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Vern Claims Zorro Fight Californian Neocon Christian Terrorists in LEGEND OF ZORRO and he digs it!

nice. by mbg98	Oct 26th, 2005 09:04:55 AM
can't wait.
Great review, Vern... by DocPazuzu	Oct 26th, 2005 09:10:15 AM
...I loved the first one unabashedly so I'll definitely being seeing this one.
3RD! by solartaco3	Oct 26th, 2005 09:12:10 AM
YEAH!!!!!!!!
Out of the night, when the full moon is bright... by greyspecter	Oct 26th, 2005 09:17:27 AM
...comes a horseman known as Zorro! Do they break out the old theme song? Dang i used to love that back in the day. A nice review Vern (as in Jules?) right on. i'm there with tassels on...
oh yeah... by greyspecter	Oct 26th, 2005 09:19:25 AM
thanks harry for an intro that had basically nothing to do with Vern's review. stow the politics once in a while, mate
after like 5 or 6 years by Gilderoy	Oct 26th, 2005 09:25:25 AM
who cares about a sequel? Why did it take so long? It makes me think about the Mask and the Mask 2 (although i never saw the second one)
after like 5 or 6 years by Gilderoy	Oct 26th, 2005 09:25:59 AM
who cares about a sequel? Why did it take so long? It makes me think about the Mask and the Mask 2 (although i never saw the second one)
Harry is only so liberal because he allows Hollywood to influenc by Mahaloth	Oct 26th, 2005 09:30:53 AM
Never get the kid involved in the movie sequel. Sounds dumb.
Re: Mahaloth - From Harry by HEADGEEK	Oct 26th, 2005 09:41:37 AM
Ummm... Riiiiiight. The fact I grew up in Austin, Tx - the Liberal beating heart of Texas probably has nothing to do with it. Nor would having Parents that had once been Republicans, and witnessed the political corruption from inside the party circa the Nixon era - which in turn made them morally shift to being Independent Liberals as a result of their disgust with that party. Yeah, probably not. Witnessing runaway inflation in the 80s probably had nothing to do with it. And God knows the amazingly competent current administration has won my heart as they continually fuck up and mishandle... well, just about everything. Yeah, it's all about Hollywood. Sheesh. Never mind the fact that two of my best friends that I work with in Hollywood are Conservatives... I'm working to cure this thinking, and I think they think the same way. But don't worry, I'll save them. Damn Hollywood Conservatives!
Gilderoy by DocPazuzu	Oct 26th, 2005 09:46:51 AM
Well, first of all I think it's pretty safe to assume that there is a tangible difference in quality between the two sequels in question. Secondly, why does a sequel have to follow the original almost immediately? I care about the Zorro sequel and that's really all that matters. I couldn't give a rat's mangy ass if Joe and Jane Average Moviegoer have the memories of goldfish and can't recall the original. Likewise, I ultimately couldn't care less about its box office take after its run. It's not likely to break any records, and I doubt we'll ever see any more sequels, so I'm just happy that they went ahead and made this one. You know, here's a case where a movie has been made where the usual money-grubbing, crass cynicism of Hollywood miraculously hasn't been an impediment to its inception. The fact that an old-fashioned adventure movie of this type - and a sequel to an almost decade-old film, no less - gets made today almost gives me a sliver of hope for Hollywood's future, despite the recent mind-numbing atrocities like The Fog, The Cave and Monster-in-Law.
EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE BUT..... by Ra Ra Rasputin	Oct 26th, 2005 10:06:59 AM
What the Hell is a cornball?
Notice to all of you Plants out there by FrodosBlueBalls	Oct 26th, 2005 10:08:17 AM
If you want to write a review and not look like a plant....see this review. It was verging on the side of plantness, but did not cross the line.
Unncessary Politics in Film Review by MarkWhittington	Oct 26th, 2005 10:37:37 AM
Everytime I see someone interjecting his BS politics in a film review I want to slap him upside the head with a rolled up newspaper. Neocons? In 1860? I had the impression that the folks who opposed the entry of California into the Union as a free state were slave holding Southerners, hardly the sort who want freedom for people like the Iraqis. Besides, "neoconservatism" was once famously defined as a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world aided and abbetted by the Christian right and led by Colin Powell and Condi Rice. Anyway, leave out the BS politics and just tell us about the movie.
Liberal kooks abound! by acroyear77	Oct 26th, 2005 10:39:00 AM
And Harry is intimidated by the Neocons because they are right!
Harry - you're quite mistaken by Dagan	Oct 26th, 2005 10:39:39 AM
Harry - you described "runaway inflation" in the eighties? This is just wrong - inflation in the eighties saw one of the sharpest declines in history. Inflation saw a huge spike during the Carter years - in 1976 it was at around 6%. In 1980 it was up near 14%.(14%! Wow. Can you imagine an inflation rate that high? Why would you save money when it lost 14% of its value each year?) By 1986 the inflation rate had fallen to 2% - just above today's levels. Quite an accomplishmet. Not sure where your "runaway inflation" comment comes from considering the facts - your assertion is actually the opposite of the truth.
Ok that's just TOO FAR HARRY by FunmazerX	Oct 26th, 2005 10:41:57 AM
I've read this site for nearly 8 years, but today is the last day. Bash Bush, fine. He deserves it I suppose. But to called Christians terrorists? Pardon my French but F**K YOU. This kind of "who cares about the Christians" crap from the left that looses them elections. I don't even go to church and that pisses me off. Let's throw 'em back to the lions! As for the Hollwood liberal connection mentioned above SPOT ON. I can't recall ANYTHING political ever being posted until Harry started getting into the business. Sure that was about the same time we started a questionable war but still long after Bush got into office. I guess if you can't sleep your way to the top in the biz you get there the best way how. I've got a lot of liberal friends, conservative ones too but nothing either of them has ever said about the "other side" is remotely insulting and infantile as this. Lastly, I'm sure Harry, who will be doing a lot of Talkback damage control, will say "I'm not calling all Christains terrorists, just the ones in the White House" or some nonsense. TOO BAD. You put CHRISTIAN and TERRORIST next to each other in a sentence. But that's OK because it's fine to bash the religion the majority (majority, like 51%) of our nation believes in, right? You put MUSLIN and TERRORIST on a site and you'd raise a shitstorm. Again, bashing politicians is one thing. To call members of my family, and many of my friends TERRORISTS is insulting beyond words. My mom has never killed 3000 people in New York you pile of dog urine. This site was once cool, now it's reduced to this. If Harry's goal is to piss off anyone who doesn't exactly feel like he does and get them off this site - good job. But bad business. Now excuse me while I remove bookmarks.
Addendum by MarkWhittington	Oct 26th, 2005 10:42:48 AM
A Harry needs to stop compounding the error by displaying his somewhat slanted, igrorent, and biased view of history. If I need BS left wing politics, I'll go to the Daily Kos or some other far left site. Here, I just want to read about film and TV, thank you very much.
Knowles vitriolic rants are intended to incite hatred towards Co by acroyear77	Oct 26th, 2005 10:42:52 AM
Virtually anyone who is anti-Neocon is also anti-semitic, too.
Dagan do you have a quick link to any of that info? by Cameron1	Oct 26th, 2005 10:44:24 AM
Not disputing just want a link.
Virtually anyone who is anti-Neocon is also anti-semitic, too. by Cameron1	Oct 26th, 2005 10:45:42 AM
Hahahahaha, you fucking dumbass. I guess you forgot about all the Jewish people then.
Catherine Zeta-Jones in those sexy period costumes by Osmosis Jones	Oct 26th, 2005 10:47:23 AM
= MUST-SEE FILM.
the funniest difference between liberals and conservatives... by rebel299	Oct 26th, 2005 10:49:05 AM
is their bumper stickers. most conservatives have stickers that stand for how proud they are of their cause. many liberals have stickers that basically say 'fuck you' to whatever they are opposed to. cracks me up.
Sure, Cameron - here's a link to the data by Dagan	Oct 26th, 2005 10:50:10 AM
http://inflationdata.com/Infla tion/Inflation_Rate/Historical Inflation.aspx?dsInflation_cur rentPage=2 ------------------------------ ------------------------------ -------------------- As you can see from this chart - inflation is 5.75 percent in 1976 - the year before Carter took office. It's 13.58% - the last year of Carter in office(what an incredible inflation rate!) It's 1.91% in 1986 - after six years of Reagan. Hardly "runaway inflation" during the eighties.
Harry Here - I didn't call Christians Terrorists, nor did Ve by HEADGEEK	Oct 26th, 2005 10:51:51 AM
If you people actually read the story, you'd find that VERN is referring to the FICTIONAL CHARACTERS in THE LEGEND OF ZORRO as Christian Terrorists as apparently they're some weird order of whacked out Christians - from like 140 years ago... Not to be confused with today's peace-loving Jesus lovers. We all know that in the modern age, Christians are lovely people that don't try to force their ideals upon others by blowing shit up... but apparently back in Zorro's day, they did. So chill out. We're not talking about the Baptist church.
Harry Digs Himself Deeper by MarkWhittington	Oct 26th, 2005 10:58:39 AM
So, 19th Century Christians were terrorists? An interesting view of history, divorced of course from reality and informed, one would suspect, by bigotry and ignorance.
porkysandwich, your comments are fantastic. I mean way to show by Cameron1	Oct 26th, 2005 11:00:55 AM
So you are a parody of SOME idiot christians. Well done quite beliavable but I've never met any Christian quite so stupid as you. Bravo sir.
