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ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT, FAMILY GUY, CSI And DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES Make PTC's "Worst 10" List!!

First? by MemBirdman	Oct 21st, 2005 09:05:44 AM
Who takes the PTC seriously anymore? They were marginal at best at their peak.
First? by Yeti	Oct 21st, 2005 09:12:28 AM
Whatever. Too many christians. Not enough lions.
First Posters by Urge to Kill	Oct 21st, 2005 09:19:55 AM
FUCK FIRST POSTERS!!!
AD needs to be number 1! by StovetopStuffin'	Oct 21st, 2005 09:22:38 AM
Everyone knows that the 10 "worst" shows on these lists tend to be some of the best shows on TV. So why is Arrested Development way down the list, when it should be number 1!? AD is the best show on TV right now, followed closely by Extras on HBO!
#10 best - "Not Available" by Big Jim	Oct 21st, 2005 09:25:06 AM
They could only find 9 shows to recommend? I don't watch any of the "Best" shows (I would watch Chris if it was on another day) and have only seen a couple of episodes of 2. Of the "Worst" I have seen all 10 and watch 7 regularly (War @ Home only because it is between Simpsons & Family Guy). Guess I'll see you all in Hell.
"...and have only seen a couple of episodes of 2" by Big Jim	Oct 21st, 2005 09:27:40 AM
That is, I have seen only a couple of episodes of 2 of the "Best" shows, not that I have seen a couple of episodes of #2, Three Wishes, which I have never seen and have no desire to ever see, ever. I am a heartless bastard.
Um...? by The Pusher	Oct 21st, 2005 09:28:15 AM
That's all I can say. ?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA by TonyWilson	Oct 21st, 2005 09:35:57 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. What sad ignorant twats.
Anything that isn't purile religious pablum honks these guys by cookylamoo	Oct 21st, 2005 09:36:05 AM
Because if people start to laugh, religion goes out the window.
60% saying class...or sex? by Nairb The Movie	Oct 21st, 2005 09:38:35 AM
%60 of the worst is FOX...Strange!
It's all Tobias' fault... by RaylanGivens	Oct 21st, 2005 09:38:38 AM
ARRESTED's on this list thanks to the genius that is David Cross. "Even if it means me taking a chubby, I'll suck it up." Oh, and Henry Winkler's great "Those are balls" episode had to get under their squeaky clean skin. LONG LIVE THE BLUTH FAMILY AND "AD"!
Only God Himself can judge people and tv shows by cromulent	Oct 21st, 2005 09:39:13 AM
And Jesus said, "Lo unto you my brothers and sisters. Watch unto thee Family Guy and you shall inherit the earth. Werd of God."
G-gh-Ghost Whi-Whisperer?!!? by Kid Z	Oct 21st, 2005 09:42:56 AM
To quote "Booster Gold": BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAA! Christers, man... where the f**k is Nero when you really need him?
Slow news day, Herc? by Ace Hunter	Oct 21st, 2005 09:44:04 AM
Surely you could've found something a little more interesting. The Smurfs being bombed in that UNICEF commercial (find a link to the video) or something like that. Maybe things will pick up once BSG comes back.
Oh, the irony... by RaylanGivens	Oct 21st, 2005 09:44:11 AM
So the PTC writes this about ARRESTED.... "Arrested Development is designed to offend. Episodes regularly contain scripted bleeps. This enables the writers to use language, including "fk" and "st," network censors would never allow." ...And yet, writing "fk" and "st" on that website had to come as a bigger shock and more offensive to the gentle souls reading it, more so than any time it was used on ARRESTED.
What was the point in posting this? by chrth	Oct 21st, 2005 09:50:39 AM
No one who peruses this site is going to support this organization and its lists, so basically we'll just have a circle jerk of a talkback deriding the "good" stuff and supporting the "bad" stuff. What a waste...so who's going to grab and yank mine?
To be fair... by Ace Hunter	Oct 21st, 2005 09:52:55 AM
...the shows listed aren't family oriented shows. Doesn't mean they're bad shows, just not appropriate for the whole family. I love Family Guy but I'm not going to let my child watch it until they're mature enough to appreciate the immaturity...or something like that. To sum up, there really is a lack of GOOD family entertainment. Lost is as close as it comes to me but even that has occasional gore (which I dig) and step-incest (which I would also dig if Maggie Grace were my step-sis). Just my thoughts on this non-news item.
greatn by Ace Hunter	Oct 21st, 2005 10:05:57 AM
I loved the first few seasons of "King of the Hill" and while it's not as raunchy as "Family Guy", I wouldn't call it a family show. (i.e. Dale and his kid who is actually John Redcorn's, episode where Hank gets on the porn mailing list, etc.) But you're right about Fox with the disclaimers for Family Guy.
