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ROTS DVD deleted scene images! Fuel Room! Dagobah! Jedi Death!

Fuck yeah! by Frogface	Sep 28th, 2005 07:52:30 AM
In most cases I can see why scenes are deleted. But how cool would it have been to see yoda land at his new home!
It's not "nice" to see Dagobah... by Monster Rain	Sep 28th, 2005 07:52:51 AM
It's FUCKING FANTASTIC! As pleased as I was with "Episode III," I did feel a little cheated that we never saw Yoda arriving on that slimy mudhole he called home. It's a minor detail, but it would have further rounded out the series, and been a nice callback to the series' greatest film. Is this on the DVD as an extra, or re-inserted into the film itself? I wonder...
this may be the first by BitterMan23	Sep 28th, 2005 07:52:53 AM
new trilogy DVD i actually bother opening.
Sweet! by thomasgaffney	Sep 28th, 2005 07:55:45 AM
Thanks for the pics!
Funny, isn't it... by Brendon	Sep 28th, 2005 07:55:46 AM
...that the second best film in the entire set of six (ie, this one) is still only about the thirtieth or so best film I've seen this year. At least Empire would have made it into the top fifteen. (And, yes, points to the first one for being visionary, but points off for being half-baked)
Great....more spaceships landing. by Barney Hood	Sep 28th, 2005 07:57:11 AM

Still doesn't explain why Luke remembers Dagobah. by rev_skarekroe	Sep 28th, 2005 07:59:18 AM
Maybe they'll save it for a Very Special Episode of the TV show.
I think the prequels still suck by ATARI	Sep 28th, 2005 08:00:25 AM
Next question?
Yeah, ATARI... by Brendon	Sep 28th, 2005 08:04:26 AM
...and Return of the Jedi doesn't?
Its not Luke remembering Dagobah by Falcon5768	Sep 28th, 2005 08:06:16 AM
Its Luke remebering Yoda. He sences Yodas presence and remembers hes felt it before (on the ship after he was born obviously)
This movie... by jaxnnux	Sep 28th, 2005 08:17:38 AM
sucked.
The prequels wouldn't have sucked ... by MajorOcelot	Sep 28th, 2005 08:18:32 AM
if they had all been like ROTS. It had some near cringeworthy moments but they never became full cringeworthy moments which I(especially) and II were riddled with, and their cool moments couldn't erase them. Also, Return of the Jedi didn't suck before they put in that gay CGI sing along and the crappy new Ewok song at the end. I remember I used to dance to the old one when I was a kid, where did it go? Sad.
Forgot to say ... by MajorOcelot	Sep 28th, 2005 08:20:19 AM
Deleted scenes for ROTS could definitely make it the number 2 best movie out of the 6.
holy Force-balls by megadith	Sep 28th, 2005 08:26:02 AM
Thank you!! this is fucking awesome. All we need now is qui-gon. please lucas you money loving whore. help a brother out.
"Return of the Jedi didn't suck before they put in that gay by DocPazuzu	Sep 28th, 2005 08:33:45 AM
Ummm... yes it did, actually. ROTJ is by far the worst one of the bunch.
Shaak Ti was cool as fuck in CLONE WARS... by MantisRapture	Sep 28th, 2005 08:38:39 AM
but so was General Greivous. I wanna see a version of ROTS where he aint a coughing gimp with a stupid fuckin accent but a hardcore jedi slayer. Hopefully Shaak Ti's accent aint changed and she aint got some sort of respiratory problem in this
GOD DAMN LYING JEDI.. by Ra Ra Rasputin	Sep 28th, 2005 08:40:12 AM
Not once did Anakin say "give this lightsabre, to my boy". Lying Jedi Bastards.
fucking awesome! by warp11	Sep 28th, 2005 08:44:28 AM
ROTS was already 2nd to Empire for top Star Wars films. These deleted scenes just made it even better.
ROTS in Retrospect by Sean38	Sep 28th, 2005 08:47:51 AM
I enjoyed Revenge of the Sith the one time I saw it at the theater bu in retroespect... "I've got the high ground!" "She appears to have lost the will to live." "Noooooooooooooooooooooo!" Enough said.
And this is supposed to make me buy a piece-of-shit movie, WHY? by filker-tom	Sep 28th, 2005 08:55:18 AM
Sorry, Lucas has gotten the last dollar he ever will from me. I don't want supposedly cool deleted scenes from a $200 million B-movie. I wanted three fucking A-movies. The crawl at the beginning of Episode IV set up the OT just fine, thank you. But Captain Self-Indulgent, surrounding himself with yes-men and SFX teams, completely abandoned the sense of adventure and fun of the OT. Instead of Lando Calrissian, we got Mace Windu. (Okay, not a bad trade in the coolness department, but oh so frickin' serious.) Instead of Leia, we got Queen Senator Doctor Mrs. Steve Elvis Amidala, Truly Deeply Goddess of Angst and Costume Changes. Instead of Han Solo, we got Jar Jar Fuckin' Binks. Instead of R2D2, we get Super Mega Macro Where The Hell Were These Case Mods When We Needed 'Em In Episode 4 R2D2. Instead of a plot, we got crap. Instead of character development, we got weeping. And now we're supposed to get all jazzed again, because they're going to show us a swamp planet and a Jedi being killed? Big fuckin' yip. Arrgh. Sorry. Can't help it. I shouldn't go off like this, but JESUS I am not buying into this any longer. Not another goddamn dime.
Sean38 by DocPazuzu	Sep 28th, 2005 08:58:09 AM
I give you: "I don't know where you get your delusions, laserbrain." ..... "You truly belong with us among the clouds.".... "But I was going to Toshi Station to pick up some power converters!"...... "You're gonna die here, y'know. Convenient.".... "She'll make .5 past light speed.".... "Would someone get this walking carpet out of my way?"...... "Help! I'm melting!"....... and let's not forget Chewie's inexcusable Tarzan yell. My point is that if viewed objectively, all six films have moments of excrutiatingly bad acting and horrible dialogue. As a series they can be criticized for that (if you like shooting fish in a barrel, that is), but picking out one single film for that kind of bashing? Not fair. Not fair at all.
ROTJ haters by Ace Hunter	Sep 28th, 2005 09:05:35 AM
The only weak link in ROTJ was the Ewoks (but at least Lucas had the balls to kill some), the rest (Solo rescue at Jabba's, Luke/Vadar/Emperor showdown)was great. ROTS was forgettable from beginning to end. Flat visually. Flat story. Flat acting(except for Ewan who nails Obi Wan).
"Its not Luke remembering Dagobah" But doesn't he say "There by Regicidal_Maniac	Sep 28th, 2005 09:10:07 AM
I expected that Yoda would take him to Dagobah. I expected a lot of things. The Prequels were like a good looking chick who's a dead fuck when you get her home. No muscle control where it counts and all scrapey teeth where you really don't want teeth to be scraping. Give me ROTJ with all its flaws any day. Now there's a movie that knows how to fuck. To quote Han, "She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts".
ROTS Would Have Ruled by Zipperhead	Sep 28th, 2005 09:16:46 AM
If I was 10 years-old again.
Actually, Doc... by Childe Roland	Sep 28th, 2005 09:17:49 AM
...a lot of those lines you quoted were winking moments of self aware humor that made the films they appeared in that much more endearing (and Lando's line was supposed to sound cheesey). The prequels tried to have a sense of humor about themselves in the first installment, but there wasn't enough else worth a snot going on in that film to make the cheesey humor work (it just made things worse). The bad lines in that first movie (and the worst in the other two) were supposed to be serious moments with gravitas. They didn't even come close to succeedeing. That said, I'm going to give ROTS another chance on DVD with the deleted scenes. For me, so far, it's on a par with Jedi, which was only slightly better than AOTC and the worst of the bunch was definitely TPM(POS).
How come none of the nerds on this site raised holy hell over Do by Lezbo Milk	Sep 28th, 2005 09:18:51 AM
That was every bit as cheesey and I didn't hear one person bitch about it. Actually, there is no non-cheesey way to yell "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" that I can think of. Better just to yell Arrgghhhh! Or Ohhhhhh Fuuuuuuuuuck! or something.
Sigh. Didn't you guys get all the SW bashing out of your sys by I Dunno	Sep 28th, 2005 09:21:20 AM
Do we have to dredge all his shit up again? Why are you wasting your time ranting about a movie in a TB about its DVD release? Go outside and play. Anyway, I never thought a Dagobah scene was necessary. I thought it'd be a neat surprise to see Yoda there for the first time in TESB but I guess it's cool to see it in a deleted scene.
Like the other two before it, repeat viewings show it for what i by Splinter	Sep 28th, 2005 09:21:41 AM
"I enjoyed Revenge of the Sith the one time I saw it at the theater but in retrospect... " ___________________I came out of ROTS saying "That really WAS good! I'm not in denial! It was a great movie!!" I had the oppurtunity to see it again a couple of days ago, and my good, sweet, weeping Christ, it is actually even more cringe-inducing than AOTC. The scene with Windu, Palpatine and Anakin is just fucking excruciating. From Palp's Nooo Nooooo NOOOOOO! to his Excorcist-esque voice (wtf??!) when Anakin turns. In a split-second. Goes and kills some kids. Jesus folks - prepare to have your rsoe-tinted glasses smeared with SHITE when you buy this on DVD. It is inexcerable RUBBISH.