Uh oh looks like MarkWhittington is trying to take the top prize by Cameron1	Oct 26th, 2005 11:03:16 AM
Maybe if you actually READ was written you wouldn't make such a foll of yourself.
Lay off of Harry on the Christian thing - he wasn't calling by Dagan	Oct 26th, 2005 11:03:53 AM
Sorry Harry - still looking for that retraction on that point.
On the other hand I have no idea what a "foll" is, but then seei by Cameron1	Oct 26th, 2005 11:04:34 AM

The left coast must drool over the replacement of Iraq-ian dynam by DRilL	Oct 26th, 2005 11:06:20 AM

Another "review" tainted by an politically driven introduction by vikingkitty	Oct 26th, 2005 11:13:55 AM
I'm surprised no one mentioned the weapons of mass destruction in Catherine's shirt.
In Harry's World by mistrmindqed	Oct 26th, 2005 11:18:05 AM
Christains are terrorist. Nazis won WWII. Moriarty's kid won't get beat up at recess for having a stupid name. Kerry won the 2004 race. The Taliban are some nice folks. People actually care that the White Sox are going to win the World Series.
this is a fucked movie... by jig98	Oct 26th, 2005 11:20:23 AM
i can't TELL YOU how much bullshit has been "re-done" this fucking year. yeah, zorro kicks ass and antonio "puss in boots" banderas is awesome, but come on!
Harry Here... by HEADGEEK	Oct 26th, 2005 11:23:54 AM
Did I say 19th Century Christians were terrorists? Or was it 19th Century Christians in the fictional movie LEGEND OF ZORRO that were terrorists? Hmmmmm.... As for inflation, I was talking about the price of POT and COKE - that shit went way the hell up!
"I didn't call Christians Terrorists, nor did Vern!" by Immortal_Fish	Oct 26th, 2005 11:25:42 AM
::Looks at review title. Reads review:: Hrm. One of you isn't being honest with yourself.
rebel299's most excellent observation by Immortal_Fish	Oct 26th, 2005 11:27:29 AM
Brilliant!
Lighten up..... by sundancekeed	Oct 26th, 2005 11:30:11 AM
It doesn't bother me if people make anti-Christian or pro-Christian statements in these talkbacks. I'm intelligent enough to make up my own mind about what's what in the world of politics or religion without being either offended or swayed by the opinions of a movie reviewer or the subsequent talkbackers. It's all entertainment, kids. And I nominate Vern for comedian of the year. I get more laughs from his reviews than from any stand-up I can think of out there working right now. When does Zorro have time to light all that shit, indeed? That had me on the floor.
It truly is amazing how many stupid people who can't read pr by Cameron1	Oct 26th, 2005 11:33:11 AM
To all the fucking retarded fools who think Harry or Vern actually called real Christians terrorists all I can say is READ the review then use some cognitive skills and you will find NOTHING to complain about. I assume you all understand the difference between fictional characters and real people? Maybe you don't, perhaps you think all films and TV shows and plays are all real? Good lord you guys are fucking pathetic.
So it's the FICTIONAL 19th Century Christians -- that aren&# by Immortal_Fish	Oct 26th, 2005 11:35:48 AM
So I presume you believe that Pat Robertson was (justly) incorrect when he called for an execution, but it was a hoot when Al Franken recently did the same thing on Today. After all, he's a comedian. He's just being funny! Look, don't be a Dixie Chick. You knew what you were doing when you wrote that hotbed of a review title. This is your site and you have the right. But don't expect not to draw any heat from it. We can have our opinions too.
Well then Immortal_Fish I hope you were defending the everyone o by Cameron1	Oct 26th, 2005 11:38:06 AM
In fact all you idiots who complained about this title reallys hould think long and hard about it.
It only becomes political when YOU make it political. Read the r by Sambone5000	Oct 26th, 2005 11:40:13 AM
The Book of John in the Bible was a book completely about the Apostle John. He wrote it but I don't think that's what Christians remember most about it. Content is important and you belittle yourselves and everyone you aim to defend when you make moot arguements based on the title of an article you DIDN'T REALLY READ! PorkySandwich, conservative most certainly can become liberals and still be Christian and moral. I grew up in the heart of rural Texas and was a strict conservative through the better part of college UNTIL... I voted for current President Penis Smoker and watched him crap on everything America stands for by exploiting a national tragedy and religion to further his own plans to shape us into a bankrupt, Fascist military regime. The Republican party has become a joke and while I don't always agree with what the Democrats are doing, atleast they're more right than the GOP. It's narrow minded of you to imply that conservatives have better values/morals than moderate/liberals. And Jesus was a liberal! If you ever, one day, decide to crack open that Bible you so proudly display on your fireplace then you'll see he spent his life teaching and helping people that nobody else in society would even get near. He wasn't martyred for thinking conservatively, he was martyred for going against everything that society told him was right. I agree with Cameron in that there really isn't runaway inflation but the current administration believes that the best way to solve budgets problems is to lower taxes on the wealthy, which A) never works and B) is the reason Bush goes through so many qualified candidates so fast and ends up settling for cronies to run the major economic positions. Not to mention how much they like to run up the deficit with irresponsible spending. They may not being throwing money into "liberal" programs like art, education, and healthcare but they've managed to rack up the biggest deficit in history, DURING WAR TIME (which is almost unheard of). Harry and Vern were talking about the plot of the new Zorro movie, not their own views of Christians or Christianity. This is a movie site. 99% of what they talk about is film. Read the reviews next time before you comment on them.
I LOVE IT by Godardwhowhatnow	Oct 26th, 2005 11:46:42 AM
I love it when every time Harry says anything political, the same old loony cabal of moral absolutist talkbackers spew self righteous hellfire up and down the page. I wouldn't pay to see Zorro 2, but I'd pay each and every time to see these assholes get their panties in a bunch over Harry's remarks. Oh, and now I see that one of these foaming, mewling imps has condemned poor Harry to hell: "There will be plenty of Harry to go around come supper time for Satan." Is that concept of 'Satan' still around today? Really? That guy with horns, claws, and a pitchfork who punishes evildoers and the nonbelievers for all of eternity in a lake of fire? Really? Oh, silly me, I thought society had moved into the light of reason at some point in the last two thousand years.
And Cameron1, I presume you rally behind anyone using the word g by Immortal_Fish	Oct 26th, 2005 11:54:57 AM
Aquafag was different. From what I read it was the folks unfamiliar with Entourage who voiced thier opinions. Harry had to explain himself there also in a noticeable trend. Only there the explanation made sense. I sincerely doubt the credits for Zorro 2 will include "Christian Neocon Terrorist #4"
The point is that bith were used for comedic effect and some peo by Cameron1	Oct 26th, 2005 12:02:26 PM
Now that's pretty pathetic.
"So you might think the bad guys (who mention Jesus alot but don by DocPazuzu	Oct 26th, 2005 12:07:31 PM
That's the quote from Vern's review if you monosyllabic owners of "proud bumperstickers" are too intimidated by the length of the text to actually read it before launching into your rants. At no point did Harry or Vern call christians terrorists. They implied that the terroristoid villains of the film are some sort of fanatical christian order. That doesn't in any way, fashion or form sound anything like "all christians are terrorists" or even "christians are terrorists", anymore than labeling Al Queda members "muslim terrorists" would imply that "all muslims are terrorists" or even "muslims are terrorists." Actually, if you believe the latter then maybe your myopic screaming and cod offense is more understandable, since it would require a world view consisting entirely of easily digestible absolutes.
Thanks, Vern! by Kauzi Sezso	Oct 26th, 2005 12:11:39 PM
Thanks for unleashing the AICN Republican Guard once again..... ..... Somebody tell these jokers that sometimes a movie is just a movie..... Go take a Xanax and let it all pass....
Christ on a cracker by Terry_1978	Oct 26th, 2005 12:13:41 PM
When you get Harry to start engaging in a flamer war, you KNOW it's gone too far on here.
Wow... by Childe Roland	Oct 26th, 2005 12:16:17 PM
...and here I thought the liberals were supposed to be the ultrasensitive overreactionary type. Vern made a joke about the way the movie appears to be portraying Christians (if I remember the first movie right, Zorro is also Christian, just a different sect than the ones blowing shit up in this movie, I imagine). To immediately jump to the conclusion that Harry or Vern is suggesting all Christians are terrorists is, well, dumb as fuck. Read the review and you'll understand the context of the comments. Oh... and SOME Christians do blow shit up, kids. Ask the shellshocked folks at Planned Parenthood. The holy rollers who firebomb their clinics to try and get their moral point across are no better or worse than the alleged Muslim extremists who flew planes into the World Trade Center. Terrorism sucks no matter what the motivation.
Made me laugh by Darth Busey	Oct 26th, 2005 12:19:30 PM
You had me at "First of all, if you are ever in a Banderas movie, stay the fuck away from church."
Slow day at work, huh? by sundancekeed	Oct 26th, 2005 12:21:38 PM
It has to be for all of this gnashing of teeth to be going on over an innocuous comment about a fictional Christian sect in the 1860's. Seriously, if a movie review gets you that worked up, maybe you should be reading that Bible a little bit more. You know, the parts about judge not, lest ye be judged? That's for the guy that called Harry a Satan Sandwich.
Er...Sambone5000 by Blue_Demon	Oct 26th, 2005 12:28:34 PM
Jesus was not a liberal. I hear that junk all the time. He was a devout follower of the Torah. He believed in marriage between a man and a woman, told of the death penalty in one of his parables and even instructed his followers to "Sell their garment and buy a sword." Hardly the hippy pacifist some people love portraying him as.