It's pretty obvious the point of this article is to mock the by Swarmy	Oct 21st, 2005 10:16:42 AM
C'mon, join the jerk!
Of course the PTC is going to mis-represent FAMILY GUY as "prese by RenoNevada2000	Oct 21st, 2005 10:29:23 AM
What I infer from the PCT's statements about FAMILY GUY is that cartoons should only appeal to children, which is an entirely bullshit arguement. Dr Seuess and Ernest Hemingway both wrote books, but their intended audiences were vastly different. It's insulting to any artist/writer/creator who wants to tell stories/jokes/whatever for adults that he can't use animation to do so.
On an interesting side note, hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, by SpyGuy	Oct 21st, 2005 10:35:23 AM
Fuck the PTC. Fuck them right in the ear.
Stonecold said so by MoviePirate	Oct 21st, 2005 10:37:15 AM
WTF!! I'm surprise that the WWE didn't make the list. Guess the PTC people are afraid that Stonecold gonna put that middle fingers up thier A$$.
Thats funny... by Spice-Orange	Oct 21st, 2005 10:39:22 AM
What channel is "Not available" on? lol Everybody Hates Chris is TERRIBLE compared to My name is earl. both are sitcoms that break the mold of family and/or friends talking for 30 minutes, but Earl just feels so much more fresh and funny and bizzare. "you're a carson daly fan too?" and "seacrest out!" beat the shit out of anything on Chris' show. Everybody hates chris would only be better if Chris rock could swear and flame all sorts of celebrities and make racist comments and stuff. that's what makes him a comedy god. saying that he lived in a ghetto when he was young is going to get old really fast. I would say 75% of the lines he makes on his show are just sorta "meh". i smirk- at best, and im an easy laugh too! If we didnt know that Chris Rock could be better, then i guess it would be a good show, but we all know he is holding back so it all airs on network tv. It would be SO much better if it was on FX or better yet HBO, imo. Imagine that, little chris walks into his white school narrative chris: "what da fuck!? where all the black kids at!? its like a wonderbread convention! daaaamnn... ima gonna get linched before kwanza!" or something like that... upn will keep it because its all they really have going for the Network. anyone who brings up the fact that it beats joey every week will have to remind themselves that Joey sucks very very bad. i think even scrambbled porn gets more ratings then joey on thrusday nights. :)
Thanks PTC. Now I know what TO watch. Your "worst of" list is my by IAmJack'sUserID	Oct 21st, 2005 10:39:54 AM
And I'l be sure to avoid your "best of" list like the bloody plague!
You know, there are "families" by cookylamoo	Oct 21st, 2005 11:07:30 AM
where people do more than pray and and pass the potatoes. The "Leave it to Beaver" family that the PTC caters to doesn't even exist and probably never did. Try this. Ask your parents about your family tree. Does it resemble a fifties sitcom? I bet it doesn't.
Who cares? by LeiaDown&FuckHer	Oct 21st, 2005 11:16:27 AM
I mean not to rain on anyone's parade but does anyone really give a shit whats on some hit and shit list put out by a bunch or self righteous religious zealots? I mean this isn't news, it's attention seeking propoganda, so why buy into it by giving it coverage that it doesn't warrant nor deserve?
These are all shows about families... by Just Plain Steve	Oct 21st, 2005 11:25:25 AM
They are only made at shows that show immoral families. I would much rather have some 8 year old watch this stuff than 24, where they kill about 10 people on hour. If the kid has a good family, tey won't take any of this seriously. Also, didn't the Simpsons used to be the root of all evil? They seem to have gotten over that now.
the fact that they call it "THE family guy" and claim it's m by mrgreentheplant	Oct 21st, 2005 11:40:46 AM
why is this list necessary? we already have an embarrassingly easy-to-understand ratings system complete with "S for Sex" "V for violence" etc. that should be plenty for parents. and if they really cared about the well-being of our children they would include violent shows as well as sexual shows, after all 24 could actually inspire a kid to be violent, but is family guy's references to masturbation (!!!! only sinners masturbate!) really gonna hurt anyone? oh wait i forgot 24 pushes PTC's republican agenda so they conveniently forgot about it. 'the ghost whisperer' makes me lust after j.lo hewitt's bodacious body and her DSL, but that's less sexual than a bunch of cartoons? come on.