Ace Hunter (awesome ref, btw) by DocPazuzu	Sep 28th, 2005 09:23:58 AM
"Flat visually. Flat story. Flat acting" ...... That's a better description of ROTJ than ROTS, in my opinion. I'm going to ignore my own recent declaration that you can't criticize one single film in the series for weaknesses they all possess in order to draw attention to ROTJ. The acting was AWFUL. Harrison Ford turned Han Solo into a cumbersome, oafish, golly-shucks, love-petulant fathead. Carrie Fisher looked she was auditioning for the part of Old Chief Wood'nhead in Creepshow 2. "Bad ass" Jedi Hamill - didn't shine for one instant until the final battle. Up until that point he was a complete cipher. He showed more character and life even in ANH, which is more damning than anything. The action scenes in ROTJ were horribly choreographed and edited. Just look at the scene of Solo hanging off the skiff by his fucking toes. In the new version of the film they actually digitally insert tangled ropes holding him in place to make it more believable. Many of its SFX aside, it's a shoddy piece of work, comparatively speaking, and made much more disappointing by the fact that it is supposed to be the rousing finale. The fact that it's the worst SW film of them all doesn't mean I hate it. On the contrary; I still love the hell out of it despite its flaws.
Maniac by TempusFugitive	Sep 28th, 2005 09:25:20 AM
Exactly. Something vaguely familiar = Yoda. If you're going to pick nits, you could ask about the vague recollections of her mother by Leia. But in either case, going into the prequels "expecting" to see full blown explanations of seeming throw-away lines is probably the problem here. I mean, didn't we get all the angst of Han saying he had a feeling that he'd never see the Falcon again in RoTJ, only to have everything work out peachy? I know when I heard that, I thought Lando was a goner.
"ROTS is just embarrassing when compared to Serenity." by TempusFugitive	Sep 28th, 2005 09:28:47 AM
Ok, I call troll! The mind fucking boggles....
"There's something vaguely familiar about this place" by www.valiens.com	Sep 28th, 2005 09:29:22 AM
I think Luke was hearkening back to his months baking in Amidala's hairy, moist vagina.
ChildeRoland by DocPazuzu	Sep 28th, 2005 09:30:20 AM
I understand your point, but to me, Jar Jar stepping in poodoo is just as bad as "nerf herder." They're both just typically starwarsian examples of bad, bad humor.
RotJ haters... by Spike Fett	Sep 28th, 2005 09:36:43 AM
...have no dick.
Scenes by Mafu	Sep 28th, 2005 09:39:06 AM
It's nice to see a few extra scenes from ROTS, but I'm just tired of Star Wars in general, so I felt no emotions at all upon seeing the pics. I know a lot of people love the prequels and the orginal trilogy, but I've personally had it with Star Wars. Next?
Nooooooooooooooo! by elric666	Sep 28th, 2005 09:39:26 AM
It would have been nice if Lucas had just hired competent writers and a kewl director to do the prequels. The expectations were so high after 20 odd years from many of us fans that a director/writer of his low caliber just didn't have a chance. I'll give him 'visionary' credit but that's as far as it goes. It seemed like all the prequels were created just to sell plastic toys to emulate the 'plastic' actors that inhabited the films. ROTS was an absolute snooze fest literally throughout just as was AOTC. Then he could have started w/a clean slate on Eps. 7-8-9 "producing" only. At any rate, thank god it's over. SW needs a break like Star Trek. sigh...oh well~signed Disappointed SW Fan
ep iii by Hobbs	Sep 28th, 2005 09:39:42 AM
This film is so much better when you just watch it instead concerning yourself with what the geeks at AICN are thinking. Yet here I am reading and posting. I guess I was made to suffer. It was a good film. I think the biggest difference between the first trilogy and the second has a whole lot more to do with our perspective changing over 20 years than it does with actual content of the films. That being said, it's Lucas' bad luck (if you can call hundreds of millions of dollars bad luck) that his very best work in this series was done in the first two installments (chronilogically not episodically, of course).
Sith sucked and I'll probably never watch it again... by Russman	Sep 28th, 2005 09:43:09 AM
it's just so sad that this movie was so bad. Lucas really let us all down. (sigh) what could have been had he hired a good screenwriter...
lol, i'm sure this TB will have over 10000000 posts in a few by CurryIce	Sep 28th, 2005 09:43:33 AM

Spit on Neeson, too. by SalvatoreGravano	Sep 28th, 2005 09:47:14 AM
I hope Lucas recorded that famous scene for the DVD after all, with a voice impersonator. Better yet - with a voice not at all similar to Neeson's, to say "Your participation is not necessary in the least".
Childe Roland by Mr Jonse	Sep 28th, 2005 09:53:13 AM
That really does sound like you're seeing the OT rose-tinted glasses & the PT through shit-tinted ones. The OT is superior, no question, but I reckon once enough times passed that the prequels aren't tainted with the (inevitable) weight of expectation/dissapointment that went with them, the whole saga will seem a lot more even...
DocPazuzu by Ace Hunter	Sep 28th, 2005 09:53:56 AM
I see it this way. The things you've mentioned as weaknesses were details which (mostly) I agree with. Han was P-whipped, Hamill has always sucked as an actor and every SW film has some cheesy lines. But, for me, ROTJ has a compelling story that helps me overlook some of those dodgy details. Luke willingly confronting Vadar and the Emperor. The Emperor's taunting as father and son duel (an impressive fight that debunks your "weak action scenes" comment in my opinion). The IDEA of a race with limited technology but skillful battle techniques is cool (would've been cooler if they were Wookies instead of merchandising Teddy Bears). To me ROTS was weak both in details (visuals, acting, dialogue) AS WELL AS a story that I did not care about. In other words, with ROTJ I can see the forest for the trees. With ROTS the forest and the trees are a rotted, disease-ridden mess. I don't think either one of us will convince the other, but I'd wager we're both SW fans of the overall series. Now let's go beat up some Trekkies.
"Something vaguely familiar = Yoda. If you're going to pick by Regicidal_Maniac	Sep 28th, 2005 09:57:45 AM
Well I'm not exactly NIT-PICKING when I point out that Luke says "There's someTHING vaguely familiar about THIS PLACE" as opposed to say "There's someONE vaguely familar..." Also Leia's memories of their mother are a far more egregious error and you were right in bringing it up as an example of how bad ROTS is. The PT has fakakta continuity and alls I'm sayin is it needn't have since it was written AFTER and had the benefit of knowing what was to come. It's the difference between good writing and a respect of your audience versus lazy and arrogant writing and only caring about your audience's wallets.
"an impressive fight" by DocPazuzu	Sep 28th, 2005 09:59:43 AM
I disagree about the ROTJ duel. Apart from a couple of cool moves, it mostly looks like two kids duelling with curtain rods, each afraid of hitting the other's knuckles and getting in trouble with their mothers. I mean just look at Luke when he's "pressing" the advantage, dragging his leg behind him and loudly waving his saber around. Vader actually backed away from THAT?!? Yes, let's kick some trekkie ass.
Will these scenes be put back in the movie or just "extras"? by jrbarker	Sep 28th, 2005 10:00:23 AM
Anyone know?
Thanks Doc... by Ace Hunter	Sep 28th, 2005 10:02:48 AM

you've given me a reason to pop in my ROTJ dvd by Ace Hunter	Sep 28th, 2005 10:03:34 AM

One more thing, Ace... by DocPazuzu	Sep 28th, 2005 10:04:00 AM
...no, it's not "The good guys always win - even in the 80s!".... I agree with the things you called "details" in my complaints about ROTJ, as pertaining to the film as an independent entity. However, they become much more than details to me because of the weight the characters are carrying from the previous two films. The love story from ESB never blooms and is reduced to an embarrassing display which, more than anything, looks like two teens who have fallen OUT of love but aren't quite sure how to break the news to the other so they keep going through the motions.
Oh come on Doc the choreography might not have been top notch bu by Regicidal_Maniac	Sep 28th, 2005 10:04:11 AM
The very thing missing from all the expertly choreographed fights in the Prequels. Now where's by Klingon beating stick?
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But Reg... by Mr Jonse	Sep 28th, 2005 10:04:58 AM
...his options from a writing point of view were: a) Padme lives at the end of ROTS and we never find out what happened to her or, b) She dies and the film ends with the kids being hidden. At the expense of a tiny and easily explainable inconsistency, I'd take the latter every time...
RotS biggest movie of the year... by acroyear77	Sep 28th, 2005 10:05:13 AM
...not bad for a movie that "sucked". King King won't make more than RotS and Serenity would be lucky to make 1/10th RotS intake. Get over it, losers.
"but the ROTJ duel had emotion" by DocPazuzu	Sep 28th, 2005 10:08:31 AM
Which is why its hamfisted execution is so much more aggravating. Set phasers to "shower".
As much as people hate ROTS by DigitalDong	Sep 28th, 2005 10:12:00 AM
You all still saw it. Suckers.
ROTS is #1 Best SW film of all time! by welther47	Sep 28th, 2005 10:12:26 AM
It has impressive symbolism (transformation/revelation of the Devil right after the deal is struck; Palpatine destroying the Senate in more ways than one; Anakin dying giving birth to Vader while Padme dies giving birth to the twins; Vader's force-choke used to show both his destructive nature and his inability to let go), the fastest pace yet of a SW film, beautiful visuals, and the best story (how a hero turns on his friends and destroys them all) of the whole batch. It makes ALL the other five better films.
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What a mind-boggling list of geek faves, has-beens and never-weres. I wouldn't give them a fucking dime because of O.J. though.
Ah yes Jonse but if plotted better... by Regicidal_Maniac	Sep 28th, 2005 10:13:32 AM
perhaps if Vader had turned at the end of II then Padme could have gone into hiding and been killed in a fit of revenge during the third film or something. It would have worked better if there was a love triangle between Padme and the swarthy Bail Organa and a brash idealistic Anakin. That way the child could watch as Vader (pre volcano) kills Padme and ObiWan arrives just too late to save her but just in time to save the kid. Something like that. I don't know and this point just reiterates why the prequels should probably never have even been made.