Sambone5000 - You're wrong about some things, too... by Dagan	Oct 26th, 2005 12:30:52 PM
Too many to list here, so I'll just pull out some obvious ones that are quick and easy to refute from your post: ------------------------------ - "Lowering taxes on the wealthy". Propaganda, and simply wrong. The Bush tax cuts cut taxes ACROSS THE BOARD. Meaning that EVERYBODY WHO PAYS TAXES GOT A TAX CUT. Every single tax bracket was lowered. Not just "the wealthy". In fact, the wealthy's share of the tax burden has actually gone UP after the Bush tax cut. Before the Bush tax cut, the wealthiest 10% of income earners were paying 64% of our nation's tax burden. Today, after the across-the-board tax cuts, they are paying 67%! MORE of the share of the nation's tax burden. Saying that Bush "lowered taxes only for the wealthy" is not just wrong, it's embarassingly wrong - and shows you've bought the Democrat propaganda hook, line and sinker. ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ----------------And tax cuts have ALWAYS worked. After the Bush tax cuts, we are now getting MORE revenue than before them, due to the increased economic activity that tax cuts invariably bring. Our deficit is now lower than was expected because of this increased revenue. This has happened every time there's been a major tax cut. And Democrats used to believe this! Kennedy cut taxes across the board, too - by a much larger margin - 20% HIs reasoning was to spur economic activity and INCREASE revenue. And that's exactly what happened. You'd think a 20% across the board tax cut would cause a 20% decrease in revenue. Didn't happen. Our revenue INCREASED due to more economic activity and more taxes being paid. The same thing happened with Reagan's across the board tax cut. He cut taxes by 30% - and revenues DOUBLED as a result - coming from the economic explosion as a result of the tax cuts. There have been four major tax cuts in the past 100 years, and this has happened every single time. Tax cuts have been PROVEN to work, over and over again, exactly as Conservatives say. The numbers tell the story, despite the propaganda from the left. ------------------------------ ------------------------------ -----------------War time is actually a traditional time to rack up a deficit. We did this during the Cold War and during World War II. The increased spending causes deficits. And I agree - Bush IS recklessly spending. But you are wrong, most of his increased spending has come in the form of LIBERAL programs. Aside from the major issues of tax cuts and the War on Terror, Bush has governed like a liberal, without a doubt - he has spent more on social programs than any other President since LBJ. Here's just some of the liberal things Bush has done: 1. He let Ted Kennedy write the Education Bill, federalizing Education and increasing spending on it over 50% in just four years, whereas Bill Clinton only increased spending on it 30% in his eight years in office. 2. He applied steel tarrifs. 3. He signed the unconstitutional(and completely ineffective thanks to 527s) Campaign Finance reform bill. 4. He signed Tom Daschle's Farm Bill hand out. 5. He gave us the new Medicare Prescription Drug program - the largest new entitlement program since LBJ. 5. He has increased spending on "anti-poverty" programs over 170% over where they were during the Clinton years. 6. He has done absolutley nothing on illegal immigration - leaving the open borders the liberals have always asked for. 7. Funding for the National Endowment for the Arts has INCREASED. And on and on and on - In fact, Bush HAS thrown money into the Arts(NEA), Education(more increased spending than Clinton), and Healthcare(a whole new entitlement program for Medicare) - so your line of attack is completely baseless and shows you know little beyond what Michael Moore tells you. In fact, the funny thing is that Bush has accomplished far more "liberal" initiatives and spending on programs than Clinton ever did, but liberals are too ignorant and/or too obsessed with Bush hatred to even realize it. And by the way, I oppose all these spending measures as wasteful and harmful----------------------- ------------------------------ ------------------------- As for our debt - as a percentage of GDP(the real measure), it is only at an average historical level. Also, Democrats talk a big game about "the deficit", but they do nothing about it. Just yesterday, Republicans in the Finance committe FINALLY heard their Constituents and proposed to cut $10 billion of fat from the budget - a very small amount, considering our budget this year is $2.6 TRILLION. The vote was 11 to 9 in committe - EVERY DEMOCRAT VOTED AGAINST IT, AND EVERY REPUBLICAN VOTED FOR IT. So, as you can see, the Democrats whine and moan about the deficit, but they don't put their money where their mouth is when it comes time to do anything about it - they won't even agree to cutting a paltry $10 billion from our bloated yearly budget. Pathetic.
So Lincoln was in it? by DigitalDong	Oct 26th, 2005 12:33:56 PM
Was this before or after he launched the ATHF to the moon on a wooden rocket? Plus this reminds me of the great debate we had in the first Zorro wether or not Zeta-Jone's character was the reason Hopkins character bought the farm. Ah the memories. I might go see this for a late 90's flashback.
Can we get a moment of silence for William Hootkins? by Doc_Strange	Oct 26th, 2005 12:37:35 PM
Porkins from Star Wars and the army intelligence guy from Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Eckhardt from Batman 89. How come he didn't get an obit on here? Surprising.
Dammit Harry killed my Zorro boner.... by _Kayser_	Oct 26th, 2005 12:42:09 PM
with his shallow politics. Just enjoy the movie, bitches!
Jesus was not a liberal- I agree 100%, Blue Demon by Godardwhowhatnow	Oct 26th, 2005 12:50:09 PM
I agree completely. He did ask his followers to sell their clothing and buy a sword, and he referenced the death penalty as an acceptable measure. He also advocated that his followers abandon their families to follow him, and he even turned his back on his own mother at one point (saying to his disciples, 'you are my family now'). He famously said, "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword." In another fan favorite, after approaching a barren fig tree and hoping to get some fig action, jesus gets so upset that he condemns the fig tree to death. But the real kicker is in Luke 19:27, when jesus says "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me". Yowch! Nope, not a liberal. I could think of a lot of interesting adjectives to describe Jesus, and liberal would certainly not be one of them.
For a writer Vern should learn to spell - by Barney Hood	Oct 26th, 2005 12:57:53 PM
Its web SITE, not SIGHT!
The sword" in the "not peace/sword" Bible verse is... by mysteryperfecta	Oct 26th, 2005 01:01:36 PM
...figurative. Read the verse in context. He's talking about the divisive nature of his message.
"the difference between fictional characters and real people" by eraser_x	Oct 26th, 2005 01:05:20 PM
What!? Harry and Cameron1, are you guys saying the historical document named "Legend of Zorro" is not real?! By Grabthar's hammer, I suppose you also think "Galaxy Quest" is, ahem, "fictional"?!?!?!! What a couple of loons you are!
Holy monkey by brainedchild	Oct 26th, 2005 01:06:21 PM
that was funny. Vern should do every review
Godardwhowathnow by Dagan	Oct 26th, 2005 01:06:38 PM
You must read a lot of left-wing anti-Christian sites, but you sure don't read the Bible in context. The things you're quoting are from parables Jesus told, and had historical linkings to old stories and parallel occurances taking place at the time. Reading the Parable of the Pounds in context does not produce the result you're after when quoting out that one line. But good try.
"If he knew his dad was Zorro he would probaly rebel by never do by SnowMann	Oct 26th, 2005 01:16:51 PM
Vern is a funny man.
Dagan by DrJerkass	Oct 26th, 2005 01:18:29 PM
Wow. You do a lot of research to impress geeks. Do you spend the rest of your day explaining the art of war to people over the Halo headsets. Way to put what sound like good debate skills to waste in a Zorro 2 talkback.
The majority of today's Christians may not be terrorists... by Some Dude	Oct 26th, 2005 01:23:58 PM
...but apparently they still can't read very well.
I'm just really disappointed that there's no Abe Lincoln by themikejonas	Oct 26th, 2005 01:35:43 PM
I'd definitely go to see a movie where Abe rolls up his sleeves and kicks some ass.
Zorro only belongs in one kind of movie... by Josh Town	Oct 26th, 2005 01:38:53 PM
A porn movie. Him and that long sword of his.
Dagan: Parable of Pounds by Godardwhowhatnow	Oct 26th, 2005 01:46:01 PM
Context, eh? I'm really glad you brought up the parable of pounds, Dagan. Maybe we can have a more in-depth discussion about it, because it truly is one of the more disturbing aspects of the new testament. In the parable, after a nobleman (obviously meant to represent Jesus) returns from a far away kingdom (heaven) to collect pounds from his servants, he rewards and chastises his servants accordingly. After he is finished chastising a servant for fearfully protecting pounds without putting them to good use, he goes on that final rant about the enemies and the slaying and the egomaniacal
Vern is awesome! by TarsTarkas.NET	Oct 26th, 2005 01:51:26 PM
Another winning review from Vern! And the fact a bunch of crybaby conservatives had their perpetual persecution complexes activated is just icing on the cake.
Harry just fucks up sometimes. by Neo Wolf	Oct 26th, 2005 01:54:37 PM
People,people,To the christians here like me lets just chill for a second,i know what harry said was a bit ignorant but i truly believe it was not his intention that his comments came out that way,i thinkhe just tried to be a bit funny but it came out the wrong way,i know ive said some jokes that have come out the wrong way.
Neo Wolf by DocPazuzu	Oct 26th, 2005 02:00:43 PM
No, it didn't come out the wrong way, it was READ the wrong way. Harry's not to blame for the shrill alarmism in this TalkBack.