This is why you shouldn't watch TV w/ your family by Rinse	Oct 21st, 2005 11:43:58 AM
because (most of) those shows suck balls. (Hope you're not reading this w/ your family.)
Chris Rock must be delighted by gobofraggleuk	Oct 21st, 2005 11:50:40 AM
This is a splendid practical joke by Chris Rock: he gets these prudes to recommend his show to other zealots and nitwits, then--BAM! the scripts start sounding like his stand-up act... I'm sure the next episode of Everybody Hates Chris will be all about blowjobs and strippers.
Saying Joan of Arcadia was "pro-faith" is a serious misreading o by oisin5199	Oct 21st, 2005 11:59:38 AM
When they compare Ghost Whisperer to Joan of Arcadia, that's just such an inaccurate statement. First, GW couldn't touch Joan - I've been watching GW with my family and it's innocent enough, sentimental cheese with a nice "safe" view of the afterlife, complete with "go to the light" action. But Joan didn't necessarily have a mission to help people, she usually followed "God's" instructions reluctantly and usually didn't know what she was doing. People without faith (like Joe Mantegna's character, the dad) and people questioning their faith (Mary Steenburgen, the mom) were taken just as seriously. And often, viewers were made to question whether Joan was just insane (like the real Joan of Arc). It was a great show that managed to be both dark and upliftingly positive at the same time, hardly ever taking the easy way out with schmaltz. I guess I'm just insulted that this idiotic group adopted a show they had no business being associated with.
CSI did go a little overboard with the pervert cases last year by DevilCat	Oct 21st, 2005 12:03:22 PM
I'm no fan of this group but CSI did spend too much time, at least until the excellent QT-directed ep, building eps around people with strange fetishes. It got predictable and boring.
Arrested Development by Sean38	Oct 21st, 2005 12:07:05 PM
Arrested Development is regular family viewing in my house. But then, my kids are smart.
We get that Extreme Makeover shit in the UK, though I don't by scrumdiddly	Oct 21st, 2005 12:12:58 PM
how much do they SPEND on those houses?!?! It's not just structural/decorative work either - they're filled to the ceiling with furniture and electronics. What an offensive pile of shit. Not surprising they value it so highly, those are the sorts of hypocritical, deeply unhappy people I'd expect would enjoy it. They scream too much, too.
And you wonder why the Puritans were laughed out of England. by cookylamoo	Oct 21st, 2005 01:05:10 PM

BAH! I SPIT IN THE FACE OF THE PTC by nofate	Oct 21st, 2005 01:30:06 PM
YOUR ANTICS FAIL TO IMPRESS ME.
Screw the PTC - they're a stain on America by Russman	Oct 21st, 2005 01:35:56 PM
If Iever have kids I only hope that I'm smart enough to control my own kids and make sure they don't watch things that I don't want them to see - without the help of a bunch of old prudes who are ashamed that they have genatalia. And that goes for the MPAA review board too. Land of the Free, my ass.
Anyone Else Find the Everybody Hates Chris mom oddly attractive? by tonagan	Oct 21st, 2005 01:46:07 PM
There's just something about her...
Laughed out of England? by Quin the Eskimo	Oct 21st, 2005 02:14:25 PM
Idiot. They were being killed.
Um. by scrumdiddly	Oct 21st, 2005 02:35:13 PM

No South Park or Drawn Together? by ejcarter9	Oct 21st, 2005 02:36:23 PM
Drawn Together makes Family Guy look like a scripture reading.
Because they wouldn;t shut up. by cookylamoo	Oct 21st, 2005 02:40:44 PM

I don't recall any big Purtian Massacres by cookylamoo	Oct 21st, 2005 02:44:34 PM
John Buyan was imprisioned but not killed. Do your research before you call people names, Quinn.
Didn't they hang Cromwell's body up in public for like 3 by chrth	Oct 21st, 2005 02:47:17 PM
That had to be a deterrent to the Puritan faith ...
On cable and Puritans by chrth	Oct 21st, 2005 02:54:32 PM
Ok, just checked Wiki, there were no Puritan massacres. As for cable, the PTC (among others) are usually only concerned with the free broadcast television shows, because in theory, parents can choose not to have a cable channel in the house, but they can't stop the insidious broadcast signals of the network from reaching hidden TVs with aluminum foil ears in the closets of our nation's youth ...
More people telling other people what to do... by Christopher3	Oct 21st, 2005 03:01:17 PM
And say and think. What happened to this country? MYOB.
Does anybody care? by Josh Town	Oct 21st, 2005 03:11:08 PM
The P-T-C can take it up the A-S-S.