I can't believe by clone-o-mat	Sep 28th, 2005 10:14:18 AM
no one's talking about the awful composite job on the wide shot with Anakin and Obi Wan in the "water"...Holy cut and paste!
Movie still sucks by Hate_Speech	Sep 28th, 2005 10:16:19 AM
even with this "bonus" footage. Terrible movie.
Doc, we've got some common ground by Ace Hunter	Sep 28th, 2005 10:19:30 AM
I agree ROTJ is the weakest of the original trilogy. But it still beats the ever-loving crap out of ROTS. If you want to talk about screwing up a love story, the prequel's embarassing attempt makes the Han/Leia relationship look like Bogie and Bacall. Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got ROTJ sitting in the DVD player waiting. (I'll close my eyes during the embarassing "special edition" crap).
Serenity is a good movie by welther47	Sep 28th, 2005 10:19:33 AM
Just not as good as ROTS. First off, it's not nearly as ambitious or creative. Also, though Whedon absolutely does a great job with his characters and the placement of important death scenes, overall the story is a wimp (apart from a kickass badguy). And Mr. Universe? Terrible.
someTHING vs. someONE by TempusFugitive	Sep 28th, 2005 10:20:45 AM
Well now see, that really IS nit-picking, since it's the "feeling" of Yoda that seemed familiar... a "thing" rather than a "one". Both this and Leia's memory of her mother were described vaguely enough as to be interpretable (word?) as "force" memories. In my mind, at least...
The problem with the plot of Serenity by welther47	Sep 28th, 2005 10:22:14 AM
Is that it is a situation, not a story. There is precious little to be said about what these otherwise wonderful characters achieve or fail to achieve in terms of who and what they are. Basically, we already know that Mal will fight for his crew. Other than that, what else is there to this one?
clone-o-mat, BallToucher drew my attention it it and it's an by Regicidal_Maniac	Sep 28th, 2005 10:22:29 AM
Also to DigitalDong, yes I saw it but if it counts I was given a pirate DVD of the film, good quality pic and sound but peeyew on everything else. But you're right I did waste about 2 hours of my life on this dreck which is a shame. On the bright side my couch is muy muy comfortable and beats the ever living heck out of every cinema seat that doesn't come with Fujiko Kano at my personal disposal and I could pause it and go have a bath, or whatever, whenever I wanted to so that at least is a minor plus.
Jedi Standing in the Sewer Pic by Squashua	Sep 28th, 2005 10:22:38 AM
They're standing in the water? NO. They're obviously standing in CGI!! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP, I SAY! Stop using CGI, Lucas! It's not like you don't have the money to purchase ACTUAL REAL LIFE EFFECTS!
Fair point Reg... by Mr Jonse	Sep 28th, 2005 10:24:12 AM
But then Vader would know about Leia. Plus no interaction at all between Anakin & Padme for the entire duration of the third film whould have made it very action-heavy/story-lite (though this may have been to some people's preference). But I know what you mean though...
Serenity vs. ROTS vs. Spiderman vs. Throw Momma From the Train by TempusFugitive	Sep 28th, 2005 10:24:22 AM
" Sux! anyone who liked it is a luser! rulz! It will pwn you!" Morons.
Imagine you'd never seen Eps. 4-6... by welther47	Sep 28th, 2005 10:25:34 AM
And you watched Eps. 1-3 as they came out. How freaked would you be by the destruction of the Jedi? Me? See, I think I'd be pretty damned freaked.
TempusFugitive, yes the fact that they are open to interpreattio by Regicidal_Maniac	Sep 28th, 2005 10:25:34 AM
like trying to reconcile the PT with the OT does.
I have seen Serenity by welther47	Sep 28th, 2005 10:26:39 AM
And I said it was good. Just not the second coming.
Re: Mike Tee by Darth Busey	Sep 28th, 2005 10:29:01 AM
That's great...too bad Serenity will be out of theaters in 3 weeks. There is no way this thing even comes close to $100 million domestic.
"interpreattion" = interpretation by Regicidal_Maniac	Sep 28th, 2005 10:29:27 AM
and with that, I'm off to bed. This has been fun and I expect the post count to be thoroughly unwieldy when I get up tomorrow. Goodnight.
Course, that's if ... by welther47	Sep 28th, 2005 10:29:42 AM
I would've bothered after 1 & 2. Which I wouldn't have.
Reg by TempusFugitive	Sep 28th, 2005 10:31:13 AM
I guess I just don't understand the folks who go off on these types of "inconsistencies". They are so small, so minor, so .... nit-like. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of reasons to criticize the PT... the "romance" between Anakin and Padme made me literally cringe. (Yes, I mean literally... I actually physically cringed when I watched most of those scenes.) I just thought that the overall package still delivered enough that I could see past the crap and enjoy it. I won't ever call it a masterpiece, but I'll own the DVDs and admit to enjoying the movies.
Re: Mike Tee by welther47	Sep 28th, 2005 10:32:14 AM
Man, all I can say is I'm glad you've found something you love that much. But wow: "Serenity is a physical manifestation of God"? Damn.
by I like scotch	Sep 28th, 2005 10:38:12 AM
is it me or does picture 7 remind anybody else of showgirls?
EIII, in terms of continuity and relevance with the other 5 film by R.C. the "Wise"	Sep 28th, 2005 10:38:34 AM
film where you rewatch it and constantly go "What if they would've do this...or man they could've done that...or he should've been doing this for x amount of time..." It's just frustrating to view over and over...though I'll still borrow the DVD from time to time from my Dad. 2 minutes of Vader....that was utter bullshit. Hell, if you combine all the commericals that tide into the promotion/hype for the film, I'm sure Vader's screen time would surpass the time spent in Revenge of the Sith. Lucas just better not fuck up the Tuskegee Airmen film he has planned next or so help me...
Serenity is just by Falcon5768	Sep 28th, 2005 10:41:05 AM
a poorly executed Cowboy Bebop episode without the enjoyable characters like Spike and Jet and without the decent and fun storyline that knows when to take it's self seriously, and when to not. Its pretty sad when a Anime released 5 years ago tells a better story than the TV show that ripped it off.
Mike Tee by TempusFugitive	Sep 28th, 2005 10:41:58 AM
I apologize for thinking you were a garden-variety troll. "Serenity is a physical manifestation of God." ... bsolutely brilliant.
You needed Episodes 1 and 2... by MechaTruffautMk2	Sep 28th, 2005 10:45:21 AM
...in order to make the third film work. You have to love how so many science-fiction and fantasy fans want everything to be "dark" and "super serious". What does that even mean? Somehow that equals great cinema? Episode 1 sets up the Star Wars universe and the major characters, Episode 2 expands their world and their emotional context, and Episode 3 seals the deal. Makes sense to me. It's not terribly well-done, it's all pretty cheesy, there are bad special effects, horrible dialouge passages and lots of things don't make sense. No shit??? These are big-budget B movies. Accept them as they are. Sure, think about them if you want, ponder what they have to say or what they represent, but don't blame them for being something they're not. So Chewbacca gave out a Tarzan yell? Holy God, eliminate Lucas from this mortal coil at once! SW is basically a big, fat, well-produced adventure serial, and what was one of the most popular old serials? Tarzan! Maybe it's not an homage...maybe it's just something Lucas wanted to throw in there for the hell of it. Stop bitching about it. These are not serious films, or dark films (well, I can't explain Obi-Wan carving Anakin to pieces and leaving the fucker - apparently his busom brother - to die a horrible death of tortuous fire, but hey...). Not that simply by virtue of being "dark" or "serious" a film is made good. They were never intended to be anything more than fun, space opera thrills. Reading more into it is just going to disappoint you. If you're over the age of 18 and still looking for a great philisophical impact in a movie called ATTACK OF THE CLONES, let me introduce you to some friends of mine: Ingmar Bergman, Andrei Tarkovsky, Michelangelo Antonioni, Nagisa Oshima and Michael Powell. None of their films have laser blasters, though. Sucks, I know. I hate to sound like a douchebag, and I'm sure I probably do, but come on, fellas. If you really want to see something that doesn't have "Flat visuals. Flat story. Flat acting."...you do not see a fucking Star Wars film, for God's sake. What were you expecting? And Regicidal_Maniac, it's good to see that the Harry Knowles School of Movie Review Analogies is spitting out a good amount of graduates. Keep shooting for the stars!