Harry is like most typical self righteous liberals by Thirteen 13	Oct 26th, 2005 02:04:47 PM
They almost can't do or say nearly anything without somehow, someway, figuring out a way to insert politics into it. Just read his reviews ( or actually thats one of 17 reasons why I stopped reading them a while ago) He can baely write anything without comparing it to the current administration or inserting some kind of political note. and as far as his two conservative friends. Liberals are only friends with moderates who lean slightly to the left. To them, thats a conservative. Anything else right of that and your a NAZI.
Harry, why do you have to inject politics into these reviews? by Prince of Space	Oct 26th, 2005 02:14:46 PM
Even if your just forwarding inflammatory comments from one of your reviewers (note: NOT asking you to censor, just trying to understand your motivation), time after time we get the same results--90% of the posted comments are devoted to an issue peripheral to the main thrust of the article. I know its kitch to rail on conservatives (or Neocons for those who are attempting to label people they disagree with as NEO-nazis and CON artists) if you happen to be a part of the hollywood elite or affiliated with it to the point of becomming de rigueur. But these back-and-forth ranting and diatribes that litter the talkback serves no identifiable purpose other than to portray this site as catering to political hacks (namely, those on the left). I'm not tyring to tell you how to run your site or what you should or should not censor. However, I can tell you that as someone who enjoys movie news and related items, I find myself frequenting this site less and less.
yay for Harry! by jrbarker	Oct 26th, 2005 02:16:48 PM
speak your mind brother!
A baker's dozen American dollars... by Childe Roland	Oct 26th, 2005 02:22:16 PM
...to whomever can guess Thirteen 13's age based on the content, grammar and syntax of his last post. Believe it or not, liberals and conservatives and moderates can be friendly in social settings if they adhere to the basic rules of decorum, which dictate that religion and politics are better left off the table when drinks are placed upon it. Hell, I enjoy a healthy governmental or theological debate with just about anyone who leans one way or the other on their philosophical teeter totter. But if there's booze involved, I'd just as soon stick to quoting the Simpsons (for the classicists) or Family Guy (for the post modernists). You can also usually talk movies pretty harmlessly while drinking, unless those movies have strong political undertones (like The Frighteners or Inspector Gadget). That's the problem with all of you guys who are so riled up over this review and Harry's politics. You're clearly drunk (or pre-pubescent).
Ah shit, I knew I should've left that paragraph out by Vern	Oct 26th, 2005 02:38:11 PM
The point I was trying to make was that people like Michael Medved and some of the angry people in this talkback might find some symbolism in this that they will like because you could compare the California constitution that is a big part of the plot to the recently ratified Iraq constitution. But on the other hand somebody like me or Harry might compare the bad guys to the Dick Cheney Nightmare Squad, like I did in the review and Harry did in the introduction. So whatever ridiculous notions you have about the world you will probaly think Zorro agrees with you. The only reason I brought christianity into it is because one of the bad guys always preaches christianity while not practicing it, I saw that as a possible metaphor for Islamic terrorists who do the same to their religion. Zorro himself is very religious, he has the padre as his commissioner Gordo, he hides out in the church, and at one point he comes and screams at a statue of the virgin Mary for guidance. But he doesn't going around spouting Bible verses at people while trying to kill them. Anyway that's all I was trying to say with that one paragraph of my review and now I regret it because honestly I can't stand that I have upset a bunch of crazy people who are afraid of Al Franken. That tears up my heart. Now excuse me I gotta go prepare for my patriotic Indictment Day fireworks display.
Anthony Hopkins by flossygomez	Oct 26th, 2005 03:24:42 PM
He made this movie good. No Anthony, me no see. I find it funny that the United States pretty much ass fucked mexicans to get California. This movie is the height of irony.
Afraid of Al Franken? Hardly. by Blue_Demon	Oct 26th, 2005 03:32:22 PM
The more the man speaks, the more he makes my point clearer to those with reason and without agenda. The difference I have noticed between conservatives and liberals is that conservatives actually LIKE reading/watching liberals...I mean...if we debate them, we have to know their points of view, correct? Conservative talk however, is almost always hysterically put down as "hate radio" and ignored or shouted down. Try and say some of this stuff at a University. Wear earplugs...those screams are loud.
didn't william hootkins die years ago? by jig98	Oct 26th, 2005 03:32:39 PM

liberals=open minded...conservatives=closed minded by FrodosBlueBalls	Oct 26th, 2005 03:45:29 PM

FodosBlueBalls - That's about the dumbest thing that's b by Dagan	Oct 26th, 2005 03:58:43 PM

I'm on to you Godardwhowhathow by Spangler	Oct 26th, 2005 04:01:49 PM
You represent something that is dishonest and bitter. Nice interpretation of the disturbing New Testament. Geesh.
The thought of a kid having funny fights in this movie is DISTUR by scrumdiddly	Oct 26th, 2005 04:05:10 PM
Potentially ruinous.
bunch of hypocrites by ILK	Oct 26th, 2005 04:05:29 PM
One mention of anything liberal and it's all about that "hollywood liberal elite" crap again. Yet one mention of jesus and a star is "so brave". Look, if you bring your politics into the limelight, people are going to poke fun at you. Well, at least the south park guys will. But these days one mention of religion and you are due some kind of requisite respect. Bullshit. Respect my atheism for once you fucking REAL elitists. Yeah, I didn't think so. Eat my stink. .... I swear sometimes... if most of you believed the world was flat, people who claimed in public that it was not would be considered "elitists". Religions will get my respect when they stay out of my rights. Until then, justify your fucking existance.
paradox by Spangler	Oct 26th, 2005 04:06:33 PM
saying "liberals=open-minded..conserv atives=closed minded" is by definition a "closed minded" statement. This is similar to people who say they don't believe in right or wrong... but if you are someone who DOES believe in right or wrong... you're WRONG!
yeah.. by ILK	Oct 26th, 2005 04:14:05 PM
I know plenty of open minded conservatives. Seriously. That's an unfair thing to say. We have uninformed yappers on both sides. Like little terriers.
Great, review, Vern! by OBSD	Oct 26th, 2005 04:15:24 PM
I thought somebody on this board should comment on the actual review, so here it is: Seriously Vern, that one review had more amazing one-liners than a cokehead at Henny Youngman's house. And to all you neocons with yur panties in a twist: at this point you've got to know what Harry's politics are. Dig it or shut the fuck up. Even though he didn't actually say what you thought he said. Morons.
dagan...prove me wrong please by FrodosBlueBalls	Oct 26th, 2005 04:16:29 PM

this is how i see things by FrodosBlueBalls	Oct 26th, 2005 04:18:56 PM
LIBERALS say "I've got my life and you've got yours. I'm not going to tell you how to live your life and you don't tell me how to live mine" .... CONSERVATIVES say "i've got my life and I don't give a fuck about your life and if your way of life doesn't match mine then you are wrong and are going to hell."
Hey liberals by JackieJokeman	Oct 26th, 2005 04:20:17 PM
When Jesus talks about giving to the poor hes talking about giving your own money, not voiting to give the poor your neighbors money. Not that you actually thought the J-man meant that. You guys dont believe in the J-man. You guys were just using the J-man to justify socialism. You guys are weak.
JackieJokeman by DocPazuzu	Oct 26th, 2005 04:25:33 PM
Right, because as we know, Jesus has never been used to justify anything dispicable on the other end of the spectrum. Oh, and anyone who uses the term "J-man" with a straight face is "weak."
Hey, Jackie by Cameron1	Oct 26th, 2005 04:25:34 PM
Plenty of christians would disagree with you. But really that's not the point. Point it giving money to the poor should be done by EVERYONE who can afford it. I don't mean straight out benefits or handouts, but if someone is about to die or become homeless our society can afford to help them. If only because it costs LESS to do it then than waiit until they become homeless and turn to crime. Sheesh.
Frodo: you're so right. by OBSD	Oct 26th, 2005 04:28:52 PM
Jokeman: You're sooooooooo wrong. So I guess "turn the other cheek" doesn't apply to international politics. That's the problem with Christians. They want to make the Bible apply to everybody, but only the parts they like. Homos? kill 'em all. Charity? "That's a personal thing and I can't force anybody else to be charitable." Why not? You can force people to not have the same rights as others ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, why can't you legislate charity? Oh, I see. When it comes to hate, you're deeply religious, but when it comes to love? Meh. "The bible doesn't really say love everybaody and don't judge others. That's a misconception". Yu guys are so fucking nuts it makes my teeth itch.
Wait....isn't this the Farenheit 9/11 Talkback? by Mick The Knife	Oct 26th, 2005 04:32:18 PM
Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick. Can the political extremists please go back to the O'Reilly Factor boards and the NPR website? Last I looked, this was a movie Talkback... Oh, and Banderas rocked as Zorro last time. He needs to do more swashbluckling...or maybe something in the Indiana Jones genre. Looking forward to Legend!
You cant legislate charity obviously by JackieJokeman	Oct 26th, 2005 04:33:49 PM
Because if you have to give or face jail time its not charity. And where did I endorse the killing of "homos"? Or the iraq war? Man, and I thought Christians were intollerant.
Even the Devil can quote scripture... by Childe Roland	Oct 26th, 2005 04:52:47 PM
...and I understand he plays one mean fiddle as well. Seriously, kids, whatever happened to "Do unto others...?" When I look at the J-Man's philosophies (and, thanks to whatever nitwit stuck that moniker for the Man Jesus in my head), that seems to be the one that makes the most sense. Apparently Zorro really wanted someone to carve a Z on his ass with a sword and look at the way the J-Man rewarded him with the sword-brandishing Kathryn Zeta Jones in that first flick. You can bet the J-Man was down with the concept of Karma and paying shit forward, not back. He was one smart motherfucker. Died badly, though.