Cooky by Quin the Eskimo	Oct 21st, 2005 03:22:55 PM
got Wyclef and Cromwell mixed up. BUT James HATED puritans, so they left because they were discriminated against. Do I think this PTC is good. No, there idiots, but I'm not about to call for their head on a platter John the Bapstist style.
"More people telling other people what to do...and say and think by chrth	Oct 21st, 2005 03:24:04 PM
HELLO, you're on the Internet. Everybody here is trying to tell you what to do or say or think. Do you not read movie reviews? Book reviews? Talk to friends? ... People, the PTC doesn't run the government, they have the right to their own opinion. Now please, I think it's time we all put our dicks back in our pants ... this circle is no fun anymore. Besides, there's Narnia trailers to bitch about!
Cooky by Quin the Eskimo	Oct 21st, 2005 03:32:17 PM
Richard Crashfield (martyr) Now, I'm done with this, I think I'll eat pie
I'm suprised... by Silverhour	Oct 21st, 2005 04:12:44 PM
That 7th Heaven is only 9th on the list. I would think that a group like this would fawn over it. And I am suprised they don't have King of the Hill on the list, as someone else mentioned. I watch Family Guy, but never found War and Home funny, and dispise American Dad. I'm not really surprised Simpsons isn't on the list, that show hasn't been worth mentioning for a long time.
that 70's Show by gnoswal1	Oct 21st, 2005 04:20:58 PM
Frequent references are made to pornography and masturbation. In one episode, for example, Kelso decides that he has to start respecting women, so he gives Fez his entire collection of pornographic magazines. Jackie says that giving Fez a "box full of nudie magazines" is like giving a monkey a loaded gun, to which Fez replies, "No, it's not. A monkey with a loaded gun can hurt a lot of people. I can only hurt myself." Now that's funny...
Puritans were discrimated against because they were bloody pains by cookylamoo	Oct 21st, 2005 04:23:00 PM
So they came to America where the could become kings of creation. (Kurt Vonnegut opened my eyes to this) Now, they only get laughed at in Europe.
chrth by DarthFloyd	Oct 21st, 2005 04:26:37 PM
I agree with you that these religous zealots are entitled to their opinion, no matter how outdated they are in their thinking. After all, this is still a free country, and nobody is holding a gun to their heads and making them watch any of these shows. That having been said, if they don't like these shows they list as the 10 worst, DON'T WATCH IT!!! A group like this making a "10 worst" list is only going to invite people to watch the shows they don't want people to watch. I would invite the PTC to have a nice, hot, fresh cup of "Shut the fuck up" and go away...
Cooky by Quin the Eskimo	Oct 21st, 2005 04:37:05 PM
If you find it OK for a government to discriminate a religion it doesn't like, you sir have the lunacy of Nero. You are a cro-magna idiot. Now do us all a favor draw a bath, drag your knuckles into the kitchen get the toaster, plug it in and toss it in the bath. Now you get in. This is by far the meanest thing I've ever postes, but I call a spade a spade.
It's ok to not allow your child to watch certain shows! by Froduss	Oct 21st, 2005 04:47:37 PM
Do you seriouslly want your 6 year old watching Family Guy? American Dad? I think the PTC, as far as "this" particular article sets out to accomplish, is to denote those shows that are and aren't family fare. This doesn't mean (at least for the sake of family entertainment) that these shows should be cancelled, but merely "Hey, your 6 year old isn't going to benefit from seeing Brian Griffen directing porno movies". It's up to the parent in the very end to decide what is appropriate, but there seems to be a trend to attack any one who enforces a bit of morality towards their kids. So PTC has a list, what's the problem in that? Half of the shows on the "worst" list are scheduled to record at our house, but I'm not about to let my child watch them. Nothing is wrong with instilling a strong value system into your child whether you are a Christian, Jew, Buddhist or even an Atheist. Censoring a show to the point of cancellation is a different issue, but turning some shows off that are not age appropriate means your doing your job as a parent. Perhaps, those of you who ARE parents and still seem to attack any sense of a moral code that some parents still uphold for their child shouldn't be "judging" in the first place. Yeah, I'll admit, I've let my kids watch Family Guy with me a couple of times, however, you'll find your jaw dropping to the floor and reaching for the remote after the first 5 minutes changing it over to Cartoon Network. Those shows are rough, it's why we like them, but they're not enjoyable when an impressionable little child is sitting next to you. It's like sex, great for adults, but you don't want them in the room or even awake down the hall for that either.
Fair do's to the Puritans by Psychonaut	Oct 21st, 2005 04:48:21 PM
When Cromwell got in, they did a pretty good job of discriminating against everyone else.