I don't think my glasses... by Childe Roland	Sep 28th, 2005 10:46:08 AM
...are at all rose or shite colored, Jonse. I just like some of the Star Wars movies (Empire Strikes Back because it's a plain good film and Star Wars because of what it opened the door for, although it's hardly a good movie), am largely ambivalent about others (Return of the Jedi was a big disappointment but offered some decent moments, just like Revenge of the Sith, and Attack of the Clones was a definite step up from its immediate predecessor but not what it should have been) and despise another (The Phantom Menace is simply one of the worst movies of any kind that I've ever seen). Star Wars was a clunky, quirky yet innovative and fantastic (in the truest sense of that word, not necessarily good) film that revolutionized the way Hollywood looked at sci fi. It's earned its place as a must-see film despite the hackneyed dialogue and patchwork cribbing from numerous sources that Lucas did in piecing together the story. Empire was well written and well acted with astounding special effects for the time. Coincidentally, it's the film where Lucas was the most hands off. Jedi was essentially a toy commercial, as was Menace (although Menace didn't even bother to dumb down the boring-as-hell backstory for the kiddies...it made us suffer through every intricate political maneuver yet insisted on also indulging every innane detail of young Anakin's gee-whiz life, successfully alienating two audiences even before introducing Jar Jar and the Charlie CHan Trade Federation to offend the minority vote). Attack of the Clones is almost impossible to judge as a stand alone film because it is so clearly the middle chapter of something. What's odd to me is that, despite thinking Sith is probably a more complete movie, I think I would watch Clones again first simply because I thought Ewan did a good job making me care about his character and his motives in that movie. Sith was poorly written, poorly acted and really just poorly conceived as a third installment of a trilogy. They could've crammed the key elements of the first two prequels into one perhaps watchable film and spread the crucial story arc for Sith over two films and they MIGHT have gotten closer to nailing the significance of Vader's turn to the dark side. I say MIGHT because they still would have had to overcome Hayden's complete inability to emote and Portman's total inability to make it seem like she really cared about his character. And they still would have had to come up with a better reason for Vader to go over the deep end than "Well, I cut off Master Windu's hand, so I guess I might as well go and kill a bunch of kids...especially now that you've already revealed you're the evil Sith Lord, Palpatine, and that you really don't know how to prevent Padme's death after all." That was just plain stupid and unbelievable. Made Vader seem like a dumbass (actually, Hayden's performance helped in this regard, what with his need to constantly say exactly what his character was thinking or feeling because he couldn't demonstrate it any other way). Not even Ewan and Ian, who both gave fairly decent performances, could salvage this movie. In fact, the more I think about it, I'm changing my order of preference. Empire was a good movie. Star Wars had the virtue of being first and innovative. Clones is actually watchable. Jedi and Sith just make me angry and The Phantom Menace should never have been made. Does that view bother anyone out there who thinks that, to be a "true" Star Wars fan, you either have to love all three of the OT or the PT and despise the others? Good.
Trouble is though, R.C.... by Mr Jonse	Sep 28th, 2005 10:47:26 AM
Every geek in the world (in which I include myself) had a different version of Ep. III rattling round their head since the credits rolled on ROTJ. There was no way the film could meet the expectations of everyone. I for example never expected to see more than a couple of shots of Vader at the end so I wasn't disspointed by that. Also he couldn't possibly have maintained total continuity with the OT and still had a story that made sense. Suspend disbelief, dude. It's Star Wars...
Serenity? by ChinkyWilly	Sep 28th, 2005 10:51:17 AM
So Joss is the new Lucas, eh?
If no one cares about Star Wars MikeTee, why are you posting in by I Dunno	Sep 28th, 2005 10:51:22 AM
You might not like SW but saying no one cares about it anymore is asinine. BTW, I did see Serenity already, probably before a lot of people here and guess what? It was mediocre at best. I'm frankly surprised it made it to the big screen. But do you see me trolling every Firefly TB with my worthless opinion? No. So shut the fuck fuck up about SW. It's all been said, ad nauseum.
Who cares? by samuraisix	Sep 28th, 2005 10:51:33 AM

what, no Don Adams tribute? by StovetopStuffin'	Sep 28th, 2005 10:57:59 AM
where's the love for the late Don Adams?
Amen Stovetop by TempusFugitive	Sep 28th, 2005 11:01:08 AM
R.I.P. Agent 86
Alls I'm a sayin' Childe is... by Mr Jonse	Sep 28th, 2005 11:03:21 AM
The OT gets forgiven for a lot of stuff that the PT get pilloried for. In Jedi, Lucas had the money and the excuse to have a load of different aliens in it. That doesn't make it a toy commercial. If anything, the Ewoks highlight the 'little people overthrowing tyranny' thing loads better than Wookies would have. Your opinions are your own though dude and you don't have to like anything...
MechaTruffautMk2 by DocPazuzu	Sep 28th, 2005 11:05:14 AM
Settle down, Beavis. I mentioned the Tarzan yell (as well as other things) as an example of horrid cheesiness in the original films -- to emphasize the fact that said cheesiness isn't restricted to the prequels in any way. I love all the Star Wars films to varying degrees, and sometimes the B-movie cheesiness is a big part of that love.
Lightsabers and other probs in Return of the Jedi by thegreenvortex	Sep 28th, 2005 11:18:13 AM
I rank Return of the Jedi last of the six movies for all the obvious reasons: Ewoks, recycled 'destroy the death star' plot, no-balls Han, a villian that cannot move from his platform, and the terrible special edition changes. Mentioned less often but even more annoying to me are: all of a sudden, Harrison Ford's acting sucks ("Hey, point that thing someplace else!"); no fewer than four characters lecture Luke about his "destiny"; no logical explanation for how much time passed since ESB (long enough for Luke to acquire dark side powers like choking, long enough for Yoda to turn 900, long enough for Luke to build a lightsaber, long enough to rebuild the death star -- so I guess Lando's been infiltrating Jabba's Hut for the past couple years while Chewie's been doing...what? And Luke has been so busy with the rescue he hasn't had a chance to visit Yoda?) All Leia's money and they never tried to buy Han back before now? Good thing Lando is on the inside, he sure is critical to the escape plan. Han is so nice to have completely forgiven Lando an hour (from his point of view) after he turned him over to Vader. That Boba Fett sure was a badass fighter. Pretty nifty how Luke swung from the barge to the skiff while suspended from...nothing? Why didn't Luke drag dying Vader 10 more feet onto the shuttle before demasking him? In the time it took for the Ewoks to carry the boys to camp, Leia had time to change clothes and do her hair. Luke can lift C-3PO with the force, but he needs to throw a rock to flip a door switch? Isn't it amazing how Luke knew about the "center switch" on the enemy speeders that jams communications? But the kicker for me is the lightsaber BS. Why doesn't Luke's new saber damage any of those guys he whacks on the skiff? Not even a burn on their clothes. He might as well have been using a broom handle. How does Vader do a flip off his saber tip when the blade should instantly sink through the stairs? The final straw for me in ROTJ is when Vader is wheezing after he chucks the Emporer. All the nice work that went into his phony severed hand costume is wasted because Prowse is bending his wrist joint inside the sleeve and it is just jarringly obvious that he just has his hand pulled up into his sleeve. Couldn't you have fixed THAT in the special edition?
Perspective is the key... by mgg1025	Sep 28th, 2005 11:19:12 AM
The OT was all GREAT movies when we were 10 and watching them in the theater. There was NOTHING like them that had ever been made before. The effects were all new, the genre was getting back up to speed, so we were all enthralled. My 5 year old LOVES them just as much as I did. When viewed today however, if you don't totally open your mind and take it for what it is - A MOVIE -, all this nit-picky BS will eat you up. I personally like the prequels more than the OT. Each movie is really meant to be a chapter in a much larger piece. As a single story, it's awesome. To see this young boy become such a tragic hero, completely fall from grace and untlimately be redeemed by the unconditional love of his son is amazing. Are there continuity flaws - perhaps. I may be slightly less jaded as I have read all the SW EU novels with the exception of the last few NJO books. Say what you will, but the SW universe has so much appeal that it has made its creator rich beyond imagination, changed our culture, changed film-making forever, successfully spread across several different entertainment mediums (movies, TV, books, toys, video games, etc.). There is so much to enjoy that I can overlook minor errors, I can forgive omissions - I can just sit back and enjoy them. I saw ANH when I was 6 and ROTS when I was 34. In between I played with the action figures, played all the video games (arcade, console, PC), pretended to be Luke Skywalker, imagined piloting an X-wing and enjoyed the movies with my daughter. Still and all, I treat the movies for what they are - enteratinment. They're a fun and relaxing way to forget about the real world for a couple of hours...
Re: Why Luke remembers Dagobah by jbird669	Sep 28th, 2005 11:20:14 AM
Yoda took Vader's fear with him to shield him the Emperor and keep himself hidden. Since Vader's his pops, and he has the same fear, it feels familiar to him.
movies for kids by Noeland	Sep 28th, 2005 11:20:30 AM
Lucas has alwasy said he made these films for kids more than adults. Obviously he's not the film maker he once was. Beyond that, what kids movies were like in the 70's and 80's, and what kids movies are like now are vastly different. You could make kids flicks with some intensity and scary moments. These days if you have a flick for kids it has to be watered down or the parents groups will march on your front lawn, and boycott you. The prequels suffer from two problems the OT didn't have. 1. George Lucas is now a very content old man with nothing to prove. I believe this is what truly removed the "teeth" from these prequel films. 2. He has surrounded himself with yes men to a degree, and rumour has it he will fire a person with out hesitation or remorse if he doesn't like what they have to say. If this is true, and it sure seems like it must be true, no one is going to say "Hey George, maybe that line sucks and it shouldn't be in the film, huh?" Gary Kurtz was once the man with that job, and a driving force in why the OT had some grit. YEAH, I know everyone knows this shit but I'mhome with the flu and I feel like bitching!!!!! hahaha
Huhuhuhhheheheh by MechaTruffautMk2	Sep 28th, 2005 11:20:51 AM
...Doc, I wasn't singling you out. That's an argument against Return of the Jedi that I've heard a million times from a million Star Wars fans. I like the SW movies very much, and I think they're very enjoyable. But they don't stand up to analysis. Of course they don't. They aren't supposed to. B-movie cheesiness IS Star Wars. That's all it is. Fun, cool, and of course nostalgic for people like most of us who grew up with the movies. I'm 22 and know it from video, so I came in during the aftermath of it. I'm sure other people have a stronger attachment. But no matter how much nostaglia you can glean from the original movies to shine the new ones, nothing will change the fact that these (originals included) are science-fiction action films, pretty much for kids, and that we're zealously discussing the social, political, emotional and historical value of these things in precise, intimate detail while still purporting to be serious movie fans. There's some kind of a disconnect there.
