clones	Dec 9th, 2005 04:59:05 PM
As a huge Cameron fan, i can authorititively state that, besides its look and technical proficiency, The Abyss isn't that great. Terrific documentary though.
Ringbearer by Josh Town	Dec 9th, 2005 05:00:55 PM
I quote you "I hated THE MATRIX, but for some reason love the sequel, and like the third movie".... You've just lost all respect on this board. Everything you say from here on in means nothing.
Armageddon is a great movie for what it is by Peven	Dec 9th, 2005 05:13:14 PM
again, you can't expect filet mignon when eating at a fast food joint, and you shouldn't expect Midnight Cowboy when you watch Armageddon. take it for what it is, set the i'm-too-cool-and-cynical hat aside, and enjoy the ride. i don't have any problem believing Harry cried, the ending was very emotional, and the montage of visuals, Bruce's life flashing before his eyes, was one of the best representations of a hero's death i have ever seen on screen. so what if the movie invents a new set of laws of physics, emotions don't need accurate science. i have a sneaking suspicion that if Affleck wasn't in it people would give it more of a chance. sadly, he threatens too many guys' masculinity and suffers the backlash. seriously, another Bruce Willis sci-fi funland-type movie is The 5th Element, and it gets nowhere near the ragging that Armageddon does, and doesn't have Affleck in it, and is in no way more scientifically grounded or realistic. lucky me, i love 'em both.
by drjones	Dec 9th, 2005 05:13:20 PM
it's offtopically hilarious to have indy4 mentioned around here. it IS coming ...i sense it. however... i'm not someone who fell in love with big monsters at first sight, when she was 8 years old. i was watching the original kong a few weeks ago on tv and it was an interesting experience (although i was very tired and was very close to falling asleep 'cause it was aired long after midnight) but i like it how jackson is talking about kong as an escapism adventure. i want this film to impress me i gues
Two things, GoatZinger.... by DocPazuzu	Dec 9th, 2005 05:30:45 PM
1) Yes, I find TalkBack to be ENORMOUSLY entertaining, and 2) I really don't know why you're trying to pin Jackson fealty on me. Yes, I have enjoyed most of what he's done so far and I loved LOTR, but can you find any post where I've attacked anyone who has had sensible objections against LOTR? Or how about any attacks on ANYONE who has actually seen Kong? Did I come after you when you had posted your unfavorable review of it? Ringy is a hater of the purest kind. If he had produced negative opinions of LOTR which had any real substance I wouldn't have called him out on them. As it is, he mixes anally retentive analysis of the most laughably negligible details of the films with unfounded personal opinions of Jackson and then uses this ludicrous, pseudo-scientific, faux philosophical porridge of bullshit in order to slam a movie he has never seen. Not only that, he also takes the positive reactions to the film and twists them bizarrely into negative comments. How could anyone resist taking an utter idiot like Ringbearer9 down a peg or two?
KING KONG'S DING DONG WAS SO VERY LONG... by GornPirate	Dec 9th, 2005 05:46:17 PM
THAT ALL THE GIRLS THAT SAW IT GAVE IN TO IT AND DID SOMETHING SO VERY VERY WRONG
DocPazuzu by IAmLegolas	Dec 9th, 2005 05:49:17 PM
You summed it up quite nicely on your second point. Bravo, sir.
"Master and Commander" made my eyes tear up, and not because of by Psalmolive	Dec 9th, 2005 06:12:18 PM
But the way Weir showed and presented the ships on screen with their billowing sails- the majesty, power and grace of those ships- it was fantastic. Also, the shoot out scene in "Heat" brought tears to my eyes, with the way it was shot- with its gritty minimalism, and the sound of actual gunshots ringing out amongst a concrete jungle. It's mostly cinema's formative strategies that bring tears to my eyes, because I love the medium so much. The film medium itself is the real hero, not the story or characters to me.
LOL.... by KurosawaDisciple	Dec 9th, 2005 06:36:16 PM
Ringmoron9 posted the following "I have watched as much of Kurosawa's stuff as I could find, but am not sure I really like the guy." That says it all right there...