FrodosBlueBalls - "Prove" you're wrong? by Dagan	Oct 26th, 2005 04:57:34 PM
You said "Liberals are open-minded and Conservatives are closed-minded." You left it at that, without providing any sort of supporting evidence either way, but now it's incumbent upon ME to prove YOU "wrong"? Hardly. If you're to make such a charge, you better not just throw up some silly sentence like that without a supporting argument to back it up.
THe J-Man and "paying it forward". by JackieJokeman	Oct 26th, 2005 05:01:21 PM
Nowhere in scripture does it mention that terrible movie or Kevin Spacey for that matter. Well, unless you count the part about the sodomites.
Dagan: by Deagle2	Oct 26th, 2005 05:09:24 PM
well said, man. Notice how most of the critics to your posts can't dispute the basic facts that you've presented so they change the subject. And as most people have already figured out, Harry loves injecting his simple politics into posts on AICN. It's the only way to ensure that there will be a huge response on the message boards of his now irrelevant site.
Christians by Fireball XL-5	Oct 26th, 2005 05:14:13 PM
Has it ever occurred to some of you that most Christians are just average people who do not fit into the ugly stereotypes used to define them? That would include Harry's condescending description of "today's peace-loving Jesus-lovers." Honestly, most of us are simply making our way through the world just like non-Christians, trying to understand life and have a good time. The fact that our very existance can raise some of your hackles so easily should give you pause for reflection. Seriously.
How FrodosBlueBalls sees things... by Dagan	Oct 26th, 2005 05:15:17 PM
You say that liberals say "I've got my life and you've got yours, I'm not going to tell you how to live your life, etc." And Conservatives, you say, are basically the opposite. Now I'm a Libertarian, so my philosophy truly is "let me live my life and I'll let you live yours" - and being on that side, I'm much more inclined to vote for Republicans over Democrats, because liberals are the ones who interfere with my life on a much larger level than Republicans or Conservatives do. Let's look at some of the ways liberals interfere with our lives far more than Conservatives: ------------------------------ --------Taxes: I pay about a third of my income to the Government in income taxes, taxes on goods and services, and other embedded taxes - pulled from my hands at the point of a gun. Now that's a pretty damn big strike agains the "leave me alone" argument you were making. Liberals are proponents of higher taxation, and Conservatives smaller - what larger test of "leave me alone" can there be than the forcible taking of the fundamental earnings of one's labor? ------------------------------ --------- Property - liberals on the Supreme Court just said that local and county governments can TAKE private property from one individual and hand it off to another if they see "benefit" to such an action(or, one presumes, if a good friend of the town council member asks his buddy if he can take somebody else's land for him). They basically just crossed off the "public use" clause in the Constitution. The three Conservatives on the Court at the time, Rehnquist, Thomas and Scalia, along with the wishy washy but fairly Conservative moderate Sandra Day O'Connor - were against this abhorrent decision. Is there any greater way to "interfere" with your life than by letting the government take your property and give it to another at will? Thanks, liberals - now we all essentially don't own ANY property - if it can be taken from you in an instant by your local government, then you don't really "own" it at all. ------------------------------ ----------- Speech codes. Go to almost any college campus and endure their "speech codes" - where they enforce the certain kinds of speech they like and don't like. Too long to detail the outrageous stories about college speech codes here - but this obvious interference into your life have beenn brought to you by, you guessed it, LIBERALS. ------------------------------ ---------- "Diversity" quotas and other such nonsense. Preferences for admissions to colleges, businesses working with the government, etc. It limits choice and breaks people down into competing groups instead of treating everybody as individuals. This interference into your life has been brought to you by liberals. ------------------------------ --------- Campaign Finance Reform. Yes, this was McCain and Feingold, but McCain is a liberal Republican, disliked by the Conservative base. And Conservatives hated that Bush signed this Unconstitutional law. This has always been a Liberal/Conservative issues, with Conservatives against it. Liberals now want to limit my freedom by telling me how much money I can give to a political candidate, or when I can air ads in support of a candidate of my choice. A clear "interference" in my free choice and life. ------------------------------ ---------- Senseless overregulation of business. Brought to you by liberals, who are the reason I have to go through mountains of paperwork to run my company, and have to jump through hoops even if I want to build a building in town - ON MY OWN LAND. Thanks for interfering with my life again, liberals. ------------------------------ -----I could literally go on and on and on here - but the point is made. Now Conservatives. How do they really "interefere" with my life? People will say "gay marriage" - but how are Conservatives really interfering with that? They are calling for the Democratic process to define marriage one way that you don't like. I'm all for gay marraige, but the Republicans calling for laws against it are a damn bit better than liberals trying to enshrine it as a "right" in UNELECTED courts. I'll take the elected will of the people over that, thank you. And what has actually happened? Nothing. There is no gay marraige Constitutional Amendment, and no hope for one ever actually passing. The Conservative things that would "limit freedom", almost always amount to a bunch of noise and little else. The real consequence of limitation of my rights comes from liberals - their freedom-limiting policies OFTEN get passed for real and always seem to have a more real-world consequence for me as a Libertarian than anything the Conservatives just make noise about. I get MORE freedom from Conservatives than I do liberals. That's why I vote for Conservatives over liberals - because as a Libertarian, I have to vote for the people who will have the least negative effect on my freedom.
WIlliam Hootkins died on Sunday, October 23 from cancer by Doc_Strange	Oct 26th, 2005 06:35:44 PM
I would have thought someone would have put up an article remembering his career as this site puts up a lot of the more obscure names that only a select few would know about.
To FunmazerX: by Arachnyd	Oct 26th, 2005 06:45:05 PM
You don't think theres such a thing as christian terrorists? Who the fuck do you think is blowing up abortion clinics then, Santa? Timothy McVeigh is also known to have been hanging out with radical christian isolationists shortly before his attack. I'm more afraid of the far-right in this country then I am of any islamic terrorists.
Arachnyd - sorry - not a lot of that really going on by Dagan	Oct 26th, 2005 07:06:00 PM
Eric Rudolph, the Olympic Park and Abortion Clinic bomber and "Christian Terrorist", for instance? He wasn't a Christian at all - Here's what he said on the subject: -----------"Most of them have, of course, an agenda; mostly born-again Christians looking to save my soul. I suppose the assumption is made that because I
Arachnyd by Blue_Demon	Oct 26th, 2005 07:06:12 PM
Every faith has its fanatics. Yes, McVeigh murdered many in OKC and some people have used Christianity's name in the blowing up of abortion clinics. However, saying that you fear right-wing Christians more than Islamic fundamentalists is going a bit too far ( it's stupid actually ). The murderous actions of McVeigh and his fellow nuts are condemned by Christianity at large. The murderous actions of Bin-Laden, Zarqowi ( spelling? ) and others are followed by a strange silence from the majority of Muslims. Not all Muslims are terrorists...but strangely, almost all terrorists are Muslims. I think you're fearing the wrong group bud. The most us Christians will do is try and give you the good news about Jesus.
Yeah Dagan, because the righties just used the Gay Constitutiona by iamnicksaicnsn	Oct 26th, 2005 07:39:14 PM
scare the uneducated into think it would be a problem. They aren't talking about it now, because, like abortion, they don't care what happens and only care about votes.-------- As for campaign finance reform, it's not that we want to restrict how much money you can give, we want to restrict the bullshit favors that politicians give to the people who can give them the most money. ----------As for overregulation, again, there are cases where deregulation is good, but there are clear cases where de-regulation is fucking awful. Look at Enron, think they were for regulation? Look at the media, who are now owned by 5 COMPANIES TOTAL. You think we're getting everything we're supposed to? When the news is run by the nielsen's, we have a fucking problem. ------------- As for diversity quotas? No one is saying that the democrats do everything perfectly, but at least they are trying. Conservatives hate public schools, or at least Bush and his buddies do, which is why Leave No Child Behind, a good program, isn't being any where near fully funded. ---- Then, taxes. Like I said, Democrats don't have everything perfect. CLinton wasn't the best president ever, by far. But this country pays ridiculously little taxes compared to other bigger countries, and that's actually not the problem. The problem is the fact that there's so much fucking bureaucracy that needs to be cleaned up. That's a problem on both sides of the isle. ------------- Now Property. That was a fucked up thing, for sure, and you'll find on many liberal blogs that there is a lot of outrage from those of us sane people on the left. Hopefully, that thing where that group is trying to put a hotel on that one SCJs estate works out. ---------- Now let's go to your other long paragraph... The tax cuts! You saying that everyone got a tax cut is a ridiculous excuse. Just because Joe Trailer-Trash got $50, doesn't mean he's better off. And as for the 10% paying more, that's actually an argument for us lefties, because the real middle class is getting shafted while the upper echelons of the 1% (and not the entire 1%, because there are plenty in the top 1% that might be rich in places like kentucky, kansas, alabama, in comparison, it's tough trying to keep your well paying job in an expensive city) get there tens of thousands of dollars in tax cuts and get the estate tax repealed, which really only helps the likes of Paris Hilton, and their like. ------------- And now Bush's "liberal" policies (which is another funny argument, because you politely forget to mention his insane conservative ones, like the repealing of the Davis-Bacon Act after Katrina, which just today, I believe, he reinstated because sensible people in the Senate realized what jackasses they'd look like if they didn't do something about it) 1. Education Bill "No Child Left Behind." I already talked about that, he's not fully funding what he promised. 2. Steel tariffs: don't know much about them, so I'll move onto... 3. Campaign Finance Reform, again, already talked about it. But at least 527s aren't allowed to have any affiliation with anybody, despite their lies from BOTH sides. 4. Farm bill: don't know much about... 5. Drug Bill, another fuck up. Takes away a lot of money and is a big hand-out to the drug companies. 6. Immigration: Yeah, he's a fucking tool, and the democrats who support this are tools, but you don't see many companies who employ those cheap non-american workers making too much a stink about it. 7. Good, I hope he supports arts. -------------- As for the repubs wanting to cut "fat" as you say, you don't mention what those cuts were for, is it possible that along with the real pork, there were some important programs in there? Look, I'm not saying you are, but there are a lot of assholes out there that say "well, what do I have to pay for others educations for? why do i have to pay for someone else's grandma's social security?" Why? Because a smart country makes lots of money, and people are going to be paying for YOUR social security some day. Maybe not even when you're old, what happens if you get crippled or suffer some other serious injury? So look, there's shit on both sides, but you and I are apparently looking in totally different directions.