NO? by DrWhat	Sep 28th, 2005 11:21:39 AM
As for the comparison of oct and anakin yelling "NO!!!!", ACTING had a lot to do with it.
thegreenvortex by DocPazuzu	Sep 28th, 2005 11:21:41 AM
You forgot the shadow(!) from Vader's lightsaber on the floor.
Before Lucas directed the prequels by Crimson Dynamo	Sep 28th, 2005 11:21:58 AM
He should have directed a couple of low-to-modest budget charater-driven films before trying his hand at the prequels. Instead, he just jumps feet first into the directors chair after decades away from it, and is shocked that his movies were duds.
Crimson - very true by Noeland	Sep 28th, 2005 11:28:53 AM
I could not agree more. That's the first thing I said when I walked out of Phantom Menace. I loved that I had just seen a new StarWars film, and was dizzy from all Darth Maul fight, but knew it was lacking good character work, and a seasoned director. :)
General Grevous was a horrible character (with a horrible name) by chickychow	Sep 28th, 2005 11:41:57 AM
Proved Lucas still didn't know what the fuck he was doing. I mean for him, Coughing was a character trait. What a waste of time this movie was.
I appreciate that tastes are subjective, Jonse... by Childe Roland	Sep 28th, 2005 11:43:56 AM
...and I think you'll find as many OT excuse makers as you will PT apologists. I really think Star Wars has only given us one truly good movie that has transcended the genre to become something that stands the test of time. Like Star Trek's Wrath of Khan, The Empire Strikes Back had great villains facing off against familiar heroes and everyone involved was pretty much at the top of their acting game. None of the other movies in the OT or the PT really even come close to that one in story quality or execution. Just because I feel that way about one movie that happens to have been made as part of the original trilogy and I actively despise one movie that happened to be made as part of the prequel trilogy doesn't mean my Star Wars fanhood should be in question. I love most of the characters in the mythos. I love the underlying themes that stretch throughout the whole story arc. I just think the majority of the films weren't anywhere near as good as the ideas behind them and that several of them outright sucked as movies (further evidence, I think, that Lucas should just executive produce shit and keep his hands off during the creative process). The thing that pisses me off most about Sith and Jedi, I think, is that they weren't THAT far away from being able to be decent (perhaps even good) movies. Just a few bad story decisions and a few really bad reads of dialogue made them turkeys. As a fan, it bugs me to see that happen.
tattoos... by drewATX	Sep 28th, 2005 11:46:01 AM
had a friend who has the symbols of the empire and rebel alliance on each forearm. He's now gotten them removed. What does that tell you? Also, are the Jedi's frogs? Then why the fuck are they jumping around all the time. I understand the force jump thing but it should have been done sparingly. Then, when Anakin does his first force jump it could have been a dramatic moment. Also, at of all these posts why does no one ever mention that Greivous sounds EXACTLY like Triumph the Insult Comic dog?
Crimson, Noeland -- on the money by filker-tom	Sep 28th, 2005 11:46:01 AM
Even with some of that dreadful dialogue, the prequel trilogy could have been made to work. Lucas' direction, not merely action and staging but most especially character acting, was SO bad, SO forced, SO cliched, that there was never a chance of it working. He made Samuel L. Jackson look bad. He made Ewan MacGregor look bad. HE MADE CHRISTOPHER LEE LOOK BAD. We KNOW these guys can act. We KNOW Portman can act. McDiarmid was the closest one to get out of there not looking like a complete ass, and, thanks to the Windu/window scene, he STILL looked like a complete ass. Lucas is not an actor's director, or an actor's writer, for that matter. That's why he needed Kazdan and Kirschner in the OT, and that's why the prequels fail.
if there such great actors... by drewATX	Sep 28th, 2005 11:49:45 AM
they wouldn't have needed that much direction in the 1st place!
Shaak-Ti Death by Gorrister	Sep 28th, 2005 11:51:45 AM
I could be mistaken, but I think (in the novel) Shaak-Ti was killed in the Jedi Temple by Anakin. Would have loved to see some Anakin vs Jedi action in the temple. Lucas really wimped out on that one by simply implying death.
Empire was the best... by tucson	Sep 28th, 2005 11:54:06 AM
...because the Imperial officer uniforms are hot. So there.
Serenity? by drewATX	Sep 28th, 2005 11:54:11 AM
NEWSFLASH: Buffy is NOT in this movie! It looks like a TV version of 5th element. Is there a blue opera singing alien in it? Then, im not interested.
what@%$#@%!!! by drewATX	Sep 28th, 2005 12:00:34 PM
meaning Buffy was good and Serenity will be bad? Is that what you mean by yin and yang? By the way, I respect all of you.
Star Wars Fanboys circa 2005 are... by IAmLegolas	Sep 28th, 2005 12:04:00 PM
... still plugged into The Matrix. Stop feeding the Lucas machine(s), coppertops, and free your mind already, geezus. *** Nice to see some have taken the Red Pill on this TB, welcome!!!
The 2 by Darth Maui	Sep 28th, 2005 12:04:05 PM
I hope some of this stuff gets inserted into the movie. And I laugh at the people here who feel they have to fight off some urge to buy the movie. Don't get it if you don't want it. You only make yourself look like a fool for complaining about it.
Lucas wishes by Purgatori	Sep 28th, 2005 12:06:30 PM
he had the talent of one of Joss's turds. Firefly had fans so loving of it that they got the movie made. I ask you, after the shit that Lucas fed us with the Prequel debacle do you think Star Wars fans would do half the work the Browncoats did to get another Star Wars movie made by him?
by jaycieboy	Sep 28th, 2005 12:11:44 PM
Face it , R.O.T.S. kicked ass thank you
yea o.k. by jaycieboy	Sep 28th, 2005 12:13:49 PM
go back to your room fanboy
A Jedi can see the past and the future by Orionsangels	Sep 28th, 2005 12:18:07 PM
Why is that so hard to understand? That's why Leia remembers her Mom. She's tapped into a memory that was locked in her head. Luke just didn't.
These look like the best SW DVD deleted scenes yet. They're by Orionsangels	Sep 28th, 2005 12:18:54 PM

Serenity sucks donkey balls by Jeditemple	Sep 28th, 2005 12:19:11 PM
And will flop. RotS rules.
It's been six years since the first prequel film came out an by Orionsangels	Sep 28th, 2005 12:21:58 PM
Hahaha all that complaining trying to convert us, haha nice try though. SW forever!!!
I like Serenity because battle star galactic fans hate it by Orionsangels	Sep 28th, 2005 12:23:41 PM
Serenity has better characters and they're cynical. Also Serenity is new concept and didn't reimagine an old TV series and ruin it.
Serenity = $10M opening weekend by la_sith	Sep 28th, 2005 12:24:38 PM
NO ONE CARES
A ROTS Talkback huh? by Hervoyel	Sep 28th, 2005 12:28:35 PM
"You will never find a more wretched hive of whiny fanboy virgins. We must be cautious..."
If you hated ROTS . . . by darthflagg	Sep 28th, 2005 12:33:08 PM
You're a wanker. Not trying to be insulting, just stating a simple fact. And not just becuase you hated the best Star Wars film since 1980. But you actually went to see a film you knew you would hate. If I hate the first two films in a trilogy, I don't go and see the third one! It's that simple.
That's a shame about Adam Baldwin by Darth Busey	Sep 28th, 2005 12:37:44 PM
I would've at least went up to say "I loved you in "My Bodyguard"!"
We don't need to see Yoda landing on Dagobah by performingmonkey	Sep 28th, 2005 12:42:23 PM
If you view these movies I-VI then it's pointless showing Yoda land on Dagobah because it takes some mystery out of ESB when Luke goes there. This is one reason why Lucas took it out. Another is that it sort of goes together with the Qui-Gon voice scene (which better fucking be on this set or I'm not buying it) 'cause this is why Yoda goes to a planet teeming with life, to learn about the living force. The Qui-Gon scene was cut from the movie because most people wouldn't remember who he is, especially if you only hear his voice. And the movie just needs to end at that stage. But if Lucas had any sense he would have put the scene in the digital version and so it'd be on the DVD. But he didn't, the cunt. Much of ROTS was shit. I only went to see it because it had so much potential, but there were so many BAD BAD BAD moments, some that were worse than in AOTC because AOTC didn't matter as much. This was the only one of the three that needed to own but it didn't. The Anakin/Palpatine/Mace change scene was terrible. Lucas raped his own story by turning Palpatine into a really stupid villain who we're meant to believe is the most powerful evil being ever.
"No no no no!!!" + "Gooooooooood" by Jeditemple	Sep 28th, 2005 12:55:26 PM
I agree that the Palpatine transformation was pretty bad and could have been a cool scene. Palpatine was too "over-the-top" during the fight and there was no reason for his voice to change so dramatically. He was trying to act too creepy and spooky and it didn't come across very well.
That was rather random... by Childe Roland	Sep 28th, 2005 01:02:37 PM
...monkeytennis? On a completely unrelated topic, Orionsangels: You should check out both Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star. Both of these anime series predated Firefly by about four years and Whedon rehashed quite a bit of stuff from them in that series (the Western in Space motiff, the girl in the box, etc.). At least Battlestar Galactica's producers had the decency to acquire the rights to the franchise they pilfered.
STFU Already! by NightArrows	Sep 28th, 2005 01:05:44 PM
Buffy sucks serious ass. Any man who would watch it and praise it's supposed glories is in reality a closet drag queen who longs to be Buffy in the flesh but is probably too fat to leave mom and pop's basement without the assistance of a crane, let alone fit into a Buffy costume to fight...snicker...Vampires. Face it, movies can't be all things to all people, if you don't like the Prequels then move on and SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY we are tired of your fucking moaning and complaints and hypocritical shit, because you all run out and buy the movies even though you moan and complain here you ham fisted fuckwits. Not one Star Wars fan gives even two shits of what you think you. The greatest thing you could do for us is to go watch Serenity, the most expensive made for TV movie ever, wrap a rope around your neck and beat off til you choke to death while wearing your Buffy PJ's. In closing I hope you all get Herpies whilst being raped by the biggest Charlatan of them all Joss (chicks name) Whedon!