"He's a juvenile, filth, shit, and blood obsessed creep." by aikimoe	Dec 9th, 2005 06:47:05 PM
And I can only reiterate that the fact you think so (based only on the voices in your head as opposed to anything or anyone else at all) indicates an unhealthy, negative obsession. I really think you should look into therapy so that one stranger's art doesn't continue to bring out the worst in you.
Ringbearer9... by Josh Town	Dec 9th, 2005 07:43:07 PM
Normally I try to accept and understand that some people just don't have the same taste in movies as I do. But the fact that you can argue in the same thread that Peter Jackson is immature and the 2nd Matrix movie was the best of the "trilogy" leads me to one conclusion: You're an idiot.
It's really very simple. by FluffyUnbound	Dec 9th, 2005 07:52:16 PM
Either due to a failure of imagination when he originally read LOTR, or perhaps because he first encountered Tolkien by seeing the cartoon version of "The Hobbit", Ringbearer went into the LOTR films expecting to see a live action version of Rainbow Brite. Because Jackson didn't put that on the screen, Ringbearer has a vendetta against Jackson. Ringbearer seriously hopes to create "bad buzz" for Kong by this campaign - and thus to be avenged on Jackson. I guess PJ should have known better than to try to make Middle Earth into a real place, and should have known better than to treat LOTR as anything but a set of children's books. In doing so he earned the undying enmity of a fool who sincerely believes that Tolkien's works occupy the same aesthetic terrain as old episodes of "The Magic Garden".
Movies That Made Me Cry: A Chronology by skoobyx	Dec 9th, 2005 08:16:59 PM
Sleeping Beauty (Age 3), The Muppet Movie (That rainbow connection song), Tarzan The Legend Of Greystoke (Can't remember why), Schindler's List (Got all the way to the closing credits but then that boy walked out holding the old man's hand and you realized he was the boy all grown up), High Fidelity (It's just kind of pretty), Garden State (Probably because my Mom just died and I had skipped to funeral to see the matinee)
Oh, And First Knight!! by skoobyx	Dec 9th, 2005 08:20:10 PM
Actually I wasn't crying but the day that came out one of my friends was killed in a car accident and all of us kids decided to go to a movie for some reason and so there were all these sobbing girls in our row and the people ahead were like 'Wow, they are REALLY emotionally involved in Richard Gear's fine performance' This is funny in retrospect.
Armageddon sucked, but was salvageable. by FluffyUnbound	Dec 9th, 2005 09:03:32 PM
If you cut every scene where Liv Tyler cries, or speaks to Ben Affleck in any way, and if you cut the dopey Mir sequence, and if you cut about half the time spent on the asteroid itself [including some of the shittier asteroid effects shots] with what was left you'd have a "fair" to "good" sci-fi comedy. [I admit that the scenes of the drillers acting like a-holes during their NASA training made me laugh.] Armageddon is undone by its "love story" and "family melodrama / weeping" scenes, because they're some of the worst "love story" and "family melodrama" scenes ever filmed. Literally some of the worst. But with those scenes gone, you still have a coherent film.
Quick Question by RowanM	Dec 9th, 2005 09:32:48 PM
In one of the LOTR extra features I think Peter Jackson mentions a restaurant or cafe that sells really delicious sausage rolls. I'm in Wellington right now but I don't have access to the dvds. What's that restaurant called? I wanna try those sausage rolls. I like sausage rolls so I do.