"Most terrorists are muslims" by iamnicksaicnsn	Oct 26th, 2005 07:49:49 PM
That's because Muslim's have been getting the short end of the stick for quite a while. Anyone forget the Christian Massacres of Muslims in the Middle East near Israel maybe 50 years ago? Anyone stop to think that maybe those Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are actually occupied territories? Anyone stop to think that there are plenty of Israelis who think that the OCCUPATION OF PALESTINE is illegal and bad for their national security? Anyone check out the fact that Barak's proposal at Camp David with Clinton and Arafat called for the complete control of Palestinian water supplies by Israel, and Israeli-only roads occupying Palestinian land? Anyone want to question why we give so much fucking money and arms to Israel? NOW LOOK, I'M NOT AN ANIT-SEMITE, AND I'M NOT ADVOCATING TERRORISM BY MUSLIMS. I am for a safe Israel. But when you fuck people over that bad, they tend to do desperate, stupid things. What the NEOCONS WANT, is not an Israeli state, they want to rebuild the Kingdom of David, so that JESUS WILL RETURN! Because according to the Bible, that's supposedly how it works... oh, and there's also a little passage in there about how the last tree has to fall, so there's a little talk about polluting the world... but that's just, you know, a little passage...
To Blue_Demon: by Arachnyd	Oct 26th, 2005 08:35:22 PM
What I mean is I fear neocons and other christian activists more then islamic terrorists because they represent a more serious threat to America. Terrorists can only kill you, while conservatives are ruining America by keeping it from adapting. This country used to be a shining beacon of progress, and that doesns't seem to be true anymore. And besides, I don't really fear terrorism at all. The odds are better I'll be struck by lightning then get killed in a terrorist attack. I'm more afraid of how Bush uses terrorism as an excuse to strip away civil liberties. I'm more afraid of how gullible the American people are to make terrorism the most important part of the 2004 election when there are so many more important socio-economic issues that need to be dealt with.
Dagan I don't have the time to write an essay like you so I by FrodosBlueBalls	Oct 26th, 2005 08:48:07 PM
ABORTION. Righties don't agree with it so they don't want ANYBODY to have it. Now do I believe in abortion...no...but just b/c I don't doesn't mean you our anybody you know can't have one. If I wanted to live in a society that dictated shit like that, then I'd go overseas. So fuck off with your essay that you no doubtedly copied from some other forum. I am sorry for turning this talkback into a political forum. I promised myself I wouldn't be that guy. Anyways a repeat of Lost is on....seeya!
Not to worry, Vern by Immortal_Fish	Oct 26th, 2005 09:03:10 PM
Pat Robertson ain't gonna wake you up anytime soon and go, "Boogah! Boogah!"
"religion and politics are better left off the table when drinks by Immortal_Fish	Oct 26th, 2005 09:10:04 PM
Great point! Yet heavy handed of you to paint only one side with the broad brush. Besides, this is AICN, and as site admins would have it, drinks are on the house.
You know,its pretty sad... by Neo Wolf	Oct 26th, 2005 09:28:12 PM
Its pretty sad that everytime the talk backs turns into political/religious debates,and shit,every single fucking time.Im sure when a chicken little review comes in there will be heated debates about politics and christianity insted of talking about the film.I have to say that harry and company do encourage this,but its his site so what the hell.I dont even know why i posted this post,everyone knows how the TB are.Atleast we can all agree that Kevin Smith sucks. :)
Sarcasm and credibility by jorson2	Oct 26th, 2005 10:00:19 PM
"We all know that in the modern age, Christians are lovely people that don't try to force their ideals upon others by blowing shit up..." - Harry Knowles Take it from someone who has made the mistake himself -- being sarcastic about anything political reveals very personal motivations and RUINS credibility. As for Bush messing everything up, well, can't much argue, but I'd rather have a President that TRIED to do something and made mistakes in the process than one that just followed opinion polls, went on MTV, spouted "inadvertent" one-liners and screwed interns while coming up with meaningless peace treaties for nations halfway across the world. And by the way, that wasn't sarcasm -- everything I mentioned happened to Clinton, was something he did or happened in his administration.
Antonio Banderas by Skylarkca	Oct 26th, 2005 10:07:33 PM
I am looking forward to seeing the new Zorro movie. Antonio Banderas, those eyes, that walk, how he sits a horse ;) Not all floppy like "some" actors... he is the ultimate Zorro!
I'd rather have a President that TRIED to do something and m by Lou C.	Oct 26th, 2005 10:22:02 PM
WOW. Is that what we're calling it now? I wouldn't even know where to begin ...
Notice how the Bush followers want to control everything? by Rant Breath	Oct 26th, 2005 10:29:54 PM
Including this talkback. Fucking fascists.
Conservatives Sure Are Stupid by bushsux	Oct 26th, 2005 10:37:04 PM
Before all the no life, no woman having conservatives on this site start calling me a socialist, communist because I don't agree with them, let me tell you a little secret. That horrific FEMA response to the hurricane in New Orleans? If you voted for Bush last November that is partly your fault. The 2000 dead soldiers in Iraq? That's your fault if you voted for Bush in 2000 and/or 2004. The fact that the rest of the world laughs at us now? That is your fault if you voted for Bush. It's your fault you put this guy into office. It's your fault if you let yourself be manipulated by hacks like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly. You may be a republican, but you are still an American and you owe yourself and your country better than to listen to Fox News and right-wing radio for your political opinions.
Bushsux You Liberal Jerk. Go screw a homo or a black guy. by smorris09	Oct 26th, 2005 10:58:15 PM
I'm sick of hearing liberals criticize President Bush. Who cares about a bunch of blacks in New Orleans? These people are too poor, to stupid and too dark to learn how to swim. That isn't the President's fault. I am a conservative because I know the Republican Party is all that stands between my white race and the Mexicans, Blacks, Ragheads and Faggots. America is a White Christian country and you liberals will never change that. That's why I support this President and support the Republican Party.
America is a White Christian Country by smorris09	Oct 26th, 2005 11:00:44 PM
And it will stay that way as long as fine Americans like George W. Bush, George Allen and Dick Cheney keep winning elections. Keep whining democrats
To Lou C. by jorson2	Oct 26th, 2005 11:06:03 PM
"Is that what we're calling it now?" Who is "we?" And to smorris09, would you rather it be an every-race-but-Caucasian / every-religion-but-Christian nation?
is this the ZORRO talkback? by Thunder Mammoth	Oct 26th, 2005 11:09:02 PM
holy fucking dumbshits!?!
I Want This Country to Remain White and Christian, That's Wh by smorris09	Oct 26th, 2005 11:11:24 PM
Liberals are the biggest scourge to this country. They can whine and bitch all they want but White Christian conservatives like myself will continue to beat tree-hugging n-lovers like Kerry.
oh my god.... by slappy jones	Oct 26th, 2005 11:21:48 PM
....you guys are totally awesome...please can i hangout with you.....please......harry, quint...whoever, please ban these pricks.
haha nazi-klukluxklan fuckers by Rant Breath	Oct 26th, 2005 11:22:43 PM
some people never learn.
"Wake up, white people" by IAmLegolas	Oct 26th, 2005 11:26:52 PM
I don't know what's funnier... Vern's Review or these TB's. Holy crap is the Earth filled with idiots.
smorris, MORE PROOF CONSERVATIVES ARE SMART by bushsux	Oct 26th, 2005 11:27:48 PM
Now I'm not going to go so far as to say that all conservatives on agree with your racism and ignorance, but maybe, just maybe, many republicans agree with you. If that's the case, why should I even bother trying to argue with these conservatives. White people are supposed to be the master race so why should I go against their party?
I don't care if you liberals try to censor me, you still can by smorris09	Oct 26th, 2005 11:34:42 PM
This is my country and I'm taking it back from the liberals. Here in Virginia we're finally going to get rid of this liberal piece of crap Mark Warner and put in a conservative, Jerry Kilgore. Haha! Eat shit dems. And bushsux, I hope you're not white because if you are than you are a traitor to your own race. Just like how Kerry is a traitor to the white race, so are you.
*Shermdawg enters the talkback to shoot the poop on zorro, and m by Shermdawg	Oct 26th, 2005 11:37:42 PM
He begins to type up his post, but notices the direction this topic has taken. He then decides to forget the post altogether and to get the hell out of this thread.
*Before leaving, Shermdawg notices that he has one more reason t by Shermdawg	Oct 26th, 2005 11:40:39 PM

Notice by flossygomez	Oct 26th, 2005 11:50:10 PM
That when I brought politics into it it actually had something to do with the fucking movie. I will pray for the asteroid to come, covered in bird flu infected bird shit.