Serenity by InZodWeTrust	Sep 28th, 2005 01:09:59 PM
Looks like a freaking TV movie. Plain awful. Notice how whedon hhasn't made ANY moves on Wonder Woman yet? It's because I am sure his deal is tentative. If Serenity fails (and it will), Whedon will get pulled from WW. As for everybody complaing about Greivous being a chicken shit and the coughing, he DID have a near-fatal encounter with Mace Windu in the clone Wars, where Windu force-crushed his chest, resulting in cutting his efficiency down. So there. Nyah nyah nyaaaaah.
Macho posturing makes you look far more gay or effeminate than l by TonyWilson	Sep 28th, 2005 01:11:08 PM
Not need to get so tetchy about any of it is there?
Poor Shaak Ti, man, that's not nice to see!!! :( by Lord_Soth	Sep 28th, 2005 01:18:42 PM

Yoda is an ugly baby by stvnhthr	Sep 28th, 2005 01:20:27 PM
Does anyone know if the Yoda-ugly baby scene from the book got filmed? It would wreck the somber tone of the third act, but it was funny in the book.
Serenity? Buffy? WTF? by Lord_Soth	Sep 28th, 2005 01:20:54 PM
F'n retard stuff, again, Whedon is a talentless hack!
Yeah because Shaak Ti is such a memorable character... by chickychow	Sep 28th, 2005 01:22:50 PM
Why were none of the Jedi's in these prequels the least bit interesting? When they were all getting slaughtered I was like, Aw there goes... uh, who the fuck is that? Why should I care? At least Mace Windu's death was pretty funny.
Merchandise and quality by Mafu	Sep 28th, 2005 01:29:27 PM
Good point, Dr. Touche. The Star Wars universe has out-merchanized all other movies ever made, including novels, toys, and comic books. Serenity could very well be a total flop, despite MikeToad's prediction that "Serenity has no bad characters, no bad scenes, no bad dialogue, no bad shots." This is a Star Wars talkback, so I'll leave that other movie opening Friday which I hope is good but could actually suck out of this discussion. I'm sure the ROTS DVD will sell very well in stores and online.
RC the Wise by Hobbs	Sep 28th, 2005 01:35:25 PM
I tend to agree with your comments, although, I don't think I was quite as disappointed as you were, there were a lot of "if only" moments in Ep III. It wasn't as if this was an awful movie IMHO, but there were certain circumstances we knew would come to pass (and they did) but from a storytelling point of view it wasn't done in a terribly creative manner. Visually, though, the film was impressive. Part of visual success was because we were finally seeing these events actualized on film and part of the success is due to Lucas' talent for creating great images. A good example of this was how Luke and Leia's guardianship was established. Visually, closing with the dual sunset shot on Tantooine was beautiful and incredibly moving in my opinion. But the fact that Yoda, Bail Organa, and Obi Won basically stood around and had a conversation that decided where the infants would go wasn't very creative. Overall, though, it was still a good movie, but not amazing - if only.
Shaak Ti by AniWan74	Sep 28th, 2005 01:41:49 PM
WOOOW!!!
People love to bitch... by T-Dog	Sep 28th, 2005 01:45:10 PM
This is a really long talkback for pictures of deleted scenes from a dvd release of a movie. Star Wars still attracts the flies doesnt it? Me? I love Star Wars because watching them makes me feel 7 years old again.
What?!? Star Wars isn't perfect?!? by kintar0	Sep 28th, 2005 01:48:21 PM
Since when does something have to be perfect in order for you to love it?
Star Wars: Episode III: You Guys Will Watch Anything by Capt. Spaulding	Sep 28th, 2005 01:49:20 PM
I once loved Star Wars, truly I did. I found redeeming qualities in the first two prequels (mostly because I wanted to). But, after seeing "Revenge of the Sith" I found myself in that position, you know, like when your girlfriend comes home with some other guys splooge on her for the fifth time. You think to yourself, "Why am I still here? Why am I defending what I know to be bad?" (I know that's a disgusting analogy, but it's all I could think of). George Lucas obviously doesn't give a flying fuck about his fans. Say what you will about "Lord of the Rings" or "Batman Begins" or even "Serenity," but at least those guys CARE about what they're doing. (No, I haven't seen "Serenity," I've only read a few interviews with the man. No, I never watched "Buffy")The prequels, well, see, under there was a good story, it just needed a rewrite and someone there (like, say, Gary Kurtz who produced A New Hope and Empire) to say, "No, George, that's a really bad idea." No, Liam Neeson won't be on the DVD. He and Lucas don't get along because Neeson wanted Lucas to actually (gasp) DIRECT. The only thing the prequels are good for is showing off who is truly a good actor (Christopher Lee and Liam Neeson), because only a truly good actor could come out of those movies looking half way intelligent. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to battle aliens on a faraway planet. (Oh, that sounds like a good movie.) Yes...movie.
Lucas proves his stupidity once again by Thirteen 13	Sep 28th, 2005 01:57:43 PM
by showing deleted scenes that should have been there in the first place. Good God Lucas did such a hideous awful job with these prequels that its no longer even sad. Its simply pathetic. And before you prequel apologists start whipping out the words "hater" or start making excuses about how the prequels are loved (which they are not) due to box office numbers, keep in mind they did so well because you prequel apologists paid full price to watch these things 25 times each. You may also wanna keep in mind that a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, that us so-called "haters" loved episodes 4 - 6. But this was back when Lucas didn't have complete creative control and had a lot of other talent working with him to reign in his Jar Jar childrens movie urges.
"You can't win, I have the high ground!" by soylentphil	Sep 28th, 2005 01:59:06 PM
When even Gilmore Girls makes fun of you, you know you phoned that shit in. Ep 3 was worse than any of them, because as you watched it dying on the vine in the theater, you knew the series had nowhere else to go.
Oh, good by Bryan	Sep 28th, 2005 02:00:00 PM
I was worried that with all the movies released, a hundred thousand bitter, petty people would be able to move on with their lives and find something else to rant about idiotically. It's good to see that the Era of Whining About Star Wars is still going strong. Also, remember that Clone Wars v. 2 doesn't come out until December, so that will be a good chance to go over all this same bullshit again.
darkhorizons.com? is it dead? Anybody have any news? by TodayzSpecial	Sep 28th, 2005 02:05:48 PM
Its been down for a really long time, but it seems like other news articles refer to it? Is there something I'm missing?
You said it, Bryan by I Dunno	Sep 28th, 2005 02:07:50 PM
Fucking wankers, the lot of you. Life is too short to bitch about a movie series you don't like for 6 fucking years. As for Serenity, all I'm going to bother saying about that is you guys are fucking delusional. But you're not going to see me in any Serenity TBs complaining about it, especially not 6 years from now if they keep making them like you losers who are still crying about Jar Jar.
performingmonkey by the M'hael	Sep 28th, 2005 02:09:36 PM
you think showing yoda going to degobah is telling too much and ruining some mystery? how about revealing the entire arc of the OT by showing us vader is luke's father, and that leia is his sister.
Shak-Ti's Death Would Have Made Greivous More... by BojTrek	Sep 28th, 2005 02:16:50 PM
If they actually showed Greivous killing Jedi, it would have made him a real villian... and given Obi-Wan a reason to hunt him down and stop him from killing more Jedi. I agree with someone above me... these prequels sucked and now that they are done... I say "thank god"... maybe George will die off and allow others to continue his story... Sequels should have been made, not prequels... we already knew this history... BORING!
Nice to see that the Lucas sycophants are still sucking ass by Right Bastard	Sep 28th, 2005 02:20:19 PM
and i love how they attack movies in other talkbacks for things that they overlook in the "new trilogy". And i love how they still take criticism of a film as a personal attack; as though they had anything to do with the movie...at all.
Revenge of the sith... by DuncanDisorderly	Sep 28th, 2005 02:27:41 PM

Don't take this the wrong way, BojTrek but you sound like an by I Dunno	Sep 28th, 2005 02:31:15 PM
Thank God SW is over...and yet you're posting in a SW TB. Are you a masochist or just bored?And the point of the story isn't the "surprises", what are you ten? The whole story was meant to be told in that order. If you thought the very idea of prequels was stupid then you shouldn't have let yourself be suckered in for all 3 films.
If you haters dislike the prequels so much why do you waste your by Forestal	Sep 28th, 2005 02:32:46 PM

Of course the B.O. numbers on the prequels are through the roof by IAmLegolas	Sep 28th, 2005 02:37:45 PM
It's because the same 15,000,000+ nerds are watching it 20 times each.
MikeTee do you have ANYTHING else to do? by chickychow	Sep 28th, 2005 02:38:10 PM
I mean dude go to some porn sites or something.
Um, MikeTee? by Ban This User	Sep 28th, 2005 02:41:16 PM
What the hell are you talking about? I have no opinion on Serenity because I haven't seen it yet (and I wish more of you fanboys would follow this example). But where are all these stellar reviews? I just checked rottentomatoes. There were a total of 9 reviews with an average score of 6.6 out of 10. Of the two "cream of the crop" reviews, one was positive and one was negative. That hardly sounds like a wave of critical support. I don't doubt that 99 percent of the Firefly fanboys who got into advanced crrenings loved it, but that's a lot like saying that 99 percent of diehard New England Patriot fans think Tom Brady is a better quarterback than Peyton Manning.