See its like this, Jackson whores by BendersShinyAss	Dec 9th, 2005 09:56:55 PM
You don't really need Ringbearer to tell you that Jackson is a goof of a director who has some strange obsession with poo and vomit and ugly gore, His film direction does tend to suffer as a result. i speak as a viewer of his films from the age of 9 up. Meet the feebles is a shocker. Braindead is some funny shit, but it's not funny because it's masterfully made, it's funny because the blood just keeps coming and coming. It wasn't until the lawn mower on the face and the lead chick capturing my heart that i truely saw something in the mans style. But I really have issues with these types who say 'no one knew how to make lord of the rings until Jackson came along" What a load of monkey spoof. The man succeeded in bringing together a pretty impressive production design, but for the last time HIS DIRECTION, HIS EDITING AND HIS MARKETING TECHNIQUES REVEAL THE HACK WITHIN. But he's a filmmaker and he's got more money than God to make his films... so more power to the fucker. He really is sub par though. deal with this viewer consensus. None of us are blind to his achievements, but none of us are blind to his failings too. and where he failed to this talkbacker was in his entire visionary construction of his films. and now, 3 hours for kong. I just watched 5 movies over the last 2 days and only one of them went over 2 hours (by 5 minutes) and ALL of these films were BIG movies. What gives Jackson the keys to lay a 2 hour film padded with ADDED scenes. I haven't seen the film yet, Stand by for my entire breakdown. How goofy did Cate Blanchet sound in her good bye scene to Frodo in ROTK. People laughed in the cinema i was in. And I'll never forget the collected "huh" when FOTR ended. TTT was sweet though!
Speaking of Armageddon by BendersShinyAss	Dec 9th, 2005 10:00:39 PM
Amazing because it was one of the 5 movies I just watched. So i guess i lied about Batman being the only film over 2 hours. hmmmm, whoops. But thats the point. Armageddon is a champion film. over 2 and a half hours long, and it just keeps fucking moving. Moving moving moving!! And it's loaded with 1 second shots that just keep cutting - making the whole film feel like a trailer to a bigger film. NOW THAT is cool filmmaking. Be it gay and laugh out load worthy when all the American flags and Nasa Cock sucking fills the end.
Merci beaucoup Ringbearer by seppukudkurosawa	Dec 9th, 2005 11:37:23 PM
and you too Goatzinger, I'm liking the new name King Sepookoo.
New TV spot on official site by Riff Randall	Dec 10th, 2005 12:08:49 AM
In which Ebert and Roeper give it "two thumbs way up!" www.kingkongmovie.com
Why are we as Americans so perpetually juvenile? by heywood jablomie	Dec 10th, 2005 12:56:36 AM
We obsess over Luke Skywalker, hobbits, and the big ape. In the same way we cling to a superstitious religion, we clutch at a pop culture that keeps us twelve years old forever, wanting to ooh and aah at the things that wowed us before we experienced pubic hair. There's no doubt a connection between our Lucas/Cameron/Jackson obsessions and the forty-third president of the United States. Why can't we grow the fuck up?
Heywood, can't say there's anything in that post to disa by seppukudkurosawa	Dec 10th, 2005 01:28:52 AM
I thought you might like to check out one of ZombieSolutions most interesting posts on AICN which covers the same ground. I read this on the Domino talkback and it sparked one hell of a furore, but that's only to be expected...who likes to be compared to an over-loved, over-fed fat kid? Anyway, without further adieu we have Zombie here:------The US and Bounty Hunters / Cowboys / Assassins / Gangsters / Fantasy / Good v Evil / Et Al by ZombieSolutions October 11th, 2005 11:10:23 AM CST most people in the US live inside a movie; they live within a self-created fever dream of myth and fantasy which has slim to no relationship to life in the real world. this is why the Bush Administration was able to sell this riduclous notion that the Endless War is a war between good and evil where the US are the "good guys" promoting "democracy" (or whatever) while everyone else are the "bad guys." being a "bounty hunter" fits into this 5 year olds notion of cops and robbers that americans love so much -- most people around the world grow out of the cops and robbers thing, but americans actually GROW INTO IT -- rather than emerge from the fever dream of mediated fantasy, most americans become entangled in the nightmare as they get older. (for an example, watch any US news channel and be amazed at the childlike insanity of it all). furthermore, many people in the US (especially in the red states -- cue dueling banjoes here) don't realize that the western expansion and the civil war ended well over one hundred years ago. in addition, most Americans atill believe that WWII started in 1942 and that we "saved the world" from facism -- even though the truth of the matter is that we jumped in after the tide had already turned (thank you Russia! thank you Stalingrad!) and basically took advantage of the situation. aside from these mass pscyhosises, and perhaps because of them, America loves action heros and simplisitc symbol systems of good vs. evil because we have, at the bottom of our hearts, a deep inferiority and guilt complex. we invaded a land, comitted genocide, and set up shop. we're like children who did something very bad and need to be forgiven. we are not heroic, we are not the "good guys" and we are not "special" (accept, perhaps, in the PC sense -- we are retarded). so, we create these rootin' tootin' myth-realities to sustain us and distract us from the truth that we basically suck and are rapidly approaching total collapse... in a nutshell...