Uh - guys - you can't tell that this "smorris09" guy isn' by Dagan	Oct 27th, 2005 12:01:30 AM
Incredible that you guys are taking such nonsense at face value. No actual Conservative talks that way - his post is obvious parody, but you guys are so clueless and so in the dark about what actual Conservatism is that you're taking it as some kind of actual Conservative sentitment. Unbelievable.
I love... by CondomWrapper	Oct 27th, 2005 12:02:53 AM
To masturbate with baby oil to pictures of Zeta-Jones' erotic little feet. Oh golly they get me hot! Try lubing up with baby oil the next time you watch Zorro and I bet you'll have one helluva good jizz session.
Hey Dagan Stop Feeding Liberals Facts by 900LBGorilla	Oct 27th, 2005 12:03:32 AM
Thats just cruel man- you have gone too far...(Next thing you know you'll start pointing out how "Clinton's" Economy was realy the result of the legistltation written by the Contract with America Congress- when every self respecting Liberal knows CLinton Drafted all that legistlation he signed when the polls and elections swung the "right" way).
STAR WARS EPISODE III WILL OWN YOUR ASS!!! by CondomWrapper	Oct 27th, 2005 12:04:20 AM
Because this talkback needs to lighten up.
MICHAEL BAY SUCKS by SnowMann	Oct 27th, 2005 12:24:25 AM

Bushsux-but he sux less than any liberal. by 900LBGorilla	Oct 27th, 2005 12:47:22 AM
And Bushsux- You are simply ignorant. I dot have the time to go over the deeper details of basic government with yet another Liberal on this subject, but if you think
Harry - eloquently put. by s00p3rm4n	Oct 27th, 2005 12:53:50 AM
Actual, real, mad props to you. For being a man of conviction. They're rare in this fucking town. /bitter film student
The 2 by Darth Maui	Oct 27th, 2005 12:57:08 AM
I like this reviewer's writing style; therefore, I will see the movie. Actually I was going to see the movie anyways but now I might see it a day sooner than originally planned. And I liked the Matrix comment.
Dagan, I put up my comments against yours, will you comment on m by iamnicksaicnsn	Oct 27th, 2005 12:58:37 AM
I'm actually surprisd some psychotic hasn't gone crazy, especially with what I said about Israel and Palestine... Maybe my posts were just too damn long?
The bible not only supports official charity but commands it by antonphd	Oct 27th, 2005 01:01:31 AM
when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. 10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger.
The 2 by Darth Maui	Oct 27th, 2005 01:02:26 AM
Harry said: "and witnessed the political corruption from inside the party circa the Nixon era - which in turn made them morally shift to being Independent Liberals as a result of their disgust with that party." So your parents switched parties because certain Republicans weren't living up to their stated ideals? This whole liberal vs. conservative thing isn't even about living by correct principles. It is all about picking a team and rooting for it no matter what. That's why I don't pick a side. If your parents belonged to the Republican party it should've been because there were principles about it they admired, not people. You can "switch" to the Democratic party and find out there's plenty of messed up people there too but then after you've already "made the change" all you can do is say, "Oh, well. I guess I'll just stick with this now anyway."
Oh, 900LbGorilla, I guess it doesn't matter that Chertoff sa by iamnicksaicnsn	Oct 27th, 2005 01:02:52 AM
and I guess it doesn't matter that Bush decided that it was a good idea to put FEMA into Homeland Security, while putting a dumb ass in who decided that it was more important to have a nice quiet dinner than save people while his own people were telling him that they were shitting in the Superdome hallways with 30,000 of their dear friends. And I guess it doesn't matter that Chertoff also took a little blame, but mostly blamed FEMA's lack of planning.
So, before you say what the bible says by antonphd	Oct 27th, 2005 01:09:17 AM
about charity. Why don't you actually read it. Fucking selfish fuckers make me embaressed to believe in God. I will go head to head with any dumb fucker who thinks he knows what the bible says about shit. I don't give a shit that someone else doesn't know what they are talking about. But I do give a shit when someone wants to oppress people and they use the bible to do it. Burn in fucking hell with the televangelists assholes.
not to mention by SnowMann	Oct 27th, 2005 01:11:36 AM
I guess it doesn't matter that this was a review of The Legend of Zorro and was in no way offensive towards anyone who actually read it except maybe people who disliked Zorro 1?
The 2 by Darth Maui	Oct 27th, 2005 01:13:11 AM
"I guess it doesn't matter that this was a review of The Legend of Zorro and was in no way offensive towards anyone who actually read it except maybe people who disliked Zorro 1?" It wasn't even offensive to them.
good point by SnowMann	Oct 27th, 2005 01:38:22 AM
Well played darth maui.... well played.
Anyway, as I was saying by Vern	Oct 27th, 2005 02:59:00 AM
something about Zorro, I think. (Hey Immortal Fish: Why am I supposed to think Pat Robertson is gonna wake me up? I'm so confused.)
iamnicksaicnsn - I'm sorry - I intend to comment back to you by Dagan	Oct 27th, 2005 08:11:35 AM
I appreciate that your comments back to mine were some of substance, and you actually decided to address each point I gave in full, instead of just offering some hit and run comment like most people have done here. You actually broke it down point by point and answered back, which is what I like to do as well. That's real conversation, and it makes me think that you and I could actually get somewhere together in a discussion. Unfortunately, I'm right in the middle of a tough edit with a deadline, and so I've been trying to muster up the time to answer you back substantively as well. I will answer your posts, though - however it may take me a bit to find the time. Hang tight, and we can certainly continue our discussion.
To Arachnyd by Blue_Demon	Oct 27th, 2005 08:30:09 AM
That's an understandable fear. Now...which civil liberties of yours have been taken away?
Why isn't Christian terrorist a viable phrase, then? Love Da by DavidHume	Oct 27th, 2005 08:37:57 AM
If a Christian murders someone, in cold blood, for a political reason then they're a Christian terrorist. Being offended doesn't make that untrue, does it. The problem is, while there are lots of nice, non-violent, kind, forgiving religious people, there are a lot who aren't. People who believe in a god or whatever are by definition extremists since they don't countenance any relative/alternative truth. We had an Enlightenment a couple of hundred years ago, it's about time you Yanks grew up and left your mumbo jumbo superstition "ooh i'm scared im gonna die!!" stuff behind
More like Dagan is searching other forums for comebacks. by FrodosBlueBalls	Oct 27th, 2005 08:46:53 AM
Zorro 1 rocked and so will Zorro 2.
FrodosBlueBalls - Making an ass of yourself is not going to eras by Dagan	Oct 27th, 2005 08:55:09 AM
At least Iamnicksaicnsn attempted to answer me back point by point - you didn't have much to say(except about abortion, which I will also answer soon). I'm sorry I have an actual job to work on, but don't worry, I'll get back to you guys soon. Just a few more scenes to edit first...
Vern is the Sportsguy of AICN, and that's a good thing by bobleeswagger	Oct 27th, 2005 09:39:44 AM
seriously, great review, always good for a laugh.
Dagan by FrodosBlueBalls	Oct 27th, 2005 09:40:27 AM
Are you an editor now? Because in your earlier post you said you build buildings?
FrodosBlueBalls by Dagan	Oct 27th, 2005 10:23:04 AM
The buildings i was referring to are soundstages. I am currently editing the first indendent feature film from our company.
Wow, you guys are a hoot! by Childe Roland	Oct 27th, 2005 10:26:36 AM
First, Jokeman, I said "paying shit forward," not "Pay It Forward." It was more a nod to My Name is Earl than a reference to the Spacey flick. Nice homophobia, though. You pick that up in prison? And speaking of homophobes and racists and the like, I really feel bad for all the rational conservatives trying to make points about the possible insensitivity of Harry's playing up Vern's completely inoffensive (in context) comments about Christian terrorists and neocons. Don't guys like the Jokeman, smorris and lotrfan12 make you just want to scream "Get the fuck off my side, dumbass!?" That's okay. The liberals have their crosses to bear, too (like Michael Moore). And as for Blue_Demon, where are you getting the "most terrorists are Muslim" stuff? I'd love to see the study that proves that wild allegation. "Excuse me, sir. We're from the world census bureau and we're trying to get a handle on which cultures and religions are most to blame for the use of terror as a political tactic in the modern world. Can I ask if you are a terrorist?" Terrorists come in all shapes, sizes and flavors. That includes both Muslim and Christian assholes. Even atheists have been known to employ fear as a weapon and/or bargaining chip. And let's not forget those Eco-Terrorists the FBI recently upgraded to the top of the U.S. domestic threat list. I don't think they're bowing to Mecca. Last, but not least, I love the folks who excuse dumbshit behavior by their parties' presidents, saying stuff like "Well, he may have lied about the sex and cheated on his wife and tried to convince the entire U.S. population they were stupid, but it doesn't really reflect on his ability to do his job" or "He may have lied about the WMDs and fucked up the economy and given his friends a lot of favors and tried to convince the entire U.S. population they were stupid, but at least he did stuff." A fuckup is a fuckup and, personally, I'd rather have someone who knew what he or she was doing running the country without all the trial and error. You all deserve better than what you've been forcing yourselves to settle for (well...except maybe you racist, homophobic assholes. You deserve what you get). Let's all try to look at the candidates - all of them - with some objectivity and the best interests of the nation and the world we all share in mind next time out, huh?