"advanced screenings", that is by Ban This User	Sep 28th, 2005 02:42:53 PM

DoucheBag by Purgatori	Sep 28th, 2005 02:49:39 PM
Let me explain something my dear. The fact that someone merchandised every thing he could to leech every last penny out of his fans because he knew there would be people dumb enough to buy Vader Toilet Paper doesn't mean it is better. It means he's a money grubbing loon with no fucking neck. Yes, we are still talking about the prequels...that's what we as fanboys and fangirls do. We talk sci-fi. The fact is, Serenity was made by some very talented people who give a shit about what they do. Another fact is Adam Baldwin, who you love to say is a no talent hack that no one at comicon was going up to (which is funny, since the Serenity panels were so packed that no one could get into them after only a few minutes of the room opening) at DragonCon raised over 11,000 dollars in autograph proceeds, that he gave to Kartina victims. I'd say that SOMEONE likes him. And I'm not dissing Episode 3, I'm calling it too little too late. Lucas wrote himself into a corner and had to rush EVERYTHING in that movie. It was still a great flick, but it could have been so much more.
Anakin on Dagobah... by Mattxx	Sep 28th, 2005 02:52:42 PM
It appears that a ship lands on Degobah. It looks like the ship that lands on Senator Organa's planet as well. Luke could have been on board the ship before it took off to Tatooine.(If it's the same ship) So he could have been there before. Well know in a month I guess.
oops... by Mattxx	Sep 28th, 2005 02:54:21 PM
Sorry subject was meant to say, Luke on Degobah. I've got learn how this English language system works.
Sorry, MikeTee by Ban This User	Sep 28th, 2005 02:54:38 PM
But 6.6 out of 10 is 6.6 out of 10 no matter what sentence rottentomatoes picks out. And you may well be right about the "real" reviews, but neither you nor I know that yet. The question remains: what are all these great reviews you're talking about? If there aren't any, then just STFU until the reviews come out.
No Offense Taken I Dunno by BojTrek	Sep 28th, 2005 03:02:45 PM
What I meant was that I was completely disappointed with the prequels. And I am happy the prequels are finished. And I will never believe that this was the order he meant to make these films. I believe he had possibly a back story, but it is no way what we saw. I believe in my heart Lucas knew that Vader was a child corrupted by evil and that is it. What we saw was complete crap in my opinion.
WTF? by Ban This User	Sep 28th, 2005 03:03:39 PM
I checked your link, and aside from a couple of quotations from Scottish newspapers, I didn't see any reviews at all. You are, officially, full of it.
Oh, I get it. by Ban This User	Sep 28th, 2005 03:05:20 PM
The reviews aren't that great, but the bad ones are wrong. I'm done with you.
MILLENNIUFALCON.COM - THESE IMAGES COME FROM THERE by []D[][]V[][]D	Sep 28th, 2005 03:14:11 PM
These screencaps come from MILLENNIUMFALCON.COM'S DarthFirst the same dude that got the Original Trilogy DVD stuff out
ROTJ haters? by loafroaster	Sep 28th, 2005 03:16:38 PM
HOW IN THE HELL can you say that ANY of the prequels are better than ROTJ? Jabba's Palace? The Rancor? Yoda/Vader's Death? The Luke/Vader/Emperor showdown? Lando and Nien Numb in the falcon? Chewie and the Ewoks in the AT-ST? Name ONE moment in any of the prequels that tops any of the above...
serenity maybe the greatest....it maybe the film to make everyon by slappy jones	Sep 28th, 2005 03:23:47 PM
...but only about 10 people are going to see it this weekend so we will never know.
High ground... by ZeroCorpse	Sep 28th, 2005 03:24:32 PM
It DOES matter in swordplay, especially when the opponent has to jump from a floating platform, over your head, and onto ground that you are defending from a foot or more above his position. You are DEFENSELESS against such a defensive stance, and anyone who tries to rush a blade-weilding opponent in such a defensible position is going to get hit. If they were going up a hill or stairs, that would be different, but they were paused- Obi-Wan was in a defensive posture and Anakin had to traverse a distance OVER Obi-Wan to be able to strike effectively. Even if Anakin could block a blow in mid-air, he'd still be wide open on his landing. PLUS we have to remember that Anakin was overconfident and careless. This IS basic swordmanship. I'm trained in fencing, both Olympic-Style (no higher ground possible) and freestyle, and one thing any swordsman learns is that you don't rush an opponent in a defensive stance when they are a foot or more higher than you. You WILL lose, unless they really screw up. Think of it this way: You're on top of a mountain, and people are running up the mountain to get you. You have a baseball bat. Is anybody going to get anywhere near you if you're ready for ther attack, or are you going to swing at them when they can't possibly reach you?
what I wanna see on the ep.3 dvd... by jig98	Sep 28th, 2005 03:31:06 PM
WHEN ANAKIN GETS BURNED ALIVE..obi wan: i wont help you, anakin. anakin: THE ISLAND WILL FLOP! ROBOTS SUCKED ASS! [obi-wan turns away} palpatine: bring a medical capsule...and some marshmellows. i cant wait till burger king does the additional 17 toys on nov.7!
To be fair the UK press is loving Serenity by TonyWilson	Sep 28th, 2005 03:32:12 PM
Great reviews in Total Film, Empire and Film Review plus positive noise from Premiere and SFX. The Broadsheets (redundadnt term now though) are also saying some very good things about it.
Voice of reason by Mafu	Sep 28th, 2005 03:33:03 PM
For fans of Star Wars and/or Serenity, let me just say that MikeTroll/Tonay/Tonay2 is a creepy narcissist who presents his fatuous, half-baked opinions as fact. Seriously, I think MikeTroll is a 14-year-old kid who killed his parents with kitchen knives and is now sitting in a padded cell hunched over his laptop. He has crazy delusions of grandeur regarding Whedon, delusions he can't support with facts, so he keeps trolling and trolling because even the guards outside his door stopped paying attention to him weeks ago. You needn't ignore him, since this IS a talkback, but just don't take anything he writes seriously. Thank you.
http://www.leesmovieinfo.net/Rev iewVisitors.php?pop=1&y=2005 by Cameron1	Sep 28th, 2005 03:42:37 PM
Yet it's in the top 5 most popular on that site.
I'm counting the days until SERENITY and I love FIREFLY and by IAmLegolas	Sep 28th, 2005 03:43:34 PM
... can we please kick that sh*t out of here? This thread is for bashing/defending SW movies. And occasionally ripping/defending Lucas. Thank you.
Dark Horizons by KID AB	Sep 28th, 2005 03:44:12 PM
I can't access Dark Horizons either. Shame really as they apparently had a good Claire Danes interview on it. Any one going to say what's happened to it?
Oh I'm sorry, your name is Touche by Purgatori	Sep 28th, 2005 03:47:23 PM
not Douche...my bad. Yeah, really bad reviews on that site, since it's rated B+. Bored now.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA by TonyWilson	Sep 28th, 2005 03:53:02 PM
Touche the Douche got buuusted!!!
DROOLING FOR SERENITY by Hate_Speech	Sep 28th, 2005 03:53:42 PM
yep, I am. It's gonna rock and be #1 - Joss rules.
Darth Vader Is Gay by IAmLegolas	Sep 28th, 2005 03:57:25 PM
Here's proof: http://www.awildorchid.com/fre d09.jpg
Great by BannedOnTheRun	Sep 28th, 2005 04:02:29 PM
Not counting the TV spots, I've now seen 11 whole frames of Episode III.
ROTJ by WONKABAR	Sep 28th, 2005 04:07:04 PM
http://www.filmthreat.com/Feat ures.asp?Id=172 Search your feelings, you know it to be true
Justwished they'd show more of the Space Battle by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Sep 28th, 2005 04:15:51 PM
The action on the ship probably has too much going on when everything is put back in, whereas I'm still kicking every wall I see in anger taht with a huge massive epic space battle going on in hte beginning, they couldn't dedicate more than 5 minutes to it and made it a big fuck action piece that we've been waiting 2 decades for. A couple of Clone ships getting destroyed and Buzz droids, but no epic dogfights for the 2 jedis. WHAT - A - MISSED - OPPORTUNITY.
Just wished they'd show more of the Space Battle by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Sep 28th, 2005 04:16:09 PM
The action on the ship probably has too much going on when everything is put back in, whereas I'm still kicking every wall I see in anger taht with a huge massive epic space battle going on in hte beginning, they couldn't dedicate more than 5 minutes to it and made it a big fuck action piece that we've been waiting 2 decades for. A couple of Clone ships getting destroyed and Buzz droids, but no epic dogfights for the 2 jedis. WHAT - A - MISSED - OPPORTUNITY.
Just wished they'd show more of the Space Battle by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Sep 28th, 2005 04:17:20 PM
The action on the ship probably has too much going on when everything is put back in, whereas I'm still kicking every wall I see in anger taht with a huge massive epic space battle going on in hte beginning, they couldn't dedicate more than 5 minutes to it and made it a big fuck action piece that we've been waiting 2 decades for. A couple of Clone ships getting destroyed and Buzz droids, but no epic dogfights for the 2 jedis. WHAT - A - MISSED - OPPORTUNITY.
IF THE PREQUALS SUCK I BLAME THE FANS... by coldreboot	Sep 28th, 2005 04:18:22 PM
Seriously, it's only because you all want the origin story of Han Solo's left shoe that we are in this mess. Why do fanbois always want something explained to them down to the last detail? Oh that's right, because if they don't we get crap like 'Who is Syfo-Dyas?' or 'Sidious is Palpatine's Clone!'. I'm glad these are deleted scenes. Hell, there should have been more of them. How was A New Hope originally realised? It was a pile of shite. Then a quick run through the editing suite, and blamo! A masterpiece. He needs to do the same with the prequals. There are great Star Wars films in there somewhere. The Phantom Edit proved that.