So they like Hewitt shoving her tits out then? by elab49	Oct 21st, 2005 04:50:26 PM
TO paraphrase the old saying - looks like the devil has the best TV too. Did we ever doubt it?
How funny is Arrested Development? by Fantomex	Oct 21st, 2005 04:53:22 PM
Reading the PTC description of the show made me laugh. Thats how funny.
Quinn, at least I don't stoop to insulting people who disagr by cookylamoo	Oct 21st, 2005 04:57:05 PM
It doesn't make your point to descend to name calling. It just reflects badly on your own intellectual prowess. I'll turn the other cheek. Is that Christian enough for you? Personally, I'm tired of the way some people who have been passing judgment right and left and get called on it and suddenly start crying "religious persecution". I don't care what your religion is. Just practice it quietly and leave me the fuck alone.
What's a Cro-Magna? by Childe Roland	Oct 21st, 2005 05:07:47 PM
Is that anything like the Magna Carta? I'm just curious. Religions are free to be religions and people are free to laugh at anyone who doesn't share thier beliefs. Being ridiculed for what you believe is hardly what folks mean when they refer to religous persecution. Burning, on the other hand, like the Puritans did for those suspected of witchcraft, is definitely religous persecution. As for the PTC, I laugh at their belief that a cartoon can undermine the fabric of morality in America. How flimsy does your fabric have to be for you to fear Brian the alcoholic dog?
Ghost Whisperer by Darth Melkor	Oct 21st, 2005 05:26:31 PM
I actually enjoy this show. I never watched Joan of Arcadia, or Medium. But, this is decent Friday night fare. Better than a lot of what's on.
By the way, Quinn, who are you calling a spade? by cookylamoo	Oct 21st, 2005 06:06:05 PM
Come up here to Harlem and say that.
I didn't by Quin the Eskimo	Oct 21st, 2005 06:08:20 PM
understand that at all. And I really don't wat you fried. I don't want anyone fried. But a bigot is a bigot, no matter who the taget is.
Well said, Froduss by ianiiixvi	Oct 21st, 2005 06:42:56 PM
Finally, an intelligent and well-reasoned argument regarding the PTC list. I'm one of those "Christers" as "Kid Z" so eloquently put it. To add to Froduss' wisdon if you read what is written they point out that Family Guy is popular amongst youngsters and that's one of their concerns. Clearly it's not a family show by any stretch but you've got to ask, "What the hell are the parents thinking?" And there's the crux. The PTC isn't endorsing censorship and I disagree that FG is packaged as a family program. All PTC is doing is pointing out that something is pretty fucked up regarding which shows are... A/ Being watched by "the kids" B/ What's being shown earlier than might be appropriate. I watch Family Guy faithfully, enjoy AD, tolerate CSI (I work with cops and the SOCOs -scene of crime officers- laugh at the absurdity of the program), really enjoy The Shield, 24, L&O... You get the idea. But I sure as hell will not let my three daughters-all under 9- watch any of that stuff. It's ADULT! NOT for kids. A 9 year old at my kids dance studio was telling me about how her and her younger brothers watch the Simpsons and I had to bite my tongue and stop myself from running after the parents and telling them the mistake they're making. Similar to something Harry mentioned offhandedly about letting his under 5 year old nephew/niece? watch a horror film and how repugnant I thought that was to expose that young child to clearly adult fare. It was borderline abuse. Yeah. Sorry Harry. That's strong and I make no apologies for it. It's time for parents to start being parents and responsible for their kids. Certainly part of the problem with society is poor parenting. Please. Don't start with bullshit about me saying it's the whole thing. It isn't but it's certainly a sympton. Adult TV is adult TV-not pron people-and as such anyone who watches it with their kids is hurting them as much as if they didn't feed them or beat them regularly. It's just harder to see the marks. PS. I look forward to someday watching the LOTR trilogy as my girls get older and to watch other, more mature fare, when they reach their teens, but it won't happen until they're better equipped to handle some of the stronger stuff that's on TV and in the theaters. ianiiixvi
Ok so they were some good points and agree with shows like the S by Cod Profundity	Oct 21st, 2005 07:41:25 PM
look if the kids already understand the references on the show then seeing it on TV won't make any difference, and if they don't get the reference then there's no problem.
I blame EVERYONE that is dumb enough to use fucking as a form of by Horseflesh	Oct 21st, 2005 07:59:37 PM
You people mess up a great thing and you make me sick. Eat your babies and fuck with a condom on. I'll be at the Drafthouse not listening to your cuntload talk out loud.