Benders, why do you call people who like Jackson, "Jackson whore by aikimoe	Dec 10th, 2005 01:42:03 AM
I love Jackson. I love what he did with LOTR. I think he's a gifted film-maker. How, exactly, am I a "whore" for loving an artist's work? There are a lot (a LOT) of people who make movies for a living who share my feelings about Jackson's work. Are they all "whores," too? I know you're interested in making films. Did any of the film-makers you DO admire spend time before they were successful publicly insulting and generally disrespecting more accomplished film-makers? Do you really want to be a person who does? Will it help you become a better film-maker, spending so much time calling one of the most successful, respected (respected by his peers) directors alive today a hack? Fortunately, you're relatively young, so there's still time to focus that energy on your art instead of repeatedly insulting another artist and the people who enjoy his work.
ditto by ufoclub	Dec 10th, 2005 02:33:00 AM
by Spike Fett December 9th, 2005 10:49:51 AM CST "Oh, for Christ's sake. You know, when I was a kid I cried when Kong died. IN THE '76 VERSION. The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think the '76 version is criminally underrated. So what if Kong's a guy in a suit, the actors are good across the board, and things like how they brought Kong back are shown. Plus the feelings Ann has for Kong are developed naturally and believably, going from sheer terror to understanding to genuine empathy, maybe even love." Yes, even though he won't admit to it, I think Jackson takes the bits of good from the maligned 70's films of King Kong (which I love) and even Bakshi's Lord of the Rings (a failure but with great ideas here and there)
for example... by ufoclub	Dec 10th, 2005 02:34:49 AM
... the face redesign to a more '76 style.
seppukudkurosawa by RowanM	Dec 10th, 2005 04:04:48 AM
Interesting point of view. Never looked at it that way. In a way it kinda makes sense but I don't think the dream like fantasy state can be pinned solely on Americans. You get people similar to that all over the world. By the way. I'm still hoping for an answer to my sausage roll question as posted above. Seriously. I really want to know.
aikimoe by BendersShinyAss	Dec 10th, 2005 08:11:24 AM
I didn't call Jackson a hack, I was talking about the hack within. I have no real problems with Jackson, persay, just the publicity behind his films. Big difference. Besides, this is talkback and everyone has a voice. I refer to the term 'Jackson whore' in context - those who blieve the man is some film making God. Simple truth, he's not. So in short, my issues lie with the hardcore fans, and thats who I was addressing.
so i guess seppukudkurasawa is you're real name then? by Peven	Dec 10th, 2005 11:02:37 AM
i mean, the grown-up real life thing to do would be used your real name here, right? i mean, pretend names are for kids, just like movies about giant apes and light sabres, and all that good stuff, right? and am i right to understand from the above post that there is suppposed to be a universal standard of "dealing with real life"? do the people who live in the jungles of the Amazon live a life more real than Americans? are they childish and pathetic too because they have silly beliefs and superstitions? just what IS "real life" anyway? what and where can we all find this ideal of people living real life? who is the guy who decided what that standard is? he must have been one smart guy, eh? seriously, for all the talk and bluster, you're no more "right" than the guy down the street with a house full of Star Trek trinkets and a Spock haircut, and his life is just as real as yours. that is, unless you believe in some almighty God who has created some rules that say otherwise.