Just wished they'd show more of the Space Battle by Cpt Kirks 2pay	Sep 28th, 2005 04:20:15 PM
The action on the ship probably has too much going on when everything is put back in, whereas I'm still kicking every wall I see in anger that with a huge massive epic space battle going on in the beginning, they couldn't dedicate more than 5 minutes to it and made it a big fuck action piece that we've been waiting 2 decades for. A couple of Clone ships getting destroyed and Buzz droids, but no epic dogfights for the 2 jedis. WHAT - A - MISSED - OPPORTUNITY.
IF THE PREQUALS SUCK ITS THE FANS' FAULT by coldreboot	Sep 28th, 2005 04:20:22 PM
Seriously, it's only because you all want the origin story of Han Solo's left shoe that we are in this mess. Why do fanbois always want something explained to them down to the last detail? Oh that's right, because if they don't we get crap like 'Who is Syfo-Dyas?' or 'Sidious is Palpatine's Clone!'. I'm glad these are deleted scenes. Hell, there should have been more of them. How was A New Hope originally realised? It was a pile of shite. Then a quick run through the editing suite, and blamo! A masterpiece. He needs to do the same with the prequals. There are great Star Wars films in there somewhere. The Phantom Edit proved that.
What's with this "portal to the phantom zone" shite? by FusionAddict	Sep 28th, 2005 04:22:38 PM
And who the hell is "Bizarro Doc"?
Trekkies are fun to bludgeon... by tango fett	Sep 28th, 2005 04:30:32 PM
I am a fan of all of the Star Wars movies, and even though your criticisms are valid (horrible acting and dialogue, mainly in AOTC), I still watch them consistantly. Maybe the younger you are the more enjoyable they become of something, and since I'm well into my teenage years, Episode III was still appealing (one reason obviously is well, it was Star Wars, how could I not like it?) because it actually did get pretty fucking dark as far as SW movies go. But that aside, I thought it was incredible, and it is the second best movie I've seen this year (Batman Begins being the first because even though I'm a SW nerd, I got into Batman first). I feel like I should defend ROTJ, because I've always liked it, even the ewoks, but whoever said the Final Duel at the end was the best was because there was urgency in it, kind of like the storming of the black gate in ROTK, it's just like "Oh fuck, this is pivotal" ya know? Duel of the Fates wasn't quite that, the saber battles in AOTC were pretty lame mostly, but the Battle of the Heroes got really damn close to it, not an easy task. Ultimately, this is my order: 1.ESB, 2.ROTS, 3.ROTJ, 4.SW (or ANH, whatever), 5.TPM, 6.AOTC. These pics are great (except for the one where they are in the water, looks like fucking Sky Captain or somethin, very fake and poopy. Out.
What about the scene... by xXRedflyXx	Sep 28th, 2005 04:39:37 PM
When Yoda gets to Dagobah and Frank Oz puts his hand up his ass? I think that would be a good tie in to Empire.
Well, I liked it and frankly I don't care what others think by Gabba-UK	Sep 28th, 2005 04:51:08 PM
The prequels weren't as good as the original but then again I did see them when I was 7, 10 and 13, as opposed to 27, 30 and 33. That might have more to do with it than anything else. Peace.
There are three moments in the whole of ROTS that don't work by togmeister	Sep 28th, 2005 04:51:25 PM
One is obvious. The other two are the 'No it's because i'm so in love with YOU' moment and Palpatine's gurning after Mace gets chucked out of the window. That amounts to about 30 seconds out of a near 2 and a half hour movie. If that ruined the movie for you then i'm sorry for you. The rest of us lapped up the best Star Wars film since 1980. What about the Order 66 sequence and the music John Williams wrote for that scene? What about the AWESOME scene in the theater when Palpatine gives Ani the history of the Sith and convinces us, let alone him, that the Jedi are the wrong'uns and the whole galaxy would be better off if the Sith were in charge. What about the amazing opening shot, the most arresting, bombarding start to any movie since Saving Private Ryan? What about some of the best modelwork ever committed to film (the freighter crash, the Grievous chase, the pans across Coruscant)? What about 'It's treason, then.'? What about Yoda dropping his stick and nearly collapsing when he realises the Jedi are going down all over the galaxy? What about Obi-Wan's deadpan 'So uncivilized' as he tosses away the blaster after capping Grievous? What about Palpatine's 'DO IT' as Anakin holds two lightsabers to Dooku's throat? What about the 'frozen in time' moment just before Mace goes to arrest Palpatine, and Anakin and Padme think about each other and the music seems to be channelling The Passion of the Christ? What about the great low-angle shot as Mace and the posse go into Palpatine's office to arrest him. (We finally get the point that Lucas has always made, that the Jedi aren't so much a religion as marshals in the Old West) What about Tion Medon, the coolest-looking alien in the prequels (no rubber masks here), and the way he leans in close and whispers 'He's HERE' to Obi-Wan? What about Anakin bursting into flames and STILL defiant - 'I HATE YOU!'.? What about Yoda taking out those guards just by shrugging his shoulders? What about the double sunset on Tattooine? What about the venom Mcgregor gets into 'Let her go' just before his confrontation with Anakin? What about the scene on the veranda ('Anakin is the father isn't he? Then i'm terribly sorry')? What about the lovely irony that Anakin's desire to stop his wife dying in childbirth leads directly to the circumstances in which that is exactly what happens (or were you just not sharp enough to notice?) What about the close-up of the necklace at Padme's funeral? So NONE of these moments got your Star Wars juices flowing at all? Too bad for you, great for the rest of us as we get one more movie to enjoy.
great by Fortunesfool	Sep 28th, 2005 04:58:12 PM
More pointless stupid rubbish to bloat out a pretty pointless bloated rubbish movie. I'm sure these scenes are just what was missing from the theatrical version to make it the great star wars movie it should have been. Possibly re-writing and re-shooting it with a talented writer director would be more beneficial.
What's with all this SW - Serenity comparison? by Right Bastard	Sep 28th, 2005 04:59:29 PM
1) I love Firefly, but Serenity will not out-box Star Wars. Even more so on a "big geek" weekend with Mirror Mask and Cronenberg also opening. 2) These are entirely differend genre. Serenity is a sci-fi/Western and Star Wars is a Fantasy. It's like comparing Aliens to Excalber. 3) Who care what wins at the box office? You'd have to be an idiot to think it means anything. There is no correlation between box office and quality. Most good and challenging films (resevoir dogs, requium for a dream, full metal jacket) never had high box office reports. Arguing that something will "do better" or "do worse" a terrible and pointless argument to make. Who cares how is does? What I want to know is: is it any good?
You can't be a little kid again by Clarence Worely	Sep 28th, 2005 05:01:25 PM
I am sorry for all of you who wish Star Wars movies recaptured your imagination like they did when you were a little kid and saw them first. You are not a little kid anymore. The wonder is gone. You have grown into jaded, cynical adults. You may still be incredibly immature, but you are a kid no more. See, when you were a little kid, you were still filled with wonder and silly fantasy movies (Star Wars is most definitely Fantasy and not Science Fiction) with great FX took you to on a wonderful ride fueled by imagination and suspension of disbelief. Now, you can
better marketing by Guy Gaduois	Sep 28th, 2005 05:06:03 PM
there has never been better marketing than Lucas'. He took one good idea, stretched it into about 2.5 movies worth of non-suckery and pillaged my wallet with sh*t product for the other 3.5 movies worth of time and energy. I think LESS (ahem) "acting" by H.Christiansen would have been better. The dialogue was intentionally campy in epIV, and serious in V, back to semi swashbuckling camp in the first third of VI and everything else has been overwrought, self important bad crap since. There's so much wrong with what that dude did with some cool characters and a really great (and derivative) idea . . . There is no doubt that as sure as gravity is, nobody is ever going to make more than one sequel to a great movie that can even candle-hold. You've got a very respectable collection of part II movies in many genres, but just like television shows turn to diarrhea after year 4 (often sooner), movies? Two at best. I also think it's important to note that Darth Vader ain't near the badass GL wanted us all to believe 'cause he never beat Obi Wan. Greatest Jedi Ever - and why they f'ed with that, making him seem like a nervous nellie in II, I will never understand. George Lucas is an Ewok Turd.
RE: You can't be a little kid again by Right Bastard	Sep 28th, 2005 05:08:34 PM
Still making that argument? The first trilogy appealed to ALL AGES, not just 5-12 year old intellect. The dialogue in the real trilogy was quick, snappy, and relatively well written in comparison. I'd go to Tochi station for a power converter and drop zen philosophy with yoda any day over having a wizard talk about midichlorians. I'd rather watch Han get Leah by being a dick than watch Anakin whine stalker obsessive over Padme.
Already saw Serenity... by PurityOfEssence	Sep 28th, 2005 05:10:00 PM
Fun movie saw it in may, I don't know how well it will do. Doesn't seem to have a very good ad campaign. Hope it does do well though. As far as Star Wars versus Serenity... why waste your time bickering. I still don't know how Serenity managed not to seem completley cheesy though... not an insult, but much of the dialogue seems like it should be flat out cheese but works - without being cheesy. Stream of conciousness... never mind.
Already saw Serenity... by PurityOfEssence	Sep 28th, 2005 05:10:00 PM
Fun movie saw it in may, I don't know how well it will do. Doesn't seem to have a very good ad campaign. Hope it does do well though. As far as Star Wars versus Serenity... why waste your time bickering. I still don't know how Serenity managed not to seem completley cheesy though... not an insult, but much of the dialogue seems like it should be flat out chee

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