Fuck the PTC!!! by YankeeMan	Oct 21st, 2005 08:39:31 PM
The Rev. Donald Wildmon, & others of his ilk have no business telling me what not to watch! I'm fucking smart enough to know what shows are and aren't appropriate for my kids!!
I've always thought he should be Reverend "Tameman" by cookylamoo	Oct 21st, 2005 08:44:22 PM
But after all, that's why God gave us a channel changer.
Religious dildos are such moe-rons by zekmoe	Oct 21st, 2005 09:20:48 PM
I mean, looking at the lists over the years, the best shows in the last 8 years are often there. Is there some rule somewhere that people who believe in some old fictional morality tales (bible...just fables to tell a populace a way to live) as litereral interpretations are always idiots? I suppose they are.
D'oh! by ianiiixvi	Oct 21st, 2005 10:07:58 PM
Cod Profundity-I love the Simpsons. The older stuff anyway. I still nearly pee myself singing "When I was 17..." Good stuff. I don't disagree that a lot of the material flies high over the kids heads it's just that, from my viewpoint and choice, I would really rather NOT have my kids watching that kind of family dynamic. Ultimately it's a loving family but let's face it. Bart's a little shit. Homer's a dolt...ok, that's beyond obvious. Bart's behaviour, while pretty funny, is not something I want to see my kids emulate. Honestly, kids, all of us really, already have an inborn tendency to selfishness, curiousity, mischief and until my kids are old enough to understand it in the context of the show I don't let them watch it when they are still working out who they are and right and wrong-under the guidance of my wife and me. Why make a challenging situation worse by exacerbating it with artificial stimulation....hmmm. That sounds really bad. I hope you understand. Horseflesh-Dude. Drink beer and be quiet until you're passed out. 'K? Yankeeman- The PTC is giving advice. They're coming from a certain perspective and allowing you, the parent, the choice whether or not to act on it. They give some pretty reasonable explanations based on..."family viewing." I don't see a gun held to your head. All the best to you and your family. cookylamoo-Exactly! But some parents haven't a clue what their kids are watching. zekmoe-Let's see. strawman? check. ad hominem attack? check. Broad generalization? check. Ahhhh. Talkback heaven. hehe ianiiixvi
religious wackos by zacdilone	Oct 21st, 2005 10:53:53 PM
As a religious person, I can only say this list is anything but freakin' sweet.
Why the PTC is really a Pro Censorship organization by Monkeybrains	Oct 21st, 2005 11:54:00 PM
Don't be fooled by thinking Bozell is just trying to protect your children. That is the least of his concerns. His agenda is to force his OWN political and religious beliefs into your life. What makes it even more despicable, is that he is using YOUR children as his shield. He
the great thing about this list... by coop	Oct 22nd, 2005 12:23:34 AM
The great thing about this list is the descriptions. I read through them all and the ones on the worst list made you want to watch them. It seems to me they are not doing what they intend by putting descriptions on there like from Arrested Development: "Tobias says he was an analyst and a therapist, making him the first "analrapist."
Forget the PTC... check THIS out by The_Deathticle	Oct 22nd, 2005 02:25:25 AM
This shit here will freak you out... http://www.capalert.com/caprep orts/index.htm Read some of these reviews and know the INSANITY of religious zealots.
All together, everybody: "It ain't easaaaay being white" by Lenny Nero	Oct 22nd, 2005 03:43:37 AM
"IT AIN'T EASAAAAAY BEING BLACK!"
Re: PTC, what is ITV? by Lenny Nero	Oct 22nd, 2005 03:50:36 AM
I watch a lot, a LOT of television, but I've never heard of this channel. Probably a Christian channel, am I right? Damn me with my Jewish networks!
I love the PTC by Trader Groucho 2	Oct 22nd, 2005 04:11:52 AM
I look to their list of what to boycott to set my TiVo. Thanks PTC!
But the issue isn't simply the palatable and sensible one of by elab49	Oct 22nd, 2005 05:16:02 AM
what your children watch. That would hardly be a problem (although parents should be left to decide for themselves IMO). The problem is when these self-appointed moral guardians then start ATTACKING the shows they disaprove of. Put simply - many of them are the type of people who would lambast Potter for the simple use of witchcraft and ignore the good triumphing over evil in the face of adversity, and adore Narnia when, lets face it, the books endorse a kind of christianity the Inquisition might find extreme (although I assume some cuddly screenwriter will try and avoid most of that). Perhaps some of them just aren't too bright and are incapable of determining the true meaning below the surface of creative work. So their word is worthless. And to accept their opinion as other than that does the one doing it a disservice. Unless they are as shallow.