and i hate to burst your bubble... by Peven	Dec 10th, 2005 11:22:34 AM
...but knowing that WWII started before '42 and that the Russians turning back the Nazis was a major part of winning the war(though,imo, its really the English who made the difference and saved the Russians' asses when they hung in there during the Battle of Britain, throwing off the Nazi timetable, which pushed back their invasion of Russia leading to being defeated by the Russian winter, much like what happened to Napoleon), is pretty basic stuff. anyone who stayed awake in 11th grade history class should know more than that about WWII.
you're=your.......friggin brain fart by Peven	Dec 10th, 2005 01:40:16 PM

"the truth that we basically suck and are rapidly approaching to by aikimoe	Dec 10th, 2005 02:14:00 PM
I think I read this in a cave, spelled out in pictographs. No, wait, it was an ancient Egyptian scroll. No, no, my bad, it was a Roman historian from 1,500 years ago. Or was it Pope Innocent III in 1203? Maybe it was the Puritans 450 years later. No, wait, it was everyone throughout history, and they were always wrong. That's it.
Hey I didn't write that post it was Zombie as I said by seppukudkurosawa	Dec 10th, 2005 02:44:41 PM
and I don't agree 100% with it either, I think that fiction can be more important than reality. I know that sounds like a slow-minded statement but it's true. And no fiction is completely separated from the world it came from to start off with. Anyway I'm fucking exhausted after working all day so I don't really have the stamina to get into this right now. And Goatzinger, once again I completely agree with you there, people seem to lose historical perspective when they deal with Jackson and Co. No film of Jackson's will ever come up to the screwball genius of Bringing Up Baby, the rapid-fire interplay of His Girl Friday, or Bogie's geeky book-worm impression in The Big Sleep... Will anything Jackson ever makes sucker-punch you as hard as Cagney getting the electric chair in Angels With Dirty Faces? Fuck it, will anything he does be as exciting as Errol Flynn facing off against a whole tribe of Commanches in Raoul Walsh's They Died With Their Boots On? Fuck no! People need their escapism as much as they need milk with their toast...it's just a done deal. And Peven...got no idea what you're gunning for here. This is an anonymous internet forum, and if I posted my name it would mean fuck all, it'd be just another Christian name in a sea of Christian names.
Richard Pryor is Dead... by JA_Prufrock	Dec 10th, 2005 04:24:07 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ent ertainment/4517714.stm
Neato! I'm Quotable! by ZombieSolutions	Dec 10th, 2005 05:43:02 PM
in regards to the WWII thing, i was speaking to what MOST Americans think about WWII. MOST (not all) Americans think that it started in WWII and that we (the US) saved the universe single handedly. in short: most (not all) americans did sleep through 11th grade history class! (but they've watched more tv then any other country on earth; hence the alarming level of historical and cultural ignorance.) again, this is a generalization, not the truth for all Americans. shit, i'm an American! (you can tell by my acerbic, sarcastic, over-the-top ranting and raving.)
guess you missed the point by Peven	Dec 10th, 2005 05:48:08 PM
using made-up screen names is just an example of people living outside of day to day "reality", an alter-ego so to speak, and your earlier post was ripping on americans for not wanting to live in and deal with real life. not trying to start anything personal, just a little cerebral debate.
Yeah, But... by ZombieSolutions	Dec 10th, 2005 05:55:45 PM
i don't actaully believe i'm a "Zombie Solutions". i'm well aware it's a screen name. this bears no weight on my ability or inability to deal with real life. if anything, it's like an extended masquerade party. on the other hand, actually believing that the US is a nation of heroes which saved the world from facism all by itself is a fantasy that people actually believe is true. your talking about two completely different things.
Oops, Mistake In My 2nd To Last Post by ZombieSolutions	Dec 10th, 2005 05:57:37 PM
i meant to say: "MOST (not all) Americans think that it started in 1942I and that we (the US) saved the universe single handedly." danke schoen.
See, This Is Why THEE ZONE Is Better... by ZombieSolutions	Dec 10th, 2005 05:58:53 PM
again: "MOST (not all) Americans think that it started in 1942 and that we (the US) saved the universe single handedly."
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