I smell bullshit.... by FrodosBlueBalls	Oct 27th, 2005 10:47:27 AM
...Dagan, just admit you stole that from another website...and the reason I know you did is b/c I've read it before, I just dont know where...and I don't buy the "soundstages" excuse. You just got caught up in your own lie asshole. Go on and pretend you're important now..buh bye.
You libs think us Republicans are dumb and yet we win every elec by smorris09	Oct 27th, 2005 10:51:05 AM
Can't you libs see what the Bush administration did? They used the hurrican to flush out all the welfare coons and fried chicken eaters out of Louisiana. That state needed to be cleaned up. The only problem I see with what the President did was that some of those monkeys might end up showing up to my state. Now if we can just get rid of these taco eating border jumpers like Banderas we could finally get this take this country back for White Christians.
Republicans SUCK! Democrats SUCK! Religion SUCKS! Politics SUCK! by Shermdawg	Oct 27th, 2005 11:19:04 AM
I just had to get that off my chest. Nuff said. Nuff said.
Sorry for that outburst. Now back to Zorro... by Shermdawg	Oct 27th, 2005 11:24:37 AM
If there is ever a direct-to-dvd sequel, I'd love to see Chris Kattan and Horatio Sanz star. "No, no, too sexy!!!" "But I must!"
Abe Lincoln vs. Yoda by barryap	Oct 27th, 2005 11:24:51 AM
Now THAT would be a fight scene...probably have crappy CG though.
Welcome to Planet Republican. by admkirk	Oct 27th, 2005 11:25:54 AM
On this planet, the white race is the master race, invading countries that never attacked us is good for world peace, cutting rich people's taxes helps the poor, outsourcing jobs overseas is good for the economy, picking unqualified people to go to the Supreme Court and head FEMA is smart governing and evolution never happened. How do you get to this wondrous world? You listen to right-wing radio for several hours a day.
this talkback is retarded... by Uncooked_Meat	Oct 27th, 2005 11:43:36 AM
People looking for an excuse to argue over bullshit that Harry wrote as a FUCKING JOKE. Get over yourselves, all of you. You included, Knowles. That said, this was a good review. Not Vern's best (That will always be his reviews of Segal movies), but still better than most others. Another good review that has interesting political takes is on CHUD. Check it out.
"...to fight for what's right, which in this place and time by Darth Bono Jr.	Oct 27th, 2005 11:49:12 AM
LOL!!!! Vern, I love ya, man!!!
The unnecessary title of the review, which deserved better by Immortal_Fish	Oct 27th, 2005 11:55:08 AM
It was written by Harry "Ya know, Neo is like bin Laden. Go Neo!" Knowles. He knew what he was doing when he wrote that and what it was going to set off. Don't apologize or make exceuses for him. Let him lie in the bed he made for himself. He needs to learn that he is hijacking his own site with this unnecessary personal interjecture. It doesn't matter whether or not it was intentional. Look at us! How many talkbacks are there here that have discussed this review or the movie being reviewed? And Vern is one of AICN's best! But his review is wasted because Harry found it necessary to twist a minor snippet of the review to make it appear to mean way more than Vern intended. This is Harry's place and he can do what he wants, write what he wants. But he has to ask himself if he wants all talkbacks to become this charged and offtopic or if he wants his visitors discussing his writer's reviews. In the meantime, I'm voicing my opinion to his sponsors and holding out hope for a return to this site's original objective.
And who else thinks smorris09 is really bushsux? by Immortal_Fish	Oct 27th, 2005 11:58:30 AM
Honestly. You just can't make some of that shit up.
couldnt be fucked to read the whole talkback, but lets be honest by cockknocker	Oct 27th, 2005 02:13:04 PM
Christians should receive electric shock treament till they reach enlightenment or their brain runs out of their ears.
to Immortal Fish by Vern	Oct 27th, 2005 02:24:18 PM
Thanks for the kind words and for sticking up for my review. But seriously, you're writing emails to Harry's sponsors? You made that part up, right? You can level with me, I won't tell Harry.
entertaining by ILK	Oct 27th, 2005 03:10:25 PM
Saw it last night and thought it was entertaining. I did like the religious terrorist bit. Perfect. But they could have given it more emphasis. Just having a cross on his face and quoting bible passages made him out to be more like a disfigured Jules Winnfield and less like an Osama. But overall it was entertaining. Light fun, period.
what to learn from smorris09 by Spangler	Oct 27th, 2005 03:12:11 PM
This guy could be bushsux, he could actually be a racist lunatic, or it could be someone trying to make a very important point; liberals act like and talk like conservatives are all exactly like smorris09. How could this be possible? There are a very small number of persons in this country that would think this way. Liberals claim that the entire Republican Party is based on these ideas. Do you liberals really think pro-lifers are about taking away women's rights because conservatives and Christians think women are inferior? Of course not! Pro-lifers think of 30 million abortions as a holocaust. Infanticide has been going on for years now and pro-lifers are sickened by it. Just because you use the word fetus doesn't change a damn thing. Why is it so hard to understand our point of view? Pro-choicers' argument is that it's a "right", well it's actually just a priviledge. Believe it or not, it is possible to use condoms or not to have sex at all. It's fucking hard, but it's possible. Hasn't anyone ever suffered from a terrible breakup and just swore the practice off for a few years? Yeah its horrible but that's because we knew what we were missing. Woman have a choice, they usually just choose the risk of getting pregant. Yeah yeah rape and incest... I know! This accounts for .02% of all abortions. Folks, sex is great, having babies at a young age sucks, but its possible. My parents did it. What about affirmative action? We honestly think black people don't fucking need it. They are smart, capable and resilient (sort of like uh.... uh.... HUMAN BEINGS!!!).. we've seen this! haven't you? How could anyone really believe Republicans don't like black people? We just want them to pick themselves up becuase THEY CAN. Winston Churchill has been rolling around in his grave since this "help from white people" began.
Vern, I believe him, man. by Childe Roland	Oct 27th, 2005 03:13:13 PM
Fish can be a right funny fucker but, sometimes, he seems like he's wound a bit too tight for the talkback.
charity is moral by ILK	Oct 27th, 2005 03:14:04 PM
"You cant legislate charity obviously" as soon as I see this right next to "you can't legislate morality" on the republican party pamphlet I'll become a republican. Until then... ahem... how many times do I have to say it? ....HYPOCRITE!! Legislating morality is the same as legislating charity, dumbasses.
Oooooohh Immortal FIsh is in trouble!!! by FrodosBlueBalls	Oct 27th, 2005 03:31:55 PM
How come Vern doesn't get a black box?
Dear Rock star games by Vern	Oct 27th, 2005 04:00:44 PM
"You advertised your 'The Warriors' video game on the side of the talkback on ain't it cool news. Unfortunately, Harry Knowles wrote an unneccessary political thing at the beginning of Vern's Zorro review. I think you see the problem here. I will put the game on pause until Harry straightens out. I said the same thing to 'The Weather Man' and some dating service. signed, a concerned consumer." That's all I'm saying man, I just can't imagine what the letter would be. But hey man freedom of speech.
Immortal Fish: Finally, someone else realized it! by Daredevil	Oct 27th, 2005 06:02:09 PM
It was pretty obvious that smorris and lotrfan12 were liberals in disguise (a flimsy disguise at that.) So, Childe Roland, you don't have to worry about them dragging conservatives down. As for the topic of conversation, I don't blame Vern for his review. His comments were pretty innocuous. It was Harry's incendiary intro that made it sound bad. Personally, I'm more offended by the movie makers who, once again, can't help but stereotype Christians as villainous. Oh, right, I forgot. There were, like, 2 attacks on abortionists 15 years ago in the real world. That makes ALL the difference. As opposed to the reality that TV and movies would like us to think exists where a wacko Christian killa an abortion doctor every couple weeks. And really, the person blowing up the building is no worse than the person who is killing the babies inside the building. Both are sickos. And I'm not even going to start to comment on all the misconcieved attacks on the Bible. All I can say is read the book again without your bias getting in the way. It's pretty easy to interpret, not a lot of hidden meanings and sneaky passages thrown in, that is, unless you're trying to read one into it.
Read Verns last post while humming the seinfeld theme tune by TheAllSeeingEye	Oct 27th, 2005 06:03:04 PM
It fits the opening perfectly. Vern? Are you Jerry Seinfeld? :P
Go Vern! by Laremy	Oct 27th, 2005 08:32:51 PM
Vern continues to set the bar for readable reviews...
Ummmm Getting back to the movie. by flossygomez	Oct 27th, 2005 08:41:39 PM
funny review from the stranger. 1998's The Mask of Zorro was an entertaining, if completely unremarkable, reinvention of a franchise nobody remembered. It jump-started Catherine Zeta Jones's unfortunate career, rescued (however briefly) Antonio Banderas's, and offered audiences a chance to watch Sir Anthony Hopkins play dress-up as a mobile human being. Where the film succeeded was in its dedication to an old-school style of adventure, one where CGI trickery was kept at a minimum, and all thrills (and spills) were left to the torn ligaments and snapped bones of an army of stuntmen. In other words, it was a real movie. Now, seven years later (and far too late for sane people to remember the original) comes The Legend of Zorro. Banderas and Zeta-Jones are still on hand, as is the first film's director, Martin Campbell. What's missing this time around is that dedication to flesh and blood filmmaking. Gone are the impossible stunts
I already addressed Muslims and Terrorists anchorite... by iamnicksaicnsn	Oct 27th, 2005 09:40:30 PM
I've got your response for you.
There is no such thing as Christian terrorists you ignorant fuck by smorris09	Oct 27th, 2005 10:20:39 PM
You see any Christians fl

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