PTC = More Puritanical Totalitarian Conservative Christian @ssho by ZombieSolutions	Oct 22nd, 2005 09:49:13 AM
thankfully for the free-thinkers of the world, the time of the christian right is just about up. ah, sweet, sweeet BACKLASH!!! buh-bye neocons and neonazis! we won't be missing you...
I believe the only word that describes these people would be by RezE11even	Oct 22nd, 2005 10:13:22 AM
Douchebags. Or fuckers. Or scrotom sucking semen slurpers. The list goes on.
why does this upset people? by JMM-MUK	Oct 22nd, 2005 10:25:17 AM
This group isn't protesting these shows or telling people to boycott anything. They're just saying these shows aren't family friendly, and they're right! What's wrong with saying that? I myself am a fan of Cold Case, but I do notice that they have some sick things on that show for 8pm... And I'm a big Family Guy fan, but it's not for kids. I'd almost consider this an "anti-censorship list" because it's actually trying to help people know what shows aren't good for their kids. Yes, they should know what they're watching, but this only helps. And those aren't all a bunch of safe, cute, wholesome religious shows on the family list. Bernie Mac's a funny show, show's Chris Rock's. I mean, in their own words: "Although there is occasional mild language and sexual innuendo, the messages are overwhelmingly positive and heartfelt." That doesn't sound like some angry censoring group to me. Granted, they've picked some crappy shows as "family-friendly", but maybe someone should create a good show that kids can watch that isn't animated or star puppets. In fact, I don't notice anything on that page that says "this show should be taken off the air", so let them make their list! Who cares? Of course, they've probably wasted their breath listing the War at Home. That'll be cancelled soon enough.
RE: Pot to Kettle... by vnv01	Oct 22nd, 2005 10:36:29 AM
Wow... Let's get fired up by the conspiracists seeking to destroy Family Guy by...wait for it... attacking them with all of the intelligence of dried squid! I laughed hard enough at the weak ass points made about EHC, but that historical lesson on the Puritans hit the high water mark.. Christ, how old do you have to be to remember a time before people used a wikipedia to actually learn a few historical facts? I'd be less concerned about whether Family Guy stays on air, and more concererned about just how incredibly dumb our children are getting... Kinda proves PTC's point doesn't it?
F*CK the PTC and long live the Internet and Free Speech by ATARI	Oct 22nd, 2005 01:18:31 PM
The Christian Right is neither.
Monkeybrains, you are right on the money by DarthFloyd	Oct 22nd, 2005 03:38:31 PM
No pun intended. This group isn't just about "looking out for kids" when it comes out with these lists, this is a call to arms to all the lemmings out there who blindly follow along with the PTC and other like-minded groups to contact the advertisers and threaten them with boycotts if they don't remove their products from those shows. They have been around for a while and they know what they are doing. This is about shoving their morality down our throats. For all of you parents out there who actually USE this list, let me give you a novel idea...spend some time with your children and determine what boundaries YOU think are appropriate in terms of family viewing. Stop blindly following some list a bunch of zealots put out and see what is on for yourselves. Note to the PTC and the rest of these so-called neo-conservative evangelicals...God called, He/She want their religon back.
this is obviously for people who can't think for themselves by oisin5199	Oct 22nd, 2005 07:22:20 PM
You can look at a list and see if it corresponds to your "values" and you can feel smug in the knowledge that you're following the Christian way...at least according to these bigots. I think there's a site for movies somewhere (I forget what it is, my wife used to use it all the time) that simply lists all the potentially objectionable material in the film. No ranking, no judgements, no criticism, just details. Then you, the parent, can make your own informed decision about whether you'd let your child see it. Better yet, you can see it first yourself then make the decision. With my 12 year old stepson, we've certainly distinguished between a movie that we would or wouldn't let him watch in the theatre, but perhaps at home, where we can take a break and pause it. Or a movie at home he can watch at home by himself, as opposed to watching it with us, so that we can give him some context or we can discuss it. With TV, we generally drew a line between fantasy violence and "real" violence. We've let him watch Buffy and Angel with us, but not 24 or whatever CSI-type show. Granted, I was not totally comfortable with him watching the 6th season of Buffy with the depressing stuff (plus the wanton sex and the fact that the bad guys were human). But when it's clearly framed as a fantasy world, with karate kicks and swordfighting, I think that's different than violence with guns and "real world" stuff. Anyway, it's all about context. Not to quote NBC, but the more you know, the better. This is called thinking for yourself and engaging your child, not depending on some stupid list to tell you what to think and how to protect your children.
Watch with your kids by Froduss	Oct 22nd, 2005 10:55:56 PM
The best thing in the end is to watch what your kids watch, and then decide if the content of the program fits in or challenges the upbringing you are providing for your child. A parents job is to mold your child and prepare him for the world, and blindly sending them off to watch whatever by trusting the censors or a channel's reputation can have mixed results and is a bit lazy on the parent's part. Not to bring up Janet Jackson, but this is how I explained it to people. First off, tits are good, they are great even. If I'm watching HBO, and some show up in a provacative situation, well looks like I lucked out. Of course, I know that sort of content is going to appear on HBO so I'm not going to watch it with my kid. Now, with the SuperBowl, there is a level of knowing what to expect as far as exceptable content for the whole family. Since they broke that established reputation, that they are at fault. It's not even the nudity that was offensive, big deal, its a tit, I don't think a my kid is going to be damaged from seeing a 40 year old nipple (thanks Chris Rock). It was the way it was presented and revealed, aggresive towards a woman (and not even that sexy either). In the end, it was lame and stupid, a desperate lunge for attention for a pop star who hasn't been in the spotlight for a while. In a similar fashion, if I happen to watch Adult Swim with my kid, and something offensive pops up there, well, that is MY fault because I knew better and my kid should have been in bed. I don't believe in censorship, but I do believe that everything should have its place and time. I saw some mention of the Simpsons in a previous post, I have 2 year old twins and a 6 year old, and they are welcome to watch the Simpsons with me, at times though. However, since it is the reruns we watch together, I generally know which episodes are good and which are bad for the kids.
You may be thinking of capalert.com, where they cite biblical pa by Lenny Nero	Oct 22nd, 2005 11:20:35 PM

At Least "Everybody Hates Chris" snuck in there by JA_Prufrock	Oct 23rd, 2005 10:58:57 AM
I would totally agree that most of the crap reality/brainwashing BS they have as best is the sux, but at lest something that is truly funny like Chris Rock's show made it.... And I love Family Guy but I don't watch it with my kids either so i can't disagree there...The problem isn't their worst list because almost all of those are top rated shows..its their Best list that reeks of wholesome shittiness..
The Best List... by Froduss	Oct 23rd, 2005 11:15:45 AM
...is crap, I will totally agree with you guys on that. What is available out there for family entertainment is homogenized and vanilla filler, however, I have gotten a bit misty eyed while watching Extreme Makeover: Home Edition once, sniff.
jesus, that's funny by johnnyjlawless	Oct 23rd, 2005 02:54:23 PM
The Fez quote made me want to start watching 'That 70's..' again. Taking things out of their context like that is a blueprint for comedy gold.
From that CAP website: their review of 'South Park' high by johnnyjlawless	Oct 23rd, 2005 06:08:23 PM
South Park is an incredibly dangerous movie for those who do not understand or are developing an understanding of the Gospel ....... INCREDIBLY dangerous. Some of the scenes in South Park reminded me so much of the image of demons screeching and dancing around a boiling cauldron as Satan gleefully looks on from the background as the demons pitch soul after soul after soul into the burning cauldron.. Satan is portrayed as the homosexual lover of Saddam Hussein and is portrayed as a sensitive, loving and caring being while the One who cast him into Hell clearly tells the Truth about him: that Satan's only interests are to steal, kill and destroy [John 10:10]. Hussein waves his disembodied male member around. And it was not a cardboard drawing like most other images of the movie -- it was of photographic resolution."
Some people... by Daveydje	Oct 24th, 2005 07:24:14 AM
I'm sorry, but how do they expect to be taken seriously when the 'Best' list has American Idol on it, and Family Guy on the worst...
I'm gonna commit a sin here but, Arrested Development has no by Drath	Oct 24th, 2005 09:24:52 AM
I don't know what's wrong, but this show has gotten too goofy/stupid for me. Yes it was always goofy/stupid, but now it's just dumb. I hate it whenever Buster or Tobias are on screen, I'd like them both to vanish! Michael's not a sympathetic character for me anymore (give him a girl and stick with her). I think they are running out of ideas for Maybe and George Michael, George Jr's newly discovered son looks older than him, and Charlize Theron's character had better turn out to not actually be English because her accent is crap! And I'm so sick of that twin brother, let Jeffrey Tambor play the evil father and quit with the "good" uncle!!! At least Henry Winkler is gone and Bob Lawblaw is a funny name. But this is going into Ally McBeal stupidity now.

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